Episode 155

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8th Jan 2025

BSG S1E3 - One Bad Taco Tuesday

Laura and Xhafer grapple with the sociopolitical questions posed in Battlestar Galactica - Season 1, Episode 3: Bastille Day.

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Xhafer:

Hey listener, just a quick content warning on this episode.

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There is a implied physical assault

that may be of a sexual nature.

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So if you don't want to hear us talk about

that, just go ahead and skip this one.

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We'll

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done

sci fi watchcast hosted by two

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friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jafar,

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Laura: and I'm Laura

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Xhafer: and we're here today

with Season 1, Episode 3.

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Bastille Day.

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just gonna go ahead and note.

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I don't know if you're gonna

ever hear this listener.

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I know we had said Scott was gonna, from

Gray17, was gonna be on this episode.

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We're recording this as a contingency plan

because there were some travel issues.

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So, if this never, if you don't

hear this, none of this matters.

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But if you are hearing this, just wanted

to give a shout out to Scott still.

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We're gonna get him back

on later at some point.

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We'll schedule something.

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and go listen to especially The

Lies, Their new Deep Space Nine

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podcast that just launched,

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Laura: yeah.

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Everybody dropping a new Deep Space Nine

podcast for the uh, anniversary this year?

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Xhafer: I'm here for it.

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I'm living it.

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I

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Laura: what is it?

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One of the big anniversaries?

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Xhafer: 31.

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I

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Laura: Well, sometimes you just

gotta celebrate on the prime numbers.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think it's 31 or

it's got to be more than that.

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Cause I think Voyager is 30 this year.

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It would have overlapped.

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Okay.

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31.

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So 32

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Mm

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Xhafer: Well, regardless, Scott,

if you happen to be listening,

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hope everything worked out.

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And listener, if you're listening, we hope

you hope the same for Scott, because he's

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a good dude and deserves your well wishes.

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Laura: Yeah, and I really, really

do want to talk to Scott about

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this episode because I feel like

he is much more qualified than I

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to have thoughts on this episode.

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Xhafer: I literally have parts of

my notes where I'm all like, and

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Scott's gonna fill this in for you,

so don't talk about it too much.

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Laura: Yeah, no, I feel,

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Xhafer: down.

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Laura: I feel way out of my depth

as a person who has studied silly

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things like music and business and

not the human condition and how to.

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put together a good society.

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Xhafer: If I needed to, like, if

I'm in the chair on who wants to be

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a millionaire, and the topic is how

to help create and run an efficient

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political system that enables you

know, like good voting practices

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or something about 70s sci fi.

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Those are the two topics I'm

calling Scott for, and we hit

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both of them in this episode.

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Laura: For sure.

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Yes.

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I feel a little out of my depth.

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I mean, I say business is a silly

thing, but I do think there are things

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about business that are important to

the functioning of a good society.

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And I don't know that we're doing

it all great at this moment.

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We're not.

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Spoiler.

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Xhafer: It's bad.

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Laura: But yeah, Bastille Day.

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Uh, I also wish I had a better historic

understanding of actual Bastille Day.

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I feel like I should understand it, but

there's so much history that, a lot of

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it blends together in my mind, and it's

weird, but a lot of history I have kind

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of landmarked by what was happening in

music at that time, because you had to

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study so much music history in my degree.

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But that's not necessarily

useful to, like, understanding

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social stuff all the time.

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Xhafer: Commemorates the storming of

th,:

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unity of the French people a year later.

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Laura: And the Bastille was a prison,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, the Bastille was not a good place.

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Laura: And it was like

for political prisoners.

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Xhafer: Yeah, it was political prisoners

during the, uh The French Revolution.

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I think that's how they say it.

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Laura: Sure.

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Don't, at us French people.

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I put my Duolingo French down a little

bit ago and I haven't picked it up.

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So,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: so that's one thing that I feel

is kind of ambiguous in this episode and

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we can get into the nitty gritty details

of the episode in just a minute, but.

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We're told that these prisoners

on the Astral Queen are dangerous.

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They're, you know, hardened

criminals murderers, et cetera.

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But they were all on their

way to parole hearings.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And then we get

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Xhafer: interesting little

fact because like how often do

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you have prisoners in media?

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where literally the entire group

of prisoners being portrayed was

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on their way to a parole hearing.

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Like, the fact that that's the

entire imprisoned population

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was all due for parole

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Laura: yeah,

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Xhafer: hearings.

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I'm not sure if that due for

parole, due for parole hearings,

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I'm not sure if there's a

difference there in the terminology

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Laura: yeah,

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I mean, I believe it was the hearing,

so, like, they could be turned down,

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I guess, is the sticky point there.

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And we're not totally clear whether

they're all actually dangerous people

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or, you know, You know, some of

them might be politically motivated,

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like the gentleman we meet later.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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it's a very interesting situation though.

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And so, They are, they're

talking about a couple of things.

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Lee kind of soft pitches

his freedom points thing.

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Laura: Oh, no, I think we should

start at the beginning, because we

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did not actually talk about why we're

needing to talk about the Astro Queen.

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Xhafer: Oh, my first note

is his tie gained whiskey.

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Laura: That's where we open, is

him checking out his whiskey.

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Xhafer: So, we're talking about the

difficulties that lay before the

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remaining human population here.

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They've found a source of water.

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The liquid water they found is

saltwater, but the ice is pure.

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And it's going to take a lot of

dangerous manual labor in order

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to harvest this ice and melt it so

that it can be used by the fleet.

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And that's going to be significantly

easier than taking a bunch of salt

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water on and trying to purify it.

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which makes me wonder, how could

that be the case when you have

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such an efficient water reclamation

system Galactica uh, that

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Laura: It can handle everything but salt?

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Xhafer: yeah, like, one bad Taco

Tuesday in the mess hall and the

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entire water supply is fucked?

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Like, I refuse to accept that.

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Laura: Yeah, that's interesting.

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And they keep referring to JPs, and

I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't

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know what a JP of, I think it's a unit

of water that they're referring to?

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Xhafer: I don't think it's a

real unit of water, but it might

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Laura: Okay.

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I was like, I

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don't know.

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Xhafer: I, just assumed

that it was made up

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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So this is just a touch of like the

world building jargon of we're just

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going to keep using our acronyms and

we don't necessarily need to explain

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them to the audience right away.

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Like the CAG.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Like we're not going to bother

explaining most of this stuff.

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Laura: Cause you're just

dropped into our world.

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We're not doing this for your benefit.

