Episode 194

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12th Nov 2025

BSG S3E5 - Just a Little Oedipus

Laura and Xhafer may be sick and tired, but all the more reason to chat BSG with friends. Laura calls out Starbuck's toxic masculinity. Xhafer gives a shoutout to his spreadsheet homies. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 5: Collaborators.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two, almost sick,

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very tired friends who are gonna watch

this episode of:

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I'm Jair

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and

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is everything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Um, now I think,

are you, are you sick?

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'cause I was talk, Beths had said you

were feeling a little under the weather.

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Laura: I was,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: Evie came down with,

you know, standard issue

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daycare, cold on like Thursday.

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Woke up very stuffy on Friday

and I like made it through

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all my morning shit on Friday.

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And then the second my morning shit was

over and I was like sitting in the office

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by myself for a moment, I went, oh no.

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It's like I feel it in the back

of my throat where the sinuses

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strain, it's starting to come on.

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And I was like texting Aaron.

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I had one more afternoon

thing I had to get done.

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I was like, you need to go to

the pharmacy stat, get all of the

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homeopathic bunk you could find.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And you know, I'll take

the vitamin C and the zinc and

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the whatever and also get DayQuil.

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'cause like when my sinuses go

bad, DayQuil is what keeps me

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Xhafer: DayQuil King, a hundred percent.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he got the, the combo stuff.

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But I hit it pretty hard with

that zinc and vitamin C early on.

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And by this afternoon I was like, you

know what I think, I think I'm okay now.

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So yeah, I feel a lot better.

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How about yourself?

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Xhafer: I am definitely

like weather change.

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Ill not actually Ill, I'm like mostly EP.

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I've drank two liters of Gatorade today

and I still feel a little dehydrated.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, like my knee is killing me.

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Like I have an old knee injury that when

there's big pressure changes I feel in

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my knee arthritis style and my knee is

in, is in pain from that, just casual.

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Um, so it's just like, I'm just grumpy.

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It's that, and it's just like the

last three weeks have been this giant

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unending snowball of things happening.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, since we've, God, 'cause

we last recorded a minute ago.

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Laura: I know.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, so in, since we've last

recorded, I have officiated two weddings,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: been chosen for a thing

to present to my CEOs, built

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the thing to present to my CEOs.

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Presented to my CEOs,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: my furnace broke,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: my mom sold her house and

I've helped her pack and move.

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Laura: Goodness.

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Xhafer: And then my best friend closed

on a condo, and I have been helping

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him finish his floors for two weeks.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: All of that in

the last three weeks,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Just in time for the holidays too.

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Xhafer: right?

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I'm so tired.

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I've been so tired and I'm, it's like

I'm better, like as long as I get a good

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night's rest, I can make it through a day.

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But I'm in desperate need of a vacation

and I have one around the corner.

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Not this upcoming weekend,

but the weekend after.

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I'm going to Pax Unplugged in

Philadelphia for the weekend and I've

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got a couple days and I'm gonna be

hanging out playing board games all

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weekend at that board game convention.

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And then the weekend after is Thanksgiving

and I have a five day that weekend.

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So a plus I'll manage, I'll

get there, but really looking

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forward to that stuff right now.

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Laura: yeah.

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I had a couple of days there where

I was trying to cram in a literature

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review for one of my seminars

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: that I didn't get like

more than five hours of sleep

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for a couple nights in a row.

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And I am not a good person when

I get less than mm, six or seven.

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So I feel you.

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I am ready for a break,

but I do not get one until.

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Sometime mid-December.

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Xhafer: Yeah, you've got finals

around the corner, I'm sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Working on another important

literature review now.

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So I did make progress today,

so I do not feel guilty about

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being here at this moment.

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Xhafer: Good.

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You shouldn't feel guilty about

taking an hour to talk to a

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friend about a sci-fi TV show.

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Laura: I know.

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Xhafer: Just 'cause we happen to record.

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It doesn't mean you

should feel bad about it

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Laura: right?

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Xhafer: anything besides a

conversation with a friend.

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Laura: Exactly.

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Yeah.

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My many friends who are

all here at this moment.

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Xhafer: yes, the the one that

could respond to you and then

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everyone else who's listening to

it at some point in the future.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But usually I hear about it a

little bit in the discord, so that's

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Episode release stays

always fun in the discord.

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Laura: yeah.

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So what episode are we

here to talk about today?

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Xhafer: season three, episode five.

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Collaborators.

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And I want you to know, I tried for like

15 minutes to make a regulators joke.

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And I just, I couldn't find a good one.

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So Discord, give us your best, Warren

g, Nate, Dogg, regulators get in the

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Laura: this one's a freebie.

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You all can toss it at us.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Well, we open in media

airlock as Jamer Stan's trial.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The circle they call themselves.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh, Saving Cali is not enough as

Tyro gives the gladiator thumbs down.

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Laura: Yeah, we, we find out that

Tyrell gets to know the whole thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So, um, the circle is Saul,

Tyrell, Anders, Selix, and Connor.

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Xhafer: And Jean?

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Laura: Okay.

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I was like, there's a sixth one.

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'cause they make it very important

that they be six of them.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So yeah, it's the three

resistance leaders.

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Ty Tiro, Anders

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: who is a resistance fighter.

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She was a deckhand.

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Uh, She was the field medic on cobol,

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Laura: Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: uh, During that whole thing.

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But she's just taken basic medic training.

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I read her Wikipedia page about it because

it was, I wanted to make sure, because her

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and Jean kind of look similar and they're

doing similar things in this episode, and

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I wanted to make sure I didn't fuck it up.

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Laura: And nobody's

wearing a fucking name tag.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, Jean effectively is in some scenes

because she is another Capric Buccaneer,

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she was on the uh, the Pyramid team.

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So sometimes she wears Buck's gear

instead of Ency gear, and it's a

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little bit easier to tell them apart.

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Laura: It's the first time we've

seen this Connor guy though, right?

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Xhafer: no, but it's the first

time he's had like lines.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um, he was in Sam's

Resistance cell on Caprica,

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but we never saw him before.

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New Caprica.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: So he's, he's a relatively

new character in terms of like, he's

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someone that you might reme vaguely

remember seeing around and doing stuff.

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He was in other episodes this

season, but he was not in

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anything before a new Caprica.

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Laura: Gotcha.

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Connor also tells us he

had a, like 9-year-old son,

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Xhafer: Yeah, he had a baby boy.

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Well, not a baby, but like

an elementary age school son.

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Laura: Oh, I, I see.

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I wrote in my notes it's

seven, 7-year-old son,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Who

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died new Caprica.

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I,

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Laura: at the hands of si in one of

their raids, so he's got a real beef.

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Tyrell in this thing

is kind of restrained.

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He's like, okay, I'll hear you out.

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He hears out the story about Callie,

like, I cut her bonds, I told her to run.

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Uh, I'm the one who saved her

and it didn't matter to Tyrell.

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He's like, well, you know, would they say

20 something people died in that one raid?

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ca.

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Saving Kelly doesn't save

you from murdering 20 people.

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Laura: Right.

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Right.

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And he, he doesn't, he can't

articulate whether or not he

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was part of any of that killing.

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Like Darrell is al he's willing to hear

like, did you kill any of those people?

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And if you tell me no, maybe, maybe

things are gonna be different, but

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jamer iss not gonna lie and say, I

definitely didn't kill those people.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: he doesn't know.

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Xhafer: he was too crazy.

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Doesn't know if he killed anyone.

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That's fucked.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is, we already start

to see like the cracks here.

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Anders is not pleased

with this whole thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Andrews is pretty upset.

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He is spaghetti.

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He wants to just fucking relax for a day.

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But you know, he doesn't get time off.

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I empathize.

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Laura: Same.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: It's been three days since

the second exodus, which they refer

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to it as the second exodus, which

surprises me because I think they

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would call it the third exodus.

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'cause there was that whole

thing where they had to leave

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COBOL and form the colonies.

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So this would be the third time

you've had to flee a planet as a

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species.

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But you know, I guess we'll talk

about that more in a minute when

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we talk about the timeframes when

we get to our survivor count.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Some

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Xhafer: a page of notes about this.

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Laura: a page of notes about the

timeframe or the survivor count

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Xhafer: Yes.

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There they go hand in hand.

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Laura: Okay.

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All right.

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We get Tyrell going back to a very crowded

bunk where Cali's holding the baby,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: and he asks her, which this is

wild to me, talking about timeframe,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: asks her, Hey, did anybody help you

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Xhafer: Like a week ago

when you almost got shot up.

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Laura: Right, because

Callie's been like rescued.

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There was, there was at least like a day

in between Callie's rescue and the Exodus.

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So how did this not come up yet?

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She's running from the silos.

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Everyone else is in bonds,

not running from the cys.

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You should have asked her beforehand.

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How did you do it?

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How did you get away?

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How were you running at us?

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It is absolutely wild that

they have not talked about this

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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Laura: And she's like, I don't

know, probably somebody helped me.

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Which telling me that's not burned

into your brain, that somebody took the

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zip ties off you and told you to run.

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Xhafer: trauma.

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She also ran the wrong way and was

immediately rescued by the chief,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: so like,

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Laura: I don't know.

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It would be burned in my little brain that

like, holy shit, somebody did help me.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: And uh, she's

like, oh, why do you ask?

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And he's realizing that yeah,

Jamer really did do that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Jabber was so there for her.

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Whoops.

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Laura: But this, this conversation

should have happened back on new capa.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: It it, regardless of the three

days that they've been on the ship,

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that it also could have happened.

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Like, no, I, I was pretty

like, this is bonkers.

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Is it stupid or is it od?

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I don't know.

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It's bonkers.

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Xhafer: It's bonkers.

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We go to theme and we

finally get a survivor count.

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It's been five episodes,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: 41,435.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Did you go back and look at

the survivor count from season two,

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episode 19 or 20, whatever it was,

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Laura: Immediately, yes.

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Xhafer: 49,550.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Now we have a lot of time here.

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: There was a year on new Caprica

before the cylon showed up, and then the

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silent occupation was almost 140 days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: the last survivor

count that 49,000 was day 280.

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Laura: And that was before, Cloud nine

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Xhafer: yes.

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Yeah.

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That factors into this.

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This is day 800.

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It has been 17 months since

our last survivor count.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: more time has passed in the

last five episodes than passed in

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the two seasons of the show previous,

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well, counting the time jump for the year,

obviously when they landed on new capric.

