Episode 211

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25th Mar 2026

BSG Razor Webisodes - Spooky Goo

Laura and Xhafer commiserate on turning 40. This episode covers the Battlestar Galactica: Razor Flashback webisodes.

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Xhafer:

hello, listener, you're listening to, who Are You?

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This is a Battlestar G Acta watch

cast that's reasonably well done,

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hosted by two former strangers now

friends who've decided to dramatically

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pivot this show in hopes of filling

the void that NPR is leaving.

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I'm Jair

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Laura: And I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: and we're gonna be talking

about the Razor episodes today.

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Laura: tell me Jair,

what is a web episode?

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Xhafer: Well, the episodes were create.

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Okay, we can drop the bit.

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Um,

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Laura: gonna do this?

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Xhafer: we hit a minute.

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I'm good.

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And I know that some of that is my bad

first take where I said Babylon five.

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So, no, we,

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Laura: I was just gonna make a new decade.

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Who this joke.

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But you we're, you went

for like the smooth jazz.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Our first time recording

since your birthday.

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Happy birthday.

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Laura: Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Xhafer: Big four.

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Oh,

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Laura: Big milestone.

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Yeah.

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Everyone was very nice to me.

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That's my favorite part.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: was very nice to

me on my birthday too.

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We're, we're both 40 now.

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That's fun.

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Did we talk about it?

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We recorded like two days after my

birthday, but we were at the cabin.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I think we probably

talked about it, right?

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Like

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Xhafer: I assume we talked about it.

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I don't

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Laura: I, I assume that after you

turned 40, at some point someone

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asked you the, like, how does it feel?

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Question.

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I got that a couple of times.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: my dad would call me and say

that to me on my birthday every year,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: would always

respond, not any different.

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And he says, and that's

how it's always gonna be.

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And that was like the, the, like that

was our uh, what do you hear, bill?

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You

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: but the rain.

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That was our little thing, so,

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Laura: That's very cute.

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Yeah.

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I got, I got that question and I was like,

you know, it's a lot like my thirties,

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but everything hurts a little more.

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Xhafer: Oh my uh, last week I

randomly got a cramp in a foot

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that just lasted for two days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: Shit like that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: like that, just like, just

casual pain in my foot for no reason.

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Just completely undiscernible didn't

hurt, it, didn't, wasn't doing

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anything in particular, just stood up.

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It hurt and it didn't

stop hurting for two days.

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Laura: Yep.

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Yep.

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That's your forties.

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But also, apparently life

begins now, so that's

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Xhafer: Yeah, I've heard that.

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Um, I don't believe that,

but I've heard that.

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Laura: Probably depends

on how we define life.

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Right?

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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Laura: Just like everything.

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How do we measure it?

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Well, we haven't talked for a minute.

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Xhafer: Yeah, no, we haven't recorded

for almost a month, which is crazy

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'cause we record, well we recorded

like, God, like, what was it, seven

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or eight episodes in like two weeks.

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: We really sprinted

there for a minute.

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so this is our first time

back in a couple of weeks.

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But we're still, this is, it's, I

mean, it's February for US listener.

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You'll be hearing this in

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Laura: Well into

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Xhafer: of March.

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This is, I think this is, this is

the one right before, yeah, this

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is the last episode in March.

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Laura: In the, one of the last

episodes I listened to that came

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out, we made the joke about, like,

sorry about all our dated references.

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And, um, when I got up this morning,

I was like, oh, we got some dated

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references we could make today.

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Xhafer: Oh yeah.

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We, uh, we totally bombed the

shit out of Iran again today.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Great news.

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Last year when we bombed

Durran, we completely destroyed

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their nuclear capabilities.

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So we had to go and bomb Iran

again to completely destroy

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the nuclear capabilities today.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Right.

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That's,

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Laura: Something like that.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I'm I'm just a little tired.

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That's all.

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Just a little tired.

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Xhafer: It's

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Laura: of this has happened

before and will happen again.

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Xhafer: oh, you're

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Laura: yeah.

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So what I'm getting at is I've had a

lot of time to think about the ending

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of season three, and I thought we

might wanna talk about some stuff.

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Xhafer: Let's, I uh, I, I

threw a message in the discord.

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Maybe 40 minutes ago to be all

like, hey, super last minute.

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But, um, no one's responded yet.

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Laura: Oh damn.

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Xhafer: 11:00 PM on a Saturday.

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What are you doing?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Really?

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Xhafer: I'm kidding.

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I love you all.

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Uh, So, if anyone jumps in with

something there, I might add, but right

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now we're left to our own devices.

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Laura: Okay.

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Well I was just like stream of conscious

writing down some things in my notebook.

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Looks like about 20 days ago now,

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: after that, like in the days

after I watched the season finale

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: and I was kind of, you know,

I was thinking a lot about these

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four silents and possible fifth,

because I feel like the show really

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wants me to think it's Starbuck.

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That's number five.

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Xhafer: They lean into that quite a bit.

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Yeah.

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Laura: leaning into it, especially when

we get just even into the Razor movie.

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I feel like they were leaning into it.

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which makes me think that it can't

be that I'm just so contrarian.

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But I, I'm very interested

in these other four for now.

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Like, you could actually probably

not give Laura number five for a

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while now, because you've got me

so intrigued with these last four.

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Xhafer: I don't remember when it happens.

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Laura: it feels like it's gotta be like

in the back half of the season, right?

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Xhafer: I don't think it's, I think

you get it before the Midseason,

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Laura: okay.

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All

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Xhafer: but I'm not a hundred percent.

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I don't remember.

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And I remember what the Midseason finale

is and I know I remember the two big story

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arcs we, 'cause we've kind of got a big

story arc in the first half of the season.

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We've got a big story arc in

the second half of the season.

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I remember what those are.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: But

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Laura: Where, where reveals

happen is like fuzzy.

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Xhafer: where, well, specifically

where that reveal happens because

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it's important for the second

half of the season storyline.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: But I don't remember it being

that important in the first half.

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I don't know if it

happens in the first half.

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I don't think it happens at the

beginning of the first half.

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At the very least.

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I don't, I don't know.

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It's been a minute.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I could see it being like.

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Near the back half.

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And I think at this point,

like I'm fine with that.

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Especially if you're gonna have a super

secret thirteenths reveal, then you can,

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you can blow that one a little earlier,

like before the break, and then you

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can do the other one at the very end.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: You know, I'm still

clinging onto that idea.

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Xhafer: You're gonna be so disappointed.

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Laura: Uhhuh Uhhuh.

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That seems a little

spoilery for you to say.

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Xhafer: well, it's, I'm notably not

saying whether or not it happens.

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I'm just saying that you're

gonna be disappointed.

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Laura: Interesting.

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That

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Xhafer: it happens and it's bad.

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Maybe it doesn't happen at all.

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Like,

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Laura: Well that seems like, you

know, we talked about the, at

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the very beginning that this show

had some post lost backlash, so

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: yeah, that could be.

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A bad reveal.

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Xhafer: I mean, I will say I

won't say why, but I will say most

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people's problems with the finale.

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With the last 10 to 15 minutes of it,

depending on when those problems start.

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Some people, some people's problems

with the finale don't start till

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the last minute of the show.

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Laura: Wow, that's wild.

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Okay.

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I am interested.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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And to be clear I actually

have no problem from where I'm

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sitting right now with any of it.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: What I remember from the

finale, there's like two big things

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people get upset about from the finale.

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And I am currently super

good with both of them.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I won't say what I'm

talking about for obvious reasons

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but uh, we could talk about it

over in Spoiler Town if you'd like.

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Listener.

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You're gonna have to remind me

that I said that because it's been

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a month for me, but I did say it.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, I'm wondering like about

our asylum, specifically our four.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: It's like I, if I'm operating

from the place that Starbuck is not

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asylum and also interested in is

Starbuck thinking She's a silent now?

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That would be wild.

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But Anders is gonna have a lot to

think about with her being back and

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: her whole trauma with Leo,

Ben, and now like Oopsie doodle.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean like I think

it'd be kind of racist of her to

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pin Lee open's bullshit on him.