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Xhafer: Yeah, if you search JP's of

water, the first five things are all

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references to this episode of Battlestar

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Laura: Hilarious.

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Yeah.

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They, they referenced it in the earlier

previous episode when we blew the

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water tanks or whatever, but yeah.

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Xhafer: Wiki says that JP

is never fully defined.

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Laura: Okay.

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I feel better now.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: But yeah, we have not enough

people on Galactica to do this

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and Our civilian fleet presumably

doesn't have a bunch of, like,

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tough guy, 1, 000 of them,

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Xhafer: No construction

cruise ships made it.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, the oil riggers

are, we're all in Caprica.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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man, what a weird, like,

thinking about hard labor.

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In.

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In their society, because

they had replaced it with

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robots, famously, and that went

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Laura: Didn't work out so well.

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Xhafer: Um, so like, the reversion

that would happen then, I would

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think, would be very interesting.

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And this is all within their lifetimes,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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40 years, right?

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That's since the war.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: So, it's like, That's a bunch

of like skilled intense labor that

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not a lot of people can do that you

would have no one trained how to do

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because robots had been doing it.

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I guess we don't know how long the

Cylons were around before they rebelled.

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That might be important for that

because if it's like the Cylons

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were around for like five years,

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Laura: then there's still people

who know what to do and they can

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at least train the next generation

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Xhafer: yeah, well they've only

been out of work for a couple of

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years before the Cylons rebelled.

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Um, If they ever

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Laura: They go back to work.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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cause I think in Caprica, the

prequel show that is both pre

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Cylon, it starts pre Cylon at least.

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And also has commander

Adama as like a child in it.

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: So if it's all

within his lifetime.

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Laura: That they take over a whole

bunch of things and then they rebel

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and then we do the war and then we do

second war all in the life of Adama.

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Yeah, that's,

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Xhafer: So

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Laura: know, that's potential that you

can at least train people on what to do.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Cause if he's like a child then,

and he's like 20 in the first war,

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cause he's young in blood and chrome.

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So.

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Yeah, there'd be people to train.

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It's just interesting to think about.

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Laura: it's interesting to think

about too, if you had all those robots

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taking over, even if it was only five

years or whatever, and we get in this

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war, we get rid of all the robots the

people that can do that technical hard

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labor would be getting paid a lot.

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And I mean, they are now for things

like being on an oil rig in the

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middle of the ocean or whatever.

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You would have to incentivize people

to go take that dangerous work again.

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An economic shock for sure.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I wonder if this is what's

going to end up happening.

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in our society with things like AA art

as it becomes apparent that it cannot

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replace anything useful or be used

instead of, um, or hopefully that's the

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case and not it just gets shoved down

our throats for the rest of our lifetime

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because it's miserable and cheaper.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I feel like I have people on both sides.

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I hate to say both sides because it's such

a loaded phrase these days, but you know,

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I have friends who are like, Oh, I want to

do this creative thing, but I don't have

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enough of my own skill and I don't have

any money to help have someone help me.

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So I use the machine.

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But on the other hand, like,

this is why artists exist.

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And also.

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AI uses a lot of power that we could

be using for other things, and you're

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using it to make memes or whatever.

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Xhafer: So that's actually

a bit of a misnomer.

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It's not that AI uses a lot of

power to make the things or to

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generate your prompts or like do

whatever you're talking about.

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It's that AI used a lot of power

six months ago when they trained

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the thing that is answering your

questions or building your images.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um, which is I know it's like,

it's, it's a sunk cost fallacy, right?

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we've already paid for it though.

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Know, we've already done the,

the time to train the think we've

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already burned all the water out of

the lake to, to run the heat sinks.

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Laura: the more we utilize these things,

though, won't people train more of these

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Xhafer: Exactly.

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Yes.

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No, exactly.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: yeah, it's just, it's more nuanced

than a uh, typing something into chat.

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GPT burns a bottle of water, which

also is a gross exaggeration.

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but regardless.

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Laura: It's tough.

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It's really tough.

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Xhafer: and there are a lot smaller scale

ones that are a lot more eco friendly.

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That's a whole other thing too.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But, I mean, going back

to your original point,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It's an interesting comparison that

I'm sure was present in Ron Moore's

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mind when he was making this show.

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Is that like, how far are

we actually from this stuff?

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I don't know if he foresaw

it being in 20 years.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: But it's kind of interesting

to come back to this show.

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Now, I have a feeling like we

did Babylon five and a lot of our

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stuff was all like, Oh, great.

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You did a really great

job of predicting fascism.

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Great job, Joe

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Laura: yeah.

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Responses to pandemic, yay.

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Xhafer: Yeah, exactly.

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And I wonder if that's going to be the

big takeaway at the end of this for us is.

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Okay, cool.

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Well, AI and stuff that's here now too.

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So, well, it's not AI.

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It's a machine learning model.

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There are big, big differences.

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Laura: But the colloquial term,

unfortunately, is sticking.

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Xhafer: As someone who builds some

of this stuff professionally, like,

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I have a very strong understanding

of how all this stuff works.

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It is not a thinking

machine, I promise you.

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No matter what your brain tells

you, no matter how empathetic

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you may feel, it is just math.

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I promise.

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Laura: was math all along.

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Xhafer: It was math all along.

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All right, so,

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after we talk about what needs to be

done possible solutions come up, the

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labor doesn't exist, so the Astral Queen

is looked to as all like, Hey, everyone

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here was sentenced to hard labor, we

got some hard labor for them to do.

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And then Lee's all like, well,

maybe they'll earn their freedom.

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Hey.

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And Adam is all like, Whoa,

we're not releasing hardened

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criminals into the population.

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And he's all like, Whoa, most

people are here legally, dude.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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So, it's a whole thing, but Lee seems

to get his way with the president here

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and uh, there's a little bit more uh,

Dadmander here insists that someone

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who reports and is loyal to him.

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Be there for the interviews and

as he says it he stares at Lee

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: Like well, you're clearly out of

the structure now son, so make your bed

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and sleep in it and it's just all like

wait This is a lot different than what Lee

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directly Explicitly asked for last episode

at the end where he's all like, I'm still

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going to be in the chain of command.

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I'm still going to report to my dad.

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I'm still just a major.

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She's all like, no,

you're not in the cabinet.

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You're going to help me

understand military stuff and

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how quickly that has changed.

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Laura: Yeah, well, Commander

Adama rejected the premise.

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He was not here for it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And he's got that Big Dad energy,

so he's not gonna just let this go by.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So, we have a thousand

prisoners ish, is that right?

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Was it fifteen hundred?

