Episode 157

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22nd Jan 2025

BSG S1E5 - Ship Meat

Laura and Xhafer ask hard-hitting questions like: "Can we give computers souls?" and "What happens if you cut the poop tube?" Laura forgets about Space Force. Xhafer is uncomfortable with the amount of footshots in Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 5: You Can't Go Home Again.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to who are you?

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This is a reasonably well done podcast

hosted by two friends who are currently

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watching 2004's Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Jafar

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Laura: and I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we are on

season one, episode five.

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You Can't Go Home Again,

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Laura: Yeah, so this is the resolution

of a actual fax cliffhanger as opposed to

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the pseudo cliffhangers we've had every

single episode up till the previous.

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Mm

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Xhafer: it's also like the first five

episodes are kind of a, cohesive arc.

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Laura: hmm.

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Xhafer: And after this, we get into

more modular episodes for a little bit,

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I think.

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Laura: No, I would agree with that.

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I I was trying to decide if I was

going to save this statement for the

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next episode or go ahead and make it

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here, but I, I feel like I'll go

ahead and at least allude to it here

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that I feel like there is a theme

across all these episodes, at least

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in the first half of the season.

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I don't know if I can

speak for the whole season.

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And I would call that theme

just very loosely, Grow Up.

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We get some growing up for

Adama and Lee in this one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And we had some growing up in

the last one for Starbuck herself.

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And we get some growing up in

the next one for someone else.

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So, I don't, you know, I don't

know if that was how the creators

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saw it in their minds, but that's

what's coming across to me.

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Xhafer: There's a bit more

of that down the road too,

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I won't say anything for the sake

of spoilers, but if you've looked

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at the episode titles, they allude

to at the very least one character

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having to have a grow up moment.

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Laura: I sure hope it's Colonel

Ty in Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down.

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I sure hope that's his grow up moment.

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Xhafer: Well that's, that's a real Colonel

Ty Strong episode, so, we'll get to it.

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Uh, I literally can't even

begin to describe that episode

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without giant spoilers.

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To the point

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Laura: I mean,

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Xhafer: I bet the episode description

is giant spoilers for that one.

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Laura: oh, you

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Xhafer: It's it, like the thing that

defines that episode happens within like

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the first five minutes of memory serves.

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Laura: Oh, okay, yeah.

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So it's one of those.

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The thing happens and then we

grapple with it the whole time.

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I cannot wait to have our friend

Ryan on for that episode because I

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suspect, I'm sure there's interesting

stuff in that episode, but I think

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that the title was a non zero part of

why he chose to be on that episode.

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Xhafer: Well, the title is It'll

make sense when we get there.

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Laura: Okay, I can't wait.

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I'm looking forward to it, but we're

going to have a movie break before that,

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Xhafer: yes, our movie

break is in a few weeks.

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As of air, I think it's actually about

a month away from this episode airing,

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give or take, but that's just because

we've been building up a stockpile

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over the winter break for In between

my new job and yours new semester,

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we've been stockpiling episodes.

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Laura: Responsibility reasons.

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We're being responsible people.

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Look at

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us.

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Xhafer: So yeah, it's nice to be well

in advance, but it also means that

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we won't be very uh, reactionary.

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So when this airs after, I don't know,

January 20th, you know, hell after

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January 6th, yeah,

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Laura: all we're, all we're doing

is discussing podcasts and people

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are like, everything's on fire.

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What's, what's wrong with you two?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: that's why.

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Laura: Don't worry, Lister.

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I'm sure we'll blow our lead at some

point, so don't even worry about it.

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We'll be back to being

right on top of it with you.

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Xhafer: Surely at some point.

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Uh, right.

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Laura: Okay.

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So let's resolve this cliffhanger, huh?

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Oh

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Xhafer: Uh, we

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open with Hot Dog being rescued by Boomer

in Crashdown as they search for Starbuck.

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Apollo gives Hot Dog his wings.

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Although actually, that's

his major rank pin.

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Laura: Yeah, I was like, wait,

is he getting a field promotion?

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Now, I don't know military stuff.

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I think that's become clear at this point

in this series that Laura knows nothing

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about military, but I feel like One of

the last groups of people that I want

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getting field promotions is my pilots.

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Like, probably doctors is another one.

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Don't love that.

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I don't want to field promote a doctor

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Xhafer: Like someone who is

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not a doctor,

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yeah.

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Laura: Right, right.

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Well, if you have like a

civilian doctor and you're like,

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congratulations, civilian doctor.

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Now you're a lieutenant or whatever.

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That's fine.

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But if you haven't finished doctor school,

like I'm a little worried about that.

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As I am worried about the pilot

who just had his first day, even

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though he did shoot down one Cylon.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think

there's a bit of a time.

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It's, well, it's hard to say.

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We don't get, a day since Days

on Caprica for Helo here, right?

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Laura: Oh, we do.

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We

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do.

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Xhafer: we?

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Laura: It's day 15.

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Yeah.

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So it's been a day.

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It's been one

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Xhafer: It's been one day.

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Okay.

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Well, she started training

them on Day 12, right?

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So.

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Laura: I don't remember

if it was 12 or 14.

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I thought it was

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Xhafer: it doesn't matter.

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Regardless, not enough training.

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Laura: No, no, no.

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No, no, no, no.

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So I'm a little anxious about that

for everyone, but you know what?

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It's TV.

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It'll be

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Xhafer: Hotdog is also the one

that washed out of the academy.

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So he might have years of

training that we don't know about.

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They don't say when he washed out,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They don't say that he washed out

because he couldn't fly, either.

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He could have washed out

because he had an attitude.

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Like, you know, other, other stuff.

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Okay.

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I will buy that.

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I'll buy that more than the

girl who, like, crashed on

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the flight deck or whatever.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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A cat doesn't get her wings today.

