Episode 148

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Published on:

30th Oct 2024

B5 Book Club 4 - Londoing All Over the Place

Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers, as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

It's the final B5 book club, and it's all Londo all the time! Laura and Xhafer compare their past and present impressions of B5: Legions of Fire (The Centauri Prime Trilogy).

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Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is the Babylon 5 Watchcast

hosted by two former strangers.

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Now friends who've gotten to know

each other while we're watching a

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favorite show from their childhood.

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I'm Jafar

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and it's been a while.

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Laura: It has been a while, and I

was just thinking, it's, we're gonna

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have to change up that intro soon.

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Xhafer: I almost, I stopped like that.

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That pause was not a dramatic pause.

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That was a, Oh my God, I'm going

to say this two more times.

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Pause.

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Laura: Man, two more times?

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Really?

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That's it?

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Xhafer: have lost tales

and we have our recap.

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I think that's it.

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Laura: Man, Ja'far goes on

vacation, and the show's over.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Is this an anniversary up?

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Holy shit.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is crazy.

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Xhafer: We did it two years.

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Holy shit.

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Laura: two years, or is it three?

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Xhafer: to 24, three years anniversary.

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Fuck!

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We've been recording this

podcast for three years.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Oh my fucking god.

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Oh wow, okay.

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Wow.

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Time needs to slow the fuck down.

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It has been

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Laura: It does.

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Xhafer: We will We, I mean, it'll

probably be a little bit more appropriate

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to wax poetic on this in two episodes.

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Laura: Yeah, for sure.

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Xhafer: we have an episode

dedicated to that exact thing.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: in acknowledgement of

the anniversary is worthwhile.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We decided we were going to make

this a sort of a mini PowerPoint

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episode, except there's no.

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PowerPoint for you guys

out there, listener.

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I'm so sorry,

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Xhafer: Well, I also just didn't make one,

so there's no PowerPoint for you either.

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Laura.

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Laura: that's right.

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But you're going to do it

PowerPoint style, right?

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I'm going to give you a

little, like, there's my drink.

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Xhafer: Nice.

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yeah, I uh, I spent the last two

hours on a technical call and no,

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no, no, not, not work related.

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Uh, the, uh, the fan project that

I'm helping do dev work for database

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planning for future data set stuff

is, is very engaging and super fun.

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But I was drinking beers during that.

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And uh, now I have a glass of Groitka,

which is a sour cherry liqueur that I

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Laura: that sounds nice.

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Xhafer: Prague and then carried with me.

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And I do mean carried like a child

in my arms from Prague through

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Amsterdam, back home into the United

States on the tail end of my trip, I

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was gone in Europe for three weeks.

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Um, which was awesome.

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I had a great time.

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Laura: awesome.

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Xhafer: I posted a ton of

pictures on the Facebook.

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Um, I should post some

pictures in the discord for

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Laura: The choicest

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Xhafer: The choices ones.

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I, I had to give a little like

presentation at work about my trip.

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I have a, I have a team meeting every

other week with all the people who

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work in data at the company and they

wanted to fill it out and I was the

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most recent person to go on vacation.

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So,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Everyone on the team is super

introverted, but me and, and my, my direct

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boss, everyone else is very introverted.

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And so everyone will

go on these vacations.

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They're like, here's a picture of

my sister's wedding that I spent

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three weeks in India for and stuff.

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You know, it's just like a picture.

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And so I rolled up with like a slideshow.

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Um, it's like, I think I brought

like 30 or 40 pictures of the 500.

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Some that I took,

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Laura: that's the way to go.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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I'll put some in the discord.

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I've got, I got some set aside.

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it was a lovely trip on which I read the

trilogy, the Centauri trilogy, which is

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what we're supposed to talk about today.

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I could not find a good

synopsis for these books online.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: a shame because

I didn't take notes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We were struggling with.

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The other one's a little bit

too, I think, that there's not

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a lot of synopses out there.

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There's not a lot of

chatter about these books.

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Somebody needs to get on that.

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Xhafer: There was a thread on the gray 17

Facebook about these books the other day

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Laura: Oh, really?

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Xhafer: a lot of people over there

really liked them, which is why I'm

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not afraid to say, because there's not

a lot of overlap in our viewership.

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I did not like these books.

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Laura: Oh, no!

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So, listener, listener, I will spoil.

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for you that I am a PhD student and

I have only read the things that I

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absolutely have to read and not even

all of those in the last few weeks.

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Um, so I did not get to

read these books again.

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I have read these books a long time

ago, but I remembered liking them.

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Xhafer: So I have a couple of

issues with a couple of things.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Overall, they're not bad.

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Peter David is a really good

job of capturing Lando's voice

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Laura: for

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Xhafer: a hundred percent.

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That's the, that is the highlight

of the books, all three.

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If you want nothing else, but more

Lando in your life, these books

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will deliver it to you in spades.

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Laura: I think that might be part

of why they are beloved over on

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that thread in Grace 17 is people

love Londo and they miss Londo.

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Which, yeah, Wando's not necessarily

a good guy, but oh well, he's

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Xhafer: He does suffer a

great deal in these books.

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Laura: That's true.

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I do remember that.

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And I, so I did read part of the

first one just many, many weeks ago

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before I started the PhD program.

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Xhafer: The first two chapters

of the first book are the best

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two chapters of any of the books.

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Laura: Oh no.

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Xhafer: Like the first, there's a prologue

and chapter one of the book and the

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prologue is Lando acquiring the keeper

told from the point of view of the keeper.

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then chapter one is Lando acquiring the

keeper from the point of view of Lando.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: two chapters in the books,

hands down, not even a question.

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Laura: it's that episode where,

where it happens in the show,

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like that's the moment we're at.

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It's not like we're starting at

something, you know, not in Babylon

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five, just, you know, very, adjacent.

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It is that moment in Babylon 5.

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Xhafer: So I'm going to give you a

quick little like overview of some

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stuff that happens in these books.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um, we have a crusade

character reoccurring.

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Laura: But it's not Lockley, right?

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Xhafer: have no, they're

actually reoccurring.

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Uh, We have a minor character, a minor

beloved character from Babylon five die.

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Laura: Oh, no

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Xhafer: we have the term her breasts

heaving applied to a 14 year old

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Laura: no, no.

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so in the first book, Londo sort

of adopts a orphan of the uh,

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Alliance attack or whatever.

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And her name is Senna, I think.

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Xhafer: Senna.

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We actually see her.

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She's in the Gathering movie.

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Laura: That's right.

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She's got the children.

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Xhafer: got the children

who are Jado's kids.

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Yeah.

