Episode 158

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29th Jan 2025

BSG S1E6 - Conspiracy Hackles

Laura and Xhafer question the wisdom of Galactica tour groups. Laura wonders if the Cylons just need to be loved. Xhafer needs his schemes to be clearer. Plus, Space TSA makes its ineffective return in Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 6: Litmus.

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Laura:

Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done

sci fi watchcast by a couple of

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friends who are currently watching

Battlestar Galactica from:

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I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: I'm Traffair.

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Laura: And today we have

Season 1, Episode 6.

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Litmus.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if where you're watching

Battlestar Galactica is doing this

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confusing thing that my Apple TV

is doing, but it, in some places it

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calls it Season 1 Episode 6, and in

some places it's Season 1 Episode 8.

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Right.

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Xhafer: the miniseries?

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No,

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: that's not happening to me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's really inconsistent and very strange.

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Xhafer: No, are they like

in the right order at least?

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Well, I mean they

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Laura: They're in the right order.

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Yeah, yeah, it's like every time I

see it, when it's misnumbered, it is

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just two more than what it should be.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm

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Laura: So I'm trying to make sure

that I write down the correct

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episode number every time.

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But if I mess it up, blame Apple TV.

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Xhafer: We open on an old favorite

for us we open on space TSA

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Laura: Oh, yes.

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Xhafer: the Galactica.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We gotta have a space

TSA on like every ship,

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Xhafer: Yeah, it's

important to have space TSA.

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It's definitely not just

space security theater.

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So,

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Laura: Definitely, probably not.

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Like, if it was space security

theater, you might have bad

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people slipping through,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: you didn't check for bombs

on anyone coming into the ship, you

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Laura: Well, I think they address

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Xhafer: They do, actually, yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I do not believe at this moment, when we

are at Space TSA, that anyone has a bomb

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upon their, their person, their being.

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Xhafer: That happens in a little bit.

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uh, we see a Doral come aboard here

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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We only see them from behind at first.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: as Boomer and the Chief

are hanging out at, like, a pool,

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Laura: Yeah.

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I wondered, were they, are

they in the water tanks?

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Because I have, I have

opinions about that.

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This is a gross thing to be

doing near everyone's water.

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Xhafer: No sex in the

water tank storage room.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's weird.

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I, I would rather believe that

Galactica has just like a gym

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with a swimming pool, but I don't

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Xhafer: That's so unhygienic.

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Uh,

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Laura: Ugh.

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So they're still at it.

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Boo.

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Boo.

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We see the Doral leave his group.

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Oh.

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I don't understand how, surely

every time we have civilians aboard

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Galactica, which I guess there are

probably reasons we need civilians

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aboard Galactica sometimes, right?

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Like, they're not just here

for a tour, I would think.

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Xhafer: probably not.

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Laura: Cause I think we get a day

count and this is day 17 and it's

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like 17 days into an emergency is not

the time to be having tour groups.

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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Laura: but if you're going to

have civilians aboard Galactica,

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you got to have a guy at the

front and a guy at the back.

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Right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Like don't, don't leave

anyone unattended for any reason.

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At any

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Xhafer: For

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Laura: Seriously.

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Xhafer: And like, I know it's like

the premise of this episode, right,

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is like, oh, they've gotta tell the

fleet about the Cylon human, like,

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I get it, like, I'm not trying to

shit in that cereal, but like, you

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couldn't have put a picture of Doral up

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Laura: Yeah.

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And been like this person wanted

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Xhafer: known fugitive in the fleet.

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Don't let on board.

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That's all it takes.

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Someone might ask a question, and then

they get no answer and just be like,

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If you see him, just fucking shoot him.

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You know, just like, believe

me, he's wanted, we found

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out he's around somewhere.

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It's not that fucking hard.

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Leoben, when you've only got a picture

of him as a body, might be a bit

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harder to go if this guy shows up.

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Um, you might have to like.

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Contact your space mortuary and

pretty up the face a little and make

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them look a little bit more alive.

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Laura: Run the AI alive

filter over the dead picture.

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Xhafer: call up the space six feet under

people from the other network and have

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them come by and do the thing and, you

know but, but the very least, Doral,

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you've got like official head shots of

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Laura: For sure.

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He was like real governmental personnel.

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You've got stuff on him.

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You could put something out there.

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And you know, okay.

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I, I did forget for a second the conceit

that Adama, Rosalyn, Billy, And a handful

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of our main characters are the ones

who some of them know about multiple

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Cylons and some of them kind of know,

but some of them no, no, like, but okay.

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Not the rest of the fleet knows.

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Still seems like bad military

procedure to be able to let a

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civilian slip away from your tour

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Laura: WTF.

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Come on, Galactica.

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Grow up.

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That's the theme of these episodes.