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Laura: Right.

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Right.

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Xhafer: over on the set of the

Martian, Starbucks parachute drags

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her until she can cut it to theme.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's just the wind, too, right?

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Xhafer: I mean, that's what parachutes

are for catch and wind , that's their

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, you know, it's not like there's

a monster dragging her by her parachute

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or something or, you know, it's, it's

just really windy and hostile out

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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If this were TNG,

monster, dragon that shit

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a hundred percent.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And so I think in the previous scene too,

Apollo's tech was trying to get his like

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Viper ready to go to join the search.

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And Adama, like, pounced on Lee in the

cockpit to tell him to go find Starbuck.

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ha ha.

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ha.

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Xhafer: After theme, Adama and Gata

do some table setting, including.

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And, I fucking love this.

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Adama asking Gaeta how much time

Starbuck has left to reveal Felix

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has already set a fucking timer and

it's, like, within eyesight of Adama.

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Like, the frame shows us him

looking at it as he asks him.

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Laura: That's when you really know your

boss and how to anticipate his needs.

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Like what a support person, Mr.

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Gaeta and his team

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Xhafer: I mean I think it's safe to

say that Felix just loves his clocks.

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Laura: Hmm.

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I mean, who doesn't love a countdown

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: and we already

had them all ready to go.

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Cause we were just

counting down 33 and over.

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Xhafer: exactly.

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That was all him.

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He was the one resetting all those clocks.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: just loves his clocks.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So Colonel Tai told us that

there were only two gravity

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wells that had the potential.

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To have absorbed Starbucks

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Xhafer: Ship.

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Laura: vehicle.

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There's a gas giant, which,

I mean, we're, we're toast if

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we hit the gas giant, sounds

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like,

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Xhafer: like pretty quick

radiation death there.

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Laura: and a moon that's not great,

as we said in the last episode,

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not M class for Star Trek people.

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And those are the two places

we need to, to try to focus on.

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The moon more likely.

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Mm

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Xhafer: Uh, Adama here the commander, is

pretty sure that time is on their side.

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Since this was a patrol without a base

star, he kind of throws down this logic

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chain where he's like, look, they're

probably just patrolling around, probably

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do a couple of days at a time, probably

do this, probably do that, anywhere where

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there might be resources that we might be

looking for, they don't know where we are.

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This proves that, and also that their

ways of looking for us are going to

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be probably things along these lines.

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And so, if they can't report back,

then it's going to be a couple

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days before they might be back.

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So we've got some time

to conduct this search.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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And we've been told Starbuck

has 46 hours of oxygen.

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We think we can get away with staying put

even a little bit longer than that before

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the Cylons notice their missing patrol.

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Xhafer: Roslyn calls to let Adama

know the other pilots and captains are

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all willing to help search efforts.

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Mm hmm.

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Laura: Yeah, that was really

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Xhafer: They don't, we never

see any of them do it, but,

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Laura: We hear about it though.

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Xhafer: They're like, kept far

away from the moon, though.

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It's like, it's wild to me that, like,

the immediate plan is to keep them

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on the other side of the system, like

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Laura: See, I didn't get that part,

but I heard them talking about

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like, well, you know, we're gonna.

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Move them at one point.

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I could see that maybe like

they can't go into atmosphere.

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To look at the,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: moon, because it seemed

really rough down there.

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Like we see Lee having all that turbulence

and a hard time, and they've probably

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got like civilians on all their ships.

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So you can't just like go knock

people's heads around in the turbulence.

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Xhafer: Yeah, but I mean, I imagine some

of those ships could probably handle

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that, and maybe you offload some civvies.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Rearrange some people.

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You guys go hang out on the

astral queen for a while while we

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: look at the atmosphere.

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Xhafer: Yeah, like, Colonial

One's got a ton of windows.

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Just have some people

looking out some windows.

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Laura: Yeah, exactly.

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We also get Gaia sitting with her.

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Well, she makes this phone call

and he gets a visit from 6PT

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while he's sitting with the

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Xhafer: Yeah, this had very, this episode

was directed by Quentin Tarantino vibes

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uh, which is to say lots of footshots.

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Just lots of footshots, an

uncomfortable amount of footshots.

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Laura: Everything with

6PT is very uncomfortable.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: She's, like, taunting him

and, like, kissing his fingers.

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So he's just sitting there in front

of the President with, like, his

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hand up and orgasm face going on.

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Xhafer: I can't wait for

two episodes from now.

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Laura: Oh no, it's going to get worse,

because these already make me, give

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me like the heebie jeebies there.

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It's just so

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Xhafer: We'll get there when we get there.

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Laura: And the music is

starting to give me anxiety.

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Like every time it starts,

I'm like, Oh no, it's another

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creepy, weird 6BT sex thing.

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Oh no, oh no.

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Uh,

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Xhafer: get a count on the

board here in the background?

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47, 958, if you didn't catch it.

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Laura: 47, 000?

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Weren't we at 45 before?

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What happened?

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Maybe I'm wrong.

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Maybe I'm remembering it

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I think we were at 49 and

then they had to blow up the

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liner and then they dropped down to 47.

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Laura: I've just got odd

numbers in the brain somewhere.

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yeah, so he distracts Rosalind

from his own weirdness for a

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minute by suggesting that the

search for Starbuck may be unwise.

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I'm no fan of Gaius.

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We know this.

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I do think he has a point.

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Xhafer: uh, He is.

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The best kind of villain in ways sometimes

where it's very hard to argue with him.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's like that the Onion headline

that's been going around again.

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That uh, worst person you

know just made a great point.

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Yeah.

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That's Gaius Baltar for

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Xhafer: Uh, Man, my favorite version

of that same exact thing is the

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uh, the good place Version where

um, have you seen the good place?

