Episode 189

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Published on:

1st Oct 2025

BSG Resistance Webisodes - Dying for Celery

Laura and Xhafer are back to take a dive into BSG short-form media. Laura loves an identical twin scenario. Xhafer reviews Jammer's soap opera credits. This episode covers all 10 parts of BSG: The Resistance webisodes.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast, hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends who are currently

forced to watch Battlestar Galactica, the

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Resistance Web episodes in potato quality.

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I'm Jair.

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Laura: And I'm Lauren.

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I was trying to come up with a joke.

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Uh, Something about reasonably well done.

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Something about the Webi episodes.

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I don't know, like it's there.

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Just make it up in your mind, listener.

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It's there.

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Xhafer: This was not good.

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Laura: Ah, so we watched two

different versions and the one

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I watched, I made the mistake.

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I shouldn't have tried

to watch it on my tv.

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I guess maybe I should have tried

to watch it on a computer screen.

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Xhafer: I don't, I mean that that

would, that's the intended audience.

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That's what it was made for, was YouTube.

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Watch it on your cell phone.

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What a tragedy.

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Fucking, yeah, no, it was, it was bad.

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So mine, apparently, there's

lots of repeated scenes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: have a ton of repeated scenes

or did it have them all cut out?

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Mine had them all

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Laura: they were all cut out.

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Xhafer: Okay, cool.

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So.

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Laura: remind you what happened in

the last three minute episode, I'm

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Like, here's a minute and a half

of the last three minute episode.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how that worked exactly.

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Uh, I didn't watch that.

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I watched the edit that Austin posted.

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Thank you Austin for that.

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he had just actually been over

for dinner the night before

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and we were talking about it.

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So, um,

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Laura: Lucky.

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Lucky.

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Xhafer: it's bizarre that like.

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We met through a greatest

gen group, right.

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And we just, like, we met because we

happened to live nearby each other.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Just like, it's, it's

bizarre to me that it's just

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like worked out that way.

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And then after I moved, they are I

mean in, in proximity of the people

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that I know that I would call the

have over for dinner, I think they are

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physically the closest people to me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Nice.

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Xhafer: real close, so that's cool.

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But anyways, they were over for dinner

and so he's talking about, he did an

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edit and Austin does fan edits of stuff.

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I don't know if he knew that.

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Laura: Oh, I didn't.

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Cool.

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Xhafer: had done one of the resistance

and he was joking about watching his edit.

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And so that's why I made that

reference in the Discord.

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I don't know if this is listenable.

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Listen, listen.

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we have 25 minutes of Battlestar

Galactica to talk about.

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This is gonna be a short one,

and so I'm just trying to talk

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about literally anything else.

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I have a page of notes about the director

of this, and I have a page and a half

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of notes about what happens in this.

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Laura: So speaking of the edits, I have

a question because we were not sure

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at the beginning of the edit that we

watched, if what was there was actually

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Weis episode, or if it was clipped

from another episode that's coming.

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So what at the beginning of

yours was there A little.

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Like vignette with Leo Obin and Star be

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Xhafer: Nope.

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Laura: okay Because Aaron,

Aaron was like, no, I'm pretty

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sure this is from an episode.

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Um, so

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Xhafer: So that's, that's

probably from an episode.

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Laura: well, I'll, I'll tell you about it.

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And if the listeners watched this

version on YouTube, then they'll know.

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They will have seen it.

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But what happened at the

very, very beginning of mine.

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Was Starbuck goes into a bathroom

and like pulls a bar out of a door or

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out of a toilet and blocks the door,

and she's like overflowing the sink.

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She's running the sink to cover

up what she's doing and like pulls

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something else out of the toilet and

tries to slit her wrists with it.

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Xhafer: Whoa.

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Laura: But Leo Obin is like,

he's been following her, I guess.

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Uh, 'cause he was looking for her

at the end of the last episode.

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Uh, breaks down the door and like

rescues her basically, and asks her

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how he can make her see that her life

ahead is gonna be glorious or something.

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So, yeah, don't know.

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But then the, whoever edited this

thing together, they did that as like a

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cold open and then did the theme song.

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Xhafer: Oh yeah.

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I didn't have a theme song either.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And then it went into

obviously Weis episode proper.

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We went ahead and kept watching.

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And I think we'll probably

sync up from there,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Day 67.

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Is that where your starts?

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That's where mine

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Laura: So somebody was just trying to

be really artsy with this edit, I think.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, it feels that way

in the web episodes too.

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Uh, Yeah.

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We open on day 67.

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We've got Ty, Callie, Jamer Duck

Nora, and Little Baby Nicholas.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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I never caught the baby's name.

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Xhafer: I Googled it.

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They don't think they say it

in the episodes or they do.

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I think they do when he gets uh,

baptized, whatever, it's not baptized,

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but whatever the, that is committed

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or whatever to the god's

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Laura: but yeah, still not that

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And when definitely of all of

them, christening is the least one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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I, that's the thing is I had such a

hard time catching people's names,

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so I was very frustrated with

watching these episodes because

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a potato quality looked horrible.

