Episode 153

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Published on:

25th Dec 2024

BSG S1E1 - Sorry I Made You Do a War Crime, Son (Featuring Ben from LTO)

Ben from Last Time On joins Laura and Xhafer to bring you some Podmas cheer with one of the best episodes of BSG: Season 1, Episode 1 - 33. Laura wonders if God is a Cylon. Ben thinks about Rome. Xhafer suddenly disappears and reappears, garnering suspicion from his co-hosts.

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Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We are a reasonably well done

sci fi watchcast hosted by two

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friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jafar,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and today we're joined

by my co host on Last Time On,

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my former co host of Draft of the

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Universe, which is our old

dead podcast my co host.

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co captain

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of the LARP team a number of years,

and one of my very best friends

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in the whole wide world, Ben.

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Ben: everybody.

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I'm glad to be back.

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You may recognize me

as Lieutenant Matheson.

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Uh,

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Xhafer: We can't acknowledge those.

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Ben: no.

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Laura: I sure hope that your

microphone really picked up you

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cracking your neck because I heard it

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Ben: I'm sorry.

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Laura: your intro.

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Xhafer: how we doing?

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Ben: I am doing okay.

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I am very excited to be

here talking to you guys.

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I'm glad I got to hear that first

episode of your Battlestar coverage drop.

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Jaffer, I appreciate

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the position you're in.

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And I just, I'm going to say,

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it's going to be easier if you just

lean into whatever Laura's saying.

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Don't worry about what's

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true.

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Don't worry about your

burden of knowledge.

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Just play in the space.

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Laura: Just yes and.

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Ben: was true?

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What if whatever random,

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you know, theories and hypotheses

Laura comes up with were true?

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Let's live in that space.

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Laura: like

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Xhafer: says is right instead

of can't deny everything.

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Ben: Or, or, What if you make it weirder?

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Let's get weird, Ja'far!

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Like, oh, you

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Xhafer: weird with it

over on Last Time On?

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Yep,

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Ben: Yes, birds are

robots that are Cylons.

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Laura: Oh man, that's the hot new

conspiracy theory just dropping now, guys.

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Xhafer: birds are robots are cylons.

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So, Ben, I don't know if you just really

remember this episode, like, really liking

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this episode, or if there's like a moment

or memory you have with this episode

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when we told you that we were going to

be doing Battlestar after Babylon 5.

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Like.

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Two years ago, like when we

were first talking about it.

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Ben: Well, and before you even

announced what you were doing, I'm

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like, you're doing Battlestar next.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Your, your first words

to me when confirmed.

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Yes.

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We're going to do Battlestar next,

or maybe even before confirmed.

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It's like we're talking

about maybe Battlestar next.

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Were dibs on 33.

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Ben: Oh yeah.

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Xhafer: Why?

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Yeah.

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Ben: Well, I firmly believe it

is one of the best pieces of sci

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fi ever written.

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It is just Astounding in what it's trying

to do, what it succeeds at doing there

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are some things where you're just like,

hey, if somebody else had even the same

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premise, how would they have executed it?

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What would they have done differently?

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And we can get into some of the stuff

where it's just like, why are they doing

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like they have, over the course of this,

you know, Hundreds of space battles.

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We don't see them.

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Uh, you know, we see

ships that are shot up.

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We don't see the fighting.

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Now, could that be CG, you know, CG

budgets, or we've got so much to get

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through that actually takes away from

the story, that thing that, you know,

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we were just complaining about in

the expanse, where it's just like not

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seeing a whole lot of space battle

in these giant epic space battles

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Ben: you know, in this one, like

until you've watched it four times,

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you, you, You might even miss it.

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I remember very vividly when we

did back on Draft the Universe.

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We did an episode of drafting our best

single episodes of science fiction.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Ben: And my number one pick, that

I know I stole from Ja'far, was 33.

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before before The Inner Light,

before uh, The Visitor, before,

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any of the, the episodes you could

pick from Babylon 5, I picked 33.

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Because, as great as the miniseries is,

it is setting the feel, the tone, you

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know exactly the stakes of this show.

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And it's compelling.

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We're not doing, like, one of the nice

things about starting your show off with

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a mini series is the pilot doesn't have to

set the table stakes, which can be tough

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in a, we've got 44 minutes, you gotta cut

in ad breaks, okay, what are the Cylons?

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Okay, why, why is the fleet gone?

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Okay, why do they have all these

civilian ships going around?

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We handled that last year in two hours.

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Xhafer: Three.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Ben: Yeah, now we get to talk about what

is the existence of a fleet on the run.

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Bad guys are chasing you.

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They are robits.

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They don't sleep.

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They don't, you know, they don't care.

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In fact, they could be, like, if I was

a Cylon, I wouldn't be doing this the

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way they were, but I'm not a Cylon.

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And so, what's going on?

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Why, why is it happening the way it is?

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It, it just is, and we

have to deal with the now.

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We are the 50, 000 humans left alive.

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Laura: Mmhmm.

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Xhafer: No, it's, it's undeniably

a great episode of television.

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Uh

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Laura: Yeah.

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I was on the edge of

my butt the whole time.

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Mmhmm.

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Ben: does end with a character

accepting the Lord into their heart.

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And uh, I want to start with that.

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No.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: That fucking guy, though.

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Xhafer: That fucking guy.

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Ben: Laura, I love that you have Baltar

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clocked from minute

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one.

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Doesn't

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Laura: sucks.

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Ben: It doesn't matter that

he's Picard's dad, you hate him.

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Xhafer: More reason actually.

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Ben: but he turns out

to not have been a bad

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guy.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ben: No, because the whole

point of season two is him,

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Laura: hey, hey.

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Oh, oh,

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season two.

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Okay, you're talking Picard.

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Ben: is Picard realizing

like, Oh, my mom had

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really bad mental illness,

which is weird because

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in the TOS timeline they talk about how

they've cured all that we want to do

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compelling storytelling, I understand.

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And being like, Oh, my

dad was trying to protect

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me from my mom who was in the middle

of a incredible manic episode.

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Um, and I hated him

for it because I didn't

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understand.

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He was also very callous and

closed off, but he's French.

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Laura: So this actor was in Picard, huh?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ben: Callis played Picard's

dad in season 2 of Picard.

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Laura: Did not catch that at all.

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Ben: He sounds very different.

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Laura: And I had no context for

like, seeing him in the show

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first.

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but boy.

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Anyway, this is not a Picard podcast.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: uh, we should

just get into the episode.

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We open on.

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A crew clearly exhausted.

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Ben: And just so many clocks ticking,

Captain conniption fit somewhere,

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Xhafer: Bad day for Hook.

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For sure.

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We learn that the fleet's

been jumping at an interval.

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Every 33 minutes the Cylons catch up.

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And it's been like this

for the last five days.

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Now, they tell us how many jumps

it's been in a scene, but I do

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want you to know I did do the math.

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Ben: Me too,

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Xhafer: It's 218 for exactly 5

days, but we're actually at 237.

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Laura: So I guess, would that

technically be we're in the sixth day?

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Like we're, we're taking

down the sixth day.

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We've had five days.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Ben: and this did make me want to ask

you guys like we go around the clock

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we see around the horn We see all the

different clocks we get the Callie

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explains what's going on a minute uh,

and then everybody's just reacting.

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What's the longest you guys

have gone without sleep?

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Laura: don't know if I can actually.

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Clock that for sure, you

know, having had two children.

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Xhafer: Yeah, without any sleep,

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Ben: Yeah, none at all.