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Cut all that stuff from

the season two finale.

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So some other nerds did a lot more

Math here, and I wanna shout out all

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my Excel sci-fi nerd homies who did.

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All of this math.

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but looking there, there was like

a group of people who they figured

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out Astral Queen, they used the

Caprica City population, the

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other ships that were impacted.

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All of these other little tidbits of

information we've gotten about the

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population to get to a number of 6,150

people were killed in the Astro Queen Nuke

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Laura: The Cloud nine nuke.

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Xhafer: or Cloud nine Nuke.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Not the Astro Queen.

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That's the prison ship.

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Not the pleasure ship.

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To be fair to me, Astro Queen

does sound like it could be the

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name of a Cloud nine style ship.

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Laura: Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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But Cloud Nine's definitely more overt.

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Um, so sorry.

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Yeah.

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Not astral Queen.

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Cloud nine blew up.

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Laura: So 6,000 people

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Xhafer: 6,150 people blew up in that.

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We have a population drop of 8,115.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Adama tells us that several

thousand people were left behind

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on new CAPA in this episode,

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: which we know is we're

gonna say is over:

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not think about it too much.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And we don't know, like that gap

there because there's at least a 45 person

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gap to be under 2000 people right now with

the amount of death on the Astro Queen.

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That's Babies

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Laura: Cloud nine,

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Xhafer: Cloud.

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Fuck, cloud nine.

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I keep saying astral queen.

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I don't know why.

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The Cloud nine, the

difference there is babies.

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We don't know how many babies were

born in these 17 months, but it's a

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minimum of several hundred to make

all of the other numbers in the show

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work going forward and backward.

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Laura: that's a lot of babies.

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Xhafer: It's 17 months.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: And given you've got a

population that is mostly not minors

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because if we remember back when I

did the math in our election episode,

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Laura: Yeah, we had a lot of voters.

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Xhafer: yeah, knowing the voting

population and the population of

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the fleet at the time, only 5.1%

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of them are under voting age,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: which is presumably 18,

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: not necessarily.

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It could be 16, it could be 20.

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Who fucking knows?

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Um, it could be 14.

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Maybe they really like getting their

youth involved in their democracy.

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Laura: Yikes.

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Xhafer: I wouldn't trust a 14-year-old

voting, but I'm not a part of a

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spacefaring society, so fuck me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Probably won't be at this point either.

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So

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Xhafer: didn't Bezos test

something to go to Mars today?

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Or some shit?

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Laura: He could go to Mars.

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That would be fine.

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Xhafer: I feel like that

solves some problems.

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Laura: can, I can name a few people.

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He should take with him actually.

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Xhafer: great.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So 45 kind of unaccounted for, right?

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Xhafer: a, a minimum of 45 babies.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Minimum.

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Gotcha.

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Xhafer: It's likely several hundred more.

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Laura: One thing that they told us in

this episode, it's a little bit farther

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down, is that a couple, like a dozen

13 people have just gone missing.

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We know

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they got off, huh?

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Xhafer: Next episode.

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Laura: They're counted

in the next episode.

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That was what I was gonna

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Xhafer: the, the count drops 13

between this episode and next episode,

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Laura: Okay.

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So we know those are the

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Xhafer: we didn't see anyone else die.

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So those are the 13 deaths.

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Laura: We did like a fleet wide census and

every ship counted all their people and

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immediately reported that in on day one.

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And then, yeah,

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Xhafer: Yep.

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We're already

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Laura: 13 somewhere.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Somewhere.

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Xhafer: We come back from theme to what

is the worst scene in this TV show.

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That's not true, but it's up on the list.

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It's

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Laura: okay.

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You watch, you watch

the whole theme, right?

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And all the little like vignettes

they put in from the episode

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to make you go, oh my gosh,

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it's so

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Xhafer: Stuff's happening.

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Laura: I've gotta keep watching, you know?

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Oh my God.

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One of the like, last things that they

put on was Rosalyn going to kiss Gaas,

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and they just like immediate, they were

like, we gotta rip this bandaid right off,

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because that is gonna be hella confusing.

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And it was,

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Xhafer: it was.

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So yeah, we come back from theme

and Baltar is being forgiven by

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Rosalyn Pama and the Saul cops.

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But six PT shows up to shit on that.

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And this is when Gaia's

mommy issues surface.

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Laura: Yes.

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So six PT is, is yelling

about them forgiving Gais.

435

:

That's interesting.

436

:

And then, yeah, Rosalyn goes to

kiss Gais like romantically for

437

:

some reason in his mind.

438

:

And I was like, oh.

439

:

So we're just gonna add

like Oedipus in here.

440

:

Xhafer: Just a little,

441

:

Laura: Just a little

442

:

Oedipus.

443

:

Xhafer: He probably sees her as

more of a rival than a mommy.

444

:

Laura: But she show mommy

445

:

Xhafer: She's show mommy for sure.

446

:

But I mean, characters like Lee,

she is actu like, she is a basically

447

:

supplanted mommy at this point.

448

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

449

:

Xhafer: Characters like Gais.

450

:

I don't think that he feels

maternal with her at all,

451

:

Laura: No, she's something else to him.

452

:

Xhafer: yeah.

453

:

Laura: but he wakes up on

the psychoanalyst couch.

454

:

He's got like a velvet couch

455

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

456

:

Laura: room.

457

:

We've got the red light pulsing

all around the room at about,

458

:

you know, waist height or so

459

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

460

:

What's up with this?

461

:

Uh, My notes say, is it

stupid interior designer?

462

:

Is it cylon?

463

:

Laura: I think the show wants

me to think that this is like

464

:

the blood of the ship pulsing

465

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

466

:

It's doing the back and

forth, like the eyes.

467

:

So is it, is it like their camera?

468

:

Is it their, the camera

in the room to watch him?

469

:

Laura: I mean they don't even need it.

470

:

'cause they have a BattleBot we

find out, stationed right there

471

:

that is just staring at gaas and has

been presumably for all three days.

472

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

473

:

Laura: Just been watching him sleep.

474

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

475

:

Speaking of sleep, we cut over to the

Galactica where Kara can't sleep and

476

:

hey, Starbucks does the same thing

to me after 3:00 PM so I get it.

477

:

Laura: Yeah, me too.

478

:

I, I got old.

479

:

Xhafer: yeah.

480

:

Andrews is worried about her since she's

only listening to Warren seven these days,

481

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

482

:

Xhafer: and it is just bad news bears.

483

:

Laura: she's pulled her

gear back outta storage.

484

:

She's going back to work.

485

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

486

:

She's gonna try, she's a hundred

487

:

Laura: till she cuts her hair.

488

:

Xhafer: yeah.

489

:

I mean, she's always the person

who buries herself in work instead

490

:

of deals dealing with her shit.

491

:

So,

492

:

Laura: Seems like a good time for that.

493

:

Xhafer: yeah.

494

:

I mean, there's plenty

of work to go around.

495

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

496

:

Xhafer: President Tom Zurich meets with

Rosalyn to go over the Gerald Fording

497

:

of her ascendancy to the presidency,

again, meaning she will once again be

498

:

president without winning on election.

499

:

Laura: Oh yeah, that's true.

500

:

Xhafer: It is something I will

remind you of many, many times

501

:

because she forgets constantly.

502

:

Laura: Yeah.

503

:

the, this whole thing, I think

it was mentioned at some point

504

:

is gonna take like 60 days.

505

:

Like he's gonna step down

506

:

Xhafer: It is gonna take no,

it's gonna take three days.

507

:

Laura: Oh, he's committed to three days.

508

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

509

:

That's why the timeline, if the

circle in one of their meetings

510

:

says they only have three days to

finish all of their judgments and

511

:

executions, that's because that's

when Baltar's president or not Baltar,

512

:

that's when Zurich's presidency ends

513

:

Laura: yeah, Ballar presidency

514

:

Xhafer: Brent has

515

:

Laura: a little, cooked.

516

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

517

:

So EK's like, yep.

518

:

Well get the quorum together in

three days and the quorum of 12.

519

:

I will nominate you as my vice president.

520

:

They will approve you.

521

:

I will step down.

522

:

They'll swear you in as president.

523

:

Laura: Okay.

524

:

Okay.

525

:

I was like, there's some voting

involved, but it is not the vote

526

:

of the people that gets her in.

527

:

Xhafer: Now this is a

Senate confirmation hearing,

528

:

Laura: Yeah.

529

:

Xhafer: much like what happened with

Gerald Ford and replacing Spear Agnew.

530

:

Laura: That's fun.

531

:

That's fun.

532

:

Yeah.

533

:

So he's surprisingly willing

to let this power go.

534

:

I was really surprised it was

happening this quickly and easily.

535

:

Xhafer: he's made it clear that Adama's

made it clear that he won't be president,

536

:

Laura: Yeah.

537

:

He won't be able to do anything

'cause Adama will not work for him.

538

:

Xhafer: just airlock

his ass if he needs to.

539

:

I feel like, um, I mean, he's part of the

administration of traitors, so you know.

540

:

I feel like that's a pretty easy

sell, even though he did immediately

541

:

get put in jail and almost died

because he was like, fuck you gais.

542

:

That's not what we're doing.

543

:

Laura: right,

544

:

Xhafer: So,

545

:

Laura: right.

546

:

I could see that, like people

would just easily write it off as

547

:

like, oh yeah, you have to do that.

548

:

Right?

549

:

Xhafer: yeah.

550

:

Laura: yeah.

551

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

552

:

When when you have a terrible DES

president who just rolls over to

553

:

foreign adversaries constantly, his vice

president just has to be included in that.

554

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

555

:

Xhafer: So, yeah.

556

:

Laura: It's really unfortunate, but Yeah.

557

:

it's

558

:

Xhafer: That's how it goes.

559

:

But uh, Rosalyn's all like, Hey, I mean,

I know you were good, Tom, and so he asked

560

:

for a place in the administration and

roslyn's all like you were courageous.

561

:

You stood up to ballar.

562

:

The people can use that.

563

:

You could be my vice president.

564

:

So we're gonna have President

Roslyn and Vice President Zurich

565

:

still always the bridesmaids.

566

:

Tom, you get six days of presidency.

567

:

Just a little

568

:

taste.

569

:

Laura: Well, you know, I think he

certainly, if he is genuine in all

570

:

of his uniformity does need to do

like a little bit of an internship to

571

:

work, work, earn some respect back.