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And then b, I couldn't catch names.

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And I, I, I thought that the two

ladies were the same lady for a while.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I was very confused.

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So Nora is who?

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Xhafer: Nora is Duck's wife.

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Laura: Okay,

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Xhafer: And Jamer is

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the other

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Laura: lady?

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Xhafer: The other lady that's later in it.

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That's Jean.

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We actually know Jean.

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So Jamer, duck and Nora are all

Viper pilots that have presumably

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been in the background of episodes.

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Uh,

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Laura: We've heard jammer's

name and D's name for sure.

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I don't know that I've

ever heard Nora's name.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We only know that she's a pilot because

we see her in uniform in their picture.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: I'm actually gonna pull

up Wikipedia, or not Wikipedia.

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I'm gonna pull up IMDB

right now and see here.

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Duck.

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Oh, he was in the Tomorrow.

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People, I remember that.

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Show someone out

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Laura: Duck is the the

red-haired guy, right?

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Xhafer: someone's all like, man, okay.

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He's in five episodes.

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He was, yeah, he was in Scar.

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He was in the Captain's hand.

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He was in Flight of the Phoenix.

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And we see him again after.

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And then Jamer is in 10 episodes

of Battlestar Galactica.

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He's, he goes back to season one.

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He was in Litmus, he's in resistance.

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He's inflated the Phoenix,

and then we see him.

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Again, a number of times

in the coming episodes.

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He's also in 1,611 episodes

of General Hospital,

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: where he has, how

many different names is he?

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He's got, oh God.

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There's ellipses.

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He's credited at least

three different characters.

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Laura: Oh, wow.

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Xhafer: I love that.

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For him.

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Laura: I gotta say,

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Xhafer: The, including brothers, he's

an identical trade to general hospital.

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Yes.

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Laura: wonderful.

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I love an identical twin uh, scenario.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I gotta say, you know,

obviously episodes, you don't

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have the same budget, right?

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So there is a little bit of like,

oh, you can tell that they couldn't

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make very big sets because we're

all close to everybody all the time.

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Uh, We didn't get Starbucks for this, you

know, we didn't wanna pay Katie sack off.

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Um,

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Xhafer: get Mike Hogan for 10 lines.

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You get tiro for 15.

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Callie can be a background actor here too.

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We guess.

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We'll give her some lines.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Uh, Some of duck's acting.

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I was like,

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so not to rag on web episodes.

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Like I get what they were trying to do.

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They were doing the best they could

with what they had, obviously.

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Um, but yeah, episodes are

not episodes for a reason.

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Xhafer: for sure.

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It was a, it was a little uh, the

quality overall is a little rough.

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So, uh, duck and Nora here after their

meeting are talking about having a baby.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: Tiro and Ty are smuggling

weapons while talking about si

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you know, the new Caprica police.

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Uh, I hear you get a

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big signup bonus.

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I wouldn't know.

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Laura: I wonder whose idea this is

like, 'cause they don't say in the

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webi episodes where this idea came

from, but it's feeling very guy,

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or, I mean, could even be gada.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean.

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Laura: know.

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Xhafer: I won't, I, I, I feel like if I

were to say anything about my opinions

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of this, knowing how this storyline

plays out in its entirety, I would be

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one, possibly casting aspersions that

I shouldn't be casting as spoilers.

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I don't know that they ever tell us.

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I don't remember them ever telling

us it, it might be a gaas thing,

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um,

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Laura: mean, GAAS, if we're

gonna like, um, use Gaas as, as a

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metaphor for certain times, it would

definitely have to be Gaas, right.

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Xhafer: For sure.

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Laura: But yeah, I was like, oh, I

kind of, I kind of want them to like.

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Give us an idea of where this came from.

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Like, 'cause it's, it seems

like a human cooperation idea.

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So the, the, the new Caprica police

is like, the, the silos are getting

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together humans to police themselves

so that the silos aren't sitting

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in toasters all the time, I guess.

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So they're gonna be, you

know, collaborators, right.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ty is asking Jamer to recruit Duck

here, but duck is Reluctant because of

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the whole about to have a baby thing.

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Tyro is like, I don't give a fuck

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clearly.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Tyrell's like, almost you should

care more maybe because you want

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better world for baby, right?

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Xhafer: And this is also

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Laura: It's hard.

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It's hard.

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Xhafer: this is also where we see Jean,

the other girl Jean is one of Andrew's

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lieutenants who was saved off of Caprica.

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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I had no

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Xhafer: She, she's in a bunch of stuff.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: they're gonna

hide guns in the temple.

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Pajamas, like, we live

in Highlander, guys.

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This is sacred grounds.

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You can't do that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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he could be one of the Gemini maybe, you

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Xhafer: he is.

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Yeah.

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Laura: with the, the Serious Spirituality.

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Um, so Duck's wife, also very

spiritual, and she's been praying

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to Aphrodite for this child.

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I like how Duck doesn't even have

the child yet, but he's like, uh, I'm

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making all my future decisions around

the possibility of having this child.

