Episode 141

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Published on:

11th Sep 2024

Crusade 9 - The Lady of the Bongwater

Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers, as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer gaze into a crystal ball hoping to see a better episode in their future. Meanwhile, the Excalibur crew finds a guild navigator who helps angsty men with tortured backstories find solace in Crusade: Episode 4 - The Path of Sorrows.

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Laura:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're the Babylon 5 watch cast by a

couple of former strangers who are

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now friends and still getting to know

each other over one of their favorite

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shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: And I'm Ja'far.

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Laura: and it's another

episode of Crusade.

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Xhafer: You know, when we told our

friends in the Babylon 5 podcast and

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community that we were going to do this,

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Laura: huh.

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Ha,

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Xhafer: why would you

do this to yourselves?

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And there were a couple episodes of

the show where I'm all like, you know,

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I think that was unfair to Crusade.

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It was not unfair to Crusade.

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And it was a very legitimate

question to ask us.

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Laura: I think it makes for good material

for the type of podcast that we're doing.

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You know, we're not taking

the show super seriously.

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Uh, We didn't take Babylon 5 super

seriously, and we're sure as fuck

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not taking Crusade super seriously.

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I

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Xhafer: Yeah, this one was rough,

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Laura: the bones were there though, man.

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There were some bones that this

could have been good science fiction.

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Like,

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Xhafer: have been a really good science

fiction and instead it's boring at best.

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It's just, it's rough.

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man I don't know.

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This is the episode Scott was supposed

to be joining us on, listener, he's not.

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obviously we wish him well.

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I don't know that this episode

would have helped his recovery at

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Laura: No.

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Even making jokes about it might

be a little uh, much at this stage.

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Yeah, no, and it's sad, like,

I feel like we're kind of the

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crusade rewrite podcast too.

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Like, every time we're like, oh,

if they, just a little bit of

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this or just a little bit of that.

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Yeah.

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Like, and it's so easy for us to do, like.

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In hindsight, 30 years later,

like punch it up a bit.

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Xhafer: can make this, I can make

this episode better in one line very

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Laura: You think just one?

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Okay.

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I have a couple of places I

would tweak this one, but,

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Xhafer: Oh, I will.

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Yeah, no, it needs a lot of love,

but I can, I can take it from a, this

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was miserable to I get the point.

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Laura: uh,

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Xhafer: Like with one line

and it's not even a full line.

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It's a adjusted line of dialogue.

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Laura: Interesting.

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I can't wait till we get to it.

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We were talking before pod, behind the

curtain, off the pod, that you don't

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have very many notes for this one.

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Xhafer: I, this has to be the

least amount of notes I've ever

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taken for an episode of anything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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You said

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Xhafer: I think it's, I, Yeah, well,

it's close to a page and three quarters.

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It's, it's rough.

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normally, for context, I think I've said

this a couple times, my average is five

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pages of notes for an hour of television.

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Uh, Half hour shows tend to run

three to four ish, depending.

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Hour long, run five, cause you tend to

do a lot of uh, I see the production

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notes or kind of stuff that doesn't

really matter how long the episode is.

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I have gone on record saying

that sometimes I know an episode

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is bad when I like, we'll pause

it to go do the laundry and

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: I did not do

that with this episode.

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This episode was so bad that

I'm all like, I can't stop

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because I won't come back to it.

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Laura: I had that impulse this time.

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Like, there was something at the

beginning that I was like, oh, I need

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to pause because I need to go do that.

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And I don't usually, like, usually

we're going straight through unless

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one of the kids needs something.

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Like, you know, we'll pause a few

times for me to take notes, but.

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I don't usually pause to get up and

leave, but I did that with this one.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm really looking

forward to Battlestar right now.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, we're not too far.

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We're getting there.

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Xhafer: No, we've got, what, four

episodes of Crusade left after this?

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Laura: And a book that I still need

to finish reading, but I'm enjoying.

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Xhafer: I, I'm not super far into

it, but I am enjoying the book.

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We're going to do the Centauri trilogy.

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Laura: We have the lost tales.

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We haven't done the lost tales.

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Xhafer: that's right.

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Lost Tales is the last

thing because Galen's in it.

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So we wanted to wait till after

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Laura: Oh, I didn't remember, well,

but I didn't watch Crusade, so I

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didn't really have a context for

Galen when I watched The Lost Tales.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Well, this one, I should probably,

should probably talk about the episode.

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Laura: I'm wondering if I should

lead, because you only have two,

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less than two pages of notes.

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Xhafer: I mean, it opens pretty

much the same, I think, regardless,

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Laura: it's always the Excalibur

at some point, doing something.

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Xhafer: This time they're hanging

out outside the dark tower

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trying to find their way in.

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Laura: Yeah, Doreen is trying to climb it.

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That seems legit.

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Yeah.

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Max is bitching about not

being able to get inside.

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Xhafer: Yeah, there's

a riddle on the door.

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Laura: Yeah, who's gonna know

what to do with a riddle?

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The space wizard.

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Duh.

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Xhafer: Of course, yeah.

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What a balanced adventuring party this is.

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Laura: Yeah, okay, so

we have space wizard.

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Um, we have space rogue, obviously.

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What do we call Max?

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What is Max?

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Xhafer: Max is probably an artificer?

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Laura: Okay,

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Xhafer: I mean, our space wizard is

technically an artificer, I feel,

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Laura: mm.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: you know, that's, he's

a space wizard, it's fine.

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yeah, he's kinda like, he might also be

a rogue, but just like a very, like, it

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depends on what system we're running.

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In 3.

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5 he would be an in paced rogue.

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Laura: Yeah, I like Artificer for him,

because he's always foolin with, like,

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gadgets to do languages and stuff.

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Xhafer: You know, he might be a bard.

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Laura: Is he a bard or is he a monk?

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Xhafer: I think he's a bard.

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So if we look at like bard abilities,

right, you've got the thing that gives you

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proficiency in all your skills, you know,

your jack of all trades, you've got your

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like bardic knowledge where you can just

kind of summon ethereal knowledge from the

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past and stuff and put things together.

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And then bards can also attack

with like your vicious mockeries.

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Laura: Mm Yeah, I guess.

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See, here's the

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Xhafer: really like a sing y bard,

but you don't have to be like a sing

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y instrument y bard to be a bard.

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You can be a historian.

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Laura: Buddy, here's the thing.

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Mm hmm.

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With bards, I feel like they should

be able to sleep their way through any

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problem, and I don't think Max could have

sex to save his self out of a paper bag.

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You know what I mean?

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Xhafer: Fair.

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Um, he's not a charisma based bard,

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Laura: No.

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Xhafer: think, I think he, I might build

him as a, if I were to build this in 3.