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Laura: I have not, but I've seen lots of

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Xhafer: Okay, so it's It's Ted Danson and

he's going, Jason figured this out, Jason.

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I got to admit, this is a real low point

for us because that character is an

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idiot in the show.

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And it's so, but they replaced the

first panel with like the one I saw most

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recently was like, and Colter bitching

about tech bros only being interested in.

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Uh, allowing H 1B visas because they're

basically enslaving workers that way.

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Laura: Right, right,

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Xhafer: Um, and that it's

Ann Coulter figured this out?

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This is a real low point.

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Laura: I, I have seen some

of the things to that effect.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's been some interesting cognitive

dissonance is uncovered recently.

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Xhafer: and I mean, like, has a guy who's

worked in IT for almost a decade at this

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point, and specifically in the data space

that I work in I have a lot of uh, Indian

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peers who, who are on those types of

visas, both here and in Canada, and 100%.

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It's like, I hate my job, and I'm

abused by my boss, but I can't

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quit because I will get deported.

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Real

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fucking problems.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That is so interesting.

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Xhafer: is, it is a huge thing right now.

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Laura: Hmm.

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I find something really

interesting in here, that 6PT

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is super jealous of Starbuck.

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So weird.

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Like, you're inside Gaius's head.

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Why, why are you surprised by anything,

or jealous about any, I don't know.

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And Six clearly knew who and what

Gaius was, that's part of how

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she was able to manipulate him

in the beginning of all of this.

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So why are we jealous?

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Xhafer: are we jealous?

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Man?

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I actually have a really compelling

theory about this that I can't talk about.

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Laura: We'll get there eventually, I'm

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I have something else to say

about that, but it's actually,

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I think, in the next episode.

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So I'm going to, I'm going to

hold on to it, but I just find

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this jealousy very interesting.

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But Rosalyn is doing a great job.

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Mom and dad generally are doing a

good job here of presenting the united

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front to the children and saying, no,

no, no, your dad's made the decision.

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I stand with dad's decision.

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And she does.

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She does and dismisses his concern for

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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On the moon, Starbucks

patches up what she can.

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She checks her radio and the atmosphere,

both of which are not good news.

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Laura: No, she's got like little

test strips for atmosphere.

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I like that.

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That's a neat touch.

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Xhafer: she resolves to get

to higher ground to help aid

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in her ability to be found.

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Laura: And Lee is also like down

in the atmosphere at this point.

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We see him like struggling

with the visibility.

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And he almost eats this canyon wall.

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Oh.

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Because he couldn't even see

it right in front of him, he

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has to pull up real sharp.

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Xhafer: How different would this

episode be if Lee died right here?

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Laura: oh, yeah.

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Like, how bad would it be

if Lee died right here?

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But also, we didn't, cause you know,

he's got the, what do they call that?

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The raptor

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with him, right?

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But the raptor is also having trouble.

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And like, they didn't see him die.

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So maybe he just crashed

and he's also lost.

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Like, how bad does Adama

spin out in that situation?

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Xhafer: Does, like, does it

just get ten times worse?

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If it's any other pilot besides Lee,

he's all like, We can't do this, we're

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just gonna kill everyone, we need to go.

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And does he deal with it that way?

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Like,

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Laura: Yeah.

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But, if he, if he loses Lee and that he

doesn't know Lee is gone, like, whew.

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Yeah.

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Now we're gonna go over

to Caprica, though.

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This is where I caught the Day 15,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Sharon and Helo have resupplied

sufficiently and are ready to move on.

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Helo goes to make some brekkie

when a Centurion rolls in.

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The toaster goes off.

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And

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Laura: betrays him.

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Oh, and it's so funny, too, because

the toaster has that red light on the

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Xhafer: it's chrome.

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Yeah, no, it's perfect.

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Laura: it's beautiful.

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Just like, chef's kiss.

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Love it.

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Xhafer: This shootout starts

when Sharon leaves the bunker.

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Uh, Hilo gets one, hides from the other.

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And like, kinda gets like, knocked out.

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As we cut back to the moon.

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Laura: Yeah, like all the Le Creuset

starts falling off the walls.

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And those sons of bitches are heavy.

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One knocks him out when

he's hitting the head.

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Heh heh heh

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Xhafer: starbuck is

wandering around the moon.

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She throws a prayer to the Lords

of Kobol, and is immediately

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greeted with a landed Cylon Raider.

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Laura: Yeah, this is sort what I

would call, like, a half assed prayer.

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It's the kind of prayer that I might

throw up because I'm not a person

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who grew up praying and don't always

have, like, Feelings of strong faith,

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and so it's kind of weak and slapped

together, and I totally identify with

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that, but it seems to work, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Seems to be the case.

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Uh.

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Heh

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Laura: Yeah, we've got this downed

Cylon fighter so interesting

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that she, like, crawls along and

approaches it with her gun out.

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Xhafer: hmm.

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Laura: I can't imagine that

we as humans really know.

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Like, what the fighter ships are like.

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I mean, she's obviously really

surprised by some things about it.

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But, you know, she doesn't know if there

are actually, like, other Cylons inside.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think

that's the assumption.

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And when she sees the headshot that

she pulled off right there, she assumes

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that she has killed the pilot, mostly

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correctly,

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Laura: Yeah.

411

:

Xhafer: just she didn't realize

what was going on there.

412

:

Uh, I think she thought there

was just a Cylon inside of there.

413

:

Laura: Yeah, she doesn't seem to

be fazed at all by the, like, blood

414

:

dripping out of that headshot.

415

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that was, does she's

aware Cylons look like humans?

416

:

Yes, because she, she is because she

was part of the poker table where

417

:

they were talking to Baltar about

his human Cylon detector with Gaeta.

418

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

419

:

I was wondering that next.