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Xhafer: Anyways, Ty notices

Doral, who suicides him suicide

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bombs himself in the hallway

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Laura: Ty and Adama clock him and Adama

actually tries for like a run at him.

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: And Tai is just like, tackled

him, like, no, that's stupid.

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Like, Tai tries to get on the

phone and call for help, I

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Xhafer: Yeah, broken clock.

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Write twice a day.

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Write two

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episodes in a

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Laura: you know.

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Great point, god damn.

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Yeah, so he esplode to Thiem.

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Xhafer: we go to theme and we come

back to Galactica's burn ward.

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Laura: Oh man.

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We have a very crispy person and a

blood curdling scream back from Thiem.

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Xhafer: Yeah, it is

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Laura: Is.

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And Starbuck is like in the middle

of this because she was still in

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sickbay from her smashing up her

knee when she was being dragged

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across the ground by her parachute.

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So she's just like looking around

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: chaos.

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Xhafer: I cannot do

anything to assist here.

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I feel like I should be doing

something, but I cannot be

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Laura: Yeah.

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Like, I literally cannot

stand at this moment.

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I think Adama told her at the last,

at the end of the last episode that

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the doc thought that she would.

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be able to save her knee, but, you know,

it's touch and go, that kind of thing.

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Xhafer: it's bad.

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Laura: yeah.

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She is not helpful.

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And Adama is demanding

to know the body count.

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So we know this is, this is pretty severe.

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Xhafer: After this the commander notifies

the master at arms about the humanoid

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Cylons And of all the people you would

tell, like, of all the people that are,

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like, in on the circle, the person who's

in charge of protecting the munitions on

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the ship probably should've fuckin known.

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Laura: For sure.

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Especially when we had not told her.

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You know, that many episodes

ago, her shit went missing and

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was used to blow something up.

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Like, the water.

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Xhafer: if you didn't tell

her before that, you needed

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to tell her after that, for

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Laura: In that moment.

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Yeah.

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That was the time you needed to do it.

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Especially when one of those

G4 detonators, I think they

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called it, was also found on a Raptor.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: The same episode,

the end of the same episode.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: I, I think she is

pretty righteously angry here.

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Heh heh

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Xhafer: for sure.

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She asks for independent tribunal,

independent uh, Meaning, free

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of his bullshit, she wants to

be able to do the investigation.

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And Adama uh, cedes, and then talks

to uh, the president about it as well.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: they talk about

informing the populace.

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Tai put notes that keeping quiet

about it humanoid Cylon's will.

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Laura: Sigh.

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Yeah.

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I, I appreciate that this is

a tough call for everybody.

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Because We see what devolves on Galactica

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here, with this independent tribunal

and all of that stuff, but imagine

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what is happening on civilian ships,

too, as, you know, we are all stuck

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together, hundreds, maybe thousands of

us, on a ship that may or may not be

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big enough for us to be comfortable,

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and you take a disliking to somebody.

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And you get your conspiracy

hackles up and start building

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the case for why they're a Cylon.

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I mean, this could be chaos.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Callie and some deck crew

build and set up a still.

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The, uh, the chief shuts it down for

being unsafe, and then also offers to

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help them out later that night fixing

it up to actually a suitable still.

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Laura: Yeah, this thing is a hazard

and it is unsafe and we'll fix it

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tonight and make it actually safe.

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So,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: not very long for

those stills to pop up.

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You're right, because this is day 17.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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which I mean, like So you still have to

make, like, wine to make liquor, right?

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Mm hmm.

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It's a statement.

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Um, You have to have some base alcohol

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that you

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Laura: have to ferment

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Xhafer: You have to ferment something and

then you can condense it into a liquor.

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Laura: did somebody get

into the potato stash?

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Xhafer: Well, that's the thing, is like

Two weeks is like, depending on what they

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used and what yeast that they're using.

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If they're not using a brewing yeast,

it's typically slower if they're using

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like a bread yeast, which is likely

what's available around on the ship.

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Laura: Well, do you use yeast in a still?

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Xhafer: well, no, you use

yeast before the still.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Yeast is what makes the

alcohol in the first place to ferment.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: And so, You would

still have to do that.

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That's going to take two weeks to

get a brew of sizable quantity to be

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able to still, because when you still

something, you're taking it and you're

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making it like a 10th of what it was.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: know, and so you need, you know,

five gallons becomes a fifth of a gallon.

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Laura: I 100 percent believe that

there was an alcoholic somewhere

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on Galactica doing that math the

second things started breaking bad.

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It's like, oh shit, I need to get down to

the galley right now and steal a bunch of

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yeast and start that, or I will be feeling

really bad here in a couple of days.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, that's the thing is like

to get to this point probably

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is like 12 days of work.

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And if we're on day 17, that

means as soon as we're done

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jumping every 33 minutes, someone

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started brewing alcohol.

