Episode 131

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Published on:

3rd Jul 2024

A Call To Arms - Candy Kurn (Featuring Victor from Dominion Media TV)

Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer begin their journey into Crusade with a visit from Victor of Dominion Media Television. Laura questions Sheridan's new hairdo. Xhafer reminisces on his industrial-goth phase. Victor pitches a rewrite. Meanwhile, Sheridan and Garibaldi discover a new threat to Earth while testing prototype White Star destroyers in Babylon 5: A Call to Arms.

You can find more of Victor's work at https://www.facebook.com/DominionMediaTV

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Laura:

and welcome to Who Are You?

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It's the Babylon 5 Watchcast by

a couple of former strangers, now

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friends, who are still getting to know

each other over one of their favorite

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shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: I'm Jaffer.

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Laura: and today we have a special guest.

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Victor: Uh,

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Hey everyone, this is Victor from

Dominion Media Television and also

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co host of Last Time On, the best

podcast out there on the Wa hop on

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hair network that uh, non sequentially

watches TV shows, so you don't have to.

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Laura: But, but you can't even

say that anymore because there's

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also gonna be cool girls.

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Xhafer: soon, but not

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Laura: Soon, but not yet.

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So, for now, last time

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Victor: now, yes it is.

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Laura: The best.

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But coming soon, Cool Girls Don't

Look at Explosions, another podcast

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watching TV non sequentially.

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Victor: format of of last time on.

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Brilliant idea, Ja'far, this

patent pending technique.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Victor: uh, I'm really looking forward

to hearing, uh, to hearing more of it.

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Laura: Yeah, it's a slightly different

spin over on Cool Girls, and then we've

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also had some technical difficulties

in our starting recording, so a little

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bit delayed, but we'll get there.

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Victor: Same here, we uh, just last

week we recorded our second bonus

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episode of Dungeon Bajoran Workers,

the DS9 watchcast that I'm starting.

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Um, in the vein of Who Are

You, and it's yeah, we had some

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massive technical difficulties.

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But, I, I recently read something about

there was a Apple convention, not Apple

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convention, but one of their, one of

their things Apple does where they get all

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their fuckin fuckin Rich people together

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Victor: have a big circle jerk of

all their investors and everything.

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And one of the things, one of the

presenters mentioned was they brought

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up the statistics of podcasts.

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And something like an overwhelming

majority of podcasts on iTunes, I want

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to say like 80 percent of them just end

after like between 12 and 20 episodes.

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So, the,

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Laura: it, I think.

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Victor: yeah.

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So the thing is, I mean, to just keep

going, man, to just keep, keep crapping

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out content and just keep going.

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And that's what, that's what I feel like

we've got a really good crew over there.

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And honestly I got the benefit of being

adopted into an existing successful

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podcast network with you guys.

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So I feel like we got a lot of

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Xhafer: Successful.

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Victor: Yeah, no, you're still here.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We're still churning.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: it works.

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Victor: survival equals success

in this cutthroat podcast

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industry that we live in, so

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's rough, but you know what?

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Get the technical difficulties

out of the way early and then

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it'll be smooth sailing, right?

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Knock on

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Victor: speaking of technical

difficulties, today we're

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reviewing Call to Arms.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: I I will give a

little spoil y right now.

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This was much better than

I remembered it being.

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Laura: You remembered it being

another Legend of the Rangers.

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Is that what you remembered?

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Xhafer: I remembered it being

in the same breath as Third

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Space and Legend of the Rangers.

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And I think it's definitely

a class above those two.

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Laura: Yeah, I think that's fair.

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Victor: but correct.

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Correct.

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Xhafer: when we're talking Babylon 5.

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Uh, but I do think it clears

it without much trepidation.

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Yeah.

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Victor: This when it

first aired on television.

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I watched it on the premiere day.

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I remember I was on uh,

Christmas break from high school.

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So this aired in 99, so I would have been

Yeah, I would have been 16 at the time

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and I was super excited because I loved

Babylon 5, watched it every every single

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episode as a kid or as many of us as I

could catch And as soon as this ended With

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that big cliffhanger ending that we get I

remember Rushing over to my phone's back

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when we had landlines and I called up my

best friend who still lived in Lockhart

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I'd moved to a different city at that time

and And I called him up because we both

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love Avalon 5, and I called him up, and

typically I wouldn't be able to do this

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because it was super late at night and

past my mother's curfew and everything.

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But I knew he would be awake

because I knew he would be watching

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this, and I was like, DUDE WHAT

THE FUCK DID YOU SEE THAT SHIT?!

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And we were so hyped for what

was gonna come next, and then,

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you know, we got Crusade.

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Laura: Then it was Crusade, yeah.

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Xhafer: I wonder how much the

perception of this movie is colored

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by how poorly received Crusade is.

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Laura: A lot, right?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Because, I mean, this movie

wasn't great, but it was, like, better

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than some of the Star Trek movies.

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Victor: That's for sure.

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I would rather watch

this than Star Trek 5.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Victor: Not the one

with the whales, though.

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The one with the whales, I would

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Xhafer: The one with

the whales is real good.

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I would argue that the one with the

whales is the fourth best Star Trek movie.

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Laura: I would, I would go

with you on that hill, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: can derail this

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Victor: could all give our,

our top 10 lists of Star Trek

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Xhafer: Look, I've, I've proven, you know,

I did Army of Darkness in 30 minutes.

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Like, I'm not worried about

runtime on this podcast.

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If we want to, if we want to talk

our, our top Star Trek films, we can.

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Victor: Well, Wrath of Khan, for

sure, for me, then, if we're,

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if we're going here, then yeah.

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Xhafer: mean, top three,

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Victor: Wrath of Khan,

Undiscovered Country,

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Undiscovered Country is

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the

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Victor: liked Nemesis.

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Screw all the haters.

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I love

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Xhafer: Nemesis.

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is in your top three?

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Victor: it is!

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Xhafer: Have you watched, never mind,

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Victor: You're like, did you

actually watch the movie there?

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Hahaha.

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Laura: I had a theory that all of

the even numbered Star Trek movies

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are the good Star Trek movies, and

then Nemesis was the tenth movie?

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And I was like, eh, I don't know anymore.

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Xhafer: And then they switched

because then we got Star Trek:

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and beyond, both of which were good.

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And that would be 11 was Into

Darkness, which was also bad.

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Laura: Well, you could argue that

that's a different timeline entirely,

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so it doesn't fall into the thing.

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But,

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Victor: I've heard the even

numbered theory before, but also,

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I mean, dude, the search for

Spock was really good, wasn't it?

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I mean,

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Xhafer: Search for Spock

is solid, for sure.

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Victor: mean, we had Christopher

Lloyd as a Klingon man.

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That's

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Xhafer: announced him for STLV

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Laura: Yay.

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Victor: what?

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Xhafer: ago.

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Yeah, Christopher Lloyd's gonna

be at Star Trek Las Vegas.

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Victor: Alright, oh god, if he's

gonna be there, then yeah, I gotta go.

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I gotta go.

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I'm making it happen.

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Somehow.

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I'll sell some meth or something.

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I don't know.

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Laura: Go shameless.

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Go full shameless.

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All right, do we want

to get in this movie?

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Xhafer: Yeah, we should

probably talk about the movie.

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Victor: We, we open

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in,

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Xhafer: lists, I

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Victor: we, we open in media,

media, media, media news.

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Mm

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Laura: you know, news,

news station opening.

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We get the timeline from

that, so that's nice.

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Uh, It's the 5th anniversary

of the Interstellar Alliance,

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Xhafer: it's just,

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it's been four years since season five.

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Victor: And chronologically this, I

mean, I, I listened to on your episode

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covering Legend of the Rangers.

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Apparently Cold Arms takes place

before Legend of the Rangers.

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Xhafer: But Crusade takes place after.

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Because there's a, there's a, there's a

time skip between this movie and Crusade.

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Victor: Wow, that is weird.

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Xhafer: Well, it's to keep

it on the year schedule.

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Right?

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So, Call to Arms aired the

year before Crusade, so it takes

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place in the year before Crusade.

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Laura: It didn't feel like much

of a time skip between this

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movie and Crusade, I'll just say.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: It felt like a week.

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Yeah.

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Victor: yeah, exactly.

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that's

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Laura: Just watch for that

when you start Crusade.

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See if you can figure out what time it is.

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Victor: then again, I guess this is

another just reason Legend of the

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Rangers felt so out of place, you know,

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for many reasons.

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Which, which was already

covered on your episode.

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So listeners, if you haven't listened

to the episode of where they cover

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Legend of the Rangers, go listen to it.

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It's fantastic.

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Xhafer: yeah, no, Legend of the Ragers

has to take place before this, otherwise

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Earth would be in quarantine and they

would have said something about that.

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Victor: Yeah, but, you

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know.

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Xhafer: I mean, expecting continuity

from that movie might be a bit much.

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Laura: Yeah, it'd have to be

several years after, I guess?

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Because the quarantine lasted a while.

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I don't know.

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And it probably told us in

the book, but I don't remember

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how

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Xhafer: Well, also, I think the

quarantine that they reference in the

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Psycore book is also not consistent with

what actually happened with Crusade.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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See, I have enough trouble

keeping up with real history.

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Keeping up with Babylon 5

history is a little beyond me.

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Xhafer: hmm.

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Laura: But we find out many

died in the telepath crisis.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: is, are they referring

to the entire telepath war

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or is it just there was an

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Xhafer: this is, this is

supposed to be post Telepath War.

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Laura: Wow, okay, I thought we were going

to do more telepath warring in Crusade.

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So, big disappoint for me.

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Victor: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Okay, so it's just all off

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Xhafer: for all this stuff.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Because it was off

screen in Bester's books.

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We didn't do this telepath war.

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It's off screen in the movies.

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It's off screen in Crusade.

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Wow, okay, that

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makes me sad.

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Victor: Are you saying the, that

the telepath war takes place

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off screen in the books as well?

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Laura: Yes,

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Victor: What

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Laura: you're going to find

that out in book club next

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week.

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Xhafer: Book

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Club next, Book Club airs in a

couple of days as we're recording

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Victor: That, that is some crap, dude.

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We were promised telepath war.

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We want some war, and

we want some telepaths.

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That is what we are owed.

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Laura: Unless there's some books out

there that we've completely missed, but

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in the bester books, which is where you

would think that would show up, it is not.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Victor: What the shit, man.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Okay, well,

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Xhafer: uh Yeah, so it's the fifth

anniversary of the Alliance D'Len's

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been making a bunch of appearances,

but no one's seen Sheridan.

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And also D'Len's the VP.

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Did I miss that before?

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Yeah,

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Laura: like, they're,

they're just the government.

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So he's the president, she's the

vice president, they're, then they

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flip flop places at some point, and

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Xhafer: I Thought she

was head of the Rangers.

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I didn't think she was

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Laura: I think it's

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Xhafer: Alliance.

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It's both?

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Laura: I think it's like you

get to be head of the Rangers

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and the vice president.

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Xhafer: Like, this is such a bad idea from

a, like, government logistics perspective,

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Laura: for sure, for sure, for sure.

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Uh

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Xhafer: uh, is probably the

inhabitant of the galaxy most

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famous for keeping her cool when

a, like, a loved one dies, right?

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Like, Dukat goes and

she starts genociding.

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Can you imagine what she's going to

do to whoever kills Sheridan when she

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becomes president of the Interstellar

Alliance in the same moment?

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You

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Victor: You also made a mention

on Legend of the Rangers regarding

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where's the gray council at right now?

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Xhafer: Yeah, apparently

leading the Rangers.

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Laura: the VP is too busy being a

VP to lead the Rangers, I guess.

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Maybe that's what's up.

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Victor: Yeah,

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah, so we've got Garibaldi

on a white star for some reason

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rendezvousing with Sheridan, and

presidency has not been kind to him.

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He has such a bad haircut,

I cannot reiterate enough.

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Victor: I like his haircut in this one.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Victor: I, I just think it looks

good comparatively speaking to other.

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Like other movies and TV shows where

they have to age someone up via makeup.

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Laura: Oh yeah, the makeup's not bad.

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Victor: yeah, they did a decent job here.

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You know, it's on, I think

it's on par with, um, Picard

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in All Good Things, personally.

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But, that's my opinion, so.

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Laura: Oh yeah, it's not the

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makeup I have

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Victor: haircut.

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Xhafer: It's the haircut

I've got beef with.

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You could put this man in a brown frock

and he would look like elderly Friartuck.

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Laura: maybe that's

where he got the inspo.

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Okay.

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All right.

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There we go.

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I've canned it.

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Xhafer: but yeah, Garibaldi picks Sheridan

up and they're trying to remain hidden and

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they're like, Oh, nothing could possibly

follow us as we see them get followed

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by the machinations of Technomage Galen.

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Victor: little techno mage probe droid

follows them into hyperspace, which

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is supposed to be impossible, but He

does it anyway because he's a techno

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, he's got a little bit of like

magic creds behind him so we can go, you

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know, shrug and say, okay, seems fine.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Victor: Space magic,

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Laura: Yeah.

