Episode 181

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23rd Jul 2025

BSG S2E14 - Maximum Got

Laura and Xhafer express their appreciation of Doc Cottle. Laura has some critiques of Apollo's casual wardrobe. Xhafer tries to be a stairsman. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 14: Black Market.

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Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm Shafer

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we've got a

very special episode today.

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Laura: Yes.

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There's a lot of feelings in this episode.

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sadly being sad.

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Xhafer: I didn't want to tell

you this before we recorded,

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but now that you've recorded and

now that you've made your notes.

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As a first time watcher, you might

not have been aware that this is

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generally considered by everyone

on planet Earth to be the worst

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episode of Battlestar Galactica.

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Laura: So Aaron, the, like, we watched

the episode a few days ago, right?

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And then, I think it was yesterday, he

was like, so what'd you think about that?

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And I was like, it's weird because

we've watched, uh, this one and we went

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ahead and watched the next one Scar.

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And I was like, they're basically doing

the same thing in many, many ways.

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it's weird that they stacked 'em

right next to each other and this

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one is not as good as the other one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and he told me the same thing.

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He was like, well, I didn't wanna say

anything yet, but this is like one of the

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worst episodes of Battlestar Galactica.

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Xhafer: Even Ron Moore.

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Has come out and been all like, this is

the worst episode of Battlestar Gala acta.

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Laura: There's some really

weird choices in here.

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Like I, I had actually been sort

of waiting for like, the sex work

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episode because I was like, this

is a thing that would happen.

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This is something that would absolutely

happen in this scenario and setting.

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And, it's, it didn't really provide

any satisfying content on that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and then there's the

choice to have Lee obsessing

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over this woman that we have.

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I don't think I've ever seen her before.

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Okay.

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I was like, I think she hasn't been

mentioned at all up until this moment.

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Xhafer: And besides like one

or two off comments in the

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rest of the show is, that's it.

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This is all we get of her.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: remember at least,

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Laura: It's weird because like

it seems like it was some sort

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of dramatic, tragic breakup

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Xhafer: They don't even

really tell us anything.

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Right.

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It's all through like glares

of flashback and stuff,

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so.

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Yeah.

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Laura: the lens flare on this,

this flashback just like, whoa.

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Xhafer: Uh,

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Laura: Very glare.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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JJ Abrams was clearly, uh, producing

this epi, just this episode,

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Laura: Yeah.

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I was like, did we need to make up a woman

just to fridge her, like to make Lee's

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feelings make more sense or something?

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I don't know.

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Like at least Starbucks, we've

discussed the brother before.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: although we haven't, since Anders

showed up, we haven't discussed him since.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Well, we haven't spent a

lot of time with Starbucks lately.

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Laura: Yeah, that's true.

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We're gonna,

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Xhafer: everyone else.

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Yeah.

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Laura: yeah.

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I don't know.

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I, I could see I did not, I,

I actually thought about the

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rating of this one ahead of time.

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A lot of times I don't, I'm not putting

it down there at like one or two, but

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it's certainly not the same caliber.

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Xhafer: I, I think part of

that is our rating scale, using

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the one to 12 colonies that we

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Laura: It's a lot.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: um, is like, there's

a lot of range, right?

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Like a one, A one has to be so

bad compared to, like, originally

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we had, you know, Babylon one,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: you know, on our, on our scale,

our previous scale of Babylon's, one to

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five listener, if you didn't listen to our

Babylon five coverage, every episode was

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rated on a scale of babylon's one to five.

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Laura: Naturally.

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Xhafer: Yeah, of course.

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Um, and, uh, we would, uh, I feel

like we could dip down a little

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lower pretty comfortably because

of how small that scale was.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: You know, like a

one is still in the top 20%.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Xhafer: You gotta hit like a 2, 2 5, or

whatever for that to be the case here.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I think mathematically it feels

wrong to give this a one or two,

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even if it is the worst episode.

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But like, if you think about

the statistics, like the

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normal distribution, right?

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Should be somewhere around the middle.

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And if this one is that bad, it

really should be the one to two.

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But I just, I don't

feel like I can do that.

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That feels mean.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Even, even for this.

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So, should tell the people

what we're watching actually.

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Xhafer: We got season two,

episode 14, black market.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I don't know why I did that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: do most things.

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Laura: We opened this episode up

and it's doing that thing right.

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We're gonna do the record scratch.

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I bet you're wondering how I

got here with this episode.

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Right.

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Xhafer: We've done that a lot this season.

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Laura: uh, we do it the

very next episode, sir.

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Xhafer: And we've done it at

least, I wanna say three or four

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other times this season now too.

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I haven't been, I haven't been

keeping track, but this is definitely,

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feels like the good old going

back to B five assassination to

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Assassination attempt a theme

of Babylon five definitely feels

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like that's our, how do we start

this episode by starting it at the

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climax and then rewinding 48 hours.

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Of course.

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It's like, you could tell me that

around the time all of these episodes

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were getting written, they had a, like

a, a gimmick in the writer's room.

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They're like, everyone

pitched your best cold open.