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Why do I have that number in my head?

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Xhafer: Somewhere around 1,

000 and under 2, 000 prisoners.

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Laura: okay.

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If we agree, can agree

upon those boundaries.

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I'm wondering about genetics.

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Because we think we have forty

something thousand humans left.

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Forty five ish,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think we're at

like 47 on the big board right now.

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Laura: And I don't know enough

about genetics, but I'm wondering

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if Lee has a good point of some of

these people must be rehabilitated

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just purely for genetics reasons.

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Xhafer: I don't think they're there yet.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I won't get too spoil y, but

this is a plot point later in the show.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Do we, have enough

people genetically to maintain

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the human race, is a question

that will be asked by this show.

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So,

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Laura: It seems like that has to come

up at some point, and these people Might

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have to be involved in that in some way.

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Like, we might have to figure out

how to reintroduce somebody, at

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least some of this population.

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Xhafer: At one point, one of the more

science y people in the show does the

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math and comes up with a hard number.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It feels like Gaius should have already

been thinking about that, but it's

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Xhafer: I mean, Gaius can just see it

as an excuse to fuck around, I'm sure.

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That's his way.

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Laura: Gaius sucks.

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Xhafer: Um, so, uh, they're

talking about this officer, Billy

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gets Juwalla assigned to it,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Weird.

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Weird.

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Xhafer: got a little crush.

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and uh, Commander Adama tells

Captain Adama how he really

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feels as they walk out of there.

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Lee goes to the Astral Queen for

some volunteers and Tom Zarek, known

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terrorist, steps out to decline the offer.

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Now, do you know this guy?

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Laura: I don't know this guy.

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Xhafer: This is Richard Hatch.

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He played Apollo in the

original Battlestar Galactica.

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So I did a little bit of

research on the OG Galactica.

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There were only 24 episodes of the

original Battlestar Galactica show.

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Laura: Oh, wow.

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I had in my head that it

ran for a few seasons,

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Xhafer: It, it ran for one

season in:

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Went off the air, was 80, um, which is

where they land on Earth, because it

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was much cheaper to produce, because

the reason it was cancelled so quick

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is because it was so expensive.

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Laura: Fair.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Hatch was in all kinds of

80s TV, after Battlestar Galactica.

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It really kicked his career off.

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He worked with all kinds of famous actors.

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Laura: you didn't happen to see if he

was credited an airwolf at all, did you?

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Xhafer: Um, I should have checked.

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Uh, And then after this bit,

we finally hit our credits.

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We are 20 percent of the

way through this episode.

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And we just hit our theme song.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: you know,

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It's just like nine minutes to theme this

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Laura: Yeah.

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So interesting.

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Xhafer: after this, Billy and D

give us some backstory on Tom Zarek.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Not enough, though.

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I feel like I don't know enough about

him yet, but it seems like you indicated

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he would this is a recurring person.

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Xhafer: he is a recurring character.

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Um, Honestly, I figured you would have

a lot more to say about this situation.

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Laura: gosh.

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I don't have any opinions, honestly

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's, it's a lot

Given Tom Zarek is a terrorist

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who bombed a government building,

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Laura: right?

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Yeah, no, I mean, the problem I have with

having an opinion about Tom Zarek easy

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to have an opinion about Timothy McVeigh

because I have a ton of context, right?

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Xhafer: yeah.

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No, that's fair.

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Laura: I have no context about

Tom Zarek Billy and Douala are

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clearly of opposite opinions,

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uh.

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like, Billy kind of admires him

somehow, and it's funny because Billy

406

:

is part of the current establishment,

407

:

Xhafer: Yes.

408

:

Laura: Presumably that Tom Zarek is

unhappy with, and Billy is kind of

409

:

looking up to him, whereas Duala has,

you know, It's the feeling of the person

410

:

on the ground who was sort of subjected

to the terror and says no, this is, no,

411

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

412

:

Laura: no circumstances is acceptable.

413

:

But I really don't know

enough about this government.

414

:

To feel any sort of way

about what he was doing, or

415

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

416

:

Laura: I don't know, man, because

I feel like there's little seeds

417

:

planted everywhere to me that this

human society is not what it appears,

418

:

or You know, there's a shine on

it that if you just scratch the

419

:

surface, it's, it's rotten underneath.

420

:

So I don't know, actually,

how I feel about Tom Zarek.

421

:

Xhafer: No, that's fair.

422

:

I just don't feel like I have

any space to comment on it.

423

:

Laura: I know it's, it's one of the,

this whole episode, I feel like I

424

:

don't have any space to comment on it.

425

:

It's so complicated and I don't

feel like I've put the work in to

426

:

understand some of these human issues.

427

:

Xhafer: Fair enough.

428

:

Laura: It's very interesting though.

429

:

I'm happy to talk about it.

430

:

I just don't want to be

an ass about it either.

431

:

Xhafer: yeah.

432

:

Well, that's the line.

433

:

Callie's like, we should probably

just give up on this, but Lee

434

:

wants to go talk to Zarek.

435

:

We go back to Caprica after this.

436

:

It is day 12 since C Day.

437

:

Laura: Yeah.

438

:

Does that mean it's day

12 for Galactica as well?

439

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

440

:

Laura: So they are running

in concurrent time,

441

:

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, so, yeah,

they're running into current time.

442

:

And Hilo left right

after the initial attack.

443

:

Laura: yeah.

444

:

Xhafer: they knew what

445

:

Laura: so,

446

:

how many days did we spend just jumping?

447

:

Xhafer: 5 and a half.

448

:

Laura: So, if it's 12 days, we've

had about a week of, quote, normalcy.

449

:

Xhafer: yep.

450

:

Laura: I don't feel like anybody is

going to be doing their best for a while.

451

:

Xhafer: Nor should

452

:

they be, it's, it's fucked, yeah.

453

:

Laura: Okay, but anyway, so

Hilo and Sharon are looking for

454

:

people and we see 6PT and Doryl.

455

:

Or do we want to call her

6PT if she's on Caprica?

456

:

Xhafer: I have been saving the

6PT to be exclusively the 6

457

:

that only interacts with Baltar.

458

:

Laura: with Gaius.

459

:

Xhafer: It's the one who helps

him do his homework, so she's 6PT.

460

:

Laura: Oh, good.

461

:

I like that.

462

:

Xhafer: So yeah, Adoral and A6 are

watching in an empty city here.

463

:

Laura: Again, six is a little

bit sad and sympathetic,

464

:

I think.

465

:

And Doral is much more pragmatic.