420

:

Like, does she actually know

that the Cylon human problem

421

:

is

422

:

Xhafer: yeah, so she probably sees that

and thinks that there was a humanoid Cylon

423

:

inside of there at first, leading to her

reaction later when she realizes that

424

:

Laura: I feel like, if I'm remembering

it correctly, they, it was like

425

:

blood out of the headshot and

then maybe some blood from beneath

426

:

like the, the red light, maybe.

427

:

It was in two places, I think, that

I thought was really interesting.

428

:

Like, you know, when you see depictions

of say a human headshot, you might see

429

:

like the injury and then also like they

bled out of their mouth or something,

430

:

you know, like coughing up blood.

431

:

And I thought that was

an interesting, like.

432

:

bringing that into this Cylon fighter.

433

:

Xhafer: I mean, we've had

some explanations about, like,

434

:

humans, like, landing and getting

splattered because of the force,

435

:

which is a thing that we have to worry

about with jets and planes and things

436

:

right now, to be perfectly honest.

437

:

Um, and so, that might have been.

438

:

Her thought the the the silent in

there might have got killed and then

439

:

smushed in a bad landing who knows She

probably just doesn't know though She

440

:

either doesn't know or doesn't care

because there's too much going on to

441

:

spend a lot of time thinking about it

442

:

Laura: She's really proud of

herself for that headshot and she.

443

:

seems to plan to fix this Cylon

ship and fly out of there, which

444

:

I just, I put so many question

marks in my notes right here.

445

:

Cause I was like, this doesn't

even seem like a good plan.

446

:

Like

447

:

Xhafer: it's the only one she's got.

448

:

Laura: I, it's true.

449

:

It's true.

450

:

It just doesn't seem like a

good idea even at this level.

451

:

I I'm amazed how she pulls it

452

:

Xhafer: She's like barely able to walk.

453

:

She's mostly pulling herself around.

454

:

So

455

:

Laura: Yeah.

456

:

Xhafer: back on the ship, Tai

suggests keeping the civvies in a

457

:

defensible formation, which Adama

abuse immediately with all of the

458

:

fury he contained last episode.

459

:

Laura: Yeah.

460

:

Yeah.

461

:

He lost his cool.

462

:

It's more about finding Starbuck.

463

:

Um, But again, worst person

I know makes great point.

464

:

Like, Ty isn't wrong.

465

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

466

:

Laura: The civilians should be in a

defensible position, like, especially

467

:

if you have, like we said, ships that

maybe I have to take the whole ship to

468

:

look, you know.

469

:

There could be hundreds, thousands

of defenseless civilians.

470

:

Innocent people on my ship who

did not make this decision,

471

:

it's not fair to them to

472

:

put them at risk too, too far.

473

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

474

:

Laura: So I do think Ty is just

being a responsible XO, so I just

475

:

Adama, get it together.

476

:

Xhafer: We go back to Caprica here and.

477

:

For Helo, it's suddenly blue

color coded when he uh, wakes up.

478

:

And Sharon is nowhere to be found.

479

:

It's supposed to be nighttime,

but it's still kinda like

480

:

daytime out when he leaves?

481

:

And it was breakfast time?

482

:

I don't know.

483

:

I don't know what's going on here.

484

:

I don't think they do a

good job of explaining it.

485

:

It's just very blue on

Caprica for some reason.

486

:

Laura: Is it just a, like a, a nuclear

Winter fallout thing happening, maybe,

487

:

like, all of a sudden we've got some

cloud cover we didn't have before, like,

488

:

weather patterns are all messed up,

I don't know, but Sharon's not in the

489

:

bunker, she's not in the restaurant,

and he really does, like, go out in

490

:

the street just calling for her, which

seems very stupid for a man who was just

491

:

ambushed by the Battlebots, like, come on!

492

:

Xhafer: Starbuck looks

for a way into the Raider.

493

:

Mm hmm.

494

:

Only to be surprised by

how organic the inside is.

495

:

Laura: Me too, Starbuck!

496

:

Yeah, the ship is full of meat.

497

:

Like, ship meat.

498

:

Xhafer: ship meat.

499

:

Laura: So, I had already correctly

assumed earlier in an episode that the

500

:

fighters did not have crews aboard them.

501

:

That they were just straight robot

and I did not include in that that

502

:

they would also have the meaty

bits that the 12 Cylon models

503

:

Xhafer: Yes.

504

:

Um, There is a reason for this,

505

:

Laura: For the

506

:

Xhafer: for the

507

:

meaty

508

:

bits?

509

:

And I don't know if it's explicitly

explained at any point, but I know

510

:

that there is a episode, I think

in Season 2 called Scar, that goes

511

:

a bit more into about the Raiders.

512

:

specifically.

513

:

Um, And, if it's not explicitly

said there, we understand why

514

:

Laura: Okay.

515

:

I guess where I'm going with it in

my head would be that, like, there is

516

:

something about having organic components

that creates a better processor.

517

:

Mm hmm.

518

:

Like, that, and this is so silly,

this is gonna sound like the silliest

519

:

thing, but in my undergraduate, I had

took a philosophy class and a paper

520

:

that I wrote for that class was like,

if we could create a sufficiently,

521

:

like, advanced human like computer

and even mimic the organic components

522

:

and stuff, do we also create a soul?

523

:

Xhafer: huh.

524

:

Laura: And I wrote this

paper talking about:

525

:

And Blade Runner, the

book, as my references.

526

:

And I kind of wish I had known

anything about this show at that time.

527

:

Xhafer: huh.

528

:

Hahahahaha.

529

:

Laura: Cause it seems like

that's what the show is asking.

530

:

Sometimes I'm like, Hmm, did Ronald

D Moore and I have the same thought

531

:

at about the same time, because

that would have been in:

532

:

you know, that I wrote this paper.

533

:

So

534

:

Independently asking a similar question,

but one of us had a lot more resources.

