Episode 63

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Published on:

1st Feb 2023

Atlantis: The Lost Empire - Hardcore Atlanteans

Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer take a midseason movie break to watch Atlantis: The Lost Empire, featuring B5 alumna Claudia Christian.

Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You, A Babylon five watch cast

Xhafer:

hosted by two former strangers.

Xhafer:

Now friends who normally would be rewatching one of the favorite

Xhafer:

shows from their childhood.

Xhafer:

Babylon five.

Xhafer:

But we're taking a movie break.

Xhafer:

I'm Jafa,

Laura:

And I'm Laura.

Xhafer:

and today we're gonna be watching Atlantis, the Lost

Xhafer:

Empire for our movie break.

Laura:

It was a nice light, fluffy, delightful movie break.

Xhafer:

it was nice to take a, a movie break.

Xhafer:

I had never seen this before.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

I was shocked to find it was critically panned.

Xhafer:

It's sitting at like a 54% on Metacritic right now.

Laura:

Oh, okay.

Laura:

I guess.

Laura:

Okay.

Laura:

. I can see it critically panned, but.

Xhafer:

But still, hey, it did win in 2002, the D V D exclusive awards.

Xhafer:

It was a nominee for best original retrospective documentary, and

Xhafer:

it did win the uh, 2002 Golden Reel Award for best sound editing

Xhafer:

for an animated feature film.

Xhafer:

So good on you, Atlantis.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

it.

Laura:

It's not a bad movie.

Xhafer:

Uh, No.

Xhafer:

No, it was not bad.

Xhafer:

It was for sure not bad.

Xhafer:

I've definitely watched way worse movies for this podcast,

Laura:

Indeed.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

No, this is a, a movie that is a particular point in time, I

Laura:

think, for animation, right?

Laura:

We were coming outta that nineties era of Disney animation and trying

Laura:

to figure out what came next.

Laura:

And we have that, you know, some CGI.

Laura:

Some traditional animation in this movie.

Laura:

It really reminded me of another one that I think is also critically panned.

Laura:

Titan ae, do you remember that movie?

Xhafer:

I do remember Titan ae,

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

also Iron Giant, I feel like was around the same time.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Okay.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

And is that same style?

Xhafer:

So Mike uh, MCAH, who's the guy who created Hellboy.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

was like the in charge of the visual direction of the movie

Xhafer:

um, which is why it's very comic booky and a lot of the monsters in

Xhafer:

particular, and vehicles definitely have his kind of art style to them.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

But we're watching this like we do for our normal movie breaks.

Xhafer:

If you haven't listened to one of these yet because there is

Xhafer:

some crossover with Babylon five this time, particularly in the.

Xhafer:

So Helga, who is the number two to the captain that will meet,

Xhafer:

is played by Claudia Christian

Laura:

Uh, Do you think she was typecast at all in this role?

Xhafer:

I was like, there were moments where I'm like, they just took a line that

Xhafer:

she already recorded for Babel on five

Laura:

Uh Huh.

Laura:

Yeah, there it starts out and she's got that kind of fem fatal,

Laura:

like vaguely European accent.

Laura:

Doing her sexy thing sounds a little different.

Laura:

And then there are moments later where it's like, that is Susan

Laura:

Ivanova . That is not Helga

Xhafer:

Uh, Phil Morris is Dr.

Xhafer:

Sweet, and we just saw him, he was Bill Trainor in season three,

Xhafer:

severed Dreams, which was episode 10.

Xhafer:

So just two episodes go.

Xhafer:

We were talking about him.

Laura:

A very familiar voice too.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

there's a little bit of Star Trek crossover here too, besides Phil Morris.

Xhafer:

Um, There's a couple bit parts here and there but the big one is

Xhafer:

Leonard Nemoy is our Atlantian King.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

So we've got that to look forward to.

Xhafer:

And then uh, speaking of Star Trek, the guy who made Klingon is the guy

Xhafer:

who made Thelan language for this.

Laura:

Oh, how fun.

Xhafer:

So I read a little bit about the creation process of those two languages.

Xhafer:

Uh, Cleon was definitely aimed at something completely

Xhafer:

foreign, very alien sounding.

Xhafer:

Versus Atlantian and they, they call it a root language in the film where

Xhafer:

like all language comes from Atlantian.

Xhafer:

It's actually mostly proto Indo-European with some Hebrew, some

Xhafer:

Latin, some Greek and some Sumerian.

Xhafer:

So I'm using air quotes when we talk about root language and all known

Xhafer:

languages, cuz it's definitely.

Xhafer:

Europe,

Laura:

right?

Xhafer:

And, and even more specifically Western Europe.

Xhafer:

But hey they, it does go out a little bit farther with you know,

Xhafer:

we get the Sumerian, which is nice.

Xhafer:

But.

Xhafer:

To call it a root language of all known languages is to pretend like Asia,

Xhafer:

Africa, and the Americas did not have

Laura:

Right.

Laura:

It's a very,

Xhafer:

rude and racist.

Xhafer:

Not in that order.

Xhafer:

Actually, in the other order it's racist.

Xhafer:

And then Rude

Laura:

Yeah, it's very fantastical to pretend that there's this idea

Laura:

that there could be a root language

Laura:

of, of all languages in.

Laura:

But yeah, not, not so much

. Xhafer:

Mm-hmm.

. Xhafer:

. We get a little bit of that in Battlestar Galactica as well,

Laura:

Ooh, fun.

Xhafer:

Uh, But I'm not gonna say anything more about that, and you're

Xhafer:

gonna completely forget about it.

Xhafer:

And then in like eight years, I'm gonna bring it up on a episode of podcast.

Xhafer:

You'll be like, damn, or however long it takes us to get there.

Laura:

Call back to our previous podcast.

Laura:

It'll be fun.

Xhafer:

Yeah, this movie opens . Very dramatically.

Xhafer:

We've got big waves.

Xhafer:

We've got these mechanical flying sharks, we've got subtitles,

Xhafer:

we've got alien abductions, we've got pixelated special effects.