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Laura: Uhhuh, There was probably

somebody thinking about it and

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grabbing stuff during the 30 minutes,

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, you know, at least running

down to the galley.

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Okay, I got some potatoes this time.

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30 minutes things happen.

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Okay, now I'm gonna go

get the, you know, geese.

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Okay.

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Like

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So speaking of day 17, that's

where we're going back to Caprica

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and we find out what date it is.

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And it's Helo and the rats.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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A Six, Doral, and Sharon

watch Hilo from a distance.

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He wakes up, he kind of stumbles out,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: and, uh.

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they're just like, he doesn't quite

sure, quite know what's going on.

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They're just watching from above

and they discuss whether he'll go

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North for love or South for survival.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: dumb is this?

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Laura: So, this is pretty dumb.

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Uh, Doral also says if he flees, he dies.

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And I'm confused, because does Doral

mean if he goes south, he dies?

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Xhafer: Like they don't need him anymore.

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So they're going to kill him.

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Or if he goes East or West,

they're just not interested.

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Laura: or, do you really just

want him to stay put and if

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he goes any direction he dies?

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I'm confused, Doral.

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You need to be more specific.

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This is very

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Xhafer: If you're going to scheme, scheme

at an understandable level, please.

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Laura: right, right,

get on my page, Doral.

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Xhafer: Meanwhile, the commander

and president discussed letting the

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fleet in on the humanoid Cylons.

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Rosalind is concerned it's

going to turn into a witch hunt,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm

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Xhafer: rightfully.

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So

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Laura: I, I get it.

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You know, it's not just about

the witch hunt in command.

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It's about the witch hunt in this fleet

too, that, you know, we've had what,

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12 days to start working on a police

force and some sort of justice system.

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You know, people are going

to start Offering up people

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they don't like as Cylons.

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Like, I'm tired of living

with mother in law.

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She's probably a Cylon.

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Like,

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it's not gonna be good.

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She's afraid of collateral

damage, as she should be.

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The Master at Arms starts questioning

the Chief's whereabouts, too.

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Xhafer: Master Darms is

asking around the flight deck.

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Callie and the still crew all give

different stories about where they were.

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And where the chief was.

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Not a good look.

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Laura: This is so painful.

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Just with each, like, new lie, and

then she gets to him, and his lie is so

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inconsistent with all their lies, where

he says that he was asleep in his bunk,

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Xhafer: While playing Pyramid

while inspecting the deck.

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Laura: right, while being in

the galley, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh.

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Oh, it's so uncomfortable.

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Rosalind holds her press conference,

where she finally gives everyone the

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pictures of the two known Cylons.

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She has appointed the Tribunal.

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Xhafer: Mm

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hmm.

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Laura: They're gonna find

the source of the explosion.

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She gives them that

picture of Doral first.

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And then we cut to, like,

Tyrell looking at Boomer.

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And I'm just like, No!

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No!

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And then she also shows

the dead Lioban picture.

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And warns anyone who sees these men

to call Galactica, or I think the

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Office of the President, either one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So Hopefully we don't get

any more Dorals sneaking around

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anywhere like pieces of shit.

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But I could still see, like you said,

Leoban was a dead guy's picture,

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and that dead guy had gone through

some pretty rough radiation stuff.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I could easily see, if

we don't have a, an AI filter to

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correct for that, that we fuck up

and Leoban gets on Galactica somehow.

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Xhafer: While this is going on,

the Master at Arms grabs Tyrell

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and Boomer for investigation.

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Boomer just lies a bunch

and Tyrell is up next.

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to.

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Laura: Yeah, Boomer says

she's asleep, just like the

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Chief had said he was asleep.

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You just want to shake her the whole time

so she doesn't know where Tyrell was.

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And then As Tyrell is getting questioned,

the, the underlings I call them, because

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I don't know all their names yet, Callie

I got, she's so naive, she's like,

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Oh, they're going after the chief.

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And then someone else

points out that like.

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No, they're trying to go after Cylons.

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Like, if the chief is a

Cylon, that's a problem.

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And she's like, but he's not, I just

know he's not, you know, the feelings.

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And uh, then there's a guy in the

yellow jumpsuit who I don't know

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his name, but I think he's the one

that's like being very practical

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Xhafer: Is this the guy who goes

down forward or the guy who doesn't?

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Laura: No, not the guy who goes down for

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Xhafer: I don't think he has a name.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Well, I was immediately suspicious of

him because he's being very practical

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about the whole thing, but then he tells

them, You guys better watch your backs.

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Like, this, the game

has completely changed.

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Watch your backs.

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And I was like, oh, Is he a Cylon?

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Like, I don't know.

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That was just very suspicious.

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It was probably written

just to make me suspicious,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: so there's more questions

we cut back to Master at Arms.