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Laura: True.

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True,

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Xhafer: That doesn't

mean that she won't but

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Laura: right?

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Xhafer: and be kind shitty.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But we've seen Starbucks be

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Xhafer: Kara.

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Yeah.

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Laura: But I think that the Jimbo thing to

do would, to be honest with her, like at

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the first chance you get if you're gonna

be Jimbo, that's how you gotta do it.

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I don't know that he's gonna do that.

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Xhafer: I gotta imagine

that would be tough.

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I also don't think you can really say,

I don't think any of them get the chance

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to say anything until Ty tells Adama.

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Right.

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I think of like all of the, you

have to reveal your asylums stuff.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: if they choose to obviously, you

know, but like looking at the emotional

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weight of all of the characters and

where they are now and all of their

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relationships, I don't think you can

be part of that core group and not

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be the first person to say something

if you're Ty talking to Adama.

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Laura: Right.

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And that is my next thing is

that I think that SA tie should

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absolutely go tell Adama right away.

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I mean, obviously when we left this crew,

they're in the middle of a firefight.

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I understand if that's not the time,

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: but I feel like SA

Tai needs to go tell Adama.

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ASAP,

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: and I don't know

that he's gonna do that.

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Xhafer: he's still still salt

high, like he kind of alludes to

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still being Saul, but we get like.

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Five minutes tops with these characters.

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Not even after they realize, you know,

it's like they realize and you know, they

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say it's like, oh, it's like a switch.

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They instantly know a

bunch of stuff, right?

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They allude to like, oh wait, this,

oh wait, this kind of a thing.

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Like, um, so there's all of that,

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Laura: Yeah.

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But we do get from Saul, like for 40

years I've known him or something.

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Like he, he kind of is like, I

can't believe it's been this long.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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They've known each other a long time.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: 30 some years they've been

friends, which is a crazy timeline, but

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is it as crazy as we thought it was?

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Given these razor web episodes,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: does this feed in knowing that

some of this stuff happens when it does?

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Laura: Yeah, because, okay.

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We, we know Razor Webi episodes,

obviously Young Adama, but it seems

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like this is around the time he

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Xhafer: I have a, I have a proposal

there, by the way, a docent,

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Adama

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Xhafer: only have to

use it for this episode.

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Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, we can reprise it in

the next one a little bit.

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Xhafer: a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So like, if they met each other around

this time, like, it's been a minute.

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But I, I'd still, I stand by, I think I

said this at the end of the last episode.

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I think Tori is gonna break bad.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I am not sure the

others are gonna break bad.

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I feel like if Ty does not go tell Adama

what happens is that he's gonna make a big

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mistake and fuck shit up really bad, and

he's gonna have to do like the redemptive

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act where he dies in the process.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: That could still happen, even

if he does tell Adama to be honest.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: something that he

thinks is gonna be good.

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It turns out not to be good.

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It's a big fuck up.

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He's gotta fix it and sacrifice himself.

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But as far as like tear roll goes,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I do not picture Callie

being understanding at all.

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Xhafer: Like.

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For as,

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Laura: wanna say something.

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Xhafer: for as bad as Starbuck

could take it, if there's

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anyone who could take it worse.

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And to be fair, Starbuck is

justified given her experiences.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Callie's just racist.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, Kelly has bad

stuff happened to her.

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It's not like Kelly has an easy life.

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Um, you know, it's still, Kelly

still survives a genocide and

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everyone she knows is dead.

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Uh, You know, like there's still stuff,

but the level of like personal interaction

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that Starbucks has with, with Lee Obin

and like how the torture and that abuse

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: and specific it is, is not

something Cali has experienced.

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Laura: Right.

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But she will immediately take it that way.

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Xhafer: yes.

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Laura: Even though what they actually

had, what Tyrel was experiencing

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was like a loving relationship.

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She's going to realize, she's going to

believe that it was all manipulation.

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Xhafer: Oh, a hundred

percent right from the start.

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No

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Laura: gonna be a problem.

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I was like, man, could

she turn on her own child?

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Would she be like so horrified by

this, that she is disgusted by Nikki?

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I don't know.

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Xhafer: I said

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Maybe.

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Laura: and then I wondered,

should Tyre go talk to Athena?

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Xhafer: I mean that's like a really built

in kind of relationship thing there.

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Like it's not the same as Boomer,

but they definitely have a good

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relationship because of that.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: It feels like they do at least.

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Laura: No one's gonna understand it.

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Quite like Athena's gonna understand.

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Xhafer: Ain't that the truth?

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Laura: but also it could be problematic.

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'cause like again, Callie hates Athena.

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If he even like, she doesn't

hate Athena, but she feels like

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Athena's maybe one of the good ones.

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You know that phrase one of the good ones.

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Xhafer: remember that the Cylons have

proven to us that their Final Five blind,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: so telling Athena not only is

like for Tyrell, but also for Athena, and

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we don't know what's gonna happen there.

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Laura: Yeah.

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What would Athena do when she knows.

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Xhafer: well, we have one silent

experience on the record of a, some of

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finding out who the final five are, and

it's immediately hemorrhaging and dying.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: So

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Laura: I could be just

finding out that last one.

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It could have nothing to

do with the other four.

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Xhafer: Speaking of that scene now

that you know, four of the five,

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Laura: Uhhuh,

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Xhafer: knowing that Zena Warrior Princess

apologizes to one very specifically,

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does that influence, do you feel that's

one of these four, or do you think

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link, that's a hint for the fifth.

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Laura: I think it's a hint for the fifth

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: because the only one I could see

her apologizing to would be Saul, because

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I don't think she's really interacted.

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Xhafer: Well, she hasn't really

interacted with any of the human

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characters outside of Gais.

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Laura: and I'm just remembering

back to the episode where she

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was introduced, where we did like

the day in the life stuff and.

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Could have seen, I can't put my finger

on it, but I could have seen her saying

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something like, shitty to SA tie or,

or painting him in a shitty light.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: And

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Xhafer: messing around with the

pilots, but that was before Anders was

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Laura: Anders was not on.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And I just, Tori was

not go in concern either yet.

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I don't think Billy was gone

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Xhafer: No, Billy wasn't dead yet.

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We didn't have Tory,

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Laura: And then Tyrell, I don't know

that she interacted with him at all.

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I just, I feel like it's

gotta be a hint for the fifth.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And I feel like the only person

she could be apologizing to

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would be Adama or Rosalyn.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I just, I just do, I, if

I had time to go back and rewatch

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some of her episodes, maybe I'd

get a different idea, but just,

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Xhafer: Save it for when we're done.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: If you want to go back and watch

stuff, save it for when we're done.

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But also I would recommend

just listening to our podcast.

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Laura: That's true.

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That's true.

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so I also was wondering was like

these Final Five, are they more

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sophisticated than the other models?

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Like

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Xhafer: They're different Somehow

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it

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Laura: different somehow.

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Is there only one of each of them?

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Like they don't actually have duplicates?

425

:

Xhafer: maybe.

426

:

Laura: Um, are they less sophisticated?

427

:

Because like if Saul Tie really

has been around this long as

428

:

a model, like he wasn't a real

person that got replaced, then

429

:

Xhafer: We have like kind of a

consistent timeline on like people

430

:

knowing Boomer, people knowing the

chief they've got like you are serving

431

:

on this ship at this time and we know

people that knew you from that time.

432

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

433

:

Xhafer: You know, like Adama's

known Boomer for three years.

434

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

435

:

Xhafer: Like we've got that kind and

it's uh, three years is they talk

436

:

about that with Caprica six and Gais.

437

:

You know, we've got that kind of

like synced in timeframe for the,

438

:

um, the significant seven is what

I've seen them called on the fandoms,

439

:

Laura: That's fun.

440

:

That's cute.

441

:

Yeah.

442

:

Xhafer: um, where it's like, like

three years before the genocide and

443

:

the diaspora is really when they

started to show up kind of casually.

444

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

445

:

Xhafer: But Teal's history

goes back farther too.

446

:

Laura: Yeah.