Xhafer:

And hey, it's not a Disney movie without some mattress side.

Laura:

It's classic Disney trope.

Laura:

Uh, mo Mommy's gotta sacrifice herself this time to save the entire city.

Xhafer:

Ugh.

Xhafer:

Yeah, I, I don't know what it is about Disney.

Xhafer:

I don't know if I've mentioned this on pod or not.

Xhafer:

I did not grow up with Disney movies.

Xhafer:

I have known nostalgia for them.

Xhafer:

I saw a couple in like grade school as like a, oh, teachers

Xhafer:

sick sub doesn't know what to do.

Xhafer:

We're watching Beauty in the Beast, kind of a.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

But at home, Disney movies were liberal propaganda

Xhafer:

and not allowed in the household.

Laura:

seriously.

Laura:

Oh, that got even sadder.

Laura:

I mean, I was a little sad when, you know, you said you didn't have much Disney.

Laura:

Not that I was, I wasn't really like a Disney kid, but I had those standard

Laura:

ones that you have in the nineties.

Laura:

Right.

Laura:

You know

Xhafer:

It didn't, it picked up later.

Xhafer:

It like my super early childhood, I went to Disney World in like 1991, maybe 1992.

Laura:

Interesting.

Xhafer:

but sometime after that it became a problem.

Laura:

Okay.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

All right.

Xhafer:

Anyways yeah, I don't have a lot of nostalgia for any of these things.

Xhafer:

I had a friend in college who like, when they found out, she was just like,

Xhafer:

I'm making a point of making sure you see like almost every Disney film.

Xhafer:

So I've seen most of them now, but

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

at least as far as the classic animated ones are concerned.

Xhafer:

I didn't keep up for the last 15 years or whatever it's been.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Anyways we move forward in time a great number of years.

Xhafer:

We find out later to the year 1914, which is the year World War.

Xhafer:

I started about halfway through the

Laura:

Oh yeah, indeed.

Xhafer:

and uh, Marty McFly wants the government suits to

Xhafer:

give him some money to find.

Xhafer:

Atlantis is the scene that we're kind of presented.

Xhafer:

Uh, Michael J.

Xhafer:

Fox is Milo.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

presenting.

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

And then we find out like we, like you said, we think,

Laura:

Yeah, we find out that he's doing his presentation in the boiler.

Xhafer:

So while he's going through the a note comes down one of those

Xhafer:

bank vacuum tubes and tells him that his meeting had been moved up an

Xhafer:

hour which put it 45 minutes ago.

Xhafer:

And then he immediately gets another one saying that he was so late

Xhafer:

that they rejected his proposal and gave him a little bit of

Xhafer:

shade for his un professionality.

Laura:

Oh

Xhafer:

that's not a word for being unprofessional,

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Which, you know, I, I think we've all wanted to do this to

Laura:

somebody at some meeting we've had.

Laura:

Yes.

Xhafer:

This is nightmare fuel for me.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

move the meeting up an hour and then get a message saying you're late.

Xhafer:

Oh man.

Laura:

I struggle when I'm working with a software provider or somebody

Laura:

that's in another time zone, and if they don't, What time zone they're

Laura:

in and what time zone I'm in like,

Xhafer:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

nervous.

Xhafer:

So he's like, what the hell?

Xhafer:

Runs out of the boiler room, runs up to where he is supposed to meet people.

Xhafer:

They're all, this board of directors is all laughing, and then Benny Hill

Xhafer:

plays and they all run around, find doors to hide behind, except for one

Xhafer:

who he chases

Xhafer:

down, jumps in front of the car threatens to resign the whole deal.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Did you catch the voice on this guy, this board member?

Xhafer:

I know I looked it up, but I don't remember offhand.

Laura:

It's David Ogden Steers who feels like he should have been in

Laura:

Babylon five, but apparently never was

Xhafer:

I went through every member of the voice cast and,

Xhafer:

and checked for Babylon five.

Xhafer:

So there were a couple people I was surprised that weren't, to be perfectly

Xhafer:

honest, and I believe this is one of them.

Laura:

because we got a nice cameo with him, at least one, maybe two in Star Trek.

Laura:

He was definitely in next generation.

Laura:

And you know, of course big mash actor, great actor.

Laura:

I really wanted him to have been a guest on Babylon five.

Laura:

It is a damn shame he never was.

Xhafer:

But the next character we meet is our commander.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

Milo comes home and finds a femme fatal, as we mentioned

Xhafer:

earlier, waiting for him.

Xhafer:

Very noir style.

Laura:

yes.

Xhafer:

And it's Helga who informs Milo that her employer wants to meet with him.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

I wonder who this could be.

Xhafer:

Yeah, we meet Mr.

Xhafer:

Whitmore.

Xhafer:

Who is a friend of Milo's grandfather, who we've had a little bit of

Xhafer:

lip service played to so far.

Xhafer:

He was an explorer type,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

, he kind of gave him the dream of Atlantis.

Laura:

It seems like

Xhafer:

mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

. And uh, he has a package from Milo, from his grandfather from before he passed,

Xhafer:

and it's the journal Milo is looking for.

Laura:

dun,

Xhafer:

I have a note here to think of a Marty Crane joke later.

Xhafer:

I did not so, I hope that was funny,

Laura:

Yeah, the Marty Crane is, this is a great actor for this

Laura:

particular character, I think.

Xhafer:

This, this, this guy, Mr.

Xhafer:

Whitmore,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

we'll get to it, but he's so rich.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

He's, he's like equivalency, significantly wealthier than Jeff Bezos.

Xhafer:

When you adjust for inflation.

Xhafer:

Like I, I, I did some math and we'll

Xhafer:

get to

Xhafer:

it,

Laura:

us

Xhafer:

we'll, we'll get, when we get there, I, I, I get upset

Xhafer:

at some things in this movie,

Laura:

there's a few things that you can get upset if you really choose

Xhafer:

Yeah, but Milo's not upset because, hey, it's only been

Xhafer:

10 minutes into this movie and he's got the McGuffin already.