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I, I get it though.

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It's, yeah.

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Um,

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Xhafer: it's a consideration.

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Laura: Sure.

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And he tells her that he turned down

Jamer and Tero on their conspiracy offer.

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Xhafer: our resistance.

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Members get the guns into the

temple, disguising it as an altar.

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Duck is late for work in

a world without alarms.

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Bless up.

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Laura: Yeah.

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She, his wife is getting him up

and she's also badgering him like,

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you should come to the temple later

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and pray with me.

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But he's not gonna do that.

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He's not about that.

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Xhafer: But Cali is nor, and Cali go

to the temple and they're doing their

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little prayers and talking about, you

know, having a baby and not passing

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the Bechtel test as silences roll up.

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And they're like, Hey,

you're hiding guns in there.

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It's like we hear this commotion

and after this commotion, the

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centurion just light up the entire.

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Temple as Nora turns back to grab her

celery and she fucking dies for celery.

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Important of, look, I'm not

saying Beth from the other room.

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Celery is important.

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She's probably chopping some up for

the soup she's making right now.

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I'm not, bitch, I'm not

saying celery's not important.

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I like celery.

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If you were to limit me to eating one

vegetable for the le rest of my life.

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Celery would not be the first

thing I cut from that list.

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Oh, no.

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By far celery's tasty, but I'm

not fucking dying for celery.

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Laura: yeah.

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I can think of better

vegetables to die for.

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Xhafer: a really butter, it is a

good vehicle for peanut butter.

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I actually prefer celery and cream

cheese with a little paprika.

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Pro tip listener.

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Try that out sometime.

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That's a good, that's a good time.

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Uh, But I'm not fucking dying for celery.

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Laura: I think we need to

clarify for the listener too.

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If you are not watching the episodes

I want you to picture when, when we've

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been saying Temple, you might have

built a different picture in your mind.

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Xhafer: It's the same tent

everyone else has been in for

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Laura: It is definitely a.

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Tent.

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Yes.

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It's like mash tent.

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Uh, But not as funny because

there's no Hawkeye pierce in it.

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Um, and you know, just canvas

everything is canvas inside the temple.

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Even like the altars are canvas.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Boxes with canvases.

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Laura: Yes.

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Um, so when the cys light up it, we

don't even see them like, come in.

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It's all offscreen action.

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And I just assumed they started

just spraying bullets at the canvas.

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Not even coming inside

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Xhafer: mean, why would you?

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It's no need.

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Laura: it's canvas.

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Xhafer: canvas.

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It's canvas, and you've got bullets.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But Callie got away, Callie ducked

and she and the baby are fine.

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Nora not so much.

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Oh, and then we move into, this is

kind of where I was like, Ooh, duck

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: this acting's not great.

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He fake throws up when Callie

tells him what happened.

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Then start smashing stuff and the fake

throwing up was, the smashing stuff

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might've been fine if you hadn't prefaced

it with the fake throwing up, but the

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fake throwing up, I was like, oh man.

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Xhafer: is is rough.

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We get some real art student shots

of candle extinguishing and wine

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slowly dripping out of a glass.

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I wanna mention as well.

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Laura: Oh, was it wine?

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I thought they were making a blood

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Xhafer: I, well, I think

it's supposed to be, I don't

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Laura: Okay.

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We're supposed to be reminded

of the wine and the blood.

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That's a big thing with us.

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Yes.

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Xhafer: Let's make some some

Jesus allegory here for the

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Greek God war shipping Gemini.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: We love that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So I guess, I guess duck demands

to know from Tyrell if there,

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there were guns in there.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he wants to know if the

resistance is culpable in the death of

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his wife and they're all like sorry bro.

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After he's all like, does it matter?

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The silence thought they were so that's

all that matters is like, no, I think

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it actually matters a little bit.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: he kicks them

mall out of his tent.

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so here's where we start setting

up the things I think that are.

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Maybe gonna come up again in season three.

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Like Yeah, obviously we're trying to

resist, obviously we're trying to have

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weapons around somewhere, like we're

just kind of playing with that story.

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But we've got Jamer and Duck

that are both about to be moved.

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Two things.

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So, Ty tells us more

about the Temple Massacre.

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I think he said 10 dead and 12 wounded.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that

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Laura: I don't know how they fit.

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That many people in this canvas tent, but

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Xhafer: Well, the thing about

cannabis tents not stopping bullets.

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Laura: true, true.

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Xhafer: They didn't have

to have been into temple.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, probably some

bystanders trying to stop the

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silences from coming in the

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Xhafer: I mean, anyone in the tent behind

the temple or the tent behind that,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: the tent behind that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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They're just gonna keep going

until they hit something that's

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thicker than canvas rates, so

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Xhafer: I mean, there's an amount

of canvas that will stop a bullet.

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Don't ask me what amount

of canvas that is.

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Laura: couldn't tell you.

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Xhafer: It's, it's, it's not great.

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It's a not great amount of canvas.

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Laura: I wouldn't Google that right now.

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Listener

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Xhafer: wouldn't.