447

:

Xhafer: You know, Tyrell's got a long

service record to get to where he's at.

448

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

449

:

Xhafer: Tori, we don't really

know about Anders presumably.

450

:

He's a pro sports player,

presumably for more than three.

451

:

He's team captain, usually that's a

veteran player, so he's presumably been

452

:

doing that for more than three years.

453

:

We don't really know, but they do have

this kind of timeframe that is different.

454

:

That is an appropriate

thing for you to pick up on.

455

:

Laura: Yeah.

456

:

And so it makes me wonder like,

are these earlier models or

457

:

these like models we specifically

created to replace real people?

458

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

459

:

Laura: That's like the

two options that I see.

460

:

But if they're earlier models, it

seems like as the, the we episodes

461

:

we're about to talk about, or the

end of the first war, it seems like.

462

:

As we're ending this war, we're

dropping Saul tie off out the, you

463

:

know, like he's kicking him out the side

464

:

and uh, implanting him in the military?

465

:

Xhafer: Well, he doesn't meet Adama, so

Adama join, we, this is all stuff we've

466

:

seen Adama joins, like the merchant

fleets after the war because they

467

:

don't need nearly as many soldiers.

468

:

They're doing stuff.

469

:

So he kinda like does other things

outside of the military for a while.

470

:

And that's where he meets Saul.

471

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

472

:

So they didn't actually know

each other during the war.

473

:

Xhafer: Not during, but shortly after

474

:

Laura: So they could just be

kicking him out the side as they fly

475

:

away.

476

:

Xhafer: So, 'cause I mean, yeah,

it ends with the end of the war.

477

:

And so, um, Adama knows he's, he's

a veteran too when they meet, but

478

:

also Adama did not serve with him.

479

:

Laura: Right.

480

:

Okay.

481

:

Xhafer: And so it isn't until Adama

reenlist and becomes a major and

482

:

gets a little bit of sway that

he brings Ty back in with him.

483

:

Laura: Yeah.

484

:

Yeah.

485

:

Okay.

486

:

Xhafer: Which we saw, like, they,

they flashed back to that episode.

487

:

You know, Adama knocking

on the door of the ties,

488

:

Laura: Yeah.

489

:

Xhafer: so,

490

:

Laura: Well, I have like one other

thing I wrote down, but maybe we should

491

:

talk Weis episodes first because it

dovetails with those really well.

492

:

Xhafer: okay.

493

:

Yeah.

494

:

So we open, um, one, unlike, so

the previous episodes were done as

495

:

supplementary material when they

had the new capric cassette built.

496

:

They're like, Hey, you

know, you're in ad here.

497

:

You're directing this episode,

you're doing this stuff.

498

:

We've got these little things,

these little vignettes.

499

:

Go take these sets, go take these

actors and go do this stuff while we're

500

:

doing these things for the episodes.

501

:

Um.

502

:

So they did that as a, like

promotional materials thing.

503

:

There was also a bunch

of stuff at the time.

504

:

We talked about it last time with

the Webi episodes being one of the

505

:

core tenets of the writer strike.

506

:

That happens in the middle of season

four for us as we're watching this show.

507

:

Um, that's why season four and season 4.5

508

:

were like a year and a half apart was

because there was a writer's strike

509

:

in there and part of that was that

writers didn't get paid for episodes.

510

:

Laura: That's just bonkers to me.

511

:

Xhafer: Um, so the first two episodes

we have are one very, well, they're

512

:

all very short, but the first two

are notably shorter than the others.

513

:

They've got a different director,

they've got a different writer, they have

514

:

actors that are not in the other ones.

515

:

Um, the only carry through is Young Adama.

516

:

The first two were filmed separately.

517

:

Everything else was deleted scenes from

Razor that were then added back into the

518

:

extended cut, because when Razor aired, it

was a 86 epi, 86 minute two part episode

519

:

Laura: okay.

520

:

Mm-hmm.

521

:

Xhafer: that they did, and then they

released it as a 90 some minute or 110

522

:

or whatever it is DVD that adds in like

the 15 minutes of deleted scenes, this

523

:

extended sequence that we have here.

524

:

And then there's, I'm sure a couple

of other scenes added in here or

525

:

there, but I don't know what those

ones are off the top of my head.

526

:

So the first two are the

only specific episodes.

527

:

The rest are all deleted scenes that

are in the version of race or that

528

:

we're watching because we've both

done most of our notes at this point.

529

:

so, those are all cut.

530

:

The rest are all cut scenes.

531

:

You can tell from the special effects,

the budget, um, like they are clearly

532

:

the, the episodes after the first

two are clearly more well done

533

:

Laura: Yeah.

534

:

Xhafer: not in terms of like the

direction or the writing or anything.

535

:

I'm not trying to naysay anyone,

but just like in terms of like the

536

:

budget and effects used, I think the

budget for the first two went entirely

537

:

into the makeup in the second one,

538

:

Laura: yeah,

539

:

Xhafer: which is gnarly.

540

:

Laura: It is a bit gnarly and we were

watching like an AI upscaled version.

541

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

542

:

Laura: it was just like, fine, I guess.

543

:

But I was like, yikes.

544

:

That's after the upscaling.

545

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

546

:

Yeah.

547

:

So we open on day 4,571

of the first silent war.

548

:

This is 12 years, six months, and 11 days.

549

:

Laura: I was like, this

is a lot of fucking years

550

:

Xhafer: This is a lot of fucking years,

551

:

Laura: this kind of war.

552

:

Yeah.

553

:

Right.

554

:

Xhafer: Like wars.

555

:

I mean, a 12 year war

556

:

Laura: Not great.

557

:

Xhafer: in an era with nukes is insane.

558

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

559

:

And, and robots that

are like attacking you

560

:

Xhafer: yeah,

561

:

Laura: that like, don't sleep.

562

:

Xhafer: yeah,

563

:

Laura: They just never stop.

564

:

Xhafer: yeah.

565

:

It's just robots for 12 years.

566

:

Fuck.

567

:

Laura: Yeah.

568

:

This is one of those times I kind of

wish I had an idea of the scale of the

569

:

colonies, like the size, because it's

like when you have killing machines,

570

:

literally that can just mow you down.

571

:

I guess they're not totally just

mowing them down, but like a

572

:

colony, like a a, just a civilian

573

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

574

:

Laura: encampment.

575

:

Sure.

576

:

They could mow that down.

577

:

Right.

578

:

For 12 years, how many people died?

579

:

How many people did

you have to begin with?

580

:

Xhafer: A ton of people died.

581

:

They talk about that.

582

:

They talk about, in the pilot, they

talk about like the survi, like I think

583

:

they say, God, they put a number on it.

584

:

I want to say it's like a third of all

people died in the 12 year silent war.

585

:

Laura: But when we see Capric, it

also looks still like very populated,

586

:

Xhafer: Yes.

587

:

I think certain colonies bounce back more

than others or are hurt less than others.

588

:

Laura: Sure.

589

:

Yeah.

590

:

But still, like that's a lot of

people that you had to have had

591

:

Xhafer: yeah, so I mean, like if

we're talking about like the, the

592

:

design and the structure and the

12 colonies, obviously you've got

593

:

faster than light travel, right?

594

:

They've found 12 inhabitable

worlds and they're all within a

595

:

reasonable distance of each other,

596

:

and they are all inhabited.

597

:

Now.

598

:

There's no, like, they, they don't

talk about like colon, like there's

599

:

occasionally like a mention of

like a colony world or something,

600

:

or like, oh, I grew up on this

asteroid belt, or like other stuff.

601

:

But everyone almost exclusively is

from one of the 12 colony worlds.

602

:

Laura: Yeah.

603

:

Xhafer: So,

604

:

Laura: 12 and a half

years we've been at this.

605

:

And it seems like a docent

is very new at this.

606

:

It seems like he hasn't fought

yet from the discussion he's

607

:

having with the lady in his bunk.

608

:

Xhafer: he hasn't, this

is his first mission.

609

:

Laura: Yeah.

610

:

Xhafer: He says that uh, he was, you

know, worried he was gonna miss the war.

