S2E21 - Some Light Zapping

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Hey listener just a quick content warning.

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This episode of Babylon five deals with torture abuse and abuse of power dynamics.

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So if that is something that is going to.

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Not make you feel good, listening to a podcast that we hope makes you

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feel good when you listen to it, just go ahead and skip this one.

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We'll be here next week.

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We understand.

Laura: 00:00:58

Hello and welcome to who are you?

Laura: 00:01:01

It's a Babylon five.

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Watch cast by a couple of strangers now, friends.

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Who are continuing to get to know each other over one of their

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favorite shows from their childhood.

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Babylon five.

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I'm Laura.

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And I'm sure a

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fair.

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And today I get to ask your fair.

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Who are you?

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Oh, we haven't done

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this in a

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Oh, and I know, and I should've like, because we get a

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good, like, who are you in this one?

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I should have like, tried to mimic that.

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Oops.

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There's a lot of good who

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are using this

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There really

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So when we launched the segment back in season one, I talked

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a bit about JMS his college years and why he chose this question and it's.

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Significance in the history of psychology and psychiatry.

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I it's one of them and it might be my matter, which I don't know.

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Um, But.

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I am not an expert.

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But This is the episode where that comes

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full swing.

Laura: 00:02:02

It really does.

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Like I was thinking about that story.

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You told us that whole time during, during the big scenes,

Xhafer: 00:02:09

And actually.

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When I read when I did the research, initially I read that story when we

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just talked about the segment and the importance of that question.

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That story was actually in my season episode

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guide.

Laura: 00:02:21

Oh for this episode.

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For this episode.

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Yeah.

Laura: 00:02:24

Makes sense.

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But who am I?

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Well life's been going through some changes and I'm hitting

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one of those big ones here.

Laura: 00:02:31

Oh boy.

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right now.

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Friday was the last day of me doing my old job at my current employer.

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And Monday is my first day at my new job at my current

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employer.

Laura: 00:02:41

Congrats.

Xhafer: 00:02:42

Thank you.

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Yeah, I'm completely changing divisions and the scope of what I do

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and the people they interact with.

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And it's going to Never completely new thing for me, but a very new

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thing for so I think I've mentioned before I work in information

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technology.

Laura: 00:02:57

Mm.

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And I was a people leader before.

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Between direct and indirect reports I had about 50 people reporting up to me.

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At various levels and points of their career from entry.

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Two.

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People who were effectively going to be my next peer, once someone in my position

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moved away.

Laura: 00:03:17

Yeah, that's a lot of people.

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It's it's a fair bit.

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And I mean, If you look at us operations for my division, it was about 5%.

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Of the company.

Laura: 00:03:27

Yikes.

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which is intimidating.

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It's, it's not a small number and I've been in leadership

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for most of my adult life.

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I have, what are we at right now?

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15 years of leadership experience.

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And I'm, you know, in my late thirties, So I've been doing this most of my career.

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I've been a leader of one variety or another.

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But it's been a big part of my life and my career.

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I find it incredibly rewarding.

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I love.

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Being a leader Not for the normal reasons, but I love helping people grow.

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It's one of the most rewarding things in my life.

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Is to help someone achieve their potential to better themselves.

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To just be the best version of themselves personally, professionally.

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And I take so much joy in that.

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And as a leader, as, especially in my current company, I've probably

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gotten to promote some 20, 25 people over the last three or four years.

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And it's been super rewarding and I really love it.

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I love that part of my job.

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It is easily the best part of my job.

Laura: 00:04:31

But.

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but Um, what I am moving away from is client-facing

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Uh,

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I'm not going to have any direct reports in my new role.

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I'm moving to a team of like four people.

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I'm going to be in Excel, jockey.

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I when I redid my calendar on Friday, handing off things to the person

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who was replacing me, who's also someone that started at the company.

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Entry-level that I've been their boss.

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Literally, since I became a leader at this company, they have reported to

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me Through every stage of their career up through replacing As a middle which

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has been super rewarding as well.

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To just.

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Help him grow.

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But when I handed off all my meetings, I went from eight hours a week without

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meetings to an hour and a half with.

Laura: 00:05:13

Wow.

Xhafer: 00:05:14

Oh, I'm gonna have so much time for activities.

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I'm going to get so much stuff done.

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Um, I'm really looking forward to it.

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Like one of my job duties is I'm going to have a couple of hours each week,

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like six to eight hours each week, a day, basically to just do on what I feel needs

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to get done for the good of the company.

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That's on.

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That's one of my actual like list of job It's just like.

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Oh, it's going to be so good.

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I'm going to get so much done.

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I'm going to get so much good.

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Information out there to people.

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About what we do, how we do it and boys to improve it.

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And I'm really looking forward to.

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Just that kind of grand scope of optimization.

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Is really going to make my brain happy is happen.

Laura: 00:05:59

That's living the dream.

Xhafer: 00:06:01

Yeah.

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So I'm really looking forward to all that.

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I'm looking forward to not getting phone calls about a server

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being down at 10:00 PM anymore.

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That's going to be great.

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I will be choosing my own hours outside of a handful of like, If

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a VP or a C-level or something's like, Hey, I need you on this thing.

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I need you to do this thing.

Laura: 00:06:21

Yeah, of course.

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override, but that's, that's what it would take.

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To change my course now, not anything else.

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So.

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I'm looking forward to sleeping in

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tomorrow.

Laura: 00:06:34

Well, congratulations again.

Xhafer: 00:06:36

Thank Yeah, it's, it's a huge change.

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It's going to be.

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A bit to get used to.

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Um, There will be times where I will be sitting on my hands,

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not knowing what to do without.

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Having that set in front of me, for sure.

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It will take some adjustment.

Laura: 00:06:52

I definitely understand that.

Laura: 00:06:53

Yeah.

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But once we're through that.

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I'm really looking forward to.

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doing doing what I want to do for work.

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It's going to be

Laura: 00:07:03

It will.

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And doing what you want to do and doing what you're chosen to

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do.

Laura: 00:07:08

Yeah, there you go.

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I was

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what this episode's about.

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I was stretching for a segue there you

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did

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I found it.

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I doubt I dug and I found it.

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Um, So we're going to talk about doing what you're destined to

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do with season two, episode 21.

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Comes the inquisitor.

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Um, This episode is a fun tagline, which is the episode.

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That lets me say that Babylon five didn't even jump the shark.

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When Jack the ripper shows up.

Laura: 00:07:32

Yeah, Nope.

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I mean, that's a, it, it's a very nineties thing, right.

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For Jack

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to show up.

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But.

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Did that start here too.

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I feel like it might've, I don't know.

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But you could tell me that it I'm not putting in that legwork.

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I'm just, I'm not I'm not Googling that I'm not interested in spending that time

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to see Jack the ripper media appearances.

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I know that we had time after time in the late eighties.

Laura: 00:07:53

Yeah, right.