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Sure.

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Fucking wouldn't.

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Don't Google that.

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Oh God.

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Ty and Jean are callously stoked

about their recruitment issues being

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over since the temple shooting.

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Laura: oh yes, I forgot about that part.

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So they're like, Hey, you know, all

these people dying, that's gonna turn

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people against the CYS and Jamer iss.

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Like, Hey, all those people dying.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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How

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Laura: All those people

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Xhafer: How about those?

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dead people yeah.

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Laura: yeah.

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Uh, He's kind of figured

Saul out and says, you know,

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you, this is blood for blood.

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Like, you're not gonna stop

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and until you get them all killed, but

probably gonna get us all killed first.

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'cause there's a lot fewer of, of,

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Xhafer: Sure.

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R the silence grabbed jamer after this.

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You'd think they would grab some, like

higher ranking military officer to start,

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but I guess, you know, they didn't want

to pay Ty for another mini episode.

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Speaking of not paying people for mini

episodes I read a bunch about these.

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These were classified as promotional

materials so they don't pay residuals.

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Uh, Yeah.

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Laura: So every time we watch

them on YouTube uh, nothing

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happens for those actors, I guess.

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Xhafer: struck.

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Yeah.

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This, it literally, this was a big part

of what led to the writer's strike.

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That happens two years after this.

427

:

Laura: like things like

428

:

Xhafer: Things like this.

429

:

Yeah.

430

:

Laura: Oh,

431

:

Xhafer: Because this stuff

doesn't exist anymore.

432

:

For those reasons, the writer's Strike

made it so they had to pay residuals

433

:

on stuff like this, and that's

why things like this stopped being

434

:

produced after the writer's strike,

which happens in Midseason four for us

435

:

Laura: Yeah.

436

:

Okay.

437

:

I mean,

438

:

Xhafer: are

439

:

Laura: it, it doesn't seem that hard

to do it and just pay the residuals.

440

:

Right, because you're

getting YouTube ad fee income

441

:

Xhafer: I mean,

442

:

Laura: just pay them the

443

:

Xhafer: just, just fucking pay 'em.

444

:

Pay your artists.

445

:

Right.

446

:

I know.

447

:

Crazy.

448

:

Talk over here on who are you Today?

449

:

Pay Your Fucking Artists.

450

:

Laura: Yeah.

451

:

Wild.

452

:

Hmm.

453

:

so.

454

:

Jamer is like pacing around and Saul's,

455

:

Xhafer: There's an important bit here.

456

:

Laura: Okay.

457

:

Xhafer: Because.

458

:

Ty and Tyro are all like, yeah,

they took Jamer in for questioning

459

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

460

:

Xhafer: Ty asked Tyro how he

knew, and he says, boomer told me

461

:

Laura: Oh, yes.

462

:

Xhafer: it's a super throwaway

line that will matter later.

463

:

So I just want to make sure that we bring

up if, if nothing else from the resistance

464

:

matters, that throwaway line matters.

465

:

Laura: So Boomer, not Sharon,

who's been on the Galactica,

466

:

Xhafer: Boomer

467

:

Laura: boomer is on the inside

and for some reason communicating

468

:

Xhafer: out with Tyrell.

469

:

Laura: Gail and Terrell.

470

:

Xhafer: Yep.

471

:

Laura: Hmm.

472

:

I mean, she's gotta be

on the inside still.

473

:

Right.

474

:

That's how she

475

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean, she was

one of the, that was her and

476

:

Caprica six when they landed.

477

:

They even, they told

us that was Boomer, so,

478

:

Laura: Well, I mean, I'm saying she

could have like immediately defected

479

:

or something, but she clearly hasn't,

if she has knowledge like this, but

480

:

Xhafer: oh.

481

:

Yeah, I mean, what she's doing, you know

that that's all coming for later episodes,

482

:

but I wanted to make sure that

we drew attention to that.

483

:

Throwaway line because it's the only thing

that fucking matters outta this whole,

484

:

Laura: Yeah.

485

:

Xhafer: whole thing.

486

:

Laura: Oh, are you telling me that

they're not setting up some Jamer duck

487

:

stuff that'll happen in season three?

488

:

I felt like they must be,

489

:

Xhafer: Um, there, there will be jammers

in, I wanna say, I'm not gonna say

490

:

how many more episodes of the show uh,

491

:

Laura: going concern

492

:

Xhafer: but, but I mean,

he's in the next episode.

493

:

He is in a number of

episodes going forward.

494

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

495

:

Yeah, because, oh, well, well,

we'll get to it, but it felt

496

:

like, oh, they're setting up.

497

:

There's gonna be some actions that happen

with these characters in season three

498

:

that maybe you didn't need to know this,

because we know not everyone's gonna

499

:

watch the web episodes, but then you'll,

you'll at least know how they got set up

500

:

Xhafer: yeah.

501

:

I'm sure they'll take some deleted

b footage out of these and put

502

:

it in the last time ons too.

503

:

Laura: Yeah.