611

:

So, uh, yeah he's uh, he's, he's having

some time with another pilot, JC Mcal.

612

:

I had to get that from the credits.

613

:

I, I md beat her.

614

:

This is Allison Ika, who you might

recognize as shopper from season three

615

:

episode one of supernatural or additional

voices from the video game Skate.

616

:

Laura: mm.

617

:

Xhafer: I mean, it, she's got a more

successful actor career than me.

618

:

But yeah not many roles.

619

:

The, the only kind of

bigger role is voice acting.

620

:

Laura: Yeah.

621

:

Mm-hmm.

622

:

Xhafer: So,

623

:

Laura: Yeah, she tells him that

don't worry about going out there.

624

:

Like your training's all gonna kick in.

625

:

It'll be super easy to shoot these robots.

626

:

Xhafer: Yep.

627

:

They're going to some ice ball and it's

the end of the war and so they're like

628

:

getting ready to go fly and then we go

to the next episode and in it, JC not

629

:

only has gone and flown but is back

before he can get to the hangar bay,

630

:

Laura: Yeah.

631

:

Xhafer: And is missing half of her face.

632

:

Laura: Yep.

633

:

Half of half of her face is gone.

634

:

I don't know how she got back.

635

:

He lies and tells her that she looks fine.

636

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

637

:

Laura: and I, I am assuming

this lady's not gonna make it.

638

:

His boss then chews him out to

get to his viper and he's like

639

:

determined to, to shoot these guys.

640

:

Xhafer: Gonna do some shootings.

641

:

we see her like get carted off,

but she, they're like doctors

642

:

holding an IV bag and stuff, so

I don't think she was like, cted.

643

:

Laura: Yeah.

644

:

Xhafer: But things are not great.

645

:

God, he doesn't even launch his

viper at the end of this one.

646

:

They're like ready to go and he does a

little, like gruff, like clearly trying

647

:

to get a little Edwards James Olmos

648

:

Laura: Yes.

649

:

Mm-hmm.

650

:

He's really putting some

stank on his dialogue to try

651

:

to mimic Edward James Almost.

652

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

653

:

And that's two episodes of

the episodes done already.

654

:

Listener.

655

:

Laura: Yep.

656

:

Xhafer: These are three minutes

not counting anything else.

657

:

And most of them have about a

minute of footage shared between

658

:

the one before it and the one after.

659

:

Laura: Yeah.

660

:

And so the next, the next five episodes

are all the deleted scenes, right?

661

:

Xhafer: Yes.

662

:

Laura: At least I saw

them in my version, so,

663

:

Xhafer: them in my version too.

664

:

Yeah.

665

:

Laura: These things are gonna

get real wild, real quick.

666

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

667

:

We see there's a big battle with Galactica

and Columbia fighting some bay stars.

668

:

Columbia blows up

669

:

Laura: Yeah.

670

:

Xhafer: and it's just like, I watched

this and I'm like, I know why they

671

:

released these on the internet instead

of just stashing it away on a deleted

672

:

scene because you don't spend this much

money on special effects budget and not.

673

:

Put it out there.

674

:

'cause this is really cool.

675

:

Laura: It actually is really good.

676

:

Yeah.

677

:

Xhafer: we don't get a, I mean

like, multiple base stars,

678

:

battle stars, huge space battle.

679

:

This is very uncommon

for Battlestar Galactica.

680

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

681

:

Xhafer: It's very rag taggy.

682

:

And besides the the scene in Razor that

we'll talk about next week, where they're

683

:

attacking the shipyards is probably the

most ships we see on a screen at any

684

:

point in this show, at least for sure.

685

:

So far.

686

:

Laura: Yeah.

687

:

Especially 'cause you know, like most of

the colonial fleet is gone, so you just by

688

:

nature don't have a lot of ships to show.

689

:

So this is like your one

chance, like more ships.

690

:

Xhafer: we're going flashback e far,

so let's show it what it was like.

691

:

And it's crazy.

692

:

There's tons of vipers

and Raiders fighting.

693

:

It is really cool, really cool scene.

694

:

I mean, it's terrifying,

but it's really cool.

695

:

Laura: Yeah, it's good.

696

:

They did a good job.

697

:

Xhafer: Adama chases some

Raiders and gets hit.

698

:

He ejects and has these,

he's free falling.

699

:

There's also a centurion in free fall,

and they're shooting at each other

700

:

while they're falling in the atmosphere.

701

:

Laura: Yeah,

702

:

Xhafer: Wild.

703

:

Laura: it it is very wild.

704

:

You can tell that they

spent some money on it too.

705

:

It is not bad.

706

:

CGI like

707

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

708

:

Laura: it is good looking.

709

:

They, they try to shoot each other.

710

:

They wind up like to get, somehow

the silo makes himself fall faster

711

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

712

:

Laura: and they're like

wrestling each other.

713

:

the silo gets a knife out, but Adama

is, Adama lesson is still our boy.

714

:

Like he's smart and he

pulls his parachute.

715

:

To like change his velocity and the

silent falls off and goes down faster.

716

:

Xhafer: Yep.

717

:

Laura: Very good.

718

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

719

:

Drag y'all.

720

:

Laura: Yep.

721

:

But they both wind up crashing

through this roof of a building

722

:

on the surface of the ice planet.

723

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

724

:

Adama grabs some rebar and just

beats the shit out of this centurion.

725

:

Laura: This is really good where

they're like giving us the centurion's,

726

:

POVA little bit like the, the, we're

seeing Adama doing it and it's like

727

:

red tinted and it like glitches

as he's beating the centurion up.

728

:

Xhafer: It's cool.

729

:

Laura: It's good.

730

:

They were, they were thinking.

731

:

Xhafer: Husker wanders around the

facility and finds an amount of flesh

732

:

walls with mechanical bits and metal

grates that feels more in universe

733

:

with hell razor than a bass star.

734

:

Laura: Yeah,

735

:

Xhafer: Also, the color grating

in this room is very like

736

:

Laura: it's very

737

:

Xhafer: red,

738

:

Laura: right?

739

:

Yeah.

740

:

It's like bloody and spooky and

you know, the just like birdie

741

:

parts is like scary enough.

742

:

And then they have a tub of goo

that he goes and sticks his hand in.

743

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

744

:

This

745

:

Laura: stick your hand in the spooky goo.

746

:

Xhafer: Don't stick your

hand in the spooky goof.

747

:

You wanna make it outta the movie.

748

:

For sure.

749

:

I mean, this to me, I see this and I knew

instantly that it was like a hybrid pod.

750

:

It, it looks very similar to one.

751

:

Laura: Yeah.

752

:

Or the wake up pod.

753

:

Xhafer: like, yeah, they did a good job of

like communicating that visual language.

754

:

Laura: For sure, for sure.

755

:

But he like hallucinates a hand

seizing him from the goo, except

756

:

we're like not clear when it happens.

757

:

Is this real?

758

:

Is it hallucination?

759

:

Like what's happening?

760

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

761

:

Laura: And sees like the

dying prisoners all around him

762

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

763

:

Laura: and like hideous laughter.

764

:

And then he hears a deep, spooky voice.

765

:

Xhafer: Very deep, very spooky.

766

:

Yeah.

767

:

Laura: All of this has happened

before and will happen again.

768

:

Xhafer: Ooh, they said the thing.

769

:

Laura: said the thing But then

Husker hears like somebody

770

:

in the building knocking.

771

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

772

:

There's like some commotion coming through

one of the doors, and we get this like

773

:

spooky hand on the door to cut to the end

of the episode and start the next one.

774

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

775

:

Xhafer: And there's just

like a guy in there.

776

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

777

:

Xhafer: Um, his, his, he's

credited as scared man.

778

:

Laura: Yeah.

779

:

That sums up the character, doesn't it?

780

:

Xhafer: Yep.

781

:

And, uh.

782

:

adams's, like trying to like wedge

this door open and he's like, it's

783

:

welded shut, but he also gets it

open like three inches, which means

784

:

that he would've broken any of the

welds that would've been holding it

785

:

shut except for like on the hinges.