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They were talking about there's some

construction job that they've been

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working on, Garibaldi's people, because of

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course,

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Xhafer: Yeah, what's nepotism?

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Hand Garibaldi's megacorp the contract.

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Laura: yeah, exactly.

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They're making some Mimbari and Vorlon

and human technology work together

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and it's not going super great.

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It sounds like.

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Victor: So now, yes, I, I wanted to

bring this up as a question for you guys,

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because I have a question About this, this

new, the White Star Destroyer project.

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I have a question, and I

have an answer as well.

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And I'd like to ask you

guys a question, so.

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Laura: Leading us.

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Victor: new, these new ships that they're

creating, the Excalibur and the Victory,

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which we're about to be introduced to.

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Yeah, they say that they are based on

Mimbari, Vorlon, and human technology.

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Now, guys, what are the humans

bringing to the table here?

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Because,

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because they've got Mambari

technology, which is badass.

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They got Valvorlon technology,

which is really badass.

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And why, why, why bother

with the human stuff?

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what

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what

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Xhafer: So, they actually,

they actually tell us, Vic.

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That the bridge and all the command

consoles are specifically designed to

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match hearth technology for a human crew.

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Victor: Okay.

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But why

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Xhafer: Oh, I didn't say

it was anything worthwhile.

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We just know what they're

bringing to the table.

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It's the operating system.

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It's got Windows 25 or

whatever they're on.

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Laura: yeah, I was just going to say

that they're bringing design to the

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table because we know from Legend of the

Rangers that humans have their famously

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terrible boxy design that everyone hates.

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So, yeah, I don't love

the design here either.

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Victor: so that, okay, so your, your

answer is both of you to kind of tie

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into my theory and support my, my

theory about why humans would need to

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get involved with this project at all.

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I think it's, it's human ingenuity.

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I, I feel like the White Star, you

know, as we know, is the most powerful

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ship created at the time in the

galaxy by the younger races anyway.

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But I feel like, you know, and

that's, the White Star is based

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partially on Vorlon technology and

the Mimbari were able to integrate it.

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Um, I feel like, human, humans have a,

a unique way of thinking in the Babylon

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5 universe compared to the other races.

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Like, I, I'd say like, the human

engineers, the Mimbari engineers got

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together and they were like, Okay, so

how do we make a White Star but bigger?

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And the Mimbari are like, Well,

you can't that we tried it.

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It's unsafe.

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And the humans are like,

we're going to do it anyway.

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And the members would never

think of doing shit like that.

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The members are like pulling their,

their bald hair out, going, they're

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pulling their bones out of their head.

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Be like, what are you guys doing in there?

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Cause we know from experience that human

engineers can think of some crazy shit.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: hmm.

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Victor: that's, my head cannon

backstory about why, why humans

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needed to get involved here

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at all.

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Laura: Yeah.

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How do we make it

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Xhafer: that fits.

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Laura: hit harder?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: been able to unite these

disparate races and bring people together.

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So if you need to unite their

technologies, maybe they don't really

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see the difference in skill there.

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It's all like, okay, well you're

good at making things that shouldn't

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work together, work together.

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So, do that!

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Victor: we're, we're the crazy,

like, little cousin who manages

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to fix shit with duct tape.

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Laura: when we get there,

but let's keep going.

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So, uh, they jump to normal space and

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they see this new prototype destroyer.

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Xhafer: Did you catch

the new hyperspace CGI?

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Victor: Yep.

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Yep, moving forward, this is the

new effect, the updated hyperspace

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vortex effect that we're gonna see.

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It's

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It is such an improvement.

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Not just because it's like, It's not

as like just the cone of hyperspace,

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but if you look real closely right

before a rift opens, you can see space

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kind of ripple and tear itself apart.

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And it's, it's, it's not, it's not,

they don't like beat you over the head

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with it, but it's definitely there.

414

:

And I really dug that effect.

415

:

Victor: Yeah, that's one of the,

that's one of the great, that's

416

:

one of the high points of Call

to Arms here, is that, yeah, it

417

:

introduces some new special effects.

418

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

419

:

It's very smooth.

420

:

Very well done.

421

:

CGI.

422

:

A plus.

423

:

Laura: New CGI, who dis?

424

:

Yeah.

425

:

Xhafer: Sheridan and Garibaldi are

seated on the prototype ISA destroyer

426

:

by Drake the lead designer who famously

lets perfect be the enemy of great.

427

:

Do you guys, do you ever

work with someone like this?

428

:

Victor: yes, all the

429

:

Laura: yeah.

430

:

Sometimes I am this, I try

not to be, but here we are.

431

:

Xhafer: I have interns right now at work.

432

:

Laura: Oh no!

433

:

Victor: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

434

:

Xhafer: and it's, it's been good.

435

:

It's been, it's been rewarding

for me to, like, teach the

436

:

technology and teach stuff.

437

:

And, um, One of them is like very advanced

on a particular type of technology we use.

438

:

And I legit, like the conversation,

first conversation I had with them is

439

:

like, this thing that you built is great.

440

:

It's over engineered to hell.

441

:

You could do this in a third of

the things that you did it with.

442

:

Laura: Yeah.

443

:

Xhafer: Um, you, you, you've

tried too hard for perfection and

444

:

wasted a ton of time to get this.

445

:

That said, what you built is.

446

:

Technically astounding and works

really well and does a bunch of stuff.

447

:

You just put way too much time into it.

448

:

Victor: Hmm.

449

:

Xhafer: That exact sentiment.

450

:

Laura: Yep.

451

:

Been

452

:

there.

453

:

Victor: life.

454

:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

455

:

Now, they, they specifically mentioned

that we have our, or Drake mentions we

456

:

have our first two prototype destroyers.

457

:

Uh, ready for inspection.

458

:

And I thought that was very, even 17 year

old me watching this was like, a ho hum.

459

:

Okay, one of these ships is going

to get blown up by the end of the

460

:

movie, so it's like, it's very

odd to have two ships ready to go.

461

:

I thought that was strange.

462

:

It was kind of like, also, it reminded me

of, um, what was that movie with uh, the

463

:

asteroid and Bruce Willis and Aerosmith?

464

:

Laura: Armageddon.

465

:

Xhafer: impact?

466

:

Armageddon.

467

:

Laura: Yeah.

468

:

Victor: Yeah.

469

:

they had two space shuttle

launches for that movie.

470

:

For the movie.

471

:

I'm like, okay, well, why?

472

:

Well, because one of them

is going to get blown up.

473

:

Obviously.

474

:

Laura: Obviously.

475

:

Yeah.

476

:

Yeah.

477

:

Drake is also, like, very, thankful to

Sheridan for giving a Martian a job.

478

:

So we get some more of that like lore that

Mars is looked upon as less than Earth.

479

:

Victor: Free Mars!

480

:

Xhafer: It is free at this point.

481

:

But yeah, um,

482

:

Laura: it is.

483

:

It is, but still, you know, you

can be free and looked down upon.

484

:

That's happened before.

485

:

Xhafer: Mhmm.

486

:

So they go to take her out

of space dock and fail.

487

:

Sheridan meanwhile uh, gets a

message coming in from Delenn.

488

:

So he goes into the other room

to get very casually brainwashed.

489

:

Victor: Right, Garibaldi gives Drake

the Ivanova rules, a summarized version

490

:

of the Ivanova rules, saying Drake,

shut up and do what I tell you, you

491

:

Laura: Yeah.

492

:

His delivery is not as good.

493

:

Was anybody else super worried?

494

:

When the uh, gibberish started

coming through the TV that we

495

:

had another, like, telepathic

Bester mind wipe situation coming.

496

:

Victor: I felt like that's exactly what it

497

:

Xhafer: How does Garibaldi Of

everyone alive in the galaxy,

498

:

Laura: Uh huh.

499

:

Xhafer: lose his shit when he hears, Oh,

it was gibberish and I walked in here 20

500

:

seconds ago and it's all like, No, dude,

you've been standing here for 30 fucking

501

:

Victor: Mm hmm.

502

:

Laura: Right.

503

:

Garibaldi should lose his mind.

504

:

Xhafer: This is the reddest

of red flags for him.

505

:

Victor: I'm going to say last time

on Bester, Bester programmed him to

506

:

specifically not register things like that

as part of his, his mind control ability.

507

:

That's, that's the only way I

can, you know, make this work.

508

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

509

:

Victor: he still, I guess he still

wouldn't have had Bester's mind

510

:

Xhafer: if, he would have,

if the telepath war is over,

511

:

Victor: And Leta fulfilled her

512

:

Xhafer: Alita would have

fulfilled her promise and he would

513

:

Victor: that's, that's

up in the air, yeah.

514

:

Laura: Yeah.

515

:

He'd be free.

516

:

And he hasn't killed Bester yet

because we have the book club

517

:

coming out that tells us, you know.

518

:

Xhafer: How that goes down.

519

:

Laura: How that goes down.

520

:

Yeah.

521

:

Victor: Well, meanwhile, on Babylon

5 uh, somebody's D& D character

522

:

shows up through customs, so

523

:

Xhafer: I, uh, in my notes

before we got Dina's name, I just

524

:

left a blank space to fill in.

525

:

Like it was a Madlibs.

526

:

Victor: Madlibs.

527

:

Xhafer: GSA and catches

blank Carrying 20 knives

528

:

and a garot wire.

529

:

Laura: it's

530

:

the, classic scene that we got

from when we were recording Post

531

:

Apocalypse Now, Mad Max Beyond

Thunderdome, when we're just pulling

532

:

knives and weapons out of everywhere.

533

:

It's great.

534

:

I

535

:

Victor: yes, that is awesome.

536

:

I wrote that down in my notes.

537

:

She pulls a Mad Max and yeah,

does the extended unloading

538

:

Laura: Yes, I love this trope.

539

:

Give it to me whenever.

540

:

It's fine.

541

:

Xhafer: a

542

:

Victor: trope.

543

:

Xhafer: After this uh, we see Sheridan has

a dream, no, not a dream, a nightmare of

544

:

a planet in flames completely destroyed.

545

:

Galen comes to him in the dream to let

Sheridan know that this was a test,

546

:

and he finds out where this test was

as Galen introduces himself, and then

547

:

peaces as the ship begins moving.

548

:

Victor: there's a, street sign covered

in rubble that just happens to have the

549

:

name of the planet on the street sign.

550

:

Xhafer: Can you imagine just,

like, Earth being on a street sign?

551

:

Just for you, like, just

552

:

Victor: don't want to do that, I

want to go around my neighborhood,

553

:

it's just supposed to be earth,

554

:

Laura: I'm gonna put a big rock in my

yard that just says I'm gonna chisel

555

:

Earth into it so that someday It can

have dust blown over it and someone could

556

:

go, Oh, this, this planet must be Earth.

557

:

Xhafer: Alternatively, can you imagine

if it was like an actual street sign?

558

:

Like if it was exit 69 Big

Beaver Road, which is a famous

559

:

exit that we have over here.

560

:

Victor: is that, is that, that's a

561

:

Xhafer: that?

562

:

Oh that, Google it.

563

:

Google exit 69 Big Beaver Road.

564

:

Make sure road is in there,

otherwise you're probably

565

:

going to get something else.

566

:

Victor: Yeah.

567

:

Nice.

568

:

Xhafer: Heh heh heh heh heh.

569

:

Nice.

570

:

Laura: Yes.

571

:

Xhafer: Um, anyways Drake is

in a spacesuit on the bridge.

572

:

Clearly the threats of Garibaldi were

not were, were taken seriously, rather.

573

:

To make him get out and push.

574

:

Victor: That was a very Garibaldi moment.

575

:

He's like, I was not kidding.

576

:

Xhafer: We cut over to

down below on the station.

577

:

Darina is looking around and gets Scott,

only to have the same vision as Sheridan.

578

:

Victor: Darina gets kicked in the head

and falls into a pile of mattresses.

579

:

So

580

:

Laura: Yeah.

581

:

Victor: Mm

582

:

Laura: She sees Sheridan but he

turns into a drach in her dream.

583

:

And

584

:

then Galen.

585

:

Yeah.

586

:

Yeah.

587

:

Xhafer: He tells her to choose carefully.

588

:

She wakes up surrounded by the

Thieves Guild on Babylon 5.

589

:

But,

590

:

ha ha!

591

:

That was her plan.

592

:

I

593

:

Victor: I, I I don't know

why this was included.

594

:

Like, this, this

595

:

enigmatic leader of the thieves guild

with the Stevie Wonder sunglasses.

596

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

597

:

Victor: and it's just, ugh, why?

598

:

He, he had such a grand

entrance, and it was pointless.

599

:

He, this contributes nothing to the

plot, and he's never seen again.

600

:

I, I don't, I don't think

he ever shows up in Crusade.

601

:

I mean, I guess you guys will

find out on your watch through.

602

:

But yeah, it's like, why?