Xhafer:

Good for him.

Xhafer:

Myla Fervor sells Mr.

Xhafer:

Whitmore, who has already built everything and is financing

Xhafer:

the expedition to Atlantis.

Laura:

Yeah, he's all in.

Laura:

He just needed somebody who could read the book.

Laura:

Basically.

Laura:

He's picked everything

Laura:

he's

Xhafer:

It's all done.

Xhafer:

Uh, Regardless of . Legality.

Xhafer:

It's done.

Laura:

like you do when you're a billionaire,

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Uh, We briefly meet Cookie.

Xhafer:

Who is Jim Varney?

Xhafer:

Uh, Of course famous for the movie.

Xhafer:

Ernest goes to a space station I don't know if that's a real Ernest movie to

Xhafer:

be

Xhafer:

perfectly honest.

Xhafer:

I should be.

Xhafer:

I just made it up.

Xhafer:

I just pulled it outta the ether, so if it's a real one, haha on me.

Xhafer:

But

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

No.

Laura:

D Did you watch the Ernest movies?

Laura:

I guess you probably didn't when you were a

Laura:

kid, huh?

Xhafer:

Nope, never seen a single one in my life.

Laura:

I remember enjoying the hell out of them as a child, but I do not, I

Laura:

could not tell you what a single Ernest movie is really about other than Ernest.

Laura:

Like Ernest the character is it right?

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Well, yeah, he was like a standup comic and that was a character

Xhafer:

he did, and then it spun off into like 50 movies or something.

Xhafer:

Obscene, right.

Xhafer:

I, I guess, I don't know.

Laura:

He has great facial expressions.

Laura:

I think that's part of what made Ernest so popular is a character like, and of

Laura:

course you don't get that in this movie.

Laura:

You just get his, you know, voice talent, which is also very good.

Laura:

But Ernest facial expressions are, are very delightful.

Xhafer:

So uh, everything's moving along and they get in this, this submarine,

Laura:

Uhhuh.

Xhafer:

LA Laura, this submarine.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

Do you, do you know how big the submarine is?

Laura:

It seems excessive for their needs.

Xhafer:

Excessive for their needs.

Xhafer:

Is a bit of an understatement.

Xhafer:

So I did the math, so it's like, okay, Milo, about this tall.

Xhafer:

And then I paused and I put my fingers up to the screen and I'm like, okay,

Xhafer:

if Milo's this tall, then the top of this sphere is this tall, right?

Xhafer:

And just like kind of worked my way with the glass.

Xhafer:

And I figured this thing is about 55 feet.

Laura:

Okay.

Xhafer:

For a submarine, so when I take some more of my fingers up to

Xhafer:

the screen math with that 55 feet and a different frame and work it

Xhafer:

out, this submarine is 495 feet long.

Laura:

Mm.

Xhafer:

A football field with both end zones is 360 feet.

Laura:

Yeah, that was my question was how, how does that

Laura:

translate to football fields?

Xhafer:

This thing is.

Xhafer:

Longer than the t o s enterprise is wide.

Laura:

Oh,

Xhafer:

This thing is bigger than an Ohio class submarine,

Laura:

Uhhuh.

Xhafer:

right, which is a modern submarine that's fucking massive.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

And to compare it to boats of the era, this is 12 U boats roped together.

Laura:

Well, how does, wait, this is a off topic question, but how does

Laura:

Ohio get to be a submarine class?

Laura:

That is a landlocked state.

Laura:

My friend

Xhafer:

Couldn't tell ya.

Laura:

gonna have to Google that one.

Laura:

Somebody drop it in the Discord

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

It's, it's the biggest submarine that the United States has, and

Xhafer:

it's the second largest sub.

Xhafer:

Ever.

Xhafer:

There's

Laura:

Good for you,

Xhafer:

have a slightly bigger one.

Laura:

Yeah, of course they do.

Xhafer:

you know,

Laura:

probably a little more out of date though.

Xhafer:

Milo meets some of the crew here and they demonstrate

Xhafer:

how wacky and crazy everyone

Laura:

Uhhuh.

Laura:

Yep.

Xhafer:

Oh boy.

Xhafer:

We see an old lady smoking in a submarine.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

. What a delight.

Laura:

I really, when I heard her voice you know, another classic movie from around

Laura:

this time that did a lot better, I think is the Emperor's New Groove.

Xhafer:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

there's a, a waitress character and the emperor's new Groove when there's

Laura:

a bunch of shenanigans taking place that it, she's an also old lady probably.

Laura:

Really wanted this to be the same voice actress looked it up.

Laura:

They are not the same people.

Laura:

It was a damn shame,

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Laura:

but

Xhafer:

We get a bit about the Leviathan here and I'm sure that's

Xhafer:

gonna be important in about 30 seconds

Laura:

the

Xhafer:

immediately find this shipwreck field

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

with ships of every era distinctly called out, which I

Xhafer:

appreciated cuz there was a ton of random as ships there and it was a lot

Xhafer:

of fun and I could of sit and froze frame and pointed out different ships.

Xhafer:

I dig shipwreck.

Xhafer:

I've been to shipwreck museums, actually I'll, I'm gonna rotate here for you.

Xhafer:

You, this does nothing for everyone who's watching, but in my office, I

Xhafer:

actually have a map of shipwrecks,

Laura:

Oh, nice.

Xhafer:

Right from off the coast of Nova Scotia.

Xhafer:

It's a St.

Xhafer:

Paul's island where they've just been an obscene amount of shipwrecks

Xhafer:

because it's a really weirdly placed island before the mainland, and a

Xhafer:

lot of people aren't expecting to.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

so there's like 20 lighthouses on this fucker, and still just,

Xhafer:

there's, there's literally over 60 shipwrecks on this map, and it's

Xhafer:

not even like a third of them.

Xhafer:

There's just a, it happens all the time there.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

So I could go on a bit about that.

Xhafer:

But I want to talk about two things here.

Xhafer:

First, how useless our captain is.

Laura:

Oh my gosh.