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5 or 5th edition D& D, I

think I'd build him as a bard.

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Laura: Okay, but he's like the

anti bard because he can't get any.

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Xhafer: It's an unusual type of

bard, but a bard nevertheless.

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Laura: what is Gideon then?

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Xhafer: Gideon, I think, is a ranger.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: It's kind of like, hangs

out in the back, keeps track

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of everything that's going on,

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says when to fire, does a

couple things here and there.

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Laura: he's got leadership skills.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He would be a marshal in 3 5, which

is a lot more like a leadership

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type class where you're like, your

thing is you're the party leader

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: and you like give bonuses to

people who are around you and stuff.

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He might be a paladin.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: I can see that working, too.

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Laura: no, I kind of like that.

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I like both of them.

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Xhafer: Yeah, an oath bound paladin.

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Yeah, yeah, there we go.

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We did not have this

planned for Cold Open, but

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Laura: No,

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but it's

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Xhafer: of Babylon 5.

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Laura: And then, there's one

left I really want to know.

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Mathison.

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What is Mathison?

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Xhafer: Matheson might

be a space sorcerer.

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Laura: Yeah, he has like a

natural ability, whereas Space

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Wizard has studied it all.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he's, I don't think he's

very, I mean, he's like a lieutenant,

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he's not supposed to be a particularly,

like, high ranking character, but I think

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he's like a nice little low level wizard.

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Yeah, or sorcerer.

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Yeah, sorcerer, not wizard.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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I like that.

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And I like that we did spend

some more time with Matheson

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this time, in this episode.

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Xhafer: he's a good character to spend

time with, and actually, I think his

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bit was the highlight of the episode.

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Laura: Exactly!

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I said the same thing!

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Xhafer: I was ready to just write

this whole thing off as going

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to be Gideon flashback in space.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: When it went to commercial and

came back from commercial and he was still

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in space, I'm just like, oh god, this

is the whole fucking episode, isn't it?

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, his went

on a little long, but we'll

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get there, we'll get there.

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Xhafer: Yeah, so they gotta get

in, they gotta solve this riddle.

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And our space wizard makes our space rogue

cry uh, and then uses her tear to get in.

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Laura: yeah, he like

straight up bullies her.

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Xhafer: Yeah, Galen has no

trouble finding the button here.

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And just leading us to our terrible,

terrible fucking theme song.

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Laura: Smash!

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we get some kind of alien head

smoking at us to the theme song.

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Uh, Yeah.

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Xhafer: this is the world's lar this

world's, at least, largest water bong.

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which reveals itself to be a

clip show machine when Gideon

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relives being stranded in space.

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They decided to bring it aboard

because, of course, they do.

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Laura: Yeah, this doesn't seem,

possibly dangerous at all.

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Big crystal ball with maybe an

alien trapped inside, or something?

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And this is from a dead world again, yes?

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Xhafer: Presumably.

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It looks pretty dead.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: look like a, a, a live world.

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Laura: yeah.

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Crystal ball from a dead world.

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Not dangerous.

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Xhafer: No.

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Galen just rides the

train to pass the time.

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He can't sign up for free

trial of ISN of course.

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Those terms and conditions, yikes.

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Uh, He comes to some conclusion

after talking with Matheson

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briefly and leaves him on the tram

to come to the same conclusion.

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Laura: Yeah, they, I guess Galen was gonna

leave when they got what they came for,

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but he's riding the train because they

haven't actually got what they came for.

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Is that what's, this is happening?

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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For sure.

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He's like, oh, it's On board,

so we can just leave this planet

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now, even though we haven't.

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Laura: yeah.

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to

take it away with it on board.

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I would want to stay

like in orbit cause like,

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Xhafer: well, then you

shouldn't bring it on board.

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Laura: well, that that's the thing.

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I, I wouldn't have brought it on board.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I think if you bring it on

board, you leave immediately

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because you brought it on board.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Uh, So many logical decisions here.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Right?

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Gideon does our pod intro with

the Lady of the Bong Water.

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It uh, kind of sings, speaks in an

understandable but unknowable language.

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And we get the full flashback of

Ensign Gideon on the Cerberus.

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Laura: Cerberus.

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So.

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The ship has been attacked by

something, at the start, yes?

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and Gideon and a team are

sent out to EVA some repairs.

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But then the ship starts

to jump without them?

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Is that right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, the ship's trying to

get away because the thing is back.

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Which, boy, that sucks.

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I mean, I guess it must

happen in space, but,

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uh, yeah.

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But the ship can't make it anyway.

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Uh, It's actually being

attacked by a shadow ship.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Not one that I remember seeing.

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this

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is

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Laura: a different design.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Kind of where the shadow

ships really reminded me of, like,

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spiders, this one's more like

a different insect, you know?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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This one's like a

caterpillar or something.

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Laura: I was gonna say.

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But yeah, something, something a

little rounder than the spider has

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like long legs, you know, this has

like roundness and shorter legs to it.

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So Caterpillar also works pretty well.

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But they explode the ship.

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And I guess Gideon is the only

one left alive, even though

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a whole team went out there.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, if they weren't

detached enough from the ship

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at that time, then they got pulled

with it when it started to accelerate.

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Laura: Ooh.

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Ooh.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, I

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Laura: Mm-Hmm.

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Xhafer: yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's

not like the pull of the ship would do

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anything to you besides move you because

there's no other force holding you in

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place, you know, there's no gravity,

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Laura: You might black out from the speed.

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Huh.

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Xhafer: um, I don't.

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I don't think you would, but

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Laura: It

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Xhafer: you might.

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It depends a lot on how the,

it depends on how much you can

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move inside of those suits.

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if there's like, wait, if you can

get shaken in one of those suits,

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if it's not like skin tight on

the inside, holding you in place.

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Laura: huh.

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Xhafer: Cause otherwise you

would just move as one thing.

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I would think it would just pull.

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Laura: It sure seems like the helmet

is, got some, some room in it.

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So you might actually,

like, wang your head.

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Xhafer: Yeah, and Skoogans did bust her

head open inside of it last episode, so.

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Laura: So,

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Xhafer: Okay, yeah, you might be fucked.

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Laura: Yeah, not great.

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Not, not a good situation, no

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Xhafer: Seems like a design

flaw, actually, but, regardless.

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Gotta, gotta have those actors

show those pretty faces, what

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else are you paying them for?

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Laura: Mm hmm, yeah.

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So he's floating in space,

he's got three minutes left of

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oxygen, and he sees the fleet

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Xhafer: The Technomage fleet, yeah.

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Laura: little black ships.

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Tries to hail them, and of course

no one responds because they're

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supposed to be above these matters of

mortals in the universe or whatever.

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Mm hmm.

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They're like the elves in Lord of

the Rings going off to the west.