572

:

You know,

573

:

Xhafer: for sure.

574

:

Laura: this is, this is totally fair.

575

:

Um, I, I had no problems

with this at this point

576

:

anyway.

577

:

But you know, who's got some problems?

578

:

Xhafer: Ty

579

:

Laura: SA tie.

580

:

Xhafer: Gada shows up to help repair

shit and CIC and Ty loses his shit.

581

:

Laura: Yeah.

582

:

Yeah.

583

:

I mean, again, trauma, right?

584

:

Um, but I don't know why Saul.

585

:

Doesn't go quicker to like, we got some

really juicy, important stuff from that

586

:

mole that was in the silent government

587

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

588

:

Laura: and like

589

:

he was pretty like, Hmm,

could he have been the mole?

590

:

Like Saul never even considers it.

591

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

592

:

Well, I mean, Saul is angry.

593

:

Yeah.

594

:

I mean, he went through some shit.

595

:

Uh, He does throw a straight helo

for being a quote toaster Fracker.

596

:

Laura: Oh, I've, I

totally missed that one.

597

:

But yeah, you're right.

598

:

Helo did try to like

599

:

Xhafer: Well, Hilo was the XO of

Galactica for the last 17 months.

600

:

Laura: true.

601

:

Xhafer: He's, he was the XO

since the asylum genocide.

602

:

Hilo has had, got more reps at

his as Galactic XO than salty

603

:

Laura: Yeah.

604

:

Xhafer: statement.

605

:

Laura: Fact statement and like he

had all that time on Galactica.

606

:

Galactica came back for you and did

a competent job, a decent job at it.

607

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

608

:

Laura: maybe,

609

:

Xhafer: doesn't matter because you

know, he's involved with Sharon.

610

:

But I am just wondering how, up until

this point, we have not had a single

611

:

thing along the line of Helo fucks a

blow up doll or some other thing where

612

:

they refer to her as a sex toy for him.

613

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

614

:

Xhafer: And I'm wondering if maybe the

thing the reboot decided to keep from

615

:

Mormonism in the, from the original

series is the sexual repression.

616

:

Laura: Hmm.

617

:

Xhafer: And that's just why we

haven't gotten a joke like that.

618

:

Because frankly I would expect something

like that from this crew at this point.

619

:

Laura: Yeah.

620

:

Or Pegasus crew should have made

it if nothing else, like Pegasus

621

:

crew was pretty, pretty awful.

622

:

Yeah.

623

:

Hey, you just reminded me Sharon exists.

624

:

What the hell happened to Sharon?

625

:

We're Sharon,

626

:

Xhafer: She

627

:

Laura: wasn't in this episode.

628

:

Xhafer: wasn't in this episode.

629

:

Laura: Yeah.

630

:

Okay.

631

:

Xhafer: Well, she was doing double duty,

playing two characters for a couple.

632

:

So maybe, maybe that's how uh, it

works with the screen actor skill.

633

:

I don't know.

634

:

Laura: yeah, like there's

enough going on here.

635

:

Like you can just, I mean, I didn't

notice till you said her name and

636

:

then I was like, wait a second.

637

:

Yeah.

638

:

But Daddy Adama happens to come in during

this like whole business and uh, he.

639

:

Kinda takes Saul by the arm and

says, Hey buddy, you seem tired.

640

:

Xhafer: Maybe fuck off.

641

:

Laura: yeah.

642

:

I mean, Thomas is trying to like do the

graceful thing of like, we need this to

643

:

stop, you know, and I'm trying to save

your face 'cause I need people to listen

644

:

to you, but not when you're super angry.

645

:

I need you to be kind of chill.

646

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

647

:

I mean, sometimes you gotta

tell your friends to fuck off.

648

:

It's, they're, they're not

gonna help the situation for

649

:

themselves or for anyone else.

650

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

651

:

That's this, that's this

652

:

whole deal.

653

:

So.

654

:

One thing that I've been joking

about, I can't remember if I've joked

655

:

about it on Pod or just with Aaron,

656

:

is that I know the boxing

episode is in this season.

657

:

I know it's not far.

658

:

I don't think, I can't

659

:

Xhafer: It, it is not far.

660

:

It is before a movie break.

661

:

Laura: Okay, good.

662

:

So I was like, obviously the point

of the boxing episode is to like

663

:

resolve these feelings, right?

664

:

We're gonna have a lot of feelings

for a few episodes and then we're

665

:

gonna at least surface level

resolve some of them with boxing.

666

:

Yeah.

667

:

And I was like, so is like everybody

in the main cast gonna box somebody.

668

:

And then I was coming up with like,

we need the training montage of like

669

:

Leah dama teaching Rosalyn how to throw

a punch so she can fight Zurich and.

670

:

Xhafer: Okay.

671

:

Well, you've named two characters that I

don't believe box, but it's been a long

672

:

Laura: Oh, damn.

673

:

I really want everyone

to box like someone.

674

:

Obviously Starbuck and Lee need

to like box each other in my mind.

675

:

Or maybe Anders and Lee.

676

:

Ooh, maybe it's Anders and

Lee and Starbuck and Dee.

677

:

Ooh, I don't know.

678

:

who's Saul gonna hit?

679

:

Saul's gotta hit somebody.

680

:

He's gotta

681

:

Xhafer: hit somebody.

682

:

I mean, Starbuck even says in this

episode that she has to hurt somebody.

683

:

Laura: yeah,

684

:

Xhafer: So

685

:

Laura: I am.

686

:

I am interested.

687

:

Everyone on Galactica

boxing, everybody else.

688

:

Xhafer: It is.

689

:

It is more episodes away than

you might be thinking, but it is.

690

:

We'll get there before Christmas.

691

:

You'll get to open a Christmas

present and find out who boxes who

692

:

put it on your Advent calendar.

693

:

Laura: Excellent, excellent.

694

:

Yeah.

695

:

So, before he leaves,

before he finally fucks off,

696

:

Saul says like, Hey, I'm not gonna

forget this to Adama and leaves.

697

:

And I was like, oh, it's bad business.

698

:

I

699

:

Xhafer: telltale Saul will remember

this shows up in the top left corner.

700

:

Yeah.

701

:

Laura: yeah, I don't, I don't want

daddy and uncle to fight 'cause I do

702

:

believe daddy can take down uncle.

703

:

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

704

:

Uh, we cut over to the circle after this.

705

:

This is where they mention

that three days left timeframe

706

:

as they find another guilty.

707

:

And Connor is very laissez-faire here.

708

:

And it's just all like, throw

'em all out the fucking airlock.

709

:

They're all collaborators.

710

:

Fuck 'em all.

711

:

And Ty is just all like, no,

712

:

Laura: Yeah.

713

:

Xhafer: this is due process.

714

:

We're taking this seriously.

715

:

Fuck

716

:

Laura: Yeah.

717

:

This is a version of

due process, I suppose.

718

:

Xhafer: this is, this is as much

due process as we're willing to give

719

:

these people, which is something we

will talk about in a little bit, but.

720

:

Laura: Yeah.

721

:

Saul has at least been like given

his rules and he's gonna follow

722

:

those rules this time, so, okay.

723

:

Xhafer: But as they're going through

uh, gada comes up next here and Ty is

724

:

just riding hard for guilty, but they

discuss a complete lack of evidence

725

:

that Gada actually did anything.

726

:

Laura: Right.

727

:

Saul and Anders are, are really

going at each other here.

728

:

Um, Saul says that, well, he knew

Callie was on the death list 'cause

729

:

we, he signed, he signed something

that came with the death list.

730

:

So he saw that and he knew And you

guys got the deathless too, right?

731

:

Xhafer: right?

732

:

You keep bringing up all this stuff

that you knew that he touched, and

733

:

it's all stuff that he gave you.

734

:

Laura: Exactly.

735

:

Xhafer: do anything.

736

:

Laura: I was like, Saul, you, you were

such, you were doing the leadership

737

:

and, but you just got them blind spots.

738

:

Oh, I made myself sad

739

:

Xhafer: Oh

740

:

Laura: 'cause I said blind

spots and he did lose an eye.

741

:

Oh,

742

:

aw.

743

:

But this is when we find out they,

they've got these rules on this

744

:

jury, so it has to be six of them.

745

:

They have to all be in agreement.

746

:

Xhafer: Unanimous.

747

:

Laura: has fucked off.

748

:

He said, no, thank you.

749

:

I won't agree to this one.

750

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

751

:

Laura: And they've

gotta find a sixth vote.

752

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

753

:

Well, it's not even, I

don't agree to this one.

754

:

I'm not voting, no, it's, I'm not voting.

755

:

I'm

756

:

Laura: not voting anymore.

757

:

Yeah.

758

:

I'm, I'm out

759

:

Xhafer: Of this whole process.

760

:

Laura: Connor's really harsh in the

vibe with his whole kill them all thing.

761

:

Like I get that.

762

:

Xhafer: Yep.

763

:

We got over back to the Bay

Star where Deanna comes to visit

764

:

Baltar, bringing him his meds.

765

:

Laura: Yeah.

766

:

So a couple of thoughts.

767

:

One, she looks very angelic.

768

:

We've got her lit in such a way.

769

:

We've got

770

:

a

771

:

Xhafer: in this sheer white dress thing.

772

:

Laura: uhhuh mm-hmm.

773

:

The pills thing, like we clearly

saw him like addicted to some

774

:

kind of pills it seemed like,

in this whole new caprica stuff

775

:

at the very beginning, like,

and he's a little shit.

776

:

So that seems like,

escapism he might do and,

777

:

Xhafer: They might be recreational,

they might be mood stabilizing.

778

:

He, He,

779

:

he, does see shit.

780

:

Laura: It's true and I wondered if he

is using these pills to keep six PT

781

:

away because she's been upset at him

and he does not wanna deal with it.

782

:

Xhafer: so I, I don't remember.

783

:

I, they, they haven't told

us what the pills are.

784

:

I don't remember if they

tell us what the pills are,

785

:

Laura: Yeah.

786

:

Especially because when he was

dreaming, that was six PT coming in and

787

:

chewing everybody out in this vision.

788

:

I wondered if she's been away for

a while and it was three days.

789

:

Some things out of his

system she showed back up.

790

:

Here comes Deanna with the

pills to silence six PT.

791

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

792

:

Good timing.

793

:

Laura: I don't know.

794

:

Yeah, but she like tries to sit

with him on the couch and he's

795

:

squeak, squeaked out by it.