Xhafer:

They are under attack and the captain's orders are,

Xhafer:

tell the chef to get some butter.

Xhafer:

I wanna serve this thing for dinner

Xhafer:

uh, Instead of anything useful.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

then the second is how big this fucking sea creature is.

Xhafer:

Well, it's a robot.

Xhafer:

We find out,

Laura:

Spoilers.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

uh, Spoilers.

Xhafer:

So using my fingers up against the screen method,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

very scientific.

Laura:

Yes.

Xhafer:

I came to the conclusion that this thing is 1,485 feet long,

Laura:

Hmm.

Xhafer:

and it, it's longer than it is wide, but it's.

Xhafer:

Very wide as well, especially up at its shoulders.

Xhafer:

It's several hundred feet wide.

Xhafer:

It's probably over a football field wide.

Xhafer:

But this, this, this length here, this is as long as 16 and

Xhafer:

a half blue whales, which are the largest creature known, right?

Laura:

right?

Xhafer:

A blue whale is the size of 40 elephants.

Xhafer:

It's a 16 and a half of those.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

If this were a skyscraper, if you were to plant it nose down, get it

Xhafer:

to stand straight up, it would be the 20th, tallest building in the world.

Xhafer:

It is 200 feet taller than the Empire State Building.

Laura:

Hmm.

Laura:

And yet even I know that we weren't like the sharpest bunch of knives

Laura:

in the drawer in 1914, but no one has documented this thing ever

Xhafer:

It's so big.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

. Mm-hmm.

Laura:

. Okay.

Xhafer:

Yeah, so much like ice cubes.

Xhafer:

No Vaseline, big bank tank, little bank here.

Xhafer:

And the Leviathan just outright destroys this submarine immediately.

Xhafer:

Which by the way adjusted for inflation, I'm guessing is about $3 billion.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Give or take, that's based off the cost of an Ohio

Xhafer:

cast class submarine, by the way.

Xhafer:

Uh, If you're wondering where I'm pulling that outta my ass from

Xhafer:

our search party gets in a much more reasonably sized submarine,

Laura:

right.

Xhafer:

and then they find the entrance to Atlantis.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

A very long entrance is, we're gonna find out.

Xhafer:

Yes, but that's, I did more math.

Xhafer:

Laura

Laura:

Okay.

Xhafer:

they got there in seven hours.

Xhafer:

Now we don't know exactly where Atlantis is in this movie, but they did make a

Xhafer:

sequel and they do show Atlantis on a map, and I figured out the distance.

Xhafer:

And this submarine was traveling at about 214 miles per hour.

Laura:

God

Xhafer:

For reference, like, I don't know if you know anything

Xhafer:

about underwater travel.

Xhafer:

I'm gonna assume at least one of our listeners doesn't,

Xhafer:

so I'll explain a little.

Xhafer:

That is very, very, very fast.

Xhafer:

Underwater travel is very slow.

Xhafer:

The.

Xhafer:

Underwater speed record for a manned vehicle is 114 miles per hour,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

so an extra a hundred miles per hour and and that modern

Xhafer:

vehicle significantly smaller.

Xhafer:

The smaller you are, the faster you can go underwater.

Xhafer:

There's a lot to do with drag.

Laura:

A lot of pressure under there.

Laura:

I don't, I'm, I'm not a physicist.

Laura:

We know this on this podcast by now, but there's a lot of pressure underwater

Xhafer:

Yeah, the current on top of water speed record is 317 miles per hour.

Laura:

Oh man, that sounds just.

Laura:

Too wicked, scary fast.

Laura:

I do not want to

Laura:

be on

Xhafer:

water.

Xhafer:

No, I don't wanna be on that boat.

Xhafer:

I want to be on a plane above that boat going faster and safer.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Same

Xhafer:

Anyways, we get a, we get this montage of them traveling

Xhafer:

through the entrance here.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

We have no idea how long it takes them.

Xhafer:

They have winter at one point,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

. Xhafer: They're snow in a cave.

Laura:

The, the IMP implication from this montage is that it is very long

Xhafer:

It takes them o like a, a seasons

Laura:

yeah.

Laura:

yeah.

Xhafer:

Okay.

Xhafer:

I'm gonna, I'm, I promise I'm gonna focus on the plot now.

Xhafer:

I think, I think I might be done with math.

Laura:

Maybe

Xhafer:

I think I gave up after this point.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

You can't apply too much logic to this kind of movie.

Xhafer:

As they travel, we see various cave people observing them as they

Xhafer:

destroy countless cultural artifacts.

Xhafer:

Like, well, the British in 1914

Laura:

it's at least very, very accurate to that part of the time period.

Laura:

Right.

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Hey we get some backs, stories, tm Before the literal fireflies burn the camp down.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

We get to learn a little bit about everybody except Creepy mole guy

Laura:

whose story is apparently too bad.

Laura:

We just can't, we can't put that out on a Disney movie,

Xhafer:

He is the top listed actor on Im db,

Laura:

is

Xhafer:

guy who plays the mole.

Xhafer:

He has hundreds upon hundreds of credits.

Laura:

I can't even remember his name at this moment.

Xhafer:

either.

Xhafer:

I know it

Xhafer:

wasn't

Laura:

he's gotten a lot of work.

Xhafer:

checked, I, I also checked for Shira because that's

Xhafer:

an animated project that JMS was

Xhafer:

active on.

Xhafer:

Um, So I figured that might be a nice little ti.

Xhafer:

Nope, didn't see that either.

Laura:

Oh, okay.

Xhafer:

yeah.

Xhafer:

The bridge gets destroyed.

Xhafer:

The last bridge they have to cross here.

Xhafer:

Well, the second to last bridge, they have to cross here.

Laura:

Right.

Laura:

Right.

Xhafer:

As we find out they lose about a third, half, maybe the vehicles.

Xhafer:

And then uh, the uh, cave natives heal Milo as our party.