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She wants to know about the

hatch combing on Causeway Sea.

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Xhafer: This is where the chief and

Boomer had their illicit encounter

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: It was also left unlocked

which allowed Doral to get

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access to the small arms locker.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Where he made himself his quick bomb.

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So that we did find out he didn't

smuggle that through space TSA.

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So good enough job space TSA,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but not good enough.

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Xhafer: Tyrell, in here, says the most

sensible thing out of anyone's mouth

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until Adama at the end of this episode,

where he's all like case in point, the

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Master at Arms is the person responsible

for letting stuff out of those lockers.

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And also the person who's

grilling me about this right now?

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We don't feel that that's

maybe a conflict of interest?

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Laura: Yeah.

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That, that is, I, I, I understand why

Adama kind of caved and gave her the

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freedom to do this, but it is also.

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A conflict of interest because all

of these weapons that have been taken

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away and used for nefarious purposes

or placed in places you would think

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that the master at arms would have some

kind of system that is good enough to

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prevent this under any circumstances.

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Or at least throw up red flags, like

if Boomer had to subvert a control

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to get those six G 4 detonators.

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There would at least be a

record of a control failure,

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you know, even if we don't know who

did it or what happened, but there

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was no record, I think, if I remember

back to that episode correctly, that,

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like, it was just, she opened up a

thing and there were six missing.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Seems very

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Laura: So, hmm.

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Also suspicious.

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Is it stupid or is it Cylon?

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Uh, The Master at Arms goes

through all the crew's lies here

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as well, where they saw the Chief.

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He invokes his right to remain

silent, rather than admit

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to his illegal relationship.

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Laura: I guess I get it,

but I also don't get it.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I don't get it.

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I would have just been very up front

the entire time, at this point.

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Laura: I mean, same.

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Like, I, I would have said, like, look,

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Xhafer: When the It's It's so easy

to explain too, like, Oh yeah, I was

412

:

in that hatchway having an affair

with a officer uh, who I report to.

413

:

That, that, that, we were

ordered to stop and we didn't.

414

:

Throw me in the brig for it, that's fine.

415

:

Um, negligence, whatever.

416

:

Uh, Those, those, all those kids

who said that I wasn't in different

417

:

places, that's because I caught them

building a stolen offer to help them.

418

:

Laura: Yeah.

419

:

Yeah.

420

:

Like, the truth would set you free

421

:

here.

422

:

And I mean, okay, it doesn't

actually set you free in that you

423

:

go to the brig, but it sets you

free in that you're not a Cylon.

424

:

Xhafer: Not to mention, as we find out

at the end of the episode, the Chief

425

:

Wasn't the last one out of that hatchway.

426

:

So how close is he, if he

tells the truth here, to Boomer

427

:

being implicated as a Cylon?

428

:

Laura: Yeah.

429

:

I don't know.

430

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

431

:

It's like, okay, we'll bring Valeri

back and we're going to question her

432

:

some more about why she left this shit

unlocked and why she lied about it.

433

:

Then

434

:

put her in the brig.

435

:

Laura: Yep.

436

:

Just some bri time for both of those two.

437

:

And separate Briggs.

438

:

. We need them, like, there needs to be

like deck three B Bri and deck two.

439

:

Bri, they need to not be anywhere

near each other, but a little Bri

440

:

time would do some, do some good

441

:

Xhafer: Crewman A comes in after

this and owns up to everything.

442

:

Laura: This guy, they, they all look like

a bunch of buffoons, these underlings

443

:

with like.

444

:

covering for their guy when they

should realize at this point that

445

:

the stakes are so way different.

446

:

We don't need to be doing that anymore.

447

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

448

:

Laura: Like, we need to be grown

ups about this whole thing.

449

:

They're all, I don't know

about the actors, but they

450

:

all come across as very young.

451

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

452

:

Laura: Not a good look for any of them.

453

:

Xhafer: No.

454

:

Laura: But we go back

to Caprica for a minute.

455

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

456

:

Laura: Helo starts to set out south.

457

:

Dusk, presumably.

458

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

459

:

Laura: Six starts mocking

Sharon for Helo not loving her.

460

:

He stops, pulls out his

gun, and heads north.

461

:

And Doryl says, oh, he loves you.

462

:

And then asks Sharon if she's ready

for the next step, and she confirms.

463

:

So this is where I want

to have the conversation.

464

:

What is up with these Cylons and their

obsession with making humans love them?

465

:

Six, as we talked, SixPT, in the previous

episode, is extremely jealous of Starbuck.

466

:

And you could almost make a case

for it just being something about

467

:

the Sixes at first in this scene,

because Six is like, mocking Sharon,

468

:

like, Oh, haha, he doesn't love you,

469

:

But Doral also seems to care

and buys into the love language.