603

:

Why did they bother with this?

604

:

That's

605

:

Xhafer: They have to establish that

Darina is both smart and also a thief.

606

:

So that way she can have her trustability

questioned by Sheridan later.

607

:

Victor: Ugh,

608

:

Xhafer: So he has to make a decision.

609

:

Ooh.

610

:

That's the only reason for this scene.

611

:

Um, that and to introduce us

to Babylon 5's worst polycule.

612

:

Laura: Ah!

613

:

Oh, yeah.

614

:

Xhafer: It's

615

:

Victor: a thieves guild, a thieves

guild, it's lazy DMing, because

616

:

a thieves guild would not call

themselves the thieves guild.

617

:

It's just, you know, it's

618

:

Laura: Yeah.

619

:

Xhafer: true.

620

:

Victor: no thief, goes around

saying, Hi, I'm a thief.

621

:

You know?

622

:

What the fuck, dude?

623

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

624

:

It's just like, oh, and we

all have the same tattoo, but

625

:

it's still somehow a secret.

626

:

Victor: Right?

627

:

Mm hmm.

628

:

Mm

629

:

Laura: Yeah, they did show her like

looking at certain symbols around

630

:

the station, like looking for them.

631

:

And they all have that

tattoo, too, I think, I don't

632

:

know.

633

:

Xhafer: It's a very D& D thing.

634

:

This is Thieves Camp, so,

635

:

Laura: Yeah.

636

:

so, somehow she gets in their good

graces, I guess, even though they don't,

637

:

they definitely tell us that they don't

recognize her species, her race, so.

638

:

Victor: Because she, she kicks the ass

of one of the goons right in front of

639

:

him, and I meant to look this up before

recording, but the, the goon that she

640

:

beats up that actor looks very familiar.

641

:

I know I've seen him in other things,

and I think he's just like a One of

642

:

those guys who always plays a goon, you

know, one of the henchmen his resume is

643

:

like henchmen for hire for movies Yeah,

I'll have to look it up later, but I

644

:

swear I've seen him I've seen him play

the same role in another movie somewhere

645

:

Laura: So, we cut over to the

weapons demo on the Destroyer.

646

:

They blow up an asteroid, which

was kind of disappointing.

647

:

Xhafer: It was barely more

power than the White Star!

648

:

What the hell!

649

:

Laura: Yeah, this is

650

:

Xhafer: use two White Stars!

651

:

Victor: Exactly.

652

:

Why didn't they just build

more White Stars, honestly?

653

:

I

654

:

Laura: if we shoot it at the highest

power, we're going to have this massive

655

:

power drain where we can't move or

do anything for, is it two minutes?

656

:

Maybe it's one.

657

:

But still, whatever it is, it's way

too long in a space battle, right?

658

:

Like, this is not

659

:

good.

660

:

Victor: I just so badly want to see

someone going down to the breaker

661

:

room to flip the breaker back on

every time they fire their weapons.

662

:

Laura: Like, this seems

like a massive design flaw.

663

:

Like,

664

:

Xhafer: I think the biggest design

flaw is not having a battery backup

665

:

timer that counts the minute down until

they get power back in big red numbers

666

:

right on the bridge so that all the

characters could be staring at it.

667

:

Laura: Like, freaking out.

668

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

669

:

it's just like, uh

670

:

Victor: Huh.

671

:

Well, maybe they do that in Crusade.

672

:

Oh, we'll find out.

673

:

Heh heh.

674

:

Laura: Speaking of freaking out, I

forgot to mention that Sheridan has

675

:

a little, like, mini freak out here.

676

:

He sees Earth instead of asteroids through

the windshield right as they're about to

677

:

fire

678

:

Victor: No!

679

:

No!

680

:

He has a big no.

681

:

He's like, No!

682

:

Xhafer: Speaking of which, the Excalibur

does go full Death Star here, with the

683

:

little lasers forming the big laser.

684

:

Victor: Fuck yeah!

685

:

Heh heh

686

:

Xhafer: coolest thing.

687

:

It makes absolutely no sense.

688

:

Laura: Right.

689

:

Victor: Yeah.

690

:

But, but it, it is similar to,

to what the way the Lon weapons

691

:

worked, um, on their ships.

692

:

So that, that's kind of cool.

693

:

I like, I like that.

694

:

Laura: Yeah.

695

:

So there's a piece that we kept for sure.

696

:

Cause we sure didn't

keep the whole, you know,

697

:

this thing doesn't have the,

698

:

Victor: It has a very human look to

it, to its design, but still I love it.

699

:

I, this is the, the Excalibur is, is

one of my favorite ships in sci-fi ever.

700

:

It just looks fucking cool.

701

:

and, and one thing they do is a big

misstep in this movie here is they don't.

702

:

Really have any shots that really truly

capture the scale of this ship Because

703

:

it's this the Excalibur is supposed to

be one third the length of Babylon 5.

704

:

It's fucking huge.

705

:

So

706

:

Xhafer: shit.

707

:

That's too big to make a ship.

708

:

Victor: Yeah, well, well now the

drach ships are around the same size

709

:

most of the big carrier drach ships

I got a you know, I'll drop that

710

:

in the discord too after the show.

711

:

Xhafer: The

712

:

Victor: I've got a Yeah.

713

:

Yeah.

714

:

cuz I love stuff like that.

715

:

It's a

716

:

Laura: I think they do mention in the

intro to Crusade that it's like a mile

717

:

long or a mile and a half or something.

718

:

Victor: that's something you do see

in Crusade, is along the main body

719

:

of the Excalibur, there's a big, um,

subway that takes you from one of

720

:

the ship to the other, like a maglev.

721

:

So, that's you'll see that a few times.

722

:

Anyway, Sheridan has another vision,

this time he's in Alien Stonehenge.

723

:

Xhafer: Yeah, he's at the gathering

of the Technomages, which is the The

724

:

worst concert I've ever attended.

725

:

Um, Right.

726

:

Real.

727

:

Look, I have done my time in

the goth industrial club scene.

728

:

I was enough of a regular at a

industrial club in Detroit where I

729

:

was recognized by most of the staff

730

:

Victor: Oh my god, I, I want to,

Ja'far, please tell me you have

731

:

some pics of you back in your,

your goth industrial phase, I'll,

732

:

I, want to, I

733

:

want to see you

734

:

Xhafer: suit goth.

735

:

No, no, none of that stuff.

736

:

Not, I mean, not that I've

never worn eye makeup.

737

:

You should see me in mascara.

738

:

But no, I was just like

a shirt and tie goth.

739

:

Like, yeah, it was like black shirt,

black tie, black pants most of the time.

740

:

Victor: Oh, okay, I can see, yeah, I

can see you pulling, yeah, that's a good

741

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

742

:

Thank you.

743

:

Yeah.

744

:

Less gray up top back then too,

this is still all black up here.

745

:

Mostly because I was

dying it at that point,

746

:

but.

747

:

Laura: Yeah.

748

:

No, it could still work with the Grey.

749

:

Absolutely.

750

:

Xhafer: thank you.

751

:

Maybe, maybe gray tie.

752

:

Laura: the Technomages are not

happy with Sheridan being there.

753

:

Or with Galen just, like, fucking

around with any of this at all.

754

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

755

:

Laura: I guess they're in

their, their hiding place.

756

:

Victor: Yeah.

757

:

when last we saw the Technomages,

did they Didn't they say they

758

:

were going beyond the Rim?

759

:

Laura: Yeah, they did.

760

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

761

:

Victor: Okay, yeah, so they're

Presumably, they could be out

762

:

there hanging out with the Vorlons.

763

:

Xhafer: Yeah, well the whole

point was to fuck off so that no

764

:

one could take their technology.

765

:

Yeah.

766

:

Like, they were worried about the shadows

of the Vorlons getting their technology.

767

:

Victor: Mm hmm.

768

:

Ha Ha ha

769

:

ha ha

770

:

Laura: It was like, like, the

Shadows and Borlauns don't

771

:

already have this kind of shit.

772

:

Or were they really worried about,

like, the smaller races squabbling

773

:

over their technology to try

and fight whatever conflicts?

774

:

Yeah.

775

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I imagine, like, the Drak

would see these dudes and be all like,

776

:

So, we're just gonna capture them all.

777

:

Laura: Yeah.

778

:

Yeah.

779

:

Xhafer: And they can make this

780

:

Laura: Yeah.

781

:

Yeah.

782

:

Xhafer: Galen uh, set Sheridan out upon

his quest to find out more about the

783

:

Drakk as they prepare to strike Earth.

784

:

Uh, but he must keep it secret, because

the Drakk have spies everywhere.

785

:

Victor: Yeah, we'll get, we'll

get, we'll get back to that.

786

:

Um,

787

:

also he shows him some, bad CGI

stone faces of the, of the other

788

:

which they, they, I'm sorry, but

these, these faces that Galen

789

:

shows him, they don't look anything

790

:

Laura: Unrecognizable.

791

:

Xhafer: Completely.

792

:

Victor: Yeah,

793

:

it, it, yeah.

794

:

Laura: same song.

795

:

Second verse, doesn't it?

796

:

Xhafer: Right?

797

:

Laura: Like the shadows

had spies everywhere.

798

:

Victor: right.

799

:

Well, I guess the Drak

were the spies, maybe?

800

:

And, they, because I'm guessing it's,

they have a bunch of those little keeper

801

:

things on, attached to the shoulders

of, of people everywhere, and again, we

802

:

wouldn't know because they're invisible.

803

:

Laura: Yeah.

804

:

That's part of how the

shadows had spies everywhere.

805

:

Sure.

806

:

Victor: Mm hmm.

807

:

Xhafer: Anyways, Sheridan wakes up from

this vision in the captain's chair.

808

:

Man, wouldn't you feel really bad

about having a leader just falling

809

:

asleep on the job all the time?

810

:

Laura: Hmm.

811

:

Xhafer: Wouldn't that bother you?

812

:

Victor: Oh, stop.

813

:

God.

814

:

So Sheridan is drawing.

815

:

He's sitting in the captain's

chair, sketching pictures

816

:

of the faces that he saw.

817

:

Laura: After he's been sleeping, yeah,

818

:

Victor: yeah.

819

:

And, once again, I'm pretty sure I've said

this on both of the other episodes I guess

820

:

hosted on WhoRU and I'm gonna fuckin say

it again, Where do you get paper in space?

821

:

He's sitting there drawing fuckin

paper and he has a whole sketchpad

822

:

with a, with a, with like a

crayon uh, uh, charcoal pencil.

823

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

824

:

And you know that's leaving, like,

charcoal dust everywhere, and you're in

825

:

a super sealed environment, like, you

can't use that stuff in space, guys!

826

:

Laura: Maybe it's all reclaimed

uh, USA, no, not USA Today.

827

:

What is it?

828

:

Earth Today?

829

:

Victor: Yeah, the recycled Newspapers?

830

:

yeah.

831

:

Laura: Maybe it's all reclaimed

and we make new paper.

832

:

Yeah.

833

:

Victor: on, man.

834

:

They couldn't've given him a

little fake iPad to draw this on?

835

:

I got Ahhh!

836

:

Ahhh!

837

:

Paper in space makes no sense.

838

:

Ok.

839

:

Xhafer: We cut over to

captain Anderson here

840

:

played by the legendary Tony fucking Todd.

841

:

Victor: He was a candy man.

842

:

He was Kern.

843

:

It's Candy Kern!

844

:

Ah!

845

:

Laura: we start assembling the crew,

you know, that's got to do this

846

:

thing and it becomes clear, oh, some

of them are going on to crusade.

847

:

We don't get Tony Todd in crusade.

848

:

Like

849

:

Victor: part of my, that's

part of my notes later.

850

:

Like in, in a perfect world where,

where Victor in an alternate universe.

851

:

Was the producer, executive

producer of Babylon 5.

852

:

I would've made Tony Todd the

fucking captain of Crusade.

853

:

Laura: How

854

:

Victor: been so cool.

855

:

Ah,

856

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

857

:

He abruptly sets course for Babylon 5.

858

:

The White Star arrives

and Lockley greets them.

859

:

And we get some, some notes from

Sheridan on tracking down the others.

860

:

Darina sees security looking for

her and runs for it, but is caught.

861

:

And then we get a little bit

of Darina's background here.

862

:

We learn she is from Xander Prime,

a world the Shadows destroyed

863

:

during the end of the war.

864

:

Anderson arrives and

uh, FaceTimes Sheridan.

865

:

Adrena comes in and attacks Sheridan

866

:

Victor: Yeah.

867

:

That was a very nice overacting.

868

:

Where Doreena just charges

Sheridan and tackles him.

869

:

Like AHHHHH!

870

:

Laura: You got to pick

the right target, Doreena.

871

:

This is the wrong target.

872

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

873

:

Victor: And as Lockley and Sheridan are

discussing this uh, they get a picture

874

:

of her, they talk about her, and Sheridan

has such a weird line where they mention

875

:

that security picks her up and she has

the belongings and wallets and credits

876

:

or whatever of like 20 different people.