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Xhafer: You know what?

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Since, like, four or five episodes

ago, I forget when it was, when we

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found out that the Technomages are just

fuckin the descendants of rich humans,

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: I have so much less

sympathy for these fuckers.

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And also, like, no, they're

just the 1 percent flying off.

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They're above the matters of peasants,

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is the real

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Laura: rude.

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Yeah.

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Ew, does this mean like the

descendants of like Elon Musk and

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's

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Laura: are gonna be techno mages?

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Fuck that.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's, that's

exactly the implication.

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It's people who were so rich that they

developed, they had technology developed

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to implant inside of them to make them

live longer and to give them superpowers.

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Those are the techno mages.

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They're the people who could

afford to fucking do that and then

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fucked off with their super wealth.

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They are the 1%.

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They are exactly the

descendants of your Elon Musk.

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Like, that is exactly who these people

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Laura: Oof.

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I feel some, some riots coming on.

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Ha ha ha.

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Xhafer: riots.

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Laura: the Bell Riots today, everybody.

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Happy Bell Riots.

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Xhafer: I got dinner plans.

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Can we riot tomorrow?

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Laura: yeah.

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I mean, anytime is a good time

for a riot if you have the right

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Xhafer: Yeah, just, just let

my back heal up a little bit.

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I'll be, I'll get into

the rioting later, guys.

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Laura: That's real though.

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So Gideon's about to pass out when

suddenly one of the ships stops

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and picks him up, and it's Galen.

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Xhafer: Are these ships

bigger on the inside?

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That was the vibe I got.

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Laura: well, they've got that

same technology as the Excalibur

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for the basketball court.

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Xhafer: Ah, okay.

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Uh,

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Laura: Yeah, so we cut from

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Xhafer: yeah, we skip ahead a little bit.

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Yeah,

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Laura: I didn't catch what level this

guy was, but I assume like general,

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Xhafer: yeah, something,

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Laura: something high up.

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Xhafer: something.

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Yeah, enough to be yelling at

an ensign, but not enough to be

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like, I don't know, maybe not.

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I don't know.

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Laura: Now, let's talk

about this for a second.

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So, they tell us that Gideon

is an ensign here, right?

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And they also tell us that President

Clark wants this all cleared up.

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So, Clark is president,

Gideon is an ensign.

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Is it just me, or did he

move up ranks pretty fast?

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Xhafer: So if this is at the very

beginning of Clark's administration,

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Which would be before they

knew what shadow ships were,

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: right?

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Clark becomes president at the end

of season one uh, shadow ships get

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revealed at the end of season two.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: So I'm guessing it fits in that

year, which means it's been seven years

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since then for him to become captain.

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Laura: Seven years?

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Xhafer: Yeah, so we've got the four

years of the show and then there's

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a three, the three, the four, the

last four years of the show and a

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three year gap in between the end of

season five and the start of crusade.

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Laura: Okay, so, Call to Arms fits

in right before the start of Crusade.

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So it had been a couple of years

between End of Show and Call to Arms.

408

:

Xhafer: Yes.

409

:

Laura: Yeah.

410

:

Okay.

411

:

Xhafer: And that's if

this is early season two.

412

:

It does seem fast.

413

:

No, no, it's it is.

414

:

And this is his first command though.

415

:

Yeah.

416

:

Yeah.

417

:

Is kind of, I think that's

alluded to a couple of

418

:

Laura: Oh, I thought they, I thought

they were like, no, he's, he's the right

419

:

captain because he's, does the thing.

420

:

Like, I thought he had

421

:

Xhafer: the deep, the, the, yeah, he, I

think he missed the civil war by being

422

:

out on a deep space exploration ship.

423

:

And I think he was the

first officer there.

424

:

He might've, I mean, that's the thing

too, is when you're on one of those, you

425

:

don't get reinforcement, so you could show

up as fourth or fifth in line and then a

426

:

couple of bad away missions and you're the

427

:

Laura: yeah, because they should stop

sending the captain on the away missions.

428

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

429

:

They don't have that rule in earth force.

430

:

Laura: because like Lockley was out

fighting Raiders and got herself stranded.

431

:

So.

432

:

Xhafer: That's absurd.

433

:

Can you imagine Picard?

434

:

Laura: It's absurd, yeah,

435

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

436

:

So he gets grilled here for a bit.

437

:

And obviously this doesn't ruin

his Earthforce career because

438

:

he does make it to captain.

439

:

We skip ahead again.

440

:

We don't know how far, except

that he's a lieutenant now.

441

:

And then we see the scene where,

442

:

Laura: oh, did they tell us he

was a lieutenant in that scene?

443

:

Xhafer: yeah, someone refers to him as a

444

:

Laura: Okay, I missed that part.

445

:

Okay,

446

:

Xhafer: Um, it's, it's

off, offhand dialogue.

447

:

Laura: at a poker game in

like, civilian clothing,

448

:

Xhafer: Yeah, playing games

with weird shaped playing cards.

449

:

I love me some weird shaped

playing cards in sci fi.

450

:

It makes absolutely no sense, but I'm

fucking here for it every single time.

451

:

Laura: Give me weird shapes.

452

:

Give me weird designs.

453

:

I'm on

454

:

it.

455

:

Xhafer: percent.

456

:

Laura: Yeah.

457

:

Doesn't Dabo have like round cards?

458

:

Xhafer: Damo's got weird cards.

459

:

Sabacc's got, like, weird,

like, diamond kind of cards.

460

:

Things from, they're like, they're

not diamonds, but they're kind

461

:

of like that shape, almost like

an inverse hourglass kind of

462

:

thing.

463

:

Um, fucking Battlestar.

464

:

All of the paper has the

corners cut off in Battlestar.

465

:

Laura: It's like round corners,

466

:

Xhafer: No, it's just, no, it's just like,

467

:

Laura: Like we just cut it off.

468

:

Like where, where

469

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

470

:

We just cut off the corners.

471

:

Yeah, exactly.

472

:

No staples.

473

:

Laura: All right.

474

:

Xhafer: All corners just cut off

at like a little 45 degree, like an

475

:

inch or something out of the paper.

476

:

And that goes to the

playing cards as well.

477

:

Laura: Hmm.

478

:

Xhafer: They've got all

the corners cut off.

479

:

And I, we'll talk about that

when we get to Battlestar.

480

:

It's one of the smallest world

building details that I'm

481

:

just a fucking sucker for.

482

:

Laura: Yeah.

483

:

Xhafer: It makes no sense.

484

:

Laura: do like weird cards.

485

:

Xhafer: even the, the Battlestar

collectible card game, which exists

486

:

Laura: they carry it to the card game?

487

:

Xhafer: They did

488

:

Laura: Awesome!