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Urza Jado's kids, which is the

guy Lando kills in the sword

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fight and season one or two,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: they're like his grandkids.

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Those are the kids that are

running around the palace.

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Laura: Yeah, is Senna one of his children,

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Xhafer: Senna is the

daughter of Lord Rifa.

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Laura: Oh, that's right.

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That's right.

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Okay.

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so he has some guilt there and adopts her.

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Xhafer: So yeah, that's

pretty early on in the books.

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The books are

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Laura: Yikes!

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Please don't leave breasts on 14 year

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Xhafer: I remember reading that

and just setting the book down

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and just being all like, is this

book going to ruin my vacation?

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And the answer was no.

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Um, and the next time that character

was overtly and needlessly sexualized,

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she was at least like probably 17 or 18.

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It's a little murky on the timeframes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: to be fair, she might not

have been 14 at that point in the

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book, because the book's all like it

covers this many years and you don't

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Laura: And you don't know where you're at.

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Xhafer: so she might've been.

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Sixteen when that happened,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: great.

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I literally, it's just like,

she's described as like a

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child for most of this book.

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And then just out of nowhere,

there was literally like she's

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running down a hallway and it's

literally her breasts heaving.

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And I'm just all like, I

can't get that out of my head.

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Why is that

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Laura: A child is panting,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's disgusting.

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I was so upset.

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Okay.

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So, Lando, right.

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It's all told in this framing

device, which is very like the

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end of Lord of the Rings, but

spread out throughout the books.

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Um, which is, it's the memoirs of

Emperor Lando Mallari collected

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and notarized by Emperor Vir Kodo.

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And then it's.

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Earth edition and everything's

put in earth time, which

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Laura: Uh, yeah.

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Xhafer: a nice touch.

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Laura: You need to do that.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, that was fun.

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There's a lots of little fun

stuff in these books, admittedly.

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Um,

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Laura: of Lord of the Rings,

today is also October the 24th.

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Xhafer: yes, it is.

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It was 10 AM.

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It's almost 10 PM as of

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Laura: Speaking of this

particular problem.

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Xhafer: Yeah so like these books

do a very good job of capturing the

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characters that we know, taking them

through things really good job with

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their voices books do a very bad job of

having a plot that I give a fuck about.

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Laura: Oh no.

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Xhafer: so Lando gets his keeper, right?

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Adopts Senna and he's got this

guard, who's named Durla, right?

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Who's like a pain in the ass.

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And Durla is very quickly promoted

to minister of internal affairs

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Laura: Yeah.

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The,

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Xhafer: at the behest

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of the

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Laura: him pliable.

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Xhafer: And so we find out that

Durla's childhood sweetheart

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is Lando's ex wife, Mariel.

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Laura: Oh no.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: We, we see Mariel and T'moth

are both major players in these books.

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Um, no D'gar, not in the books at all.

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She's referenced a couple of times.

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Um, just like, Lando talks about

how his wives were three of

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the horsemen of the apocalypse.

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This is like a conversation Durla

has with another Centauri minister

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without Lando present at some point

and makes the joke that Lando was war.

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Like just like the fun part of

that was that it was unspoken.

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Okay.

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There's lots of stuff like that

where it's just all like, Oh,

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that's a fun reference to the show.

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But also by referencing that part of

the show, you're just fan servicing me.

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And I'm not interested in that.

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I'm interested in a plot.

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Which I didn't really get.

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So Durla gets promoted to minister

of internal affairs and proceeds

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to just fuck up all kinds of stuff.

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Um, he's got his own agenda and

he is effectively the main villain

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of the story for all three books.

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Um, he eventually becomes

Lando's prime minister.

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Um, he keeps getting promoted.

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He's very xenophobic.

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And leans in a lot with that.

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He's got like this buddy who

starts this religion, like this

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religious fervor on Centauri Prime.

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That's also a very isolationist.

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Centauri's are the best.

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Everyone else sucks.

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We're made in the image

of the great maker.

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Everyone else blows trunks.

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Laura: It's the fascist playbook.

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Mm

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Xhafer: hundred percent.

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It's the fascist playbook.

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And the, I think my problem with

these books, putting it in that frame

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is that they don't do as good or as

subtle a job as the show did, which

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I mean, there's a lot more runway in

seasons of TV compared to three novels.

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Laura: sure.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Also like he's already

the emperor, like they're not

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exactly a not fascist society.

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Like Lando can just have people

killed whenever he wants.

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And everyone just has to deal with that.

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Um, which is like the only power

he has, he signs off on laws

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and he threatens to kill people.

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It's like the only stuff Lando ever does

politically with the position of emperor.

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so yeah, we get all that.

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Durla manipulated by the Drakh uh, starts

digging on this super distant planet

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where a bunch of the miners end up dying,

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it ends up being a, like, shadow gateway.

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It, it sounded very third spacey, but

it led to like a pocket of like shadow

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stuff instead of third space stuff.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Instead of even worse space

villain, unknowable horror.

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Xhafer: Um, and they end up like

veer is guided by these two, well,

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these three, but one of them dies

very early techno major initiates.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: full Technomages, right?

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They're like little baby Technomages,

and they're in this like little

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Technomage cabal learning to

do their Technomage stuff.

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So they're not like, I am Gandalf,

like Galen gets sometimes.

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We do find out that they

all report to Galen though.

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And Galen is a reoccurring

character in these books.

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Laura: oh, I was kind of hoping for

a second that you were going to say

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Doreena was one of the initiates

and I was going to be like, yeah.

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Xhafer: fun.

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This takes place before all of that

though, because the WEP, the planet killer

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that the drug used to attack earth is

uncovered through this Centauri dugout

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gateway that they dig out for the truck.

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And there were three planet

killers and this like shadow thing

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that built the planet killers.

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: Galen destroys all of it,

but a planet killer, just himself.

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Yeah, yeah, just like

spell of destructions.

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You shall not passes it.

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Laura: but no, I mean like, did

he kill all of them on, except

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did he leave one on purpose or,

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Xhafer: no, it got away

before he could do the thing.

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And he's like with bumbling

Veer for all of this.

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Veer hangs out with Technomages for

like a solid 20 percent of these books.

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Laura: That's what this

spinoff should have been.

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Xhafer: You know, like you say that,

but you didn't read these books.

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And it's mostly Technomages being cryptic

and Veer complaining about them being

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cryptic, and then them calling him

a bumbling idiot, and he's all like,

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well I'm alive, fuck off, you need me.

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And a lot of that is just like

It's fun for the first 10 pages,

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Laura: Yeah.