Xhafer: 00:07:54

Which I've referenced a number of

Laura: 00:07:56

You have, I

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still

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haven't watched it yet.

Laura: 00:07:58

I'm a bad friend.

Laura: 00:07:59

I'm sorry.

Xhafer: 00:07:59

We have to now that's fine.

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We have to figure out our season three movie break still.

Laura: 00:08:04

Yeah,

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And we also audience listening audience.

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By the time you listen to this episode, We will be preparing slash

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about to record our season to recap.

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So I'm going to say it now.

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I'm gonna say it again.

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At the end of the episode, please send us your thoughts on season two

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of Babylon five so that we can include them as we go overseas and to in.

Xhafer: 00:08:25

Two weeks after this episode

Laura: 00:08:27

Yes.

Laura: 00:08:27

We love to share your thoughts too, and not just talk about

Laura: 00:08:30

our own thoughts all the time.

Xhafer: 00:08:32

Yeah.

Laura: 00:08:33

So get them in there.

Laura: 00:08:34

We'd love to have them.

Laura: 00:08:35

Okay.

Laura: 00:08:35

So this episode opens up with J car sort of proselytizing in

Laura: 00:08:41

the Zocalo about the, how the

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a good word choice.

Laura: 00:08:45

I hope I said it right.

Xhafer: 00:08:47

I literally have, I have like P scribble and then protesting, written

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next to it in my notes because I couldn't find that word and I really wanted it.

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So I'm glad you're

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done.

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You

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got it.

Laura: 00:08:58

I didn't spell it.

Laura: 00:08:59

Right.

Xhafer: 00:09:01

The beauty of radio.

Laura: 00:09:04

So he's a proselytizing in the Zocalo regarding this great threat

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that this entire post to everyone.

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Notably a human stands up and says their beef was with you.

Laura: 00:09:22

Not with us.

Laura: 00:09:23

Get

Xhafer: 00:09:23

Yeah, we're humans.

Xhafer: 00:09:24

We're fine.

Xhafer: 00:09:26

Nah.

Laura: 00:09:27

Like, we're all cool here.

Laura: 00:09:28

And of course Chikara objects to this, but a NARKN objects to his,

Laura: 00:09:32

his basically like public begging is kind of how he sees this.

Laura: 00:09:35

I think.

Laura: 00:09:36

He drags him off

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to a meeting.

Xhafer: 00:09:38

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:09:38

Meanwhile, a dilemma encounters, cos she was like, Hey, we're not

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really sure about the whole EU thing.

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So an inquisitor is coming to make sure if you survive.

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dun.

Xhafer: 00:09:52

dun.

Laura: 00:09:53

Sounds very ominous and she seems a little surprised because no

Laura: 00:09:57

one expects the Orlon inquisition.

Xhafer: 00:10:05

Uh, That is an excellent joke.

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Good job.

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Um, after.

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After theme, we cut to Sheridan's office and Dylan is like, look, I need you to

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let this guy through, but I don't know who it is, what he looks like, what he'll be

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arriving on or any information about him.

Xhafer: 00:10:22

So maybe just like, let everyone through space TSA for awhile.

Xhafer: 00:10:26

Uh, How we know this was made pre nine

Laura: 00:10:29

Yeah, no kidding.

Laura: 00:10:30

I like that she had linear have a little squabble in here about, you

Laura: 00:10:35

She, she characterizes how cost feels as doubting and linear says,

Laura: 00:10:40

no, he just wants confirmation, but I'm I'm team Dolyn on this.

Laura: 00:10:43

I think.

Laura: 00:10:44

Doubting and wanting confirmation are the same thing,

Xhafer: 00:10:49

I mean, they're real close.

Xhafer: 00:10:51

I would say in this regard they are a hundred percent the same thing.

Laura: 00:10:55

Sometimes they just live next door, but today they're in the same house.

Laura: 00:10:59

Right?

Xhafer: 00:10:59

Yeah, a hundred percent.

Xhafer: 00:11:01

They're like when you go to the hotel,

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And there's the two rooms next to each other that have the door you can open

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to kind of make the two rooms, one room.

Xhafer: 00:11:09

That's doubting and wanting confirmation and the doors are open in this scenario.

Laura: 00:11:14

Yes.

Laura: 00:11:15

Agree.

Xhafer: 00:11:16

After this, we get an ultra closeup arm steel that has

Xhafer: 00:11:19

the worst filter on the gram.

Laura: 00:11:22

Oh, my

Laura: 00:11:22

gosh.

Xhafer: 00:11:22

happening here in Chicago has the same amount of neck as the

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criminologist from Rocky horror.

Laura: 00:11:28

And then this arms dealer he looks like, but definitely

Laura: 00:11:31

does not sound like Phil Collins.

Laura: 00:11:37

Is he Doing a voice you think, or is this just

Laura: 00:11:39

his

Laura: 00:11:39

voice?

Laura: 00:11:40

He's gotta be doing it.

Laura: 00:11:42

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:11:43

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:11:44

Anyways, a Dzhokhar's real upset about inflation, but

Xhafer: 00:11:46

buys a bunch of guns anyways.

Xhafer: 00:11:48

Uh, This is a tales all the time.

Xhafer: 00:11:50

And guns.

Laura: 00:11:52

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:11:52

lobby.

Xhafer: 00:11:54

And rush.

Xhafer: 00:11:55

And Hey, that's the first time you thought about rush Limbaugh since he died, which

Xhafer: 00:11:59

just goes to show his actual impact on

Laura: 00:12:04

There it is.

Xhafer: 00:12:06

Got my leftist joke and

Xhafer: 00:12:07

what uh, um,

Laura: 00:12:08

I like that.

Laura: 00:12:09

Dzhokhar points out in this.

Laura: 00:12:11

That these are the weapons we sold you guys.

Laura: 00:12:15

Years ago.

Laura: 00:12:17

And now you're selling them back to us and inflation.

Laura: 00:12:21

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:12:22

I'm a bit aghast at that to be perfectly

Laura: 00:12:26

It seems like these are going to be obsolete, right?

Xhafer: 00:12:29

Well, yes, technologically speaking, I'm sure they're obsolete,

Xhafer: 00:12:32

which is probably why he has

Laura: 00:12:35

Oh,

Laura: 00:12:35

good

Laura: 00:12:35

point.

Xhafer: 00:12:35

But we know Dzhokhar sold these to like earth gov.

Laura: 00:12:40

Oh, yeah.

Xhafer: 00:12:41

And that is not a representative of earth gov in there.

Xhafer: 00:12:45

That is just a shady

Xhafer: 00:12:46

arms dealer.

Xhafer: 00:12:47

So he's like, Hey, I sold your people, these guns, it's all like, yeah.

Xhafer: 00:12:51

Okay.

Xhafer: 00:12:51

You sold the U S military.

Xhafer: 00:12:55

These guns 20 years ago.

Xhafer: 00:12:57

And now I not, the U S military is selling the back to you.

