Episode 227

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22nd Jul 2026

BSG S4E12 - Chief Throws Hands

Laura and Xhafer can't stop pitching BSG spinoffs nobody asked for. Laura finally understands why everyone ignored Nicky. Xhafer's segue skills come in handy. This episode covers the Battlestar Galactica Season 4 webisodes: Face of the Enemy.

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well now that was depressing:

Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two friends who used

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to be strangers, but they aren't anymore.

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Currently watching 2004's

Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Jafare

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WTF: And I'm Laura

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well now that was depressing:

How you doing?

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WTF: Good.

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How are you doing?

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We just had one

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well now that was depressing: I'm good

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WTF: How was your holiday?

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well now that was depressing: Yeah, I'm on

day four of my extended weekend right now.

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WTF: Mm-hmm.

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well now that was depressing: Back to

work tomorrow, but I needed this break

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WTF: Yeah, I think we all did.

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: because it's the holiday where

we're supposed to feel good about our

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country, and I'm not really doing that.

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well now that was depressing:

I got, I got fee-fees for sure.

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I had a family gathering

yesterday that was

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WTF: As one does, yeah.

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well now that was depressing: civil.

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My uncle came in ready to, ready to go.

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You know, was all like, "Oh," like, "Ugh,

you hear about this woman in New York

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who wants to get rid of all prisons and

remove consequences for all actions?"

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And I'm all like, "That

doesn't sound right,

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WTF: doesn't feel real.

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well now that was depressing:

but you know what?"

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It's like, I'm all like, "Mm, that

doesn't feel entirely accurate."

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And then he looked at me like he was

gonna say something else, and I looked

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over and my sister, my sister's best

friend, my brother-in-law were there.

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This was at my sister's house.

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She was hosting, so she gets

to invite her best friend.

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And, and they're like Beth.

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And r- I look over at this

collective group, and they're

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all just all like, "Nope."

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No one's saying a word.

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Everyone's just nodding no.

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My uncle, of course, faced towards

me, doesn't see any of them.

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WTF: Yeah, that's

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well now that was depressing:

And it's just, it was, it

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was real funny, um, for me.

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Uh, And I'm just all like, "Okay.

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Well, you know, that's crazy, but…"

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And then we just moved on.

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The conver- I, like, segued into

the status of their fence in the

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backyard that they were building.

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WTF: Mm-hmm.

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well now that was depressing:

you, podcasting for making

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that non-sequitur possible.

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And

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uh,

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WTF: Yeah, it is really

helpful sometimes, isn't it?

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well now that was depressing: the ability

to just pick a couple of words and make it

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about something completely different, man,

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WTF: Mm-hmm

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well now that was depressing: that segue

ability that I've been practicing for…

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Fuck.

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This is episode 228 of this podcast,

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WTF: Of this one, yeah.

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well now that was depressing: of this one.

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I've got,

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WTF: Others

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well now that was depressing: others

with over 100 episodes each I have to be.

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I think, did I…

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I have to be over 500 episodes by now.

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WTF: Yeah,

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well now that was depressing:

I probably looked at one

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point, but I don't, whatever.

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A lot.

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There's a lot of me

talking on the internet.

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WTF: Yeah.

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Uh, We, we had a much smaller

family thing, so nothing crazy.

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We did have the, this fun moment

last night, you know, last night

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being the fireworks night, right?

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Fireworks time, you know, you're

getting towards dusk, people started

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shooting off, like, a whole bunch of

fireworks because we had a storm roll

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through that was, that was building up.

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so you hear fireworks, like, up until the

storm starts, and the storm lasted till,

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well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm

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WTF: I don't know, midnight.

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And of course, immediately right after the

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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WTF: over.

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Like,

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I was like, "Yeah, I'm not gonna get

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Cool."

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well now that was depressing: I

had to check the city ordinances

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for when fireworks had to stop

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WTF: I know.

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I'm very curmudgeonly

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well now that was depressing: Look,

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WTF: now

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well now that was depressing:

I, I wasn't-- I'm not, I'm not

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the kind of guy who's gonna

call the cops on their neighbor.

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100%, that's not it.

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I did not check to be all

like, "Ah-da-bra-da-bra."

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I checked to have a reasonable

expectation because I also know

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that my neighbors would look it

up and not violate this rule.

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WTF: Mm-hmm

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well now that was depressing: And so

like when it's:

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WTF: Hmm.

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well now that was depressing: "When,

when does the city say this has to stop?"

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And on July 4th, there's a

special pass to go until:

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WTF: is.

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Yeah, yeah

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well now that was depressing:

And it was like, "Okay, cool."

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And sure enough, 11:40, big

ex- grand finales, done.

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WTF: Good.

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Good

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well now that was depressing: nice

to see people celebrating though.

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WTF: sure.

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well now that was depressing:

No disquiet in their souls

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WTF: I mean, they can also

have some disquiet in their

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well now that was depressing:

I'm sure they do, 100%.

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WTF: But I think there's some

disquiet in a lot of other

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souls we gotta talk about today

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well now that was depressing:

Yeah, it's "Battlestar

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Galactica," Season 4, Episode 12.

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Wasn't that a good segue?

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No "A Disquiet Follows My Soul."

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WTF: Mm-hmm.

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well now that was depressing: We open

on Adama getting ready for the day.

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It's…

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This scene was striking to me because

there's no background music or talking.

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It's, like, the sound of him

shuffling and shaving and stuff.

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WTF: yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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He's, he's got this book he pulls

out and reads a little bit of.

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well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm

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WTF: he's leaving his room for the day,

he picks up some trash in the hall.

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: does that a couple of times in this

episode, picking up trash in the hall.

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I

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well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

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WTF: that's nice.

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That's a nice metaphor for

a lot of things happening."

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well now that was depressing: Symbolism

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WTF: yeah.

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I … Before the opener, though,

I just wanna call out that

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I, I did clock it in the LTO.

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I was like, "Oh, we're finally

gonna remember fucking Nikki, huh?"

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'Cause they, like, showed some things

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: in the LTO.

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And I, I say, I was interested

and impressed in where it went.

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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Hiding, keeping this one quiet

has been a fun challenge.

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WTF: I've been so mad about what

the fuck, nobody gives a fuck

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well now that was depressing: W-

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WTF: Nikki

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well now that was depressing: not,

not only have you been so mad about

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no one gives a fuck about Nikki, but

also we've been making jokes about

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h- how horny Hot Dog is on this

podcast, and there's like one…

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In the show itself, there's like one line

that makes you think he's a horny dude,

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WTF: his

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well now that was depressing: and we

were making jokes before that and after.

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Like, we have always been making jokes

about Hot Dog being a horny dude, and

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so when he ends up being the dad in

this ep- Like, sitting on that one,

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WTF: Hilarious

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well now that was depressing: have

even made a joke about him having

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kids he doesn't know about on the ship

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WTF: Oh

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well now that was depressing:

an earlier episode of POD.

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N- just shot in the dark on

this one, like as a joke.

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WTF: Yeah if

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well now that was depressing: yeah.

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We did it

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WTF: past me Like I didn't even

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's very like, "Oh yeah,

funny, ha ha ha ha," 'cause that's

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not a plot point one would expect.

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WTF: So cause the the whole marriage

between Tyrole and Callie was basically

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skipped over for us We didn't see

any of the build exact buildup and

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the actual Maybe we saw the wedding

in like a webisode flashback or

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something or a flashback somewhere

in the proper they don't tell us

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anything about like shotgun wedding

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: and basically it seems kinda

like that's what it was Even it it

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may have only been from her point of

view that it was a shotgun wedding

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: so I don't know I guess my brain

just sort of forgot that that happens

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and I just went with like the the

general social order of how marriage is

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well now that was depressing:

Well, it all happens on New

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Caprica because they're like,

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WTF: Mmhmm

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well now that was depressing: we see

them start to become a thing, and then

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they land, and then we flash forward a

year to where they're married with a kid

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WTF: Yeah Uh well uh does does she

have the kid yet or was she just

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super pregnant I can't remember

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well now that was depressing:

I don't remember.

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WTF: is it's just

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: in my mind I just had it like oh

well obviously it happened in the correct

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I'm using air quotes cause there's no

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: be in a relationship and have

children I just had it like oh well

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that's the that's the timeline so I just

superimposed that onto Callie and Tyrrel

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: there's

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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WTF: to do that

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well now that was depressing:

They sure are

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WTF: So okay yeah but speaking of babies

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well now that was depressing: Babies.

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Tie and Six are at an ultrasound.

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It's a boy

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WTF: So is it a boy S did they say that

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well now that was depressing:

Yeah, they say that.

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Yeah.

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WTF: Oh I guess so

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well now that was depressing: Yeah,

because Ty's all like, "Oh, I didn't

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say we wanted to know," and Cottle's

all like, "Didn't say you didn't."

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WTF: Um hmm Are these two i is this put

in this episode to make me wonder about

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this baby's Like is it Salt Eye's baby

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well now that was depressing: I mean, the

fact that you're questioning it because of

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the other contents of this episode would

lead that to be a yes from the design

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p- or the standpoint of the producers of

the show, because they could have not put

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this in the same episode, but they did

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WTF: they did put this

in the same episode We

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well now that was depressing: If

you're asking me for spoilies,

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WTF: I'm not

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well now that was depressing: stop.

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WTF: I'm just asking I'm just asking

questions I'm just just asking questions

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well now that was depressing:

Just asking some questions, guys.