504

:

So Ty thinks that jammer's gonna

fold like a wet paper towel.

505

:

Xhafer: He, he's

506

:

Laura: I don't know if that's a phrase

507

:

Xhafer: not have a lot of confidence.

508

:

Laura: right.

509

:

Jammers.

510

:

Pacing in his cell, of course.

511

:

Freaking out.

512

:

And then we get our do all time.

513

:

Xhafer: they get a Doral to

do this interrogation, which

514

:

tells you the silences aren't

taking this seriously either.

515

:

Laura: oh.

516

:

You don't think a Doral is

good at interrogation, or

517

:

you think they just sent in the smug guy

518

:

Xhafer: yeah, I think they sent

in the smug guy to be smug.

519

:

Laura: Yeah.

520

:

Uh, He gives a jamer,

like a vitamin water.

521

:

Did you notice that?

522

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I I call it

Kool-Aid because he drinks it.

523

:

It's like, it's all like, how do

you feel about the sin of hiding

524

:

weapons in a house of worship?

525

:

And he literally drinks

the Kool-Aid in response.

526

:

Laura: That's good.

527

:

I like that.

528

:

Yeah.

529

:

Xhafer: like, this is where my notes go

on a tangent, and I say, this was clearly

530

:

made by Werner Herzog's drunk nephew.

531

:

And it wasn't,

532

:

Laura: like meaningful.

533

:

Yeah.

534

:

No.

535

:

Who was it made by?

536

:

Tell

537

:

Xhafer: it was made by Wayne Rose,

who's not a name, you know, uh, he

538

:

does all three sets of episodes.

539

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

540

:

Xhafer: He will direct three

episodes of Battlestar Galactica

541

:

Proper that we haven't seen yet.

542

:

Laura: Okay.

543

:

Xhafer: But he's got a bit of a

career in a certain type of show.

544

:

Laura: Oh.

545

:

Tell me more.

546

:

Xhafer: Okay.

547

:

Well, he's got, before this, these

are his, he's got three TV shows.

548

:

He's got 13 directing

credits between, he's got two

549

:

episodes of Cleopatra, 25, 25.

550

:

Laura: Oh.

551

:

Xhafer: He's got two episodes

of Jack of All Trades.

552

:

Which is they spinoff it's the

Bruce Campbell spinoff from

553

:

Xena and Hercules, I think,

554

:

Laura: I do like Bruce Campbell though.

555

:

Xhafer: and then nine episodes

of Power Rangers Ninja Storm.

556

:

Laura: Okay.

557

:

Xhafer: What he's doing here is

he's mostly in assistant director.

558

:

So sometimes he'll lead

the second directing unit.

559

:

Sometimes he'll be a first

assistant director or something.

560

:

So he does lots of like not

quite directing, directing work

561

:

or directing stuff that doesn't

require the main director, right?

562

:

So either offsite, there's

a bunch of reasons why.

563

:

He, for that, he was assistant director

on all, every single episode of Cleopatra.

564

:

25, 25.

565

:

Almost all of jack of all trades.

566

:

35 episodes combined between Xena and

Hercules and 51 episodes of Smallville.

567

:

Laura: Huh.

568

:

Okay.

569

:

Xhafer: Yep.

570

:

Laura: Yeah.

571

:

Um, that you're talking about, the

direction made me wonder, like, how

572

:

long does it take to film these,

because these are not like heavy things.

573

:

Xhafer: like one or two scenes of pop

574

:

Laura: Do you knock 'em

out in a couple of days?

575

:

Xhafer: I imagine that they did this

concurrently while filming episodes,

576

:

and I think that there's an, there's

a thing about that in the book I read

577

:

about the production, that that was how

they handled all of these episodes is

578

:

like, okay, well we're doing this thing.

579

:

We'll make some episodes while we're

doing it because these assistant director

580

:

has some extra time on his hands.

581

:

Laura: Yeah.

582

:

Yeah.

583

:

Like, okay.

584

:

Most of you are dismissed

for the afternoon.

585

:

We gotta knock out one of

these episodes real quick.

586

:

Go get it.

587

:

Xhafer: Yeah, exactly.

588

:

We're not using this set today because

we're filming on the galactic cassettes.

589

:

So while the tent for the new caprica

is set up, go ahead and film in there.

590

:

Go for it.

591

:

Laura: Yeah.

592

:

Yeah.

593

:

The one tent, and then the, the stage

hands are all like shifting out the props.

594

:

Like, okay, it's temple now.

595

:

Okay, it's Duck's tent now.

596

:

Okay, it's Gallion or whatever.

597

:

Yeah.

598

:

Yeah.

599

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

600

:

Laura: That's, that's fun.

601

:

I sometimes I wonder about that,

like, what is the production of

602

:

this like, and this is so different

than what other things were doing

603

:

at the time that I was like, huh.

604

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

605

:

Laura: Okay, well, he's

drunk the Kool-Aid,

606

:

Xhafer: he drinks the Kool-Aid.

607

:

Laura: Maybe somebody

leaked the information.