Xhafer: 00:13:01

I can appreciate how you would find the symmetry in that checar.

Xhafer: 00:13:05

But as the arms dealer.

Xhafer: 00:13:07

You have to be mistaken for someone else.

Laura: 00:13:09

Yeah, earth gov has kind of turned you away.

Laura: 00:13:12

Dzhokhar.

Laura: 00:13:12

Now you could get stuck with dealing with the shady Phil Collins.

Xhafer: 00:13:18

Uh, Meanwhile, Alon ship jumps to B five and Sheraton goes

Xhafer: 00:13:22

to greet the arrival at space TSA.

Xhafer: 00:13:25

To his surprise.

Xhafer: 00:13:27

It's a human in a top

Xhafer: 00:13:28

hat.

Laura: 00:13:29

I

Laura: 00:13:29

called him

Laura: 00:13:29

a Moriarty clone.

Laura: 00:13:32

He looks like a little more.

Laura: 00:13:33

He already doesn't.

Laura: 00:13:34

He like.

Laura: 00:13:35

We've got big vibes.

Laura: 00:13:37

So Sheridan tries to get, you know, this Moriarty to tell How he knows

Xhafer: 00:13:43

Yeah.

Laura: 00:13:43

and he

Xhafer: 00:13:44

preacher Rick a tour.

Laura: 00:13:45

Yeah.

Laura: 00:13:46

Preacher, Rick, you don't have to give me that reference.

Xhafer: 00:13:49

Oh, that is.

Xhafer: 00:13:52

So at the college I went to.

Xhafer: 00:13:55

There was a guy who would show up on campus and his name was preacher Rick,

Xhafer: 00:13:58

and he would just, everyone was a center.

Xhafer: 00:14:01

Everyone was just straight

Xhafer: 00:14:03

up.

Xhafer: 00:14:03

Just Southern Baptist style.

Xhafer: 00:14:05

Like.

Xhafer: 00:14:06

Just yelling at everyone.

Xhafer: 00:14:08

Everyone was a and going to hell.

Xhafer: 00:14:12

Uh, If he, if he didn't personally know you.

Xhafer: 00:14:15

It felt like.

Xhafer: 00:14:15

So, yeah, that that's preacher Rick, and this

Xhafer: 00:14:17

is,

Laura: 00:14:18

He's got the

Laura: 00:14:18

vibes down for that.

Xhafer: 00:14:20

So.

Laura: 00:14:21

Yeah.

Laura: 00:14:21

Yeah.

Laura: 00:14:22

This guy is super judgy.

Laura: 00:14:23

Like they step into the Zocalo and he's, you know, kind of ranting to

Laura: 00:14:28

share it in about immorality and chaos are eternal in the human race.

Laura: 00:14:32

We find out he hasn't been on earth for a long time.

Laura: 00:14:34

1886, I think is when he said he left.

Xhafer: 00:14:38

Yep.

Xhafer: 00:14:39

Uh, Yeah, he's from London.

Xhafer: 00:14:40

In the late 18 hundreds.

Xhafer: 00:14:42

And he's just like, Sheridan's like, Hey, can you cut the cryptic bullshit?

Xhafer: 00:14:47

And they agreed.

Xhafer: 00:14:48

Drop kayfabe.

Xhafer: 00:14:49

And he's just like, look.

Xhafer: 00:14:51

The found me, they showed me the truth.

Xhafer: 00:14:54

It's more than most minds can comprehend.

Xhafer: 00:14:56

Right.

Xhafer: 00:14:58

And he's all like, so you seen what the look like?

Xhafer: 00:15:02

Hm.

Xhafer: 00:15:03

Wonder why that got dropped in there.

Xhafer: 00:15:04

That couldn't possibly be something timely to remind us

Xhafer: 00:15:07

of being a plot point for next

Xhafer: 00:15:08

episode.

Laura: 00:15:10

And it's not something we've been talking about since like the pilot, right?

Laura: 00:15:13

That no one knows what were loans look like.

Xhafer: 00:15:16

It hasn't been brought up in

Xhafer: 00:15:17

a while and

Xhafer: 00:15:18

I

Laura: 00:15:18

So we had to bring it up here.

Xhafer: 00:15:20

we had to bring it up here.

Xhafer: 00:15:22

Cause you got to tilt your cards a little forward before you play them.

Xhafer: 00:15:26

When you Joe Michael Stravinsky.

Laura: 00:15:28

Yeah.

Laura: 00:15:29

So he seen the four lawns.

Laura: 00:15:32

He's basically their servant now.

Laura: 00:15:34

Right?

Laura: 00:15:34

He seems like he only And you won't really say much else about

Laura: 00:15:39

why he's here, what he's going to

Xhafer: 00:15:41

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:15:41

Garibaldi corners, Dakar.

Xhafer: 00:15:43

Who's like, you already know, like what, what, what are you doing here?

Xhafer: 00:15:48

And Alfredo.

Xhafer: 00:15:49

doesn't care about the weapons deal so much as the weapons themselves.

Xhafer: 00:15:52

He doesn't want them to pass through.

Laura: 00:15:54

Fair.

Xhafer: 00:15:55

Yeah, he gives Jakarta data crystal that will let him contact a

Xhafer: 00:15:58

smuggler who was Garibaldi, a favor that will help the non-free a charge.

Xhafer: 00:16:03

when Dzhokhar asks Garibaldi, why he does this.

Xhafer: 00:16:06

He says because he didn't lie to him.

Laura: 00:16:09

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:16:09

then he notes that he likes to leave a little

Xhafer: 00:16:12

room for people to disappoint

Xhafer: 00:16:13

him.

Laura: 00:16:14

Yeah, but I feel like Dzhokhar and Garibaldi really like turn a

Laura: 00:16:18

quarter in their relationship here.

Laura: 00:16:20

I don't think they've had.

Laura: 00:16:22

Much of a relationship and because when Garibaldi confronted

Laura: 00:16:26

him, Dakar said, yeah, I did.

Laura: 00:16:28

I did the thing.

Laura: 00:16:30

And he agrees that no weapons should not come through this station.

Laura: 00:16:35

Garibaldi says, all right, you're cool.

Laura: 00:16:37

We can be cool.

Xhafer: 00:16:38

This scene feels a lot like an interaction that Garibaldi would

Xhafer: 00:16:43

have with Alondo in the middle of

Xhafer: 00:16:44

season one.

Laura: 00:16:45

Doesn't it.

Laura: 00:16:46

I've thought the same thing.

Laura: 00:16:47

I thought this is how they were once.

Laura: 00:16:51

But.

Xhafer: 00:16:52

No

Laura: 00:16:52

No more.

Xhafer: 00:16:53

Dylan goes to gray, 19 to meet Sebastian.

Xhafer: 00:16:57

And a gray sector is creepy.

Xhafer: 00:16:58

Y'all.

Laura: 00:16:59

Yeah.

Laura: 00:17:00

Great.