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Xhafer: probably 36 hours.

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Laura: Yeah, I know I've done at least

that freshman year finals first semester.

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That was a horrid, horrible mistake.

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Three days.

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Ben: yeah, three

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days.

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And that was bad.

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It was bad times.

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Laura: Oof.

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Yeah.

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Ben: Ja'far and I used

to work at a night job.

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Where, not getting, where we, for a

while we worked days and then nights.

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And so we'd snatch like three

hours in the afternoon and then

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three hours in the morning.

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And then keep rolling.

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And I will tell you, I have never hated

a human being more than when we had

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finished a job, we were finally ready to

go home for the weekend, and we find out

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Ja'far has agreed to do another isle.

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Xhafer: We made it

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Ben: We didn't have to do it, Ja'far.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Ben: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, there, I'm sure

there were some times in the,

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specifically that summer.

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That summer we worked day

shift and night shift.

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Because we had, like,

three, four day weekends.

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And we were working well

over 40 hours a week.

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Ben: Oh, 60,

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70 hours.

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Xhafer: Yeah, easy.

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And we, at the very least, had Friday,

Saturday, Sunday off every week.

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So, we were really, really packing it

in there and sleeping very, very little.

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I remember being grateful for 30 minute

naps in the car, sometimes, in those days.

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That summer was crazy.

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Ben: Probably took years off our lives.

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Xhafer: It might

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have.

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Ben: That's why we look like crap.

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Xhafer: I mean, at the very

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least, it.

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significantly accelerated my graying.

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Laura: So, we, we are jumping every 33

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minutes, right?

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And it seems like we have no

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crew to rotate so that

people could, I don't even

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know.

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Could you sleep through

a faster than light jump?

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It seems like maybe not.

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Xhafer: I'm sure you could

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after practice or exhaustion.

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Ben: It doesn't seem pleasant.

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Laura: Yeah, that's

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true.

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Xhafer: I'm sure there are people who are.

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Ben: But they do not have a force shift

rotation going on on the Galactica.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: Seems like they don't

have a one shift rotation.

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Laura: Yeah,

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like we were skeleton crew.

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Ben: it was interesting, Jaffer was

hypothesizing, hey, when they jumped the

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first time in the miniseries, is this the

first time they have all jumped, you know.

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And, it doesn't seem like it,

cause like, some of them are

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just like, Oh man, I hate this.

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Like, they've been through a jump before,

have they jumped as a crew with this ship?

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Laura: Yeah, that's probably

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Ben: not.

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And now it's, you've done this dozens

and dozens of times on Zero Sleep.

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It's just a real trial by fire.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: We should be

really good at this now.

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After this episode, I would

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Xhafer: I mean, that's, that's

Lee's point in a couple of scenes.

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Um, so we get the theme here.

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No words over the theme.

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I had called that incor

recalled that incorrectly.

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I'm guessing that starts in a couple of

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Ben: It, it shows up later

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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but we do get a count of the

number of humans left alive a

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number of times in this episode.

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And it is in the background as we go

to theme in Rosalind's little office,

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that makeshift office on Colonial

One, which is uh, 000 50, 298.

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Um, I

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Ben: and that gets a

adjusted in the episode.

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Xhafer: It does.

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I had completely forgotten that

this show does the flashes of the

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episode at the end of the theme.

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That is something I had completely

forgotten that was a device

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in this story, in this show.

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What a fun storytelling

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device.

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Did you know what was going

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on here, Laura?

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Laura: I didn't, to be honest.

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I'm like sitting here with a

blank look on my face like,

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what is Ja'far talking about?

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Okay,

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Xhafer: screen flashes of

stuff that happens throughout

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the course of this episode.

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And that is

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Laura: I'll look for that

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Xhafer: in every episode going

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forward.

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Laura: Oh, that's

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fancy.

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What a fancy touch.

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Yeah.

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Ben: you guys did

mention, Hey, who is gada?

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I'll just say Gada my favorite character.

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He is my uh, Gomez of this

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show.

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He's my boy.

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He's not the third officer.

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He's the tactical officer.

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Laura: Oh,

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Ben: The third officer is Captain Kelly.

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He's the guy from the

miniseries who tries to send

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in the rescue teams, and Ty is just

like, no, vent it all to space.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Oh,

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Ben: That is the third officer.

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Laura: I didn't catch that.

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Okay.

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Interesting.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I did a little bit

of reading after the miniseries

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to make sure that I was up

to date on some things, and I

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Laura: Yeah, you guys will have to

correct me when I misspeak for, for

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things like that, because I will not know.

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Ben: There is no reason you would

know they didn't say his name.

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Laura: yeah.

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yeah.

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Xhafer: we flash forward

a little bit here.

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130.

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35 hours, 5 days, 10 hours, 21

minutes, exactly 237 33 minute jumps.

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Ben: We get a very quick, fighters

out, all right, everybody engage, okay,

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call everybody back, combat landing.

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It's like, we don't see anything blow

up, we don't see anybody get shot, but

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Xhafer: Mm

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Ben: it is still very

exciting, very dynamic.

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Laura: yeah.

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I think the most we see in this

episode is just like guns firing.

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Like we, we get shots at that, but we

don't actually see any battle battle.

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Ben: And one of my favorite things about

the Vipers is how beautiful and elegant

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their launch system is, and then their

landing is just, crash into the ship.

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Uh huh.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's, it's very on brand

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for Starbuck.

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She's going to do a lot of

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that, I

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Xhafer: She does.

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Commander Adama talks about splitting

up the fleet, just to see what

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happens.

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Lee's running his CAG meeting.

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CAG, of course,

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stands for Commander of the Air Group.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I heard Starbuck call him

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CAG at some point, but I

had no idea what she was

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Xhafer: It was a promotion he

received in the miniseries,

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very briefly mentioned.

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Laura: Okay.

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Ben: That is one of my

favorite things about

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this show is they really lean into

military jargon making you feel like

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I'm on a space aircraft carrier.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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It's one of those things that if I

have enough context, maybe I'll catch

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the uh, the actual meaning of it.

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I, I understood, like, he's in

command, but I didn't know what it

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Ben: And, and they, they do a

good enough job that you, you

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can just use context clues.

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It's fine.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, after this we move

over to Boomer and Crashdown.

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I don't think they tell us,

Crashdown's name in this episode.

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Laura: Oh, no.

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He's just some guy

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Ben: You talking about Darth Maul?

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Xhafer: I am talking about Darth Maul.

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That is Sam Witwer, the voice

of Darth Maul in the Clone Wars,

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and his most recent role, Captain James

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T.

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Kirk, in the reunification spot for the

30th anniversary of star Trek Generations

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that the Roddenberry Archive just dropped.

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He is the, he's the Kirk with,

he's wearing prosthetics to

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make him look like Shatner, but,

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Laura: Wow.

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Ben: Yeah, he's cool.

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I like him.

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Xhafer: He is the dude that Dave

Filoni calls when Dave Filoni

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needs to know something about Star

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Wars.

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Which tells you everything you

need to know about Sam Witwer.

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That

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Ben: Like, that is my

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: sounds like a fun room.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, no, when this

guy is talking to Boomer though,

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I'm going, Noooo, the whole time.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Woah.

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Ben: this is AAPI Hate Laura.

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Laura: It's not my fault the

Cylons made her the way she is.

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Ben: You're right, she's a bird.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But she clearly doesn't.

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She's I mean, they said it pretty

much in the miniseries, right?