796

:

Uh They really don't believe

he has value to be here.

797

:

The silent model you in, they're like,

798

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

799

:

The fuck is this guy?

800

:

Laura: want you here, but

hey, our vote is deadlocked.

801

:

Xhafer: Yeah, you saved that baby.

802

:

So like, that's a big deal.

803

:

But it's split three ways, right?

804

:

Three.

805

:

Three right now.

806

:

And the only model that

hasn't voted is the sixes.

807

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

808

:

Yeah.

809

:

So he is also in the hands of his own kind

of jury, but they have different rules.

810

:

It's not a unanimous, we all agree

in order to throw gas out at the

811

:

airlock, it's a majority rule.

812

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

813

:

Laura: Interesting.

814

:

Xhafer: Lee hangs out with the dad

rule here, noting the missing reports

815

:

the missing people reports coming

in 13, missing confirmed survivors.

816

:

He says in all of this, they

have a conversation about stuff.

817

:

He says he's gonna go hit the jump rope

818

:

and he says he is lost half a stone, ex

819

:

14 pounds.

820

:

Excuse me.

821

:

Imperial weight measurement.

822

:

No, I was on board for everything.

823

:

I was on board for robot genocide.

824

:

I was on board for spaceships.

825

:

I'm on board for the physics breaking,

jumping, the, the, the, like the quantum

826

:

displacement of jumping, which is a

really fucking kind of way to do space

827

:

travel that is probably impossible.

828

:

Like that's breaking all kinds of rules

and shit like you're doing quantum

829

:

tanglement with, from one place.

830

:

That's fucking weird.

831

:

And also on scale, which

is also fucking weird.

832

:

Like I, this doesn't make sense to me.

833

:

I was on board for all of that.

834

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

835

:

Xhafer: Referring to losing half of a

stone broke my suspension of disbelief.

836

:

Laura: Also, you just told

me a stone is 14 pounds.

837

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I think that's right.

838

:

It might

839

:

Laura: Yeah.

840

:

So half a stone is about seven pounds.

841

:

My guy, you've lost three

pounds of water weight.

842

:

Because I'm gonna assume that

this actor is taller than me,

843

:

probably by an inch or two.

844

:

I don't know.

845

:

And that's like my

846

:

Xhafer: he's probably as

tall as you, if not shorter.

847

:

Laura: Oh,

848

:

Xhafer: doesn't tower over James

Callis and, and James Callis,

849

:

I don't believe is a tallman.

850

:

Laura: find out how tall he is.

851

:

Xhafer: Jamie Barber height Google.

852

:

Gimme the answer.

853

:

He's five nine.

854

:

Laura: Oh, he is shorter than me.

855

:

Xhafer: He's shorter

856

:

Laura: Oh, wow.

857

:

Xhafer: If we're an

abnormally tall podcast.

858

:

Laura: Abnormally tall.

859

:

Very special blood typed podcast.

860

:

Xhafer: Right.

861

:

Laura: Yeah.

862

:

Okay.

863

:

Well, maybe he's less, a little more

than water weight, whatever, but I

864

:

think if he scraped that putty off of

his face, he could lose another pound

865

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

866

:

Laura: because I mean, to, to be fair,

867

:

it, it's, it's good face putty

compared to like some face putty, like

868

:

Xhafer: like it's better than like

the olds makeup and TNG for sure.

869

:

Laura: Sure.

870

:

Yeah.

871

:

And

872

:

Xhafer: that loaf on.

873

:

Yeah.

874

:

It's, it's better than

that, but it's not good.

875

:

Laura: have you ever watched I Claudius.

876

:

Xhafer: No, I actually, I, I

think I just got it with the

877

:

intention of watching it sometime

878

:

Laura: Awesome.

879

:

I Claudius is very good.

880

:

It also has Patrick Stewart with hair.

881

:

I think it was his real hair.

882

:

I think he was young enough that

it was actually his hair, but I'm

883

:

not a hundred percent sure on that.

884

:

So if somebody out there in the

discord knows that it wasn't

885

:

his real hair, yeah, you got me.

886

:

But let me tell you, the wig is

better than, than all of the face

887

:

putty they throw on those people.

888

:

'cause they weren't

thinking about those high

889

:

Xhafer: Hd.

890

:

Yeah.

891

:

Laura: Whew.

892

:

It's a fun little journey.

893

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

894

:

Laura: Yeah.

895

:

I didn't love that.

896

:

Adama is like fat shaming him to back

897

:

to the

898

:

Xhafer: great.

899

:

No.

900

:

No.

901

:

Laura: Like, come on man.

902

:

It's been three fucking days.

903

:

Get a grip.

904

:

Xhafer: Gada is alone

in the mess hall here.

905

:

Starbuck moves over to join him.

906

:

this is where he tells her that he

was the mole, but like nobody has, no

907

:

one that he's talking to has any way

to confirm anything that he's saying.

908

:

It, it becomes apparent that he wasn't

quite sure who he was leaving stuff for.

909

:

I don't know how you set that up

910

:

without anything at all.

911

:

I, I figure, I mean, I, I know it's

for the dramatic tension in the

912

:

storytelling, but at the very least,

you would think that Gada had to like

913

:

tell Tiarra the like, Hey, when this

is down, check here kind of a thing.

914

:

At some point,

915

:

Laura: Uhhuh

916

:

Xhafer: even, I guess it might

have just been like a message

917

:

at the door or something

918

:

Laura: probably, probably just

a different note that said,

919

:

Hey, flipped bowl, look here.

920

:

You

921

:

know, but yeah.

922

:

And he, he might not have known who.

923

:

Picked up the message.

924

:

If you just leave it somewhere where,

you know, like resistance gathers, you

925

:

don't know which one of them gets it.

926

:

Xhafer: yeah.

927

:

Laura: Yeah.

928

:

Starbuck like sets this whole

thing off by like, did you even

929

:

think about me being locked up?

930

:

And Gada says he didn't know,

which I totally believe.

931

:

'cause Lee Obin was totally bonkers.

932

:

Xhafer: Well, and Bin never

went to silent model Un,

933

:

so he, he wouldn't have been all

like, oh yeah, and I've still

934

:

got Starbucks captured guys.

935

:

You know, like, that's not

something that happened.

936

:

Laura: and they might not have even cared.

937

:

Like, they're like, oh, crazy,

Loubin and his fucking premonitions

938

:

thinks Starbucks is important.

939

:

Like, no, she's not.

940

:

You know?

941

:

Xhafer: That's human, whatever.

942

:

Laura: Yeah.

943

:

And so, like, there's no reason for him

necessarily to mention it to the Model

944

:

N there's no reason for the model to

talk about it in front of other humans

945

:

like.

946

:

Completely plausible to

me that Gada had no idea.

947

:

and, you know, he is trying to like

explain the dead drops and stuff, and

948

:

I've really thought for a second that

Cix might've overheard him talking

949

:

Xhafer: They make it look like she does,

950

:

but then they don't do anything with it.

951

:

Laura: Yeah, no, her, I guess her look

is like, oh, now I found another person

952

:

who has a beef and can do this thing

with our six people with the circle.

953

:

But to me, that conversation was

loud enough that she should have

954

:

overheard about the dead drops.

955

:

But I, again, maybe you're right, maybe

Tyrell didn't really talk about them to

956

:

others, like how they actually happened.

957

:

He just was like, I have a source.

958

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

959

:

Laura: So I, I don't know.

960

:

I, I can forgive Cix for not taking this

information and doing something with it,

961

:

but it really felt like she was about to.

962

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

963

:

We cut over to the bass star

where six watches, baltar

964

:

wake up, but in a creepy way.

965

:

Not a cute or loving way

966

:

Laura: Yeah.

967

:

Xhafer: terrors kinda way.

968

:

Laura: Yeah.

969

:

Six is messed up.

970

:

Something is wrong with six.

971

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

972

:

He tries to talk to her,

but he fucks it up too.

973

:

Laura: Oh, he's so bad at this.

974

:

Xhafer: the whole thing is so, so awkward.

975

:

I have no notes on it because

it was just so awkward that I

976

:

was just like uh, the entire

977

:

Laura: can't even write with my pencil.

978

:

Oh,

979

:

yeah, yeah.

980

:

She goes on this thing about my

feelings have clouded my judgment.

981

:

He tries to like convince her, no, no, no.

982

:

You're just, you're just a person.

983

:

You're a person who's in love with me.

984

:

CAAs Baltar,

985

:

and uh, I'm the only one who can make

it better for you and you need me.

986

:

He's like screaming out the door,

you need me and forgets to be

987

:

like, oh yeah, I need you too.

988

:

It's just very classic guys.

989

:

I was like, wow, wow.

990

:

He's not learned anything.

991

:

just so fucked up.

992

:

This gross little man.

993

:

And yeah, we go back to

Galactica the circle meets

994

:

Xhafer: The circle.

995

:

Yeah.

996

:

Starbucks has been

brought into the circle.

997

:

Laura: and so this, I think is when

it's explicit that this purge is.

998

:

Ordered by Zurich.

999

:

Like we kinda had the three days where

it's like, oh, you know, we've gotta do

:

00:42:45,071 --> 00:42:47,021

this before Rosalyn gets back in power.

:

00:42:47,141 --> 00:42:52,001

But now we see the letter

with the corners cut off.

:

00:42:52,091 --> 00:42:52,781

Yeah.

:

00:42:53,936 --> 00:42:54,226

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:42:54,551 --> 00:42:56,381

Laura: that Zurich is trying

to get rid of these people.

:

00:42:56,921 --> 00:42:57,011

Xhafer: yep.

:

00:42:57,621 --> 00:43:01,131

She votes guilty while

Tiro remains undecided.

:

00:43:01,881 --> 00:43:07,571

Sam talks to Kara about not becoming in

Ahab, and she says she would rather kill

:

00:43:07,571 --> 00:43:10,721

traitors and hurt Sam than go to therapy,

:

00:43:11,136 --> 00:43:11,556

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:43:12,191 --> 00:43:12,521

Xhafer: so,

:

00:43:12,581 --> 00:43:12,881

Laura: Yep.

:

00:43:14,651 --> 00:43:14,951

Uck

:

00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:15,546

Xhafer: yep.

:

00:43:16,901 --> 00:43:18,071

Laura: that's men's job.

:

00:43:18,491 --> 00:43:20,201

Men would rather than therapy.