Laura: 00:17:00

Sector's creepy.

Laura: 00:17:01

And they had some very like, Gray council beams of light on the floor.

Laura: 00:17:05

Did you notice this when she walks

Laura: 00:17:07

in?

Xhafer: 00:17:07

did.

Xhafer: 00:17:07

It was very reminiscent of the great council chambers.

Xhafer: 00:17:11

Right down to the amount of fog machines that can explain how spirit Halloween

Xhafer: 00:17:15

can afford all that storefront.

Laura: 00:17:18

We went to spirit Halloween this weekend.

Xhafer: 00:17:21

Did you.

Xhafer: 00:17:22

It's October.

Xhafer: 00:17:23

So.

Laura: 00:17:24

It's October.

Laura: 00:17:25

That was our October 1st thing.

Xhafer: 00:17:27

I have not thought about Halloween at all.

Laura: 00:17:29

You'll get there.

Xhafer: 00:17:30

We're going as the Phantom of the opera and a chandelier

Xhafer: 00:17:33

as our couple's costume.

Laura: 00:17:35

Who's the chandelier.

Xhafer: 00:17:37

Yeah, the chandelier.

Xhafer: 00:17:38

It's the real love story and Phantom

Xhafer: 00:17:39

of the opera.

Laura: 00:17:40

Yeah, obviously.

Laura: 00:17:42

Her degree.

Laura: 00:17:43

So Sebastian Comes up and confronts Dylan.

Laura: 00:17:47

And he gives her like these pain manacles.

Laura: 00:17:49

That he's going to use for their discussion.

Laura: 00:17:51

And

Xhafer: 00:17:51

Like she can take them off at any time, but if she does shit loses.

Laura: 00:17:56

Yeah.

Laura: 00:17:57

Uh, Then she's not the one, right.

Xhafer: 00:17:59

yeah, some real power Dynamic stuff here.

Xhafer: 00:18:01

And then they do the intro to our podcast.

Xhafer: 00:18:03

But with more electrocution and lemon

Xhafer: 00:18:05

grass,

Xhafer: 00:18:08

same amount of

Xhafer: 00:18:09

SAS.

Laura: 00:18:10

A lot more

Laura: 00:18:10

electrocution.

Xhafer: 00:18:11

A lot more electrocution than we use.

Laura: 00:18:14

The first, like three answers she gives, she gives like her name.

Laura: 00:18:19

She gives a title.

Xhafer: 00:18:21

Yeah.

Laura: 00:18:21

And her familial relationship, and these are all bad answers.

Laura: 00:18:25

These are all

Xhafer: 00:18:25

Yes.

Laura: 00:18:26

don't know if she gets sapped

Xhafer: 00:18:27

we've used.

Xhafer: 00:18:28

It's not good radio Dylan.

Xhafer: 00:18:30

I can tell you that having a bit of experience making radio

Xhafer: 00:18:34

based off the question, who are you, I can tell Boring answers.

Laura: 00:18:41

So those are all bad answers.

Laura: 00:18:43

And I don't know.

Laura: 00:18:44

I don't think he's zapping her yet during these

Laura: 00:18:47

right.

Xhafer: 00:18:47

I think There's There's some light zapping.

Xhafer: 00:18:50

Along with the Ana acceptables.

Laura: 00:18:52

So basically she's giving answers that are.

Laura: 00:18:55

How other people.

Laura: 00:18:57

Relate to her or named her or something.

Laura: 00:19:00

And he wants.

Laura: 00:19:01

To here.

Laura: 00:19:01

Who she is from her own words.

Laura: 00:19:05

So I thought

Laura: 00:19:06

that was interesting.

Xhafer: 00:19:07

He is not convinced that Dylan is a true member of the blues brothers band.

Laura: 00:19:13

Sebastian tells her he's been testing people for

Laura: 00:19:16

years and they've all broken.

Laura: 00:19:18

Their they're all not chosen ones.

Xhafer: 00:19:21

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:19:22

He's he's done this dance a number of times.

Xhafer: 00:19:25

And when he's done being a shitty power tripping, Dom who doesn't

Xhafer: 00:19:28

know what aftercare is to her, she won't think she's special

Xhafer: 00:19:31

either.

Laura: 00:19:32

Yeah.

Laura: 00:19:32

Yeah.

Laura: 00:19:33

He's a very sinister.

Xhafer: 00:19:35

Yes.

Xhafer: 00:19:36

I I mean, you're not supposed to like him.

Xhafer: 00:19:39

He's a shitbag.

Xhafer: 00:19:41

He's literally one of the most famous shitbags in history.

Xhafer: 00:19:44

So.

Xhafer: 00:19:45

Cheers.

Laura: 00:19:46

I realized that we haven't talked about this actor at all.

Laura: 00:19:49

And I feel like we should.

Xhafer: 00:19:51

I have no Notes on this

Xhafer: 00:19:52

actor.

Laura: 00:19:53

I looked him up.

Laura: 00:19:55

Wayne Alexander.

Laura: 00:19:56

Oh, yes.

Laura: 00:19:56

So he's going to be somebody else later as well.

Laura: 00:20:00

won't spoil that for anybody.

Laura: 00:20:02

Uh, what's really disappointing for me about Wayne Alexander.

Laura: 00:20:06

Is that this man is definitely not British.

Laura: 00:20:11

I was very fooled where you fooled.

Xhafer: 00:20:13

Not.

Laura: 00:20:14

No.

Xhafer: 00:20:15

It didn't really sound it's.

Xhafer: 00:20:16

Well, the thing is, is it's supposed to sound old, British.

Xhafer: 00:20:21

And so I guess.

Xhafer: 00:20:23

There it wasn't like, but I've never heard someone from actual

Xhafer: 00:20:28

18 hundreds, London speak.

Laura: 00:20:30

Sure.

Xhafer: 00:20:32

I

Xhafer: 00:20:33

don't know what it's supposed to sound like.

Xhafer: 00:20:34

Yeah.

Laura: 00:20:35

Yeah.

Laura: 00:20:35

Yeah.

Laura: 00:20:36

This man is from San Joaquin valley.

Laura: 00:20:38

Yeah.

Laura: 00:20:41

But he's got one of those faces.

Laura: 00:20:43

That's very long.

Laura: 00:20:45

And.

Laura: 00:20:46

Easily made gaunt with makeup.

Laura: 00:20:50

And it just, you can just play up the sinister so well with him.

Xhafer: 00:20:54

Yep.

Laura: 00:20:55

So we're going to see him again later.

Laura: 00:20:57

We'll point it out when he comes up.

Xhafer: 00:20:59

Uh, we come back.

Xhafer: 00:21:00

To veer.

Xhafer: 00:21:01

Dodging Suntory asking for favors only to be in an awkward elevator ride with your

Xhafer: 00:21:05

car.

Laura: 00:21:06

Oh, yeah, he like ducks.