466

:

Six is talking about

humanity as their parent.

467

:

And Doral is saying that parents

must die for children to thrive.

468

:

Xhafer: I

469

:

mean, that's, that's an attitude.

470

:

Laura: It's an attitude.

471

:

I don't know.

472

:

Sometimes I feel that way about

our government filled with.

473

:

Octogenarians.

474

:

Xhafer: Mm.

475

:

Mm.

476

:

Laura: maybe die is too strong a word,

but you understand the poetic license.

477

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

478

:

Laura: For

479

:

Xhafer: Lee talks to Tom, who

is clearly trying to guilt

480

:

Lee with every action here.

481

:

Lee mentions reading Tom's

banned book, while something else

482

:

starts to happen around them.

483

:

The prisoners take control, and Lee

fights off a few before getting tackled.

484

:

While this is going on, Billy

and Dee are talking about.

485

:

Uh, How large Billy's mouth must be to be

able to fit his giant feet inside of them.

486

:

Heh

487

:

Laura: Yeah.

488

:

Billy is not good with women.

489

:

I think I said that in a previous

episode and I stand by this statement.

490

:

I'm getting vibes though from

Tom Zarek a little bit about

491

:

like chaos is a ladder from

492

:

Peter Baelish in the Game of

Thrones, like he sees this as

493

:

like, well, this is my opportunity

to wreak havoc and change things.

494

:

But I'm pretty sure that's how more people

die, Tom, and we kind of need all of them.

495

:

We haven't done the genetics

yet, so we don't really know,

496

:

but I think we need all of them.

497

:

Xhafer: Gonna need most of them, for sure.

498

:

Laura: So I don't feel

like that's very smart.

499

:

I'm not getting like.

500

:

sharpest knife in the

drawer off of Tom Zarek.

501

:

Xhafer: yeah.

502

:

Laura: I'm getting a lot of confidence.

503

:

Xhafer: hmm.

504

:

Laura: Not necessarily the brains.

505

:

Xhafer: Don't remember Tom

Zarek being a dumb guy, um,

506

:

Laura: I'm not saying he's

like a dum dum, but yeah.

507

:

Xhafer: but also like his role

and character evolve a lot

508

:

over the course of the show.

509

:

Um, so a little bit of outside of the

series backstory, Richard Hatch spent most

510

:

of the late nineties trying to convince.

511

:

NBC or anyone who would listen to do a

Battlestar Galactica sequel, not a reboot

512

:

but a sequel to the uh, 79 series that

would erase Battlestar 80 from Cannon,

513

:

Laura: Okay.

514

:

I haven't heard anything good about 80.

515

:

So

516

:

Xhafer: to the point where he mortgaged

his house to fund the production of

517

:

a trailer to try and drum interest.

518

:

Laura: that's belief.

519

:

Xhafer: and so he does all of this work,

and then NBC, who has the TV rights,

520

:

announces that they're doing a reboot,

and they're putting Ron Moore in charge.

521

:

And Richard Hatch was

initially not chill about this.

522

:

Not that he should have been, to be clear.

523

:

He was definitely fucked by the studio.

524

:

Laura: He was a true believer too.

525

:

Xhafer: I will never, you know,

urge you to give sympathy to

526

:

a megacorporation listener.

527

:

I don't think anyone who's listened

to more than 30 minutes of me

528

:

talking would feel that way.

529

:

Um, but he did, he did

kind of get screwed there.

530

:

Um, but Ron Moore made a point of kind of

reaching out and trying to make it right.

531

:

Um, and bridge the gap.

532

:

And so Richard Hatch coming on this show,

Was big steps and then him signing off on

533

:

the re imagining as much as he has, you

know, like there was a long time where the

534

:

only existing Battlestar Galactica fandom

had an outlet because of Richard Hatch.

535

:

He was personally financing

fan conventions for Battlestar

536

:

Galactica and running them.

537

:

Like he was really, really

trying to get people.

538

:

Into it again and to have it have a

renaissance and it did and he was a

539

:

part of it But it was also not his

show not his vision Not his character

540

:

um, and so I can't

imagine That feels good.

541

:

And I don't think if I were in

his position I would have been

542

:

involved in the reboot in any way.

543

:

Laura: Yeah.

544

:

I admire Ron more.

545

:

Making that connection then and

also I feel like this role is

546

:

really written to his strengths

and maybe even a little therapeutic

547

:

Xhafer: You're not wrong There's

definitely shades of that of like we need

548

:

to tear whatever's going on down You We

need to follow the will of the people.

549

:

Like it rings with a slightly

different voice with that backstory.

550

:

Laura: I love that context.

551

:

I love it.

552

:

Can I tell you what I

wrote about the next scene?

553

:

So we go over back to Galactica

554

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

555

:

Laura: and Starbuck roasts Gaius.

556

:

Then she roasts Flattop.

557

:

Tai is not amused.

558

:

She roasts him too.

559

:

Xhafer: Yep.

560

:

Laura: Those are my notes.

561

:

Xhafer: Yep.

562

:

I wrote Ty is a dick and

Kara is spicy about it.

563

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

564

:

So, Flattop, I guess, has been coming

in a little hot on his landings, right?

565

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

566

:

Laura: And she gives him some shit

about that since, you know, Apollo's

567

:

off doing other things, so she's

in charge of this meeting, I guess.

568

:

I don't know.

569

:

And, Flattop gets kind of,

like, joked about, but, yeah.

570

:

I think he also gets the point.

571

:

Like, sometimes it's okay to just,

like, give somebody a little shit to

572

:

lightly tell them, like, knock it off.

573

:

And uh, Tai wants it to be all business

all the time, except in his personal

574

:

time when he is drinking a bunch.

575

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

576

:

Zarek tells Lee it's time to talk

about his daddy issues, as Baltar

577

:

gets grilled by the commander

about the lack of a Cylon detector.

578

:

Laura: It's about time somebody

called him on his bullshit.

579

:

Xhafer: yeah, he tries

to get out of it here,

580

:

Laura: Yeah.

581

:

Xhafer: But is immediately rebuked,

and 6PT to the rescue, Or maybe not

582

:

because she urges him to ask for a nuke

in order to build the Cylon detector.

583

:

Laura: She gets scary.

584

:

Xhafer: she gets scary.

585

:

now we've been talking about what exactly

is going on with Baltar in 6PT, right?

586

:

We haven't really come up

with anything definitive.

587

:

You know, I feel like it's been kind of

like I could see it going either way.

588

:

Um,

589

:

Laura: could be friend, could be

foe, could be internal manifestation,

590

:

could be microchip in brain.