535

:

Xhafer: Haha!

536

:

Laura: And talent.

537

:

And talent.

538

:

Let's go there

539

:

too.

540

:

Xhafer: Ah, yeah, so, uh, just all kinds.

541

:

Of shipmeat in here.

542

:

Starbuck is kind of a gas dead at all.

543

:

Laura: Yeah.

544

:

Xhafer: We, we cut over to Apollo

who suggests pulling the defense

545

:

Vipers away from the civilian

fleet to help with the search.

546

:

Tie objects and Lee yells at him about it.

547

:

Laura: Yeah.

548

:

I want to call out a specific phrase

said in this scene in conversation.

549

:

So Lee is hassling Tyrell about

fixing his Viper and Tyrell's got

550

:

no spares and at one point he says.

551

:

You can push people a lot harder

than you can push machines.

552

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

553

:

Laura: And I thought that

was a weird thing to say.

554

:

Xhafer: makes sense though, because when

a machine hit hits a breaking point, it

555

:

stops because it's broken when a person

556

:

hits a breaking point.

557

:

You can keep going.

558

:

You just pay for it later.

559

:

Laura: Yeah.

560

:

Well, and you think about

the episode 33 where.

561

:

They were all being pushed to their

limit, but they were still hanging

562

:

on after five days, was that right?

563

:

Of constant jumping and no

sleep, et cetera, et cetera.

564

:

But the Cylons were

still right behind them.

565

:

They were still, like, there.

566

:

Xhafer: I mean, the breaking point for

a machine and the breaking point for

567

:

a person are not at the same place.

568

:

Laura: mm hmm.

569

:

Yeah,

570

:

yeah,

571

:

Xhafer: theirs.

572

:

Laura: yeah.

573

:

I don't know.

574

:

I was just like, huh, that's a,

that's like a throwaway line.

575

:

But in the context of this show, I

think you can think about it a lot more.

576

:

Lee actually like grabs

Ty's collar doesn't he?

577

:

Ooh,

578

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's getting spicy in CIC.

579

:

For sure.

580

:

Laura: I don't know what the chain

of command is like in this universe.

581

:

is

582

:

is

583

:

Xhafer: Adama Tai the, the second officer

584

:

Laura: Uh

585

:

Xhafer: Lee.

586

:

I think Lee is the fourth, there might be

other majors on board, but Lee is like the

587

:

fourth highest ranking military official.

588

:

In fact he might be tied with the

second officer on Galactica, I think

589

:

that person might also be a major.

590

:

Laura: I guess I, I've never really

thought about this, because I don't

591

:

think about the military that much,

but because I think about the four

592

:

different branches we have, right?

593

:

And I kind of, in my head was almost

lumping like Adama and Tai into

594

:

Navy, where Lee would be Air Force.

595

:

But the purpose of rank is still

like, if you are dealing with another

596

:

branch, you still have a hierarchy.

597

:

You're not just because

you're in another branch.

598

:

Like, totally separate

599

:

Xhafer: yeah, so we handle

that in the, in the,

600

:

U.

601

:

S.

602

:

by, the rank names might be different

depending on your branch, but there's

603

:

just like E1 through 6, or E1 through 9,

I think technically, and then O1 through

604

:

9, and those are consistent across.

605

:

Laura: Okay.

606

:

Xhafer: So, like, an E6 might be like

a Staff Sergeant in the Army, and

607

:

that might be a different title in a

different branch because you've got

608

:

your Army, your Navy, your Air Force,

your Coast Guard, and your Space Force.

609

:

Are the five branches of a military.

610

:

Laura: Yeah.

611

:

I was forgetting about

612

:

Xhafer: And I believe the Marines

are just part of the Navy.

613

:

Technically.

614

:

I don't think there are

separate branch regardless.

615

:

Who Ron the chat?

616

:

I don't know.

617

:

Anyways.

618

:

Laura: Yeah.

619

:

But I think in Galactica land, it

really is just like one military,

620

:

like my mental division between Leigh

and the rest is, is not accurate.

621

:

Xhafer: I think there are other branches.

622

:

I just don't think we deal with them.

623

:

They always stir.

624

:

I think maybe it might be better

to say there were other branches.

625

:

Laura: Sure.

626

:

Yeah.

627

:

Cause they probably were

elsewhere when all this occurred.

628

:

But I guess there is maybe a little bit

of like, not official division between

629

:

Lee and everyone else just because he's

been picked by President Rosalyn for a

630

:

thing.

631

:

So there might be a little bit of like,

I laid my hands on the superior officer.

632

:

But I have the protection

of the president a little

633

:

bit, so,

634

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, also, I'm

agreeing with my dad, and my

635

:

dad's telling you to do the thing.

636

:

Laura: yeah, there's

637

:

the other

638

:

thing, like,

639

:

Xhafer: So,

640

:

Laura: yeah, yeah

641

:

Xhafer: Starbuck cuts this raider brain

out as her oxygen starts to dwindle.

642

:

Laura: yeah,

643

:

Xhafer: is the thing that makes no

sense to me because she looks at it

644

:

and she's got a quarter of her oxygen

tank left, but she's got like two

645

:

hours of oxygen left out of her 48.

646

:

Laura: uh huh,

647

:

Xhafer: would be like more than like

a quarter of a tank is more than two

648

:

hours because it's just like it's either

a very poorly designed gauge, Like,

649

:

if it's just like a PSI gauge, because

at a certain point the PSI will just

650

:

normalize, and it'll be effectively

empty, it depends on how it works.

651

:

Um, so maybe, it might not be a gauge of

how full the tank is, it just seems to me

652

:

to be Needlessly poorly designed because

you would think that it would be more

653

:

in line with time than anything else.