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That starts in the middle of an episode,

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Laura: Uh,

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Xhafer: and then everyone went off to

write their episodes of that season

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and came back with all of these

and they just lined them all up.

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Laura: make it do it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Everyone fuck it.

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Laura: I think that this is so

jarring to us because of the

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environment we're watching it in.

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Like in 2004 when this was

on TV and it was one a week.

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Maybe you didn't notice this as

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: but we're just sitting here

like, wait, you literally just did that.

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We just did that

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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In what was weeks of production for you?

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And A week of me in

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In 2025?

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Laura: E.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So this time we've got, uh, Lee

pointing a gun at a guy into the,

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in a suit who says that Lee won't

shoot him because he is not like him.

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And I paused and I turned to Aaron

and I said, did we really make the

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head of the black market a black guy?

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Xhafer: Oh, yes,

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Laura: We sure did, folks.

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Xhafer: did.

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Laura: And then we jumped back 48 hours.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Lee is having a encounter

of the sexy variety.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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On cloud nine.

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fun Cloud nine detail.

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Have you noticed this?

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The, the doors, I don't

think it was the scene.

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I think it's later, but the doors.

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Have like a hotel disclosure on them.

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Like, you know, the, the thing that they

have on the door that tells you like all

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the things that they're not liable for.

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Probably

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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How to get outta there if it's burning

down, because you're gonna take

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the time to read that right then,

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Laura: Uhhuh, yes.

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They have that on these doors in

Cloud nine, and I enjoyed that a lot.

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Xhafer: uh, and before anyone says

anything, yes, I know you read it

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before the building is on fire,

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Laura: Sure I do.

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Xhafer: of course, right?

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Yeah.

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That's what any reasonable adult would do.

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Of course.

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Laura: Probably every time I go to exit

the Door I'm like, Ooh, reading material.

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Xhafer: I.

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I try to be a, a starman over an elevator

man personally, and so I usually will

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use that when I first get to a hotel

to find out where the stairs are.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Smart.

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Then, you know, then you

already know for the fire.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Unless it's been prohibitively

high, I'm a starman.

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Although I will say I've started taking

the stairs down at work pretty regularly,

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which is like, oh yeah, I'm on 27.

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Laura: You're on 27.

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Dang.

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No.

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So I've been doing a little

bit of strength training to

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like break up my running days.

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Right.

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And I don't know what

I'm doing to my muscles.

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Somebody in the Discord tell me, but it

is harder to walk downstairs right now,

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like down the stairs than up the stairs.

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Like my muscles are much angrier going

down the stairs than up the stairs.

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So,

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I

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Xhafer: Maybe it's a balance thing.

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'cause going downstairs is

like falling effectively.

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yeah.

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. So yeah, you're like, you're,

you're maneuvering your body and

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letting gravity do most of the work.

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So maybe it's a balanced muscle thing

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would be like my instinct.

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Like just guess.

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Or maybe it's like a toe thing

because up you go heel first down,

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if you go toes first, maybe it's

something with that muscle group.

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But this is all bullshit.

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'cause I don't know anything about bodies.

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I'm just guessing.

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So.

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Laura: For real human bodies.

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I don't know, I let somebody else tell me

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Xhafer: Oh yeah, I have a

doctor for a reason and whatever

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he says, I fucking listen.

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So, anyways, Getting back on it, uh,

the president is, is on a Galactica

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meeting with the Dal Fisk and

that unlovable scam, GAAS Baltar.

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Laura: Ooh boo.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Rosalyn is getting back to work.

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She's wanting to get her arm around.

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Things that she's sort of,

let's slide while she was dying.

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Xhafer: This scene, I was laughing

out loud at this scene because she's

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talking about like scarcity and how

people are struggling and they have to

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get this black market under control.

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His Fisk is just eating handfuls of M and

MSS out of Adama's candy jar the entire

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time is just constantly digging in full

fist handfuls and just shoving them into

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his face as fast as he possibly can.

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Laura: Yes.

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Um, I had thought up until

this episode that perhaps Mr.

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Fisk could have some sort of redemption

arc about, you know, 'cause he seemed a

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little bit torn up about the things that

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Xhafer: well, he gets pretty torn

up about the things that happen.

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About three

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Laura: thought, I just thought that,

Hey, maybe that's where we're going.

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That wasn't where we were going.

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Xhafer: No.

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Rosalyn wants the military

to control the flow of goods.

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Yay.

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Fascism.

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Laura: I mean, free markets

something, I don't know.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Like clearly this black

market is like, not.

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Doing it.

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This is

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not cutting it.

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This is no good, but I don't know that the

solution is Military controls everything.

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Xhafer: Well, right now

there's no free market, right?

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There's, there's the market where

you get your rations, and then

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there's the secondary market,

which is the black market.

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In this case, the, the real answer

is to introduce a primary market, a.

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Laura: yes.

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Xhafer: Pay people and reintroduce

money and do some stuff with that.

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And then you've got an economic

system again, and you've

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got your transfer of goods.

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You will of course have social

inequalities because of that, but right

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now it's that, but significantly worse.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Lots of exploitation.