Laura: 00:21:08

This guy, he like dismisses him.

Laura: 00:21:11

This guy is not getting any favors from Londo.

Xhafer: 00:21:13

Bye.

Laura: 00:21:14

Gets into an elevator, gets a second to breathe.

Laura: 00:21:17

And then whoops.

Laura: 00:21:19

He's alone.

Laura: 00:21:20

Yeah, he's alone in an elevator with J car.

Laura: 00:21:24

The scene really gets me.

Laura: 00:21:25

It could be severe is so sincere.

Laura: 00:21:27

He really.

Laura: 00:21:28

Means it, when he tries to apologize to Dzhokhar.

Xhafer: 00:21:31

And we, as an audience know that because we've seen him encourage

Xhafer: 00:21:35

Alondo to not do these things.

Xhafer: 00:21:37

For two seasons.

Xhafer: 00:21:38

You know, all of the season of Londo being a jackass.

Xhafer: 00:21:41

So we know that veer is earnest when he says, I don't do this stuff.

Xhafer: 00:21:45

And when he apologizes checar for what's happened to his people, he is earnest.

Xhafer: 00:21:50

But your car is not wrong in

Xhafer: 00:21:52

his response.

Laura: 00:21:53

neither.

Laura: 00:21:53

neither.

Laura: 00:21:53

of

Xhafer: 00:21:54

knife.

Laura: 00:21:54

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:21:55

Cuts open his hand and for every drop of blood that spills

Xhafer: 00:21:59

from his hand, he says, dead.

Xhafer: 00:22:01

Dead dead, And he, you know, if your apologizes Jakarta.

Xhafer: 00:22:06

I asked him how he can apologize to the dead.

Xhafer: 00:22:09

Veer says he can't in Dakar says that means he can't forgive.

Laura: 00:22:13

Yeah.

Laura: 00:22:14

The scene is really powerful.

Laura: 00:22:16

Both of these actors did an amazing job.

Xhafer: 00:22:19

the

Xhafer: 00:22:19

scene was great.

Laura: 00:22:20

You can see.

Laura: 00:22:22

Veers frustration with being a nobody.

Laura: 00:22:25

he tried to talk one, two out of it.

Laura: 00:22:26

He really did, but his apology means nothing to Jakarta the

Laura: 00:22:30

fact that he tried to talk him out of, it really means nothing.

Laura: 00:22:33

You're still a bunch of dead people.

Xhafer: 00:22:35

Yeah.

Laura: 00:22:35

You feel for both of them?

Xhafer: 00:22:37

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:22:38

I mean, they shelled the planet for four

Xhafer: 00:22:39

days.

Xhafer: 00:22:40

Like.

Xhafer: 00:22:41

I don't know how anyone is alive.

Xhafer: 00:22:43

Like just that amount of asteroids raining down on a planet.

Xhafer: 00:22:47

Can you imagine?

Laura: 00:22:48

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:22:49

But anyways, back in Babylon fives, worst sex dungeon.

Xhafer: 00:22:52

Sebastian is starting to get a little trigger, happy on the tens unit.

Xhafer: 00:22:56

Well telling Dylan to expect the impossible and then be

Xhafer: 00:22:58

surprised it doesn't happen.

Laura: 00:23:01

Yeah.

Laura: 00:23:01

He's he like mocks her a lot.

Laura: 00:23:04

He wonders.

Laura: 00:23:05

Aloud, whether he's a killer of dreams or a protector of the public.

Laura: 00:23:10

Good.

Laura: 00:23:11

Which I thought was interesting.

Laura: 00:23:12

He seems to.

Laura: 00:23:14

To wonder this without actually questioning it at all.

Xhafer: 00:23:19

Oh, you mean a white dude?

Xhafer: 00:23:20

Who's self-righteous that?

Xhafer: 00:23:21

Doesn't question himself.

Xhafer: 00:23:22

What.

Laura: 00:23:23

I know we've never seen those before.

Xhafer: 00:23:26

Especially, not in 18 hundreds, London.

Laura: 00:23:29

Oh, my God.

Laura: 00:23:30

For real.

Laura: 00:23:33

Oh boy.

Laura: 00:23:35

He asked the third

Laura: 00:23:36

question.

Laura: 00:23:37

Do you remember a third question that we got.

Xhafer: 00:23:39

Where are you

Xhafer: 00:23:40

now?

Xhafer: 00:23:41

That, that

Laura: 00:23:41

you here?

Xhafer: 00:23:41

was lost.

Xhafer: 00:23:42

Okay.

. Laura: 00:23:44

Why are you here?

. Laura: 00:23:46

I thought that was a good one.

. Laura: 00:23:47

And this is where it gets really contentious.

. Laura: 00:23:49

It seems like.

Xhafer: 00:23:50

Well, she acknowledges that she's questioned if she's

Xhafer: 00:23:53

right about her having a destiny.

Xhafer: 00:23:55

Throughout all this, and he's all like, oh, positive reinforcement.

Xhafer: 00:23:59

You get a break for 10 minutes.

Laura: 00:24:03

To like lay on the ground and cry, I guess.

Xhafer: 00:24:07

Yeah, well, whatever you're going to need, he doesn't

Xhafer: 00:24:09

care.

Laura: 00:24:10

Yeah, right.

Xhafer: 00:24:10

He truly doesn't.

Xhafer: 00:24:13

Meanwhile Dzhokhar is dealing with being questioned by some

Xhafer: 00:24:17

rank and file again again, again.

Laura: 00:24:19

Yeah.

Laura: 00:24:20

This time, it's the purple drowsy.

Laura: 00:24:25

Pur purple draws these guns.

Laura: 00:24:27

Undercover.

Laura: 00:24:29

Uh, Questioning Dzhokhar's competence.

Laura: 00:24:31

For the many, many at the time.

Laura: 00:24:34

In a regular Nard meeting Jakarta promises to get a message through to his family.

Laura: 00:24:40

And exchange for them.

Laura: 00:24:42

Yeah, adhering to his leadership.

Laura: 00:24:44

Finally.

Xhafer: 00:24:45

Yeah.

Laura: 00:24:46

for reals.

Laura: 00:24:47

Listen to me this time.

Laura: 00:24:48

You guys, if I can get this thing done.

Xhafer: 00:24:51

We go back to Babylon fives from your golf club, but at

Xhafer: 00:24:54

6:00 AM, as Sebastian tells Dylan.

Xhafer: 00:24:57

That her problem is her ego.

Xhafer: 00:25:00

She counters that he's a weak said, man, who never had the ability or strength.

Xhafer: 00:25:04

Or will to achieve their dreams.

Xhafer: 00:25:06

And so he lashes out at those who dream to convince them and hence

Xhafer: 00:25:11

That he is a failure because no one is able to do what he felt.

Xhafer: 00:25:14

He was promised.

Xhafer: 00:25:16

And pretty much the same story as every alpha bullshit Dom

Xhafer: 00:25:19

I've ever When you question one of these fucks, they just lash

Laura: 00:25:24

Mm.