489

:

What a

490

:

Xhafer: all all the card game cards

have the corners missing, right?

491

:

Ugh, so good.

492

:

Laura: Cool.

493

:

Cool effect.

494

:

Yeah, so, Gideon's opponent can't

pay up to uh, to play his hand,

495

:

and offers up some collateral.

496

:

Cool.

497

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

498

:

We see the apocalypse box.

499

:

He whips it out, shows the

room, says it's older than

500

:

mankind, and that it knows things

501

:

Laura: So, Homie just rolled

up to this poker game carrying

502

:

a giant box for no reason.

503

:

Xhafer: and the box told him to.

504

:

So this is all implied, right?

505

:

The box wanted to get to

Gideon is, is what I'm.

506

:

Is what I'm presupposing

507

:

here is my theory is that the box knew

that Gideon was going to be this game.

508

:

The box wanted to get to Gideon.

509

:

And so the box lied to him

about what hand to play.

510

:

And I was like, no, you'll win this one.

511

:

Bet me as collateral.

512

:

You'll take all of his money, which is

why when he loses, he's just laughing

513

:

because

514

:

the box fucking

515

:

lied to him.

516

:

And then he, well, he says

it right after to the box

517

:

Laura: Yeah, he did say that.

518

:

I did take note.

519

:

Xhafer: So I think that's exactly how he

wouldn't have brought that box normally,

520

:

but the box was all like, you're going

to want me at this poker game or maybe it

521

:

helps them cheat at cards all the time.

522

:

Laura: you know, that's just hysterical

though, like the box telling you,

523

:

bring me to the poker game and then

you roll up to the poker game carrying

524

:

your giant box because it told you to.

525

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

526

:

Laura: like, this isn't

embarrassing at all.

527

:

I don't take orders from my box.

528

:

Xhafer: So, well, it controls,

I mean, he was, there's a reason

529

:

his dying words are I'm free.

530

:

Laura: Right?

531

:

Yeah.

532

:

So let's, let's go

through the whole scene.

533

:

We keep like alluding to moments away.

534

:

So, he, He puts up the apocalypse box as

collateral when he has, what, two pair?

535

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

536

:

Or he had a full house or no, no.

537

:

Okay.

538

:

So Gideon has a full house.

539

:

Previous owner of the

apocalypse box had two

540

:

pair.

541

:

Laura: that's what I was, okay.

542

:

So, Gideon gets the box, and is

like, taking it away, and his, the

543

:

box's owner laughs hysterically.

544

:

And tells him, but sometimes it lies.

545

:

Like, yeah, it tells you things about the

future and stuff, but sometimes it lies.

546

:

And then bolts and gets

himself hit by a motor scooter.

547

:

Xhafer: Just

548

:

like, I'm

549

:

Laura: tries to, like, get him

to a hospital and he's like,

550

:

No, no, no, I would rather die.

551

:

I'm free now, thank God.

552

:

So, now Gideon has an ominous box.

553

:

Xhafer: Yeah, which we've seen,

it's taken him to some unsavory

554

:

places in the galaxy so far.

555

:

Like, we have not, some of the

leads that we believe it was

556

:

responsible for, not great.

557

:

Yeah.

558

:

Laura: doesn't want him to trust Galen.

559

:

And we like Galen as an audience.

560

:

So

561

:

Xhafer: We do.

562

:

Laura: not a good look, Box.

563

:

Xhafer: Yeah, well I mean, the

box knows that, you know, he

564

:

can smell that musk on him.

565

:

Laura: Yeah, the Box knows.

566

:

Xhafer: mm hmm,

567

:

Laura: I, I, as much as I am

here for the Box content, I think

568

:

the Box content is hilarious.

569

:

Let's talk edits, Ja'far.

570

:

Xhafer: okay,

571

:

Laura: I would not have put any of

this shit about the Box in here.

572

:

I would have taken it out.

573

:

Because the, as we come back to the alien.

574

:

You know, the alien is satisfied

with this truth that Gideon has

575

:

shared and forgives him, right?

576

:

Xhafer: yeah,

577

:

Laura: I think the thing that Gideon

wants forgiveness for is, like,

578

:

watch his survivor's guilt, like,

watching everyone on the Cerberus die.

579

:

You

580

:

Xhafer: and watching this other dude

die, yeah, that's why, that's why

581

:

you get both stories, I think, is

because they're both survivor's guilt

582

:

Laura: I guess, but I, I don't think,

583

:

Xhafer: Oh, they're not comparable,

584

:

what is way

585

:

Laura: I think that this, the box, the

guy getting, like, hit by the motor

586

:

scooter for the weird, like, oh god,

thank god I'm free from the apocalypse

587

:

box, like, that's not Gideon's fault.

588

:

Like, that's just a weird

thing that happened to him

589

:

and could be super unsettling.

590

:

But he didn't do anything to cause that.

591

:

Xhafer: he didn't push that

guy in front of the motorcycle,

592

:

Laura: Right.

593

:

I think that if you should take that out

and leave it at, like, Gideon's, like,

594

:

survivor's guilt of not understanding

what happened to the Cerberus, no

595

:

one believing him about the ship that

he saw, getting rescued by, like,

596

:

space wizards, and, like, why am I

still alive when everybody else died?

597

:

I think, I think that it's more

impactful if you leave it there.

598

:

Xhafer: And then if you

have it just to be that,

599

:

right, then you've got Matheson's

story coming up in a minute, which

600

:

could also be a survivor's guilt story.

601

:

And then you have Galen's story

coming up after that, which could

602

:

was also a survivor's guilt story.

603

:

Laura: hmm.

604

:

Xhafer: So you have, that's

the pain that you feel.

605

:

You know, the pain of living, which

is also in line with, you know,

606

:

all, well, of course I have pain.

607

:

I'm alive is something Gideon says at

something along those lines at some point.

608

:

So it's just like, it all

kind of falls into place then.

609

:

Laura: Yeah, I think you gotta move the

box story and I think you could contain

610

:

it in this episode and just put it

like toward the end where we're like,

611

:

he's, Gideon's privately reflecting

on another experience, you know?

612

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

613

:

I think I would move it up and have

it be the flashback that occurs

614

:

when they first encounter the orb.

615

:

Laura: Okay.

616

:

Xhafer: he's granted forgiveness, before

we know what's going on with this thing.

617

:

It's just like, pierce something

off of his memory off the

618

:

top and that's what it gets.

619

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

620

:

Maybe

621

:

that's what makes it interested.

622

:

Like, ooh, the box?

623

:

I know the box.

624

:

Xhafer: yeah.

625

:

the box and I are old buddies, yeah.

626

:

The box causes lots of people to have

survivor guilt and I eat that shit up.

627

:

So,

628

:

Laura: Yeah, so Gideon leaves.