786

:

But even then, that would've been broken.

787

:

Like where?

788

:

Where the hell is this

welded that it hasn't broken?

789

:

There's like, I could think of

like maybe, depending on how thick

790

:

the door is, like maybe a little

bit on the inside or something

791

:

where it wouldn't have

broken at this point.

792

:

Laura: Well at this point the

building also starts shaking a bunch.

793

:

So maybe you can hit Canada that

like the frame is now off just

794

:

enough that like the door won't open.

795

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

796

:

It's just pinched

797

:

Laura: 'cause Yeah, he's,

he's trying to break them out.

798

:

The, the thing is shut, the guy's

dialoguing at him about who they were.

799

:

That this was the, the

people on the Diana,

800

:

Xhafer: yeah.

801

:

Laura: there were 50 of them, but they've

one by one been taken away by silence.

802

:

Xhafer: Lots of screaming.

803

:

Laura: Lots of screaming,

so much screaming.

804

:

And the, the everything starts

humming and shaking because we

805

:

see that there's a base star.

806

:

Going to take off outside,

like very close by.

807

:

Oh, and they were from Gemini.

808

:

I don't know if that's gonna be

useful information or not, but

809

:

Xhafer: Maybe.

810

:

Um,

811

:

Laura: I'll, I'll give a theory

about that in just a moment.

812

:

Xhafer: okay.

813

:

But yeah.

814

:

So, Adam, Tom Les goes outside

to see what's going on.

815

:

He sees that base star taken off.

816

:

It looks more like a newer base

star than the older base stars

817

:

that we see fighting in the battle.

818

:

It's got that like stacked.

819

:

Triangles thing.

820

:

The design, like the three.

821

:

and he calls up to the battle star

to be like, Hey, I'm down here.

822

:

There's, there's like

people we're fucked help.

823

:

And they're like, oh yeah, well

we'll just send a ship, whatever.

824

:

'cause the war's over.

825

:

He's just like, Ozzy.

826

:

Laura: Yeah.

827

:

Xhafer: The war ended in the five

minutes you were in that building.

828

:

Laura: Yeah, he, he's basically radioing

up to say like, there's a war crime

829

:

down here help me with this war crime.

830

:

And they're like, oh, well it

doesn't matter because it's over.

831

:

Yeah, we'll come get you.

832

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

833

:

We'll send a crew down.

834

:

Don't worry about it.

835

:

Laura: Yeah.

836

:

But, uh, mine actually ended with a little

post script and I don't know if that's

837

:

Xhafer: Mine did have a little postscript

838

:

Laura: okay.

839

:

Xhafer: which is Adama

checking out the old centurion.

840

:

A couple days before the uh,

the diaspora and the genocide.

841

:

Laura: yeah.

842

:

Like Doral Dole's, like, Hey,

we're getting your son to

843

:

come for this museum opening.

844

:

And uh, he gazes it the old

things in the museum to credits.

845

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

846

:

Laura: So trying to decide what

needs to go here and what's

847

:

gonna go in the razor discussion.

848

:

But the thought I had after I watched

these was, I'm not sure, I'm convinced

849

:

that the 12 models or some of the

12 models weren't made by humans.

850

:

Xhafer: Okay.

851

:

Laura: Clearly the centurions

were doing something here

852

:

with humans that we find out

more about in Razor, but.

853

:

I just, I don't know, knowing how

humans work, like I have this feeling

854

:

that we, if, if we build robots that

turn on us, we will try to build

855

:

different robots to fight them.

856

:

You know what I mean?

857

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

858

:

Laura: Like that that would

be a thing that we would do

859

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

860

:

Like, yeah, let's not learn our

lesson really, really poignantly.

861

:

Please.

862

:

Laura: Yeah.

863

:

Yeah.

864

:

And so I'm like, what if at least

some of the 12 models were developed

865

:

by someone who is like, well, we

really messed the toasters up.

866

:

So maybe if we make them more

meaty, it'll go better this time.

867

:

Xhafer: What if we make them harder

for us to find out that they're robots?

868

:

That seems like a good idea, right?

869

:

They'll be more like us.

870

:

Maybe the, maybe they won't hate us.

871

:

Laura: Yeah.

872

:

Yeah.

873

:

Xhafer: man, just wait for Caprica.

874

:

Laura: Exciting.

875

:

Xhafer: I mean, do you

know anything about the

876

:

Laura: I don't know anything about Caprica

877

:

Xhafer: The Caprica show takes place?

878

:

Like, I want to say like 10

years before the start of the

879

:

Cy War, something like that?

880

:

Laura: the first one.

881

:

Xhafer: yeah, the first

one, and it's about like.

882

:

The family and the company that

builds the first sightlines.

883

:

Laura: Cool.

884

:

That sounds good.

885

:

Yeah.

886

:

Xhafer: It sounds good.

887

:

And it's better than I

remember not hating it.

888

:

It got a lot of flack because

it was not Battlestar Galactica.

889

:

Laura: Well, yeah, that's

not the same story.

890

:

Yeah.

891

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

892

:

Um, and I think people were

just, I don't remember.

893

:

I mean, it's also been a long time,

so we'll see how it holds up, uh, from

894

:

Laura: premise is like living in

the world that we're living in

895

:

today, Jair, to me that premise.

896

:

Super solid.

897

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

898

:

I wanna watch it.

899

:

I'm really looking forward

to re-watch a Caprica.

900

:

Um, I don't even know that I watched

all of Caprica, because I never had a

901

:

copy, so I just probably caught most

of the episodes as they aired, but

902

:

I don't think I caught all of them.

903

:

Laura: Yeah.

904

:

Mm-hmm.

905

:

mm-hmm.

906

:

Xhafer: It'll be a little crusading

again, where it's like, I think

907

:

I've seen most of these, but

908

:

Laura: don't know.

909

:

Xhafer: up, I did not

see about half of them

910

:

when we went and watched it,

911

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

912

:

Yeah.

913

:

No, I think this is a great time

to shout out Mark and the Discord.

914

:

'cause he said something really great

yesterday that like trying media

915

:

again later, like, you've changed

so you know it's gonna be different.

916

:

I think that the world that we

live in today really makes me

917

:

intrigued by that premise, so,

918

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

919

:

I mean, Battlestar Galactica

feels a little bit more prescient.

920

:

Um, I mean, also I'm the guy who's

shouting from the rooftops that uh,

921

:

if we build it, we All Die, is the

stupidest fucking book released last year.

922

:

Laura: Oh, I think I've heard of this one.

923

:

Xhafer: yeah, it's, it's real

AI doom saying stuff, and

924

:

it's just all like guys like.

925

:

I, I have a hard time with it

926

:

because a lot of the time when I see

people thinking that AI is actually alive,

927

:

Laura: Yeah.

928

:

Xhafer: what they, what they

are doing is they're empathizing

929

:

and it's a general rule.

930

:

I don't like discouraging

people from empathizing.

931

:

Laura: Sure.

932

:

Generally helpful.

933

:

Mm-hmm.

934

:

Xhafer: Generally a good thing.

935

:

But you're just seeing regurgitated text,

936

:

Laura: Yeah, you're

projecting a little bit.

937

:

Xhafer: for

938

:

Laura: 'cause this is how I would do it.

939

:

This is how the machine is doing it.

940

:

No, the machine is just a

complicated math problem.

941

:

Picking the next word that it

thinks it should is the most likely.

942

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean two, just for

the sake of counter arguing that we've

943

:

got a machine that takes everything,

it's been exposed to, weights it

944

:

very quickly, and then response, is

that not how your memory and actions

945

:

Laura: Sure.

946

:

I dunno.

947

:

I

948

:

dunno.

949

:

Xhafer: I mean, the difference

of course, being sentient,

950

:

Laura: But yeah, mine is made of meat.

951

:

Xhafer: yeah.

952

:

But that, that's not

the good reason though.

953

:

If we're being perfectly honest,

that's not the good reason.