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WTF: yeah I I I just don't Hmm

I will not be surprised if this

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is not S SaltIce Baby Whose

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well now that was depressing: That's fair

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WTF: It'd be hilarious if it was Hot Dog's

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Now I kinda want that but I know it's

not that Um hmm I mean we don't we

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don't get any Gaius going to see Caprica

Six anymore But that doesn't mean

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: and she's always been wanting

a baby with Gaius I don't know

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I don't know I'm just gonna

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well now that was depressing: I don't know

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WTF: Hmm Better be hot dogs

though that's the funniest

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well now that was depressing:

That would be hilarious

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WTF: Uh Yeah so the whole

time this ultrasound tech

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looks super uncomfortable Uhoh

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well now that was depressing:

It doesn't help when Cottle

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lights a cigarette in front of,

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WTF: them cause he gives

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well now that was depressing:

the pregnant lady

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WTF: one to

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well now that was depressing: too.

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WTF: to Ty yeah

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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WTF: God I don't think that's

what she's uncomfortable with

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well now that was depressing: It's not

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WTF: something about these Cylons and

oh good thing Gaeta's fucking here

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well now that was depressing: Oh

man, get ready to say that a couple

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times over the next few episodes

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WTF: I I think it was the last episode

proper that we watched I did write

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in my notes at one point Good thing

Gate is here And I I wrote it again

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and I was like Oh no I think this is

gonna be a thing and I don't like that

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He's bitching at the ultrasound

tech who's kinda like All right

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Okay Nikki is being rushed in by

Tyrell He is peeing blood that bad

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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Yeah, well, they talk about it

in a couple minutes, but he's got

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some problems with his kidneys.

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WTF: Yeah

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well now that was depressing: We

cut over to a press conference.

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Zarek and the Adamas don't say shit,

but Lee accidentally slips that they

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know who the fifth of the Final Five is.

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My question to you here is, how does the

news media know about the Final Five?

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WTF: I

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well now that was depressing: I know how

the Cylons know about the Final Five.

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WTF: Mmhmm

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well now that was depressing:

I know how the fleet leadership

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knows about the Final Five.

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I know how the audience

knows about the Final Five.

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Why the fuck is the news media in the

fleet talking about the Final Five Cylons?

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WTF: Um hmm Cause I I think we've

had this discussion at several

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points during the podcast of like

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WTF: know how many Cylons we're

looking for Like a there have

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definitely been parts of this show

where no it was clear that like the

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public did not know that there's 12

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WTF: blah blah blah blah But now for some

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well now that was depressing: Also

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WTF: convenient I guess they

know that there were five left

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well now that was depressing: Like,

fucking, okay, what are the sources

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of information in universe for there

being the 12 models and the final five?

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It's Deanna's dreams, right?

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Which…

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WTF: miniseries

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Yeah, there's a note in the admiral's

office in the miniseries that we

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don't know where it comes from still.

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We don't know where that note comes from.

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We don't…

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Deanna's fucking visions

and Cylons telling you.

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WTF: All

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well now that was depressing:

Those are the sources in universe

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WTF: sources No unreliable narrators

there Like everything is cool and fine

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well now that was depressing: I get

why the Cylons believe it because

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it's axiom to them, it's truth, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's dogmatic.

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And it's just like the h- the

commanders in the fleet, sure you've

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got a little bit more exposure to

the Cylons on a, like, cultural ex-

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perspective, I guess, um, because

you've had, like, missions and stuff.

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You've had pilots.

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You've gone over to the Basestar.

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You've done these things.

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Joe Schmoe in the fleet hasn't done this.

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Reporter Bob in the

fleet hasn't done this.

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They have no experience with these things.

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So are they just, like,

hearing radio transmit?

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Like, it's…

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They've got no reason to believe

it, and if they knew the sources,

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they would actively not believe it

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WTF: i okay I I can get bbehind

you there that if they knew the

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sources they probably still wouldn't

trust it but the I'm trying to

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headcanon some stuff together and

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well now that was depressing: Okay.

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WTF: maybe I'm wrong But

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well now that was depressing:

Do the work for the show

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WTF: doing the work Um when Deanna came

over and said I want these Cylons to

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come out I think she stated there were

f four right But okay but that's still

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not five Why would it why would they

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: five Cause I was like there

were a whole bunch of people in

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that room and one of them jabbering

to the press is like not hard

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Yeah, there's four Silence in the fleet.

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WTF: Why would they think

there's one more Because

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well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm

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WTF: think Deanna said shit about there

being one more because she had reasons

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well now that was depressing: She

might have said the words final

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five in that room because for some

reason, God, and it's like the thing

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about this show, there's a lot of

things about this show that drive

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the fan base a little crazy, right?

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There, there's some choices that are made.

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The thing for me, the thing that

always was just how like this is

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dumb is in universe characters

using the term final five

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WTF: Like how did how does

everybody but Adama know that

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there were 12 Like you know that

there's only five left Like that is

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: Yeah I don't know man Yeah he he

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well now that was depressing: Well,

it's not even that, like, they're

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five unidentified Cylons, right?

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Like, you-- like, the, the, the

specific term Final Five, not

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what even what it represents.

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The, like, the clear, like, alliteration,

the, like, convenience of it, the thing,

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the, like, offhand mention that would be

used in advertising for the show, right?

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"Who are the Final Five Cylons?"

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That was in ads for the show

before they said it in the show.

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And it's just like, no, don't do that.

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You don't go to the monster truck

rally on Sunday and hope that

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they go, "Sunday, Sunday, Sunday."

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Like, no, you know what day it is.

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You're there.

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WTF: Yeah Yeah I don't know but he Lee

accidentally lets slip that we think

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this woman is dead and of course that

just makes the rabble rabble worse from

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well now that was depressing: Oh, yeah

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WTF: I don't know The fact that

he said that I'm like Ellen It

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can't be Ellen It just can't

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: I I'm I know we like this actress

and we wanna bring her back but I d I

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just don't think she's the final Cylon

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well now that was depressing: I

mean, such is your prerogative.

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I, I have to remain stone-faced on it.

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If it's true, then I can't admit

that, and if it's not true and you're

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correct, I doubly can't admit that.

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So yeah

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WTF: The the funniest thing in this

scene to me was that Zarek is as

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confused as we are about what Lee's

job is cause he's like You were

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acting president but now you're doing

what man Where is the president Like

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well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

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WTF: I can't am I supposed to do I'm

supposed to be vice president I'm

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supposed to have some sort of authority

but y'all just keep coming in here and

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doing stuff and what do I get to do So

we lo we know Zarek is great when he's

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feeling a kind of way about his power

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well now that was depressing: Yeah

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WTF: but he tells Lee and Adama

that there's gonna be consequences

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if you all make an alliance with

these Cylons a permanent alliance

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without discussing it with the

Quorum without involving the Quorum

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well now that was depressing: And

Bill's just like, "Great, thanks

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for sharpening that pike, bro.

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I like to know who to hold

responsible when shit goes down."

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WTF: I don't really like the way

that either of these gentlemen

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are behaving around this so

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well now that was depressing: Very fair.

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WTF: Don't like it

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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just to mention it, there is the survivor

count on the board up in the background.

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It does match the survivor count

in the theme song that we get in

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about a minute from here, which is

39,644, down six since our last count

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WTF: Yeah It's gonna be implied

later what that is about

395

:

well now that was depressing:

Yeah Uh, let's see.

396

:

Over on Galactica, Baltar's bang

bus has handed out pamphlets.

397

:

But he's like "Uh, you know, I don't

think I've actually heard God's word

398

:

in a while, and I think I'm just

going to bullshit something about

399

:

how angry I am at God right now."

400

:

And Six BT is like, "Maybe don't do that.

401

:

Maybe that's bad

402

:

WTF: how did I miss this I did

not get a scene with 6BT at all

403

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah?

404

:

There's, right after the credits,

Baltar's talking to Six PT for a minute

405

:

WTF: I didn't have that I'm gonna have to

go back and watch my episode cause mine

406

:

mine goes straight into Tyrion Wow Okay so

407

:

well now that was depressing: huh

408

:

WTF: what what Gaius is doing

409

:

well now that was depressing: We see the

uh, the ladies that are in his harem.

410

:

WTF: Uhhuh

411

:

well now that was depressing: handing

out pamphlets about Baltar's speech.

412

:

The copy of, um, the book cover

that they made from last season

413

:

My Flaws, My Triumphs or whatever,

414

:

WTF: Like

415

:

well now that was depressing:

that's part of the pamphlet.

416

:

Yeah, exactly.

417

:

Um, that's part of the pamphlet.

418

:

Not presumably not the whole book

because the book was kind of weighty,

419

:

but they're just, like, handing out

pamphlets about Gaius preaching,

420

:

and we cut over to Gaius and he has

a conversation with Six TP that's

421

:

just all like, "I don't feel divine.

422

:

I don't feel like a god that is

just would allow this to happen."

423

:

WTF: Mmhmm

424

:

well now that was depressing: And he's

pissed, and Six BT's all like, "Well,

425

:

yeah, but, you know, everything's for a

reason and you shouldn't take that anger.

426

:

Like, if you preach this

anger, people will be angry.

427

:

Like, you have to recognize that

the things that you say matter

428

:

to more than just your feelings."

429

:

And he's all like, "Nah, I'm

gonna be a petulant child

430

:

WTF: That makes the thing that happens

later in this episode make a lot more

431

:

sense It cause I was like What where's

this fucking coming from What's going on I

432

:

well now that was depressing: Huh.

433

:

WTF: I'm gonna have to go back and check

434

:

well now that was depressing:

That's weird.

435

:

WTF: know if I just s

436

:

well now that was depressing:

You're watching on the Apple?

437

:

I'm watching DVD rips,

438

:

WTF: I wonder

439

:

well now that was depressing: and I-

440

:

WTF: accidentally fastforwarded

through something or

441

:

well now that was depressing: It's

like a 30-second scene right after

442

:

the credits, so you might have been

taking notes, or if you like ran

443

:

to like go grab a drink during the

theme song or something real quick.

444

:

Um, also it's entirely possible we just

have different versions of the episode

445

:

WTF: next time cause that's that

446

:

that

447

:

well now that was depressing: Okay.