629

:

We don't follow up with that

right away, and Matheson

630

:

goes to see the alien.

631

:

Xhafer: Why do they call it an

apocalypse box if it just knows stuff?

632

:

Shouldn't it just be a knowin stuff box?

633

:

Laura: Maybe that's, maybe the box

causes apocalypses with what it knows.

634

:

Maybe it's actually a Pandora's box.

635

:

Xhafer: They call it a Pandora's box!

636

:

I just, I don't know why you would ever

want something called an apocalypse box.

637

:

It seems like an item that

you would not take ownership

638

:

Laura: Mm mm.

639

:

Like, no thanks.

640

:

You can keep your weird box, guy.

641

:

Xhafer: With that name, nah.

642

:

Mm

643

:

Laura: yeah, yeah.

644

:

so Matheson goes to see the alien in the

645

:

crystal ball, and the background music

here sounded like something I would

646

:

listen to while I'm in the bathtub.

647

:

Like it's very new age spa,

648

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

649

:

Laura: that you would have it on the

background while you're getting a massage.

650

:

The music in

651

:

the show, Ja'far,

652

:

Xhafer: It's terrible.

653

:

Laura: so bad.

654

:

Xhafer: We get a flashback

to, I'm believing Matheson

655

:

here is a Psycop in training.

656

:

Laura: Yeah, cause he's definitely at the

Psycorp headquarters building that we saw,

657

:

like, in the last Bester episode, right?

658

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

659

:

Laura: Where he had his

little Psycop interns.

660

:

Xhafer: in the black suit.

661

:

He's got the pin on, he's got the

662

:

gloves.

663

:

Like it's very Psycop looking, but we hear

that all the Psycops are off doing shit.

664

:

Laura: Uh huh.

665

:

Important shit.

666

:

Mhm.

667

:

Xhafer: so, he needs

to be doing this thing.

668

:

Laura: Mhm.

669

:

Yeah, the, the Psycops are

all handling rebellion stuff.

670

:

So this is the height of

the problems, I think.

671

:

Of the troubles, if you will.

672

:

Xhafer: I, I would say it's the

climax of the side cop troubles.

673

:

Laura: Yeah.

674

:

He's got to give the, administer

the sleepers to a resistance

675

:

telepath that has been

676

:

captured that was like a leader.

677

:

Very high up.

678

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

679

:

He's getting his orders from

Gary, motherfucking Graham.

680

:

just throwing that out there.

681

:

Had no idea he was in this show.

682

:

Laura: Tell me about Gary Graham.

683

:

I don't, I don't remember this name.

684

:

Xhafer: Gary Graham is fucking everywhere.

685

:

But the role for him that always comes

to mind is uh, is it soak in enterprise?

686

:

He's like the lead Vulcan dude.

687

:

In Enterprise.

688

:

Not the one on the ship, but the

like Vulcan ambassador to earth.

689

:

He's Sarek's predecessor.

690

:

Laura: Okay, but I'm doing

the most important Google to

691

:

see if he was ever an airwolf.

692

:

It doesn't appear that

he was an airwolf, so.

693

:

Xhafer: Okay.

694

:

Laura: All right.

695

:

And I haven't seen much of Enterprise,

that's why I didn't clock him at

696

:

all.

697

:

Yeah, Yeah,

698

:

Xhafer: I think he's maybe in

like 10, maybe 15 episodes.

699

:

He's not in a ton.

700

:

Laura: yeah.

701

:

But he does have a,

like, a Vulcan ish face.

702

:

You know, like, they

703

:

like a face with some,

like, Strong eyebrows.

704

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

705

:

Laura: Or potential for strong eyebrows.

706

:

So yes.

707

:

He's going to administer the

sleepers to this resistance lady.

708

:

He has orders not to talk to her,

but of course he talks to her.

709

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she's all like,

look, I'm the last one left.

710

:

All the other resistance leaders are dead.

711

:

They say they're going to take me

over here for this other thing.

712

:

Now they're just going to fucking kill me.

713

:

They're going to kill me.

714

:

Like they killed every single one of

my peers and you can look up my peers

715

:

and see what the fuck's going on.

716

:

And so he does.

717

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

718

:

Xhafer: And it is a fucking crime

that Byron is not on this list.

719

:

Laura: Oh yes!

720

:

Because Byron would be dead

by this point, wouldn't he?

721

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

722

:

He'd be a dead resistance.

723

:

He'd be, he would've been dead

for a little while at this

724

:

point.

725

:

Yeah.

726

:

He had been dead for a couple of

years, but he is a resistance leader.

727

:

And if you're going through the

list of resistance leaders and

728

:

checking their alive dead status,

729

:

you would think he'd be on that

730

:

Laura: Is he only not on the list?

731

:

I mean, I think the show should

put him on the list because that

732

:

is a fun callback and people would

be like, Yeah, I remember Byron.

733

:

Remember Byron.

734

:

Xhafer: That is the

735

:

Laura: that is the thing.

736

:

But is it just like, so ubiquitous

that we know how Byron died?

737

:

Like, because Leta was making it a thing.

738

:

She was gonna share it everywhere.

739

:

Xhafer: I mean, if there was a storyline

reason for Byron not being on this

740

:

list, it would be Bester erasing him

simply because of Remember Byron,

741

:

Laura: Yeah.

742

:

Xhafer: just like out of spite.

743

:

Laura: Yeah.

744

:

Xhafer: But No, he, a thousand percent.

745

:

There's no reason he shouldn't

have been on this list.

746

:

Laura: Agree.

747

:

Xhafer: Even if it's just a

still, you can pay the actor the,

748

:

the hundred bucks or whatever,

749

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

750

:

Xhafer: like it can't be, it can't be that

much money to use someone's production

751

:

still of someone from a previous episode.

752

:

Laura: Because we love

callbacks to this stuff.

753

:

We love that shit.

754

:

Eat it up.

755

:

Xhafer: And that's one of the

things this show does so good.

756

:

So to not see Byron here, not actually the

thing I would change with this episode.

757

:

Laura: No, I I would throw this

in there, because if we could have

758

:

Lockley We had Lockley just like

reading personal logs to an alien

759

:

in Med Bay a few episode back.

760

:

Like, why can't we have a s just a still

shot, just a second of Byron on the list?

761

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

762

:

Laura: Okay, so He goes back

to administer the sleepers.

763

:

I think this is they said every two hours?

764

:

Xhafer: Something.

765

:

It was

766

:

Laura: Yeah, so He's got to see her

a lot in a short amount of time.

767

:

She tells him that if he continues this,

then her blood is on his hands, because

768

:

he's uh, helping them get her killed.

769

:

He goes to administer the dose when

someone walks in the door behind him,

770

:

but uh, just squirts it on her arm.