591

:

Xhafer: yeah.

592

:

I've been

593

:

trying to devil's advocate

a little bit on that too.

594

:

Whenever you'd say one thing I

would try to be all like, well

595

:

maybe it's the other thing.

596

:

Um, do you have, as a first time viewer

of the series, with this scene in

597

:

particular, Does this scene change your

opinion at all on what is going on with

598

:

Baltar and 6BT watching 6 manipulate him

so easily into getting a nuclear warhead?

599

:

Laura: It sure seems

sinister at this point.

600

:

It sure seems like microchip in

brain rather than his subconscious

601

:

trying to help him figure stuff out.

602

:

I mean, he does bullshit a quick,

thing about, well, you know, the

603

:

warheads have plutonium and we know

Cylons have a problem with radiation.

604

:

And so I need the plutonium in order

to, you know, use in the detector thing.

605

:

And that seems almost

plausible, like maybe.

606

:

Maybe it is just like his subconscious

bullying him into thinking about

607

:

the things he doesn't want to think

about because they're uncomfortable.

608

:

Or, maybe, you know, she's going

to have him explode a bomb.

609

:

Don't know.

610

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it could really

go either way with this scene

611

:

and that's what makes it so fucking good.

612

:

Laura: Yeah, you can talk yourself

into anything at this point.

613

:

Xhafer: I think this scene is really

designed in a way where It's meant to

614

:

make you change your mind about it.

615

:

And it does it so well, so cleverly

that it doesn't matter what your

616

:

opinion was before going into this.

617

:

It's designed to make you

go, Oh, well, this is okay.

618

:

Well, I thought it was a subconscious,

but that's a really weird request.

619

:

And this is bad or, or I really

thought it was a chip, but also he

620

:

actually has the answer without her.

621

:

Like, and it all makes sense, I

think it does a really good job

622

:

of trying to make you feel the

opposite of however you were feeling.

623

:

And to write that succinctly, and

that well, and for it to be acted

624

:

as well as it is, and everything

else that had to come together for

625

:

that to happen is just astounding.

626

:

Um, Like sometimes I'm like, man,

you know, maybe I could, I could

627

:

write a TV show or something.

628

:

I have a decent understanding of

the medium and I come up with things

629

:

that are somewhat clever sometimes.

630

:

And I could maybe tell an interesting

story and then I see shit like

631

:

this and I'm just all like,

632

:

Laura: Yeah.

633

:

No.

634

:

I haven't thought hard enough

about anything to do that.

635

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

636

:

Laura: Yeah.

637

:

No, it is really masterful.

638

:

Like, I think the only

reason I am not sure still.

639

:

I'm trying not to anchor to anything.

640

:

Uh, and I think part of it is just like

starting this program this last semester.

641

:

I feel like it's a mistake to ever

think I know anything for sure.

642

:

so I don't know if I would have had

the same skepticism a year ago where

643

:

I'm there going, I can't call it yet.

644

:

You know?

645

:

Xhafer: Zarek asked the wedge.

646

:

How the driving the commander

and the president apart is going.

647

:

And Lee is a lot less fun to Tom

when he isn't being a selfish bitch.

648

:

Bombing that government building

is okay, but when I'm the hostage,

649

:

I'm going to take the high ground.

650

:

Okay.

651

:

Lee.

652

:

Laura: Yeah, Lee, Lee has got a lot of

growing to do and I, don't love patriarchy

653

:

as we know and Adama is kind of giving

the whole scene, the whole vibe, the

654

:

whole patriarchy just in his thing.

655

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

656

:

Laura: And so I am a little more

inclined to be empathetic to Apollo.

657

:

But also, he is very inexperienced

and it is very obvious.

658

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

659

:

Laura: also, back on Galactica,

Ty catches Tyrell and Boomer

660

:

and orders her to knock it off.

661

:

She is Tyrell's superior and,

uh, shouldn't be doing this.

662

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she's an officer.

663

:

He's enlisted.

664

:

This is a no no.

665

:

Laura: I honestly hadn't paid enough

attention to, like, titles and ranks

666

:

and other things And she was so, like,

submissive and scared in the last episode,

667

:

I thought it was the other way around.

668

:

Xhafer: nope.

669

:

Uh, He is Miles O'Brien, effectively.

670

:

Laura: Okay.

671

:

Xhafer: He is Chief Petty Officer.

672

:

Unenlisted.

673

:

Didn't go to the Academy.

674

:

Laura: Yeah.

675

:

Xhafer: Always suffers.

676

:

He really is just

677

:

Gaelic, Valy Irish, like

678

:

Ron Moore wrote on both shows, like,

679

:

Laura: Oh, that is true.

680

:

Yeah.

681

:

Xhafer: putting this all

together in my head right now.

682

:

Verbal processing.

683

:

Yeah.

684

:

Huh.

685

:

Laura: Yeah.

686

:

Yeah, no, I hadn't, she was so like,

Oh, I just don't know what's going on

687

:

and jet bombs and I, I'm really not

impressed with Boomer and Tyrell at all.

688

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

689

:

I will say Tyrell is among my

favorite characters in the show.

690

:

Laura: Okay.

691

:

Xhafer: At least from the initial viewing.

692

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

693

:

Xhafer: And we get to meet one of

my other favorite characters next

694

:

episode, but we'll talk about that.

695

:

Later.

696

:

Like, next week.

697

:

So, uh, Zarek makes his demands known.

698

:

He wants free and open

elections immediately.

699

:

As we said before, it has been one

week, seven days since the fleet

700

:

was jumping every 33 minutes.

701

:

Laura: Right.

702

:

And I said normalcy with

air quotes around it.

703

:

One week of normalcy where we lost

a whole bunch of water and we had to

704

:

shoot down a possibly enemy combatant

ship filled with nukes, like it

705

:

has not been a very normal week.

706

:

Crisis is not over.

707

:

And crisis time is not election time.

708

:

Xhafer: Typically, no.

709

:

Laura: If it's not on a normal

schedule, like, I mean if you're

710

:

having a crisis but you have a normally

scheduled election, I think you

711

:

should probably go through with that.

712

:

But I don't know.

713

:

Xhafer: I mean, crisis time,

historically speaking, with election

714

:

time is not good for the elections.

715

:

It, it, it never really works out

in the best interest of the people.

716

:

Laura: And this is why you have, in

the law, set up a succession plan.

717

:

Like, everything was legal.

718

:

It was predetermined that

like, this is how this is going

719

:

to go if something goes bad.