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That they can be anywhere and

not know that they're Cylons.

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And I'm like, well, she clearly doesn't.

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Ben: And she is Kurt with him.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, Sharon is having a bad day.

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Laura: Well, I mean, aren't we all?

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We've been up for five days.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Duwala goes to ask about her family

when she finds the picture boards.

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Laura: Yeah, this is very reminiscent

s,:

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Ben: It's also very 9

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Memorial Wall.

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it, it it is interesting, like,

looking back, cause this, this show

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is much like, later Enterprise, very

in, like, very much of that moment,

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and it's interesting going

back now, 20 years later.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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I, I was like, oh, this is like

the fence, like, you know, people

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still leave stuff at the Oklahoma

City Bombing Memorial Fence,

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like,

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Ben: Mm hmm.

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Laura: all the time, and it's just

like, wow, that's really of a moment.

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Ben: but it's also just like, oh

man, 12 planets full of people,

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plus everyone in space, there's

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50, 000 of you left.

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I don't know, like, D is a I

don't think I would even bother

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going to this uh, uh, this board.

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Or to this uh, this, this person who's

trying to figure out who's still alive.

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That's

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Laura: can you imagine being that guy?

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Like,

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Ben: Which is the population

of a not big town.

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Laura: Go leave their

picture on the board.

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Yeah.

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And you've also been up for five days.

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Oh, so dramatic.

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Mm

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Xhafer: the survivor board 49, And then,

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Yep.

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Laura: hmm.

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Ben: Valley, Arizona.

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Or Everett, Massachusetts.

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Or Everett, Massachusetts.

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Towns you've probably never

heard of, and that's all of us.

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:

Xhafer: A Dr.

438

:

Emmerach is requesting an

audience with the President.

439

:

Gaius knows him.

440

:

Ben: Also, Gaius tells his his Vision

6 girlfriend he doesn't want kids,

441

:

and she's not happy about that.

442

:

Laura: Yeah, what's up with that?

443

:

Xhafer: Well, you're a figment of

my imagination, so, Sure, I guess?

444

:

Like, what's, what's to lose here?

445

:

I guess you'll know if you're lying, but,

446

:

Laura: yeah, no, Six is like all

over the place in this episode, and

447

:

I am thinking maybe it's partly a

reflection of like his mental state

448

:

for being awake for five days.

449

:

Xhafer: maybe it is.

450

:

They Gaius has two conversations

at the same time here when he's

451

:

talking to Billy and Laura and 6PT.

452

:

And I love this.

453

:

This is great writing.

454

:

Laura: mm hmm, yep,

455

:

Xhafer: The like, answer and

then pause and then the other

456

:

part of the answer that makes the

sentence have a different meaning.

457

:

It's so good.

458

:

Laura: yeah, and his acting

in this is just amazing.

459

:

Amazing.

460

:

Like he looks insane.

461

:

Ben: There, there are, there are actors

who I feel it's important to be like, Hey.

462

:

I respect what you're doing by making

me hate this character so much.

463

:

And James Callis is one of those people

where I beseech you, make sure you are

464

:

Separating how much this guy is a creep

with how good a job the actor is doing.

465

:

Laura: Sure.

466

:

Ben: I don't know, he, he, I, I

am glad he is in this production.

467

:

As much as I, like, want to

throw Baltar out of the nearest

468

:

airlock, and I'm like, Why are you

guys not doing that immediately?

469

:

Laura: Yeah.

470

:

Yeah.

471

:

Like he, he's in real danger

of being Joffrey these days.

472

:

I think if you put this up like, yeah.

473

:

Xhafer: back on Caprica Hilo takes

out two Cylons with his mind trap.

474

:

Laura: Yeah.

475

:

Ben: And, do you want to know

something really, this isn't spoilers

476

:

or anything, But do you want to know

something really cool about Helo?

477

:

So, uh, Timoa Pinkett,

and this whole storyline?

478

:

Laura: sure.

479

:

Ben: I don't know if

you know this, Ja'far.

480

:

I'm assuming you don't, Laura.

481

:

This wasn't supposed

to be part of the show!

482

:

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

483

:

No.

484

:

Hilo is supposed to just be dead.

485

:

Right.

486

:

Ben: Helo is just supposed to be dead,

But then, when they made the miniseries,

487

:

they were just like, This guy's pretty

cool, and we like working with him.

488

:

What if we just write a story

for him back on Caprica?

489

:

And, like, the answer could be,

because it's super expensive, and

490

:

now we have a whole second unit at

a different location filming in the

491

:

woods in the rain, and, like, we have

to write a whole extra storyline.

492

:

It's like, yeah, but

Tomoe's pretty cool, right?

493

:

Uh

494

:

Xhafer: Well, I have good news for the

production staff, and that is, you've

495

:

already got your Battlestar sets.

496

:

You're good?

497

:

Yeah.

498

:

Laura: Yeah, right.

499

:

At least this is just the woods.

500

:

We've got those around, lying around.

501

:

Yeah,

502

:

Xhafer: out to Vasquez Rocks.

503

:

You'll be fine.

504

:

Laura: yeah, he's being like most

dangerous gamed here by the Cylons.

505

:

And I wrote down in my notes, how is

nuclear everything not killing him?

506

:

But then they answered that for me later.

507

:

So that was, that was good.

508

:

I'm glad they did.

509

:

Xhafer: Yeah, he takes some rad away.

510

:

Laura: Yeah.

511

:

Xhafer: Adama gets his ten

minutes of rest while Lee talks

512

:

to Kara about taking some stins.

513

:

Laura: when Apollo and Starbuck are

talking, and I'm going to abbreviate

514

:

Starbuck's name as S bucks in my

notes forever because, yeah, Starbies.

515

:

I just, I wrote down fuck already because,

like, the energy is already there, guys.

516

:

Like, they're ready.

517

:

They just need to.

518

:

Ben: She was engaged to his brother.

519

:

Laura: You know, there's only

50, 000 of them left, Ben.

520

:

Come on.

521

:

Xhafer: least she got a much better

haircut than she had in the miniseries.

522

:

Laura: Yeah.

523

:

Yeah.

524

:

Not so

525

:

Xhafer: Heh.

526

:

Yeah, it's significantly smoother.

527

:

actually used

528

:

some

529

:

Ben: I do love they have this whole,

they have this whole fight where

530

:

Xhafer: heh.

531

:

Ben: is insubordinate.

532

:

One, because it's in her nature,

but also to prove a point.

533

:

And then complies, and then it

cuts over to Chief Tyrell who's

534

:

just like, what the fuck was that?

535

:

Laura: No.

536

:

He's thinking what I'm thinking.

537

:

He's like, you guys just

need to fuck already.

538

:

Just get it done.

539

:

Xhafer: We get a glimpse of

how Kara would act as Kag here.

540

:

And Lee is grateful she isn't.

541

:

She takes the pills.

542

:

Hilo takes the aforementioned Rad

Away when he sees a Six, and then

543

:

gets captured by a Centurion.

544

:

Ben: Which somehow he didn't hear.

545

:

Which is one of those like, okay,

maybe he's, you know, he's been

546

:

running for five and a half days.

547

:

He's just shot a syringe into his neck,

like, okay, he's got stuff going on.

548

:

But the one thing we know

about centurions is they loud.

549

:

They noise boys.

550

:

Uh,

551

:

Xhafer: Boys.

552

:

Yep,

553

:

Laura: So that's the,

just the big metal voice.

554

:

Okay.

555

:

Okay.