448

:

WTF: was really important

because during the whole

449

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

450

:

WTF: speech I was like What the fuck

is going on Like this just came out

451

:

of nowhere We haven't seen him all

452

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

453

:

WTF: What is happening

454

:

well now that was depressing: This

hasn't happened to us before, but

455

:

there are deleted scenes on the

DVDs for most of these episodes.

456

:

It's possible mine just was integrated

with the deleted scenes as well.

457

:

Although I don't know why you'd

delete this scene, and also I

458

:

don't think the r- I don't think

the runtime on mine was weird.

459

:

WTF: Okay so just to paraphrase to

make sure I understood sounds like 6PT

460

:

is saying like Hey we've had a we've

got like a unity thing going on here

461

:

and if you are a petulant baby in your

speech you're gonna jeopardize that

462

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

463

:

WTF: Okay

464

:

well now that was depressing: He's

all like, "Mm, no, I think I'll be

465

:

angry and not listen to you, 6PT."

466

:

WTF: Yeah I think I am a

petulant baby so I better do that

467

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

468

:

WTF: Okay

469

:

well now that was depressing: A-

470

:

WTF: Huh

471

:

well now that was depressing: and

then we cut over to Tyrrel, who's

472

:

speaking to Adama and the senior staff.

473

:

This is the meeting that Gaeta

was told about, so he's there too

474

:

WTF: Okay so the thing the the webisodes

happened Yeah they were just right

475

:

before this episode Okay so some of

476

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

477

:

WTF: are also the people who were on the

478

:

well now that was depressing: The…

479

:

WTF: in the

480

:

well now that was depressing: Yes.

481

:

So that would've been three,

the two pilots and the mechanic,

482

:

'cause the Sheerans wouldn't count.

483

:

So that's three of the six were

on that, and then the other

484

:

three are presumably suicides

485

:

WTF: I think it's in this episode we say

that suicide is up unfortunately Mmhmm

486

:

well now that was depressing: they

say suicide's happening, yeah.

487

:

Um, so Tyrol is talking about

upgrading the fleet to Cylon-level

488

:

faster than light technology.

489

:

We know that they can go much farther,

490

:

WTF: Mmhmm

491

:

well now that was depressing: they g-

so less jumps, more accurate jumps too.

492

:

They throw around that it's

three times as efficient

493

:

WTF: Isn't it that

494

:

well now that was depressing: in here

495

:

WTF: hybrids though Like

496

:

well now that was depressing: I think that

might be the distance component, but also

497

:

one, they might just be like dialing in

everyone's computer to the hybrid because

498

:

they don't tell us how they're upgr- what

they're doing to upgrade these computers.

499

:

So it might just be we're setting

up comms with the hybrid to just

500

:

let your thing do math better.

501

:

It might be like actual like fuel stuff.

502

:

WTF: Mmhmm

503

:

well now that was depressing: it uses

less fuel to make the jump itself.

504

:

Uh, Tyrell says he doesn't even

understand how it works, that it's

505

:

past his understanding as an engineer

506

:

WTF: he's like the best one right

We've been told over and over he's

507

:

well now that was depressing: Yes

508

:

WTF: engineer

509

:

well now that was depressing:

He designed his own ship.

510

:

Like, and then a professional ship

designer who had survived was all

511

:

like, "Well, it's not perfect, but

you did some interesting things here."

512

:

Like, he, he's good at this

513

:

WTF: Uhhuh Uh yeah that that makes

me like nervous that Tyrell is he's

514

:

kinda gungho about this He says

like th there's all these great

515

:

reasons it will work and we want to

integrate ourselves into this society

516

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

517

:

Yeah.

518

:

GaTa asked what the cost is gonna be.

519

:

WTF: citizenship is the cost Uh we wanna

520

:

well now that was depressing: Yep

521

:

WTF: and equal citizens with

all the rights all of them

522

:

well now that was depressing:

We want, we wanna be official

523

:

citizens of the colonies.

524

:

We want our own seat at the quorum

525

:

WTF: Hey yeah Mmhmm Yep

yep yep Uh tough sell

526

:

well now that was depressing:

Tough sell indeed.

527

:

Lee brings up what he feels is the

first problem, which is having Cylons

528

:

on these ships where they won't

be welcome to make these upgrades

529

:

WTF: know To me the first problem is

what you already said that Tyrell doesn't

530

:

even fully understand this himself Like

531

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

532

:

WTF: don't know that we should ever

be installing shit at that level

533

:

that we don't fully understand

534

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

535

:

WTF: Uh But yeah Lee's got a great

point about practical of like

536

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

537

:

WTF: if we

538

:

well now that was depressing: This

539

:

WTF: big problem here's

the next big problem

540

:

well now that was depressing: I mean,

culturally, that's a giant shift that I

541

:

don't know that we'll be able to make and

also getting the, the quorum and stuff.

542

:

But also, like, individually every ship

is also going to have a problem with this.

543

:

WTF: Yeah And it's tough when you don't

have a lot to show the people Like we the

544

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

545

:

WTF: have seen some things we can

probably headcanon ourselves around to

546

:

be like Yes these Cylons true rebels

They are trustworthy blah blah blah but

547

:

a regular person in the fleet who doesn't

see what's happening at a omniscient

548

:

view like we do how are they gonna

headcanon that this is okay without

549

:

like some some grand gesture from these

Cylons who did like destroy their home

550

:

well now that was depressing: Right.

551

:

WTF: billions of people That that

552

:

well now that was depressing:

As Zarek will remind us

553

:

WTF: Yeah that that we should m give

them citizenship and rights Like eee I

554

:

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

555

:

WTF: it

556

:

well now that was depressing: Adama's

all like, "The president will make

557

:

this decision because I don't want to.

558

:

This seems like a political decision,

so it's the president's job."

559

:

And I'm just like, wouldn't

this start with a quorum vote?

560

:

WTF: Yeah

561

:

well now that was depressing: How does

the quorum add members to the quorum?

562

:

I feel like that's a quorum issue.

563

:

WTF: a president issue

564

:

well now that was depressing: Uh, And

I feel like this is, this has to be

565

:

something that's happened in their

society before because we know that the

566

:

12 colonies, that there are other planets

than the 12 colonies in this system.

567

:

There, there are o- smaller outposts,

there are things on other planets.

568

:

Some of the colonies who colonize

other worlds and stuff, they had to

569

:

have had a, some kind of procedure

in place in their government for what

570

:

happens when they want to add a new one

571

:

WTF: Yeah I have a question too

572

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

573

:

WTF: in his reasoning Tyrol explains to

that that convinced the Cylons that Adama

574

:

takes things like this citizenship very

seriously and that he would rather lose

575

:

the fleet than break the oath unlike

someone else he says And I was like not

576

:

100 clear on what he meant Is he referring

to Roslin the someone else That she was

577

:

gonna break an oath when she wanted the

578

:

well now that was depressing: I mean,

579

:

WTF: Is

580

:

well now that was depressing: wouldn't,

581

:

WTF: was

582

:

well now that was depressing:

wouldn't be the first time.

583

:

On maybe just like the

military in general as well.

584

:

It could be like there are,

there are people who will not

585

:

take their oath as seriously.

586

:

WTF: Uhhuh

587

:

well now that was depressing: Um, but that

Adama in particular, the most important

588

:

thing in his life is that military oath

589

:

WTF: Okay I was just like I oh Sho you

just didn't quite give me enough I'm not

590

:

sure who you're talking about You just

said someone else and I clues I think

591

:

well now that was depressing: I mean,

592

:

WTF: only be Rosalyn but I'm not sure

593

:

well now that was depressing:

it, it could be Rosalind.

594

:

He could have been talking about Kane

595

:

WTF: Mmhmm Okay

596

:

well now that was depressing: Who

definitely violated the terms of

597

:

her oath a ton in not protecting

the citizens in order to wage war

598

:

WTF: the sixes might have feelings

about their experience with

599

:

well now that was depressing: That.

600

:

Yeah

601

:

WTF: Okay Yeah I was just like Oh

crap show You're not enough down for

602

:

me to pick up today But some of that

might be holes We'll just keep looking

603

:

So

604

:

back in the med bay Nikki's got

605

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

606

:

WTF: failure we find out Um

607

:

well now that was depressing: Yes

608

:

WTF: that we've caught it fast enough

it's not gonna turn into chronic

609

:

renal failure at this time but he

needs some blood it sounds like which

610

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

611

:

WTF: freaking out about because

where's all the half Cylon blood

612

:

It's all in uh what's her name Hera

613

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

614

:

WTF: Just Hera

615

:

well now that was depressing: Can you

mix my blood and someone else's blood?

616

:

I don't know how this works.

617

:

WTF: And the nurse is like Well

And Cottle's like Fucking shut up

618

:

well now that was depressing: Dumbass.

619

:

Ugh.

620

:

WTF: And then Tyrol is like

Wait what And Cottle has to

621

:

take him aside and have the talk

622

:

well now that was depressing: Yep.

623

:

Tyrrell doesn't know that Callie and

me get it on in her van every Sunday.

624

:

Is that how that song goes?

625

:

WTF: Yeah So I don't know I

kinda I was like Oh this is why

626

:

Deanna didn't give a shit and the

Six didn't give a shit And like

627

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

628

:

WTF: Ah okay

629

:

well now that was depressing:

Well, I mean, the, the Six might

630

:

not have known because they didn't

know Tye- well, they didn't know…

631

:

Before they didn't know

Tyrol was a Cylon, right?

632

:

Deanna was the only one who knew.

633

:

WTF: That's true

634

:

well now that was depressing: And

she probably just supernaturally

635

:

knew that it wasn't his kid as well,

636

:

WTF: Yeah

637

:

well now that was depressing:

'cause that whole thing is weird.