877

:

Sheridan has a very weird line where

he says oh, she's a good thief.

878

:

Like, that just seems so

out of character for him.

879

:

But I mean, I understand

it's meant to establish that.

880

:

Darina is a good thief, but I

really feel like Zack should

881

:

have been here in this scene

882

:

giving a security debriefing.

883

:

Yeah, he's the one who should have

said She's obviously a professional or

884

:

something that matter but this this The

the dialogue here is absolutely terrible

885

:

Laura: The other piece of dialogue

that I caught here that I did not

886

:

like was Sheridan playing absolutely

dumb about why she would be pissed

887

:

at him for the destruction of her

888

:

Victor: Right

889

:

Xhafer: Riiiight.

890

:

I've forgiven myself for this thing,

so you must have forgiven me for it.

891

:

A plus, that's how that works.

892

:

Men would literally rather become

president of the Interstellar

893

:

Alliance than go to therapy.

894

:

Laura: yup,

895

:

uh,

896

:

Xhafer: Uh,

897

:

We get a scene right after this with

Lockley and Garibaldi talking about

898

:

how batshit Sheridan's being right now.

899

:

I love this scene.

900

:

This is like one of the best

scenes in this movie to me.

901

:

Because it really sees that the

bridge that they built in Season

902

:

5 between the two of them is still

there, and that they will bond over

903

:

John Sheridan's whack ass bullshit

904

:

the

905

:

Laura: Uh huh.

906

:

Victor: ha!

907

:

Nice.

908

:

Laura: I love how Lockley

is always incredulous with

909

:

like, Oh god, this shit again?

910

:

Whenever people show up it's like,

Yes, Lockley, I get you, girl.

911

:

Xhafer: heh

912

:

heh heh.

913

:

Laura: Yeah, they try to call

Sheridan and get his voicemail,

914

:

which is also pretty funny.

915

:

That's a good scene.

916

:

Xhafer: Before that, Sheridan

convinces Doreena To aim her

917

:

revenge at the Drak and help them.

918

:

And then they hastily leave.

919

:

They haven't, there's a

Drazi they haven't met yet.

920

:

Victor: Mm

921

:

hmm.

922

:

They're like, yeah,

923

:

We

924

:

Xhafer: head out.

925

:

Victor: for him to get here.

926

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

927

:

Victor: And they leave on

board the How's it, the Hermes?

928

:

Was the name of Anderson's ship?

929

:

Xhafer: I just wrote

Earth Force Destroyer.

930

:

I didn't

931

:

write the name of

932

:

the

933

:

Victor: of it.

934

:

Damn it.

935

:

Uh, but I thought it was, I took note

that I thought it was funny that uh,

936

:

Sheridan takes Tony Todd's chair.

937

:

Laura: Yes!

938

:

Victor: He grabs his fucking

captain's chair, man.

939

:

I'm like, dude, what the hell?

940

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

941

:

I was like, you are not in

his chain of command, sir.

942

:

Like, do you deserve the captain's chair?

943

:

fuck?

944

:

Victor: Yeah,

945

:

Xhafer: you you very notably resigned

from Earthforce and gave up your

946

:

ability to sit in those chairs, sir.

947

:

Laura: You made a whole

new government, sir.

948

:

Like, for real.

949

:

Tony Todd is being very

gracious is all I'm saying.

950

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

951

:

Laura: Uh, They call up Drake on the

comms and super bully him so they

952

:

can steal the ship and that's pretty

953

:

fun.

954

:

Xhafer: Yeah, Sheridan

takes both destroyers.

955

:

Tony Todd is gonna captain the Victory.

956

:

He's gonna captain the Excalibur,

and they head to Deltron 7, leaving

957

:

the Earth Force destroyer behind.

958

:

Victor: Yeah.

959

:

Laura: I get, I

960

:

hope they left

961

:

Victor: At least .Did they?

962

:

Xhafer: mean, maybe there's

not enough crew to man

963

:

three

964

:

ships.

965

:

On the, on the Charon, so.

966

:

Laura: yeah,

967

:

Xhafer: They arrive at

Deltron 7 in short order.

968

:

They were expecting a paradise.

969

:

They describe it like it's Ryza.

970

:

But find evidence of a shadow planet

killer cloud having been used.

971

:

Victor: The planet is dead.

972

:

Xhafer: All they find is a drowsy distress

call coming from the dream soundstage.

973

:

Victor: Yeah, They send down an

away team in a couple of shuttles.

974

:

And they're all wearing parkas.

975

:

Laura: But it looks

976

:

Xhafer: Love those Away Team

977

:

Victor: ha ha!

978

:

Laura: original series, like it's very

foam rocks covered in dust kind of thing.

979

:

Victor: ha ha!

980

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

981

:

Even the parkas.

982

:

Laura: Yeah.

983

:

Xhafer: They're very Star Trek movies.

984

:

Victor: One bit of continuity here

I appreciate is that the Drazi, the

985

:

dead Drazi that they find, Darina

slices him open and finds his hidden

986

:

sack for smuggling that he has and

finds the uh, his voicemail USB stick.

987

:

One piece of continuity I appreciate

is that Drazi blood is white.

988

:

I remember you guys mentioning this

on a previous episode of Who Are You?

989

:

Where there was a fight with some Drazi

and there was Drazi blood and you were

990

:

like, Is Drazi blood supposed to be

just, you know, milk white like that?

991

:

So yeah, I remember that specifically.

992

:

I don't remember which

episode it was, but yeah.

993

:

I appreciate this consistency.

994

:

Laura: I also like the reference

that not everyone keeps their

995

:

genitals in the same place

996

:

because his are like in his armpit,

997

:

right?

998

:

Xhafer: just

999

:

Victor: up all kinds of

questions that I'm sure there's

:

00:42:51,417 --> 00:42:52,597

fanfiction about somewhere.

:

00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:57,947

It

:

00:42:58,092 --> 00:42:59,792

Xhafer: don't say, don't say.

:

00:43:00,162 --> 00:43:02,032

Let them use their imaginations.

:

00:43:03,727 --> 00:43:06,707

Laura: Okay, just imagine what

Ja'far is doing with his armpit.

:

00:43:07,257 --> 00:43:09,987

Victor: so when you see a Drazi

putting on deodorant and taking

:

00:43:09,987 --> 00:43:11,157

a little bit of extra time.

:

00:43:14,527 --> 00:43:15,107

Laura: plans.

:

00:43:15,137 --> 00:43:15,907

You got plans for

:

00:43:15,907 --> 00:43:16,287

later.

:

00:43:17,032 --> 00:43:20,662

Xhafer: Tony Todd confirms the Planet

Killer was used only a week ago,

:

00:43:21,322 --> 00:43:22,852

as well, which is an important bit.

:

00:43:23,382 --> 00:43:26,922

Garibaldi talks to Drake and confirms

that Sheridan took the Destroyers.

:

00:43:27,902 --> 00:43:31,982

Well, Captain Anderson calls home

to check on his wife and kids.

:

00:43:33,107 --> 00:43:36,377

Victor: This is another classic

Babylon 5 trope, which I really like.

:

00:43:36,877 --> 00:43:41,067

You know, Sheridan has done this a few

times, or at least once, I want to say.

:

00:43:41,272 --> 00:43:43,002

Xhafer: Yeah, call home before you might

:

00:43:43,017 --> 00:43:43,307

Victor: Yeah.

:

00:43:43,897 --> 00:43:44,237

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:45,027

Something bad's

:

00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:47,236

Victor: ha ha ha ha!

:

00:43:47,236 --> 00:43:47,752

ha!

:

00:43:53,087 --> 00:44:00,282

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:44:01,792 --> 00:44:05,912

Victor: I'm sorry, dude, I can't

You can't be Badass Captain

:

00:44:05,932 --> 00:44:07,062

and your name is Leonard, man.

:

00:44:07,092 --> 00:44:07,472

Come on!

:

00:44:07,472 --> 00:44:09,045

Ha ha ha ha!

:

00:44:09,045 --> 00:44:09,438

ha!

:

00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:09,832

ha!

:

00:44:09,832 --> 00:44:11,080

Yeah, he should have been ha ha!

:

00:44:11,147 --> 00:44:11,887

Laura: Captain Leo.

:

00:44:11,932 --> 00:44:12,322

Victor: Leo.

:

00:44:12,322 --> 00:44:12,682

ha ha

:

00:44:12,682 --> 00:44:13,042

ha ha

:

00:44:13,042 --> 00:44:13,202

ha!

:

00:44:13,472 --> 00:44:13,642

That

:

00:44:13,642 --> 00:44:14,222

would have been better.

:

00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:15,092

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:44:15,622 --> 00:44:20,570

The Drak arrive in the system, and Doreena

goes to attempt subterfuge but the Drak

:

00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:22,520

attack before they can communicate.

:

00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,220

Two of the Drak ships

fly into a null field.

:

00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,850

Victor: Yeah, the null

field never gets explained.

:

00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:29,985

The End.

:

00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:30,580

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,750

The Excalibur fires main guns into the

cloud, and then they pass through on

:

00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:37,870

the other side, and it's the Drak fleet.

:

00:44:37,935 --> 00:44:40,999

Uh, They jump away and

set course for Earth.

:

00:44:41,326 --> 00:44:45,676

Victor: I think Captain Anderson's

number one asks, Are those the Druk?

:

00:44:45,676 --> 00:44:48,166

And we get another

amazing piece of dialogue.

:

00:44:48,246 --> 00:44:51,846

Writer's, God, how did they not

get a fucking award for this thing?

:

00:44:52,296 --> 00:44:55,696

Where Captain Anderson said, Those

are either the Druk, Or the weirdest

:

00:44:55,706 --> 00:44:57,446

pizza delivery trucks I've ever seen.

:

00:44:58,006 --> 00:45:00,486

Who the, who the fuck wrote that line?

:

00:45:00,846 --> 00:45:00,866

Xhafer: heh

:

00:45:03,706 --> 00:45:04,116

Laura: Well,

:

00:45:04,116 --> 00:45:08,426

Xhafer: wanna know what pizza

delivery trucks look like in:

:

00:45:08,506 --> 00:45:08,836

Or

:

00:45:08,866 --> 00:45:11,336

:

:

00:45:11,376 --> 00:45:11,866

Whatever.

:

00:45:12,756 --> 00:45:13,946

Whatever year it fuckin is.

:

00:45:13,961 --> 00:45:14,421

Victor: Mm hmm.

:

00:45:15,046 --> 00:45:17,796

Xhafer: Sheridan FaceTimes

Lockley to catch her up, and she

:

00:45:17,796 --> 00:45:19,766

calls the president of EarthGov.

:

00:45:20,231 --> 00:45:23,641

Laura: Reluctantly, she's

like, what the fuck now?

:

00:45:23,741 --> 00:45:26,131

Like, why are you making me do this?

:

00:45:26,181 --> 00:45:27,791

No one's going to believe me.

:

00:45:28,691 --> 00:45:31,841

Victor: another piece of callback

continuity that I appreciated is that she

:

00:45:31,841 --> 00:45:36,751

says she has to call President Luchenko,

who we saw on, I believe, the last

:

00:45:36,751 --> 00:45:39,251

episode, I guess, hosted on WhoRU, where

:

00:45:39,881 --> 00:45:41,551

Sheridan went back to Earth to trial.

:

00:45:41,551 --> 00:45:44,771

It was the only time we actually

saw President Luchenko on screen,

:

00:45:44,771 --> 00:45:46,466

so I'm glad that she uh, she

:

00:45:46,466 --> 00:45:47,766

got, she kept her

:

00:45:47,796 --> 00:45:48,906

Laura: She's hanging around.

:

00:45:49,276 --> 00:45:50,256

We got four year terms.

:

00:45:50,256 --> 00:45:51,156

She got re upped.

:

00:45:51,686 --> 00:45:52,006

Victor: Mm hmm.

:

00:45:52,671 --> 00:45:57,581

Xhafer: Sheridan FaceTimes Garibaldi

and Drake reveals that he was the leak.

:

00:45:57,846 --> 00:46:01,301

Laura: Dun, dun,

:

00:46:01,551 --> 00:46:05,211

Xhafer: captures Drake and confirms

Sheridan's story, and when the

:

00:46:05,211 --> 00:46:08,671

Excalibur and Victory jump to Earth,

they find the fleet assembled.

:

00:46:09,021 --> 00:46:15,121

Victor: Now this, this scene where

Garibaldi and Drake, I have to say,

:

00:46:15,131 --> 00:46:19,441

this is probably, in my opinion, the

best thing about this movie is we get,

:

00:46:19,531 --> 00:46:23,382

this is the last appearance, of Jerry

Doyle as Garibaldi that we ever see.

:

00:46:23,927 --> 00:46:28,187

And this scene right here is

the most Garibaldi scene ever.