954

:

Um, the good reason is that it doesn't

actually think, um, it is if, if, if

955

:

there was a person who could answer

questions but could never ask a question,

956

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

957

:

Xhafer: like, I mean, that

that's what you're dealing with.

958

:

Um, only it's not, it's also not a person.

959

:

It,

960

:

Laura: Yeah.

961

:

Xhafer: so,

962

:

Laura: I bet you that book

made a lot of money though.

963

:

Xhafer: oh yeah.

964

:

Well, I mean, it was real dooms say,

965

:

Laura: It's a great way to make money.

966

:

So anyway, I'm just not convinced that

the 12 models came from the silence.

967

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

968

:

Yeah.

969

:

Laura: Some are all it could.

970

:

Some of the, some of them, yeah.

971

:

Maybe.

972

:

I'm not convinced that all of them did.

973

:

Xhafer: Okay.

974

:

I mean, maybe.

975

:

Laura: Exciting.

976

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

977

:

Um, okay.

978

:

We did get some questions in the discord

979

:

Laura: Okay, let's do it.

980

:

Xhafer: It's been, it's been 50 minutes.

981

:

We gave them enough time.

982

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

983

:

Xhafer: Um, some of these I am not

going to ask because I feel like either

984

:

where we're at, you don't have enough.

985

:

I don't want it to spoil that.

986

:

It's, there's more of it.

987

:

Laura: Sure.

988

:

Okay.

989

:

Xhafer: Um, and some of them I'm

probably going to reword, so apologies

990

:

to the people who submitted to them.

991

:

If I don't hit exactly what you're

getting at, I'm just trying to

992

:

make sure that we remain a spoiler

free environment at this point.

993

:

Kristen, our friend Kristen,

wants to know what you think the

994

:

final survivor count is gonna be.

995

:

And I'm, I'm actually

gonna write this down

996

:

Laura: I'm so bad at the numbers.

997

:

I've not been good at

estimating the numbers.

998

:

Xhafer: Okay.

999

:

Well, here, let me, let me

pull up some numbers for you.

:

00:45:53,936 --> 00:45:57,176

Laura: I got the old calculator too,

so give me the gimme where we're at

:

00:45:57,236 --> 00:45:59,186

or where we last knew we were at.

:

00:46:00,056 --> 00:46:08,517

Xhafer: where we last knew we were

at would've been, The sun also rises.

:

00:46:09,657 --> 00:46:15,327

We got our minus one for Carra, 41,399.

:

00:46:16,157 --> 00:46:16,447

Laura: Okay?

:

00:46:17,097 --> 00:46:22,177

Xhafer: Now that's, so we'll say that's

effectively the end of season three.

:

00:46:22,567 --> 00:46:26,557

There is some stuff that goes

down in season three towards the

:

00:46:26,557 --> 00:46:31,447

very end of Crossroads part two,

where there's ships and things.

:

00:46:31,627 --> 00:46:33,997

So we don't really know

what's gonna happen there yet.

:

00:46:33,997 --> 00:46:34,537

We don't have a good

:

00:46:34,537 --> 00:46:38,167

estimation, so we will

just run with that 41,399.

:

00:46:38,497 --> 00:46:47,797

Now, our starting number,

initial estimate, 50,298

:

00:46:48,611 --> 00:46:49,446

Laura: That was where we started.

:

00:46:49,776 --> 00:46:52,386

Xhafer: that is where we started in 33.

:

00:46:52,656 --> 00:46:55,146

That's not including the

loss of the Olympic carrier.

:

00:46:56,361 --> 00:46:59,691

That's not including any of the

revisions that they did because they

:

00:46:59,691 --> 00:47:02,961

give a couple of different numbers

throughout the course of that episode.

:

00:47:03,676 --> 00:47:07,126

the baby born on the

Rising Star, et cetera.

:

00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:16,036

So, and the first number

they throw at us is 50,296.

:

00:47:16,546 --> 00:47:16,906

Laura: Okay.

:

00:47:19,006 --> 00:47:21,976

Xhafer: the, the Olympic

carrier drops that real quick.

:

00:47:22,726 --> 00:47:25,336

:

:

00:47:26,116 --> 00:47:27,046

It was a big ship.

:

00:47:27,436 --> 00:47:28,156

So,

:

00:47:28,366 --> 00:47:29,716

Laura: empty ship that we saw.

:

00:47:30,796 --> 00:47:35,626

Xhafer: Yeah, episode two, water 47,958.

:

00:47:37,701 --> 00:47:39,079

Laura: Hmm Hmm.

:

00:47:40,421 --> 00:47:40,641

So

:

00:47:40,906 --> 00:47:44,266

Xhafer: if you want to know any

more points in the timeline,

:

00:47:44,751 --> 00:47:44,971

Laura: nah,

:

00:47:45,526 --> 00:47:46,931

Xhafer: I've got it open right now.

:

00:47:47,056 --> 00:47:49,306

Laura: I think that's just

more confusing for me.

:

00:47:50,116 --> 00:47:51,976

Um hmm.

:

00:47:52,696 --> 00:47:58,366

So that was almost 9,000 people

lost between the start of it all.

:

00:47:58,576 --> 00:47:59,296

And now

:

00:47:59,986 --> 00:48:00,076

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:01,658 --> 00:48:07,148

Laura: two possibilities because

this is a show for nerds.

:

00:48:07,238 --> 00:48:14,288

They have to, if they're gonna land

on earth and it's not populated like

:

00:48:14,288 --> 00:48:17,798

nobody's there, you have to have

enough people to populate Earth.

:

00:48:19,075 --> 00:48:25,045

Xhafer: I will say the number that

we're aiming for is regardless of that

:

00:48:25,735 --> 00:48:28,915

we're, I'm talking about last the fleet.

:

00:48:29,215 --> 00:48:31,075

What, what the fleet ends the show at.

:

00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,170

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,960

But like at Earth it's already populated.

:

00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,880

You could have like two

people show up there

:

00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:37,930

and everything's

:

00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:38,830

Xhafer: No, that's fair.

:

00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:39,280

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:41,620

Um hmm.

:

00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:45,730

I feel like we're about to

lose some ships in this fight.

:

00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,950

It's a big fight we're going into

:

00:48:48,535 --> 00:48:48,955

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:55,840

Laura: and I'm a little afraid that

some weirdos are gonna split off with

:

00:48:56,620 --> 00:49:01,924

Guy Baltar or try to do a coup and

then we're gonna lose more people.

:

00:49:03,112 --> 00:49:05,182

what would another 20% off be?

:

00:49:07,182 --> 00:49:10,872

Xhafer: 20% of 40,000 would

be 8,000 people, give or

:

00:49:10,977 --> 00:49:11,267

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:11,767 --> 00:49:12,187

Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:14,187 --> 00:49:14,477

Yeah.

:

00:49:14,922 --> 00:49:16,002

30,000.

:

00:49:16,985 --> 00:49:19,595

That seems like a conservative estimate.

:

00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:26,780

Xhafer: I think they throw God,

in the first couple episodes, the

:

00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:31,940

President asks about the, like how

many have to survive for them to

:

00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:33,980

be able to continue as a species.

:

00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:39,680

And I think the number she threw

around was either 32 or 36,000.

:

00:49:40,355 --> 00:49:41,045

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,990

Xhafer: I can't remember offhand,

but that's, I think it was 36,000 was

:

00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:47,030

the number that was discussed then.

:

00:49:47,045 --> 00:49:49,685

Laura: I feel like whenever that

discussion happened, I was mad

:

00:49:49,685 --> 00:49:51,155

that it hadn't happened earlier

:

00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:52,370

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:52,475 --> 00:49:53,855

Laura: because I was

like, the second you're.

:

00:49:54,590 --> 00:49:57,590

In this problem, you should,

you should, be doing that math.

:

00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:59,360

Um hmm.

:

00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:03,130

30,000 almost doesn't

feel like enough to me.

:

00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,800

Like, like enough are gonna

perish in a dramatic final season.

:

00:50:10,026 --> 00:50:14,608

But I, I feel like if that's the

number she threw around, we've gotta

:

00:50:14,608 --> 00:50:17,368

dip down below it or very close to it.