654

:

or if it was not going to be aligned with

time, you would think that it would at

655

:

least work its way down in a manner in

which a quarter of a tank would be very

656

:

red, but, you know, three eighths of a

tank would have to be very green still,

657

:

Laura: hmm,

658

:

Xhafer: if it's all proportional.

659

:

I just don't know how you use.

660

:

Cause it was three quarters of

a tank and she had 46 hours.

661

:

So make it make

662

:

sense.

663

:

It's a curve and I don't like it.

664

:

It shouldn't be.

665

:

Laura: yeah, and so, she's running

out of oxygen, and wonders how this

666

:

thing breathes, because if it's

organic, it must breathe, and I

667

:

don't know, I don't know that I,

668

:

Xhafer: it doesn't have lungs.

669

:

She didn't cut lungs out of it.

670

:

Laura: yeah, yeah.

671

:

Yeah.

672

:

Xhafer: It's, I mean, why

would you engineer inorganic

673

:

brain to require oxygen?

674

:

If it's going to operate in space,

675

:

Laura: Yeah.

676

:

Like, if you could, why would you do that?

677

:

Why?

678

:

Yeah.

679

:

I don't know.

680

:

I was like, hmm.

681

:

Okay.

682

:

Xhafer: it's very

convenient for her though.

683

:

Laura: It is.

684

:

It is.

685

:

And President Roslin gives a call to Lee.

686

:

She's pretty upset that

they're still searching.

687

:

Um, she points out that they're

being a bit hypocritical.

688

:

Xhafer: This fleet is defenseless.

689

:

Come on now.

690

:

Laura: And Lee tries to

convince himself otherwise.

691

:

Xhafer: just trying to make it

work in his brain meat so that he

692

:

can do the thing he wants to do.

693

:

Commander Adama does not handle

Gaeta's countdown ending well.

694

:

Telling Gaeta to fuck off and

relieving the colonel of duty.

695

:

Laura: Yeah.

696

:

So worst person we know,

Tai made a good point.

697

:

But now we have some apprehension

from Gaeta as well to like

698

:

back up that like, Hey, like.

699

:

This isn't making a lot of sense anymore.

700

:

Cause Gata is actually

super nice and we like Gata.

701

:

We have not seen anything

from him to not like him.

702

:

Xhafer: Yes, that is true.

703

:

Laura: And so Ty like, we've seen him

act like a jerk and we've seen him

704

:

like rationing his booze and we've

seen him be needlessly aggressive at

705

:

Starbuck.

706

:

Xhafer: hmm.

707

:

Laura: So we can discount his opinion

that they're putting people at risk, but

708

:

it's a little harder to discount Gata.

709

:

and Adama is still on.

710

:

A terror about this.

711

:

Xhafer: So, uh, Starbuck

finds the O2 tube here.

712

:

After about 30 minutes past the

end of oxygen, the president

713

:

calls to offer condolences.

714

:

And an hour and 15 minutes after,

she starts knocking on the door.

715

:

Laura: So, cutting tubes in

an organic spacecraft raider.

716

:

We, we know this thing.

717

:

She, she assumes, okay, well, if it's

organic, it's got to have oxygen.

718

:

Well, organic stuff also

has waste too, right?

719

:

What if you accidentally cut the wrong

720

:

Xhafer: Oh, you cut the poop tube!

721

:

Oh no!

722

:

Laura: You thought it smelled bad before.

723

:

Xhafer: Oh.

724

:

Laura: Now I'm picturing these like,

Cylon Raiders going to their base star.

725

:

And they, like, get stuff, they get

one tube plugged up the butt to,

726

:

like, give them more oxygen, and then

they, like, squeeze out the poop tube.

727

:

Xhafer: Hehehe.

728

:

Laura: That's what they do when they come

729

:

Xhafer: Totally, exactly what happens.

730

:

Meanwhile, Starbuck is trying to

figure out how to fly this raider,

731

:

and while Ty fills Rosalyn in on

the history of the Adamas and Kara.

732

:

Laura: Yeah.

733

:

Poor Rosalind, too.

734

:

Like, Being this outsider already in

this situation of military people who

735

:

have their thing, they already know

each other really well and you have

736

:

to go knock on the door to be like,

what the fuck are you doing guys?

737

:

And now you're getting like the rundown

about who is sleeping with who and who

738

:

feels like they're whose daughter and

like, you just want to keep 47, 000

739

:

ish people alive, and you're dealing

with everybody's fee fees all the time.

740

:

Like, oh my god, that sounds awful.

741

:

Xhafer: It sure does.

742

:

Laura: She, she like starts

dressing them down when Tai

743

:

gets her to Adama's quarters, I

744

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she tells the commander that

he's lost perspective and is putting the

745

:

fleet at risk, tells them to give up for

the future of humanity, and the commander

746

:

and Lee kind of look at each other uh, he

orders the search to end and the fleet to

747

:

prep to leave, and as if on cue, Starbuck

gets the Raider into the air this moment.

748

:

Laura: yeah.

749

:

Engines online.

750

:

up.

751

:

Xhafer: hmm.

752

:

Laura: I wondered, I wrote down in my

notes here, how can she see anything?

753

:

Xhafer: That's a good question.

754

:

Laura: We don't get like, there's

a view screen or anything.

755

:

And it's like, was the red

light like just a little window?

756

:

But even if it is, even if the red light

thing is a window, that was really narrow.

757

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it'd be tough

to work with, I gotta imagine.

758

:

Did she have to pull an actual

eyeball out from behind the red light?

759

:

Laura: oh man.

760

:

Yeah, that'd be great.

761

:

Just one

762

:

eyeball though.

763

:

Just

764

:

one.

765

:

Yeah.

766

:

Xhafer: a track.

767

:

Laura: And how is her flight suit?

768

:

Cause she just like tucked her

flight suit into the bullet hole.