638

:

WTF: know if

639

:

well now that was depressing: But like

640

:

WTF: really encountered the

knowledge that he had a kid far as

641

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

642

:

WTF: question about Deanna

cause she was gonna stay

643

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

644

:

WTF: she actually do that

645

:

I guess maybe you can't tell me

646

:

well now that was depressing: I mean

647

:

WTF: at the end of the episode

She was like No I'm just gonna

648

:

well now that was depressing: Here's the

thing, is I can-- If that, if the answer

649

:

to that question is a yes, then it's not

a spoiler because it's already happened.

650

:

If the answer to that question

is no, it's a massive fucking

651

:

spoiler that I can't tell you.

652

:

WTF: fine I could see her having changed

her mind Like maybe Saul came out of his

653

:

vision and talked to her or something I

don't think he did though cause I don't

654

:

think Ellen's the last Cylon or maybe

she just didn't stay behind cause she's

655

:

like I guess I'll stay with my people

Or maybe she's staying behind and she's

656

:

gonna have some mystical crap that

happens and then she's gonna come back

657

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

658

:

WTF: I don't know I guess we'll find

out Also it's a little weird to just

659

:

be I don't know be so done with Earth

I guess it was destroyed and all that

660

:

but I thought we might try to get more

out of it but we've already left Huh

661

:

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

662

:

WTF: I just find these things weird

663

:

well now that was depressing:

Well, I mean, sticking around

664

:

was kind of a big bummer

665

:

WTF: Yeah I guess so All right

666

:

yeah Nikki's not his but the real father

667

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

668

:

WTF: know either

669

:

well now that was depressing: Yes

670

:

WTF: Coddle's like Fuck I guess

I'll talk to him and then you guys

671

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

672

:

WTF: out

673

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah, I'm

not gonna let you be pissed off and go

674

:

tell him and that's how he finds out.

675

:

That's not right.

676

:

And that-- Correct, Cottle.

677

:

We don't need to start your Maury spinoff.

678

:

WTF: Yeah

679

:

well now that was depressing: we

have another spinoff in mind for

680

:

the show that we're gonna do.

681

:

It's the fourth season, we

gotta think about spinoffs.

682

:

Cottle's Maury spinoff, not

the one they decided to go with

683

:

WTF: Yeah So

684

:

well now that was depressing:

I would've watched it though

685

:

WTF: is about two is that

686

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

687

:

In Nikki's…

688

:

I think we got a definitive count

during the webisodes that the occupation

689

:

of New Caprica was 18 months ago.

690

:

That's when Gaeta was

meeting with that Sharon.

691

:

WTF: okay

692

:

well now that was depressing: And

they were on New Caprica for a year

693

:

before that, so 30 months at most

694

:

WTF: Okay Yeah So he's he's like in

the two to three range Um hmm I hope

695

:

Tyrell has actually bonded with this

child and doesn't want to like just

696

:

be like Well he's yours now Hot Dog

cause it's not totally clear He does

697

:

say he's gonna come back later but

698

:

well now that was depressing:

Okay, I actually have more of

699

:

this than I think you got too.

700

:

This is another scene I think

you're missing that I have.

701

:

WTF: well let's just keep

702

:

well now that was depressing:

did you get Tyrell and Hot Dog

703

:

with Nikki later in the episode?

704

:

Okay.

705

:

Okay, cool

706

:

WTF: but he just he's like You

stay here I'll be back But I'm like

707

:

well now that was depressing: Oh,

there's a lot more to it than that.

708

:

WTF: Okay

709

:

well now that was depressing: That

scene was like four or five minutes.

710

:

Okay.

711

:

WTF: just let's just

712

:

well now that was depressing: Okay.

713

:

We'll, we'll get there when we get there.

714

:

Okay.

715

:

Bill and Laura talk as she stretches.

716

:

She needs more time before

she goes back to presidenting.

717

:

She outright lies about not

taking her pills and stuff

718

:

WTF: Yeah We was it in this episode or the

previous where she we saw her throw them

719

:

all in a trash can Oh it's in this episode

720

:

well now that was depressing:

it's this episode.

721

:

Yeah

722

:

WTF: Yeah and Adam was picking

up trash from the deck again

723

:

after after their conversation

724

:

well now that was depressing: Yep

725

:

WTF: this was right after a

couple of people in handcuffs

726

:

went by Did you catch that Like

727

:

well now that was depressing: I didn't

728

:

WTF: escort and we had

729

:

well now that was depressing:

Oh yeah, yeah.

730

:

I did see the Marines, yeah

731

:

WTF: So I'm like I think we're

hinting in the background at all

732

:

the breakdown that's happening

733

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

734

:

Gaeta goes to the pilot's

lounge to talk to Starbuck

735

:

WTF: Hmm Boy

736

:

well now that was depressing: And

he's all like, "Hey, so remember

737

:

when that jury uh, was gonna

kill me for being a collaborator?

738

:

And now we know that three of

those four people were Cylons

739

:

and one was married to a Cylon?

740

:

Huh.

741

:

WTF: Yeah cause it was

742

:

well now that was depressing:

You wanna talk about that?"

743

:

WTF: it was Anders Tyrell and Ty wasn't it

744

:

well now that was depressing: Ty, yeah.

745

:

WTF: Kind of forgotten

746

:

well now that was depressing:

Yeah, the three leaders of the

747

:

resistance were all Cylons.

748

:

Yeah

749

:

WTF: Yeah I wonder why we haven't seen

the the three of the seven who are here

750

:

or the the three of the or the fuck

around four I guess the three of them

751

:

like grappling with that together at all

752

:

well now that was depressing: They're

all hanging out on the base star.

753

:

They're, I guess, they're

trying to get rights right now

754

:

WTF: Yeah Yeah I feel like there

should be some grappling with

755

:

that from that group at some point

756

:

well now that was depressing:

There should be.

757

:

Um, there's other questions to

ask about that too, but that won't

758

:

come up for, like, another five

episodes, so don't worry about it

759

:

WTF: come up eventually though

or I can see that being a

760

:

sticking point for the internet

761

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

762

:

WTF: Yeah Um and of course we know that

the look on Starbuck's face is also like

763

:

that she's worried that Hmm it was all

four of us were Cylons Oopsie doodle Uh

764

:

uh and she says something really rude Rude

765

:

well now that was depressing:

She constantly prods at the

766

:

fact that he is a uh, disabled.

767

:

WTF: Mmhmm

768

:

well now that was depressing:

she calls him a gimp.

769

:

I think she calls him

an invalid at one point.

770

:

WTF: really fucking

771

:

well now that was depressing: a…

772

:

She's really nasty.

773

:

I mean, he is also

being fucking nasty here

774

:

WTF: Yeah.

775

:

It just feels

776

:

well now that was depressing:

I mean, I underst-

777

:

WTF: bringing up kind of

a legitimate grievance,

778

:

well now that was depressing:

A little of a valid point.

779

:

Yeah

780

:

WTF: to below the belt,

781

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

782

:

WTF: if you will.

783

:

Or, I guess he did mutiny on her,

but from his perspective now, he

784

:

was like, "I was fucking right.

785

:

I was

786

:

well now that was depressing: Yes

787

:

WTF: And then I got,

788

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah,

a Cylon was overriding my orders.

789

:

Yeah, like fucking, yeah,

I got shot by a Cylon.

790

:

Like

791

:

WTF: Yeah.

792

:

So there's no, no healing

that's gonna happen here.

793

:

And he basically promises her a

reckoning that people are gonna

794

:

answer for what they've done.

795

:

And then when she leaves, he's

very bold and says, "All right,

796

:

rest of you, let's have a chat."

797

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

798

:

WTF: Don't like it.

799

:

like it

800

:

well now that was depressing:

He shouldn't.

801

:

Over on Colonial One, the Quorum meets.

802

:

Lee makes the case for Cylon

integration, and Zarek calls a vote.

803

:

He talks about living in a fantasy

instead of reality, and he calls

804

:

a vote to put Cylon presence on

other ships up to the individual's

805

:

ship to decide to allow or deny.

806

:

States' rights to Cylon presence.

807

:

WTF: Yeah.

808

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

809

:

WTF: Lee tries to, like, stop him sort of.

810

:

He tries to object and say, like,

"Well, what about military decisions?"

811

:

or something, and nobody cares.

812

:

They swiftly pass this whole thing

with Lee being the only dissenter,

813

:

well now that was depressing:

I don't disagree with this

814

:

from a rights perspective

815

:

WTF: Right

816

:

well now that was depressing: Um,

the problem though is that it ignores

817

:

reality, which is hilarious because

that's Zarek's whole point, is

818

:

that they need to live in reality.

819

:

Which is that this creates two

fleets, one who can jump three

820

:

times farther than the rest.

821

:

WTF: So like, what are you

822

:

well now that was depressing:

This is a logistical nightmare

823

:

WTF: gonna do?

824

:

Because if the military ship that

is defending you all can go farther

825

:

well now that was depressing: Well,

Galactica could always go farther

826

:

than the rest of the fleet anyways.

827

:

They've, they've referenced

it a number of times.

828

:

They've been all like, "Okay,

well, the fleet is gonna make

829

:

these five jumps," right?

830

:

But Galactica's gonna do this engagement

and get there in three because they're

831

:

going somewhere else to do this thing,

832

:

WTF: Okay.

833

:

well now that was depressing: Like,

they've, they've, they've, they've

834

:

talked about stuff like that before,

or like Pegasus would make…

835

:

'cause Pegasus could jump

farther than Galactica.

836

:

So you're always tied to the,

the weakest chain, li- weakest

837

:

link of the chain, right?

838

:

WTF: Um, I wonder this is

a case for the free market.

839

:

You know, we love the free market, right?

840

:

well now that was depressing: Okay

841

:

WTF: if Galactica upgrades and

other ships around you upgrade, and

842

:

Galactica says, "Well, like, they're

our priority now," then, like,

843

:

well now that was depressing: Mm.