:

00:43:22,811 --> 00:43:24,191

Xhafer: Have you watched Peacemaker?

:

00:43:24,881 --> 00:43:25,451

Laura: No.

:

00:43:25,456 --> 00:43:25,726

Uhuh

:

00:43:26,201 --> 00:43:27,341

Xhafer: There's a character in there.

:

00:43:27,341 --> 00:43:30,221

There's a, a female

character in that show.

:

00:43:30,221 --> 00:43:31,847

Female uh, there.

:

00:43:31,847 --> 00:43:32,687

Oh, there's a woman.

:

00:43:32,687 --> 00:43:38,014

It's uh, who uh, gets diagnosed

from a therapist with toxic

:

00:43:38,044 --> 00:43:40,174

has being toxic masculinity,

:

00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:42,724

like having toxic masculinity.

:

00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,049

Laura: I wasn't aware that

it was an actual diagnosis.

:

00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:45,499

Okay.

:

00:43:46,114 --> 00:43:50,734

Xhafer: It's all like, you are clearly

like exerting toxic masculinity on people.

:

00:43:50,974 --> 00:43:53,704

And it's, it's an interesting story beat.

:

00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:56,354

But it reminds me a lot of this exact

:

00:43:56,549 --> 00:43:56,999

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:56,999 --> 00:44:02,459

Starbuck is, is so toxically

masculine in this moment that, yeah.

:

00:44:03,936 --> 00:44:11,646

Sam reminds her, like, none of these

people put you in that cell crazy.

:

00:44:11,646 --> 00:44:13,326

Leo Obin put you in that cell.

:

00:44:14,376 --> 00:44:20,076

And as we just discussed here,

it is extremely possible.

:

00:44:20,136 --> 00:44:22,536

It was literally just crazy.

:

00:44:22,536 --> 00:44:22,956

Leo Obin.

:

00:44:23,436 --> 00:44:23,706

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,751

Laura: There is no way to get

justice on these people who

:

00:44:29,751 --> 00:44:31,246

didn't do the thing to you.

:

00:44:32,106 --> 00:44:32,856

Xhafer: Doesn't matter.

:

00:44:33,126 --> 00:44:33,846

Want to kill him?

:

00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:34,456

Laura: Yep.

:

00:44:34,943 --> 00:44:38,423

Xhafer: The circle convinces

tiro to vote guilty on gata.

:

00:44:39,353 --> 00:44:42,443

As Kara and Sam go their separate ways.

:

00:44:42,443 --> 00:44:42,893

For now,

:

00:44:44,003 --> 00:44:44,423

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:45,106 --> 00:44:45,316

Xhafer: uh,

:

00:44:45,316 --> 00:44:50,156

just, it's very amorphous the status

of their relationship and marriage.

:

00:44:50,711 --> 00:44:52,091

Laura: Truly, truly, yeah.

:

00:44:52,091 --> 00:44:57,371

Saul is arguing that like, if I

killed Ellen for the collaboration

:

00:44:57,371 --> 00:45:01,061

she did, everyone else should have to

die for the collaboration they did.

:

00:45:01,141 --> 00:45:01,561

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:02,261 --> 00:45:06,911

Laura: Like, so I'm, again, I'm

like, Saul, there's that blind spot.

:

00:45:09,266 --> 00:45:09,686

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:45:10,817 --> 00:45:16,255

Laura: Did In the Sam and Starbuck fight,

he went to give her her dog tags back,

:

00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:19,885

the ones that she left and said, this

is my promise, I'm gonna come get you.

:

00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:23,305

When he was on Caprica,

did she take them back?

:

00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:28,795

Xhafer: Um, she hangs it up in her

locker at the end of the episode,

:

00:45:29,155 --> 00:45:29,695

Laura: Oh, okay.

:

00:45:31,495 --> 00:45:31,885

Yeah.

:

00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:32,485

so

:

00:45:32,725 --> 00:45:33,175

Hmm.

:

00:45:34,825 --> 00:45:38,545

Amorphous, but I'm leaning

towards, we're broken.

:

00:45:38,725 --> 00:45:39,445

We're broken up.

:

00:45:39,895 --> 00:45:40,165

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:45:41,308 --> 00:45:45,628

Gada gets, got, gets brought to

that airlock for his last words

:

00:45:45,628 --> 00:45:47,998

slash pleading for his life.

:

00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:53,754

and uh, he's just all like, fuck you

guys, like, you've made your decision.

:

00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:57,324

I'm not gonna beg for my

life and Starbucks all like,

:

00:45:57,324 --> 00:45:58,614

no, you will fucking beg.

:

00:46:01,494 --> 00:46:04,914

Laura: the, the way this goes down

is so interesting because Tiro is

:

00:46:04,914 --> 00:46:07,614

like, speak, tell me your story.

:

00:46:07,614 --> 00:46:10,584

But Connor immediately

starts mocking gata.

:

00:46:10,974 --> 00:46:17,604

I think that if Connor hadn't mocked gata,

GATA might have tried again to explain

:

00:46:17,604 --> 00:46:25,374

the dog bowl and stuff, but Connor's

hostility, Starbucks's previous hostility,

:

00:46:26,269 --> 00:46:26,689

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:26,694 --> 00:46:30,744

Laura: he says, no, I'm, I'd rather

just die than beg for my life.

:

00:46:31,594 --> 00:46:35,254

But Starbucks wants to physically assault

someone, as we've already discussed.

:

00:46:36,064 --> 00:46:41,434

Xhafer: Yeah, she's gotta, she's gotta

work that outta her system and however she

:

00:46:41,434 --> 00:46:43,714

does it, it doesn't really matter to her.

:

00:46:44,614 --> 00:46:45,154

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:46:45,244 --> 00:46:48,094

She starts kicking him, yelling

at him, like you said too.

:

00:46:48,094 --> 00:46:48,664

Beg

:

00:46:48,874 --> 00:46:49,054

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:51,104

Laura: And Mockingly.

:

00:46:51,104 --> 00:46:58,149

Retells the story that he told earlier,

which Tyrell happens to recognize.

:

00:46:58,814 --> 00:47:01,694

Xhafer: So there, there's

a commercial break in here,

:

00:47:01,969 --> 00:47:02,389

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:03,674 --> 00:47:07,784

Xhafer: and I just want you to imagine

like it's at a very tense moment.

:

00:47:08,084 --> 00:47:10,904

Like where it's all like gays,

fate's about to be decided.

:

00:47:11,024 --> 00:47:11,294

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:47:11,294 --> 00:47:12,824

We just read the sentence.

:

00:47:13,034 --> 00:47:14,294

Xhafer: It's like, yeah,

it's a whole thing.

:

00:47:14,564 --> 00:47:17,654

I want you to imagine having to sit

through five minutes of Eureka pre

:

00:47:17,984 --> 00:47:22,964

previews and dove shampoo commercials

instead of continuing on with the show.

:

00:47:23,294 --> 00:47:27,254

This is, I don't know what it is about

this particular commercial break that

:

00:47:27,254 --> 00:47:31,424

made me think, and this is, I'm gonna

be old for a minute, but it's all like.

:

00:47:31,934 --> 00:47:33,524

Y'all got it so easy these days.

:

00:47:35,354 --> 00:47:39,434

You think Amazon's absurd ad

breaks, they don't even compare.

:

00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:45,866

It's literally five minutes of like

sci-fi previews and I don't know why like

:

00:47:45,866 --> 00:47:48,056

shampoo commercials are always on sci-fi.

:

00:47:48,426 --> 00:47:48,776

Laura: Uhhuh.

:

00:47:49,016 --> 00:47:50,696

Xhafer: You, it's a weird choice.

:

00:47:51,491 --> 00:47:55,781

Laura: Maybe it's not though, like maybe

the demographic needs to wash a tear.

:

00:47:56,336 --> 00:47:56,936

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:56,996 --> 00:48:01,166

But also like you're trying to sell

people something that they're not buying.

:

00:48:03,546 --> 00:48:05,951

Laura: but maybe if they see

this pretty woman using it,

:

00:48:05,951 --> 00:48:07,901

then they will think about it.

:

00:48:08,471 --> 00:48:12,161

That's the, that's the whole like

premise of advertising, right?

:

00:48:12,311 --> 00:48:15,851

If we see this pretty woman

doing it, maybe we'll think about

:

00:48:15,911 --> 00:48:16,201

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:16,206 --> 00:48:17,786

It used to be that sex sells.

:

00:48:18,176 --> 00:48:19,916

That used to be how marketing works now.

:

00:48:19,916 --> 00:48:21,716

Outrage sells unfortunately,

:

00:48:22,001 --> 00:48:22,391

Laura: Mm.

:

00:48:22,571 --> 00:48:23,531

I'd rather go back to the

:

00:48:23,666 --> 00:48:25,406

Xhafer: how our, how everything works.

:

00:48:25,676 --> 00:48:26,931

Oh yeah, me for sure.

:

00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:28,481

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:28,646 --> 00:48:29,666

Xhafer: better than outreach.

:

00:48:30,086 --> 00:48:30,656

Big thumb.

:

00:48:30,836 --> 00:48:31,946

Double thumbs up.

:

00:48:34,991 --> 00:48:38,081

Laura: and if you use shampoo, you

might get it every now and again.

:

00:48:38,311 --> 00:48:38,531

Xhafer: Hey.

:

00:48:39,646 --> 00:48:40,816

Laura: It's, it's not gonna hurt.

:

00:48:41,201 --> 00:48:42,371

It won't hurt anything.

:

00:48:42,386 --> 00:48:44,336

Xhafer: I mean, it's why I

use Dove shampoo to this day,

:

00:48:44,921 --> 00:48:49,181

Laura: But Do you remember on sci-fi

where you would have like, okay, we go

:

00:48:49,181 --> 00:48:52,991

to commercial break, we do the eureka

preview, we do a shampoo commercial.

:

00:48:52,991 --> 00:48:57,656

We do the eureka preview again, where

they'd like do the same previews,

:

00:48:58,526 --> 00:49:06,021

Xhafer: And specifically Battlestar

Galactica, um, season four used all

:

00:49:06,341 --> 00:49:08,101

American re rejects for all of their ads.

:

00:49:08,661 --> 00:49:09,236

I think we've

:

00:49:09,251 --> 00:49:09,881

Laura: that was that

:

00:49:09,986 --> 00:49:12,836

Xhafer: pod, but it, it's

something that just sticks in

:

00:49:12,836 --> 00:49:14,366

the back of my brain so much.