Xhafer:

Finds Atlantis uh, we find that these cave people were, of course, Atlantians who

Xhafer:

Milo tries to converse with, and it starts off slow, but he kind of gets the hang of

Xhafer:

saying the words out loud after a minute.

Laura:

it's one of those things when you've just read.

Laura:

and you don't know how to say it.

Xhafer:

yeah,

Laura:

we've all done that

Xhafer:

sorry that I'm pronouncing those words wrong.

Laura:

yeah, we've all done that with English words where we always just read

Laura:

it and it was one way in our heads and then it came out and that's not how it is.

Xhafer:

not, not how it sounds at all.

Laura:

Yeah, it's too bad.

Xhafer:

After this we get a little bit with the king and the princess.

Xhafer:

We find out they're like almost effectively immortal.

Laura:

Yeah, this is not explained at all.

Laura:

I guess it's something to do with the crystal

Xhafer:

Yeah, the crystal keeps them alive.

Xhafer:

We find out they're like 8,500 some years old which means that

Xhafer:

Plato's account of them, given the timeframe is, was in six 50 bc 2000.

Xhafer:

So yeah, it's like 6,000 years old when Play-Doh accounts for them,

Laura:

Oh, good grief,

Xhafer:

yeah.

Xhafer:

Yeah,

Laura:

That sounds miserable.

Xhafer:

it's a lot of time and it's a lot of time to spend with the

Xhafer:

same thousand people in a cave.

Laura:

Oh my God.

Laura:

, I'm, I'm picturing it now.

Laura:

Can you picture it?

Xhafer:

No

Laura:

Uh,

Laura:

no.

Laura:

Nope, nope, nope.

Xhafer:

no, I can't.

Xhafer:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

? No.

Xhafer:

Thank you.

Laura:

I would rather have a little finite time.

Laura:

Thanks,

Xhafer:

Yeah Anyways the king allows them to spend one night there.

Xhafer:

And then uh, Milo is, tasked with talking to Keita and uh, he he finds

Xhafer:

out her age and is just confounded.

Laura:

Chris

Xhafer:

We find out the elan have lost the ability to read their own language.

Laura:

Interesting for people that have been effectively

Laura:

immortal for 8,000 years, eh ish.

Laura:

We stopped reading

Xhafer:

to wonder here,

Laura:

Uhhuh

Xhafer:

I think that this is actually, there's, there's a little bit more going

Xhafer:

on here than we are told with this.

Laura:

Sure.

Laura:

Okay.

Xhafer:

We only know that the king and the princess are very old.

Xhafer:

We don't know if this longevity extends to everyone who is there

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

and the king knowing the disaster that their technology

Xhafer:

and his decisions caused

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

might have made an active choice to remove language from

Xhafer:

the public school curriculum.

Laura:

Oh, no.

Xhafer:

the only thing that makes sense to me is that no one is still around

Xhafer:

from the old time where they would have someone who remembered to read.

Xhafer:

Except for these two people.

Xhafer:

Keita theoretically too young to have learned.

Xhafer:

Never taught

Laura:

possibly.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Especially if your people are immortal, you might not prioritize reading

Xhafer:

in the first six to eight years of life.

Xhafer:

I don't know how old she is when we first.

Laura:

Yeah,

Xhafer:

about that young and also we don't know how their

Xhafer:

aging works cuz it's so extended.

Xhafer:

Their brain development might be really funky.

Xhafer:

So who knows?

Xhafer:

She could have been 400, but effectively in the mind of a three-year-old,

Xhafer:

we, we, we just don't know.

Xhafer:

But there had to have been either no survivors of that could read

Xhafer:

for whatever reason, which means that besides being technologically

Xhafer:

advanced, they were incredibly oppress.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

uh,.

Xhafer:

But that also doesn't really make a lot of sense to me because you wouldn't

Xhafer:

have language everywhere for people.

Xhafer:

You wouldn't have road signs if no one, if, if, as a culture you didn't read.

Laura:

Right.

Xhafer:

I don't know.

Xhafer:

There's a handful of things.

Xhafer:

It just doesn't seem right with me.

Xhafer:

I think this is, this was a decision that was made.

Xhafer:

To not have written language much more so than a, oops, we all forgot how to read.

Laura:

Yes.

Laura:

it's, it's gotta be deliberate at that point, right?

Xhafer:

Yeah, I dunno.

Xhafer:

Maybe you lose all the books when you're underwater.

Xhafer:

I don't know.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

, they all got waterlogged.

Laura:

They were, they were in the wrong boat.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

So also we.

Laura:

We've seen Helga and Rourke talking a little bit in the background

Laura:

before we get Milo and Princess Keita talking to each other.

Laura:

That it kind of gives us a, a bad feel

Xhafer:

yeah, they've got a bunch of dudes with gas masks on, . For some reason,

Laura:

Uhhuh

Xhafer:

It's not a good look.

Xhafer:

They, they look very German soldier world War I era, and it's not a good feeling.

Xhafer:

It

Laura:

Uhhuh

Xhafer:

very convenient

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

So uh, Milo mansplain the shark motorcycle thing

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

and also tries to whiten up her name.

Xhafer:

Typical, like you've been studying this language your whole life, and

Xhafer:

she throws five syllables at you, and you're like, that's too many.

Xhafer:

Fuck you dude.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

hell.

Xhafer:

Keita takes Milo for a swim so he can translate what turns out to

Xhafer:

be a written history of the city

Laura:

mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

while the party shows their true colors.

Xhafer:

All any of them care about is money and they're gonna take the heart of Atlantis.

Laura:

Yep.

Laura:

. And at this point I'm kind of wondering, and maybe it's

Laura:

clearer to you, was this Mr.

Laura:

Whitmore's plan or is this just their plan?

Xhafer:

Well, knowing that Mr.

Xhafer:

Whitmore is so obscenely rich that he makes bill Gates look like a popper.

Xhafer:

Yeah, I think it's totally his plan because you do not get to be that wealthy

Xhafer:

without exploitation at a very basic day-to-day level, minute by minute.

Laura:

I think the other like plot point that speaks to that is that

Laura:

Milo was totally blindsided by Mr.