Laura: 00:25:25

Yeah, he's apps are a bunch.

Laura: 00:25:28

He's absolutely Bunche threatened to stop her heart.

Xhafer: 00:25:32

Yeah.

Laura: 00:25:33

I wonder whose ego is the problem.

Laura: 00:25:35

Really, sir.

Xhafer: 00:25:37

Hmm.

Xhafer: 00:25:38

Hmm.

Laura: 00:25:40

This is very telling.

Xhafer: 00:25:42

Right.

Laura: 00:25:42

Stop telling on yourselves guys.

Xhafer: 00:25:46

They Jakarta goes to Sheridan for help knowing it's in their

Xhafer: 00:25:50

best interest to have him remain in charge of the night on the station.

Xhafer: 00:25:54

And Sheridan decides to send the Rangers in.

Laura: 00:25:57

We're going to get them out on their first mission

Laura: 00:25:59

to be, we won't see it, but

Laura: 00:26:01

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:26:02

They're going to do the thing.

Laura: 00:26:03

We're not going to forget that they're around.

Xhafer: 00:26:06

That's also going to be important for later.

Laura: 00:26:08

So Linear finds Dylan.

Laura: 00:26:10

and is concerned about her health.

Laura: 00:26:12

She's not looking so great, right?

Laura: 00:26:14

She's pretty upset and physically harmed.

Laura: 00:26:17

Sebastian starts to return.

Laura: 00:26:18

We hear that.

Laura: 00:26:19

Tap tap.

Laura: 00:26:21

Top of the cane.

Laura: 00:26:23

Oh, so when you're hurries off and find Sheridan, he begs Sheridan to defy cosh.

Laura: 00:26:29

And go save Dylan because he thinks that she's being killed.

Xhafer: 00:26:33

Now upon viewing this.

Xhafer: 00:26:35

Uh, And not remembering all of the exact details of this interaction.

Xhafer: 00:26:40

I was kind of low key convinced that linear wasn't really there

Xhafer: 00:26:44

and that this was Sebastian.

Xhafer: 00:26:45

Further torturing Dylan with a little bit

Laura: 00:26:49

Oh, I mean, you can read it that way, right?

Xhafer: 00:26:53

Until we see linear go out and actually

Xhafer: 00:26:55

get Sheraton.

Xhafer: 00:26:57

Um, in which case it's probably actually

Laura: 00:27:00

Yeah.

Laura: 00:27:01

I

Laura: 00:27:01

mean, you could, you could say that like he's meddling and

Laura: 00:27:06

trying to get him in there, but,

Xhafer: 00:27:07

Yeah.

Laura: 00:27:08

It does seem like really linear as far as I can tell.

Xhafer: 00:27:12

So Uh, linear goes, gets shared and shared and shows And

Xhafer: 00:27:15

Sebastian's just like fucking, finally, dude, I've been waiting

Xhafer: 00:27:19

Uh, he then ties Sheraton up and starts giving him shit with

Xhafer: 00:27:22

his invisible whip cane part.

Xhafer: 00:27:25

This is a new thing that we only see only Sheridan gets whipped when he's tied

Laura: 00:27:32

And the, the electricity affects across his face are just so convincing.

Xhafer: 00:27:38

Yeah, there's no electricity coming out of the cane.

Xhafer: 00:27:40

We don't see a whip.

Xhafer: 00:27:41

We don't get the like Frankie TNG thing going on.

Xhafer: 00:27:44

We just see a really bad.

Xhafer: 00:27:47

Photoshop, glossy and blur all overshared

Xhafer: 00:27:49

in space.

Xhafer: 00:27:49

A

Laura: 00:27:50

Yeah.

Laura: 00:27:50

Yeah, exactly.

Laura: 00:27:53

Oh, I thought this was interesting.

Laura: 00:27:54

So in here, you know, Sheridan gets to do one of his great go to Hills.

Laura: 00:27:58

Cause I think he tells people to go to hell a lot.

Laura: 00:28:01

I I feel like we get multiple audio clips of shared and

Laura: 00:28:04

telling people to go to hell.

Laura: 00:28:06

We had Garibaldi earlier mentioned to Jakarta, you know, if you bring these

Laura: 00:28:11

weapons here, This place will go to Dzhokhar says we're already in hell.

Laura: 00:28:17

And it's the inquisitor also says, this is hell.

Laura: 00:28:22

It was like very interesting that are there Garibaldi shared in combo both.

Laura: 00:28:27

You know, Don't believe they're in hell or, you know, they make reference to hell

Laura: 00:28:31

and somebody else is like, already here.

Xhafer: 00:28:34

Or ready there Sheridan offers to sacrifice himself, to

Xhafer: 00:28:40

save Dylan and Dylan in turn offers herself as sacrifice to save.

Xhafer: 00:28:44

So Sheridan.

Xhafer: 00:28:45

And Dylan goes on a speech here.

Xhafer: 00:28:46

That's really great.

Xhafer: 00:28:47

There causes life one or a billion.

Xhafer: 00:28:50

She's unafraid of death.

Xhafer: 00:28:51

Her body is just a shell.

Xhafer: 00:28:53

You know, I do this, not for fame, not for glory.

Xhafer: 00:28:58

I do this to save life.

Laura: 00:29:00

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:29:01

And Sebastian is just like, oh, Hey, you said the magic words.

Xhafer: 00:29:05

Torture's over.

Xhafer: 00:29:06

The handcuffs vanish.

Xhafer: 00:29:08

Everyone's instantly freed and he, uh, smoke bombs and that appears at the

Xhafer: 00:29:13

exit.

Laura: 00:29:14

Yeah, you like teleports to the, the big round portal thing.

Laura: 00:29:19

Nice round vault door.

Laura: 00:29:20

Very cool.

Laura: 00:29:21

So yeah, they have a quick

Laura: 00:29:24

And uh, may start to leave.

Laura: 00:29:27

But yeah, Sebastian stops him and he basically says, well, you

Laura: 00:29:30

guys have read John three 16 and uh, you're doing So you passed.

Laura: 00:29:37

I think he quotes it to us

Xhafer: 00:29:38

Yep.

Xhafer: 00:29:38

There are the right ones.

Xhafer: 00:29:39

Don't don't question it.

Xhafer: 00:29:41

You are the right ones

Xhafer: 00:29:43

to lead.

Laura: 00:29:44

The right ones in the right place at the right time.

Laura: 00:29:47

In CNC, Sheridan asks Ivanova to Google Sebastian's name and address.

Xhafer: 00:29:51

get that Wiki

Xhafer: 00:29:52

article.

Laura: 00:29:52

Yeah, get out the Wiki on London in 1886.

Laura: 00:29:59

But we cut to Dzhokhar.

Laura: 00:30:01

And he's showing the purple drowsy the video of his home and family.