:

00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:16,170

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:16,500

Yeah.

:

00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,310

Every now and again I'll hear a song come

on and I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that.

:

00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:21,260

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:22,804 --> 00:49:23,284

Laura: Yep.

:

00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:27,537

So Tyrell Tyrell's livid

:

00:49:27,537 --> 00:49:27,927

here.

:

00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:30,837

He's got the source.

:

00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:35,677

He immediately cuts gita's bonds the

same way that Jamer cut Cali's bonds.

:

00:49:36,037 --> 00:49:40,867

Frees him, sets him, says, go and

just yells at Saul like you've

:

00:49:40,897 --> 00:49:42,157

fucking lunatic.

:

00:49:42,447 --> 00:49:45,892

Xhafer: this fucking innocent ass

dude who is the only reason that

:

00:49:45,952 --> 00:49:47,087

the resistance was successful.

:

00:49:47,627 --> 00:49:48,047

Mm-hmm.

:

00:49:48,097 --> 00:49:48,547

Laura: Right?

:

00:49:49,897 --> 00:49:50,287

Yeah.

:

00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,247

He was working.

:

00:49:52,147 --> 00:49:55,447

On the inside in the same kind

of sort of way that you were

:

00:49:55,447 --> 00:49:57,307

working on the inside for Adama.

:

00:49:57,367 --> 00:50:02,947

Like you were on Caprica for Adama, he was

inside the administration for us, like,

:

00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:03,327

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:50:04,117 --> 00:50:05,947

Laura: can't do this.

:

00:50:06,977 --> 00:50:09,887

And then we immediately cut to

Adama and Rosalyn confronting

:

00:50:09,887 --> 00:50:11,927

Zurich about this whole business.

:

00:50:12,647 --> 00:50:20,147

So what I wanna ask you, do

we get any idea who snitched?

:

00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:25,233

Is that gonna come up later, or

is this just gonna be ambiguous?

:

00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:25,263

I,

:

00:50:25,308 --> 00:50:28,458

Xhafer: don't, I don't remember

if it comes up later and I

:

00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:30,468

don't remember if we find out

:

00:50:30,933 --> 00:50:32,703

Laura: I think there's plausible,

:

00:50:33,168 --> 00:50:33,978

Xhafer: it's gotta be Andrews

:

00:50:34,623 --> 00:50:34,743

Laura: yeah.

:

00:50:34,743 --> 00:50:40,053

I was gonna say Anders Tyrell could

have been just like, fuck this as well.

:

00:50:40,083 --> 00:50:40,933

Xhafer: Once it was done.

:

00:50:41,083 --> 00:50:41,373

Yeah.

:

00:50:41,598 --> 00:50:43,668

Tell, tell Papao what was going on.

:

00:50:44,073 --> 00:50:45,243

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:45,244 --> 00:50:45,254

I.

:

00:50:45,318 --> 00:50:50,868

I think the next possible one could

be Saul, except that I don't think so,

:

00:50:50,868 --> 00:50:56,688

because I think he's too stuck on the,

I've been given a task, I finish a task.

:

00:50:57,558 --> 00:51:00,918

But yeah, I was like, I

am not sure who it was.

:

00:51:00,918 --> 00:51:06,168

They don't explicitly state and they may

never, and that would probably be fine.

:

00:51:07,098 --> 00:51:10,668

Or GAA could have gone and snitched

'cause he actually lived through his trial

:

00:51:10,913 --> 00:51:11,203

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:13,428 --> 00:51:17,268

Laura: would be maybe a bad idea

later for working with Saul.

:

00:51:17,268 --> 00:51:17,508

But

:

00:51:18,475 --> 00:51:21,805

So Zurich has this whole story

of why this is necessary.

:

00:51:22,495 --> 00:51:30,505

Like we can't do this with due process as

we know it because it will take forever.

:

00:51:30,505 --> 00:51:32,785

It will be witch trials where.

:

00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,290

Innocent people get accused

because I don't like his face.

:

00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:43,540

And this is not the time.

:

00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:50,740

We can't we cannot devolve into that

because then we won't achieve our goals.

:

00:51:50,815 --> 00:51:51,115

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,230

Laura: But also these

people can't stay among us.

:

00:51:54,830 --> 00:51:57,800

Is his, like his whole guiding philosophy?

:

00:51:57,935 --> 00:51:58,985

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

:

00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:01,955

He's real big on, it's all like,

we've got a broken system and

:

00:52:01,955 --> 00:52:03,545

they're just gonna dodge justice.

:

00:52:04,145 --> 00:52:04,475

Right.

:

00:52:05,325 --> 00:52:09,165

But Roslyn reminds us that the

Constitution applies to everyone.

:

00:52:10,035 --> 00:52:10,485

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:11,025 --> 00:52:15,825

So we are at a sort of an

impasse here in this moment.

:

00:52:16,785 --> 00:52:20,925

Zurich has his efficiency argument.

:

00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:21,440

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:52:21,975 --> 00:52:23,475

Laura: This will not work.

:

00:52:23,865 --> 00:52:26,925

You will have too many things going on.

:

00:52:26,925 --> 00:52:32,085

No one will get anything done, and

you have like the right thing to do.

:

00:52:35,115 --> 00:52:38,355

And so we cut to Rosalyn swearing in.

:

00:52:39,728 --> 00:52:40,028

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:48,378

Laura: Rosalyn has decided

that in lieu of the.

:

00:52:49,503 --> 00:52:52,713

Whole Justice Circus that Zurich proposed.

:

00:52:53,353 --> 00:52:55,453

We're gonna do a Truth and

Reconciliation Committee.

:

00:52:56,113 --> 00:52:59,773

Everybody's pardoned, but we're

gonna find out exactly what

:

00:52:59,773 --> 00:53:00,733

the hell happened everywhere

:

00:53:01,143 --> 00:53:01,563

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:02,863 --> 00:53:05,833

Laura: and we're gonna reconcile

with our neighbors and fellow man.

:

00:53:06,523 --> 00:53:12,253

And you two are gonna shake hands and

tell each other that you love each

:

00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:17,713

other because you are siblings and

we're all gonna get along basically.

:

00:53:19,168 --> 00:53:19,498

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:20,845 --> 00:53:22,975

Laura: And Daddy backs this up.

:

00:53:23,335 --> 00:53:28,075

Daddy Adama is the first

one standing O applause.

:

00:53:29,047 --> 00:53:29,467

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:32,447

Laura: Uncle Eric reluctantly comes along

:

00:53:33,872 --> 00:53:36,752

Xhafer: Well, I mean, he's, you

know, the most senior elected

:

00:53:36,752 --> 00:53:37,832

official in the government.

:

00:53:38,222 --> 00:53:44,862

So, she says some stuff about like, being

grateful for the gift of the people,

:

00:53:45,012 --> 00:53:46,632

you know, to choose her to do this

:

00:53:46,827 --> 00:53:49,497

Laura: Yeah, that's, that's

where you were gonna mention,

:

00:53:49,872 --> 00:53:50,442

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:51,402 --> 00:53:52,782

Hey bullshit.

:

00:53:53,067 --> 00:53:57,537

Laura: I mean, she has the gift of

the people's representatives, right?

:

00:53:59,307 --> 00:54:01,377

Xhafer: Yeah, I feel great about that.

:

00:54:03,822 --> 00:54:04,112

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:54:04,377 --> 00:54:06,507

Representative Democracy works perfect.

:

00:54:06,507 --> 00:54:07,317

It's great.

:

00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:08,427

No problems.

:

00:54:09,147 --> 00:54:10,947

A plus work here,

:

00:54:11,937 --> 00:54:12,297

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:54:12,297 --> 00:54:13,317

All right.

:

00:54:13,347 --> 00:54:14,157

Well, yep.

:

00:54:14,727 --> 00:54:19,017

I mean this is also a lot easier

to do for her because of Zurich,

:

00:54:19,917 --> 00:54:23,277

and I don't think what Zarek did is

right to be absolutely clear here.

:

00:54:23,307 --> 00:54:27,297

I'm definitely on Team Roslyn

on this matter and that

:

00:54:27,687 --> 00:54:29,157

everyone deserves due process.

:

00:54:30,132 --> 00:54:34,267

But when all the worst traders are

already airlock and baltar is MIA,

:

00:54:34,807 --> 00:54:36,247

it's a lot easier to say mass.

:

00:54:36,247 --> 00:54:36,577

Pardon?

:

00:54:36,577 --> 00:54:37,867

When you don't have to worry about mass.

:

00:54:37,867 --> 00:54:38,287

Pardon?

:

00:54:38,287 --> 00:54:42,517

But, oh, well this one guy

killed 20 people in a size raid.

:

00:54:43,147 --> 00:54:43,597

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:54:43,627 --> 00:54:45,067

Xhafer: Um, you know, you've

:

00:54:45,067 --> 00:54:47,467

already had your little Nuremberg, so.

:

00:54:48,449 --> 00:54:51,029

Laura: Baltar killed

more like than 20 people.

:

00:54:51,029 --> 00:54:53,159

If you just count up

like all the size rates.

:

00:54:53,429 --> 00:54:53,849

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:54:55,469 --> 00:54:58,949

Laura: Just that nobody even has

to know about Cloud nine too,

:

00:54:59,309 --> 00:54:59,759

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:54:59,849 --> 00:55:00,149

Well, they

:

00:55:00,179 --> 00:55:01,829

Laura: like Right.

:

00:55:02,759 --> 00:55:03,629

They don't, yeah.

:

00:55:04,349 --> 00:55:09,419

They just think it was a hiddens nuke and

they have no idea that it was Baltar's.

:

00:55:09,424 --> 00:55:09,874

Hiddens, nuke.

:

00:55:10,709 --> 00:55:11,069

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:55:12,839 --> 00:55:18,869

So I mean, if Baltar is here,

this doesn't happen, right?

:

00:55:20,819 --> 00:55:26,069

If, if all of the worst people

from SE are still running around,

:

00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:28,769

this probably doesn't happen.

:

00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:29,609

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:30,449 --> 00:55:37,379

Xhafer: So she still accepts

Zurich's gift horse despite looking

:

00:55:37,379 --> 00:55:39,763

it in the mouth, I don't know.

:

00:55:39,823 --> 00:55:40,903

It's just worth calling out.