:

00:46:28,277 --> 00:46:32,137

Where Drake has got him at

gunpoint, and Garibaldi just

:

00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:35,037

shit talks his way out of it.

:

00:46:35,037 --> 00:46:37,007

And subdues him.

:

00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:40,497

This is peak Garibaldi, I have to say.

:

00:46:40,527 --> 00:46:43,197

And to me, that's the

best part of the movie.

:

00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:52,190

Xhafer: Russian general, who has

to start eating his words mere

:

00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:53,810

moments after they leave his mouth.

:

00:46:53,825 --> 00:46:55,375

Laura: I loved his attitude though.

:

00:46:55,385 --> 00:46:58,225

He was so unimpressed answering the phone.

:

00:46:58,525 --> 00:47:00,805

He was like, what the fuck do you want?

:

00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:02,130

Xhafer: heh.

:

00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:06,010

I'm having a shit day and it's your fault.

:

00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:08,390

Heh heh

:

00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:11,670

Laura: He does change his tune and

he's gonna follow Sheridan, but I

:

00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,780

loved the take on bringing it in.

:

00:47:14,505 --> 00:47:14,895

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:20,110

Victor: me up, doing this, he thinks

it's a training exercise or some shit.

:

00:47:20,810 --> 00:47:24,150

And then, and then the drach

show up with their planet killer.

:

00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:29,640

And, I really appreciated this,

but did you guys notice that the

:

00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,252

shadow planet killer, it just

kind of fades in a little bit.

:

00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:35,650

In the same manner that

the Shadow Vessels did.

:

00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:41,050

But, the Drok ships arrived with the

blue vortex jump, hyperspace jump points.

:

00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,650

So that's really cool.

:

00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:46,300

Again, it's little bits of continuity

that I really love about this movie.

:

00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:51,050

You know, it's showing that the,

the Shadow technology is, is way

:

00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:53,530

ahead of the Drok technology.

:

00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:57,020

They, they got a hold of something

that's way more advanced than they have.

:

00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:58,830

Laura: Yeah, they're

just playing with toys.

:

00:47:59,195 --> 00:48:02,175

Xhafer: Yeah, it really shows

that Joe Straczynski was paying

:

00:48:02,175 --> 00:48:03,985

attention when he did this one.

:

00:48:04,265 --> 00:48:07,885

Compared to Legend of the Rangers, where

he was definitely Sleepy Joe at the wheel.

:

00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:09,590

Laura: Checked out, yeah.

:

00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:12,970

The battle for Earth is interesting,

too, in that, you know, we bring in

:

00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:15,830

all the Alliance ships, like, all

the Alliance worlds are doing what

:

00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:16,840

they're supposed to do.

:

00:48:16,875 --> 00:48:21,595

Victor: yeah, we, we, we see Minbari ships

there, Brachiri, White Stars, every kind

:

00:48:21,595 --> 00:48:26,145

of Earth force vessel, and we even get a

Vree flying saucer in the background there

:

00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,310

Laura: Oh, that's fun,

:

00:48:27,675 --> 00:48:28,095

Victor: yeah.

:

00:48:28,755 --> 00:48:31,895

Xhafer: They have to be

closer to Earth, right?

:

00:48:32,145 --> 00:48:34,395

Like, I always think of the

League of Non Aligned Worlds

:

00:48:34,395 --> 00:48:35,350

as, like, being closer to Earth.

:

00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:39,910

On the other side of the galaxy from

Earth, because we know that the Centauri

:

00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:41,820

are close and that the Mimbari are close.

:

00:48:42,275 --> 00:48:42,635

Victor: mhm.

:

00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:46,650

Xhafer: But the Vrii have to be somewhere

right around there, because they've been

:

00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:49,670

abducting humans for hundreds of years.

:

00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:50,380

Laura: exactly.

:

00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:51,500

Xhafer: Canonically.

:

00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:53,970

Mm

:

00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:56,930

Victor: on, this was a Vree ship

that was fucking around trying

:

00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:58,380

to abduct some cows or something.

:

00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:02,440

And was like, oh, and it got caught, like,

when this massive distress call came out.

:

00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,050

And they were like, what, what,

we weren't doing nothing, you

:

00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:04,220

know.

:

00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:04,800

Laura: no.

:

00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:07,130

Victor: Put the cow back.

:

00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:07,900

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:49:08,231 --> 00:49:09,861

Victor: So then the fleet battle begins.

:

00:49:09,911 --> 00:49:10,401

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:49:11,171 --> 00:49:15,391

Victor: I noticed on board, on board

the Excalibur and the Victory, something

:

00:49:15,391 --> 00:49:19,801

that I'd never seen before, on the

bridge of those ships, we, we get the

:

00:49:19,811 --> 00:49:23,431

extras, the Earth Force guys are just

kind of poking their heads up over

:

00:49:23,431 --> 00:49:26,561

the bridge to look at the, the screen

and be like, whoa, what's going on?

:

00:49:26,791 --> 00:49:30,951

So, we've never, we've never seen that

before, but they're all like poking around

:

00:49:30,971 --> 00:49:32,461

going, whoa, whoa, what's happening?

:

00:49:32,561 --> 00:49:36,011

And I like that because that's, that's

kind of, that's kind of realistic.

:

00:49:36,011 --> 00:49:36,971

And it kind of also.

:

00:49:37,431 --> 00:49:40,471

Speaks to the fact that these

ships are way more advanced.

:

00:49:40,491 --> 00:49:43,471

They mentioned that they have a lot

more automation, so You know, I'm

:

00:49:43,471 --> 00:49:46,311

guessing these guys don't necessarily

have to be at their stations

:

00:49:46,861 --> 00:49:47,871

a hundred percent of the time.

:

00:49:48,261 --> 00:49:51,591

They can just get up and poke their

heads around to see what's going on.

:

00:49:52,151 --> 00:49:56,691

Xhafer: So, in this space battle Sharon

starts kinda throwing some lob shots

:

00:49:56,691 --> 00:49:59,751

into the Planet Killer to determine

its structure, if it's actually a

:

00:49:59,751 --> 00:50:01,321

cloud, if there's a superstructure.

:

00:50:01,971 --> 00:50:07,451

And then he starts scanning every

available frequency to learn

:

00:50:07,561 --> 00:50:09,151

anything he can about this thing.

:

00:50:09,521 --> 00:50:11,451

And they find this control point.

:

00:50:11,781 --> 00:50:14,911

And then they find this weird

thing kind of near the control

:

00:50:14,911 --> 00:50:16,091

point, what they think is.

:

00:50:16,111 --> 00:50:17,031

And it's hard to tell.

:

00:50:17,471 --> 00:50:21,231

And Drina determines the

weak point because of the

:

00:50:21,241 --> 00:50:23,671

subterfuge, her thief's mind,

:

00:50:24,041 --> 00:50:25,341

Victor: Hmm, she thinks like a thief.

:

00:50:25,341 --> 00:50:26,661

Some more terrible dialogue.

:

00:50:27,263 --> 00:50:30,223

Xhafer: And, uh, Sheridan

decides to go for it.

:

00:50:30,703 --> 00:50:34,363

And it's at this point, Captain

Anderson gets Sheridan to clear a

:

00:50:34,363 --> 00:50:37,483

path so that he can go full Klingon.

:

00:50:40,308 --> 00:50:43,338

Victor: another thing about this battle

scene is they use a technique that I

:

00:50:43,358 --> 00:50:48,978

think we see it a few times in Crusade as

well, where They have some muted scenes

:

00:50:49,068 --> 00:50:54,318

of Sheridan and Captain Anderson giving

the order to fire and it just cuts back

:

00:50:54,318 --> 00:50:58,398

and forth between exterior shots of the

ship and back to the captain's chair where

:

00:50:58,398 --> 00:51:00,098

they're ordering fire, but it's muted.

:

00:51:00,678 --> 00:51:01,808

I don't like this technique.

:

00:51:01,818 --> 00:51:03,178

It's used a few times.

:

00:51:03,188 --> 00:51:03,988

I think it's dumb.

:

00:51:04,088 --> 00:51:08,538

You know, I think to me it's very

obviously that they were working

:

00:51:08,538 --> 00:51:11,898

within the confines of their CGI

budget because we should have got

:

00:51:11,898 --> 00:51:15,418

a really epic space battle here,

but we only got bits and pieces.

:

00:51:15,418 --> 00:51:15,498

I

:

00:51:16,408 --> 00:51:16,898

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:51:17,155 --> 00:51:19,925

There was some weird edit and

weird music in this one, right?

:

00:51:19,955 --> 00:51:20,055

Or

:

00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:21,070

Victor: Oh, the music.

:

00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:22,240

Yeah, we haven't even talked about the

:

00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:22,980

music yet.

:

00:51:23,025 --> 00:51:24,485

Xhafer: this is miserable.

:

00:51:24,550 --> 00:51:26,070

Victor: it's, what's

the name of the new guy?

:

00:51:27,070 --> 00:51:27,500

Chen.

:

00:51:28,065 --> 00:51:28,515

Laura: I don't know.

:

00:51:28,515 --> 00:51:29,975

Is he also the Crusade guy?

:

00:51:30,015 --> 00:51:32,165

Because Crusade also feels pretty weird.

:

00:51:32,375 --> 00:51:34,755

And I'm sure it was just

like transitioning to the

:

00:51:34,755 --> 00:51:36,275

new thing for Crusade.

:

00:51:36,785 --> 00:51:37,745

But man, what a

:

00:51:37,795 --> 00:51:40,315

Victor: Yeah, they lost their

original music guy and brought in

:

00:51:40,315 --> 00:51:44,395

this new, new wave, weird techno,

:

00:51:45,255 --> 00:51:47,065

Laura: It doesn't feel like Babylon

:

00:51:47,075 --> 00:51:52,145

Victor: Yeah, I've described

it as a Casio keyboard that he

:

00:51:52,145 --> 00:51:53,675

just let his cat walk across.

:

00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:54,605

That's what

:

00:51:54,605 --> 00:51:55,485

it sounds like to me.

:

00:51:56,195 --> 00:51:57,865

Um, yeah, I don't like the

:

00:51:57,955 --> 00:52:00,775

Laura: I remember the edits you're

talking about and then also music

:

00:52:00,785 --> 00:52:01,665

with it that I was like, Hmm.

:

00:52:01,665 --> 00:52:03,520

Yeah.

:

00:52:04,475 --> 00:52:07,125

Xhafer: They destroy that

secondary bridge, which causes

:

00:52:07,135 --> 00:52:09,035

all the missiles to go off.

:

00:52:09,385 --> 00:52:13,295

I'm guessing this was a, like,

stop other people from getting

:

00:52:13,295 --> 00:52:15,055

the technology kind of thing.

:

00:52:15,085 --> 00:52:18,395

That's the only thing that really made

sense to me, is why you would blow up the

:

00:52:18,395 --> 00:52:20,025

bridge and it would just self destruct.

:

00:52:20,065 --> 00:52:20,205

That

:

00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:24,125

Victor: well, well, the way, the way

it, it's described, the way, the way I

:

00:52:24,665 --> 00:52:29,225

interpreted it is that it's a big, the

shadow planet killer is a massive net

:

00:52:29,675 --> 00:52:33,965

that folds itself around a planet and

then has all kinds of hard points to where

:

00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:36,065

it fires nuclear missiles at the center.

:

00:52:36,065 --> 00:52:40,865

So when they activate it prematurely

and there's no planet in between,

:

00:52:40,865 --> 00:52:42,575

it just fires on itself, destroying

:

00:52:42,835 --> 00:52:43,175

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:43,185 --> 00:52:43,415

I thought

:

00:52:43,435 --> 00:52:43,895

Xhafer: Yes.

:

00:52:43,955 --> 00:52:50,605

But it's a net, so all the missiles

would probably fly through it and go out.

:

00:52:50,805 --> 00:52:51,085

Victor: yep,

:

00:52:51,745 --> 00:52:54,275

Xhafer: And not hit

other parts of the net,

:

00:52:54,435 --> 00:52:59,365

Victor: right, mhm, and it just

happens to be that all the, the

:

00:52:59,365 --> 00:53:02,415

drach ships got caught in the

net and didn't think to escape

:

00:53:02,775 --> 00:53:05,205

the same way the earth force ships do,

:

00:53:05,825 --> 00:53:08,315

Xhafer: the giant ass Earth Force ships

:

00:53:08,805 --> 00:53:09,215

Victor: yeah,

:

00:53:09,605 --> 00:53:10,665

Xhafer: fly out of there, yeah.

:

00:53:10,945 --> 00:53:11,305

Victor: mhm,

:

00:53:11,905 --> 00:53:14,135

Xhafer: But while all this

was going on, there were some

:

00:53:14,135 --> 00:53:17,515

other Drok ships that released

something into Earth's atmosphere.

:

00:53:17,515 --> 00:53:19,163

Huh.

:

00:53:19,163 --> 00:53:20,812

Yeah.

:

00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:21,415

Laura: this.

:

00:53:21,415 --> 00:53:22,195

You guys.