844

:

WTF: you kinda are force- Like,

you have the right to not do this.

845

:

Go ahead.

846

:

You know?

847

:

well now that was depressing:

Take three jumps to get there.

848

:

Here's your fuel allotment

849

:

WTF: And we'll see you there.

850

:

Bye.

851

:

Then you kinda just have

to catch up, don't ya?

852

:

Like,

853

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

854

:

WTF: know.

855

:

But it's not, it, not good.

856

:

None of this is good.

857

:

Zarek has like, he has ideas that are

fine it seems like on paper, but then

858

:

well now that was depressing: The

second you take a minute to think

859

:

about it, you realize that it's dumb.

860

:

I feel this way about a lot of political

ideas that get put out in front of me.

861

:

WTF: I feel this way about a

lot of, like, theoretical stuff,

862

:

especially now being in academia.

863

:

People will propose things all the

time that's like, "Well, in theory,

864

:

this is the perfect way to do it."

865

:

And it's like, "Well,

but have you met people?"

866

:

well now that was depressing: I mean,

we were talking before we started

867

:

recording about a a student in data

who had reached out to me about a

868

:

data set that I happen to steward.

869

:

And one of the conversations I had with

him was like, "Well, I've got this, which

870

:

isn't the thing that's going to help

you program the thing you wanna do."

871

:

He's like, "Yeah, but it

could be useful for this."

872

:

And I'm like, "On paper, yes, but

in actuality, you're completely

873

:

ignoring the personal bias of these

random matchups that we're talking

874

:

about that I've got a scorecard for."

875

:

Like, that won't train

anything worthwhile.

876

:

Like, there's no, there's no information

to be gleaned about how good something

877

:

is based off of recreating these results

because they don't defer to skill,

878

:

WTF: Mm-hmm.

879

:

well now that was depressing: which is

the thing you're trying to do, is to

880

:

build something that judges skill, right?

881

:

WTF: Yep.

882

:

I also feel for Lee in this scene, 'cause

I kind of feel like I've experienced

883

:

a microcosm the things he has,

'cause Lee's in this very interesting

884

:

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

885

:

WTF: that he has been an expert

in military, and he's made the

886

:

career change to other thing.

887

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

888

:

WTF: so he's watching the people around

him discuss this issue without the

889

:

perspective that he has, and they come to

this very strongly held conclusion, and

890

:

his perspective is speaking to something

a little bit different is actually

891

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

892

:

WTF: But there's nothing

you can do about that.

893

:

You can't, like, change their

minds, and, like, this is…

894

:

I feel like I've had a, a very s-

just, like, a slice of that experience,

895

:

having gone from, like, I was an

auditor for several years, then I w- I

896

:

management things, and I with management.

897

:

Then I became management,

and it was like, oh, well,

898

:

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

899

:

WTF: that they had to consider that

from my perspective it, it wasn't

900

:

important, but now it definitely is

important, 'cause it's affecting me, the

901

:

most important r- person in this room.

902

:

And then now I'm going into

academia, and people love to

903

:

criticize auditors and management in

academia, and it's like, well, but

904

:

have you been in the arena with us?

905

:

Have you had to fight

906

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

907

:

WTF: I don't think you have.

908

:

So I don't know.

909

:

It…

910

:

Not nearly uh to the scale that Lee

Adama is dealing with, but I'm like,

911

:

"Oh, this feels, this feels familiar."

912

:

well now that was depressing: Hmm.

913

:

Little relatable I've never had to worry

about that because I'm just always right.

914

:

WTF: yeah.

915

:

Just

916

:

well now that was depressing:

it's the easiest way to handle it.

917

:

WTF: it just, yeah.

918

:

well now that was depressing:

Yeah, just it doesn't matter.

919

:

Yeah, it's, it's, it's great for me.

920

:

Anyways fuck, where are we?

921

:

Um,

922

:

Adama's asleep at his

desk when his phone rings.

923

:

Something is wrong on the flight deck

that requires his attention as we see

924

:

the president jog around the ship.

925

:

And then Adama goes down and rips

into Fikurski, who's the new chief.

926

:

WTF: Oh

927

:

well now that was depressing: they've

got 10 Vipers that are not airworthy at

928

:

the moment, and that is a fucking problem

929

:

WTF: Oh, that was not in mine.

930

:

It looked like f- the way mine

was cut, that the thing that

931

:

Adama was getting a call about was

Roslin jogging around the ship,

932

:

well now that was depressing: Oh

933

:

WTF: does not talk to Figurski at all

934

:

well now that was depressing: Man, nope.

935

:

He talks, he, he has a whole conversation.

936

:

He dresses him down.

937

:

He talks about how he needs to

go put on a big enough shoe to

938

:

get his boot in everyone's ass.

939

:

Like, whole deal.

940

:

Like,

941

:

WTF: Huh

942

:

well now that was depressing: "You used

to pull this shit back when Tyro was the

943

:

chief," and he's all like, "Yes, sir."

944

:

I mean uh, like, there's

a whole thing with it.

945

:

It was kind of fun scene

946

:

WTF: I'm really sorry I missed that

'cause it, it, from the, the way

947

:

mine was cut around, he gets this

call, she's jogging, and then boom,

948

:

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

949

:

WTF: hallway, and he's

like, "Just what do you

950

:

well now that was depressing: Oh,

951

:

WTF: basically

952

:

well now that was depressing:

see her jogging on the flight

953

:

deck as they're talking.

954

:

He sees her and then, like,

takes an admiral shortcut

955

:

to meet her in the hallway

956

:

WTF: Okay, that's different.

957

:

That's different than what I got.

958

:

I hope the rest of the

episodes aren't like this

959

:

well now that was depressing: I,

I, like I said, I took a look at

960

:

the time on the rest of them, and

it seems to be normal air times for

961

:

all of them until we get to the last

three, which are extended episodes.

962

:

So I think just this one, for

some reason, it looks like had

963

:

the deleted scenes snuck in

964

:

WTF: You're

965

:

well now that was depressing: or,

966

:

WTF: Christ.

967

:

well now that was depressing: or

it's a director's cut episode, like,

968

:

and they just did that on the DVD

release and just put it all in there.

969

:

'Cause yeah, this is…

970

:

I don't feel like this has been

normal deleted scene style stuff.

971

:

This has all been bigger stuff

that's happened in these scenes.

972

:

WTF: so glad you're

here to share it with me

973

:

He's arguing with her in

the hallway is where I

974

:

well now that was depressing: Yes

975

:

WTF: she s- he says, "I know you're

not doing your treatment anymore."

976

:

And she's like, "Well, yeah.

977

:

I think we might actually

need to really live for today.

978

:

We talked about it, but we might

actually need to do that, and

979

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

980

:

WTF: I have earned the right

to live a little before I die."

981

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

982

:

WTF: Um, yeah.

983

:

I can't really argue with that

984

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

985

:

WTF: Okay, and then mine goes into

next, Baltar delivering this sermon

986

:

that was very confusing for me.

987

:

well now that was depressing: So

yeah, this is the sermon where he

988

:

goes on about divine punishment, and

this is where he's a petulant child

989

:

WTF: Yeah, to me, all I was getting

out of this was it seemed kind

990

:

of anti-God and like God should

apologize to us for this injustice.

991

:

well now that was depressing:

Yeah, that's a take.

992

:

WTF: I was just like, where

the fuck did this come from?

993

:

'Cause in my version, Baltar

hasn't even been in the episode.

994

:

But all of it is kind of

quickly overshadowed by Tyrol

995

:

spotting Hot Dog in the crowd,

996

:

well now that was depressing: Yeah

997

:

WTF: over and Hot Dog's like,

"Oh my God, Cottle told me."

998

:

And then Tyrol just starts pummeling him.

999

:

well now that was depressing: Yep.

:

00:46:17,189 --> 00:46:18,619

Joseph beats the shit out of him.

:

00:46:19,097 --> 00:46:19,437

WTF: Yeah

:

00:46:19,919 --> 00:46:21,639

well now that was depressing:

Chief throws hands.

:

00:46:22,299 --> 00:46:26,529

Baltar is stunned after this.

:

00:46:27,062 --> 00:46:29,472

Did you get the scene

with him in 6 PT after?

:

00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:30,720

WTF: This all

:

00:46:30,902 --> 00:46:34,142

well now that was depressing:

Oh, this was so good, this scene.

:

00:46:34,902 --> 00:46:35,442

WTF: was,

:

00:46:35,522 --> 00:46:36,382

well now that was depressing: my God

:

00:46:37,192 --> 00:46:40,922

WTF: giving his confusing speech that

I was like, "This isn't helpful."

:

00:46:40,922 --> 00:46:43,392

Like, I, I think I might have

said it on the last episode, or

:

00:46:43,392 --> 00:46:44,582

maybe I just said it to Aaron.

:

00:46:44,582 --> 00:46:50,122

I was like, you know, I, I was

like, I feel like g- given all

:

00:46:50,122 --> 00:46:52,492

that's happening, and the bang

:

00:46:52,508 --> 00:46:52,938

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm

:

00:46:52,942 --> 00:46:59,512

WTF: could actually be kind of

useful in finding, like, some hope,

:

00:47:00,072 --> 00:47:01,642

even though this thing happened.

:

00:47:02,112 --> 00:47:05,922

And then I'm just seeing the

speech where, like, he's gone

:

00:47:06,022 --> 00:47:08,322

hard left in the other direction.

:

00:47:08,395 --> 00:47:14,935

the I thought they could be useful to

the alliance problem, the Cylons and the

:

00:47:15,115 --> 00:47:15,485

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:47:15,495 --> 00:47:17,945

WTF: because he's got this influence.

:

00:47:17,955 --> 00:47:20,585

He's got this speech ability.