608

:

Dole says,

609

:

Xhafer: this is all false flag

information to endear public

610

:

support for the resistance.

611

:

Maybe the resistance wanted to get shot.

612

:

Have you thought about that?

613

:

Laura: you know, I

mean, Saul and Jean, was

614

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

615

:

Laura: Sure didn't put a

good look on themselves with.

616

:

So recruiting, callous recruiting

talk That poor Jamer observed.

617

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

618

:

And he's like, we can all be friends.

619

:

Humans.

620

:

And silence can be friends, right?

621

:

Laura: But you know,

what if, if individuals.

622

:

Make good choices, they can overcome

the system around them, right?

623

:

That's a thing that we've been

told in America a lot, right?

624

:

If we just make better choices for us,

ourselves we can overcome anything.

625

:

There's no systemic problems or things

around you that are insurmountable.

626

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

627

:

Laura: Just make good

choices as an individual.

628

:

Jamer.

629

:

Xhafer: Just uh, I want

you to inform a little bit.

630

:

I'm gonna give you the special SD card

that will come up later, probably.

631

:

Laura: Yeah.

632

:

Yeah.

633

:

I like that.

634

:

It's a little like tiny chip.

635

:

I was like, that's very silent.

636

:

Xhafer: like, what the fuck is this thing?

637

:

Laura: yeah.

638

:

Well, and it certainly won't be suspicious

at all if anybody finds it on your person.

639

:

Right.

640

:

This.

641

:

Weird little chip that we don't know

what it is when all of us humans have

642

:

very limited supplies of things and

everything has a purpose right now

643

:

on new Caprica.

644

:

Yeah.

645

:

And so we get jamer like staring at

the chip to probably the next episode.

646

:

I don't know.

647

:

I couldn't tell really where

they delineated sometimes.

648

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's all kind

of running into each other.

649

:

He gets a special card, duck cleans

up the uh, mess from his earlier

650

:

rage and sets up Nora's altar as

we get a close up to his tears.

651

:

Laura: oh, we, we skipped jammer's

exit and talking to Tyrell.

652

:

Xhafer: yeah.

653

:

Tyro's all like, Hey buddy, Y

you, you, you go in informer.

654

:

You did you do the thing?

655

:

Did did you do I, I wish I

could do snows in informer.

656

:

I do not have the hubris to

attempt snows in informer, but

657

:

just a little chick boom, boom.

658

:

Now you know it's a song.

659

:

Don't.

660

:

Don't worry about it.

661

:

It's a song that people

famously think that they could

662

:

do that no one can fucking do.

663

:

Oh no.

664

:

Laura: Gotcha.

665

:

but Jamer puts on like his.

666

:

Macho man face and tells Tyrell

that he told Dole to go frack

667

:

himself, which is like, he's so

obviously making that like this.

668

:

Come on, you're so obviously lying.

669

:

Tyrell, come on.

670

:

Xhafer: Right.

671

:

So then after this is when duck

goes through and cleans up the

672

:

mess and sets up Nora's alter as

he cries, and baby Nicholas is

673

:

baptized here at the same time.

674

:

Laura: Yeah.

675

:

Xhafer: Well, whatever.

676

:

Laura: Yeah.

677

:

Xhafer: I think they

678

:

Laura: Acknowledged religiously.

679

:

Xhafer: I think they call it a dedication.

680

:

Laura: Yeah, I think she used

the word something like that.

681

:

Like dedicated to the gods or whatever.

682

:

Xhafer: So,

683

:

Laura: sure.

684

:

And duck goes and joins,

what'd you call it?

685

:

Si.

686

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

687

:

Si to learn who their infra is.

688

:

He wants to know how they know.

689

:

Who's betraying 'em, all that stuff, so.

690

:

Laura: Yeah.

691

:

So.

692

:

We thought we had an informer

in the resistance, right?

693

:

Or we think that whether or not

that's true may never be revealed.

694

:

But then there now really is an

informer in the resistance because

695

:

jammers got the SD card and we've

got counter informer in size.

696

:

So.

697

:

I was like, this is, they must be

setting up, something is going to

698

:

happen with these two characters maybe

together, maybe separate but they're

699

:

setting something up for season three

that now we know a little more about

700

:

it, but it's not gonna be so like.

701

:

So detached that you have to watch

this to understand what's happening.

702

:

Take some notes.

703

:

George Lucas with your freaking movies.

704

:

Where I was supposed to watch the

Clone Wars in between to figure out

705

:

where we were between was, what was it?

706

:

Clone Wars and or Attack of the

Clones and Revenge of the fifth.

707

:

Xhafer: you really did not need

most of the clone wars was made

708

:

after revenge of the sit ad.

709

:

Laura: Yeah, but there was like

some stuff in there that I was

710

:

like, what the fuck is going?

711

:

Like, oh, it's, what's his name?

712

:

The, the bad guy at the very beginning.

713

:

That gets taken out pretty quickly.

714

:

I was like,

715

:

Xhafer: or not cous Duku.

716

:

Yeah.

717

:

Laura: I thought it was the,

I thought it was grievous.