720

:

And then you get back on the schedule.

721

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

722

:

Laura: Zarek just wants chaos

as a ladder at this point.

723

:

Xhafer: I wish Scott were here

to ask about the logistics of

724

:

an election for 50, 000 people.

725

:

Laura: Yeah, me too.

726

:

Xhafer: That was actually

something I was really looking

727

:

forward to talking to him about.

728

:

Laura: Yeah,

729

:

in this environment.

730

:

Xhafer: yeah.

731

:

The President and the Commander discuss

the situation, and we won't be negotiating

732

:

with these terrorists since there's

no political gain for us this time.

733

:

Fuck you, Ronnie.

734

:

Laura: I mean, I would

hate to be Laura Roslin.

735

:

Like, this is just the worst.

736

:

She's in the worst position of

anyone, I think, on the show.

737

:

Xhafer: Yeah, and it wasn't bad

enough, so they gave her cancer.

738

:

Laura: Huh.

739

:

Xhafer: It's bad.

740

:

Laura: Yeah.

741

:

I mean, she's right to be concerned

about destabilization and terrorism,

742

:

but I don't know how you make any

right decision in this context.

743

:

I have no idea what's right.

744

:

And I don't think anybody

does until they're done.

745

:

Till it's already happened.

746

:

Xhafer: Hindsight is 20 20.

747

:

Starbuck is also a sniper?

748

:

Yeah.

749

:

Laura: Crack pilot.

750

:

Apparently she was also a great

teacher, which, you know, we can talk

751

:

about next week uh, and a sniper.

752

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a bit much.

753

:

Yeah.

754

:

The, the overlap of flying a plane and

shooting it and firing a gun separately,

755

:

I don't believe that that's, like, I would

756

:

Laura: There's not enough in

that Venn diagram to like,

757

:

Xhafer: like, okay, so you

are really good at horseback

758

:

archery, hypothetically, right?

759

:

Laura: hmm.

760

:

Yeah.

761

:

Xhafer: Would you be

good shooting a pistol?

762

:

Laura: Yeah,

763

:

Xhafer: When we say it like that!

764

:

Laura: yeah.

765

:

I have to wonder.

766

:

Xhafer: Um, but, so she's

going in with the Marines.

767

:

I do believe that she's probably the

best marksman alive at the moment.

768

:

That's fair to me.

769

:

I don't know if she was actually

770

:

Laura: yeah.

771

:

Xhafer: And if she's

just using bravado here.

772

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah,

773

:

Xhafer: So we go back to

the Astral Queen here.

774

:

And Duala is all talking heads,

asking Billy, how did I get here?

775

:

Laura: yeah.

776

:

He admits that he's the source.

777

:

He volunteered her for this.

778

:

Callie starts getting

shit from a prisoner.

779

:

I think we get his name, but

780

:

Xhafer: I just wrote his

name as Creepy Motherfucker.

781

:

And my exact note is some

creepy motherfucker is

782

:

motherfuckin creepy to Callie.

783

:

Laura: yeah.

784

:

Xhafer: Yep, fuck this guy.

785

:

Laura: Yeah, this isn't really

lending toward the political

786

:

prisoners argument this guy actually

seems violent and dangerous.

787

:

Xhafer: Yes.

788

:

Laura: And the fact that he's

also so close to Zarek doesn't

789

:

really speak well for Zarek.

790

:

Xhafer: For sure, it's

meant to be a detractor.

791

:

It does it's job, uh,

well, for the story there.

792

:

Um,

793

:

Laura: And then we get Tom Zarek being

all buttery emails about Rosalyn,

794

:

Xhafer: yep.

795

:

Laura: And hassles Apollo

about his call sign.

796

:

I didn't realize that Apollo

was considered one of the gods.

797

:

Xhafer: Yes, so, in Battlestar, most

of their gods are just the Greek gods.

798

:

Laura: Okay.

799

:

The lords of Kobol.

800

:

Xhafer: Yeah, the Lords of Kobol are

just the Greek gods, effectively.

801

:

Same names, same stuff.

802

:

If there's any differences, there might

be, but I don't recall them offhand.

803

:

Laura: So Adama calls in as

like, the Stahl technique, right?

804

:

Xhafer: yeah.

805

:

Zarek knows what's going on

though, this is a play by play

806

:

to buy some time for troops.

807

:

Callie gets grabbed by Creepy McFuckface.

808

:

As Lee figures Derek is doing all of

this just so that he can die a martyr.

809

:

And the Marines roll in.

810

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know if I was

totally convinced on the martyr thing.

811

:

I thought more of, like,

the Peter Baelish angle.

812

:

Like, I'm using disruption

to claw my way to the top.

813

:

But, okay, sure.

814

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

815

:

Laura: It, martyr, why not?

816

:

I mean, who wants to be around

for all this Cylon shit anyway?

817

:

Like,

818

:

Xhafer: Not wrong.

819

:

Laura: might as well.

820

:

Um, yeah.

821

:

So, Creepy McFuckface is definitely

giving the rapey vibes, yes.

822

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

823

:

Um, nothing is shown

explicitly or really explained.

824

:

off.

825

:

Laura: Fair.

826

:

Xhafer: And he shot Callie for it.

827

:

Laura: Yeah.

828

:

He did have a gun, but I understand.

829

:

Cali's definitely, like, tougher

than she had led on to this point.

830

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

831

:

But uh, before he can shoot

Callie again here, Lee grabs a

832

:

gun, kills him, and gets Zarek.

833

:

And then he tells Tom what's gonna happen.

834

:

Tom Zarek won't be a martyr.

835

:

The prisoners will work for their

freedom, and there eventually will be

836

:

elections, because the government needs

the consent of people to be legitimate.

837

:

Laura: Sure.

838

:

Xhafer: The Astral Queen is going

to remain with the prisoners, so

839

:

they can fuck off if they want.

840

:

And Zarek agrees, Starbuck finally gets

her shot, but Lee notices and saves him.

841

:

Laura: Yeah.

842

:

I think that Tom Zarek is incredibly

short sighted in this, like, trying

843

:

to get himself killed and cause this

more chaos in the name of, like,

844

:

getting better government or whatever.

845

:

Because the stakes here aren't

presumably the stakes that you

846

:

and I would be operating under.

847

:

They're the fact that there is a

boogeyman chasing us throughout

848

:

the galaxy, trying to kill us all.

849

:

And the more chaos that is involved

in that, the more people we're going

850

:

to lose and the less likely chance we

have of the whole species surviving.