771

:

He does not give

772

:

Xhafer: Yep.

773

:

Yep.

774

:

Just a little, just a

little squirt on the arm.

775

:

The turned anti vaxxer.

776

:

So.

777

:

Laura: The superior runs into him

in the hallway and is like, Oh, hey.

778

:

That raid we were doing, they

weren't where they, they weren't

779

:

where we thought they were gonna be.

780

:

So now we gotta find them.

781

:

Math is in charge, charges back to her

cell and wants to know what she's up to.

782

:

Uh, She tells him that she smuggled

in a homing device, like digs it

783

:

out of her leg with the needle

784

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

785

:

Right.

786

:

Laura: and now they know where the

Sitecore base is and they'll be attacking.

787

:

So he better run while he can.

788

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

789

:

And then he does like immediately and

the attack starts almost immediately.

790

:

Laura: Yeah, he's like running through

hallways and all of a sudden the alarms

791

:

start blaring and the ground starts

792

:

shaking and uh,

793

:

Xhafer: We see

794

:

him in a shuttle.

795

:

Laura: He gets on that shuttle right

as the base explodes, they take off.

796

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

797

:

So they just like nuke

the thing or something.

798

:

Laura: Yeah.

799

:

Crazy.

800

:

So, out of the flashback,

the alien forgives Matheson

801

:

as well, and we don't see

802

:

his response to that.

803

:

He just walks away.

804

:

Xhafer: And then Galen comes in and

he says that he knows what's up.

805

:

This thing is feeding off of fear.

806

:

If you're feeding off of

sadness, it's all like, nah, bro.

807

:

I feed off forgiveness.

808

:

Laura: Yeah,

809

:

Galen's a suspicious bitch.

810

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean

811

:

Laura: It's part of Space Wizard, I think.

812

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it just

comes with the territory.

813

:

When your boys make dragons for fun, like

You're gonna be suspicious of some shit.

814

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

815

:

Well, and didn't one of their other

homeboys make the uh, the virus thing?

816

:

Xhafer: Oh yeah, they're all shady.

817

:

They're all shady, for sure.

818

:

Laura: Hmm.

819

:

Man, that could have gone somewhere.

820

:

The Technomage is turning out to

be, like, actually pretty evil.

821

:

Xhafer: I mean I think they are maybe

not categorically, but like for sure.

822

:

I mean, they left because they didn't

want to do the shadows bidding.

823

:

Laura: Yeah.

824

:

Xhafer: You know, they're like,

we don't want to get involved in

825

:

this conflict because it's going to

be fucking messy for us if we do.

826

:

Laura: But if you just take that at the

Babylon 5 level, it seems kind of noble.

827

:

It seems kind of, like, evil.

828

:

altruistic and a good thing.

829

:

Like, we're taking our technology

away so it can't go into bad hands.

830

:

But as we're going through

Crusade, we're actually seeing

831

:

that the order is kind of corrupt.

832

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

833

:

I mean, I, I always took it as

kind of a, if we stick around

834

:

the shadows will enslave us.

835

:

Laura: Uh

836

:

Xhafer: it's like.

837

:

And yeah, we want, we don't want them

to have the technology, but do you want

838

:

them not to have that technology because

you care about the galaxy or do you want

839

:

them to not have the technology because

it's implanted in your fucking chest?

840

:

Laura: Uh huh.

841

:

Yeah.

842

:

Yeah.

843

:

Yeah, I don't know.

844

:

I, I'm excited by it.

845

:

I wish there was more of that and

more interesting things to go with it.

846

:

Xhafer: so the, the lady of the

long water tells Galen that he

847

:

cannot be offered forgiveness

because he must offer it himself.

848

:

Laura: Yes.

849

:

Xhafer: And we see Isabella's death,

and the love of his life dying.

850

:

It's like, don't go, don't leave

me to die alone, all this stuff.

851

:

I'll send a message

through the cosmos somehow.

852

:

Laura: Yeah, this was not effective.

853

:

Xhafer: it's sad, but it's

also just like, they're both so

854

:

like above talking to people.

855

:

It feels

856

:

That them expressing these serious

emotions is so hard to take

857

:

seriously because they're so past

this most of the time in their

858

:

casual interactions with people.

859

:

They're so Galen is so.

860

:

Uncaring of everyone else's emotions that

when he feels sad, I do not feel empathy

861

:

towards him because he's an asshole.

862

:

Laura: Yeah.

863

:

I don't get it, because like,

she's never been mentioned.

864

:

And, no, you shouldn't

necessarily have to have that.

865

:

But, like,

866

:

Xhafer: I think she, I think she was,

867

:

Laura: know we learned

about her in a quiz.

868

:

Mm

869

:

Xhafer: of her.

870

:

I don't know if we got a name,

but there was, when he was talking

871

:

with the techno mage on the dragon

872

:

planet, there was some conversation

there, if memory serves about

873

:

like the love of his life.

874

:

Laura: Yeah,

875

:

maybe.

876

:

I just remember the

877

:

quiz.

878

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

879

:

Laura: Like, it felt like we're

just shoehorning in a woman to

880

:

Fridge to give Galen a backstory.

881

:

Like, for plot.

882

:

And I'm like,

883

:

Xhafer: yeah.

884

:

Laura: I was interested in her telling

us, through their conversation, telling

885

:

us that they're, they're stuck on a

planet and they've been stripped of

886

:

everything they are by some of their own.

887

:

So it's more of that, like,

technomage infighting and corruption.

888

:

And I wanted to know more about that.

889

:

I didn't really care about Isabel

because, again, she's just there

890

:

to kind of like deliver a soliloquy

891

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

892

:

Laura: and die.

893

:

And to tell Galen that he needs to learn

to believe there's a god, basically.

894

:

I don't know.

895

:

I didn't care about any

of this story at all.

896

:

Xhafer: None of this hits, and this

is, this is the line I would change.

897

:

Laura: Alright, hit me.

898

:

Xhafer: cannot be offered forgiveness

because he must offer it to himself.

899

:

Laura: Yeah.

900

:

Xhafer: That's all.

901

:

That's all you need.

902

:

Not, you must offer forgiveness,

903

:

y yourself.

904

:

You must offer it to yourself.

905

:

You have to be able to forgive yourself.

906

:

I cannot help you.

907

:

Laura: And they've made it really

ambiguous in the flashback of like, she's

908

:

telling him he needs to forgive God.

909

:

And,

910

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

911

:

Laura: I'm like, is he, does he

need to forgive her for leaving him?

912

:

Like, that's a, that's a stage

of grief people go through.

913

:

Right?

914

:

I mean, that could be it too.

915

:

It's not clear about where

this forgiveness goes, really.