Laura: 00:30:05

so he satisfied, he satisfied and grateful

Xhafer: 00:30:08

The nerd on the station.

Xhafer: 00:30:09

One questions, your car for like at least eight episodes now.

Laura: 00:30:13

Right.

Xhafer: 00:30:17

I should've counted how many times?

Xhafer: 00:30:19

I don't know that it actually happens again, but

Laura: 00:30:21

It's happened

Xhafer: 00:30:22

of assume.

Laura: 00:30:23

Yeah.

Laura: 00:30:23

It's a historical precedent at this point.

Laura: 00:30:25

Like.

Xhafer: 00:30:26

On his Sheridan, the confront Sebastian.

Xhafer: 00:30:29

And he's all like, yo.

Xhafer: 00:30:31

So I cross referenced your name and your address and the date that

Xhafer: 00:30:35

you left just happens to be the last day of this murder spree.

Xhafer: 00:30:40

How crazy.

Xhafer: 00:30:42

Is that And he goes on a bit of a rant here, Sebastian.

Xhafer: 00:30:46

He was chosen by God to deliver a message and blood for all the world to see.

Laura: 00:30:52

Mm.

Xhafer: 00:30:53

You know, the John's showed him.

Xhafer: 00:30:55

His message was not heard.

Xhafer: 00:30:57

Is holy crusade fell on deaf ears.

Xhafer: 00:31:00

He's paid penance for 400 years and just wants to die.

Laura: 00:31:03

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:31:04

The only, he, they don't remember his message.

Xhafer: 00:31:07

No one remembers.

Xhafer: 00:31:08

The point.

Xhafer: 00:31:09

They don't even remember Sebastian.

Xhafer: 00:31:10

All they remember is Jack.

Laura: 00:31:12

Yeah.

Laura: 00:31:14

Creepy.

Xhafer: 00:31:16

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:31:17

Who Jack the ripper.

Xhafer: 00:31:19

The

Xhafer: 00:31:21

who are they?

Xhafer: 00:31:22

That they would get these, this guy, right?

Xhafer: 00:31:24

Like who the fuck are the four lines?

Xhafer: 00:31:27

The good guys.

Xhafer: 00:31:28

Right.

Xhafer: 00:31:29

Getting fucking Jack the ripper, like, come on.

Laura: 00:31:33

It should make you wonder, right?

Laura: 00:31:36

I mean.

Xhafer: 00:31:37

to, I mean, that's the goal really?

Xhafer: 00:31:39

You're supposed to question right now.

Xhafer: 00:31:42

Especially knowing what happens next episode, which I won't spoil it for you.

Xhafer: 00:31:47

One episode ahead,

Xhafer: 00:31:48

dear viewer.

Xhafer: 00:31:49

But hoof.

Xhafer: 00:31:51

You get it, you get some borderline stuff.

Xhafer: 00:31:53

Next episode.

Xhafer: 00:31:53

Let me tell you.

Laura: 00:31:56

It's it's gotta be a, a season ender for Babylon five.

Laura: 00:31:59

So we gotta have some big what's big for lawn stuff.

Xhafer: 00:32:02

Vora on stiff.

Xhafer: 00:32:03

Oh

Laura: 00:32:04

Yeah.

Laura: 00:32:05

Yeah.

Laura: 00:32:05

So at least he does wish Sheridan that his choices should have better results.

Laura: 00:32:11

You know Sheridan's choices are.

Laura: 00:32:14

choices.

Xhafer: 00:32:16

Right.

Xhafer: 00:32:16

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:32:16

Like so your holy crusade, I hope it goes better than mine.

Xhafer: 00:32:21

It's all like, well,

Laura: 00:32:23

Well, your holy crusade was murdering prostitutes

Xhafer: 00:32:28

I'm I'm going to fight back literal evil in the galaxies.

Xhafer: 00:32:32

So maybe we don't make that compare a sin.

Laura: 00:32:38

Yeah,

Laura: 00:32:40

Yeah, he's still got a little distorted.

Laura: 00:32:42

Oh man.

Laura: 00:32:44

That's a good question.

Xhafer: 00:32:46

Isn't it though.

Laura: 00:32:50

That's the fourth question.

Laura: 00:32:52

What did you

Laura: 00:32:53

think of this episode?

Laura: 00:32:54

Hmm.

Xhafer: 00:32:55

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:32:56

I mean, we got a scale Babylon, one to five.

Xhafer: 00:32:58

Occasionally fuck this episode.

Laura: 00:33:03

The sixth ranking.

Laura: 00:33:05

I remember being a lot more impressed by this episode when I was younger.

Laura: 00:33:09

Um, I remember thinking the Jack the ripper thing was like, whoa.

Laura: 00:33:14

And now it's just like, oh, everybody's done some kind of device like this,

Laura: 00:33:19

not everybody, but a lot of our beloved series have made some kind

Laura: 00:33:23

of device, not necessarily Jack the ripper a big plot twist reveal with

Laura: 00:33:27

some historical figure or some, or.

Laura: 00:33:30

Something like that.

Laura: 00:33:31

I really don't love the torturey stuff.

Xhafer: 00:33:34

Yeah.

Laura: 00:33:35

I don't love the character.

Laura: 00:33:37

It's not fuck this episode bad me.

Xhafer: 00:33:41

Yes, that's actually, my exact note is Walnut a fuck.

Xhafer: 00:33:45

This episode.

Laura: 00:33:46

Yeah.

Laura: 00:33:47

Yeah.

Laura: 00:33:47

Is this average Babylon five for me?

Laura: 00:33:50

I don't think it's a below average because I think it does serve the story.

Laura: 00:33:54

But I don't think I can give it a four.

Laura: 00:33:57

It's not above

Laura: 00:33:58

average for me.

Laura: 00:34:01

Okay, so you're giving it a four.

Laura: 00:34:02

Do you

Xhafer: 00:34:02

I'm going to give it a four.

Xhafer: 00:34:04

Okay.

Xhafer: 00:34:04

Well, like I said, it's not quite a fuck this episode, but this is probably as

Xhafer: 00:34:09

close as Babylon five gets to a fuck this episode without breaking that boundary

Xhafer: 00:34:14

for me.

Laura: 00:34:15

I can agree with that.

Xhafer: 00:34:16

It's shitty abusive behavior from someone in a forced position of power.

Xhafer: 00:34:22

Which is the exact reason I hate the office.

Laura: 00:34:23

Yeah, I mean, I, I'm never been an office watcher, but I can

Laura: 00:34:27

see what you're talking about.

Laura: 00:34:27

Okay.

Xhafer: 00:34:28

Yeah, I watched W when I got COVID in fall of 2020.

Xhafer: 00:34:33

I binged.

Xhafer: 00:34:34

I was sick for 10 days and I binged the

Xhafer: 00:34:36

office.

Laura: 00:34:36

Huh.

Xhafer: 00:34:37

And I had never watched it before because whenever I'd seen it,

Xhafer: 00:34:40

I'm just like, how is this funny, Michael Scott, the character is.