:

00:50:18,278 --> 00:50:18,508

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:50:18,718 --> 00:50:20,668

Laura: So let's just say 30,000.

:

00:50:20,668 --> 00:50:21,298

Ballpark it there.

:

00:50:22,138 --> 00:50:22,498

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:25,084

let's see here.

:

00:50:26,009 --> 00:50:32,909

Given the trial, how do the dad role and

Baby Lee continue their relationship?

:

00:50:33,824 --> 00:50:34,694

Laura: Oh man.

:

00:50:35,354 --> 00:50:38,984

Well, we've got a big space battle

now, and Lee went back in the

:

00:50:38,984 --> 00:50:40,754

viper, he went back out there.

:

00:50:41,114 --> 00:50:47,924

So, I don't know, maybe some

heroism in that is going to help.

:

00:50:48,614 --> 00:50:53,594

I don't think it'll fix it, but

I, I'd be really surprised if it

:

00:50:53,594 --> 00:50:56,984

was just like, oh yes, you did a

heroism and it's all better now.

:

00:50:57,674 --> 00:51:01,394

But also daddy's favorite

daughter is back,

:

00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:02,889

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:03,224 --> 00:51:07,094

Laura: so maybe that helps too,

because she didn't, he didn't

:

00:51:07,094 --> 00:51:08,594

actually lose his daughter.

:

00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:09,279

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:10,664 --> 00:51:10,904

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:51:11,354 --> 00:51:11,594

Yeah.

:

00:51:11,624 --> 00:51:12,314

Great question.

:

00:51:12,614 --> 00:51:13,274

I'm curious too.

:

00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:18,621

Xhafer: Do you think the final five

are going to end up working with

:

00:51:18,621 --> 00:51:20,481

the previously revealed models?

:

00:51:21,091 --> 00:51:24,331

Do you think they're going

to get together or, or not?

:

00:51:25,706 --> 00:51:29,641

Laura: It seems hard to do because

as we've talked about with the

:

00:51:29,641 --> 00:51:37,351

significant seven, they're like

probably not in the fleet, right?

:

00:51:38,681 --> 00:51:39,881

Would it be all of them?

:

00:51:41,411 --> 00:51:43,751

We know, we know about the

Sharons, we know about all of

:

00:51:43,751 --> 00:51:44,956

them that we're on new capa.

:

00:51:46,356 --> 00:51:46,646

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:47,801 --> 00:51:50,591

Laura: So to have one just like

hiding in the fleet, they'd

:

00:51:50,591 --> 00:51:52,511

have to be really disguised.

:

00:51:53,657 --> 00:51:58,247

So that leaves, one of our four

would have to like contact them

:

00:51:58,247 --> 00:52:00,737

in some way or leave the ship.

:

00:52:01,217 --> 00:52:04,277

I know we have Caprica six

on board, at least for now.

:

00:52:04,622 --> 00:52:05,042

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:05,762 --> 00:52:09,272

Laura: Could go talk to her or

somebody could go talk to her.

:

00:52:09,452 --> 00:52:12,842

'cause we've seen that anyone could

go anywhere again on this ship.

:

00:52:13,597 --> 00:52:14,007

Xhafer: it's true.

:

00:52:14,557 --> 00:52:17,407

Laura: Like Tiro can go visit

Guy Baltar for no good reason.

:

00:52:17,407 --> 00:52:18,967

He can probably go see Kaka six too.

:

00:52:21,907 --> 00:52:25,567

Yeah, I think, I think one of them has to,

:

00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:26,670

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:30,520

Laura: I can't speculate on who

or how, but I feel like one of

:

00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,516

them at least will make contact.

:

00:52:35,095 --> 00:52:35,395

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:52:35,965 --> 00:52:37,255

Do you think they're

gonna make it to Earth?

:

00:52:38,236 --> 00:52:38,986

Laura: I think so.

:

00:52:39,857 --> 00:52:41,777

I, I don't know why, but I think so.

:

00:52:41,782 --> 00:52:41,862

I.

:

00:52:42,817 --> 00:52:44,737

I dunno why, how, what that entails.

:

00:52:44,737 --> 00:52:45,067

Like

:

00:52:45,127 --> 00:52:47,077

there's all kinds of ways

it can be interesting.

:

00:52:47,182 --> 00:52:49,642

Xhafer: yeah, there's, there's a, there's

a bunch of stuff they could do with it.

:

00:52:49,762 --> 00:52:55,162

Um, I mean, famously, OG Battle Star

ended with them rolling up on earth and

:

00:52:55,162 --> 00:52:57,447

ing the modern day, which was:

:

00:52:57,847 --> 00:52:58,177

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:58,927 --> 00:53:01,837

Xhafer: They showed up and it ended

up being like, no, this is happening

:

00:53:01,837 --> 00:53:03,697

above us in space right now.

:

00:53:04,032 --> 00:53:04,452

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:05,557 --> 00:53:06,637

I don't think it's that

:

00:53:07,567 --> 00:53:07,927

Xhafer: okay.

:

00:53:09,457 --> 00:53:11,527

Laura: if they do that again,

I'd be really surprised.

:

00:53:12,697 --> 00:53:12,907

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:12,907 --> 00:53:16,987

You don't think we'll see like Baltar

walking around to New York City?

:

00:53:17,407 --> 00:53:18,067

Laura: No,

:

00:53:18,427 --> 00:53:19,297

Xhafer: It's too absurd.

:

00:53:19,447 --> 00:53:20,167

Laura: please not.

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Yeah.

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Although if that is the last minute,

I could see why people are really mad.

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I would, I would empathize.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, alright, and then uh, I wanna

be careful how I ask this question,

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Laura: You gotta think about this one.

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Xhafer: the wording of the question.

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I'm afraid might say some

things, not the direct wording.

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I think, I think our conversation

around it might lead to some things.

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So I'm gonna ask you about

the status of the head people.

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Where are we sitting on six?

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Ruckus, that whole situation.

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Um, it seems like it's been less

prevalent in the back half of season

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00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:19,909

three than it was seasons one,

two, and the first half of season

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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00:54:21,439 --> 00:54:22,549

Xhafer: I mean, it's still around.

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00:54:22,579 --> 00:54:27,842

It's not like there's was like absent uh,

but I feel like we've gotten less of it.

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I mean, Gais being on the

silent ship for a while also was

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kind of like taking that away.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: and also just like Gais and

six PT currently existing in the

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same space for most of the season.

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It made it more difficult.

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But do you think we we're, we kind of

like have dropped that as a storyline at

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this point because they're cohabitating,

but we've also seen that they're

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still, they, they, they've shown up

in the room with the other person.

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Right?

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Like we've seen, we have we seen

six PT, and six in the same room?

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Laura: I don't think we've

seen them in the same room.

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We've seen

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Xhafer: it not Caprica six?

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It was a different six.

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Yeah,

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Laura: like Caprica six walks

out and then six PT shows up.

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That's the closest

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Um, do you think that

that's gonna be a thing?

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Do you think there's gonna be

more of that, less of that as

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00:55:22,878 --> 00:55:24,108

these characters cohabitate?

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Eight.

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Laura: I think that because we've seen

Gaia spirited away by his followers to

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00:55:29,223 --> 00:55:35,613

presumably start a sex cult, um, that

six PT is gonna be all over that shit.

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00:55:36,318 --> 00:55:36,618

Xhafer: Okay.

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00:55:36,993 --> 00:55:42,003

Laura: I think we're gonna

have some rampant six pt capric

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is still stuck on Galactica.

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00:55:43,473 --> 00:55:43,923

Yes.

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00:55:45,357 --> 00:55:49,617

she, her last raus interaction

was taunting sa tie.

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,870

I suspect Raus will still be around.

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00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:56,600

I think Co Leo is gone.

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I think that whatever happened

to Starbuck in that weird, him

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00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:08,120

coaxing her into her oblivion

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:08,640

Xhafer: a crowd.

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00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:09,440

Yeah.

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00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:12,050

Laura: I think that is resolved.