851

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

852

:

Laura: So I don't think

Tom Zarek's plan is good.

853

:

And I think Apollo is coming up with,

like, the best compromise he can

854

:

at this point.

855

:

Xhafer: And also, it's like, worth

mentioning, how much does Tom Zarek know

856

:

about what's actually going on right now?

857

:

Like, as a prisoner on

a ship, you probably

858

:

know about all the jumping.

859

:

You probably know the Cylons attacked.

860

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

861

:

Xhafer: Uh, He clearly knows

Rosalyn is the president.

862

:

He knows that For some reason he knows

that it's the Galactica out there

863

:

saving them and who the commander of the

Galactica is and that Lee is his son.

864

:

I would not expect civilians to know that.

865

:

Laura: Yeah, it makes you wonder,

like, how much did the general

866

:

population know about the Galactica?

867

:

Like, if the Galactica is just that

famous, and, you know, So, okay,

868

:

yeah, I know for sure that Adama

is in charge of the Galactica.

869

:

I know, kind of, that it was

a historical thing because we

870

:

were turning it into a museum.

871

:

And does he know about Apollo

through that knowledge or does he

872

:

just see this guy and be like, oh,

that's definitely his son, you know?

873

:

Xhafer: Yeah, like, well I mean it's

also just like, how famous is Adama?

874

:

Right?

875

:

Because he was a war hero.

876

:

In the first war, like people know

him is he like equivalent to level

877

:

famous of like a Douglas MacArthur in

like the fifties or sixties, like, you

878

:

know, is he a full on like Eisenhower?

879

:

Laura: Yeah.

880

:

Great question.

881

:

Xhafer: and we will never know

because I guess it's too far

882

:

removed from the reality of the

show at this point, you know?

883

:

But it is curious to know that he

would know Lea Dama and go, Oh,

884

:

well you're Commander Dama's son,

and that he's the captain of the

885

:

Galactica, And, like, it's just, It's

886

:

Laura: Yeah.

887

:

I, I guess I'm not, I'm not put off by it.

888

:

I can headcanon pretty easily that

like, the captain of the astral queen

889

:

talks to the guards about what's

going on and the guards are in an

890

:

unprecedented situation and so they

jab with the prisoners a little bit

891

:

and kind of like, hey, this is so wild.

892

:

Like, you know, we're all shell

shocked and here's what's going on.

893

:

So, I mean, I can squish it around.

894

:

Um, really quick to like, okay,

here's why he knows everything.

895

:

And clearly he had a man on the inside.

896

:

Because one of the guards

let them all out, right?

897

:

So

898

:

that guy probably fed him

everything that he knew.

899

:

Xhafer: Uh, We got over to

Colonial One, Lee reports to

900

:

the President and Commander,

and they are both pissed at him.

901

:

Laura: Yeah.

902

:

Mom and dad are so mad.

903

:

Xhafer: Right.

904

:

There's gonna be an election in seven

months, when there should have been one.

905

:

Laura: Yeah.

906

:

So he's saying we've got

to stick to the schedule.

907

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

908

:

Laura: Makes me really wonder if Mr.

909

:

Zarek is going to be our.

910

:

Opponent for Laura Roslin.

911

:

Xhafer: We'll find out

if the election happens.

912

:

Laura: I was like, oh,

are we setting that up?

913

:

That he's gonna like, get himself a

following and try to take her down?

914

:

Except that he is a felon.

915

:

I don't know what the rules are

about that in this society, so.

916

:

Xhafer: They're not really

pert important in our society.

917

:

We'll see.

918

:

Laura: We

919

:

won't let you vote.

920

:

but you can run for things.

921

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

922

:

Mm hmm.

923

:

Laura: Yeah.

924

:

Anyway.

925

:

Oh

926

:

Xhafer: Kara goes to see Ty and

gives him some water and a flask.

927

:

She tries to kind of mend things

here, but he's not receptive.

928

:

Laura: He's, this is where he

says it, that his flaws are

929

:

personal, not professional.

930

:

And I take exception with that.

931

:

Xhafer: Yeah, you should.

932

:

It's bullshit.

933

:

Yeah.

934

:

Laura: mean, as a, Like, chartered

professional, certified by the state

935

:

of Oklahoma, I have some personal

standards I have to maintain, or

936

:

I will lose my certification, sir.

937

:

Just because you're in the military, you

get an exception from that, you think?

938

:

Hmm.

939

:

I don't know.

940

:

not into it, Mr.

941

:

Tye.

942

:

Xhafer: after this we see Callie

in the ER, she's recovering.

943

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

944

:

She's a hero.

945

:

I feel weird about Tyrell

patronizing her here.

946

:

He gives her like a, that's

my girl or something.

947

:

And I'm like, fuck off.

948

:

Xhafer: yeah, it's, it's a lot.

949

:

Laura: I was not impressed with that.

950

:

Xhafer: Lee and Rosalind talk, he

apologizes if she felt betrayed.

951

:

And he affirms that he will be voting

for her in the coming election.

952

:

Laura: Oh, cool.

953

:

Sure.

954

:

Great.

955

:

You have one vote.

956

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

957

:

I mean,

958

:

Laura: she feels.

959

:

Xhafer: I get it, like, of

the principles to stand on.

960

:

That's A

961

:

Laura: not bad.

962

:

She does admire his commitment to the law.

963

:

Like, she's got a lot on her plate,

but it is nice to know that the

964

:

people around you have standards.

965

:

Did you love her cool book she's reading?

966

:

Xhafer: What book was it?

967

:

I missed

968

:

Laura: She's just reading a

book, but it had the corners cut.

969

:

Xhafer: Oh, yep, they all do.

970

:

Laura: This is great.

971

:

I love the corners.

972

:

So she finally comes clean to Lee

that Well, you've committed me to

973

:

an election in seven months, but I

might not be here in seven months.

974

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I've got Cancer.

975

:

She, she tells him he's the second

person in the fleet to know.

976

:

It's just him and Billy right now.

977

:

Laura: Oh, yeah, I was struggling for

a second to remember who the first was,

978

:

but it would be Billy, wouldn't it?

979

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

980

:

Laura: so she swears him to secrecy

and says, like, That's why I need to

981

:

see Galactica's doctor, like, soon.

982

:

Xhafer: Yep, and that's the episode.

983

:

Laura: I feel like Every

episode is a cliffhanger.

984

:

Every episode is leaving

me needing another one.

985

:

Xhafer: That show's real good.

986

:

Laura: Yeah.

987

:

Xhafer: So, on a scale of 1 to 12

colonies, Or would you rate this one?