769

:

Like there's, there's the one

bullet hole for one thing,

770

:

like there, I guess

there's not any others.

771

:

She tucks her flight suit into

that and then just like takes off.

772

:

It's like,

773

:

okay, I hope that's airtight,

774

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

775

:

I would have been trying to get the oxygen

tube, like, tied up into my flight suit.

776

:

Laura: for real, she's just

like, okay, I'm just going to go.

777

:

With this oxygen like blowing at me,

I think is what she's got it doing.

778

:

I don't

779

:

know.

780

:

Xhafer: Use it to fill up your

tank and then maybe cinch it off?

781

:

Yeah.

782

:

Laura: Yeah,

783

:

Xhafer: I guess depending

on how pressurized you might

784

:

not be able to refill it.

785

:

Laura: Back on Galactica, Leigh and Adama

are having to confront their choices.

786

:

Leigh is not sure his dad would

have done the same thing for him.

787

:

Xhafer: yeah, yeah, yeah.

788

:

He's like Kara's family.

789

:

He's all like, would you

have done the same for me?

790

:

And then the commander's all

like, yeah, well you, I mean,

791

:

you're my third favorite.

792

:

We would have left days

ago, but I would have tried.

793

:

Nah, it's a yeah, it's a

794

:

Laura: I

795

:

Xhafer: father, son moment.

796

:

Laura: It really is, because he's like,

if it were you, I wouldn't be leaving.

797

:

Like, I would be saying, fuck

the president and stay here.

798

:

Which, that's why I wondered, if he

had also disappeared in this, how

799

:

bad Adama would be spinning out.

800

:

Because he was already

spinning out pretty bad.

801

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

802

:

Yeah.

803

:

Mm

804

:

Laura: Oh, and it's so funny that

Rosalind decides that she's gonna

805

:

stay on Galactica for this jump.

806

:

Because she needs to see them

actually do it with her own eyeballs.

807

:

She refuses the offer of a shuttle

808

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

809

:

Laura: her Colonial

810

:

Xhafer: just sit this one out.

811

:

No bigs, no bigs.

812

:

Laura: I want to see how the

professionals do it, she says.

813

:

Xhafer: Diplomatically, so well.

814

:

Kara is starting to make it back here.

815

:

Has Hotdog and Apollo launch when

they catch the Raider on Dratus.

816

:

Hotdog's Viper fails to launch.

817

:

Apollo catches up with the Raider.

818

:

But Starbuck is just so good.

819

:

Almost magically good at piloting.

820

:

Laura: I

821

:

Xhafer: dances around

Apollo firing at him.

822

:

She never fires at him until she can show

him her call sign painted on the wings.

823

:

Laura: thought this was duct tape.

824

:

I thought she had like

yellow emergency tape

825

:

Xhafer: makes more sense to me because I'm

like, where the hell did she get paint?

826

:

How did she have

827

:

oxygen to go and paint it?

828

:

How did she get outside with

her flight suit and everything?

829

:

None of this makes sense to me.

830

:

Laura: Yeah.

831

:

I could see, I can give a little

headcanon to it and say that

832

:

she had the emergency duct tape.

833

:

Xhafer: Yeah, well she used it

to patch her suit, we saw that.

834

:

Laura: yeah, yeah.

835

:

And that before she even

got into the Cylon fighter,

836

:

she went ahead and did that.

837

:

Just like real quick.

838

:

Just like, gonna slap the Starbuck

on here because I know I'm

839

:

getting out of here on this thing.

840

:

So, I, I can give her that.

841

:

I, yeah.

842

:

I think that this whole plan

was really foolhardy, though.

843

:

Xhafer: hmm.

844

:

Laura: Oh man, I mean, I know

there's nothing better at

845

:

this point, but, like, yikes.

846

:

Yikes.

847

:

She got lucky it was Lee.

848

:

That's all I'm saying.

849

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

850

:

Laura: And just Lee.

851

:

Xhafer: Yeah, if it were a couple vipers

she probably would've got blown out

852

:

before anyone would've even noticed.

853

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

854

:

Xhafer: She's brought aboard

as the crew celebrates.

855

:

Yes.

856

:

Lee goes and uh, catches her as she's

getting, like, carded to medbay.

857

:

And he comments on the smell.

858

:

Laura: I did think it was very

interesting, also, that Adama

859

:

uh, Got very excited when Leigh's

like, Oh my god, it's Starbuck.

860

:

It's definitely her.

861

:

Like, he yells to bring her in,

but to shoot if it does anything

862

:

weird.

863

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

864

:

Laura: still thinking like, oh,

could be Cylon problem here.

865

:

he doesn't let that totally

overrule all of his better judgment.

866

:

But still, I don't know, after

the whole, what was that ship,

867

:

Olympic carrier incident?

868

:

Where the Olympic carrier, like,

might have been under Cylon

869

:

control for 30 minutes or so?

870

:

Or was it a few hours?

871

:

Xhafer: yeah, it was uh,

872

:

Laura: Whatever.

873

:

A shorter period of

874

:

time.

875

:

Starbuck Cylon Raider.

876

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

877

:

Laura: Do we completely trust Starbuck?

878

:

It seems like we do,

879

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

880

:

Laura: magic.

881

:

But

882

:

I don't think I would,

883

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

884

:

Laura: because we don't know

what's in those Raiders.

885

:

I mean, now she's bringing us

the ship back and we can see

886

:

all the ship meat and stuff.

887

:

But still, there was that

unknown period of time.

888

:

You don't know what happened down there.

889

:

I would, I would have

suspicions, like, for weeks.

890

:

Probably, maybe even

forever after all of that.

891

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

892

:

Well, that's fair.

893

:

The commander goes and greets her

in medbay, tells her that he's

894

:

proud of her they have a nice

little proud papa moment too,

895

:

Laura: Mm

896

:

Xhafer: and gives her her la gives

her his last cigar to credits.