556

:

Ben: Why they're centurions

without any legions, I don't know.

557

:

The nomenclature doesn't make any sense.

558

:

Xhafer: There's silence, Ben.

559

:

Don't worry, it's don't

560

:

Ben: Also, a centurion is

in charge of 80 people.

561

:

Just so you know, a little

Roman history fact for you.

562

:

Laura: Well, that seems wrong.

563

:

Xhafer: Does is it 100 with support staff?

564

:

Ben: That is what it is.

565

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that makes sense.

566

:

Alright uh, we get jump 238 complete here.

567

:

And the Olympic carrier was left behind.

568

:

Laura: Ope.

569

:

Xhafer: The Olympic carrier is not

the name of the ship, by the way.

570

:

It's Fun fact.

571

:

The Olympic Carrier is

the name of the airlines.

572

:

And it was just like,

Olympic Carrier flight blah.

573

:

And then they just shortened it to the

Olympic Carrier because it was really

574

:

weird to say the flight number in the

575

:

Ben: When you are the only one left.

576

:

No, uh,

577

:

Laura: Yeah, so we find out there

were 1, 345 people, I think?

578

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

579

:

Bringing 47, 972.

580

:

Ben did you look up more small towns?

581

:

Okay.

582

:

Okay.

583

:

Ben: it's hard to find small

towns around 50, 000 people.

584

:

The lists kind of stop around 100, 000.

585

:

I was only able to find, hey, here,

here's the census listing of the

586

:

towns that just hit 50, 000 people.

587

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

588

:

Laura: And you're like,

but I wanted the ones right

589

:

Ben: just under that.

590

:

What happens if there was a bad bus crash?

591

:

Laura: Heh.

592

:

Ben: But we do get Ty X O

ing his little head off here.

593

:

Uh, Where he's just

like, I know you're tired.

594

:

I know you're angry.

595

:

I know there's no relief.

596

:

But we can't screw up.

597

:

Laura: I feel like that's a little

hard on the crew because, like,

598

:

there's a whole other crew over

there on the Olympic carrier that

599

:

could've also been who fucked it up.

600

:

Like, we don't really

know who fucked it up.

601

:

Right?

602

:

Ben: D should have had some record.

603

:

Laura: Okay.

604

:

Ben: So if they broke down and

couldn't make the jump, she

605

:

should have had a record of that.

606

:

If they had jumped and had left

the last place, then they could

607

:

say, hey, maybe they screwed up

and went to the wrong coordinates.

608

:

But she doesn't have that either.

609

:

So, she did make a mistake.

610

:

Laura: Okay.

611

:

Yeah,

612

:

Ben: She's also gotta record a hundred

and twenty something ships every jump.

613

:

Laura: Yeah.

614

:

Yeah, it's a lot of math.

615

:

Ben: Then we get the serendipity

of who was on the Olympic

616

:

Xhafer: Yes, Aramak was on the

Olympic carrier, Gaius got so lucky.

617

:

we move to the end of the

timer, no Dratus contact.

618

:

Laura: weird.

619

:

Xhafer: Did you want to talk

about whether it's a initialism

620

:

acronym or portmanteau, Ben?

621

:

Ben: No we did talk about this because

I feel it's very important to know

622

:

the difference between an initialism,

an acronym, and a portmanteau.

623

:

Just because it makes me

feel superior to people.

624

:

Xhafer: It is a port, it's a portmanteau

625

:

because it, because it's chunks.

626

:

So even if, though it's the

first bit of the words, which is

627

:

not a traditional portmanteau.

628

:

Because a portmanteau is usually

the first bit of one word and

629

:

the last bit of another word.

630

:

Laura: Sure.

631

:

Xhafer: But not exclusively,

so it is a portmanteau.

632

:

Okay.

633

:

I wasn't sure if that would still count.

634

:

Ben: Yeah.

635

:

so it's direction, range, distance DRADIS.

636

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

637

:

Laura: Thanks to Victor for throwing

that up in the discord today.

638

:

I definitely said, Oh, out loud

in the final I was proctoring for.

639

:

Xhafer: Nice.

640

:

Laura: No, I didn't.

641

:

Xhafer: Not like the students care.

642

:

They'll

643

:

Laura: But I noticed it

and I was like, Oh, cool.

644

:

Yeah.

645

:

Xhafer: 132 hour, 132.

646

:

15 hours.

647

:

So 45 minutes has passed.

648

:

Ben: And we have our first, okay,

get every, get everybody some sleep.

649

:

Shut things down.

650

:

Start our, you know,

651

:

Xhafer: heh heh.

652

:

Ben: around with just our three ships.

653

:

Who's on drugs?

654

:

Alright, you guys, you're not

going to be able to sleep anyway.

655

:

And they joke about how, Oh man, Boomer,

you're holding up better than anybody.

656

:

You must be a Cylon.

657

:

And she's like, ah, shut up.

658

:

Laura: Yeah.

659

:

Oh.

660

:

Ben: see, this is the thing

where if I'm the Cylons.

661

:

I'm changing it up.

662

:

You know, show up next time at 66 minutes

and then 47 and the next time three hours,

663

:

Xhafer: this is water, this

is drip water torture, Ben.

664

:

This is, this is regular

to a point of terrifying.

665

:

And then, exactly, you do it 200

times, and then you change it once.

666

:

But, that's not the case.

667

:

Everyone in CIC is

asleep at their stations.

668

:

And as the uh, pilots start to head

back to the barn, except for Apollo,

669

:

Starbuck, Boomer, and Crashdown,

the Olympic carrier arrives.

670

:

Laura: Yeah.

671

:

Xhafer: They had an FTL drive issue

and were just ignored by the silence.

672

:

How convenient.

673

:

Gaius urges Colonial One

to cut off communications.

674

:

Ben: Hello and welcome to who are you?

675

:

A reasonably well done podcast

about couple of friends talking

676

:

about Battlestar Galactica.

677

:

I'm Ben.

678

:

It's been 33 minutes.

679

:

We, the clock goes off.

680

:

We start over.

681

:

Xhafer: no, no, Um, no.

682

:

Laura: cute.

683

:

Ben: I had that idea days ago.

684

:

Xhafer: I'm sure.

685

:

Aaron, you'll probably have

to cut that out and edit it to

686

:

the 33 minute mark of playtime.

687

:

Just for the bit to work.

688

:

Ben: Nobody, nobody's nobody cares.

689

:

Xhafer: Anyways Gaius urges Colonial

One to cut off communications.

690

:

They tell the carrier to stop.

691

:

They just keep driving towards

the fleet and don't respond.

692

:

Laura: this is one of those times

when you're like, God dammit,

693

:

this fucking guy, but he is right.

694

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

695

:

Laura: Yeah.

696

:

we we cannot let that carrier in.

697

:

Yeah.

698

:

Ben: one thing I do really appreciate

about the stuff that's happening right now

699

:

is as soon as the Olympic carrier shows

up, Adama's like, start the clock again.

700

:

And.

701

:

Ty isn't like, what are you doing?

702

:

He's like, gods, I hope you're not right.

703

:

Because like, they both immediately

have the thought of Uh, dip.

704

:

Like,

705

:

it's on.

706

:

Uh, going again.

707

:

What is the worst thing that

could be happening right now?

708

:

It started again.

709

:

And I like that our characters

are hyper competent.

710

:

Xhafer: The fleet conducts jump

number 240 here as the Cylons

711

:

arrive exactly 33 minutes after

the Olympic Carrier had jumped in.