988

:

Hehehehe

989

:

Laura: It left me with so many things

that it was like, I, I don't know

990

:

how to have an opinion about this.

991

:

I'm not smart enough to

have an opinion about this.

992

:

But it's stuff we need to think about

and I'm worried about and You know,

993

:

if you can put it into our modern

context, it's scary as fuck, right?

994

:

Xhafer: Hehehehe For sure

995

:

Laura: Um, you know, just thinking

about the problems that we have today

996

:

with the prison system and justice

and maybe elections, who knows?

997

:

I, I'll give it I mean, it's

certainly above average.

998

:

Um, well, I don't even know what

average is for this show yet.

999

:

Uh, but for my standards of like

all shows, this is above average.

:

00:50:53,395 --> 00:50:54,975

so I think I could give this like a 10.

:

00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,860

Xhafer: This does a lot of really good

world building Um, it does a lot of good

:

00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,655

setting the stage for the rest of the

season, and there's some stuff in here

:

00:51:06,655 --> 00:51:09,715

that's very apparent that it's table

setting for the rest of the season,

:

00:51:10,045 --> 00:51:11,835

and we're given timelines on things.

:

00:51:12,075 --> 00:51:17,485

But there's other things that are

more innocuous that are also table

:

00:51:17,495 --> 00:51:19,255

setting for future plotlines.

:

00:51:20,105 --> 00:51:23,765

And that's the kind of

stuff I always appreciate.

:

00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:27,420

And I always really feel

good about in an episode.

:

00:51:27,762 --> 00:51:32,432

I mean the fact that there is a scene

in this episode that is so good that

:

00:51:32,432 --> 00:51:36,062

it makes me doubt my ability to write

television in an effective manner.

:

00:51:36,062 --> 00:51:40,062

Like why would, not even, not even my

ability to, but like, why would I bother?

:

00:51:40,092 --> 00:51:42,212

Cause I'm never going to come

up with anything this good.

:

00:51:42,712 --> 00:51:44,782

Means I've got to give it high marks.

:

00:51:45,152 --> 00:51:45,502

Right.

:

00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:51,023

So I'm going to go ahead and

give this a uh, 11 out of 12.

:

00:51:51,394 --> 00:51:51,754

Laura: Okay.

:

00:51:51,939 --> 00:51:52,619

Xhafer: good app.

:

00:51:53,384 --> 00:51:53,824

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:51:54,034 --> 00:51:54,744

Really good.

:

00:51:54,944 --> 00:51:59,054

A lot of thinking material in

there and it's uncomfortable.

:

00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:04,728

Xhafer: Speaking of uncomfortable,

next week we've got Season 1,

:

00:52:05,358 --> 00:52:08,898

Episode 4, Act of Contrition.

:

00:52:09,928 --> 00:52:16,408

A crisis forces Commander Adama, Lea

Adama, and Cara Thrace to finally face a

:

00:52:16,418 --> 00:52:19,998

ghost from the past, the late Zack Adama.

:

00:52:24,138 --> 00:52:25,748

Ope, indeed.

:

00:52:26,675 --> 00:52:29,595

Well, we'll be talking

about that one next week.

:

00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:38,660

But we have to say a couple of thank yous

before we Shuff off the podcast coil and

:

00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,880

retreat from your ears for seven days.

:

00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:44,870

And the first of those thanks, as

always, is to Jeremy Siegel for

:

00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:48,310

composing our lovely new theme music.

:

00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:52,120

Thanks so much for putting that together

and thanks so much for doing the original

:

00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,630

Who Are You theme as well, Jeremy.

:

00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:57,620

We appreciate the hell out of

you and all the work you do.

:

00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:59,020

I hope you have a really great new year.

:

00:52:59,495 --> 00:53:02,335

I saw you got to play a New

Year's Eve gig, which is always a

:

00:53:02,335 --> 00:53:02,965

blast.

:

00:53:03,305 --> 00:53:05,475

I did one of those back

in my grunge band days.

:

00:53:05,685 --> 00:53:07,715

It looked like a whole lot of fun.

:

00:53:07,945 --> 00:53:10,245

I hope you had a great

time, and thanks so much.

:

00:53:10,245 --> 00:53:13,955

You can find more of Jeremy's

work online, jeremysingle482.

:

00:53:14,055 --> 00:53:14,375

bandcamp.

:

00:53:14,375 --> 00:53:19,385

com, Needler Jaguar, and probably like

five or six other bands on Spotify

:

00:53:19,385 --> 00:53:21,475

that I should get a list of from him

:

00:53:21,875 --> 00:53:22,535

at this point.

:

00:53:22,865 --> 00:53:24,165

Yeah, we're gonna need a list, Jeremy.

:

00:53:24,165 --> 00:53:27,755

You have to send us a list of all the

things you want us to put out there

:

00:53:27,755 --> 00:53:29,185

and we will put them out every time.

:

00:53:29,225 --> 00:53:29,675

All right.

:

00:53:29,825 --> 00:53:30,145

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:53:30,245 --> 00:53:30,625

Xhafer: much.

:

00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:33,180

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

:

00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:34,610

for the podcast artwork.

:

00:53:34,905 --> 00:53:37,175

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this episode.

:

00:53:37,175 --> 00:53:37,795

Probably.

:

00:53:38,355 --> 00:53:41,775

Um, yeah, I don't know if you're

going to edit this episode or

:

00:53:41,775 --> 00:53:46,245

a different one of the same

coverage, but you know, thank you.

:

00:53:46,503 --> 00:53:47,463

Laura: We put you through a lot.

:

00:53:47,493 --> 00:53:48,383

We appreciate it.

:

00:53:48,818 --> 00:53:50,968

Yeah, and thank you to you,

the listener, for being here.

:

00:53:50,968 --> 00:53:53,953

I hope you're enjoying Battlestar

as much as I am so far.

:

00:53:54,283 --> 00:53:54,843

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:55,103 --> 00:53:57,923

Laura: And uh, if you want to

find us, I hope that we've gotten

:

00:53:57,923 --> 00:53:59,493

the discord up in more places.

:

00:53:59,513 --> 00:54:02,843

I think we were working on making

sure we had the right kind of link

:

00:54:02,933 --> 00:54:07,073

to go on the show notes, but it is

on the website now if you need that.

:

00:54:07,273 --> 00:54:07,653

Xhafer: Cool.

:

00:54:07,879 --> 00:54:08,909

And we'll see you next week, internet.

:

00:54:09,094 --> 00:54:09,844

Laura: Bye!

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.