:

00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,915

I don't know if we just had a

bad, like remaster or something,

:

00:53:25,915 --> 00:53:27,475

but I was like, what are they?

:

00:53:27,475 --> 00:53:29,895

Do I don't, I don't, I

understand what's happening.

:

00:53:29,895 --> 00:53:32,955

And then it was like, oh, there's

some kind of cloud, but I could hardly

:

00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:33,905

Victor: Yeah.

:

00:53:35,485 --> 00:53:36,175

Yeah.

:

00:53:36,385 --> 00:53:38,245

It's the CGI here is not great.

:

00:53:38,245 --> 00:53:40,495

There's some really great

CGI moments in this movie.

:

00:53:40,495 --> 00:53:41,575

This is not one of them.

:

00:53:42,095 --> 00:53:46,955

It, it honestly looks like it was created

on a PlayStation two, the way the see

:

00:53:47,105 --> 00:53:51,395

the vents open up on the rock ships and

just start spitting out this black mist.

:

00:53:51,475 --> 00:53:51,715

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:53:51,715 --> 00:53:55,959

I wondered if that was just me or

Maybe we had a really bad copy.

:

00:53:55,999 --> 00:53:56,509

I don't know.

:

00:53:56,877 --> 00:53:58,857

Victor: The copy I'm watching

is on YouTube actually.

:

00:53:59,257 --> 00:54:04,657

I remember a long time ago, I think there

was a discount on buying YouTube movies,

:

00:54:05,017 --> 00:54:07,097

and I bought this one specifically.

:

00:54:07,477 --> 00:54:10,017

I think it's the only one I've

ever bought off of YouTube movies.

:

00:54:10,077 --> 00:54:14,997

And, interesting, because you can

only comment on these if you buy them.

:

00:54:15,547 --> 00:54:19,337

And, I bought this, like maybe four

or five years ago, I don't know.

:

00:54:19,497 --> 00:54:23,302

But if you go to Call to Arms on

YouTube, You'll see that I'm the

:

00:54:23,302 --> 00:54:24,432

only one who ever commented on it.

:

00:54:26,452 --> 00:54:27,542

In the comment section.

:

00:54:28,042 --> 00:54:29,582

And I think I just said first post?

:

00:54:30,382 --> 00:54:31,232

Um, yeah.

:

00:54:31,872 --> 00:54:35,232

There are no, this is very strange,

there are zero fucking comments.

:

00:54:35,572 --> 00:54:36,052

I may

:

00:54:36,052 --> 00:54:36,252

be

:

00:54:36,252 --> 00:54:36,412

the

:

00:54:36,412 --> 00:54:36,732

only

:

00:54:36,732 --> 00:54:38,242

one who ever bought it.

:

00:54:43,037 --> 00:54:43,487

Laura: Neat.

:

00:54:44,062 --> 00:54:46,312

Victor: Yeah, but the quality is

pretty decent on YouTube, so yeah, I

:

00:54:46,312 --> 00:54:49,572

don't know if they got the upscaling

going on or what, but it's not bad.

:

00:54:50,544 --> 00:54:51,164

Laura: So,

:

00:54:51,252 --> 00:54:55,402

the, the stuff in Earth's atmosphere,

we, we don't know what it is yet.

:

00:54:56,109 --> 00:54:59,419

have written here, Galen gets

summoned to Stonehenge, but I

:

00:54:59,649 --> 00:55:01,069

don't know what happens with Galen.

:

00:55:01,479 --> 00:55:02,299

Do they kick him out?

:

00:55:02,754 --> 00:55:04,634

Victor: Oh, no, they have

another meeting and they talk

:

00:55:04,644 --> 00:55:07,869

about like It's very ambiguous.

:

00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,309

Like, they say a lot of nothing

:

00:55:11,014 --> 00:55:14,864

Laura: Yeah, I wondered if he was being

like, you know, you've messed around

:

00:55:14,864 --> 00:55:16,684

too much, we're, we're booting you.

:

00:55:18,393 --> 00:55:22,833

Victor: we see his Technomage stealth

ship come through the, the jump gate.

:

00:55:23,449 --> 00:55:24,299

To Babylon 5.

:

00:55:24,524 --> 00:55:29,660

Laura: mm hm, so Sheridan confirms

for us that this Drak Plague has

:

00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:32,970

been spread into the atmosphere

and it is shadow technology.

:

00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,260

Earth has been quarantined.

:

00:55:35,410 --> 00:55:38,970

The plague is still adjusting to

the hosts, so it's gonna take five

:

00:55:38,970 --> 00:55:42,360

years for anyone to die, I guess.

:

00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:44,700

Or for everyone to die.

:

00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:45,270

Like.

:

00:55:45,925 --> 00:55:47,985

Maybe people might

start dying before that.

:

00:55:48,005 --> 00:55:48,345

I don't know.

:

00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:49,025

It's, it's

:

00:55:49,875 --> 00:55:52,365

Victor: said some people will

be affected sooner than others.

:

00:55:52,595 --> 00:55:52,875

Yeah,

:

00:55:53,995 --> 00:55:57,795

Laura: so they have five years to

send the Excalibur out to find a cure.

:

00:55:58,945 --> 00:56:02,115

Victor: He gives, and this is where

Sheridan gives the pitch for Crusade.

:

00:56:02,835 --> 00:56:03,085

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:06,650

Victor: that we're going to crew it with

the best crew we can find, and yeah,

:

00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:11,450

it's going to have a five year mission to

go out and find a cure for this plague.

:

00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:15,840

Laura: As this is being read, Aaron

is like, Boy, Bruce Boxleitner

:

00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,450

just really phoned this last part

:

00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:18,010

in, didn't

:

00:56:18,130 --> 00:56:18,970

Victor: really did.

:

00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:20,111

Yeah.

:

00:56:20,111 --> 00:56:21,252

Mhmm.

:

00:56:21,252 --> 00:56:22,393

Yeah.

:

00:56:22,780 --> 00:56:24,430

Laura: He's like, he does not give a shit.

:

00:56:25,498 --> 00:56:26,588

Xhafer: And, and that's it.

:

00:56:26,608 --> 00:56:27,718

We get our spin off.

:

00:56:28,298 --> 00:56:35,227

So before we talk about how we're

going to watch Crusade, we should seed

:

00:56:35,227 --> 00:56:40,687

this movie off with a rating on our

traditional scale of Babylon's 1 to 5.

:

00:56:41,397 --> 00:56:44,967

Laura: Okay, I think that guests

have to go first, and I really

:

00:56:44,967 --> 00:56:46,587

want to hear what Victor thinks.

:

00:56:47,097 --> 00:56:47,557

Victor: Yeah.

:

00:56:47,617 --> 00:56:50,897

So, for this movie, I give it a five.

:

00:56:50,897 --> 00:56:52,986

I really do.

:

00:56:52,987 --> 00:56:53,607

I fucking do.

:

00:56:53,627 --> 00:56:54,587

I can't explain it.

:

00:56:54,657 --> 00:56:56,057

It's got so many flaws.

:

00:56:56,117 --> 00:56:57,667

It's, it's so bad.

:

00:56:57,967 --> 00:57:01,887

But if you were to give set all the DVDs

of all the Babylon 5 movies in front

:

00:57:01,887 --> 00:57:05,077

of me, this is the one I would grab

to say we're watching this one first.

:

00:57:05,467 --> 00:57:06,347

I don't know what it is.

:

00:57:06,397 --> 00:57:08,592

It's just It just works for me.

:

00:57:08,612 --> 00:57:09,562

I fucking love it.

:

00:57:09,812 --> 00:57:12,472

And I've been super excited to

do this episode with you guys.

:

00:57:14,532 --> 00:57:17,972

Even though, Even though, we're

missing, we're missing everything

:

00:57:17,972 --> 00:57:19,042

that makes Babylon five.

:

00:57:19,042 --> 00:57:19,312

Great.

:

00:57:19,312 --> 00:57:20,222

We got no Londo.

:

00:57:20,232 --> 00:57:21,212

We got no Jakar.

:

00:57:21,562 --> 00:57:22,472

You know, we

:

00:57:22,742 --> 00:57:27,472

Xhafer: I would actually argue that

there is a bit of Jakar in this,

:

00:57:27,482 --> 00:57:34,242

specifically Galen is, especially

in this movie, is written like he is

:

00:57:34,242 --> 00:57:36,202

Jakar and Marcus at the same time.

:

00:57:37,247 --> 00:57:38,117

Victor: Very much so.

:

00:57:38,487 --> 00:57:42,757

Yeah, I didn't get to do any of

my, my, my Galen impressions.

:

00:57:43,337 --> 00:57:45,417

Like, this is not your

world, Doreen, I feel.

:

00:57:46,197 --> 00:57:47,797

But it shares the same fate.

:

00:57:47,897 --> 00:57:50,847

Like, his, his delivery is

just so fucking terrible.

:

00:57:52,117 --> 00:57:53,967

Be sure you choose the right target.

:

00:57:55,807 --> 00:57:57,797

Laura: I don't know, I eat that shit up.

:

00:57:57,797 --> 00:57:58,717

I do like Galen.

:

00:57:58,727 --> 00:58:00,617

I was like, okay, this will be alright,

:

00:58:00,667 --> 00:58:01,997

Victor: He is so extra, man.

:

00:58:02,267 --> 00:58:03,597

Just everything he does

:

00:58:04,097 --> 00:58:04,917

Laura: Maybe that's it.

:

00:58:04,917 --> 00:58:06,587

I just like a dramatic bitch.

:

00:58:06,607 --> 00:58:07,987

Like, I love it.

:

00:58:10,337 --> 00:58:13,694

Victor: yeah,

:

00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:15,447

Xhafer: Well, Laura, how'd

you feel about this one?

:

00:58:15,537 --> 00:58:17,077

On our scale of one to five?

:

00:58:17,847 --> 00:58:21,117

Laura: I guess for me it's,

it's still kind of average.

:

00:58:21,527 --> 00:58:22,547

I don't know.

:

00:58:22,607 --> 00:58:26,277

Cause I, I really think there's

a huge, huge difference.

:

00:58:26,607 --> 00:58:31,157

Plothole with like the ship that

can only shoot once and then has

:

00:58:31,157 --> 00:58:34,397

to wait a minute to even move Like

:

00:58:34,957 --> 00:58:35,397

just

:

00:58:35,607 --> 00:58:35,907

Xhafer: wait.

:

00:58:36,407 --> 00:58:37,747

Laura: oh, it's gonna get worse.

:

00:58:37,747 --> 00:58:41,387

I'm sure yeah Because they

don't fix that for crusade.

:

00:58:41,387 --> 00:58:42,087

I'm guessing

:

00:58:42,382 --> 00:58:44,392

Victor: No, no, they don't.

:

00:58:45,067 --> 00:58:46,517

Xhafer: It's not a bug, It's a feature.

:

00:58:46,517 --> 00:58:47,902

Heh

:

00:58:48,022 --> 00:58:49,252

Laura: high priority.

:

00:58:49,292 --> 00:58:49,912

I don't know.

:

00:58:50,512 --> 00:58:52,852

Yeah, I guess I'm gonna

have to give it a three.

:

00:58:52,862 --> 00:58:55,972

Like, it's not bad, but

for me it's like, okay.

:

00:58:55,992 --> 00:58:59,102

And then also we didn't talk

about this, but the plague ending

:

00:58:59,102 --> 00:59:01,032

gives me really bad weird feels.

:

00:59:01,032 --> 00:59:03,112

And

:

00:59:04,292 --> 00:59:04,372

just the

:

00:59:04,392 --> 00:59:04,972

like, Now

:

00:59:05,702 --> 00:59:06,032

Victor: Yeah.

:

00:59:06,032 --> 00:59:07,022

Quarantined earth.

:

00:59:07,022 --> 00:59:12,467

Right?

:

00:59:12,642 --> 00:59:15,552

Laura: You can't, you will

not keep them on this planet.

:

00:59:15,562 --> 00:59:17,912

They will get away somehow.

:

00:59:17,962 --> 00:59:18,382

Like,

:

00:59:18,427 --> 00:59:18,957

Victor: imagine,

:

00:59:18,957 --> 00:59:25,187

like, all the, all the, the, anti, anti

Drok conspiracy theorists that would have

:

00:59:25,187 --> 00:59:26,747

been saying, like, The Drok aren't real!

:

00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:29,057

The government made them

up to keep us on Earth!

:

00:59:29,082 --> 00:59:29,732

Laura: uh Huh.

:

00:59:29,882 --> 00:59:30,762

Xhafer: flat earth.

:

00:59:31,052 --> 00:59:32,482

It's like you've been in space.

:

00:59:32,632 --> 00:59:33,792

You've seen it.

:

00:59:34,172 --> 00:59:34,882

I don't care.

:

00:59:34,882 --> 00:59:35,822

It's flat.

:

00:59:36,342 --> 00:59:36,572

It

:

00:59:36,577 --> 00:59:37,697

Victor: Space is flat.