712

:

Crashdown finds nukes on the

Olympic Carrier and Adama makes

713

:

the call to destroy the jetliner.

714

:

Laura: Yeah.

715

:

Xhafer: Apollo looks and doesn't

really see anyone on board?

716

:

Fun fact.

717

:

Laura: Oh, did you read this too?

718

:

Xhafer: NBC required

that they change this.

719

:

He was supposed to see people in there.

720

:

Laura: Yeah.

721

:

They were, they found it too dark

722

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

723

:

Yep.

724

:

Can't have it.

725

:

Can't shoot down the plane

full of civilians that's

726

:

actively crashing into us.

727

:

Laura: Yeah.

728

:

I think in this day and age

that would have gone through.

729

:

I think

730

:

Xhafer: I think we were too close to 9 11,

731

:

Laura: Yep.

732

:

I think so.

733

:

Ben: Also, one interesting thing, so in

Baltar's head when this is all going down,

734

:

it's he rejects Six and her monotheism he

goes full Christopher Hitchens, like, If

735

:

I can't explain it, it doesn't, I like,

736

:

I don't care.

737

:

And also I'm a giant piece of shit.

738

:

Um, and just on cue, this ship shows

up as if God is explicitly doing like

739

:

Laura: Doing this at

740

:

Ben: him and it's,

741

:

delusions of grandeur are a

common uh, effect of schizophrenia

742

:

and bipolar disorder.

743

:

And so schizophrenia, it's like.

744

:

He's seeing a person, talking to

them, having auditory hallucinations,

745

:

typically not visual hallucinations

with schizophrenia, but

746

:

Laura: Hmm.

747

:

Ben: hey, that could be an

explanation for what's going on here.

748

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

749

:

Or, it could be that there's

a chip in him, and this is all

750

:

being actively orchestrated by

the Cylons to fuck with Baltar.

751

:

Laura: yeah.

752

:

It's like, are the Cylons God?

753

:

That's the thing I wrote down

here because, you know, six is

754

:

insisting that there's one God and

I was like, so is the God a Cylon?

755

:

Like, I'm confused because they definitely

have control of the Olympic carrier.

756

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

757

:

Ben: they?

758

:

Xhafer: Do they?

759

:

Laura: I,

760

:

Ben: Are they just a

bunch of people panicking?

761

:

Laura: no, no, they have

control of that carrier.

762

:

I, I firmly believe

763

:

Xhafer: You don't think that

there's a base star within range.

764

:

The Cylons fuck with

computers all the time.

765

:

You think that they couldn't

just say, Hey, what's up?

766

:

We're gonna make it sensors,

like there's nukes in that thing?

767

:

Laura: It's so compromised no matter what.

768

:

I don't think they have a choice.

769

:

Like you can't let that

ship back in this fleet.

770

:

You just

771

:

Xhafer: what if it's not the carrier

that's the problem, what if it's a

772

:

collection of ships, like a triangulation?

773

:

Laura: Yeah.

774

:

I mean, that's possible.

775

:

Like,

776

:

Ben: And what if it's just one person?

777

:

Xhafer: Yeah, there's just,

there's just a, a Cylon that

778

:

we already know and totally not

one that we don't on that ship.

779

:

Laura: yeah.

780

:

I'm not convinced that they're not

like tracking them through Baltar.

781

:

I don't know.

782

:

So, in that case, like, it

doesn't, it doesn't matter.

783

:

He's still around.

784

:

We're still gonna find you, you know?

785

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

786

:

The order's given.

787

:

These CGI animators did put a couple

of moving shadows in on the ship when

788

:

it's shown at distance, by the way.

789

:

I don't know if any of y'all noticed that.

790

:

Laura: Yeah.

791

:

Xhafer: But uh, they destroy the

Olympic carrier as the fleet jumps away.

792

:

We cut over to Caprica

where Hilo wakes up.

793

:

The Six asks him if he's alive

and then kisses him, mirroring

794

:

the pilot in Armistice Station.

795

:

Laura: Yeah, what's up with that?

796

:

So weird.

797

:

Xhafer: Hmm?

798

:

And then a Sharon shoots the Six.

799

:

Rescuing,

800

:

Ben: about his boomer,

she came to save the day!

801

:

I'm

802

:

sure Crashdown's coming right behind.

803

:

Xhafer: Yep, totally Boomer.

804

:

Back on the ship, Bill and Lee, both

feel responsible for the civilian deaths.

805

:

24 hours have passed without

the Cylon showing up.

806

:

And our headcount of

survivors goes up by one.

807

:

Ben: What does it

808

:

say about our big and little Adama

relationship that the I'm sorry

809

:

I made you do a war crime, son,

is not the most uncomfortable

810

:

conversation we've watched them have?

811

:

Laura: Yeah.

812

:

Yeah.

813

:

Yeah.

814

:

Yeah.

815

:

Xhafer: Oh,

816

:

Laura: Yeah.

817

:

Ben: son, I'm sorry.

818

:

I told you to do it.

819

:

I did the war crime.

820

:

No, dad, we did the war crime.

821

:

Oh,

822

:

Laura: Yeah.

823

:

Touching.

824

:

You love a father son moment, don't you?

825

:

Xhafer: yeah, well,

that's that's the episode.

826

:

Laura: Okay, sorry audience,

we just lost Ja'far.

827

:

We had an internet mess up of some kind.

828

:

Oh.

829

:

You shouldn't have done that, Ja'far.

830

:

Ben: Ja'far's a Cylon.

831

:

Laura: anybody in this podcast

who should know not to network

832

:

his computers, it's Ja'far, right?

833

:

Ben: Mm hmm.

834

:

Laura: Oh well,

835

:

Ben: well, so, I, now that

we've gotten to the end of the

836

:

episode, I wanna, I, I just

wanna know, Laura, With

837

:

this being the pilot, How

838

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

839

:

Ben: What do you think of this show?

840

:

Because, I haven't heard

841

:

your review of the second half of the

842

:

miniseries.

843

:

Laura: Uh huh.

844

:

Ben: But with what you guys were talking

about with the first half, you were like,

845

:

Hey, this was good, but this was dark.

846

:

I don't know if I'd be

847

:

watching it here in this moment.

848

:

Laura: Uh huh.

849

:

Ben: I'm the kind of

850

:

person where it's like,

if I'm feeling a way,

851

:

I, I want to like,

852

:

double down and revel in it.

853

:

So like, if I'm feeling

sad, play me the sad music.

854

:

If I'm in a bad place mentally, I'm

gonna watch a very dark, sad movie, like,

855

:

give me all the noirs where, you know,

everybody's a bad person and nobody,

856

:

you know, everybody, you learn a lesson,

but it's that there's nothing you could

857

:

have done anyway, um, and it's like,

life is futile, forget it Jake, it's

858

:

Chinatown you know, that's me, I'm a

dark, you know, I'm a broken human being.

859

:

You, you have light in your,

in your eyes and you know,

860

:

Laura: That's very kind of you to say.

861

:

Ben: So how do you feel now

that we've hit the pilot?

862

:

Laura: Well, I'll spoil my review on

the second half of the miniseries.

863

:

I loved it.

864

:

Um.

865

:

Oh.

866

:

Hey.

867

:

Do we have to redo this again?

868

:

Ben: No, piece back.

869

:

Start the clock.

870

:

Xhafer: We're not at another 33 minutes.

871

:

Okay.

872

:

Laura: Yeah.

873

:

Ben: No, but I'm just saying

you're our Olympic carrier.