Laura:

Whitmore

Laura:

and had not, Never had heard of them.

Laura:

They're supposed to be, you know, they were the bestest of friends and he sees

Laura:

pictures of his grandfather with Mr.

Laura:

Whitmore.

Laura:

He's got evidence, he's got the proof, but Milo hadn't heard of him.

Laura:

So perhaps there was a falling out for some reason.

Xhafer:

I would definitely think there is.

Xhafer:

And I think we hear that reason because even the the captain

Xhafer:

says, I wish you weren't such an idealist like your grandfather.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

So,

Laura:

Did the captain say if he was on the first expedition

Laura:

that Thaddeus went on?

Xhafer:

they're, I don't, I believe so.

Xhafer:

They all knew him.

Xhafer:

Most of them knew him.

Xhafer:

At least there was some kind of low key hinting that these people

Xhafer:

might have been responsible for his grandfather's death even.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

They don't come out and say it, but it's kind of hinted at here and there.

Xhafer:

When they talk about like the last mission with him and stuff, it's kind of shady.

Xhafer:

So I would not be shocked to find out that was the case or if that's a deleted

Xhafer:

scene I didn't watch or something.

Laura:

yeah, There's a lot of beats going on in this movie,

Xhafer:

I'm assuming Atlantis fans call the Midians.

Xhafer:

So if you're, if you're a hardcore atlantian, get in our discord and

Xhafer:

tell me all the stuff I didn't bother to read on the internet.

Laura:

This is your moment.

Laura:

Now's your

Xhafer:

right?

Xhafer:

You, you've been waiting 20 years to talk more about this movie.

Xhafer:

It's time uh, they run into the king's chamber.

Xhafer:

Threats thrown around.

Xhafer:

And then they find the crystal chamber.

Xhafer:

The captain solves the very rudimentary riddle

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

This is not a riddle, guys.

Xhafer:

This is a riddle if you're eight

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Uh, And the the crystal possesses slash abducts kek

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

and uh, she kind of becomes this ghost.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

I'm not clear why this, this very powerful crystal that possesses this

Laura:

woman just decides to go with everybody.

Laura:

Who's the bad guys?

Xhafer:

Right.

Xhafer:

She's clearly incredibly powerful at this point, and she's just all like, oh, you

Xhafer:

want me to get in this iron coffin thing?

Xhafer:

Sure.

Xhafer:

Jumping in,

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Why?

Laura:

Why do we wanna go with these people?

Laura:

Is the

Laura:

crystal just

Laura:

done with it at

Xhafer:

this thing

Xhafer:

is also insane.

Xhafer:

How do you have this thing hanging out?

Laura:

How did Milo never notice this thing?

Laura:

Like they've been losing supplies left and right, like throughout the whole thing.

Laura:

And you know, we've been having to presumably move things

Laura:

from vehicle to vehicle like

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

I mean the giant barrel thing that the hot air balloon comes out of, at least

Xhafer:

is like in the first couple of scenes.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Okay.

Xhafer:

We see both the model of the hot air balloon next to the

Xhafer:

submarine in the very beginning.

Xhafer:

And then we also have, when they're loading everything into the giant

Xhafer:

submarine, we see the giant barrel thing.

Xhafer:

Cuz I saw that and it was just all like, is that beer for the trip?

Xhafer:

What the hell?

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

. Well, we had a ton of people.

Laura:

We need a lot of beer.

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

But this thing kind of comes outta nowhere.

Xhafer:

Milo gives everyone the shit they deserve, and a handful of them

Xhafer:

finally decide to cave a little.

Xhafer:

As the captain and commander leave behind and they destroy the rope

Xhafer:

bridge on their way to the caves

Laura:

If Michael J.

Laura:

Fox gives me this rousing, you're all shit for doing this speech.

Laura:

I'm probably feeling pretty bad.

Laura:

He's very good at this

Xhafer:

he is.

Xhafer:

Just like in our next scene, Leonard Nemoy is very good at giving a bunch

Xhafer:

of exposition right before he dies.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

. Do you think he got that from Star Trek?

Xhafer:

I think he's all like, you know what?

Xhafer:

I would've changed in that scene with the Tube.

Xhafer:

I think I would've told Kirk that he needed to take McCoy

Xhafer:

to Vulcan for the thing.

Xhafer:

That's one the one thing I would've changed.

Xhafer:

I'm gonna correct that this time and just go tell Milo.

Xhafer:

He's gotta go full on white savior and save the Atlantian people.

Laura:

Yes

Xhafer:

uh,

Xhafer:

he gets a bunch of their old ships and a bunch of.

Xhafer:

Appropriately aged warrior people from Atlantis, in addition to the crew who

Xhafer:

has decided to stay behind to help, and they get on all of these old vehicles

Xhafer:

that can fly and chase down the captain.

Laura:

These things are fun.

Laura:

I love how we've got different types of fish and, you know,

Laura:

sea creatures and stuff.

Xhafer:

Yeah, because Atlantis, it's in the water.

Laura:

And we gotta show off all this, you know, pseudo c g

Laura:

I we're doing, it's, it's great.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

And we, they chase them till we get to the big climatic battle

Xhafer:

where for some reason nobody tries to puncture this balloon until

Xhafer:

Claudia Christian gets betrayed.

Xhafer:

This is mind balloon to me.

Xhafer:

It's a hot air balloon.

Xhafer:

These things are famous for going B, just blowing up, right?

Laura:

It's the main vulnerability.

Xhafer:

You've got lightning beams, you've got guns.

Xhafer:

There's all kinds of fire, there's dynamite going off.

Xhafer:

There's all kinds of explosions and no one thought to just aim it a little

Xhafer:

up, it's just, it's a giant hot air balloon that's weirdly dick shaped.

Xhafer:

Just gonna Disney.

Xhafer:

You got a problem?

Xhafer:

yeah.

Laura:

it, it tracks with history, I think.

Xhafer:

It was the inspiration for Blue Ocean this whole time.