897

:

Laura: hmm.

898

:

Ta da!

899

:

Xhafer: And that's the episode.

900

:

On a scale of one to twelve

colonies, what are you thinking?

901

:

Laura: This is probably the

least cliffhanging episode.

902

:

I'm not going to say it's no

cliffhanger because we still have

903

:

all that shit going on with Hilo that

904

:

we don't know what's up with him at all.

905

:

So that is nice to have a

feeling of a bit more resolution.

906

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

907

:

Laura: But yeah, I've got a

lot of questions about how

908

:

Starbuck pulled this off.

909

:

I kind of had thought, when we had the

cliffhanger here, that maybe she was

910

:

going to have some more resolution to do

about the whole Zack thing, but I guess

911

:

she's just surviving, so that makes sense.

912

:

Xhafer: Yeah?

913

:

Laura: Hmm.

914

:

I'm going to have to bump this

one down to a nine, I think,

915

:

because I have all those questions.

916

:

It's almost overridden by the questions

that the show wants me to be asking now

917

:

about the shipmeat and other things.

918

:

But there's just some like logical

questions and I'm like, you didn't

919

:

fully get me on board with my

suspension of disbelief here.

920

:

Xhafer: I would agree with that entirely.

921

:

I think that this is meant to be

something for much later in the show.

922

:

Laura: Hmm.

923

:

Xhafer: gonna, I'm gonna leave

it, I'm gonna leave it at that.

924

:

I think this is an episode that I did

not like my first time viewing for

925

:

the exact reason you did not like it.

926

:

And I'm giving it a 10

out of 12 this time.

927

:

Laura: Okay,

928

:

Xhafer: I think that this episode,

with the context of the full series

929

:

behind it, is a stronger episode.

930

:

Laura: okay, that'll help.

931

:

Xhafer: All right, well, that said,

next up, Season 1, Episode 6, Mitmas.

932

:

When a new copy of Doril, a Cylon

who had previously been exposed

933

:

while serving as Galactica's public

relations officer, sneaks aboard and

934

:

blows himself up, killing three people,

Commander Adama and President Rosalyn

935

:

must finally make public the terrifying

secret known only to a select few.

936

:

Cylons now look like humans.

937

:

Laura: Oh no, that was

almost a little spoilery.

938

:

Xhafer: Eh,

939

:

Laura: Eh, it's fine.

940

:

I think if a description spoils something

that happens during the episode, at this

941

:

point, we're like, pretty much every time.

942

:

You and I are speaking, we've either

had to watch one ahead, or like, that's

943

:

the very next thing we're watching.

944

:

I'm not as concerned about those kind

of descriptions, cause like, we're right

945

:

Xhafer: yeah.

946

:

I mean, I have seen ones

where it has ruined the twist

947

:

at the end of the episode.

948

:

And

949

:

I,

950

:

and I have avoided using

those descriptions.

951

:

So I am, I'm looking at like, I've

got a place that I've been going to.

952

:

I've been looking at one.

953

:

If I like it, I run with it.

954

:

If I think it's too much

spoilies, I find a different one.

955

:

Laura: Yeah, that's fair.

956

:

I, I appreciate that, because like,

spoiling a detail in the episode?

957

:

Meh.

958

:

Spoiling a twist at

the end of the episode?

959

:

I would

960

:

Xhafer: Yeah, especially Big Twist.

961

:

I even think, yeah, the one on next

episode, I didn't like any of them

962

:

that I found, so I just wrote one.

963

:

Laura: No

964

:

Xhafer: bits out of ones that I

didn't, the stuff I didn't like out of

965

:

ones I didn't, thought was too much.

966

:

Laura: Huh.

967

:

Okay.

968

:

I remember looking at the one on Apple

because we're watching it on Apple TV and

969

:

I don't remember seeing anything bad about

970

:

Xhafer: Okay.

971

:

We'll get there when we get there, but

before we do, we have to say thank you.

972

:

Thanks, Jeremy.

973

:

Jeremy Siegel, Jeremy

Siegel, 42 dot bandcamp.

974

:

com for putting together our theme

music, appreciate it so much.

975

:

You can find more of Jeremy's work at

that aforementioned band cap website or

976

:

on streaming services as nuclear Jaguar.

977

:

Laura: And thank you to angry.

978

:

duck.

979

:

timemachine on Instagram

for our podcast artwork.

980

:

Xhafer: Hey, Aaron, thanks

for editing this podcast.

981

:

Really appreciate it.

982

:

And all the hard work and

all the time you put in.

983

:

Thank you so much.

984

:

Laura: And thank you, listener,

for being here with us as we

985

:

Go on our Galactica journey.

986

:

It's a lot of fun.

987

:

If you want to join the conversation,

you can check the website for our

988

:

Discord and come hang out there.

989

:

You can hang out with me everywhere

except the BSG spoiler shot.

990

:

Xhafer: And uh, go ahead and

uh, leave us a five star on your

991

:

uh, your, your pod catchers.

992

:

We appreciate that.

993

:

If you enjoy the

994

:

podcast,

995

:

Laura: be great.

996

:

Xhafer: thanks to a crazy Rick who just

left us a five star review uh, a couple

997

:

of weeks ago that I hadn't called out yet.

998

:

Congratulating us on finishing up

B5 and Crusade and all of the films.

999

:

Laura: yeah.

:

00:47:36,532 --> 00:47:37,262

Thanks, Rick.

:

00:47:37,676 --> 00:47:37,816

Xhafer: it.

:

00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:38,726

All right.

:

00:47:38,792 --> 00:47:39,132

Laura: hmm.

:

00:47:39,136 --> 00:47:39,976

Xhafer: you next week, internet.

:

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Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.