874

:

Laura: Yeah.

875

:

We can't trust you

876

:

Xhafer: the clock.

877

:

That's fair.

878

:

Ben: he's

879

:

a he's

880

:

Xhafer: be

881

:

Ben: he's a double

882

:

Xhafer: a Cylon.

883

:

I definitely have a plan.

884

:

I have more of a plan than the Cylons had.

885

:

Laura: Okay, I have a question

before we get too far into like

886

:

how we feel about this episode.

887

:

Ben: Okay.

888

:

Xhafer: How do, yeah.

889

:

Laura: 33 minutes.

890

:

Xhafer: Yep.

891

:

Laura: I mean, I'm of the opinion

that seems like a technical thing.

892

:

Like we have a technical limitation

that we just can't get past 33 minutes.

893

:

Ben: From a Cylon point of

view, I'm sure that that is it.

894

:

There is a certain amount of time it

takes for you get to the next place,

895

:

we get a signal back, we have to set

everything up, spool up our drives, it

896

:

always takes 33 minutes because we're

robots, and we have, you know, efficiency.

897

:

Xhafer: I disagree.

898

:

Laura: Yeah, I was wondering.

899

:

I was wondering if you felt the

900

:

Xhafer: think, I would assume that

there is a technical limitation.

901

:

That, where 33 minutes is

the maximum amount of time it

902

:

will take uh, hypothetically.

903

:

And they are just sandbagging

to the 33 minutes.

904

:

Ben: Like they could catch up faster.

905

:

Laura: Hmm.

906

:

Xhafer: I think right now they

want to give them just enough

907

:

time to have a little bit of hope.

908

:

Because they're clearly toying with them.

909

:

Ben: I don't think they are,

they seem to really be trying

910

:

to kill them all the time.

911

:

Laura: Yeah.

912

:

Yeah.

913

:

Ben: I don't think

they're toying with them.

914

:

I think they are giving it

their all every single time.

915

:

Laura: Hmm.

916

:

I, I wonder, cause it, it seems like

if you want to destroy all of these

917

:

people and you have total control

of your hive mind or whatever, then

918

:

this would have been more efficient.

919

:

So, I think there's something

they don't have total control of.

920

:

I don't know, it just seems like, case

in point, at the end of the episode,

921

:

we have this thing with six shows up

and kisses Hilo, but then Boomer shoots

922

:

her in the back and then another six

is over here and it's like, oh, it is.

923

:

Was the six that kissed him,

just like toying with him.

924

:

And now we're playing with him

with this boomer thing happening.

925

:

It's like,

926

:

Xhafer: Well, death doesn't

mean anything to them.

927

:

Laura: right, right.

928

:

I'm not saying that it does or should,

but it's like, this is not an efficient

929

:

way to just exterminate all humans.

930

:

So either, either, I guess

it's one or the other.

931

:

And Ja'far's point could be.

932

:

That they're just toying with

them the whole time, or there's

933

:

something we don't have 100 percent

control of within our own thing.

934

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

935

:

Laura: So either we're totally

in control and we're just bapping

936

:

the mouse around like a cat, or

something is not 100 percent on lock.

937

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

938

:

Ben: well, Laura, I can

tell you, I don't think

939

:

Jaffer and I'm going to say, I

know I sound stupid just saying it.

940

:

I don't think Jaffer is taking the

other side just to mess with me.

941

:

I think we both have

942

:

honest disagreements about

what the Cylons are doing.

943

:

And this

944

:

is from people who've seen the whole show.

945

:

Laura: Yeah, so that tells me that this is

946

:

intentionally ambiguous.

947

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

948

:

Ben: Ambiguity is the name

of the game with this show.

949

:

so, don't think of it like Lost, where

it's, Hey, they're, they say they have

950

:

answers to all this, and maybe

they do, maybe they don't.

951

:

Battlestar Galactica, they

honestly went in with,

952

:

You should feel like I don't

know exactly what's going on.

953

:

And that's because you don't.

954

:

And there's, you should have that weird

955

:

feeling in your stomach.

956

:

Like, having a pilot where

957

:

the, the ultimate, like, finale big

thing isn't the base star comes in and

958

:

we've come up with a cool idea on how

to destroy it and, you know, Colonel

959

:

Tai says fire and then, you know,

something happens and we blow up the

960

:

base star and the day is saved for now.

961

:

We know there's more base stars

and they're coming after us,

962

:

but hey, we got our feel good

moment for the end of the pilot.

963

:

It's, no, we shot down a passenger plane,

but we think it was the right thing to do.

964

:

That is the space we're playing in.

965

:

Laura: Oh, this is so fun, because I

feel like the, the one biggest takeaway

966

:

I have from my first semester in the Ph.

967

:

D.

968

:

program is it is a mistake to

ever think you know something.

969

:

And this show is also about that.

970

:

Ben: Oh, what is it?

971

:

The island of knowledge only increases

the the shore of uncertainty?

972

:

Laura: Oh,

973

:

Ben: Have you ever

974

:

Laura: yeah.

975

:

I haven't, but I like it.

976

:

Ben: So, if you imagine like

an island, the smaller it is,

977

:

the smaller the shoreline is.

978

:

And everything you learn, you're

pouring another bucket of sand

979

:

onto the island and it gets bigger

and bigger and bigger and bigger.

980

:

And, it's, And as it gets bigger, you

get a greater shoreline, because you

981

:

know so much, but you're also being

exposed to how much you don't know.

982

:

Xhafer: More you know, the more

you know, the less you know.

983

:

Ben: And if you

984

:

don't know, now you know.

985

:

Xhafer: Now you know.

986

:

Alright, well, we should

probably rate this episode.

987

:

Laura: Yeah.

988

:

Xhafer: We're using a scale of 1 to

12 colonies, and as I've stated on

989

:

the Discord, and as I think I stated

in an episode of Who Are You when

990

:

we were doing our Babylon 5 coverage

991

:

forever ago, that I had already determined

the scale because of this episode.

992

:

Because I wanted to break it.

993

:

I think I say it in there, I was

gonna, I'm doing the scale and I'm

994

:

gonna break it in the third episode.

995

:

And that's exactly my goal here,

because this is the 13 Lost

996

:

Earth Colony out of 12 Colonies.

997

:

A 13 out of 12.

998

:

The rating on the books.

999

:

I'm straight up Meltzer ing this shit.

:

00:44:52,417 --> 00:44:53,327

Laura: Yeah, I feel like

:

00:44:53,877 --> 00:44:56,787

I've been a broken record for the

last three episodes with just like,

:

00:44:56,827 --> 00:44:59,557

I loved it, but guys, I loved it.

:

00:44:59,637 --> 00:45:00,187

Like,

:

00:45:00,977 --> 00:45:04,397

though, I only took a page of notes.

:

00:45:05,182 --> 00:45:06,822

And I was thinking about, why is that?

:

00:45:06,822 --> 00:45:12,002

And it's because there's so much, like,

human stuff happening that's not, you

:

00:45:12,002 --> 00:45:15,232

don't, like, take notes of, and then

this happened, and then this happened.

:

00:45:15,232 --> 00:45:20,352

It's just, like, impressions

and quick scenes and

:

00:45:20,842 --> 00:45:21,502

stress.

:

00:45:21,522 --> 00:45:23,572

It's just a very stressful episode.

:

00:45:23,572 --> 00:45:24,642

You know, Adama, like,

:

00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:25,729

Xhafer: notes for.