Xhafer: 00:34:45

So inept as a leader, that it is.

Xhafer: 00:34:49

Abusive.

Xhafer: 00:34:50

Like he's literally terrible.

Xhafer: 00:34:52

Consistently without even realizing And it's, that's not funny.

Xhafer: 00:34:58

That's sad.

Xhafer: 00:34:59

Like it makes me angry as a leader.

Xhafer: 00:35:01

It's like, you're so bad at this job.

Xhafer: 00:35:04

You shouldn't have it.

Xhafer: 00:35:05

You know, it's very Peter And it just drives me mad.

Xhafer: 00:35:08

And so.

Xhafer: 00:35:10

That's why.

Xhafer: 00:35:11

It's almost a fuck this episode for me.

Xhafer: 00:35:14

But it is literally Jack the ripper, like.

Xhafer: 00:35:19

It's not like this is someone that is supposed to be a redeemable character.

Xhafer: 00:35:23

And even, even Sebastian doesn't feel he's a redeemable character.

Xhafer: 00:35:27

He he's paying his pendants for hundreds of years and all he wants.

Xhafer: 00:35:32

Is the release of death.

Xhafer: 00:35:34

He knows he is terrible.

Xhafer: 00:35:36

He.

Xhafer: 00:35:36

Knows he fucked up.

Xhafer: 00:35:37

And he's still terrible and he's still fucking up because that's his role.

Xhafer: 00:35:43

That's what he does for you know, he terrifies people and abuses

Xhafer: 00:35:48

them and is the fucking worst.

Xhafer: 00:35:53

So.

Xhafer: 00:35:54

Because it's that.

Xhafer: 00:35:56

You know, it's not like they had an episode with Hitler where he

Xhafer: 00:35:59

was attempted a redeemable dude.

Xhafer: 00:36:02

Like, that's not what

Xhafer: 00:36:03

this is doing

Xhafer: 00:36:04

at all.

Xhafer: 00:36:05

You know, So it's, it's that for me?

Xhafer: 00:36:08

And so that's why it's not a fuck this episode.

Xhafer: 00:36:10

I think it's good from a character building standpoint Dylan gets the shit

Xhafer: 00:36:15

beat out of her and keep standing up.

Xhafer: 00:36:18

Uh, we get a good developmental moment in the relationship between Sheridan We have

Xhafer: 00:36:23

some excellent stuff with veer in checar.

Laura: 00:36:25

Yes, I do love that.

Laura: 00:36:27

You're right.

Xhafer: 00:36:28

And for that, all that adds up to a four out of five for me.

Xhafer: 00:36:31

But only because it's just barely not a fuck this episode.

Laura: 00:36:35

I think I could give it a reluctant for, because while

Laura: 00:36:40

I may not have necessarily liked this episode, I wasn't supposed

Laura: 00:36:44

to like this episode in some ways.

Laura: 00:36:46

As you pointed out and.

Laura: 00:36:49

It is effective.

Laura: 00:36:50

It is good.

Laura: 00:36:52

So that's, that's my reluctant for, I admit that it's I

Laura: 00:36:56

just don't like Jack, the ripper.

Xhafer: 00:36:59

Yeah, nor should you.

Xhafer: 00:37:01

It'd

Laura: 00:37:02

Yeah.

Xhafer: 00:37:02

that guy.

Xhafer: 00:37:03

Anyways.

Xhafer: 00:37:04

Next episode is our season two finale listener.

Laura: 00:37:09

I'm

Xhafer: 00:37:09

We have season two episode 22, the fall of night.

Xhafer: 00:37:15

Earth reacts to this and Tori's rapid invasion of several worlds.

Xhafer: 00:37:19

But it is not what Sheridan expected.

Xhafer: 00:37:22

Amazing revelations are made about the shadows and the Salons.

Laura: 00:37:26

For lawn stuff.

Xhafer: 00:37:28

Yeah,

Xhafer: 00:37:29

it's a big episode.

Xhafer: 00:37:30

mean, the finales always

Xhafer: 00:37:31

are.

Laura: 00:37:32

it'll be our last episode with the current theme set up.

Laura: 00:37:36

You know,

Laura: 00:37:36

cause we get different

Xhafer: 00:37:38

every season.

Laura: 00:37:39

Yeah.

Laura: 00:37:40

So enjoy it.

Xhafer: 00:37:42

So.

Laura: 00:37:42

I think season three is my favorite too.

Laura: 00:37:44

It's either three or four.

Laura: 00:37:45

I don't honestly remember, but Oh, I'll let you know

Laura: 00:37:48

when we hit that season three.

Laura: 00:37:49

Episode one, if this was the one I remembered is my favorite.

Xhafer: 00:37:53

Yup.

Xhafer: 00:37:54

And this also means that the episode after next is our season two recap.

Xhafer: 00:37:59

To once again, remind everyone who are you?

Xhafer: 00:38:00

b5@gmail.com.

Xhafer: 00:38:02

Please send us your thoughts on season two.

Xhafer: 00:38:04

Uh, You could shoot them over on the discord.

Xhafer: 00:38:06

You can DM them on Facebook.

Xhafer: 00:38:07

You can send us a Twitter message thing.

Xhafer: 00:38:10

I am very bad at Twitter.

Xhafer: 00:38:12

But it's where the Podcast fam libs.

Xhafer: 00:38:14

So I am struggling through it for y'all.

Laura: 00:38:17

Yeah.

Laura: 00:38:18

We're trying to be better.

Laura: 00:38:19

Twitter people.

Xhafer: 00:38:20

I'm not a good Twitter person.

Xhafer: 00:38:22

Twitter scares me on a level that can only be explained by my

Laura: 00:38:27

Yeah, same.

Laura: 00:38:30

Yeah.

Laura: 00:38:30

So thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

Laura: 00:38:33

For our theme music and thank you to everybody in the discord

Laura: 00:38:35

who was thinking good thoughts for all our friends in Florida.

Laura: 00:38:38

Jeremy Siegel being one of them he's he's there.

Laura: 00:38:40

And as far as we know, all of our friends that are on the discord and.

Laura: 00:38:44

Listening to us from the Florida area are safe and okay.

Laura: 00:38:47

So if you're not, I hope you're getting the help you need as he rebuild.

Laura: 00:38:52

Thank you too.

Laura: 00:38:54

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Laura: 00:38:55

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Xhafer: 00:38:58

And yeah, join that discord.

Xhafer: 00:39:00

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Xhafer: 00:39:01

We'd love to hear from you.

Xhafer: 00:39:02

We'll do a mailbag segment for non season two recap stuff.

Xhafer: 00:39:05

A couple of weeks into season but we're really looking for

Xhafer: 00:39:09

season two feedback right now.

Xhafer: 00:39:10

So send us your thoughts.

Xhafer: 00:39:11

We'd love to hear them and share with our audience.