470

:

And I'm wondering, is it just like

a you know, psychological problem of

471

:

like, Sometimes children of parents

who neglected them in some way will,

472

:

like, seek out partners who also

don't treat them well because they're

473

:

reenacting things, and I don't know.

474

:

Ja'far has picked up a piece of pizza,

listener, and he is eating pizza.

475

:

At me, because I think he doesn't

want to try to say anything.

476

:

He's nodding now, yes, and a thumbs up.

477

:

Because Laura's getting

too close to something.

478

:

But boy, it's, it's odd that these

Cylons really want to be loved.

479

:

Xhafer: It sure is.

480

:

It's good

481

:

Laura: Yeah.

482

:

Sharon doesn't seem to

react a whole bunch to this.

483

:

But Boomer certainly has some

reactions in this episode.

484

:

So.

485

:

Let's just keep going.

486

:

Xhafer: Baltar brings Starbuck

a cigar in the medbay.

487

:

Laura: Uh

488

:

Xhafer: And she's like,

man, this is crazy.

489

:

Um, given how close they were

to your lab, you, you must have

490

:

totally been the target, right?

491

:

Because you're building

the Cylon detector?

492

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

493

:

He has not thought about this, listener.

494

:

He is so far up his own butt he

didn't even think about, you know,

495

:

that his project was on CDEC and

they blew themselves up on CDEC

496

:

and maybe these Cylons in the fleet

really don't want to be found.

497

:

You see him shit his pants

right in front of Starbuck here.

498

:

Xhafer: Yeah, and it doesn't

help that 6BT is literally

499

:

pulling strings behind a curtain.

500

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

501

:

She's like, you hear the music and

you see her hand in the curtain.

502

:

Xhafer: it's so good.

503

:

Laura: Does, does Gaius hear the

music every time 6PT shows up?

504

:

I hope so.

505

:

Because clearly, you know, she

can be like behind him where

506

:

he doesn't know she's there.

507

:

Like, you know.

508

:

He might get, like, a feeling, but

I want there to be music in his

509

:

head, so it's, like, for sure, and

he gets to, like, cringe internally.

510

:

Xhafer: She quotes the 70s Hulk

show, which is fun because that

511

:

aired at the same time as Battlestar

Galactica, the The, The, you

512

:

wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

513

:

That was

514

:

Laura: Yes, yeah, he starts, he leaves,

you know, unceremoniously, very abruptly.

515

:

Uh, Starbucks bedside and immediately

starts whining to 6PT in the hallway

516

:

that they're trying to kill him so he's

going to destroy his Cylon detector.

517

:

Xhafer: Yep,

518

:

Laura: That's when she hulks out.

519

:

Xhafer: yep.

520

:

.

Laura: throws him against the bulkhead, the hallway, and again, he

521

:

looks weird as fuck in this hallway.

522

:

up against The, the hall

talking to something and a

523

:

crewman sees him doing this.

524

:

Like we see a guy, I think with a

gun walking through the hallways

525

:

and just like, look it gaas.

526

:

Why is no one suspecting

gaas of being asylum yet

527

:

Xhafer: Did you notice that like

whenever they're walking down hallways,

528

:

they're holding hands So his hand

is like out like someone's holding

529

:

it when he walks down hallways when

530

:

Laura: Yeah, just like

curled with the, yeah.

531

:

That's fucking weird.

532

:

Xhafer: Yep,

533

:

Laura: People should be questioning

Gaius at least a little bit.

534

:

And you know, he's pissed people off.

535

:

So, you know, witch hunt, you

know, it's gonna come around

536

:

at some point, I would think.

537

:

So weird.

538

:

Xhafer: After this, we cut over to

the set of Eiffel 65's Blue music

539

:

video, where Sharon gets beat up by

Six and Doryl to give her convincing

540

:

injuries before Helo finds her.

541

:

Laura: And Doryl punches her once.

542

:

And then Six goes to town.

543

:

Xhafer: beats the shit out of her.

544

:

Laura: And I'm wondering, is this

a manifestation of Six's jealousy?

545

:

That Hilo loves Sharon?

546

:

And so, I'm just gonna get a few hits

in on her to make myself feel better?

547

:

Like, she punches her in the

face, she like, gets her down and

548

:

kicks her, and I was like, huh.

549

:

Xhafer: I mean, is this the same Six

who Gaius was sleeping around on?

550

:

Laura: I mean, I don't know.

551

:

We don't really know, right?

552

:

We don't know what happened

to the Six that was on Caprica

553

:

during the

554

:

bombs.

555

:

Xhafer: Uh,

556

:

Laura: True.

557

:

Xhafer: it's not necessarily

the case but it's possible.