Xhafer:

We had no idea that that was Jeff Bezos, a spaceship, right?

Xhafer:

Blew something.

Xhafer:

I don't

Xhafer:

remember.

Laura:

blue.

Laura:

It's

Xhafer:

not.

Xhafer:

It's not worth remembering.

Xhafer:

Fuck that guy.

Laura:

Yeah, I, I love that Claudia Christian is like the

Laura:

most competent character in this.

Xhafer:

By leagues?

Laura:

Again, typecasting.

Laura:

I think that she is also one of the, arguably the most

Laura:

competent on Babylon five.

Laura:

I think that that is an a defensible position, and again, , she's

Laura:

been typecast in this movie,

Xhafer:

Yeah, no, for sure.

Xhafer:

She's the most, like, who would even stand a chance, not.

Xhafer:

Garabaldi can cross him right off first.

Xhafer:

Franklin is very smart, but make some very dumb decisions continuously, especially

Xhafer:

with where we're at in this story.

Laura:

yeah.

Laura:

He's classic, smart person that doesn't have the sense.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Right.

Laura:

Got

Xhafer:

Sheridan is all bravado, just pure bravado.

Laura:

Yes.

Xhafer:

And Sinclair.

Xhafer:

Sinclair was competent.

Laura:

Uhhuh,

Xhafer:

Len Del Len makes a bunch of mistakes though

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Not really

Laura:

Mm.

Laura:

? Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

um, not

Laura:

Maybe you could argue for Yeah.

Laura:

For maybe the assistance and that they

Laura:

stay out

Xhafer:

Lanier.

Xhafer:

Yeah, maybe Lanier is more competent, but his scope of duties is very

Xhafer:

different, so it's hard to say.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Can't compare that apple to that orange for sure.

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

Anyways we got a little bit of lip service when they were in the volcano

Xhafer:

the first time about how they had nothing to worry about as far as it erupting

Xhafer:

unless there was a very large explosion, which we have to suddenly remember when

Xhafer:

the giant hydrogen balloon explodes.

Laura:

known for causing large explosions.

Laura:

Indeed,

Xhafer:

Famous for even.

Laura:

Okay.

Laura:

The volcano starts to erupt.

Xhafer:

Yep.

Xhafer:

And our heroes returned to the city with the princess just in time for her to

Xhafer:

summon the iron Giant to save the day.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

I know that just listening to that clip is gonna make someone

Xhafer:

who listens to this podcast cry and I am almost sorry about it.

Xhafer:

I wish I was sorry about it, but I'm not I almost cried finding it and

Xhafer:

calling it out to be placed right there so you're not alone, but.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

After this the city is saved.

Xhafer:

Uh, All the robots formed this giant wall like we saw in the very beginning

Xhafer:

of the scene when the city was subsumed by water in the first place.

Xhafer:

Keita returns with her mother's necklace.

Xhafer:

As the the group gets ready to leave, Milo decides to stay behind

Xhafer:

to teach these people their written.

Xhafer:

And the party returns to Mr.

Xhafer:

Whitmore, who they're all like super wealthy now, and they're like,

Xhafer:

oh yeah, we didn't find anything.

Xhafer:

Nothing happened as they load up all this golden stuff from Atlantis.

Xhafer:

But Milo gives him a crystal so that he can live forever.

Xhafer:

This is a bad idea.

Xhafer:

He's the 1e-05%.

Xhafer:

Milo, eat the rich.

Xhafer:

Come on.

Laura:

Yeah, that makes you wonder because I know there is a sequel to this movie.

Laura:

Is Whitmore back?

Xhafer:

I, I know nothing about the sequel besides, they have a map

Xhafer:

that shows us where Atlantis is and the plot of it is Milo returning to

Xhafer:

Atlantis, which given he doesn't leave at the end of this one, I got nothing.

Laura:

I have not looked up the sequel to this movie.

Laura:

Maybe someday not today.

Xhafer:

You will get me to watch it before Chu two

Laura:

Battlestar movie Break.

Laura:

Atlan two

Xhafer:

We get Milo Keita adding a statue of her dad to

Xhafer:

the rest of the former king's.

Xhafer:

Which given it seems like the women are the ones who always save the society.

Laura:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

choice, maybe a

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Hey,

Xhafer:

but hey, it's, it's Leonard Nemoy, so, I mean, I guess I get it.

Laura:

Yeah, I mean, he is pretty great.

Laura:

I, all right, it's

Laura:

fine.

Laura:

This

Laura:

time.

Xhafer:

They climb up a thing holding hands because his decision to stay here

Xhafer:

and live forever after knowing her for less than 24 hours is totally sound.

Laura:

Not weird at all.

Laura:

Very Disney Well, Jafer, what did you think of this movie?

Xhafer:

I think this movie made me too angry and I was doing math.

Xhafer:

Uh, But it wasn't besides the, the utter ridiculousness of the spectacle,

Xhafer:

There are were definitely worse ways to spend three hours including

Xhafer:

pause and note time, which is what took me to get through this thing.

Laura:

Right.

Laura:

Of course

Xhafer:

But yeah it might have been better if I had not been stopping all

Xhafer:

of the time to walk up to my TV and put my fingers up against the screen

Xhafer:

and go, okay, this, this, this, this.

Xhafer:

It might have been better if I didn't spend time adjusting

Xhafer:

for inflation on dollar values.

Xhafer:

Those I will accept the onus of my opinion for.

Xhafer:

So it's hard to say it was.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

Disney movies go I don't particularly think

Xhafer:

any of them are that good.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

I think a lot of it for a lot of people, and if you enjoy Disney,

Xhafer:

I'm not yucking, you're yums here.

Xhafer:

I just think in my personal experience, I feel a lot of that enjoyment

Xhafer:

is nostalgia, which is something that's cool and fun to enjoy.

Xhafer:

Like straight up, I, yesterday I was talking to three of my former.

Xhafer:

and we're gonna go back to one of their parents' basements and play

Xhafer:

video games like we used to do in high school all the time and get a

Xhafer:

nostalgia high like , even though it's been well over 20 years So like I'm not

Xhafer:

yucking nostalgia, like if it's there for you and you enjoy it, enjoy it.