:

00:59:38,387 --> 00:59:40,277

Space is flat You know why space is flat?

:

00:59:40,277 --> 00:59:42,777

Because every time another ship

runs into another ship, they're

:

00:59:42,777 --> 00:59:44,227

always the same orientation.

:

00:59:44,367 --> 00:59:46,947

So yeah, fucking space is flat.

:

00:59:46,947 --> 00:59:53,687

Yeah.

:

00:59:53,842 --> 00:59:56,132

Laura: write this this way

because it will not happen.

:

00:59:56,132 --> 00:59:56,962

We know more now.

:

00:59:56,962 --> 00:59:57,802

We know better.

:

00:59:57,832 --> 00:59:59,542

And we know people are worse.

:

00:59:59,622 --> 00:59:59,932

So.

:

01:00:02,922 --> 01:00:03,992

Yeah, I have to go with three.

:

01:00:03,992 --> 01:00:04,972

What about you, Ja'far?

:

01:00:05,822 --> 01:00:06,922

Xhafer: I'll say three and a half.

:

01:00:07,342 --> 01:00:07,772

Laura: Okay.

:

01:00:08,246 --> 01:00:08,476

little

:

01:00:08,526 --> 01:00:09,396

Xhafer: Yeah, it's fun.

:

01:00:10,066 --> 01:00:11,096

I had fun.

:

01:00:11,156 --> 01:00:12,916

I enjoyed watching this movie.

:

01:00:14,266 --> 01:00:14,956

It is flawed.

:

01:00:17,231 --> 01:00:19,351

Deeply, deeply flawed, but I enjoyed it.

:

01:00:19,351 --> 01:00:20,081

I had a good time.

:

01:00:20,506 --> 01:00:23,016

Laura: not the slog that

Legend of the Rangers was.

:

01:00:23,016 --> 01:00:23,396

It was.

:

01:00:23,751 --> 01:00:24,181

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:00:26,151 --> 01:00:33,501

I mean, it's well established that sci

fi TV show is supposed to be preachy and

:

01:00:33,511 --> 01:00:37,671

make you think about things, and sci fi

movie is supposed to be fucking Star Wars.

:

01:00:37,931 --> 01:00:41,711

So, in that, big success.

:

01:00:43,941 --> 01:00:47,336

What was not a big success,

though, Was Crusade.

:

01:00:47,456 --> 01:00:52,956

So, listener, very quickly, I think five

episodes got aired before it got pulled.

:

01:00:53,376 --> 01:00:54,046

Laura: Wow.

:

01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:58,726

Xhafer: There are 13 episodes on

the DVD release that were completed.

:

01:00:59,556 --> 01:01:04,123

We are going to be watching

the It is available to stream

:

01:01:04,163 --> 01:01:06,643

on, I think, Tubi or something.

:

01:01:07,443 --> 01:01:08,573

It exists out there.

:

01:01:08,583 --> 01:01:09,303

You can find

:

01:01:09,513 --> 01:01:11,623

Laura: Yeah, you can buy it on iTunes.

:

01:01:11,663 --> 01:01:12,053

We got

:

01:01:12,053 --> 01:01:12,173

it

:

01:01:12,273 --> 01:01:12,783

Xhafer: iTunes.

:

01:01:13,028 --> 01:01:16,468

Victor: I, I purchased it on, on Amazon

video and I would like to know listeners

:

01:01:16,468 --> 01:01:21,378

if any of you out there also purchased it

on Amazon video, I really need to write

:

01:01:21,378 --> 01:01:24,728

their technical support or something

because there's something really weird.

:

01:01:24,738 --> 01:01:27,998

It's also the same with all the Babylon

5 movies that I bought off of Amazon.

:

01:01:28,338 --> 01:01:29,708

The audio is desynced

:

01:01:30,328 --> 01:01:33,548

and the longer the episode

goes on, the worse it is.

:

01:01:33,548 --> 01:01:37,853

So by the time you get to the end of

the episode, It's like watching an

:

01:01:37,853 --> 01:01:42,103

old Godzilla movie where the mouth

movements don't match up with the fucking

:

01:01:42,158 --> 01:01:44,758

Xhafer: Have you tried just stopping

in the middle of the episode

:

01:01:44,793 --> 01:01:45,493

Victor: I've tried everything.

:

01:01:45,743 --> 01:01:50,613

I've tried watching it on my phone,

on my iPad, or my tablet, on the TV.

:

01:01:50,613 --> 01:01:51,663

It's the same fucking thing.

:

01:01:52,073 --> 01:01:52,753

I don't know what it is.

:

01:01:52,753 --> 01:01:54,773

I want to know if anyone

else has this problem.

:

01:01:54,773 --> 01:01:56,973

So, yeah, join our

Discord and let us know.

:

01:01:57,313 --> 01:01:59,683

Laura: That is weird and

horrid, and I could never do it.

:

01:02:00,313 --> 01:02:02,333

Victor: Yeah, it's very,

it's very distracting.

:

01:02:02,483 --> 01:02:02,843

Laura: Yeah,

:

01:02:03,068 --> 01:02:03,408

Xhafer: Uh,

:

01:02:03,538 --> 01:02:07,018

Victor: Speaking of which if I,

if I may take a moment, I will

:

01:02:07,058 --> 01:02:08,608

also throw this in the discord.

:

01:02:08,961 --> 01:02:11,621

But I have a, I have a

pitch for Call to Arms

:

01:02:12,141 --> 01:02:15,111

about what I would do to fix this movie.

:

01:02:15,471 --> 01:02:19,331

Because I feel like the DNA is

there to be great, and it just,

:

01:02:19,751 --> 01:02:20,791

just got a lot of missteps.

:

01:02:21,197 --> 01:02:23,087

First of all, we we didn't

even mention that there's no

:

01:02:23,097 --> 01:02:24,487

D'Lynn in this movie either.

:

01:02:24,987 --> 01:02:28,402

She's mentioned, But we never see her,

so it's very obvious that they couldn't

:

01:02:28,412 --> 01:02:31,342

get Mira Furlan to uh, reprise her role.

:

01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:34,085

so the first thing I

would address is Doreena.

:

01:02:35,105 --> 01:02:41,155

Her character gets a little better in, in

Crusade, but it seems to me very obviously

:

01:02:41,155 --> 01:02:43,165

that she's just very out of place.

:

01:02:43,705 --> 01:02:47,495

And my first thought was like, this

role should have gone to Leta, right?

:

01:02:48,015 --> 01:02:50,655

I mean, it would make sense

that she would be the one.

:

01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:53,320

To fill this, you know,

this messenger role.

:

01:02:53,820 --> 01:02:58,130

But then I had the thought, what I would

do in a perfect world, an alternate

:

01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:02,540

universe where there's unlimited

funding and resources to make Call to

:

01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:05,130

Arms, I would have brought back Talia.

:

01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:11,090

I would have made it so where Talia has

either escaped prison or she's on parole.

:

01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:17,319

And her personality that was supposed

to be erased by the Psycorps or Mindwipe

:

01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,290

resurfaces and is now struggling.

:

01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:22,300

Like to, to, to stay in control.

:

01:03:22,310 --> 01:03:25,110

I believe the actual, the name

of the AI or whatever it is that

:

01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,630

wiped her memory is called control.

:

01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:33,890

So she would be in a, a sort of a struggle

to, to remain the dominant personality.

:

01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:35,750

Like she's fighting, she's fighting it.

:

01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,090

Um, and.

:

01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:40,180

She goes, Uriah's on Babylon 5 trying to

get to Sheridan, and Sheridan's all just

:

01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:41,710

like, Get her the hell off my station!

:

01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,710

And then you have a dramatic scene where

he's struggling on whether or not to

:

01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:49,270

trust her, but then she starts saying

that she's been having the same visions as

:

01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:49,670

him.

:

01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,460

So I think that would be a really,

that would have been a real

:

01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:53,840

interesting thing to explore.

:

01:03:54,125 --> 01:03:55,645

Laura: is an interesting tension.

:

01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:58,149

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:03:58,460 --> 01:04:03,405

Victor: um, I would have just one ship,

you know, when they have the Excalibur

:

01:04:03,405 --> 01:04:07,855

and the Victory, it's, it's very, the

obvious foreshadowing that, come on, you

:

01:04:07,855 --> 01:04:09,655

know one of them's gonna blow up, okay?

:

01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:10,655

Laura: Did we really

:

01:04:10,825 --> 01:04:11,695

Victor: away the tension.

:

01:04:12,665 --> 01:04:13,075

Yeah.

:

01:04:13,105 --> 01:04:13,725

exactly.

:

01:04:14,145 --> 01:04:17,275

I would have put, and for all the

battle scenes, I would have, you

:

01:04:17,275 --> 01:04:20,755

know, Tony Todd's character would have

taken command of the Excalibur and

:

01:04:20,755 --> 01:04:22,475

have Sheridan back on a White Star.

:

01:04:22,525 --> 01:04:23,515

You know, that makes more sense.

:

01:04:23,515 --> 01:04:24,765

That's what he's familiar with.

:

01:04:24,995 --> 01:04:26,795

You know, he's spent

more time in command of a

:

01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:27,210

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:27,325 --> 01:04:27,795

Victor: than anyone

:

01:04:27,795 --> 01:04:28,015

else.

:

01:04:28,029 --> 01:04:29,310

Xhafer: I, can I pitch you something?

:

01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:29,840

Victor: Yeah.

:

01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,650

Haha.

:

01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:35,330

Xhafer: thing that, that, is interesting

about the TOS movies, because

:

01:04:35,330 --> 01:04:36,570

we've talked so much about them.

:

01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,720

I'm going to go back to that.

:

01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:44,060

Well, um, that they don't do enough

of is it's about Kirk having to like,

:

01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,460

look down the barrel of retirement

or increased responsibilities as

:

01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:51,930

an admiral and give up the ship.

:

01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:52,830

It's his big regret.

:

01:04:53,050 --> 01:04:53,420

It is.

:

01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:57,995

It's such a big regret that his

dying scene In generations or shortly

:

01:04:57,995 --> 01:05:01,755

beforehand is I'll like never let them

take the captain's chair from you, John

:

01:05:01,765 --> 01:05:05,265

Luke, like this was this

was the mistake that I made.

:

01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:09,404

Don't make this mistake because

you can actually impact change.

:

01:05:09,765 --> 01:05:14,745

And so I think it'd be way more

interesting to have Sheridan not be

:

01:05:14,925 --> 01:05:16,335

in charge of either of the ships.

:

01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,220

Victor: Mm, have him kind of step back, be

:

01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,279

Xhafer: I think, I think you have to

force him to step back, and let the

:

01:05:22,279 --> 01:05:27,000

captains be the captains of the ship,

and have him have to deal with that.

:

01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:29,090

Have a little character growth,

:

01:05:29,540 --> 01:05:30,490

Victor: That is excellent.

:

01:05:31,025 --> 01:05:34,005

That is actually an excellent idea

and that actually kind of ties into

:

01:05:34,005 --> 01:05:36,714

my next note that I would have is

that due to the fact that we've

:

01:05:36,714 --> 01:05:40,524

already seen Sleeping in Light at

this point, we know Sheridan lives.

:

01:05:40,524 --> 01:05:41,874

We know Garibaldi lives.

:

01:05:41,874 --> 01:05:43,304

We know all these characters make it.

:

01:05:43,654 --> 01:05:47,044

So, having, they've got plot

armor, so we know they're going

:

01:05:47,044 --> 01:05:51,844

to survive this movie, so we move

the tension to Captain Anderson.

:

01:05:52,104 --> 01:05:55,334

And also, it would have been great

to see Lockley more involved.

:

01:05:55,824 --> 01:05:57,764

Put Lockley in command of a White Star.

:

01:05:57,764 --> 01:06:00,824

We've never seen her at the helm of a

White Star, but like at the scene where,

:

01:06:01,163 --> 01:06:04,754

where Sheridan calls back for help and

says, hey, mobilize everything, have

:

01:06:04,754 --> 01:06:09,214

her jump on a White Star and be like,

alright, hey, you know, I'm gonna, instead

:

01:06:09,214 --> 01:06:10,754

of being in the background, I'm finally

:

01:06:10,839 --> 01:06:11,309

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:06:11,334 --> 01:06:12,234

Victor: do something to try and make a

:

01:06:12,399 --> 01:06:12,809

Xhafer: Or,

:

01:06:12,959 --> 01:06:15,499

if you've got two of these

ships, give one to her!

:

01:06:15,869 --> 01:06:17,229

She's an Earthforce captain!

:

01:06:17,674 --> 01:06:18,114

Victor: right.

:

01:06:18,684 --> 01:06:19,134

Yeah.

:

01:06:19,284 --> 01:06:23,214

And, and both Lockley and Captain Anderson

do not have plot armor because neither

:

01:06:23,214 --> 01:06:24,324

of them were in sleeping in light.