916

:

Xhafer: Yeah, and I don't

think it really fucking

917

:

matters.

918

:

It's, this is the lowest

point of the episode easily.

919

:

Laura: Did not enjoy, would not do that.

920

:

would figure

921

:

Xhafer: So Galen gets ready

to fireball this bitch.

922

:

And uh, Gideon makes him stop.

923

:

Laura: And now we're gonna

take it back where we found it.

924

:

Xhafer: Yeah, we just wanted to

have a couple more flashback scenes

925

:

without having to pay for that

other set to be set up for them.

926

:

So,

927

:

Laura: Yeah, and uh, we're gonna

take it back where we found it

928

:

because, I don't know, maybe

somebody else needs forgiveness.

929

:

Maybe they

930

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

931

:

And someone rolls in immediately,

932

:

Laura: There's like a line,

there's a forgiveness line, but

933

:

it's like on the other side of

the planet, so they don't know

934

:

Xhafer: right.

935

:

it's like, how do you not interact

this like other alien flying down?

936

:

You would have an interaction with

937

:

Laura: Yeah, you would

notice them, at least.

938

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

939

:

You'd be like, oh, hey know that this is

what you're getting into or something.

940

:

There'd be something there.

941

:

It's just fucking weird.

942

:

Laura: know who needs this?

943

:

The lady of the bong water?

944

:

Can you think of a Babylon 5 character

who needs the lady of the bong water?

945

:

Xhafer: I think a few

could use this visit.

946

:

I think this would save us a walkabout.

947

:

Laura: Oh, that's a good point.

948

:

I was thinking of a

certain Centauri emperor.

949

:

Xhafer: Oh, oh Londo.

950

:

This thing could just get

installed at the palace, man.

951

:

Laura: Just needs to sit there, like,

952

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a lot of, a lot of

forgiving needs to be done with Londo.

953

:

Ugh.

954

:

Laura: be so interesting.

955

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

956

:

Anyways Galen gets delivered a

message from the universe to Credits.

957

:

Laura: Yeah.

958

:

Yeah.

959

:

No, before that, Gideon and Matheson

also have a discussion about how they've

960

:

slept well for the first time in years,

961

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

962

:

Laura: which, you know, I'm, I'm glad

to hear and I'm glad there's healing.

963

:

But dudes would rather dig up an

ancient crystal ball than go to therapy.

964

:

Xhafer: Just get you some CBD tea, brah.

965

:

It helps.

966

:

Trust.

967

:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

968

:

Laura: Yeah,

969

:

Xhafer: God, I just turned my

boss onto that and he's sleeping

970

:

well for the first time in

971

:

Laura: hey, good for him.

972

:

I could not sleep last night, but

I think it was, I had a migraine

973

:

day yesterday and wound up taking,

in addition to my regular medicine,

974

:

some Excedrin migraine in the

afternoon, which contains caffeine.

975

:

So

976

:

I think that that was

actually keeping me up.

977

:

Oh well,

978

:

Xhafer: That'll do

979

:

Laura: I'm going to need

some more CBD tea though.

980

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

981

:

I got to get you some CBD tea.

982

:

Do you have the link?

983

:

I'll send it to you.

984

:

Laura: Oh yeah, send me that one.

985

:

I've tried the

986

:

Harney and Sons CBD tea.

987

:

It's very good.

988

:

Xhafer: Yeah, no, it's the same

989

:

Laura: Oh, it is the same one?

990

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

991

:

Yeah.

992

:

It's Harney and Sons.

993

:

Uh, I, I usually drink the chamomile mint.

994

:

Laura: Uh huh.

995

:

Xhafer: Which is the 16 milligram.

996

:

They had a 12 for a while,

but I think they, I dunno.

997

:

I'm on the 16 now.

998

:

I got the 24.

999

:

Maybe it was even, maybe

it was more than that once.

:

00:42:52,966 --> 00:42:55,426

And that shit just knocked me out.

:

00:42:55,486 --> 00:42:56,776

I was done,

:

00:42:57,036 --> 00:42:57,536

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:42:57,716 --> 00:42:58,646

No, I liked it.

:

00:42:58,646 --> 00:42:59,476

I just need to get more.

:

00:42:59,904 --> 00:43:00,144

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:05,014

Laura: Yeah, so the message from the

universe, it says, Galen, my love.

:

00:43:05,354 --> 00:43:07,244

Or just Galen, love, I think.

:

00:43:07,924 --> 00:43:10,924

And they can't figure

out where it came from.

:

00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:12,174

Xhafer: Mm

:

00:43:13,229 --> 00:43:17,309

Laura: He wads it up and tosses

it on the floor to take credits.

:

00:43:18,254 --> 00:43:18,674

Xhafer: yep.

:

00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:20,269

Laura: Okay.

:

00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:22,216

Yeah.

:

00:43:22,538 --> 00:43:23,408

Xhafer: Therapy bra.

:

00:43:25,533 --> 00:43:28,683

Laura: So, Ja'far, how many

of your main guns are firing?

:

00:43:31,499 --> 00:43:37,119

Xhafer: one main gun fires for

Matheson seen in the Psycorps.

:

00:43:37,434 --> 00:43:37,934

Laura: Uh Huh.

:

00:43:39,024 --> 00:43:39,404

Yeah.

:

00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:40,229

Xhafer: it.

:

00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:40,551

Laura: Uh

:

00:43:40,551 --> 00:43:40,851

Huh.

:

00:43:41,468 --> 00:43:45,928

I didn't hate Gideon's either, except

that because we went with the apocalypse

:

00:43:45,928 --> 00:43:47,438

box, like tagging it in there,

:

00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:48,573

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:43:48,588 --> 00:43:49,708

Laura: it went on too long.

:

00:43:50,304 --> 00:43:52,814

Xhafer: I don't really, I mean, I

guess the order we're watching it

:

00:43:52,854 --> 00:43:55,694

in doesn't really fucking impact

this, but I feel like we've seen him

:

00:43:55,694 --> 00:43:57,644

floating in space like four times now.

:

00:43:57,869 --> 00:43:58,389

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:58,549 --> 00:43:58,819

Yeah.

:

00:43:59,279 --> 00:43:59,539

We've,

:

00:43:59,754 --> 00:44:00,854

Xhafer: It's just like, we, we

:

00:44:00,909 --> 00:44:01,149

Laura: it.

:

00:44:02,059 --> 00:44:02,289

Yeah.

:

00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:02,639

Yeah.

:

00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:03,858

Yeah.

:

00:44:04,949 --> 00:44:08,419

Yeah, it's kind of like, um, how

we kind of hammered in a little

:

00:44:08,419 --> 00:44:10,869

bit Sinclair's, like, abduction

:

00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:12,759

from the Midnight on the Firing Line.