Xhafer:

I just don't have any of those feelings.

Xhafer:

I can only see this through the eyes of my 30 something year

Xhafer:

old self and not the eyes of a.

Xhafer:

Which would probably be a much more enjoyable film.

Laura:

Yeah, I think that for me this movie was, you know, I

Laura:

did see it when I was younger.

Laura:

I just don't remember how young, I don't remember exactly when I saw it.

Laura:

But it kind of got to that point where storytelling was doing this thing

Laura:

where we were telling things very fast.

Laura:

And you do have to be able to suspend a lot of disbelief in

Laura:

order to watch this as an adult.

Laura:

And it's kind of hard to keep up with all the, the points and beats in it.

Laura:

If you look away for a second, it's like, wait, what happened now?

Laura:

Where, how are we here?

Laura:

You know,

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

This plot moves the, it's trucking.

Xhafer:

They got a lot to do.

Xhafer:

There's a lot of

Xhafer:

montages.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

Yeah.

Laura:

And that's not my favorite kind of story.

Laura:

Maybe because I just, I'm, my brain doesn't keep up with it very well.

Laura:

. So I like something I can follow.

Laura:

And I, sometimes I need a little time to process.

Laura:

I was that kid that when I was watching movies with my dad, I would

Laura:

ask him like, wait, who is this?

Laura:

What's happening?

Laura:

And he gets so mad cuz he's like, just watch the movie.

Laura:

But I couldn't follow stuff.

Laura:

And I, I definitely felt that sort of feeling with this movie, so I'm

Laura:

like, I guess I can kind of see that critic, critic rating that you

Laura:

talked about on Rotten Tomatoes.

Laura:

So,

Laura:

yep.

Laura:

But it's a fun time.

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Xhafer:

There, some of the, some of the reviews were very

Laura:

Yeah,

Laura:

I could see that.

Laura:

It's very pretty.

Laura:

I mean, the animation is really nice, the

Xhafer:

Yeah.

Laura:

that straddle between.

Laura:

That traditional animation and now we're adding some more CGI things.

Laura:

That was pretty cool at the time.

Xhafer:

Which is referenced in one of the reviews, which I'm paraphrasing a

Xhafer:

little bit cuz I didn't write it down.

Xhafer:

But it said something along the lines of this is what happens when you have

Xhafer:

art where you master craft without dream

Xhafer:

is

Xhafer:

brutal .Just like there's no purpose or anything.

Xhafer:

It's just pretty for the sake of being.

Xhafer:

but it doesn't

Laura:

right?

Laura:

Perhaps the studio was focused on, you know, technology and

Laura:

how pretty can we make it?

Laura:

And they ignored some like foundational points of storytelling.

Xhafer:

Yep.

Laura:

I interpret that.

Laura:

Review.

Xhafer:

And I mean, this is, you know, kind of a foray into c g I

Xhafer:

for Disney before they bought Pixar.

Laura:

Uhhuh.

Laura:

. Yep.

Xhafer:

So that's a whole thing too, is Pixar just came in and

Xhafer:

filled that niche very quickly

Xhafer:

shortly after this.

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

So,

Xhafer:

alright.

Laura:

Well

Laura:

next week we're

Laura:

gonna get back to it.

Xhafer:

yeah, we got Babylon five, season three episode 12.

Xhafer:

Sick Transit Veer,

Laura:

Yay.

Xhafer:

uh, veer causes controversy by aiding the narn without authorization.

Xhafer:

He also meets his fiance for the first time.

Laura:

Oh, no.

Xhafer:

And uh, Sheridan has a romantic dinner with.

Laura:

Aw.

Laura:

This just sounds like a delight all around

Xhafer:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

. I, I will note here, by the way since this is the end of HBO Max as we're recording

Xhafer:

this, it's off the air in a couple of days, the Babylon five will be taken down.

Xhafer:

But I did have time to check and the H v O max descriptions and the voodoo

Xhafer:

descriptions are exactly the same.

Xhafer:

I went back and checked like 10 episodes, every single one of them exactly the same.

Xhafer:

So I don't know if you checked on iTunes or figured out how

Xhafer:

you're gonna watching the show

Laura:

I, I am gonna continue on iTunes.

Laura:

I have not checked to see if the descriptions are different,

Laura:

but that'll be a fun comparison.

Laura:

We can do

Xhafer:

Yes, assuming that they're also not the same, which they might be.

Xhafer:

We'll find

Xhafer:

out, I guess next week when we talk about season three episode thirteens preview,

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Xhafer:

then.

Laura:

looking forward to it.

Xhafer:

But until then, Let's go ahead and say thank you to Jeremy

Xhafer:

Siegel for our lovely theme music.

Xhafer:

Thank you, Jeremy.

Xhafer:

You can find more of his work at Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com.

Laura:

And thank you to angry Duck time machine on Instagram

Laura:

for our podcast artwork,

Xhafer:

And go ahead and hit us up on our discord social media.

Xhafer:

That's stuff we're on Facebook and Twitter.

Xhafer:

And by on Twitter, I mean, I open it once a week to see mentions from other

Xhafer:

Babylon five podcasts and communicate with the League of Non-Aligned Podcasts.

Xhafer:

But besides that, Twitter is dead to me.

Xhafer:

Uh, But our Facebook is around.

Xhafer:

We don't do a lot there, but if you shoot us a message on there,

Xhafer:

we'll for sure get back to you.

Xhafer:

Where we're mostly active is our discord uh, where there's usually

Xhafer:

a conversation going and people are hanging out and talking about

Xhafer:

Babylon five and other stuff.

Xhafer:

And it's a great

Laura:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

very cool people.

Xhafer:

and and thanks Aaron for editing our podcast.

Xhafer:

We appreciate you.

Laura:

really do.

Laura:

All right.

Xhafer:

All

Xhafer:

right.

Xhafer:

We'll see you next week

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.