:

00:47:20,625 --> 00:47:24,575

He keeps, he keeps bringing people

together around this one true God

:

00:47:25,425 --> 00:47:27,035

that the Cylons are super into.

:

00:47:27,045 --> 00:47:35,745

Like, maybe this can be a bridge into

getting past some of the, the s- distrust

:

00:47:35,765 --> 00:47:38,285

of the Cylons that have rebelled.

:

00:47:39,685 --> 00:47:43,525

and all I see is this speech of him

really not doing that with no context.

:

00:47:45,035 --> 00:47:45,465

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:49,855

WTF: So okay, give me what

happens between Baltar and Six BT.

:

00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:53,977

well now that was depressing: Okay, so

Baltar works this crowd up into a frenzy,

:

00:47:54,189 --> 00:47:54,639

WTF: Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:55,467 --> 00:47:58,407

well now that was depressing:

They are all screaming and stuff.

:

00:47:58,437 --> 00:48:02,467

The fight breaks out and

he-- The fight breaks out.

:

00:48:02,467 --> 00:48:07,217

He, like, has a whole conversation

in his head with Six PT while all of

:

00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:08,767

this fighting is going on around him.

:

00:48:09,017 --> 00:48:11,907

That's just, like, him and her in,

like, mind palace, but it's the

:

00:48:11,907 --> 00:48:13,537

same room with no one else there.

:

00:48:13,549 --> 00:48:13,999

WTF: Okay

:

00:48:14,977 --> 00:48:17,287

well now that was depressing:

Um, and so he's just looking

:

00:48:17,287 --> 00:48:20,887

like he's completely unfazed by

everything, like smoking a cigarette.

:

00:48:21,677 --> 00:48:24,747

But he's having this conversation

with Six PT as all this vi-violence

:

00:48:24,747 --> 00:48:28,367

is going on around him, where

he's just stunned because none

:

00:48:28,367 --> 00:48:30,347

of them actually believe in God.

:

00:48:30,787 --> 00:48:32,367

They only believe in him.

:

00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:33,397

They're sheep.

:

00:48:33,427 --> 00:48:34,847

They'll do whatever he says.

:

00:48:35,217 --> 00:48:37,257

None of them are actually believers.

:

00:48:37,257 --> 00:48:38,767

He has failed as a prophet.

:

00:48:38,931 --> 00:48:39,251

WTF: Yeah

:

00:48:39,357 --> 00:48:42,297

well now that was depressing: he is not an

emissary of God because all he has done is

:

00:48:42,297 --> 00:48:46,967

rely on his personality to carry things,

and no one actually believes in God.

:

00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:49,757

They just wanna hear what he has

to say because he's charismatic.

:

00:48:49,997 --> 00:48:54,077

And he has this whole moment

where he has to reckon with this

:

00:48:54,377 --> 00:48:55,407

WTF: Wow.

:

00:48:55,777 --> 00:48:56,277

That is a

:

00:48:56,437 --> 00:48:57,277

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:48:57,557 --> 00:48:58,047

WTF: That's a lot better

:

00:48:58,537 --> 00:48:59,287

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:49:00,517 --> 00:49:03,137

Yeah, no, it's really good

character development for Baltar.

:

00:49:04,023 --> 00:49:06,833

WTF: Yeah, because you're right.

:

00:49:06,953 --> 00:49:11,293

Like, he, he, I guess maybe he

was giving the speech hoping

:

00:49:11,303 --> 00:49:13,863

to be pushed back upon, like

:

00:49:14,101 --> 00:49:16,251

well now that was depressing:

Yeah, someone would like fight him.

:

00:49:16,503 --> 00:49:17,003

WTF: Yeah,

:

00:49:17,361 --> 00:49:19,511

well now that was depressing:

It's all like, "No, God is just."

:

00:49:20,421 --> 00:49:20,921

You know?

:

00:49:21,061 --> 00:49:21,811

There's a plan.

:

00:49:21,821 --> 00:49:24,021

He wants someone to

say it, and no one does

:

00:49:24,413 --> 00:49:27,663

WTF: there, there's something out there

bigger than us that is looking out for

:

00:49:27,663 --> 00:49:36,503

us and, and nobody does that, and the

reckoning with 6ft sounds really important

:

00:49:38,133 --> 00:49:40,963

well now that was depressing: Yeah, 6BT's

all like, "Look, you could go on national

:

00:49:40,963 --> 00:49:44,103

TV and say, 'Grab them by the pussy,'

and they're still gonna follow you.

:

00:49:44,993 --> 00:49:46,303

Like, it doesn't matter."

:

00:49:47,113 --> 00:49:51,453

And he's just all like, "But, and

then it, like, cuts to him sitting

:

00:49:51,453 --> 00:49:56,103

there smoking just, like, in complete

stunned silence as all of his followers

:

00:49:56,103 --> 00:49:57,543

are freaking the fuck out around him.

:

00:49:57,999 --> 00:49:58,409

WTF: Yeah.

:

00:49:58,883 --> 00:49:59,773

well now that was depressing:

It's a really good scene

:

00:49:59,869 --> 00:50:02,599

WTF: all I got was him just

smoking and staring at the fight

:

00:50:02,609 --> 00:50:04,789

is what it looked like, having no,

:

00:50:04,991 --> 00:50:06,701

well now that was depressing:

Oh man, that's a fucking bummer

:

00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,609

WTF: Does, so does that, do we think this

means that the version that I have been

:

00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:12,939

watching was the one that aired on TV?

:

00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:14,330

well now that was depressing:

I would assume so.

:

00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:18,590

It sounds like you got a 44-minute

TV air cut and I'm watching the

:

00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,120

extended edition of this episode

:

00:50:20,746 --> 00:50:24,126

WTF: I, man, that's disappointing

for everybody that watched it in

:

00:50:24,126 --> 00:50:25,886

:

:

00:50:26,636 --> 00:50:28,576

Well, it wasn't:

but you know what I mean.

:

00:50:29,456 --> 00:50:29,926

it sounds

:

00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:31,900

well now that was depressing: Yeah, '09

I think this episode would've aired.

:

00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,250

But yeah

:

00:50:36,186 --> 00:50:37,036

WTF: Oh gosh.

:

00:50:37,316 --> 00:50:37,876

Okay.

:

00:50:38,226 --> 00:50:44,183

Well, and Ty are discussing the problem

:

00:50:45,317 --> 00:50:45,657

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:50:45,967 --> 00:50:49,367

Ten ships have actively refused

upgrades, and another dozen won't

:

00:50:49,377 --> 00:50:51,037

even pick up the fucking phone

:

00:50:51,223 --> 00:50:53,213

WTF: How many ships do we have

in total at this point anymore?

:

00:50:53,213 --> 00:50:53,773

Do we remember?

:

00:50:55,183 --> 00:50:56,073

well now that was depressing:

I don't know.

:

00:50:56,123 --> 00:50:59,663

I tried to look it up real quick

and I didn't find a good answer

:

00:50:59,803 --> 00:51:01,243

of the status of the fleet.

:

00:51:01,743 --> 00:51:02,543

22 ships.

:

00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:07,673

Yeah, I, I would venture to say that

this is a, a full third, if not more.

:

00:51:08,427 --> 00:51:08,797

WTF: They just

:

00:51:08,979 --> 00:51:09,829

well now that was depressing: Helo…

:

00:51:10,617 --> 00:51:11,247

WTF: The Quorum gave

:

00:51:11,279 --> 00:51:11,729

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:51:13,269 --> 00:51:13,619

Yep.

:

00:51:13,729 --> 00:51:15,349

And John was all like,

"This is an uprising."

:

00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:19,859

And Helo's like, "Eh, it's

bad, but it's not an uprising."

:

00:51:19,891 --> 00:51:23,351

WTF: And then the Tullium

refiner mutinies, and I do

:

00:51:23,351 --> 00:51:24,841

think that is an uprising.

:

00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:28,077

well now that was depressing:

That it's pretty uprising-y, yeah.

:

00:51:28,797 --> 00:51:32,907

Adama says he decides that the

decision to upgrade everyone's drives

:

00:51:32,927 --> 00:51:36,157

is no longer a political one, like

he said earlier in the episode.

:

00:51:36,167 --> 00:51:38,417

It is now a military

decision, and he is making it.

:

00:51:38,627 --> 00:51:40,597

Everyone's going to get the

upgraded drives, and they're just

:

00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:41,777

gonna have to fucking deal with it

:

00:51:42,573 --> 00:51:45,213

WTF: I don't understand why we have to…

:

00:51:46,033 --> 00:51:50,443

Ev- everything's like a knee-jerk

reaction sometimes this show.

:

00:51:50,553 --> 00:51:55,813

Like, instead of being like, "Okay, well,

let's call some people and talk about

:

00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:57,693

it," we just go straight to Marines.

:

00:51:59,071 --> 00:52:00,141

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:52:00,153 --> 00:52:02,513

WTF: I understand that the

tylium refiner is crucial.

:

00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:06,860

maybe the tylium refiner should

have been conscripted at some

:

00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:08,680

point and made a military ship.

:

00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,520

I don't know.

:

00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:14,670

but we didn't do that, so I don't

see why you get to do Marines here.

:

00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:17,110

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:21,880

WTF: But then they overhear a phone

call between the tylium refiner

:

00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,450

and Zarek reassuring them that the

:

00:52:24,584 --> 00:52:24,944

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,330

WTF: don't have a right to be there.

:

00:52:26,703 --> 00:52:29,533

So your dead corpses can definitely sue,

:

00:52:31,683 --> 00:52:34,313

once you're boarded.

:

00:52:35,503 --> 00:52:41,103

but the, the ship jumps away

right before the Raptor can dock,

:

00:52:42,513 --> 00:52:42,803

well now that was depressing: Yep.