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You can't do that for the whole

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Xhafer: and then it's Tom Clancy

describing drapes in an, in an

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embassy in Rainbow Six all over

again, where it's just like, why

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are we continuing to do this?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and it's just, they keep

coming back, their main characters,

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these Technomage initiates,

they just keep showing up.

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They save fear's life like 20 times.

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Laura: Well, Veer's a man

whose life needs saving a

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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but we find out that the Drak had planned

on using the virus to kill the Mimbari.

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Laura: Oh, interesting.

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Plot twist.

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Xhafer: So when they destroy the

planet killer, the plan was to blow

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up earth with the planet killer and

then send after all the, all the

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Alliance fleet was there dealing with

the planet killer to spend, send the

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virus ships to Minbar and fuck Minbar.

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Laura: So then they just like aborted when

the planet killer is uh, destroyed and

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to go ahead and just dump the virus ships

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Xhafer: Yeah, well, they're already

there and we're going to kill the humans

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because John Sheridan's people were

the target earth needed to be punished.

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John Sheridan needed to be punished

for pushing the shadows away because

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he's the one who told them to

get the hell out of their galaxy.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Right.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Um, so we learned all that stuff.

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Galen's around a ton.

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That's most of book one.

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Where's book two pick

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Laura: So what is, what is uh,

Marielle's deal in the first book?

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Like, I had gotten to the

point where she, like, shows up

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Xhafer: she,

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Laura: her purpose?

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Xhafer: shows up, as a spy, right.

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And.

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And so she works for the new spy, the,

the Centauri KGB or whatever, right?

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Laura: Yeah, Yeah,

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I remember so Durla ropes her

in and he uses his like, um,

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what was the young Nazis group?

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Xhafer: are the Hitler youth

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Laura: Yeah, that's it.

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They're basically the Hitler

youth of Centauri Prime.

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He uses one of his his

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Xhafer: at one point, Garibaldi shows

up and straight up calls them the Hitler

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Laura: He's like in case you couldn't

tell These are the Hitler youth

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Xhafer: by the by.

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Laura: We probably didn't need that

Peter David, I think we still I still

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Xhafer: I mean, you say that,

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Laura: Some people don't.

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I know.

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Xhafer: lack the reasoning

to follow along what's very

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obvious.

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Laura: That's true.

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But she's like destitute.

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Her divorce from Londo has

left her like super broke.

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She's like contemplating ending her

own life, I think, when this kid

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shows up and she decides to play

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Xhafer: Yep.

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So she becomes a spy.

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Um, she ends up getting into

a relationship with Veer.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Oh, no, not, poor Vier, no.

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He's already had the bad

Nazi lady relationship.

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Xhafer: straight up using him

and his position as ambassador

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on Babylon 5, but then.

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Galen interferes and uses the 14

words to make someone love you

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to make her love Veer undyingly

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and Veer is tortured with this because

he knows that the relationship was a

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facade at this point and that he was

being used and so he like kind of out

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of bitterness is like, well, you've been

using me, so I guess I'm going to use

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you and then like the weight of what

he has done to her because she's just

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brainwashed to love him uncontrollably.

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Now,

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Laura: Oh, no.

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Vier!

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Xhafer: It's super grody.

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Like, I mean, it's, it is super

grody and it's written super grody.

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Like it's not a thing where it's

all like, Oh, and now Vier's using

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her and turnabout is fair play.

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That is not how it's written.

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Listener.

413

:

It is written where Vier

is filled with guilt over.

414

:

Brainwashing this person to love him

and all of the consequences of that.

415

:

Um, they stopped being physically

intimate because of it, because

416

:

it feels rapey to him as it

417

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

418

:

Xhafer: Um,

419

:

Laura: Did he use the words

on her, or Galen used the

420

:

Xhafer: Galen used the words on her to

make him love her to make her love him.

421

:

Laura: Yeah, all of it is bad though.

422

:

Xhafer: Yes.

423

:

It's terrible.

424

:

Yeah.

425

:

Um, so much show that she completely

loses all agency as a character

426

:

throughout the rest of the novels.

427

:

Laura: go figure.

428

:

Xhafer: Right?

429

:

So another reason to hate these books.

430

:

Laura: Yeah.

431

:

Xhafer: and it's like, she

ends up, like Veer ends up

432

:

persuading her to go marry Durla.

433

:

Like, they set up this thing

where, yeah, no, the face you're

434

:

making is the correct face.

435

:

Um, he's all like, you need to go spy

on Durla for me and get close to him

436

:

so you're gonna be married to him.

437

:

And she's all like,

whatever you need, Veer.

438

:

I know that you'll come

back and save me one day.

439

:

Right?

440

:

And all this shit.

441

:

And he like has a card game

with Durla where he bets her

442

:

and, and loses on purpose.

443

:

Yeah.

444

:

Laura: chance to do something.

445

:

Peter David and you did none of it.

446

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

447

:

So while all this is going on

there Durla is like building up the

448

:

Centauri military, which is a big

no, no from the Alliance, right?

449

:

They're not happy about it.

450

:

And so they send Garibaldi, Jakar.

451

:

Laura: Oh yeah.

452

:

That'll that's a good idea.

453

:

That'll work.

454

:

Okay.

455

:

Xhafer: And Lou Welch.

456

:

Laura: What?

457

:

Xhafer: So Lou

458

:

Laura: Oh, well, it's just

the one who's going to die.

459

:

Xhafer: a hundred percent Lou Welch dies.

460

:

Um, so Lou Welch at some point goes

and becomes a private investigator,

461

:

graduate of the Garibaldi home school

security school, a hundred percent.

462

:

Taught him everything he knows.

463

:

I put a little quote about

it on the discord, I believe.

464

:

Um, and at some point Lou Welch found

a chameleon suit, which is the thing

465

:

that lets you be invisible, right?

466

:

It was in an episode in like season

three or season four, whatever.

467

:

Um,

468

:

so he has one of these for some reason

469

:

Laura: Cool.

470

:

Xhafer: is using it as a

private investigator, right?

471

:

And so.

472

:

Yeah, so they're on Centauri Prime,

he's like, spying on the Hitler Youth,

473

:

and there's like a Drak in the room

who recognizes what the fuck is going

474

:

on, turns off the chameleon field.

475

:

Well, just like standing there as a human,

a bunch of bunks like Hitler youth elders.

476

:

They're all like 17 or 18

and they beat him to death.

477

:

Like one of the dudes who's

like Londo's guard or whatever,

478

:

just snaps his fucking neck.

479

:

Right.

480

:

Veer

481

:

ends up killing that dude as revenge

for Garibaldi uh, because there's

482

:

a whole set of, there's like a

reoccurring thing is all like, there's

483

:

all this shit in Centauri Prime

and Veer's all like, I'm going to

484

:

tell you Garibaldi and you can tell

Sheridan, but you guys have to promise.