:

00:44:13,354 --> 00:44:15,954

Xhafer: Yeah, except there's

no fucking mystery here.

:

00:44:16,641 --> 00:44:22,041

Like there's not, you know, surprise

Valen hanging out behind this, this story.

:

00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:24,171

It's I picked the dude up

:

00:44:24,748 --> 00:44:25,118

Laura: Uh Huh.

:

00:44:26,003 --> 00:44:27,843

Xhafer: also question.

:

00:44:28,593 --> 00:44:33,333

If he had the apocalypse box or

no, he would've gotten it after.

:

00:44:33,513 --> 00:44:33,863

Okay.

:

00:44:34,003 --> 00:44:34,683

He would've gotten it after.

:

00:44:34,748 --> 00:44:36,778

Laura: When did he get

the Apocalypse Box, we

:

00:44:37,023 --> 00:44:39,353

Xhafer: He, he got it

after the ship blew up.

:

00:44:39,768 --> 00:44:40,398

Laura: Yes.

:

00:44:40,578 --> 00:44:42,448

Xhafer: I'm just like, how did

it survive the shit blowing?

:

00:44:42,448 --> 00:44:44,668

You know, no, they tell

us it's after I'm just

:

00:44:45,638 --> 00:44:49,478

Laura: Did he have it when the

Drak Plague was released on Earth?

:

00:44:49,945 --> 00:44:50,575

Xhafer: He would have.

:

00:44:50,695 --> 00:44:51,745

Laura: Yeah, he would have had it.

:

00:44:51,765 --> 00:44:54,045

And the box is supposed

to tell the future, right?

:

00:44:54,598 --> 00:44:56,908

And the box just was like, Nah.

:

00:44:56,908 --> 00:45:01,058

Laughter

:

00:45:01,358 --> 00:45:04,638

Xhafer: I mean, he wasn't assigned

to any, he was in deep space then.

:

00:45:04,638 --> 00:45:05,408

So who knows?

:

00:45:06,368 --> 00:45:07,928

He may not have been

able to do shit about it.

:

00:45:07,928 --> 00:45:09,868

The box maybe didn't

want to do shit about it.

:

00:45:10,898 --> 00:45:12,198

Laura: I don't like the box.

:

00:45:13,151 --> 00:45:14,471

The box is bad.

:

00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:17,731

I mean, I think the box is hysterical.

:

00:45:17,791 --> 00:45:19,601

Let me clarify.

:

00:45:19,751 --> 00:45:21,811

But the box is a bad person.

:

00:45:23,151 --> 00:45:23,431

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:45:24,201 --> 00:45:25,271

Laura: Yeah, so I'm with you.

:

00:45:25,271 --> 00:45:29,111

I'm like one main gun because

I've been like itching for

:

00:45:29,111 --> 00:45:30,651

some more about telepaths.

:

00:45:30,911 --> 00:45:32,361

And I finally got it.

:

00:45:32,891 --> 00:45:33,631

Xhafer: It's still a little bit.

:

00:45:34,511 --> 00:45:34,881

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:45:35,591 --> 00:45:35,911

But.

:

00:45:36,891 --> 00:45:39,181

I didn't need the Galen thing at all.

:

00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:41,741

It wasn't interesting for me.

:

00:45:42,467 --> 00:45:45,807

Xhafer: well, hopefully this

next episode is interesting.

:

00:45:46,107 --> 00:45:46,827

Laura: Hopefully.

:

00:45:46,887 --> 00:45:47,697

Tell me about it.

:

00:45:48,397 --> 00:45:52,537

Xhafer: We've got episode

six ruling from the tomb.

:

00:45:53,257 --> 00:46:00,287

Gideon and Lockley must prevent a

doomsday cult from killing everyone

:

00:46:00,297 --> 00:46:02,977

at a virus conference on Mars.

:

00:46:06,227 --> 00:46:08,097

Laura: so we're gonna get

some more pandemic weirdos?

:

00:46:09,157 --> 00:46:09,747

Xhafer: Probably.

:

00:46:09,837 --> 00:46:12,337

Laura: mean, that's one complaint

I've had is that there have

:

00:46:12,337 --> 00:46:14,037

not been nearly enough weirdos.

:

00:46:16,022 --> 00:46:19,522

Xhafer: We know there's going to be a

lot of weirdos when a pandemic hits.

:

00:46:19,597 --> 00:46:20,607

Laura: Now we know.

:

00:46:22,042 --> 00:46:23,682

Xhafer: Just how many will show up.

:

00:46:24,997 --> 00:46:25,637

Laura: All right.

:

00:46:25,677 --> 00:46:26,957

It's time, I guess.

:

00:46:27,436 --> 00:46:29,576

Xhafer: yeah, just like

it's time to say thank you.

:

00:46:30,216 --> 00:46:32,696

Thank you, Jeremy Siegel

for our lovely theme music.

:

00:46:32,696 --> 00:46:33,666

We appreciate you.

:

00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:36,396

We appreciate everything you do

and we appreciate your music.

:

00:46:36,756 --> 00:46:38,856

You can find more of

it at Jeremy Siegel 42.

:

00:46:38,906 --> 00:46:39,526

bandcam.

:

00:46:39,566 --> 00:46:42,376

com or on streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

:

00:46:42,531 --> 00:46:44,871

Laura: And thank you to

angryducktimemachine on Instagram

:

00:46:44,881 --> 00:46:46,031

for our podcast artwork.

:

00:46:46,931 --> 00:46:49,041

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing the podcast and

:

00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:50,291

making sure it gets out on time.

:

00:46:50,791 --> 00:46:52,051

Appreciate the hell out of you.

:

00:46:52,321 --> 00:46:52,871

Laura: Sure do.

:

00:46:53,381 --> 00:46:55,771

And thank you to you, the

listener, for being here with us.

:

00:46:55,781 --> 00:46:57,961

It's been another episode of Crusade.

:

00:46:57,971 --> 00:46:59,371

I hope you had a good time.

:

00:47:00,271 --> 00:47:06,161

Xhafer: I hope that this episode of our

podcast was better than that episode of

:

00:47:06,611 --> 00:47:08,391

Laura: I mean, the bar is so low.

:

00:47:08,391 --> 00:47:11,851

You gotta hope that we're

like, just flying over it.

:

00:47:11,851 --> 00:47:13,031

Yeah.

:

00:47:15,786 --> 00:47:20,526

And if you want to tell us about it, you

can email us at whoareyoub5 at gmail.

:

00:47:20,526 --> 00:47:22,926

com, or you can join us in the discord.

:

00:47:23,347 --> 00:47:23,657

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:25,247

And we'll see you next week, internet.

:

00:47:25,542 --> 00:47:26,072

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.