:

00:52:42,983 --> 00:52:43,863

WTF: and they've got everybody's

:

00:52:44,053 --> 00:52:44,283

well now that was depressing: The--

:

00:52:44,943 --> 00:52:45,343

WTF: It's cool

:

00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:52,323

well now that was depressing: So Adama

redirects the Marines from the jumped away

:

00:52:52,323 --> 00:52:57,733

Tylium finer to Colonial One with orders

to arrest Zarek and kill him if he resists

:

00:52:57,943 --> 00:52:59,943

WTF: Boy, Atama sure hates Mondays.

:

00:53:00,283 --> 00:53:00,963

Like,

:

00:53:01,415 --> 00:53:02,035

well now that was depressing: Right.

:

00:53:02,733 --> 00:53:03,223

WTF: gosh

:

00:53:03,345 --> 00:53:07,315

well now that was depressing: So, yep,

it's time for a military coup again, guys.

:

00:53:07,491 --> 00:53:08,051

WTF: Okay.

:

00:53:08,501 --> 00:53:11,841

All right, so the, the next scene

we cut to, we're gonna go back to

:

00:53:11,841 --> 00:53:15,251

our, our Maury plot for a second,

and I'll tell you what I have.

:

00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:16,609

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:19,921

WTF: we get Hot Dog, like,

staring at Nikki in the bed,

:

00:53:22,061 --> 00:53:25,971

Tyrell says, "You know, the first

lesson of being a father is never

:

00:53:25,971 --> 00:53:27,531

leave your kid alone in the hospital.

:

00:53:28,501 --> 00:53:29,011

You stay

:

00:53:29,139 --> 00:53:32,179

well now that was depressing: so

there's like, there's two lines

:

00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,669

before this that are super important,

which is Hot Dog says, "I don't know

:

00:53:36,669 --> 00:53:40,609

how to be a dad," and Tyrell says,

"We'll figure it out together."

:

00:53:41,111 --> 00:53:44,961

WTF: Oh, I don't know that I had

"We'll figure it out together."

:

00:53:44,961 --> 00:53:45,831

I know he said

:

00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:47,999

well now that was depressing:

That's so important.

:

00:53:48,293 --> 00:53:51,813

WTF: May- maybe, maybe I did though,

'cause I, I had Hot Dog saying,

:

00:53:51,933 --> 00:53:53,333

"I don't know how to be a dad."

:

00:53:54,193 --> 00:53:56,763

Maybe I just missed we'll

figure it out together.

:

00:53:56,883 --> 00:53:57,423

Okay

:

00:53:58,081 --> 00:53:58,471

well now that was depressing: Okay.

:

00:53:59,261 --> 00:54:04,211

And so Tyrrell, like, they talk

for a couple minutes about this,

:

00:54:04,251 --> 00:54:07,301

about like, "What are we gonna do?"

:

00:54:07,511 --> 00:54:13,341

And he's-- Tyrrell talks about, like,

missing Nicky, caring for Nicky, how

:

00:54:13,411 --> 00:54:17,441

sometimes it's so difficult that you

hate this kid, but other times it's

:

00:54:17,441 --> 00:54:18,751

the best thing you've ever done.

:

00:54:19,191 --> 00:54:22,101

Like, it's-- He talks about all this.

:

00:54:22,101 --> 00:54:25,251

He's all like, "It'd be so easy

to just walk away, but I can't."

:

00:54:25,437 --> 00:54:26,637

WTF: I don't think I had that

:

00:54:27,415 --> 00:54:28,035

well now that was depressing: Oh, yeah.

:

00:54:28,035 --> 00:54:28,235

No.

:

00:54:28,265 --> 00:54:30,795

So yeah, so to answer your

question earlier, no, Tyrol's

:

00:54:30,825 --> 00:54:32,165

not just walking away from Nikki.

:

00:54:32,635 --> 00:54:34,285

They are going to be co-parenting,

:

00:54:34,557 --> 00:54:34,837

WTF: Okay

:

00:54:34,995 --> 00:54:36,905

well now that was depressing: and this

is the spinoff we deserved instead

:

00:54:36,905 --> 00:54:39,315

of Caprica, a My Two Dads reboot

:

00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,999

WTF: Maybe I had that stuff and I

just missed it because notes, but that

:

00:54:43,999 --> 00:54:47,589

doesn't feel familiar like I had it.

:

00:54:47,787 --> 00:54:48,157

well now that was depressing: Okay

:

00:54:48,609 --> 00:54:49,139

WTF: Okay.

:

00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,649

All right.

:

00:54:51,173 --> 00:54:51,943

Tyrel's

:

00:54:52,179 --> 00:54:52,519

well now that was depressing: yep.

:

00:54:52,653 --> 00:54:54,933

WTF: did bond with this

child is what I'm hearing.

:

00:54:55,003 --> 00:54:55,203

'Cause,

:

00:54:55,439 --> 00:54:55,959

well now that was depressing: Yes

:

00:54:56,073 --> 00:54:58,213

WTF: there were some moments

there right after Callie died

:

00:54:58,213 --> 00:55:02,403

and we saw Tyrel and Nikki, and

Tyrel was very deep in his grief.

:

00:55:03,313 --> 00:55:09,843

And because we hadn't had as much-- We'd

had, like, being annoyed a lot before

:

00:55:09,843 --> 00:55:16,363

Callie died, and them having marital

problems a lot, and him suggesting the

:

00:55:16,373 --> 00:55:18,653

second baby that was a horrible idea.

:

00:55:21,003 --> 00:55:21,203

I

:

00:55:21,331 --> 00:55:21,721

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:55:23,123 --> 00:55:25,253

WTF: what kind of bond they had really.

:

00:55:26,003 --> 00:55:28,303

So glad that's okay.

:

00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:30,070

Okay.

:

00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,180

So next thing I have is Adama

going to see Zarek with his files

:

00:55:35,819 --> 00:55:36,859

well now that was depressing: Yes

:

00:55:36,903 --> 00:55:42,813

WTF: that he's been abusing his office

as vice president, buying and selling.

:

00:55:43,723 --> 00:55:48,043

He's gonna use these files and

publish them to tarnish Zarek's legacy

:

00:55:48,043 --> 00:55:50,933

if he won't just get back in line

:

00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:53,357

well now that was depressing: Yep

:

00:55:53,563 --> 00:55:55,483

WTF: Zarek tells him,

you know, "You know what?

:

00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:58,373

The only difference between you and

me is that you're in the military.

:

00:55:58,833 --> 00:56:02,103

We're the same guy doing the same things.

:

00:56:02,923 --> 00:56:07,233

just have some pips on

your shoulder for it."

:

00:56:08,289 --> 00:56:08,959

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm

:

00:56:10,103 --> 00:56:14,363

WTF: and then he gives up the location

of the Tillerium refiner where they went

:

00:56:15,809 --> 00:56:16,789

well now that was depressing: Yep.

:

00:56:17,183 --> 00:56:21,823

There's a little bit about him

exposing the myth of Tom Zarek.

:

00:56:22,332 --> 00:56:25,492

I don't think you're re-- You can, you

can die happy a martyr, you can't die

:

00:56:25,502 --> 00:56:28,962

happy in disgrace, so guess what, bitch?

:

00:56:29,682 --> 00:56:30,142

yep.

:

00:56:31,072 --> 00:56:31,702

It's great.

:

00:56:32,109 --> 00:56:35,259

the-- He says without the tylium

refiner, the fleet isn't moving.

:

00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:37,739

Zarek's all like, "You

could take this to trial.

:

00:56:37,739 --> 00:56:38,909

It will last so long."

:

00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,809

He's all like, "Well, we're not

going anywhere without the tylium

:

00:56:41,809 --> 00:56:44,469

refiner, so at least the people

will be entertained by your trial."

:

00:56:45,457 --> 00:56:45,807

WTF: And

:

00:56:46,129 --> 00:56:46,779

well now that was depressing: Get him

:

00:56:46,827 --> 00:56:50,177

WTF: The Cavills may catch up

with us in the meantime, so

:

00:56:50,554 --> 00:56:50,914

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:56:51,086 --> 00:56:51,716

WTF: fuck all.

:

00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:53,334

well now that was depressing: Yep.

:

00:56:54,044 --> 00:56:59,547

And so Adama walks out, he gives Tye the

file, the folder as he's walking out, and

:

00:56:59,557 --> 00:57:01,067

he's all like, "Be sure to file this."

:

00:57:01,397 --> 00:57:05,067

Tye looks at it and

goes, "Laundry records?"

:

00:57:05,389 --> 00:57:08,929

WTF: He did say in his speech

to Zerek that there was a

:

00:57:08,929 --> 00:57:10,649

real laundry list in there

:

00:57:11,379 --> 00:57:11,769

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:57:13,911 --> 00:57:17,941

WTF: I love it when we say the

truth, but in a non-truthy way

:

00:57:19,293 --> 00:57:20,233

well now that was depressing: So good.

:

00:57:20,313 --> 00:57:22,233

So good

:

00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:25,841

WTF: him the, the file and said, "Make

sure Hoshi files this," I was like Uh

:

00:57:25,841 --> 00:57:27,621

should we be letting Hoshi touch that?

:

00:57:27,621 --> 00:57:31,351

'Cause he's got data problems going on."

:

00:57:31,795 --> 00:57:33,572

well now that was depressing:

Well, they don't uh, Adama does

:

00:57:33,572 --> 00:57:36,352

not care enough about Gaeta to

know what's about to happen to him

:

00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,660

WTF: But he goes to see Rosalind

:

00:57:40,013 --> 00:57:40,313

well now that was depressing: Yep.

:

00:57:40,502 --> 00:57:42,892

The Marines go get the

Tiliium refiner, we see that.

:

00:57:43,696 --> 00:57:45,196

Adama's gonna go hang out with Rosalyn.

:

00:57:45,196 --> 00:57:48,956

We cut to a scene with Zarek

and Gaita talking in the brig

:

00:57:49,110 --> 00:57:50,840

WTF: are we just letting

anybody talk to Zarek?