:

00:55:40,963 --> 00:55:43,783

Uh, the, the show does not try

to have perfect characters.

:

00:55:44,862 --> 00:55:50,622

Um, or present situations in a

way where everyone is doing the

:

00:55:50,622 --> 00:55:52,212

right thing all of the time.

:

00:55:52,272 --> 00:55:53,952

That's not what happens on this show.

:

00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:59,577

Laura: Yeah, I am very curious how

this little team up 'cause I don't

:

00:55:59,577 --> 00:56:02,157

think she revoked her vice president,

:

00:56:03,537 --> 00:56:04,947

uh, offer.

:

00:56:05,007 --> 00:56:05,547

Did she?

:

00:56:06,277 --> 00:56:08,382

Xhafer: I don't remember, but we'll

probably find out in an episode or

:

00:56:08,517 --> 00:56:08,937

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:56:09,057 --> 00:56:12,447

I'm curious how that's gonna

go if we're teaming up.

:

00:56:12,882 --> 00:56:15,252

Xhafer: I'm curious how you're

gonna rate this episode on a

:

00:56:15,252 --> 00:56:16,662

scale of one to 12 colonies.

:

00:56:16,737 --> 00:56:19,767

Laura: Oh, first we gotta talk about

the button on the episode though.

:

00:56:19,812 --> 00:56:20,832

Xhafer: Oh, there's a little button.

:

00:56:20,902 --> 00:56:23,002

The chief sits with gata at the end.

:

00:56:24,052 --> 00:56:24,772

It's nice.

:

00:56:25,147 --> 00:56:26,167

Laura: Yeah, Tyrell's.

:

00:56:26,347 --> 00:56:28,117

Tyrell's gonna make that first.

:

00:56:28,882 --> 00:56:29,782

Xhafer: That overture.

:

00:56:30,247 --> 00:56:30,397

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:31,267 --> 00:56:38,167

And good leadership, Tyrell, like if we've

been told we have to all shake hands and

:

00:56:38,227 --> 00:56:44,137

love each other 'cause we're siblings,

might as well be the bigger person.

:

00:56:44,857 --> 00:56:48,667

But there was, there was one F.

:

00:56:49,027 --> 00:56:51,637

First off, let's talk about

this before we get to ratings.

:

00:56:51,877 --> 00:56:51,967

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:58,950

Laura: How in the fucking hell

has Gada not had this important

:

00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:05,010

conversation with someone in

three days of being on Galactica?

:

00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:10,080

How did he not request an

appointment with Zurich or Adama?

:

00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:18,180

Or, I can see why you wouldn't request

one with Saul, but maybe Lee to say like,

:

00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:20,025

Hey, I was the mole.

:

00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:24,870

Xhafer: the way this goes down, it

becomes clear that Gada did not know

:

00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:27,000

who he was dropping information to.

:

00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:28,620

Laura: He could.

:

00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:34,350

He could say I was providing information

and they would figure it out.

:

00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:37,170

Xhafer: yeah, I feel like you

meet with Adama and be like, Hey.

:

00:57:38,205 --> 00:57:40,335

When the resistance was

there, I was doing this.

:

00:57:40,515 --> 00:57:41,475

This was the method.

:

00:57:41,535 --> 00:57:42,585

These are the things I did.

:

00:57:42,765 --> 00:57:45,855

I don't know who was receiving it in the

resistance, but I knew that they were.

:

00:57:46,605 --> 00:57:49,575

So you find that person, they will

confirm the other half of the story.

:

00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:50,580

Laura: Yes.

:

00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:55,350

And Adama can put you in protective

custody or like a BRI or something

:

00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:57,210

until it's all settled.

:

00:57:57,375 --> 00:58:01,845

Xhafer: don't know that people are

disappearing and they don't, I mean,

:

00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:05,190

Laura: And to me, it doesn't matter

because we don't, yeah, we don't know.

:

00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:08,460

People are dying, but we know

Gata was right next to Baltar.

:

00:58:08,490 --> 00:58:09,960

He's at risk.

:

00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,770

Somebody's just gonna be mad at

his little face and punch him.

:

00:58:14,115 --> 00:58:14,445

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:58:16,905 --> 00:58:17,115

That's

:

00:58:17,205 --> 00:58:20,865

Laura: had three days to think about

this and it didn't, didn't come up

:

00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:29,837

to, to gata or Adama or like, mm,

big is it stupid or is it silent?

:

00:58:30,672 --> 00:58:31,092

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:32,627 --> 00:58:37,757

Laura: And then we get a little, a little

bear McCreary note right at the end

:

00:58:37,757 --> 00:58:43,487

where they're having their little first

meal together where I was like, oh shit.

:

00:58:43,492 --> 00:58:44,562

That's the s note.

:

00:58:47,717 --> 00:58:50,927

So all I'm saying is, I don't know.

:

00:58:51,872 --> 00:58:52,052

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:58:52,052 --> 00:58:53,222

You think gave us a silo.

:

00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:55,637

Laura: I mean, I did, I did admire our

:

00:58:55,637 --> 00:58:56,027

halfway

:

00:58:56,252 --> 00:58:59,402

Xhafer: would he be informing as a silo?

:

00:59:00,512 --> 00:59:00,872

How

:

00:59:00,947 --> 00:59:02,627

Laura: all silences know There's silences.

:

00:59:02,762 --> 00:59:03,422

Xhafer: Oh, okay.

:

00:59:03,422 --> 00:59:03,782

Fair.

:

00:59:04,442 --> 00:59:06,992

That seems like very uns silent activity.

:

00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:08,477

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:59:08,507 --> 00:59:08,897

Yeah.

:

00:59:08,897 --> 00:59:10,427

But you know, we've, we've had.

:

00:59:10,907 --> 00:59:13,937

Boomer be all wiped of that.

:

00:59:14,267 --> 00:59:15,707

And you know what I mean?

:

00:59:15,707 --> 00:59:19,757

The, the silent model you in was never

uncomfortable with him being around.

:

00:59:20,372 --> 00:59:21,032

Xhafer: That's true.

:

00:59:21,842 --> 00:59:23,132

Mm, that's a good point.

:

00:59:24,287 --> 00:59:26,087

Laura: dunno dunno.

:

00:59:27,157 --> 00:59:27,577

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:27,647 --> 00:59:30,197

Laura: know that we can also

just throw the silent notes out

:

00:59:30,197 --> 00:59:31,547

there too, throw people off.

:

00:59:31,547 --> 00:59:32,627

So it's whatever.

:

00:59:32,627 --> 00:59:33,467

But I was like, mm,

:

00:59:35,935 --> 00:59:37,615

now we can rate the episode.

:

00:59:38,005 --> 00:59:39,115

Xhafer: How'd you feel about this one?

:

00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:44,275

Laura: It, it wasn't, I think this

happens to me every time, like when

:

00:59:44,275 --> 00:59:49,375

we have the big resolution and then

we're gonna have the episode after

:

00:59:49,375 --> 00:59:52,615

where there's a bunch of uncomfortable

stuff that I know we're gonna have

:

00:59:52,615 --> 00:59:55,375

to deal with from the big problem.

:

00:59:56,555 --> 01:00:00,335

And then I don't watch it for a while

'cause I'm just anxious about that.

:

01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:05,115

It didn't, it again, it

wasn't as bad as like.

:

01:00:05,655 --> 01:00:08,295

My brain was like, oh

no, this is gonna suck.

:

01:00:08,535 --> 01:00:08,805

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:00:09,325 --> 01:00:13,195

Laura: But I have a feeling that's because

we've got this fuse that's just like lit

:

01:00:14,065 --> 01:00:17,335

and eventually we're gonna

have to box those feelings out.

:

01:00:17,335 --> 01:00:19,165

But some other shit is

gonna keep happening.

:

01:00:19,165 --> 01:00:21,025

We're just gonna keep

having these feelings.

:

01:00:21,779 --> 01:00:26,939

But for me, two big plot holes

are, you really want me to believe

:

01:00:26,939 --> 01:00:32,159

that Callie never told Tyrell

that somebody cut her bonds?

:

01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:32,369

Like,

:

01:00:32,399 --> 01:00:32,849

that's

:

01:00:32,924 --> 01:00:34,334

Xhafer: mean, it does it.

:

01:00:34,634 --> 01:00:36,194

That's not the point of that.

:

01:00:36,584 --> 01:00:39,674

The point of that is that it

doesn't fucking matter because

:

01:00:39,674 --> 01:00:41,504

he did too little too late,

:

01:00:42,404 --> 01:00:47,024

and he still did way too much

damage for saving Cali to matter.

:

01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,249

Laura: And, and I don't think

Tyrell would've changed his mind had

:

01:00:50,249 --> 01:00:51,839

they had that conversation before.

:

01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:54,869

But for me, like plot hole is

like, really, you're gonna tell me

:

01:00:54,869 --> 01:00:56,879

we didn't have this conversation?

:

01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:01,859

And you could've easily

written that as just like.

:

01:01:02,399 --> 01:01:05,819

I've talked to Callie, but

this, that doesn't matter.

:

01:01:05,999 --> 01:01:08,999

Instead, it was like, oh, no tension.

:

01:01:09,989 --> 01:01:16,409

And then this whole gada business of

like, he just didn't go talk to anybody.

:

01:01:16,409 --> 01:01:17,219

That's wild.

:

01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:19,769

So I don't know.

:

01:01:19,769 --> 01:01:22,199

That kind of knocked it

down a little bit for me.

:

01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,829

Um, I'd probably give it

like an eight, I guess.

:

01:01:27,249 --> 01:01:27,669

Xhafer: Okay.

:

01:01:28,149 --> 01:01:32,169

Laura: Also, I just don't like, like

extra judicial actions of any sort.

:

01:01:33,099 --> 01:01:34,779

Xhafer: I love this episode.

:

01:01:35,314 --> 01:01:35,604

Laura: Okay.

:

01:01:36,339 --> 01:01:43,659

Xhafer: Um, I think this episode

does a really good job of one

:

01:01:44,169 --> 01:01:49,029

confronting the fallout from the last

couple of episodes, that emotional

:

01:01:49,029 --> 01:01:51,279

baggage like we were talking about,

you don't like those episodes.

:

01:01:51,279 --> 01:01:52,089

I love those episodes.

:

01:01:52,089 --> 01:01:55,239

One of my favorite episodes of the Next

Generation is Brothers, which is the

:

01:01:55,269 --> 01:01:57,669

episode right after Best of both worlds.