485

:

Not to fuck with this and let the

Centauri handle the Centauri problem.

486

:

And they're like, well, you're building

up this giant military, or you've got

487

:

this Hitler youth program, or you're,

you're really raising the Xeno uh,

488

:

xenophobic culture, like there's all

this stuff you you're going to handle it.

489

:

He's just like, trust me.

490

:

And it's like veers machinations

the entire time as he's

491

:

being guided by techno mages.

492

:

eventually founding the legions of fire,

which is like a Centauri revolution.

493

:

That ends up purging all of

the drach from Centauri prime.

494

:

They just kill all the drach, just

straight up genocide those fuckers.

495

:

And

496

:

uh,

497

:

Laura: Who genocides the genocider?

498

:

Xhafer: yeah, Veer apparently Veer does.

499

:

Laura: Huh.

500

:

Huh.

501

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

502

:

And it's like the whole books.

503

:

Um,

504

:

Laura: the legions of fire

is the name of the trilogy.

505

:

Xhafer: That's the main thing

that happens with Veer and Lando.

506

:

Um, Veer and Senna end

up becoming a thing.

507

:

Mariel kills Durla by committing suicide

and throwing them both out of a window.

508

:

Laura: Hmm.

509

:

Xhafer: Um,

510

:

Laura: Okay.

511

:

Xhafer: there's a bunch of stuff like

all of this is all happening around the

512

:

same time as it the third book is all.

513

:

About the gathering, right?

514

:

Not the gathering.

515

:

It's uh, in the beginning, right?

516

:

So Lando's the old man, right?

517

:

The night he dies with Jakar.

518

:

That's the third book.

519

:

Laura: Yeah.

520

:

Tell me, does the, um,

521

:

Xhafer: we, we get an

522

:

Laura: the urn.

523

:

Xhafer: We get ex, we find

out what happens with the urn.

524

:

We find out what, why Delen

and Sheridan are on Sari Prime.

525

:

We find out what happens after,

and we get a resolution on all of

526

:

it tied up in a nice little bow.

527

:

Laura: Wow.

528

:

Xhafer: So the urn does

have a keeper in it.

529

:

The urn does break open

and join with David and.

530

:

Laura: Oh, wow.

531

:

Xhafer: so the keeper has

been like whispering to him

532

:

since he was a child, right?

533

:

Since before he was born, basically, it's

been telepathically bonding with him.

534

:

And so when it shows up, he like

resists for like a second, but

535

:

then he's not like, Oh, but you're

like the thing from my dreams.

536

:

That's going to help me.

537

:

And it's been guiding me

and is my protector, right?

538

:

Okay, cool.

539

:

Yeah.

540

:

I'm, I'm a 16 year old boy and

I've been super sheltered by my

541

:

parents on min bar my whole life.

542

:

Laura: And I'm special.

543

:

Xhafer: I'm so some

fucking chosen one, y'all.

544

:

Laura: Yeah.

545

:

So this is the thing that's

going to help me be more special.

546

:

Okay.

547

:

Yeah.

548

:

Xhafer: So he accepts the keeper.

549

:

He like beats the shit out of a

guard, like a ranger, hijacks a

550

:

shuttle and goes to Centauri Prime

551

:

Laura: Good idea.

552

:

Xhafer: because the Drak have

promised Durla that they'll deliver

553

:

him the son of Sheridan, right?

554

:

Laura: So that's, that's how they

wind up there, surely, right?

555

:

They're going to rescue

556

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

557

:

So they go to rescue him.

558

:

Durla like sends them a message where

it's all like, you'll come alone.

559

:

If you ever want to see your son again,

and it's like whole set up to like kill

560

:

them very publicly on Centauri prime.

561

:

And then also they've been building

this massive fleet that's bigger than

562

:

all of the ships, the Alliance has

combined for some reason that they've

563

:

managed to build in secret over 20

564

:

Laura: In hiding.

565

:

Right.

566

:

Yeah.

567

:

Xhafer: And they have like a

fully trained army and everything,

568

:

and they're going to attack.

569

:

Like 80 percent of the Alliance

homeworld at the same time.

570

:

Laura: Wow.

571

:

After we, you know, how many years has it

been since they wiped out like, uh, 40?

572

:

Xhafer: like 12, 14, maybe, maybe

it's 20 years by the end of this book.

573

:

I don't know.

574

:

Well, it can't be 20

years cause Sheridan dies.

575

:

So.

576

:

Laura: right, right,

577

:

Xhafer: he has 20 years from

the start of season four.

578

:

So, and it starts during crusade,

which is four or five years.

579

:

So it's like maybe 15 years.

580

:

Laura: I mean, I guess the

Centauri probably still had

581

:

some colonies and stuff.

582

:

I was thinking, you know, we wiped out

40 percent of their whole civilization or

583

:

something, but that's probably not true.

584

:

They might, they might've wiped out like

40 percent of Centauri prime, but there

585

:

were probably colonies and shit, but

still, it does seem a bit over ambitious.

586

:

Doesn't it?

587

:

Xhafer: for sure.

588

:

Laura: Where did we get all the

resources for these new ships?

589

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

590

:

It's secret colonies.

591

:

They, they do a lot of like attacking

like worlds that are protectorates of.

592

:

Interstellar powers, but not anything

that anyone cares about for resources.

593

:

They do a little bit of that

stuff in the background.

594

:

They talk about it sometimes

like, Oh, we attacked this world.

595

:

Oh, we did this thing.

596

:

Oh, we got these resources.

597

:

And it's all to build

this giant fleet of ships.

598

:

so they're going to kill John

and Dillon publicly as they

599

:

launched this giant attack, right?

600

:

With John Sheridan's giant hands.

601

:

And Dylan's weird face on

the cover of that book.

602

:

Laura: Ja'far has beef with the cover,

603

:

Xhafer: It's the worst art of the two

of them that exists that I've seen.

604

:

Laura: Mm.

605

:

Xhafer: sure there's

something somewhere anyways.

606

:

So they show up, there's all

this stuff they're captured.

607

:

We get the time jumping, all of that.

608

:

Right.

609

:

Um, we learned that the keeper

is another direct spawn of that.

610

:

Scott.

611

:

David is the same one that's got.

612

:

Londo,

613

:

Laura: Oh, from the

Drak, whatever his name

614

:

Xhafer: uh, Shikari or something.

615

:

Laura: Yeah.

616

:

Xhafer: and Jakar do their thing.

617

:

They both die killing each other.

618

:

Veer has the giant revolution.

619

:

They kill all the Drakk.