:

01:06:24,324 --> 01:06:27,364

So the viewer would have more tension,

like, Oh, are they going to make it?

:

01:06:27,374 --> 01:06:27,804

You know?

:

01:06:28,743 --> 01:06:29,003

okay.

:

01:06:29,003 --> 01:06:29,183

Yeah.

:

01:06:29,293 --> 01:06:33,738

Just a couple more notes for, for the,

Call to arms, the victor, the victor edit.

:

01:06:34,223 --> 01:06:34,723

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:06:35,598 --> 01:06:38,828

Victor: As cool as it was in the scene

where we have all the alien ships

:

01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:43,058

there from the League of Online Worlds

defending Earth, it would, would have

:

01:06:43,058 --> 01:06:46,678

been more desperate to just have the

Earth Force ships and maybe a couple

:

01:06:46,678 --> 01:06:48,168

of white stars in the Excalibur.

:

01:06:49,693 --> 01:06:53,443

And, and just show those ships getting

wrecked by the Drakk, you know, we, we

:

01:06:53,443 --> 01:06:57,963

deserved a bigger battle scene in this,

in this movie and show them just getting

:

01:06:57,963 --> 01:07:01,273

destroyed and the White Star and the

Excalibur are the only ones that can

:

01:07:01,293 --> 01:07:05,723

go toe to toe with the Drakk and it's,

it's make it a more desperate battle,

:

01:07:05,783 --> 01:07:10,403

really build that tension up and then

right as like they're making their

:

01:07:10,403 --> 01:07:13,443

last stand, they're like, Oh, this is

the battle of the line all over again.

:

01:07:13,863 --> 01:07:19,173

Then we get the, the Jump points opening

up, then the League ships show up, then

:

01:07:19,173 --> 01:07:23,893

the Minbari show up, then Brachiri, and

then they start turning the tide of the

:

01:07:23,893 --> 01:07:29,743

battle, and THEN the Excalibur flies

into the cloud to do the Leroy Jenkins

:

01:07:29,753 --> 01:07:35,273

thing, and instead of it sacrificing

itself, Have a big Millennium Falcon

:

01:07:35,273 --> 01:07:40,063

moment where Captain Anderson goes

fucking Leroy Jenkins balls first fires

:

01:07:40,063 --> 01:07:42,403

all the weapons Big fiery explosion.

:

01:07:42,403 --> 01:07:43,133

We think he's dead.

:

01:07:43,133 --> 01:07:44,553

But no, but then he comes flying out at

:

01:07:44,553 --> 01:07:45,833

the end and we're all like, Yeah,

:

01:07:46,643 --> 01:07:47,083

Xhafer: yeah,

:

01:07:49,023 --> 01:07:49,353

that's

:

01:07:49,433 --> 01:07:52,173

Victor: yeah, that's what I would

have done and that's that's the

:

01:07:52,173 --> 01:07:55,803

victor edit and then of course we

do the drach plague thing Piece

:

01:07:55,803 --> 01:07:57,353

of trivia that I found on IMDB.

:

01:07:57,373 --> 01:08:01,443

I couldn't find this anywhere in the

Babylon 5 wiki, but apparently You It's

:

01:08:01,483 --> 01:08:05,513

in, I don't know, maybe it's in the

novelization of this movie, but apparently

:

01:08:05,513 --> 01:08:08,503

the Drak Plague was meant for Mimbar.

:

01:08:09,213 --> 01:08:12,193

Their, apparently their plan was they

were going to destroy earth with the,

:

01:08:12,313 --> 01:08:16,533

with the death cloud and then head to

Mimbar and drop the plague on Mimbar.

:

01:08:17,332 --> 01:08:21,603

And it seems that's the reason that

it didn't affect humans as well

:

01:08:21,603 --> 01:08:23,723

because it was engineered for Mimbari.

:

01:08:23,743 --> 01:08:27,193

So I'm not sure where they, that

piece of canon comes from, but

:

01:08:27,193 --> 01:08:29,343

that's on the IMDB trivia page.

:

01:08:29,473 --> 01:08:29,973

So I.

:

01:08:30,438 --> 01:08:31,558

Thought that was pretty interesting.

:

01:08:31,598 --> 01:08:32,798

And also makes more sense.

:

01:08:33,452 --> 01:08:33,863

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:08:34,283 --> 01:08:37,002

Yeah, they were like, well, shit,

we gotta just dump this shit then.

:

01:08:37,218 --> 01:08:38,497

Victor: Yeah, right.

:

01:08:38,497 --> 01:08:40,778

So it's like their plan B it's like,

well, okay, we're not going to make it.

:

01:08:40,788 --> 01:08:43,497

We lost just fart all over earth instead.

:

01:08:44,113 --> 01:08:45,002

Xhafer: Yeah, fuck them.

:

01:08:45,353 --> 01:08:45,723

Laura: Mm hmm.

:

01:08:45,723 --> 01:08:46,893

heh heh.

:

01:08:46,893 --> 01:08:48,322

heh.

:

01:08:48,502 --> 01:08:49,393

Crop testing.

:

01:08:49,393 --> 01:08:49,925

Heh

:

01:08:49,925 --> 01:08:50,988

heh heh.

:

01:08:50,988 --> 01:08:52,051

heh heh.

:

01:08:52,667 --> 01:08:53,298

Victor: And there we are.

:

01:08:53,308 --> 01:08:55,667

And that's why I give this movie

a five star rating, not for what

:

01:08:55,667 --> 01:08:56,648

it is, but what it could be.

:

01:08:57,223 --> 01:08:57,643

Xhafer: All right.

:

01:08:59,013 --> 01:09:02,423

Well, next week we're going to be

watching, and we're not going to be

:

01:09:02,423 --> 01:09:05,438

watching crusade in episode order.

:

01:09:05,438 --> 01:09:08,698

We're going to be watching it in

kind of a pieced together order.

:

01:09:09,087 --> 01:09:14,468

That is, I want to say most of it

comes from JMS's notes in the like

:

01:09:14,508 --> 01:09:18,048

books that he did about making

Babylon 5 and Crusade afterwards.

:

01:09:18,657 --> 01:09:21,377

so we're going to do the first

half of it is episode one,

:

01:09:21,377 --> 01:09:22,787

War Zone is our first step.

:

01:09:23,136 --> 01:09:24,567

Episode two, The Long Road.

:

01:09:24,867 --> 01:09:28,162

Then we skip to eight,

appearances and other deceits.

:

01:09:28,532 --> 01:09:30,591

We skip to 10.

:

01:09:31,176 --> 01:09:35,317

11, 9, 12, and then we break.

:

01:09:35,984 --> 01:09:37,765

Uh, and then we'll do our movie break,

:

01:09:37,765 --> 01:09:40,745

which I think we're

going to do office space.

:

01:09:40,745 --> 01:09:41,604

I don't know if we said that

:

01:09:41,694 --> 01:09:43,415

Laura: Of course we are doing office

:

01:09:43,415 --> 01:09:44,165

space.

:

01:09:44,932 --> 01:09:46,692

Xhafer: Uh, But I think

that's the plan, yeah.

:

01:09:46,841 --> 01:09:49,791

So we got Crusade Episode 1 Warzone.

:

01:09:49,841 --> 01:09:53,291

Captain Matthew Gideon assembles the

crew that will be with him on the

:

01:09:53,291 --> 01:09:55,121

experimental spaceship Excalibur.

:

01:09:55,491 --> 01:09:56,081

Their mission?

:

01:09:56,131 --> 01:10:00,751

Explore the reaches of space to find

a cure for the deadly drach virus

:

01:10:00,761 --> 01:10:03,041

that will overrun Earth in five years.

:

01:10:03,736 --> 01:10:09,316

That's all we get?

:

01:10:09,461 --> 01:10:10,611

Laura: show up sometime.

:

01:10:10,701 --> 01:10:11,261

Like,

:

01:10:11,876 --> 01:10:13,886

Xhafer: You would think.

:

01:10:14,446 --> 01:10:16,206

He might be so busy though.

:

01:10:16,716 --> 01:10:17,146

Laura: uh Huh.

:

01:10:17,806 --> 01:10:18,886

Xhafer: He should be the busiest

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01:10:19,051 --> 01:10:19,581

Victor: Because he

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Laura: I don't know.

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I'm just saying I really

feel like he should show

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Victor: Oh, well, he does and that's the

episode I requested to guest host on.

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Laura: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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Neat.

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Xhafer: Good.

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Good.

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He should.

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Victor: Was that your prime

time prediction Laura?

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Xhafer: Ha ha ha ha

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Laura: that was my prime time,

so I get three points, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Alright.

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Well, with all that said, all we

have left to say is thank you.

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Thank you, Jeremy Siegel,

for our lovely theme music.

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Really appreciate it.

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You can find more of Jeremy's

work at jeremysiegel42.

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bandcamp.

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com or on streaming services as Nuclear

Jaguar where I think he's about to drop

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something?

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Laura: Yeah.

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I think a new song.

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01:11:05,843 --> 01:11:07,113

Xhafer: Yeah, go listen.

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01:11:08,154 --> 01:11:10,474

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

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for our podcast artwork.

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01:11:12,432 --> 01:11:14,532

Xhafer: Thanks Aaron

for editing the podcast.

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Really appreciate all the hard work we

made you do explicitly in this episode.

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Thanks for making me sound like a

coherent human being with organized

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thoughts and not someone who just

says um for 20 minutes every day.

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01:11:29,427 --> 01:11:30,727

Laura: Same, big same.

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Hey, thanks, Victor, for coming and being

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Victor: Thank you for having me.

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I've been looking forward to this.

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Yeah.

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Uh, yeah.

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Oh.

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You can find me on the

Last Time On Podcast.

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I'm a co host along with Jaffar there.

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01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:45,747

On Arm, co host with Jaffar there, yeah.

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And on Dominion Media Television.

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01:11:47,947 --> 01:11:49,817

Facebook.

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01:11:49,817 --> 01:11:51,587

com forward slash Dominion Media TV.

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01:11:51,587 --> 01:11:55,867

And if I could say a quick thank you,

I just want to say to the fans of

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DMTV, you guys are the absolute best.

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01:11:58,387 --> 01:12:04,862

I just recently posted, earlier this

morning, a special little six part

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01:12:04,872 --> 01:12:11,832

tribute comic that my fans made for,

um, my cat who recently passed after

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01:12:11,832 --> 01:12:13,432

a four month long battle with cancer.

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01:12:13,892 --> 01:12:17,462

They put together, I, completely by

surprise, I had no idea they were

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01:12:17,462 --> 01:12:22,117

doing this, but they made a little

four part comic featuring It's called

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01:12:22,117 --> 01:12:25,947

The Trouble With Tacos, and it's

posted in its own folder over on

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01:12:26,267 --> 01:12:27,877

Dominion Media TV, so check it out.

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01:12:28,197 --> 01:12:31,057

It's really adorable, and it's

really heartwarming, so thank you.

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01:12:31,057 --> 01:12:34,787

I want to give a special shoutout

and a special thank you to Mel

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01:12:34,787 --> 01:12:39,517

Cassidy, Cassandra Diane, Patrick

Mercier, and Hector Rodriguez for

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01:12:39,827 --> 01:12:41,127

putting this little tribute together.

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01:12:41,367 --> 01:12:42,087

Thank you so much.

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01:12:42,487 --> 01:12:43,687

Laura: Yeah, that was very sweet.

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01:12:44,477 --> 01:12:47,237

And thank you listeners for

being here with us today on

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01:12:47,237 --> 01:12:49,677

our final Babylon 5 journey.

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01:12:50,047 --> 01:12:51,397

I guess it's crusade

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01:12:51,517 --> 01:12:53,887

Xhafer: got Crusade stuffs.

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01:12:54,697 --> 01:12:56,167

Um, we got Lost Tales.

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01:12:56,809 --> 01:12:58,000

Laura: Oh, right, right, right.

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01:12:58,410 --> 01:13:00,440

That's the final Babylon 5.

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01:13:01,070 --> 01:13:01,450

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:13:02,330 --> 01:13:04,330

Laura: I like to forget about that one.

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01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,160

Xhafer: That's

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01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:07,130

Victor: not that bad.

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01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:07,450

They're okay.

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01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:08,875

They're not bad.

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01:13:09,725 --> 01:13:12,055

I mean, they're not as

great as Babylon 5, but

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01:13:12,075 --> 01:13:13,825

they're they're something.

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01:13:15,309 --> 01:13:18,309

Laura: They'll be totally new to me

because I have completely forgotten it.

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01:13:19,275 --> 01:13:19,934

Victor: No, they're pretty good.

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01:13:20,065 --> 01:13:20,575

They're pretty good.

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01:13:20,896 --> 01:13:21,556

Xhafer: Alright, we'll see

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01:13:21,611 --> 01:13:22,101

Victor: We'll see you next

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01:13:22,101 --> 01:13:22,281

week,

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01:13:22,281 --> 01:13:22,741

Internet.

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01:13:23,307 --> 01:13:23,927

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.