:

01:01:58,479 --> 01:02:00,849

Laura: It's like the only

emotional baggage episode,

:

01:02:00,849 --> 01:02:01,149

really?

:

01:02:02,337 --> 01:02:08,847

Xhafer: so I, I'm a big fan of that

stuff because so often in media.

:

01:02:09,507 --> 01:02:14,817

Like, and we did the thing and we

were the heroes and that was great.

:

01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:18,747

And even though we suffered greatly

to save the day, we save the day.

:

01:02:18,747 --> 01:02:19,917

And that's all that matters.

:

01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:23,067

And there's no such thing

as emotional scarring.

:

01:02:23,637 --> 01:02:23,907

And

:

01:02:24,117 --> 01:02:26,457

Laura: I feel like nineties

trek does that a lot.

:

01:02:26,847 --> 01:02:29,127

Xhafer: nineties Trek does

alleged just media in general.

:

01:02:29,697 --> 01:02:35,487

Um, I think, I think pre nine

11 media did it zero times.

:

01:02:35,487 --> 01:02:40,137

Well, brothers, um, did it

very little post nine 11.

:

01:02:40,137 --> 01:02:43,947

There was kind of an upsurge,

but you got it sometimes.

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01:02:44,097 --> 01:02:46,002

And sometimes it was

just patriotic bullshit.

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01:02:46,647 --> 01:02:47,067

Right.

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01:02:47,082 --> 01:02:47,432

Laura: Right.

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01:02:48,307 --> 01:02:50,617

Xhafer: And it was just all like,

no, the good guys are the good guys.

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01:02:50,707 --> 01:02:52,087

Don't worry about, don't think about it.

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01:02:52,417 --> 01:02:54,937

Don't think about all the people

that they just killed, right?

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01:02:55,177 --> 01:02:59,077

The, the a hundred people that

just died to save whatever, right?

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01:02:59,077 --> 01:02:59,647

Doesn't matter.

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01:03:00,211 --> 01:03:01,621

so I like that.

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01:03:01,721 --> 01:03:05,916

It, it really reinforces the actions of

consequences side of thi sides of things.

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01:03:06,211 --> 01:03:06,561

Laura: Uhhuh.

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01:03:07,056 --> 01:03:09,581

Xhafer: Um, so I, I

really appreciate that.

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01:03:09,641 --> 01:03:19,181

Um, it does a lot to call into

question Saul, who was fucking

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01:03:19,181 --> 01:03:21,281

insane for the last five episodes.

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01:03:21,681 --> 01:03:24,561

You know, I mean, literally

strapping bombs onto people.

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01:03:25,041 --> 01:03:29,061

Laura: May be fucking

insane for just forever now.

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01:03:29,181 --> 01:03:29,511

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:03:31,161 --> 01:03:32,211

There's a lot of questions.

:

01:03:32,211 --> 01:03:35,631

And also there's just like a lot of shit

that's gonna have to get reconciled.

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01:03:36,291 --> 01:03:40,941

Um, and this starts that

process in a meaningful way.

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01:03:42,096 --> 01:03:44,676

So I'm gonna say uh, 11 out of 12.

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01:03:45,178 --> 01:03:45,478

Yeah.

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01:03:45,898 --> 01:03:46,228

Yeah.

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01:03:46,438 --> 01:03:47,308

I really like this one.

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01:03:47,713 --> 01:03:48,463

Laura: That's interesting.

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I think part of my discomfort is like

us as viewers, knowing not the whole

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01:03:54,763 --> 01:04:00,353

story, but obviously because there's

the whole like silent duplicity and but

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01:04:00,353 --> 01:04:07,133

we have so much perspective that the

characters in it don't have, and I'm

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01:04:07,133 --> 01:04:11,573

like, I just want you guys to just talk

to each other and fucking work it out.

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01:04:11,573 --> 01:04:14,933

just just stop doing this bullshit.

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01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:16,913

Go watch the tape.

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01:04:18,578 --> 01:04:18,728

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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01:04:19,958 --> 01:04:23,573

Laura: And yeah, that's

not actually possible.

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01:04:23,603 --> 01:04:24,023

So.

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01:04:25,628 --> 01:04:30,218

Xhafer: Well, what is possible is watching

the next episode of Battlestar Galactica.

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01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:34,238

We got season three, episode six, torn.

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01:04:35,153 --> 01:04:37,043

Lingering feelings of rage.

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01:04:37,418 --> 01:04:41,318

Lead Ty and Kara to cause

problems on Galactica.

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01:04:41,888 --> 01:04:45,698

Baltar assists the cylons and uncovers

details of their civilization.

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01:04:46,238 --> 01:04:50,528

And a cylon base ship falls

ill to mysterious disease.

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01:04:51,693 --> 01:04:51,913

Laura: Oh,

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01:04:53,618 --> 01:04:54,698

Xhafer: Sick robots.

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01:04:55,358 --> 01:04:55,688

I wonder if it's

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01:04:56,168 --> 01:04:56,378

a virus.

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01:04:58,058 --> 01:04:58,358

Laura: yeah.

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01:04:58,358 --> 01:05:04,208

Did, did Baltar bring human

germs on board and make problems

:

01:05:06,428 --> 01:05:08,678

like uh, like Independence Day style?

:

01:05:09,398 --> 01:05:10,028

Oh, no, sorry.

:

01:05:10,028 --> 01:05:12,578

War of the Worlds, the, the

original Independence Day is War

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01:05:12,578 --> 01:05:13,508

of the Worlds where that happens.

:

01:05:17,618 --> 01:05:18,068

Hmm.

:

01:05:18,544 --> 01:05:22,624

I, one thing we didn't talk about during

the episode that I just wanna point out

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01:05:22,624 --> 01:05:28,894

like we did get an awesome Zoom out on the

Bay Star fleet thing that was happening.

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01:05:29,734 --> 01:05:31,024

That was really cool.

:

01:05:31,413 --> 01:05:35,194

Xhafer: Yeah, we got to see like five bay

stars and a resurrection ship hanging out.

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01:05:36,274 --> 01:05:39,184

Laura: That CGI looked really good

and it kind of reminded me of like

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01:05:39,184 --> 01:05:41,014

some of the previous episodes.

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01:05:41,284 --> 01:05:41,884

Cool.

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01:05:41,884 --> 01:05:42,874

CGI, we got,

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01:05:43,174 --> 01:05:43,504

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:05:44,051 --> 01:05:44,471

All right.

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01:05:44,801 --> 01:05:46,151

Well I think that's, that's it.

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01:05:46,871 --> 01:05:47,111

Laura: That's

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01:05:47,111 --> 01:05:47,441

it.

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01:05:47,861 --> 01:05:48,011

We

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01:05:48,041 --> 01:05:49,541

Xhafer: So we should, we

should probably say thank you.

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01:05:50,231 --> 01:05:50,411

Hey.

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01:05:50,711 --> 01:05:51,401

Hey, Jeremy.

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01:05:51,701 --> 01:05:52,451

Jeremy Siegel.

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01:05:53,141 --> 01:05:54,461

Jeremy Siegel, 40 two.band

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01:05:54,461 --> 01:05:55,151

camp.com.

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01:05:55,481 --> 01:05:58,751

Thanks so much for doing our theme music.

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01:05:59,271 --> 01:06:00,981

You can find more of Jeremy's work.

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01:06:01,311 --> 01:06:04,671

I actually don't know where, because

I opened Instagram for the first time

:

01:06:04,671 --> 01:06:08,721

in like two months earlier today and

saw that you had sent me a message

:

01:06:08,721 --> 01:06:13,131

weeks ago telling me that Jeremy has

removed all his stuff from Spotify.

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01:06:13,401 --> 01:06:17,421

So I don't know where you can

find his music, but I hope you can

:

01:06:17,748 --> 01:06:20,628

Laura: Let me just uh, check

the old Apple Music real quick.

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01:06:20,718 --> 01:06:21,902

Uh, But

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01:06:22,471 --> 01:06:23,702

Xhafer: probably band camp.

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01:06:25,352 --> 01:06:29,951

Laura: yeah nuclear Jaguar is

still available on Apple Music.

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01:06:30,061 --> 01:06:32,011

I think there were some serious

:

01:06:33,031 --> 01:06:36,661

Xhafer: Oh, all the nuclear

Jaguar stuff is on Band Camp too.

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01:06:37,321 --> 01:06:37,771

Laura: Excellent.

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01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:38,870

Xhafer: Under that.

:

01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:39,920

Jeremy Siegel 42.

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01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:39,980

So,

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01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:41,810

Laura: Good.

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01:06:42,446 --> 01:06:45,446

We shouldn't lose Jeremy

because Spotify sucks

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01:06:46,064 --> 01:06:47,024

Xhafer: so correct.

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01:06:47,918 --> 01:06:50,348

Oh, he did the Vanderpump

Robs theme song too.

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01:06:50,353 --> 01:06:50,693

That's fun.

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01:06:51,398 --> 01:06:51,728

Laura: Yeah.

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01:06:55,898 --> 01:06:59,435

And uh, you know, if you open

your Instagram for the first time

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01:06:59,435 --> 01:07:03,570

in months, you can go check out

Angry Deck Time Machine there for.

:

01:07:04,445 --> 01:07:07,535

More work by our podcast artwork artist.

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01:07:07,895 --> 01:07:08,555

Xhafer: Sure can.

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01:07:08,961 --> 01:07:12,591

Aaron, thanks so much for editing this

podcast, especially on a tight timeframe.

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01:07:12,921 --> 01:07:13,736

We appreciate it.

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01:07:13,736 --> 01:07:14,416

Thanks so much.

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01:07:15,201 --> 01:07:16,731

Laura: Yeah, thanks a bunch.

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01:07:16,731 --> 01:07:20,121

And listener, if you wanna come

talk to us more in the Discord,

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01:07:20,961 --> 01:07:24,861

come tell us about whether or not

Patrick Stewart is wearing a wig and

:

01:07:24,861 --> 01:07:27,081

I Claudius hop on over the discord.

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01:07:27,081 --> 01:07:33,051

I would love to know, bring

your special interest to me.

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01:07:35,601 --> 01:07:36,561

Xhafer: We'll see you next week.

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01:07:36,561 --> 01:07:37,041

Internet.

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01:07:37,521 --> 01:07:38,241

Laura: Bye.

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01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:38,511

Xhafer: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.