620

:

there's like a little

bit of a military coup.

621

:

And so they don't attack everyone.

622

:

Uh, Ja'an, Delenn, and David all

escape, but they have to drug David.

623

:

To stop him from doing keeper shit.

624

:

Laura: Yeah.

625

:

How are we gonna get that keeper off?

626

:

Xhafer: This is all, this

all comes a bit after.

627

:

Um, so the big revolution happens.

628

:

Veer is the emperor.

629

:

He's hanging out with Senna and

well, he's going to be the emperor.

630

:

I don't, when Lando dies.

631

:

Right.

632

:

Laura: Yeah.

633

:

I know he's gonna be the emperor,

but part of me was just like,

634

:

Xhafer: They don't

635

:

Laura: that can't be an idiot, right?

636

:

Xhafer: a,

637

:

Laura: Hehehe.

638

:

Yeah.

639

:

Yeah.

640

:

Hehehe.

641

:

Xhafer: and so all that stuff that

we know happens, John, David and

642

:

Dylan escape, they go back to Minbar

with David Franklin comes out to be

643

:

David's doctor and they're all like,

well, we can't get rid of this thing.

644

:

It will just keep growing back.

645

:

It's the same thing that we saw from

the keeper in season, whatever, when

646

:

they found one on that dude, right?

647

:

Laura: Oh,

648

:

Xhafer: There was the whole

thing before where they set them

649

:

Laura: Uh huh.

650

:

Xhafer: Earlier, it's just like,

it's integrated into his body.

651

:

We can't do anything.

652

:

It's like, well, maybe if we kill the

drug that spawned it, he'll be fun.

653

:

That might help, right?

654

:

Laura: Yeah.

655

:

Yeah.

656

:

So that, that drock did not get killed in

657

:

Xhafer: that truck did not get

killed and that truck comes

658

:

to threaten veer and veers.

659

:

I'll like, bitch, place your hand

and Garibaldi pops out of the

660

:

closet and shoots the truck dead.

661

:

Yep.

662

:

Garibaldi's

663

:

Laura: had no idea Garibaldi was there.

664

:

A man who probably like projects every

single thought he has super hard.

665

:

Xhafer: Notable, canonically susceptible

to telepath bullshit, Michael Garibaldi

666

:

Laura: Right.

667

:

Xhafer: from the telepathic

alien 100 percent

668

:

Laura: In the closet.

669

:

Xhafer: in the closet.

670

:

Laura: The lead line closet, I hope.

671

:

Oh,

672

:

Xhafer: It'd be an aluminum,

he's wearing an aluminum hat.

673

:

Laura: course, of

674

:

Xhafer: He gets hair plugs

at one point in these books.

675

:

Laughs.

676

:

Laura: he really?

677

:

Xhafer: They make a joke about it.

678

:

Yeah, about how he had

hair, hair work done.

679

:

Laura: they just can't

stop taking shots at him.

680

:

Xhafer: No.

681

:

And so they kill the, the drach that

spawned it and then David's just fine.

682

:

The keeper just like crawls

up and falls off of them.

683

:

Laura: yeah, they're just all connected

to the drach that lives and if

684

:

the drach dies, then they all die.

685

:

Okay.

686

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

687

:

Laura: I don't know how telepathy works.

688

:

Telepathy and like parasitism?

689

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

690

:

But yeah that's effectively the books.

691

:

Laura: Hmm.

692

:

I remember really liking

these when I was younger.

693

:

Xhafer: when you read them, if you

really like Lando, they're great.

694

:

Cause you just get fun

Lando quotes a whole bunch.

695

:

It's just Lando being Lando

ing all over the place.

696

:

Laura: Yeah.

697

:

And I can't claim that I was like the

most sophisticated reader in the world

698

:

at, you know, 13 or whatever this was.

699

:

Xhafer: well, I mean, some

of it is like you were young.

700

:

Some of it is.

701

:

Looking at things through the modern lens

as opposed to the lens of 25 years ago.

702

:

Laura: Yeah, I'm, I would not have

clocked a 14 year old heaving her

703

:

breasts the same way for sure.

704

:

Xhafer: it hits different.

705

:

You know, they're books.

706

:

Laura: It sounds like a, it could be

a fun romp if you're really immersed

707

:

in the Babylon 5 universe and you

want more Babylon 5 like super bad.

708

:

Mm

709

:

Xhafer: mean, if I had to choose

between watching crusade again

710

:

or reading these books again,

711

:

I'd do neither, but

712

:

Laura: I'd probably read the books.

713

:

Xhafer: I might read the

techno mage books, but

714

:

Laura: I really want to read the

Technomage books, but I feel like

715

:

those are the hardest to find, right?

716

:

Xhafer: I've got the trilogy.

717

:

Laura: Do you really?

718

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

719

:

It was in that giant pile

of books that I found I

720

:

Laura: Oh, I remember that picture.

721

:

Xhafer: of the Babylon five books.

722

:

I'm missing

723

:

Laura: googling them.

724

:

I

725

:

Xhafer: two of the like movie

transcripts and of the numbered books.

726

:

I'm missing one, seven and eight, but I

have the rest of the Babylon five books.

727

:

Either in compilation or individual form.

728

:

Laura: feel like I might

have actually read these.

729

:

These covers look really familiar.

730

:

Like maybe the library had them

when I was a kid, but I have

731

:

no idea what the content is.

732

:

But it looks like maybe Morden

is on the cover of the first one.

733

:

Xhafer: So I don't know

anything about them.

734

:

I want, I do want to read if I read

any of them, I'm going to read uh, to

735

:

dream in the city of sorrows for sure.

736

:

Which is the Catherine Sakai

training to be a Ranger book

737

:

written by James's ex wife.

738

:

Laura: Yeah.

739

:

Xhafer: It's like the

one that's still Canon.

740

:

All right.

741

:

Well, yeah, those are the books.

742

:

They were okay.

743

:

Laura: Yeah.

744

:

Xhafer: I mean, I'd read them

over literary critic Bester again.

745

:

You

746

:

Laura: Yeah.

747

:

That was what I was going

to ask is like, how does it

748

:

compare to the Psycore trilogy?

749

:

Xhafer: know, I, I don't remember

how I felt about it at the time

750

:

and I'd have to go back and listen

to our episode, but I remember not

751

:

hating the second psych or book.

752

:

Laura: I remember enjoying the first one

a lot and that like, it was neat to have

753

:

all that table setting that we never got.

754

:

From Babylon 5 about like,

how did the telepaths happen?

755

:

You know, there were just sort

of references and this was

756

:

like in the trenches of it.