:

00:45:26,122 --> 00:45:30,422

Laura: Adama's, like, trying to

shave because, you know, five days of

:

00:45:30,952 --> 00:45:32,932

stubble on his face and cuts himself

:

00:45:32,932 --> 00:45:33,742

and just quits.

:

00:45:34,432 --> 00:45:38,322

And you know, the people,

like, nodding off.

:

00:45:38,549 --> 00:45:42,099

Just, there's so many

details in the background

:

00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:43,676

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:44,639

Laura: that are just really good.

:

00:45:44,649 --> 00:45:45,469

There's a clock.

:

00:45:45,489 --> 00:45:47,129

There's, like, an analog clock.

:

00:45:47,699 --> 00:45:49,569

And we've taped 33.

:

00:45:50,359 --> 00:45:54,051

On the, the, bottom,

like, where 33 Minutes is.

:

00:45:54,776 --> 00:46:00,552

Ben: That's one thing I love about

Battlestar Galactica is because of the

:

00:46:00,842 --> 00:46:05,662

history and lore of the, of the universe.

:

00:46:06,922 --> 00:46:08,702

It is a beautiful.

:

00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:10,612

Future

:

00:46:10,612 --> 00:46:12,562

retro aesthetic.

:

00:46:13,257 --> 00:46:13,807

Laura: Oh yeah, we have

:

00:46:13,862 --> 00:46:17,942

Ben: retro futurist, so not like, Hey,

what if the fifties like everything

:

00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:21,832

we were promised, and then it became

true, like fallout, this is what if

:

00:46:21,832 --> 00:46:26,302

we got to space travel and we're like,

oh no, the computers tried to kill us.

:

00:46:26,962 --> 00:46:27,622

What do we do?

:

00:46:27,802 --> 00:46:33,322

Well, unlike in Babylon five, where you're

like, why does anybody have a paper?

:

00:46:35,192 --> 00:46:36,832

In Battlestar Galactica,

:

00:46:36,832 --> 00:46:39,562

you're like, Nobody's carrying an iPad.

:

00:46:39,932 --> 00:46:43,882

Like, people would look at you weird

and be like, What are you doing?

:

00:46:43,892 --> 00:46:46,262

Like, that thing can kill you.

:

00:46:46,822 --> 00:46:49,382

Yes, give me paper with the edges cut off.

:

00:46:49,622 --> 00:46:50,332

Um,

:

00:46:50,549 --> 00:46:54,039

Xhafer: can that thing kill you

that thing tried to kill my parents.

:

00:46:54,337 --> 00:46:55,897

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

:

00:46:56,797 --> 00:46:57,227

Mm hmm.

:

00:46:57,727 --> 00:46:58,817

Ben: So, sorry.

:

00:46:59,067 --> 00:47:00,277

Laura, did you have a number?

:

00:47:01,002 --> 00:47:04,042

Laura: Oh, yeah, you know, if we're

gonna bust the scale and do number

:

00:47:04,092 --> 00:47:06,112

13, I'll, I'll hop on board with that.

:

00:47:06,122 --> 00:47:09,662

Cause I'm just having a

good ol time over here.

:

00:47:10,407 --> 00:47:16,332

Ben: Well, I'm tempted To break

the scale even further, but I'm not

:

00:47:16,332 --> 00:47:20,582

going to do that because I don't

want to reveal anything or say

:

00:47:20,792 --> 00:47:22,452

Laura: would that be spoilers?

:

00:47:22,562 --> 00:47:23,812

Ben: want to spoil anything.

:

00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:26,042

I think Ja'far knows

what I'm talking about.

:

00:47:26,191 --> 00:47:26,531

Uh,

:

00:47:26,592 --> 00:47:27,992

Xhafer: Do know what you're talking about

:

00:47:29,076 --> 00:47:29,392

Ben: But

:

00:47:29,392 --> 00:47:32,642

I'm gonna give this:

out of out of, out of 12

:

00:47:32,952 --> 00:47:37,752

for Battlestar:

is somehow Dukes of Hazzard,

:

00:47:38,252 --> 00:47:40,402

but Battlestar Galactica.

:

00:47:40,582 --> 00:47:43,982

It's batshit.

:

00:47:44,287 --> 00:47:44,737

Laura: that one?

:

00:47:44,747 --> 00:47:45,787

Jaffer, I know you told

:

00:47:45,787 --> 00:47:46,267

me.

:

00:47:46,477 --> 00:47:46,917

Okay.

:

00:47:47,822 --> 00:47:48,092

Ben: I'm

:

00:47:48,099 --> 00:47:48,409

Xhafer: not

:

00:47:48,602 --> 00:47:48,822

Ben: it.

:

00:47:51,462 --> 00:47:51,722

It was

:

00:47:51,969 --> 00:47:54,589

Xhafer: I Mean you you

might over on cool girls.

:

00:47:54,749 --> 00:47:55,239

It actually

:

00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,039

probably be a great show for cool

:

00:47:57,062 --> 00:48:01,002

Ben: That would be so insane if you have

him watch, like, a few random episodes of

:

00:48:01,312 --> 00:48:06,752

Battlestar:

Battlestar 80 and be like, What happened?

:

00:48:07,377 --> 00:48:15,517

Laura: yeah, yeah Ben, I don't think

we talked about this on the last pod,

:

00:48:15,547 --> 00:48:20,717

but Jaffer and I talked about it you

should come with Ja'far to Oklahoma

:

00:48:20,717 --> 00:48:25,887

City whenever we can arrange it

because for some reason Glen Larson is

:

00:48:25,897 --> 00:48:30,017

buried here and we can

all go visit his grave.

:

00:48:30,722 --> 00:48:31,502

Ben: Okay.

:

00:48:33,607 --> 00:48:36,447

Laura: I don't know why he's

in an Oklahoma City cemetery.

:

00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:36,557

It

:

00:48:36,557 --> 00:48:40,017

says he died in California,

but he's buried here.

:

00:48:40,472 --> 00:48:41,062

Ben: Okay.

:

00:48:41,427 --> 00:48:43,887

Laura: So I think we

should have a family trip.

:

00:48:45,362 --> 00:48:48,712

Ben: Well, I, I would love to get

out to Oklahoma City sometime.

:

00:48:49,672 --> 00:48:50,512

Uh, but yes.

:

00:48:51,302 --> 00:48:53,162

Thirteen out of, out of twelve.

:

00:48:53,922 --> 00:48:54,142

This

:

00:48:54,152 --> 00:48:56,802

is one of my absolute favorite, Great.

:

00:48:57,442 --> 00:48:59,722

Pieces of sci fi, sci fi

:

00:48:59,872 --> 00:49:00,412

period,

:

00:49:01,032 --> 00:49:04,302

like not just TV, like TV, movies, books,

:

00:49:04,332 --> 00:49:05,032

everything.

:

00:49:05,582 --> 00:49:08,112

I would put it up against

anything, and I have.

:

00:49:08,412 --> 00:49:11,176

Xhafer: I mean, yeah, this is it This is

the high point of the show, which is why

:

00:49:11,176 --> 00:49:12,766

we're done With our Battlestar coverage.

:

00:49:13,196 --> 00:49:13,916

There's no point.

:

00:49:13,916 --> 00:49:15,056

There's only, it only goes down

:

00:49:15,056 --> 00:49:15,596

from here.

:

00:49:16,196 --> 00:49:19,766

So we'll be back next

week with Stargate SG one

:

00:49:20,334 --> 00:49:21,694

Ben: no, you're not doing that again.