558

:

Uh, It's possible that if Cylons

are individuals, that this is

559

:

the same one reincarnated, or if

there's a shared consciousness,

560

:

that she would remember that

561

:

Laura: Yeah, she knows all those things.

562

:

Or are Sixes just jealous?

563

:

Xhafer: maybe Sixes are just jealous.

564

:

Maybe that's just part

of their, their thing.

565

:

Laura: I don't know, man.

566

:

Xhafer: Dom and Rosalind talk about

the tribunal's initial findings as the

567

:

commander is summoned to the tribunal.

568

:

Laura: Yeah.

569

:

Yeah, they get a brief moment

here where, you know, they're

570

:

like, Oh, this specialist has

owned up to some gross negligence.

571

:

Mm hmm.

572

:

But Adama's not convinced, because

he read the transcripts, and it,

573

:

we saw the transcripts, so we

know, like, this is suspicious.

574

:

This does seem like somebody's

taking the fall for somebody.

575

:

And Rosalind seems very suspicious of

Tyrell, as she should but it's too late

576

:

for much more discussion, as Adama gets

called before the tribunal himself.

577

:

Xhafer: Yep.

578

:

Yep.

579

:

Laura: But we go back

to Caprica real quick.

580

:

We're not done with Helo and Sharon.

581

:

Xhafer: Hilo lurks around a

Cylon facility of some variety

582

:

that has like two Centurions.

583

:

Laura: Oh, it's a facility?

584

:

I thought it was just like an empty

585

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean, I think any,

anywhere where the Cylons are at

586

:

this point is a Cylon facility.

587

:

Laura: Anywhere where two or more

are gathered as a Cylon facility.

588

:

yeah.

589

:

We've got this battle bot that's

dragging a human is it the same

590

:

BattleBot that gets a drop on him?

591

:

Xhafer: Uh, He gets a drop on one.

592

:

There's, I think there's

two battle bots here.

593

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

594

:

One gets a drop on him.

595

:

Yeah.

596

:

Xhafer: But he's able to take them out.

597

:

Uh, And he finds Sharon.

598

:

Laura: Hey, we didn't talk about this.

599

:

In the last episode, and I meant

to, but I didn't write it down.

600

:

This time I wrote it down.

601

:

It seems really inefficient,

or really poor design, that a

602

:

headshot should take out a Cylon.

603

:

Xhafer: Agreed.

604

:

Laura: Like, if you have the ability

to create a robot, you should put

605

:

redundancies in, or something?

606

:

Or don't store its brain all in one place?

607

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

608

:

Laura: Why would you make it so easy to

disable one with a shot to the brain?

609

:

Xhafer: I don't know, but I didn't

design Cylons, so hard to say.

610

:

Laura: we rescue Sharon, and

she says they should go, with an

611

:

ominous look back toward Cameron.

612

:

I

613

:

Xhafer: Yeah, the Master at Arms is

starting to interrogate Indama here and

614

:

make sure, to make sure, that the security

failures are Indama's fault for not

615

:

telling anyone that they needed to change.

616

:

Laura: mean, one of the questions she

asks very directly is like, Why did

617

:

you not inform Galactica's security?

618

:

Which includes her.

619

:

So, I get it.

620

:

Like, yeah.

621

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

622

:

Laura: She asked him directly,

does he believe that a Cylon

623

:

blew up the water tanks?

624

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

625

:

Laura: And he does.

626

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

627

:

Are there Cylons on board?

628

:

Probably.

629

:

Laura: Yeah.

630

:

Xhafer: did you let Tyrell

and Boomer continue?

631

:

Laura: And then she basically

implicates the lack of discipline

632

:

as a cause of Cylon infiltration.

633

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

634

:

Dama is culpable because of this.

635

:

Laura: Again, I don't know

that we're totally wrong there.

636

:

Xhafer: I don't think so, but

also this is a bit too far.

637

:

And Adama agrees.

638

:

He shuts it down.

639

:

The Master of Arms orders the

guards to make Adama stay.

640

:

He orders the guards to

restrict her to her quarters.

641

:

And just looks at him and

is like, Make a choice, son!

642

:

Yeah.

643

:

Laura: Yeah.

644

:

Yeah, he, he speechifies that this

is now a witch hunt and it's over.

645

:

And the men choose to obey Adama.

646

:

So I, I think they've probably

observed a lot of this tribunal.

647

:

I, you can't, I can't imagine

you have like a constant guard

648

:

rotation on this whole thing.

649

:

So they've probably seen enough to

make them just enough uncomfortable.

650

:

with the whole thing that they'd

rather listen to Adama right now.

651

:

And then we see Rosalind

give another conference.

652

:

So that specialist we got his

name, but I didn't write it down.

653

:

Socinus,

654

:

Xhafer: It's a sinus.

655

:

Something like that, yeah.