757

:

And I enjoyed the kind of quote

unquote twist ending of, you

758

:

know, ending on Bester's birth.

759

:

I thought that was fun.

760

:

Xhafer: Okay.

761

:

Yeah, no, it was fun.

762

:

Yeah, I liked a lot of that stuff.

763

:

Laura: I'm curious how

people rank these series.

764

:

Like if they,

765

:

Xhafer: I think the Centauri trilogy is

just widely considered to be the best,

766

:

Laura: Yeah,

767

:

Xhafer: is wild to me, but

768

:

Laura: It's the Lando.

769

:

It's the nostalgia for Lando and you,

I'm sure you read the whole thing.

770

:

I was anyway in Peter

jurassic's voice the whole time.

771

:

Xhafer: yeah.

772

:

A hundred percent.

773

:

Laura: Yeah, even fear.

774

:

I was pretty strong on that.

775

:

Xhafer: The viewers, I

mean, it's veers voice.

776

:

My problem is not veers voice.

777

:

It's veers plot

778

:

Laura: Yeah.

779

:

Xhafer: why they got to

do veer linear dirty.

780

:

Laura: Yeah.

781

:

Xhafer: That's what it felt like.

782

:

It felt linear dirty to me.

783

:

Laura: yeah, just the whole

involvement at all of Mary L with

784

:

beer because he kind of had a

785

:

hint.

786

:

At least Lando had warned him

like, She's, she's no good.

787

:

Like,

788

:

he seems too smart for that

789

:

by the end of Babylon

790

:

Xhafer: But he fucks up, I guess.

791

:

And he really fucks up.

792

:

He fucks up by getting involved

with her in the first place.

793

:

And then it just gets worse.

794

:

Every interaction.

795

:

Laura: Just like, how deep can we dig this

796

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it doesn't feel good.

797

:

Um, like it and it doesn't feel good.

798

:

So I feel confident in saying

that, that it's just not good.

799

:

Um, compared to like, at the end

of the books, he's like, He's

800

:

got to be like 45, 50, right.

801

:

Given 20 years after the end of the show

802

:

Laura: Which makes the whole

thing with Senna a little weird

803

:

Xhafer: that's exactly what I was

about to talk about because Santa's

804

:

like 20 at the end of those books.

805

:

Right.

806

:

Laura: Yeah, if she's 14 when she's found

in the first one, she can't be that much

807

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

808

:

If, if the entire things take place,

well, I guess if they take place

809

:

over 15 years, which I don't think

is the case, I think it's at most 10,

810

:

Laura: Yeah, but

811

:

if it is, even if it is

15, like, Veer's gotta

812

:

Xhafer: double her age.

813

:

Laura: Yeah.

814

:

yeah,

815

:

Xhafer: But I mean, I don't know.

816

:

Centauri culture brains

develop at different speeds.

817

:

They're aliens.

818

:

I'm trying not to be super judgmental,

been judging them by icky human standards,

819

:

but by human standards, it's fucking icky.

820

:

Laura: it's, it's not my favorite, no,

821

:

Xhafer: no, it's not.

822

:

Laura: especially because she

is found in such a vulnerable

823

:

place, too, an orphan, alone,

824

:

Xhafer: do a really good job of like,

that is not why she gets with Veer.

825

:

Like that's all very, very separated.

826

:

She meets Veer when she's young, a couple

of times when he comes to visit Londo, but

827

:

he's not like, it is not grooming at all.

828

:

Laura: Yeah, but she's still

a child when she meets him and

829

:

he is still a grown ass man.

830

:

But it also was not anything

like, you know, Londo has been

831

:

painted womanizer many, many times,

832

:

Xhafer: Yes.

833

:

And is, Oh, we didn't

even talk about Timoff.

834

:

Laura: Oh, yeah, tell me about T Muff.

835

:

Xhafer: At one point she like shows up at

the palace and it's just all like, Hey,

836

:

you're clearly fucked and I am your wife.

837

:

So I'm coming to visit

to see what's going on.

838

:

And they end up like

genuinely falling in love.

839

:

Yeah.

840

:

Londo, Londo dies, regretting having

had to have been cruel to her.

841

:

He like fakes a thing.

842

:

Where she's trying to kill him

so that she gets sent away.

843

:

So that way the keepers doesn't

get her because the Draka

844

:

are going to kill her ass.

845

:

So he like exiles her to save her

846

:

Laura: Yeah, she's too smart.

847

:

She's too smart to be around

848

:

Xhafer: a hundred percent.

849

:

They want to get rid of her immediately.

850

:

And he's all like, the

problem will resolve itself.

851

:

Right?

852

:

Like we hate each other.

853

:

And then it flash forwards

a year and she's been living

854

:

in the palace the whole time.

855

:

And they're like actually a couple.

856

:

Laura: hmm.

857

:

Xhafer: So he has to, you know, Get

rid of her before she finds out the

858

:

truth, but she knew the whole time

because she's not a fucking idiot.

859

:

And Londo's a fucking idiot.

860

:

And

861

:

Laura: She doesn't know the truth

about the, like, alien on his shoulder,

862

:

Xhafer: she is, she might not know the

exact details, but it is hinted that she

863

:

was aware that he was being controlled

in a way deeper than like blackmail,

864

:

Laura: Yeah,

865

:

Xhafer: um, he ends up calling her.

866

:

At like his 11th hour.

867

:

Like he knows he doesn't have long left.

868

:

Like he's everything is

clearly coming to a head.

869

:

He calls her just be like, Hey,

um, I'm calling to apologize.

870

:

Right?

871

:

But before he can say

anything, she interrupts.

872

:

It's like, so I guess

you've heard the news.

873

:

I've got terminal cancer and

I'm dying in three months.

874

:

Fuck you.

875

:

Lando.

876

:

And it's just like super

bitter towards him.

877

:

Has he like tries to apologize, but

to be honest, he doesn't deserve it.

878

:

The chance to apologize to her.

879

:

And so he doesn't really get a chance

to, but they kind of like half do it.

880

:

Um, and she ends up dying like moments

after him, she like survives long

881

:

enough to have outlived him, but

882

:

Laura: feels very like something

they would have like hinted at

883

:

in the episode with T Mob about

like, I'm going to live just long

884

:

enough to see you die or something.

885

:

That's a very fitting thing.

886

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

887

:

Laura: it is sad.

888

:

Londo's whole deal is sad.

889

:

I mean, I know that we see him

do horrific genocidal things,

890

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

891

:

Laura: but he started out a lovable

oaf and became something else.

892

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

893

:

Laura: I don't know.

894

:

Londo's hard.

895

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

896

:

I mean, Peter Jurassic does a

really good job of making him a

897

:

fun relatable character, despite

being a homicidal genocidal maniac.