718

:

Xhafer: Grievous is okay.

719

:

Duku gets killed in like the first

five minutes of revenge of the sth.

720

:

Grievous gets killed like 45

minutes into revenge of the sth.

721

:

Laura: Okay.

722

:

But still, it was like there was

supposed to be a whole backstory

723

:

there that I was supposed to know

and care about, and I did not.

724

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

725

:

Laura: George

726

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

727

:

He's not in anything except

the the clone wars bit.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

Laura: this is how you

make supplementary content

730

:

Xhafer: By not paying your writers.

731

:

Laura: Oh, whoops.

732

:

Xhafer: Oh, no.

733

:

Yep.

734

:

Yeah.

735

:

So after this Ty talks about wanting to

build bombs next to the fucking hospital,

736

:

like he's snidely fucking whiplash.

737

:

What is going on?

738

:

Ty feels so different, and I

don't know if it's just because

739

:

they get him for like one line,

740

:

but, but it's just like there

has to be a better place to build

741

:

bombs than next to the hospital.

742

:

Laura: Well, they, they won't think

we'll do it there, I think, is

743

:

Xhafer: Oh, just like they didn't think

they would have guns in the temple and

744

:

then they shot up the temple the second.

745

:

There were fucking guns there.

746

:

Laura: yeah, good point.

747

:

Good point.

748

:

It didn't work the first time.

749

:

Maybe don't try it again.

750

:

I don't know.

751

:

I was like, saw tie kind

of feels pretty like.

752

:

It's really hard not to view this

set of episodes without thinking

753

:

about the Palestinian Israel

754

:

conflict.

755

:

And I'm like, this feels very, like things

you hear about Hamas doing, about like,

756

:

using the bodies of women and children

to be their shield to do nasty things.

757

:

I don't know.

758

:

Not a, not a good look

all I don't like it.

759

:

Don't.

760

:

Don't want it.

761

:

Don't do it.

762

:

Don't take this turn.

763

:

There's still time,

764

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

765

:

Laura: except probably not because it's

been 67 days and you've made your choices.

766

:

So

767

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

768

:

Laura: yeah, it's unclear how much time is

supposed to have passed in these episodes.

769

:

It's not one day, right?

770

:

It

771

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's, it's definitely

feels like at least a couple of days.

772

:

Laura: like maybe a week, like

we have a little week long.

773

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

774

:

Laura: Something.

775

:

So then uh, we end on jamer

and duck sharing a cigarette.

776

:

Duck had earlier in the webi

episodes, told us he was quitting

777

:

because he was gonna have a baby.

778

:

and then Jamer leaves considers

the SD card and goes, walks away

779

:

to maybe go turn in his chips.

780

:

I don't know,

781

:

Xhafer: we'll see.

782

:

But that's.

783

:

It.

784

:

That's our episodes.

785

:

Laura: Yeah,

786

:

Xhafer: so, I I, I guess we

could rate this if we wanted.

787

:

I don't, I'm not gonna hold this to it.

788

:

Laura: that feels mean.

789

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's, it does not

half the production of a normal

790

:

episode of Battlestar Gala

791

:

Laura: Right?

792

:

Right.

793

:

It's, it's clearly wasn't.

794

:

Taken at the same level of effort.

795

:

I don't think we should.

796

:

Be mean to them,

797

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

798

:

Laura: be mean to people

who are trying their best.

799

:

Xhafer: so we'll just, we'll just

gracefully skip over that this time.

800

:

Instead, I'll tell you what

happens the next episode.

801

:

Well, not what happens, but the preview.

802

:

We've got season three,

episode one, occupation.

803

:

Coming up next week, Ty, Tyrell

and Anders lead the resistance

804

:

on new Caprica to increasingly

deadly attacks against the cys.

805

:

Kara finds herself trapped in

a new life with Leo Obin and

806

:

Duck makes a fateful decision.

807

:

Laura: What?

808

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

809

:

Laura: Um, I'm not, I'm not

so concerned about Duck.

810

:

I kind of saw something with him

coming, but Kara's stuck with Leo Obin.

811

:

Wow.

812

:

So she's been like kidnapped and

is being held hostage or something?

813

:

Xhafer: The, the caption is like bin,

like standing over Kara in a really

814

:

like nice looking house kind of a thing.

815

:

Like it almost looks like

it's dream guy's house.

816

:

Laura: Oh, wow.

817

:

Xhafer: yeah, things are, things are very

different over there than Kentsville.

818

:

Um.

819

:

One last little bit.

820

:

Meanwhile, on Galactica, Adama struggles

with the question of whether to return

821

:

to new caprica to mount a rescue.

822

:

Attempt,

823

:

Laura: yeah.

824

:

Wow, so I guess.

825

:

Uh, uh, when we left Anders, he was pretty

sick and I don't think we got, we didn't

826

:

get the antibiotics because she was on the

phone with Lee when the cylon showed up.

827

:

Right.

828

:

So.

829

:

I guess Anders must have gotten better

on his own, or maybe he's getting worse.