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00:56:12,050 --> 00:56:21,320

I think at least for Starbuck

Co Obin was a, he might've been

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,020

like the figment of imagination.

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00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,400

You know, we don't, we really can't tell

with Raus and 60 T, we're not sure what

:

00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:34,160

the hell's happening there, but I think

it's a temporary thing for Starbuck.

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00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,020

And we know Adama's head person

only shows up once a year, so

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00:56:38,695 --> 00:56:38,965

Xhafer: Yeah.

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00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:42,370

Laura: we'll see if we make it to another

anniversary, that's how we would know.

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00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:48,850

But yeah, I don't think we're

done with the head people.

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00:56:49,585 --> 00:56:49,915

Xhafer: Okay.

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00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:52,180

Laura: I think they might

get even more annoying.

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00:56:53,305 --> 00:56:57,985

Xhafer: so we've got some stuff

with Gais and this little cult

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00:56:58,315 --> 00:56:59,665

starting to pop up, right?

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00:57:00,130 --> 00:57:00,370

Laura: Mm-hmm.

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00:57:01,135 --> 00:57:02,455

Xhafer: Um, they, they

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00:57:02,455 --> 00:57:06,895

seem to think, you know, there's, there's

always been a little bit about religion

:

00:57:06,895 --> 00:57:13,105

in the show and the, the monotheist

silence and the polytheistic colonialists.

:

00:57:13,165 --> 00:57:19,825

Um, given it's the last season,

and knowing that Ron Moore also is

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00:57:19,825 --> 00:57:23,275

responsible for all that stuff in DS nine.

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00:57:24,115 --> 00:57:24,535

Laura: Mm-hmm.

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00:57:24,730 --> 00:57:28,960

Xhafer: With him and Iris Steven Bayer

in the writer's room there, and the turn

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00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:35,890

that that show took into a spiritual,

its final season and it looks like this

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00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:37,990

is building something similar right now,

:

00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,700

outwardly what do you think is

gonna happen with that in general?

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00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:47,600

Not really just like the guidance

stuff, but do you, do you think

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00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,280

there's gonna be anything bigger?

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00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:54,260

Laura: I had a funny theory

about Gaas, but it really is

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00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:55,790

better for the next episode.

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00:57:56,660 --> 00:57:57,170

Xhafer: Yeah.

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00:57:57,575 --> 00:57:57,875

Laura: Yeah.

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00:57:57,905 --> 00:58:00,185

'cause we need to discuss

things that happen in Razor

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00:58:00,705 --> 00:58:00,995

Xhafer: Okay.

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00:58:01,265 --> 00:58:03,005

Laura: in order to get to that theory.

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00:58:03,065 --> 00:58:07,295

But, I've said it so many times,

I don't want gais to be God.

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,710

Xhafer: yeah, that'd be a bummer.

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00:58:10,055 --> 00:58:12,545

Laura: And these people seem

to really want that actually.

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00:58:12,935 --> 00:58:14,075

And that's bad.

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00:58:14,495 --> 00:58:15,335

That's bad.

:

00:58:15,895 --> 00:58:16,795

You shouldn't want that.

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00:58:18,295 --> 00:58:18,895

Get better.

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00:58:20,785 --> 00:58:21,175

Xhafer: All right.

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00:58:21,175 --> 00:58:27,505

Well we've, we've successfully spent five

times as much time as the episodes talking

:

00:58:27,505 --> 00:58:29,095

about the episodes and other things.

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00:58:29,095 --> 00:58:29,395

Laura: Yeah.

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00:58:29,455 --> 00:58:30,445

Good for us.

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00:58:30,865 --> 00:58:31,345

Xhafer: Right.

:

00:58:32,155 --> 00:58:37,225

I was like, this is gonna be a 20 minute

episode and now it is almost midnight

:

00:58:37,225 --> 00:58:39,055

and I need to go the fuck to sleep.

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00:58:39,145 --> 00:58:41,485

Laura: But I reassured you,

I was like, no, no Jafer.

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00:58:41,485 --> 00:58:43,885

I have crazy thoughts, crazy thoughts.

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00:58:44,035 --> 00:58:44,605

Xhafer: You did?

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00:58:44,605 --> 00:58:49,272

Look, I had a page and a half of

notes on the episodes and we talked

:

00:58:49,272 --> 00:58:51,522

about them in like five minutes.

:

00:58:52,242 --> 00:59:00,342

I was expecting 30 minutes of this stuff,

not over 45, 50 now, which is awesome.

:

00:59:00,702 --> 00:59:01,902

Good conversation for sure.

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00:59:02,212 --> 00:59:05,092

But I think it's also time to just

save everything else for next week.

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00:59:05,257 --> 00:59:06,037

Laura: I think so too.

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00:59:06,097 --> 00:59:09,157

I've, we've put a, a

pin on a couple things.

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00:59:09,337 --> 00:59:10,207

Let's do it then.

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00:59:10,922 --> 00:59:12,792

Xhafer: so, we'll be back next week.

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00:59:12,792 --> 00:59:20,442

We're watching the Straight to DVD slash

ERUs two episode movie Razor with this

:

00:59:20,442 --> 00:59:27,732

absolutely thrilling description we

get from I-M-D-B-A two hour Battlestar

:

00:59:27,732 --> 00:59:32,712

Galactica special that tells the story

of the Battlestar Pegasus several

:

00:59:32,712 --> 00:59:35,292

months prior to it, finding Galactica.

:

00:59:35,811 --> 00:59:36,101

Laura: Yeah,

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00:59:36,851 --> 00:59:37,341

that was,

:

00:59:37,971 --> 00:59:39,141

Xhafer: That's, part of that movie.

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00:59:39,396 --> 00:59:40,476

Laura: that's part of that movie.

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00:59:40,686 --> 00:59:40,956

It's

:

00:59:41,001 --> 00:59:43,581

Xhafer: Not much of that

movie, but part of that movie.

:

00:59:43,716 --> 00:59:45,546

Laura: it's an important

part of that movie.

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00:59:45,756 --> 00:59:46,116

Yeah.

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00:59:46,311 --> 00:59:46,671

Xhafer: true.

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00:59:47,676 --> 00:59:47,946

Laura: Yeah.

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00:59:48,126 --> 00:59:48,516

Cool.

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00:59:49,058 --> 00:59:52,928

Xhafer: Alright, well we'll be back

next week to talk about that stuff, but

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00:59:52,928 --> 00:59:57,908

before we're back next week, we gotta

say thank you this week to Jeremy Siegel.

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00:59:57,938 --> 00:59:58,748

Hey Jeremy.

:

00:59:59,198 --> 01:00:00,488

Ba, ba ba.

:

01:00:02,738 --> 01:00:04,778

Thanks so much for our theme music.

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01:00:05,332 --> 01:00:07,492

Laura: And thanks to angry

duck time machine on Instagram

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01:00:07,492 --> 01:00:08,452

for the podcast artwork.

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01:00:09,253 --> 01:00:09,583

Xhafer: Aaron.

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01:00:09,943 --> 01:00:14,053

Thanks my friend in this podcast

and making sure that we sound like

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01:00:14,113 --> 01:00:16,033

coherent people having a conversation.

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01:00:16,753 --> 01:00:17,653

Appreciate you buddy.

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01:00:17,938 --> 01:00:18,388

Laura: Yeah.

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01:00:19,168 --> 01:00:23,058

And thanks listeners for uh, popping

into the Discord with some last minute

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01:00:23,058 --> 01:00:24,738

questions we got to think about.

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01:00:24,738 --> 01:00:25,698

That was fun.

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01:00:26,328 --> 01:00:28,278

We appreciate you so much.

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01:00:28,383 --> 01:00:30,763

Xhafer: thank you Kristen and

Faith for jumping in there

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01:00:30,763 --> 01:00:31,993

and sending us some questions.

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01:00:31,993 --> 01:00:32,893

Appreciate you both.

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01:00:33,769 --> 01:00:35,569

And uh, we'll see you next week.

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01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:35,959

Internet.

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01:00:36,366 --> 01:00:36,846

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.