898

:

So

899

:

good job, Peter.

900

:

Laura: It's just a lesson about don't

get obsessed with the way things were.

901

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

902

:

Laura: Like, fuck the way things were.

903

:

Xhafer: You want to make

Centauri prime great again?

904

:

Uh,

905

:

Laura: Yeah,

906

:

Xhafer: when was Centauri prime?

907

:

Great.

908

:

Just

909

:

Laura: yeah.

910

:

Xhafer: want to know exactly what

you're talking about, please.

911

:

Laura: Yeah, solid points.

912

:

. . Xhafer: Hey, this airs

before election day.

913

:

Listener.

914

:

Laura: It does.

915

:

Xhafer: So I'm going to urge you to vote.

916

:

I'm going to urge you to vote regardless,

because participating in democracy is

917

:

important to maintaining democracy.

918

:

And I think everyone wants

to maintain democracy.

919

:

If you don't want to retain democracy,

and you've listened to 148 episodes

920

:

of this podcast, let me be the

first to tell you to fuck off.

921

:

Laura: That's a weird thing to do.

922

:

Why are you so weird?

923

:

Xhafer: are you here?

924

:

Vic just doxed me on discord.

925

:

So I guess I'm fucked now.

926

:

Um,

927

:

no, go vote for real.

928

:

Um, if you aren't sure about.

929

:

A certain candidate, I implore

you to do actual research.

930

:

And when I say that, I don't mean

looking at one fucking website.

931

:

That's telling you how to think and

feel, because remember the news media

932

:

is not invested in informing you.

933

:

They're invested in retaining you.

934

:

Have I told you about the new website

I've been using to, I post about this

935

:

on Facebook a couple of days ago.

936

:

You might've seen it.

937

:

Laura: Oh, no, I don't

think I saw it though.

938

:

Tell me,

939

:

Xhafer: I I've been using a

website called ground news.

940

:

It's just ground.

941

:

news.

942

:

com.

943

:

And what they do is they aggregate all

of the articles relating to a news event.

944

:

So you get a very brief.

945

:

Incredibly fact based overview of what

the thing is and what is happening.

946

:

And then on the, underneath

that, they put all of the news

947

:

outlets that are reporting on it.

948

:

They put links to those articles

so that you can read what people

949

:

are actually saying about it.

950

:

And also all the news outlets are ranked

based off of left and right media bias.

951

:

So you can see who, what

side is reporting what.

952

:

And what site is notably

not reporting what,

953

:

Laura: oh, this is interesting,

especially, you know, if you heard

954

:

about this one, listener, I saw it

today that some mail in ballots were

955

:

specifically targeted and damaged

after somebody set them on fire

956

:

in a Democratic county in Arizona.

957

:

Um, You hadn't heard about that yet?

958

:

Oh, yeah, it's so cool.

959

:

The little slider bar at the bottom

960

:

Xhafer: but yeah, the Democrats are

famous for their voter fraud guys.

961

:

Laura: The, the slider bar at the bottom

shows that this has been reported by

962

:

left and center, not so much the red,

963

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

964

:

It's crazy how that

965

:

happens.

966

:

Right.

967

:

Laura: Yeah.

968

:

Xhafer: So.

969

:

If you, if you're not sure how to vote,

do your research, learn about your

970

:

candidates, you owe it to yourself

to be an informed voter listener.

971

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

972

:

Xhafer: Um, and if you are a listener

and you support fascism, I still think

973

:

you should vote, even if I completely

disagree with you and I don't know why

974

:

you're here, but voting is important.

975

:

Laura: Yeah.

976

:

It's, it's weird that you're here.

977

:

You should probably

978

:

Xhafer: It's so fucking weird.

979

:

You should probably leave,

980

:

please leave.

981

:

Laura: Ah, well, next time.

982

:

We're going to watch The Lost Tales,

983

:

Xhafer: Yeah, we got to

watch the lost tales.

984

:

I'm so sorry.

985

:

Laura: I suspect that that

will be an interesting episode.

986

:

If I can summon any of that up from my

memory, it is nothing but disappointment.

987

:

Xhafer: It's like 45 minutes long.

988

:

I think it's, I don't remember

it being particularly long.

989

:

Laura: No, no, it's like, if I remember

right, it's three short stories in a

990

:

show, and it was very disappointing.

991

:

Xhafer: It's time to go.

992

:

It's time to go to bed.

993

:

It's 10 30.

994

:

I'm

995

:

still jet lagged.

996

:

I've been up at like five every day at the

997

:

latest, just no alarm.

998

:

Just.

999

:

Up at three, up at four every day.

:

00:45:06,552 --> 00:45:07,622

Laura: that's rough.

:

00:45:07,637 --> 00:45:11,127

Xhafer: hoping that this drinking

gets me a good night's rest tonight.

:

00:45:11,932 --> 00:45:12,802

Laura: I hope so.

:

00:45:13,237 --> 00:45:16,597

Xhafer: Fingers crossed, just

like my fingers are crossed.

:

00:45:16,657 --> 00:45:19,057

Everyone's going to go listen

to the music of Jeremy Siegel.

:

00:45:19,417 --> 00:45:21,687

Cause Jeremy, he did our theme music.

:

00:45:21,697 --> 00:45:22,157

Has he?

:

00:45:22,672 --> 00:45:24,112

Done the new music

:

00:45:25,152 --> 00:45:29,802

Laura: I, I need to talk to him

about it because I sort of did

:

00:45:29,802 --> 00:45:31,212

and then I sort of forgot him.

:

00:45:32,622 --> 00:45:34,932

Xhafer: because you've

got like not a lot of

:

00:45:35,012 --> 00:45:38,532

Laura: We were, we were taking a

little break in between, right?

:

00:45:38,882 --> 00:45:39,382

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:45:39,422 --> 00:45:40,982

We're going to take a

little break in between.

:

00:45:40,982 --> 00:45:41,952

I

:

00:45:42,122 --> 00:45:42,352

Laura: good.

:

00:45:42,612 --> 00:45:46,272

Xhafer: think Jeremy, if you're

listening, I think you've got

:

00:45:46,302 --> 00:45:50,472

until I would say December 3rd, the

:

00:45:51,552 --> 00:45:51,942

Laura: I think,

:

00:45:52,202 --> 00:45:52,842

Xhafer: latest.