830

:

I don't know.

831

:

Xhafer: Well he is in the next

episode so we'll find out there.

832

:

Uh, I do wanna ask though, just,

um, well, I've got two things

833

:

actually before we wrap up.

834

:

One, how many episodes do you think

we're going to be on New Caprica?

835

:

Laura: oh, that's a great question.

836

:

So it's a 20 episode season, 20.

837

:

Ish.

838

:

Right.

839

:

I don't think we leave new Caprica.

840

:

In the first episode.

841

:

Like, I don't think that's gonna happen.

842

:

Uh, I mean, I guess it's been

over 60 something days for sure.

843

:

So maybe they've figured something out or

maybe there's a time problem in, in here.

844

:

But Galactica would have to be

like harvesting some resources,

845

:

I would think in the 60 days

846

:

Xhafer: uh, doing something.

847

:

Yeah.

848

:

Laura: You gotta get some shit together.

849

:

Maybe cobble together some more.

850

:

Bullets.

851

:

I feel like we've gotta spend

it about at least five to 10.

852

:

Xhafer: Okay.

853

:

Laura: That would be

half the season though.

854

:

Hmm.

855

:

I don't

856

:

Xhafer: the season.

857

:

Yeah,

858

:

Laura: maybe five to get off.

859

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

860

:

I mean, I'm not gonna confirm

anything, but I was just

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curious what your thoughts were

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: and then I do

have an update for you.

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Laura: Oh, an update.

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Xhafer: The results of the quiz,

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Laura: Did someone dispute

the results of the quiz?

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Xhafer: results of the quiz were not

disputed, but when the notion of the

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quiz and its prize made itself evident to

spoil or chat, they brought up something

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that you had said sometime in the two

seasons of Battlestar Galactica coverage.

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And I'm not going to be more

specific than that because I

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don't want you to try and guess.

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But you made at one point in the history

of our show, an off ball comment that

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absolutely nails a twist in this series,

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Laura: Oh my God.

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Xhafer: uh, To the point where

spoiler chat was like, okay,

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so she was close on the quiz.

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Well, remember this and I'm all like.

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Laura: chat.

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I love you.

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Xhafer: Fair enough.

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Spoiler chat, she gets to pick.

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She's earned it.

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So, if I win this next season of LTO

you'll get to pick the show that we watch,

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Laura: Oh my

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Xhafer: logistics and eligibility.

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All pending and all that stuff.

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We'll figure all that

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out later.

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But yeah.

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Laura: Wow.

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Well, thank you Spoiler chat

for coming to my defense.

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I wish I could remember the things

that I say after I say them.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm not too worried about.

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It.

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Uh,

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Laura: Yeah, I'm, I'm

never gonna figure it out.

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Never even if, even if I had

the time, which I do not, to go

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back and listen to every single

episode, I would not figure it out.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: I'm trying to make it as an

ambiguous as possible to not even tempt

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you to try to figure out what it is.

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Laura: I, I don't have this time,

so let's just know that and move on.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I'm excited about that.

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Thank you.

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Spoiler chat.

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You guys got my back.

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Xhafer: do.

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They do.

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Laura: It is nice to know

they're being kind to me.

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Xhafer: Oh, they are a hundred percent.

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They're being kind to you believe me.

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Like spoil Everyone in spoiler chat

knows you're not in spoiler chat.

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: oh, I would say.

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A third of spoiler chat, at least

a third of the things that start in

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spoiler chat are like, JFI, I can't

believe you said this, or, I can't

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believe you kept a straight face during

this, or like this thing or that.

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And I'm just all like, ha ha guys.

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It's fun.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, most people when they, they

think that there's like a group of people

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talking about them behind their back.

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Most people are overreacting to something

and that is not really happening, but it

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is happening to me and I'm enjoying it

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because I trust you guys to be kind.

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So

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Xhafer: I mean our

Discord is a kind place,

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Laura: yes, famously.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Alright, well with all that

said, we should probably

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say a couple of thank yous.

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Laura: We should,

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Xhafer: Hey Jeremy.

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Jeremy Siegel.

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42.

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I saw you.

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You posted a thing.

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You're doing a little like interview

thing with basis in the Gainesville area.

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That's fucking cool.

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Laura: yeah.

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Basis

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famously

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Xhafer: I'm a bassist,

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i, I vibe.

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So, uh, keep that up.

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Jeremy Siegel, 42 bandcamp.com

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nuclear, Jaguar, all kinds of bands.

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Thanks so much for our theme song.

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We appreciate you buddy.

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Laura: And thanks to angry

Duck time machine on Instagram

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for the podcast artwork.

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Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this episode.

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Appreciate you so much.

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Laura: And thanks listeners for being here

and for being very kind in the discord.

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I can't tell you how much I

appreciate that community at this

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kind of just, I don't know, very

weird transitional time in my.

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Life.

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It is nice to just like have cool

people around that are cool hangs,

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and I love you all very much.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So join the

Discord if you are also.

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Cool and like chill hangs.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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All right, well we'll see you next week.

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Internet.

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Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.