:

00:57:53,028 --> 00:57:55,338

well now that was depressing: If you'll

notice, there's Marines in the room

:

00:57:55,448 --> 00:57:57,188

while observing this conversation.

:

00:57:57,724 --> 00:58:00,434

WTF: They must be on

Gaeta's side already is

:

00:58:00,538 --> 00:58:01,158

well now that was depressing: yes.

:

00:58:02,548 --> 00:58:05,628

They, they make a point of showing

the Marines watching it and

:

00:58:05,628 --> 00:58:08,688

listening to the conversation,

and Gaeta looking over at them.

:

00:58:09,178 --> 00:58:14,368

Like, there's a visual tell here that

this is, I don't wanna say on the up

:

00:58:14,368 --> 00:58:16,388

and up, but Gaeta knows what he's doing

:

00:58:16,654 --> 00:58:17,094

WTF: Yeah.

:

00:58:17,334 --> 00:58:25,054

Zarek's, like, washing his hands,

which is an interesting visual as he's

:

00:58:25,054 --> 00:58:28,244

telling Gaeta that there are, there

are gonna be consequences for this.

:

00:58:28,244 --> 00:58:29,874

I hope you're ready for that.

:

00:58:31,256 --> 00:58:31,646

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:58:32,114 --> 00:58:35,574

WTF: his hands of whatever happens

to Gaeta, metaphorically, I think.

:

00:58:37,886 --> 00:58:41,256

Gaeta's like, "You're the

guy to lead us," or whatever.

:

00:58:41,636 --> 00:58:43,346

Do you have more about that scene?

:

00:58:43,742 --> 00:58:44,892

well now that was depressing:

Nope, that's it.

:

00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:45,320

WTF: So we're

:

00:58:45,402 --> 00:58:46,472

well now that was depressing:

There's just a little bit with

:

00:58:46,472 --> 00:58:48,112

Adama and Rosalyn afterwards

:

00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:50,260

WTF: Adama and Roslin

are finally doing it.

:

00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:51,460

Mom and Dad finally get

:

00:58:51,476 --> 00:58:52,246

well now that was depressing:

They're banging.

:

00:58:53,076 --> 00:58:54,206

Mom and dad are banging

:

00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:57,030

WTF: because I really think they

did do it on New Caprica, too.

:

00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:57,870

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,882

WTF: think that was heavily implied.

:

00:59:00,002 --> 00:59:06,772

But yeah, we're gonna live for today, I

guess, which, hmm, might not be great.

:

00:59:06,782 --> 00:59:11,102

Actually, there's a lot of things in here

that I'm thinking might not be great.

:

00:59:13,512 --> 00:59:15,552

Things that are happening

that I don't like

:

00:59:16,043 --> 00:59:16,623

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

00:59:16,813 --> 00:59:18,521

WTF: So, okay

:

00:59:18,601 --> 00:59:19,401

well now that was depressing:

That's it though.

:

00:59:19,551 --> 00:59:20,561

That's the episode

:

00:59:21,659 --> 00:59:23,559

WTF: Yeah, I suppose we're

supposed to rate it, huh?

:

00:59:24,179 --> 00:59:25,619

well now that was depressing:

Yep, one of 12 colonies

:

00:59:26,671 --> 00:59:30,801

WTF: I gotta rate my version

as, like, a six, dude

:

00:59:31,292 --> 00:59:32,162

well now that was depressing: That's fair.

:

00:59:32,192 --> 00:59:37,502

I'm gonna go ahead and put mine at an

11 just to even it out to the seven or

:

00:59:37,502 --> 00:59:39,802

eight I think this episode actually is

:

00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:43,720

WTF: 'cause my version missing

some key stuff that when you told

:

00:59:43,802 --> 00:59:44,992

well now that was depressing: Oh, yeah

:

00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:46,190

WTF: important

:

00:59:46,636 --> 00:59:47,516

well now that was depressing:

Super important.

:

00:59:47,786 --> 00:59:51,166

No, no, this solid, this episode's

like a solid eight, I think.

:

00:59:51,776 --> 00:59:55,306

But knowing that your version sucked

and mine was so much better, I'll,

:

00:59:55,666 --> 00:59:58,766

I'll even it out so that it-- We,

we'll say the total's an eight.

:

00:59:59,136 --> 01:00:00,936

Whatever, the 10 for your six.

:

01:00:00,936 --> 01:00:01,486

Yeah, whatever.

:

01:00:01,486 --> 01:00:02,106

It doesn't matter.

:

01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:04,656

No one's w- no one's keeping track.

:

01:00:04,656 --> 01:00:04,826

WTF: Yeah.

:

01:00:04,876 --> 01:00:05,216

Yeah.

:

01:00:05,666 --> 01:00:06,696

I just, wow.

:

01:00:06,696 --> 01:00:11,406

I'm thinking if this is the version that

we watched on television, I could see…

:

01:00:12,256 --> 01:00:12,726

You know, 'cause

:

01:00:13,058 --> 01:00:14,838

well now that was depressing: Especially

you wait a year and a half for this

:

01:00:14,838 --> 01:00:19,038

epis- well, no, you didn't actually

because the last one would've, the

:

01:00:19,038 --> 01:00:20,478

last two would've aired already.

:

01:00:21,098 --> 01:00:24,588

Or the last one and, yeah, well the

last, the last one and the webisodes

:

01:00:24,588 --> 01:00:26,868

would've aired as part of this chain, so

:

01:00:27,608 --> 01:00:31,378

WTF: I've gleaned that this last

season maybe wasn't satisfying

:

01:00:31,378 --> 01:00:32,748

for people in a lot of ways.

:

01:00:34,258 --> 01:00:38,408

you have enough of these where,

like, you cut important bits

:

01:00:38,478 --> 01:00:41,738

out because we, we need time to

:

01:00:41,756 --> 01:00:42,136

well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:42,318 --> 01:00:47,588

WTF: for the episode, and then, yeah,

you lose a lot in just those few minutes.

:

01:00:47,588 --> 01:00:51,188

Like, if mine was 44 and yours

was 53, that's a total of, like,

:

01:00:51,188 --> 01:00:52,878

nine minutes of material, right?

:

01:00:53,209 --> 01:00:53,349

And

:

01:00:53,395 --> 01:00:53,735

well now that was depressing: Yeah

:

01:00:55,669 --> 01:00:56,739

WTF: It was so important.

:

01:00:57,875 --> 01:00:58,255

well now that was depressing: Yeah.

:

01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:59,059

WTF: So I can see this

:

01:00:59,215 --> 01:01:01,085

well now that was depressing: It's

nine min- it's nine important minutes

:

01:01:01,529 --> 01:01:05,069

WTF: to, like, the lost vibe that

people have at the end of this of,

:

01:01:05,069 --> 01:01:06,639

like, "God, that was so unsatisfying."

:

01:01:06,669 --> 01:01:11,589

Well, it's like, yeah, 'cause all

the buildup to whatever happens,

:

01:01:11,739 --> 01:01:13,079

you cut out some important bits

:

01:01:14,867 --> 01:01:16,377

well now that was depressing: It

really makes me wonder about the last

:

01:01:16,407 --> 01:01:19,657

couple as well, and what the runtime

on your episodes are for those.

:

01:01:19,761 --> 01:01:20,641

WTF: We should double-check.

:

01:01:20,727 --> 01:01:20,837

well now that was depressing: Can,

:

01:01:20,931 --> 01:01:21,551

WTF: do a little…

:

01:01:21,657 --> 01:01:23,077

well now that was depressing: can

you, can you pull it up real quick?

:

01:01:23,117 --> 01:01:24,947

Do you have, like, iTunes on your thing?

:

01:01:25,021 --> 01:01:25,901

WTF: this machine,

:

01:01:26,187 --> 01:01:27,467

well now that was depressing:

Okay, don't worry about it.

:

01:01:28,101 --> 01:01:28,571

WTF: I'll send you

:

01:01:28,577 --> 01:01:29,967

well now that was depressing:

Text me what the runtimes

:

01:01:29,977 --> 01:01:31,957

are, yeah, 'cause I'm curious.

:

01:01:32,590 --> 01:01:36,940

all right, next up we've got

season four, episode 13, "The Oath"

:

01:01:37,102 --> 01:01:39,862

WTF: we were talking about that

in this episode, weren't we?

:

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well now that was depressing:

Yep Loyalties are made clear when

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Gaeta orchestrates a coup d'état.

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WTF: No shit,

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well now that was depressing:

Both prisoners and lives are taken

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WTF: Yeah.

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Go figure

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well now that was depressing:

Yep, it's going down

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WTF: Okay.

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Looking forward to it, question mark?

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Ah, I don't like to see our boy Geta

make I think are not very smart choices.

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we'll see

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well now that was depressing: All right.

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Well, that's it for us

this week, internet.

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Uh, We gotta say thank you to Jeremy

Siegel for doing our lovely theme music.

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Thank you so much, Jeremy.

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You can find more of Jeremy's work

at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com

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WTF: And you can find more of Angry

Duck Time Machine's work on Instagram

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well now that was depressing:

Aaron, thanks for letting me

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take a pause to cover my dog in a

blanket because she was shivering.

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Appreciate all the work

you do editing this podcast

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WTF: And thanks listener for being here

and finding out that, hey, maybe you also

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01:02:38,459 --> 01:02:41,769

got the shortened version of this episode.

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I'm curious in the Discord

if you wanna tell me if you

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well now that was depressing: Yeah.

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I wanna know what version you watched.

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Yeah.

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WTF: Yeah.

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well now that was depressing:

I wanna hear.

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WTF: How do you

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well now that was depressing: All right

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WTF: scenes?

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I wanna know

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well now that was depressing:

I wanna know.

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And uh, we'll see you next week, internet.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.