:

00:45:53,082 --> 00:45:56,342

Laura: I think Jeremy does listen to

this show cause he's a real mensch

:

00:45:56,632 --> 00:45:57,102

and he

:

00:45:57,132 --> 00:45:57,992

he listens even

:

00:45:58,072 --> 00:45:59,152

Xhafer: often, even though he

:

00:45:59,152 --> 00:45:59,422

doesn't

:

00:45:59,432 --> 00:45:59,672

Laura: though I

:

00:45:59,672 --> 00:46:00,332

never watched it.

:

00:46:00,692 --> 00:46:02,522

Xhafer: yeah, he listens to the show.

:

00:46:03,622 --> 00:46:06,842

So, you know, Jeremy yeah.

:

00:46:06,892 --> 00:46:07,022

Thank

:

00:46:07,022 --> 00:46:07,652

you so much.

:

00:46:07,652 --> 00:46:07,732

so much.

:

00:46:07,922 --> 00:46:08,437

You're a mensch.

:

00:46:08,437 --> 00:46:08,722

JeremySiegel42.

:

00:46:08,722 --> 00:46:10,402

Bandcamp.

:

00:46:10,402 --> 00:46:14,302

com where he's the only Jeremy

Siegel that makes music and then on

:

00:46:14,302 --> 00:46:16,002

streaming services is Nuclear Jaguar.

:

00:46:16,002 --> 00:46:16,772

Thanks so much.

:

00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:18,497

Laura: And, hey, guess what?

:

00:46:19,827 --> 00:46:23,197

I did talk to Angry Duck

Time Machine at at Instagram

:

00:46:23,397 --> 00:46:26,367

Xhafer: You sent me a little, you sent

me a little teaser that they had done.

:

00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:27,227

Is it done done?

:

00:46:27,797 --> 00:46:29,157

Laura: I, it's almost done done.

:

00:46:29,167 --> 00:46:34,267

They were, so Angry Duck Time Machine is

adding the title stuff for us this time.

:

00:46:34,267 --> 00:46:37,727

Last time I, I threw it in Canva,

you guys, and I made it and it

:

00:46:37,727 --> 00:46:41,577

was fine, I guess, but a real

artist is doing it this time.

:

00:46:41,577 --> 00:46:42,457

And I'm so excited.

:

00:46:42,517 --> 00:46:43,627

You're putting the title on.

:

00:46:43,757 --> 00:46:44,057

Xhafer: Thanks.

:

00:46:44,057 --> 00:46:45,207

Angry Duck Time Machine.

:

00:46:45,207 --> 00:46:48,327

Do you think Angry Duck Time Machine

has ever listened to this podcast?

:

00:46:48,337 --> 00:46:49,427

Laura: I don't think so.

:

00:46:49,427 --> 00:46:49,747

No,

:

00:46:49,897 --> 00:46:50,177

Xhafer: not.

:

00:46:50,187 --> 00:46:50,567

No.

:

00:46:51,487 --> 00:46:52,377

Laura: that's okay.

:

00:46:54,957 --> 00:46:55,787

Xhafer: Still a mensch.

:

00:46:56,227 --> 00:46:57,377

Laura: But thanks so much.

:

00:46:57,767 --> 00:47:02,897

And they're on Instagram,

if you need to find them.

:

00:47:02,997 --> 00:47:06,487

Xhafer: We got a little silly towards the

end, I trust your judgment on everything.

:

00:47:07,637 --> 00:47:10,397

Thank you so much for editing

this podcast and also having

:

00:47:10,397 --> 00:47:12,297

listened to the unshot scripts now.

:

00:47:13,177 --> 00:47:14,937

Good fucking job.

:

00:47:15,347 --> 00:47:17,547

A fucking plus.

:

00:47:18,097 --> 00:47:21,377

Laura: I, I, you know, we both

have this thing where we don't

:

00:47:21,387 --> 00:47:25,737

necessarily love to listen to our own

voices, but I could not stop myself.

:

00:47:25,737 --> 00:47:26,427

I had to.

:

00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:26,707

I was

:

00:47:26,767 --> 00:47:30,287

Xhafer: really enjoyed both the

script readings despite having

:

00:47:30,287 --> 00:47:31,577

to listen to my own voice.

:

00:47:31,597 --> 00:47:34,157

And that's a testament to your

work, thank you so much, Aaron.

:

00:47:34,912 --> 00:47:36,962

Laura: And thanks so much,

listener, for being here.

:

00:47:37,002 --> 00:47:41,152

I hope that you enjoyed the coverage of

these books and finding out some of the

:

00:47:41,162 --> 00:47:44,232

mysteries that got left by Babylon 5.

:

00:47:44,732 --> 00:47:47,745

And uh, if you haven't read the books,

you know, go get them, check them out.

:

00:47:47,937 --> 00:47:48,317

Uh,

:

00:47:48,362 --> 00:47:50,672

Xhafer: Very least read the first

two chapters of the first one.

:

00:47:51,097 --> 00:47:51,947

Worth your time.

:

00:47:52,407 --> 00:47:53,187

They're very good.

:

00:47:53,722 --> 00:47:54,362

Laura: a bomb.

:

00:47:54,392 --> 00:47:54,782

Yeah.

:

00:47:55,412 --> 00:48:01,482

So if you want to throw in any more

thoughts about Babylon 5 Get them in fast.

:

00:48:01,842 --> 00:48:04,972

Send them in through the

discord or whorub5 at gmail.

:

00:48:04,972 --> 00:48:09,690

com and uh, you know So we're going to

be heading on to Battlestar Galactica.

:

00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,190

I suppose if you have something

you want to share about that,

:

00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,170

remember that I haven't seen it yet.

:

00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:16,640

Xhafer: No

:

00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:17,460

Laura: there's something,

:

00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:19,170

Xhafer: on the discord

:

00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,890

Laura: no spoilies on the discord

:

00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:22,530

friends.

:

00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,710

Xhafer: rule for battle

for Battlestar Galactica.

:

00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:27,490

No spoilies on the discord.

:

00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:32,470

Um, we might have a, like we had for

Babylon five, we had a spoiler channel

:

00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:37,420

that will likely become the BSG I'll,

I'll do a little bit of work on the

:

00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:41,300

discord and clean up some of the channels

and we'll have Babylon five chats.

:

00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:44,900

Remain because we still love the show

and we still want to talk about it.

:

00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:47,620

We just have talked about everything.

:

00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:51,610

So, and we're not doing Babylon

five for the second time.

:

00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:51,850

So

:

00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:54,830

Laura: That's a different podcast.

:

00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:57,251

Bye.

:

00:48:57,385 --> 00:48:57,785

Xhafer: All right.

:

00:48:57,785 --> 00:48:58,135

Listener.

:

00:48:58,135 --> 00:48:58,955

Thanks so much.

:

00:48:59,035 --> 00:48:59,995

We'll see you next week.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.