:

00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:25,269

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:25,499 --> 00:49:25,739

Yeah.

:

00:49:25,739 --> 00:49:26,019

No,

:

00:49:26,204 --> 00:49:31,729

Ben: I I I do just want to say you,

you have a A fascinating experience

:

00:49:31,729 --> 00:49:32,839

coming in front of you, Laura.

:

00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:34,999

I'm excited to hear what

you have to say, Jafair.

:

00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,249

I'm excited to see you revisiting it.

:

00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:41,209

Glorianne and I just re,

just, I rewatched it.

:

00:49:41,209 --> 00:49:43,289

Glorianne watched it

for the first time early

:

00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:44,299

:

:

00:49:44,919 --> 00:49:45,359

Laura: Okay.

:

00:49:45,584 --> 00:49:47,574

Ben: Uh, So it's very fresh in my mind.

:

00:49:47,734 --> 00:49:51,154

I still, like, I could have

just talked about this episode.

:

00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:52,244

I've seen it enough times.

:

00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:54,604

I still watched it again because I

:

00:49:54,604 --> 00:49:54,944

love it.

:

00:49:55,354 --> 00:49:55,944

I.

:

00:49:56,474 --> 00:50:01,694

And it's also, you know, kind of nice

to, like, go It's, it's kind of like

:

00:50:01,904 --> 00:50:05,264

Babylon 5, where it's like, Hey, not

everything that happens here is good.

:

00:50:05,764 --> 00:50:07,174

It doesn't make me all happy.

:

00:50:08,134 --> 00:50:12,174

There's fascisms and genocides

and, like, stuff I don't like.

:

00:50:12,504 --> 00:50:17,234

But also, sometimes it's nice

to just return to an old sci fi.

:

00:50:18,706 --> 00:50:19,066

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:50:19,774 --> 00:50:21,204

Ben: love Battlestar Galactica.

:

00:50:21,204 --> 00:50:22,124

It's, it's fun.

:

00:50:22,124 --> 00:50:23,574

It's hard sci fi.

:

00:50:23,934 --> 00:50:27,724

Like I love the way the,

the spaceship battles go.

:

00:50:27,804 --> 00:50:32,616

I love just Sometimes they just

get into the weird logistics of

:

00:50:33,926 --> 00:50:36,866

What is life trapped aboard

all of these tiny ships?

:

00:50:36,866 --> 00:50:38,416

We weren't supposed to be living

:

00:50:38,416 --> 00:50:38,756

on.

:

00:50:39,526 --> 00:50:40,086

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:50:40,716 --> 00:50:41,206

Mm hmm.

:

00:50:41,916 --> 00:50:43,676

Some of these are just like planes.

:

00:50:43,986 --> 00:50:44,406

Yeah.

:

00:50:45,598 --> 00:50:46,308

Xhafer: All right.

:

00:50:46,368 --> 00:50:52,228

So, all that said, next week we'll

be back with Season 1, Episode 2,

:

00:50:52,978 --> 00:50:53,588

Water.

:

00:50:54,656 --> 00:50:54,846

Laura: Oh,

:

00:50:54,978 --> 00:50:56,968

Xhafer: Very simple episode names.

:

00:50:57,558 --> 00:51:02,348

A main water reserve ruptures and millions

of gallons of fresh water are lost.

:

00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:09,658

It appears as if the ship was sabotaged,

perhaps by a silent agent from within.

:

00:51:09,726 --> 00:51:10,606

Laura: Oh, no.

:

00:51:10,606 --> 00:51:11,481

Yeah.

:

00:51:11,801 --> 00:51:12,551

Not again.

:

00:51:14,373 --> 00:51:14,743

Xhafer: All right.

:

00:51:14,743 --> 00:51:17,163

Well, we'll be back with that next week.

:

00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,839

But until then, thanks,

Ben, for joining us.

:

00:51:21,927 --> 00:51:22,607

Ben: my pleasure

:

00:51:23,419 --> 00:51:29,079

Xhafer: You can hear Ben's fabulous

dulcet tones on Last Time On with

:

00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,659

myself and our other co host Victor, a.

:

00:51:31,659 --> 00:51:31,789

k.

:

00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:31,929

a.

:

00:51:31,929 --> 00:51:33,049

Domini Media Television.

:

00:51:34,099 --> 00:51:37,659

Ben, you also, are you just like

a host on the Robin Hood podcast

:

00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,109

now, or are you just guesting

:

00:51:39,567 --> 00:51:41,247

Ben: I just guessed occasionally and I am

:

00:51:41,267 --> 00:51:44,407

on all of their Robin Hood Let's Plays.

:

00:51:45,069 --> 00:51:45,789

Xhafer: That's what it is.

:

00:51:45,789 --> 00:51:46,389

You're on the Robin Hood.

:

00:51:46,469 --> 00:51:47,259

That's what you put.

:

00:51:47,309 --> 00:51:47,669

Go ahead.

:

00:51:47,827 --> 00:51:51,607

Ben: Yeah, if you head to YouTube

That's the place where you can see it.

:

00:51:51,697 --> 00:51:56,557

If you look up into the Greenwood,

they have a dedicated playlist

:

00:51:56,587 --> 00:52:03,287

there that is us doing a a Robin

Hood themed tabletop adventure.

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And so if you want to see four people

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fail miserably at being

outlaws in Sherwood Forest,

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have we got a show for you.

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It's super fun I will,

I will freely admit.

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I have not nailed down an

accent for my character.

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Uh, um, I, I, I keep trying

and then phasing in and out.

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I feel bad about it.

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It's part of the problem is just we

play for a really long time and then

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it'll be a month and then we play again.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Ben: it's, it's a really fun time.

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I love it.

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there.

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I love my character and I love the

absolutely horrible choices we have

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made as a group of budding outlaws.

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It's just a lot of fun.

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So check it out on YouTube

into the Greenwood.

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And welcome to Who Are You?

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A reasonably well done podcast

by three friends, now strangers,

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watching Battlestar Galactica.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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That was a 33 minute mark again, just in

time to say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

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Thanks Jeremy for doing our theme music.

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You Jeremy's work at JeremySiegel42.

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bandcamp.

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com

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Laura: Thanks, Angry Duck Time Machine

on Instagram for our podcast artwork.

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It is so cute.

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We love it.

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Xhafer: We do.

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Ben: I am sad you guys didn't

go with my recommendation to put

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Jaffer in the red dress, but uh,

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Laura: yeah.

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yeah.

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It's a real missed opportunity.

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Ben: it is.

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Xhafer: It's better for

everyone's eyes this way.

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And uh, thank you, listener for joining

us, spending, I'm guessing, 50 minutes

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after everything gets cut out from

me, my internet losing connection and

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Ben: Eeeeee!

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I know, we were doing

gold while you were gone.

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Xhafer: Oh, where are you?

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Oh, might I'll stay in.

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Maybe I'll have to listen to this one.

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I don't know.

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But thanks for joining us, listener.

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We really appreciate you choosing

to spend your time with us.

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You can join us on our

Discord, social media.

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Five star reviews.

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You know the deal.

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This isn't your only podcast.

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I hope.

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I think.

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I assume.

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Laura: Yeah, if we are your

only podcast, um, thanks.

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Xhafer: Thanks.

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I'm flattered.

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Laura: Come talk to us in the Discord

because we, yeah, you need more of

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us.

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Xhafer: fun.

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All right.

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We'll see you next week, Internet.

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Ben: and we will see you

next time on Who Are You?

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.