656

:

Laura: Yeah he's been thrown under the

bus, but just for negligence, not for

657

:

being conspirator, yeah, or asylum.

658

:

And.

659

:

Tyrell goes to Adama to admit

the truth about the whole

660

:

relationship and everything.

661

:

Tries to, you know, say that Sassinus

is innocent, shouldn't really be there.

662

:

but Adama points out that

he doesn't really know what

663

:

Sassinus was up to, does he?

664

:

Because he wasn't there.

665

:

He was with Boomer.

666

:

And we know that Sassinus

lied under oath at least once.

667

:

Because he said one thing, and

then he said another thing.

668

:

One of those times had to be not true.

669

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

670

:

Laura: And then he just,

like, stabs him in the dick.

671

:

And says, you know, if you kept

your pants zipped, none of this

672

:

would be happening right now.

673

:

Xhafer: Yup.

674

:

Yeah.

675

:

The chief is going to have to live

and serve with his guilt here,

676

:

Laura: Yep.

677

:

Xhafer: which, I mean, I don't know that

the ship operates without the chief.

678

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know that I want

those little buffoons as adorable as they

679

:

are, trying to run this on their own.

680

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

681

:

Laura: I think we can be, I'm

starting to like develop a picture

682

:

in my mind of, I can't figure

out who is a Cylon at this point.

683

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

684

:

Laura: Not enough context and

material, and some of it's going

685

:

to be very misleading, right?

686

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

687

:

Laura: But I think Adama

gave me enough information.

688

:

And earlier when he and Rosalind were

talking about Tyrell, he said that

689

:

Tyrell's been on the ship for five

years and he's had plenty of time to

690

:

take it down if he really wanted to.

691

:

I think Tyrell is not a Cylon

692

:

Xhafer: Okay.

693

:

Laura: because of that.

694

:

And then also like he has, having

been on the ship that long, like knows

695

:

all the quirks of the older machine.

696

:

Right.

697

:

And the Cylons would really

need to know that stuff.

698

:

Right.

699

:

So, it would have been very

easy to get from him already.

700

:

So, I don't know.

701

:

I'm, I'm writing for team

Tyrell is not a Cylon.

702

:

Um, the other ones I've been

thinking about that I could get

703

:

behind for sure, they're not Cylons.

704

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

705

:

Who's not a Cylon?

706

:

Let's get a list.

707

:

Laura: Ah, Adama.

708

:

Not a Cylon.

709

:

Because he's too prominent.

710

:

You can't have multiple Adamas

just running around the fleet.

711

:

Like, he would have to be the only one.

712

:

I guess that's possible, is

that there could be a model that

713

:

there's just only one of them

714

:

Xhafer: I mean, only one in the fleet.

715

:

Laura: Yeah.

716

:

Xhafer: sense.

717

:

Laura: Rosalind seems pretty

safe to not be a Cylon.

718

:

for the same reason.

719

:

Xhafer: Okay.

720

:

Laura: You would have

to have just the one.

721

:

And I'm, I'm putting a caveat there.

722

:

You could have a model

where you have just the one.

723

:

Xhafer: Okay.

724

:

Laura: Also, It would be really odd, but

I guess it could be done for the Cylons

725

:

to give one of their own breast cancer.

726

:

Like,

727

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

728

:

Laura: it could, it would be

weird, but it could be done.

729

:

But it seems too weird.

730

:

So that's pretty much, like,

where I'm at is I don't think

731

:

those three people are Cylons.

732

:

Xhafer: three.

733

:

Okay, Okay, I'm gonna do a thing.

734

:

I,

735

:

Laura: Oh, do I have

736

:

Xhafer: hands, no, no, no, no, no, On

my hands, I have three numbers, right?

737

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

738

:

Xhafer: One of these hands

shows how many you got right.

739

:

One of these hands shows

how many you got wrong.

740

:

I'm not gonna tell you which is which.

741

:

But I will show you the counts.

742

:

Okay.

743

:

Laura: Okay.

744

:

Xhafer: Okay,

745

:

Laura: Hmm.

746

:

Xhafer: I'm holding up two fingers on

one hand and one on the other because

747

:

I just remembered that this is an audio

format and y'all need that, sorry.

748

:

Laura: Oh boy, that sucks.

749

:

Okay.

750

:

Neat.

751

:

Neat.

752

:

Xhafer: a little air of mystery, you know?

753

:

Laura: Okay, well, Anyway, after

we stabbed Tyrell in the dick

754

:

he goes to meet Boomer again.

755

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

756

:

Laura: But this time, it's over.

757

:

Xhafer: yeah, he ends the relationship.

758

:

He refuses to put his relationship

and happiness above his crew,

759

:

Laura: Mhm.

760

:

Xhafer: is the nice way of saying it.

761

:

She does not handle this well though.

762

:

Laura: The fact that she even demanded

an explanation from him is wild to me.

763

:

Like, you are close enough to

this whole situation that you

764

:

should fucking know exactly why

you're being broken up with here.

765

:

And you should have, like, been

grappling with it before you got to

766

:

this moment in the water tanks again.

767

:

Xhafer: for sure.

768

:

Laura: Like, What the fuck, Boomer.

769

:

Don't be so stupid.

770

:

She's a stupid Cylon.

771

:

She's stupid and Cylon.

772

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

773

:

Laura: She's pretty petulant here.

774

:

When he explains the obvious to her.

775

:

And starts to walk away.

776

:

And that's when we have the moment.

777

:

He asks about the hatchcombing.

778

:

And she refuses to answer him.

779

:

Xhafer: Yep.

780

:

Laura: Just walks away.

781

:

Xhafer: That's the

782

:

Laura: Credits.

783

:

Xhafer: On a scale of 1 to 12

784

:

colonies.

785

:

How do you feel about this one?

786

:

Laura: Well.

787

:

I think I like it a little bit

better than the last one because

788

:

I'm not distracted by those like,

how did you get the thing to seal?

789

:

And how did you find the

oxygen tube and not the poop

790

:

Xhafer: suing all over the universe?

791

:

Yeah.

792

:

Laura: Yeah.

793

:

Yeah.

794

:

And it has that, you know,

like 12 angry men, like the

795

:

crucible

796

:

vibes.

797

:

Mm hmm.

798

:

It's really, really

intense and really strong.

799

:

So I would bump this one back up to 10.

800

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

801

:

I love this episode.

802

:

This is an 11 for me.

803

:

Laura: yeah, yeah, I, I am

mad at some characters because

804

:

they are behaving stupidly, but

it's believable human stupid.

805

:

I'm very curious about our Cylons,

who really want to be, they just want

806

:

a hug from Mommy and Daddy, I think.

807

:

I think that's what they really need.

808

:

Maybe we just need Adama and Rosalyn

to sit down and love their children.

809

:

I don't know.

810

:

There was a lot to chew on in here, a lot

to wonder about, and I would be really

811

:

surprised if we just completely leave

witch hunting in the past, in the show.

812

:

Xhafer: Well, we'll see

how Gaius's work goes.

813

:

Laura: Yeah.

814

:

Xhafer: Clearly it wants to

be stopped by the Cylons.

815

:

So,

816

:

Laura: Yep.

817

:

And it's so strange, 6BT

really wants a Cylon detector.

818

:

Or something that looks like

a Cylon detector, perhaps.

819

:

Xhafer: Does she?

820

:

Laura: Well, I don't know.

821

:

She really wants him to continue

822

:

Xhafer: She really wants

him to have a nuke.

823

:

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

824

:

She really wants Something about

the project to be continuing.

825

:

Is it actually the Cylon detector or is it

a nuke or is there a secret third option?

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I don't know about yet.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, you ready to hear the

description of next episode?

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I,

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Laura: Yeah, I'm, I'm very curious

as to the description you got,

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because I had the Apple TV one that

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was kind of spoilery, but not too

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Xhafer: I wrote this one to be less

spoilery than the one that I saw,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: which is when, when Baltar

and the number six who lives in

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his head have a falling out, she

abandons him only to surface a short

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while later aboard the Galactica has

Shelley Godfrey, an associate of Dr.

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Amarak.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah, we remember Dr.

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Amarak.

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He was the doctor that was

going to come on board in 33.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Is that the

episode where it happened?

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Yeah, I think it was 33 because like

we're jumping all over and we can't

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get this guy on board and then he

happened to be on the Olympic carrier.

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But he claimed to have proof that

Gaius was involved in the shutting

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down of Caprico's defenses.

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Xhafer: so we'll see

where this one takes us.

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Laura: I'm very

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excited.

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Xhafer: But before we do,

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we have to say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

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Thanks so much, Jeremy,

for our theme music.

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Appreciate the hell out of it.

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You can find more of Jeremy's

work at jeremysiegel42.

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bandcamp.

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com and on streaming services.

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It's nuclear Jaguar.

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Laura: And thank you to Angry Duck

Instagram for our podcast start work.

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Xhafer: Aaron.

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Thanks so much for editing this podcast.

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Appreciate the hell out of it.

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All the work and time you put

into making a sound coherent

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and getting it out on time.

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Thank you so much.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And thank you, listener,

for being here with us.

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If you just really want to talk

Cylon spoilers, you can get in

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our discord and I won't be there.

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So I won't see any of your spoilers.

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So make sure you keep it in

spoiler chat and everything else.

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You can talk to me and

just not about spoilers.

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Xhafer: Just no spoilies

in non spoily chat.

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Them be the rules.

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We'll see you next week, internet.

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Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.