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Xhafer: well, I mean, if no one

is owning a business, right, like

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you, you've effectively, everyone

gets, you know, a basic income.

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You, you're basically moving to socialism,

like a full communism, really not

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socialism at that point, very quickly.

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It's like everyone gets this

much money, you know, everyone

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works for the government.

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It's how it is already working, except

they're not doing the thing with the goods

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on the backside, which is what they need

to be if they want to control this market.

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Laura: And if I do remember

back a little ways, I think Mr.

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Zurich made this point already

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: that like, Hey, I think it

was in our Quorum of 12 episode,

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where we're like electing them

and he didn't make vice president

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: that like, he was

like, Hey, we need a market.

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And Rosalyn was like, no, we're busy.

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Which at that time.

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Fair.

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but it's one of those things, you

have to work on this at some point.

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So after leaving this meeting, Fisk

and Gais have a little chat in the

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hallway, uh, very openly in the hallway.

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There's like people behind them and

stuff when they're very clearly talking

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about like, Hey, you, uh, you lining

things up against the president and

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against this whole stupid trade thing.

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And they're like, yeah, it's all fine.

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Like Gais and Fisk are are

just buddy buddying, and Fisk

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is like playing both sides.

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He's like, oh yeah, I'll pretend

to go along with Adama, but I am

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definitely still in your corner.

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Buddy.

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Here's your cigars or whatever.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: So fuck these guys.

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Xhafer: Fuck these guys.

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Uh, speaking of, fuck that guy.

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Uh, Lee is back on Cloud

nine, with Sivan again.

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Uh, we learn, uh, he's got a dolly for her

daughter Pya as, uh, their conversation

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informs us that she is a practitioner

of one of the oldest professions.

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You know, if we follow Maslow's

hierarchy, he'd say it's like the

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fifth or sixth prof profession.

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you know, you, you catch my drift, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She's a prostitute

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Laura: yeah.

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I mean.

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Xhafer: variety under the

differences in the terminology here.

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I think prostitute is the,

the nicest one outside of sex

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worker, which is more generic.

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Laura: Yeah, sex worker

is very general, right?

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You can be a just dancer of sorts

and be considered a sex worker, but

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yeah,

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there's a pretty, pretty

fine point on the other one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, I think that's the, that's a

more acceptable, I'm, I'm trying not

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to be derogatory, and it occurred

to me that this is a gap in my

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knowledge where I don't know what

the preferred nomenclature is.

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Laura: do we be the most respectful?

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Not sure.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: then we get Fisk going to

his office where the black market

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happens to be waiting for him,

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and Fisk gets got.

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Xhafer: Fisk gets got so quick.

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Laura: And at this point I thought

he was just getting like warned

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or kidnapped or something I did

not realize he was getting got.

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Got

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Xhafer: He is fully got

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Laura: the most, got maximum.

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Got.

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Xhafer: Max.

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Maximum.

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Got, uh, and this is what brings

us to theme, listener, uh, 49,597.

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Is our count,

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which is down one.

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And you might be thinking to

yourself, wait a tick, didn't

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someone explode themselves?

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Then we see like a couple

people get vented into space.

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You would be correct.

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We did see that.

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Uh, no one's quite sure what happened

here for it to only go down one.

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We know that Fisk is counted next episode

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despite his death happening

before the credits.

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I think what actually happened here,

and this is conjecture on my part,

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they forgot the couple of people

that died in the terrorist attack

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last episode and the one is Fisk

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Laura: That's what I thought.

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I forgot all about those people.

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I thought this one was Fisk.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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No, those people died in

that terrorist attack.

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And so there was like some

contention about this on the survivor

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count thing that I've been using

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and, and, they're like, well,

maybe they rescued one of them.

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Maybe a baby was born,

maybe two babies were born.

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We don't exactly know.

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We don't, they don't tell

us how many people died.

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Exactly.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: we think it's three from this

thing, but that might not be accurate.

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so it's just like, okay, cool.

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So we just don't know.

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And I think this is just a production flub

that fans tried too hard to make a thing.

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Not that sci-fi fans

know anything about that.

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Laura: never happens.

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Xhafer: Not once.

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Laura: Nope.

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Definitely not sci-fi creators

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either.

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Xhafer: um, excuse me.

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Uh, Ron, uh, we're at

Star Trek, Las Vegas.

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I have a question about Battlestar

Galactica In season two, episode

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14, the survivor count, it only

went down one, but we clearly saw

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three people get vented into space.

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Plus theoretically one was vaporized

by the bomb, they had strapped to them.

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I'm just wondering how we should

reconcile this difference.

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I'll take my answer at the bar.

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Laura: You can't do that to Ronnie d.

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He seems too nice.

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Xhafer: seems like a, he seems

like a genuinely nice dude.

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Laura: He seems like a chill guy.

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Xhafer: almost touched him in

the hallways on accident, I

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Laura: Yeah, me too.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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You, he almost ran, you

almost ran into him, right?

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Is he, is he wobbly or

We drunk at the con,

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Laura: Uh, I think I'm

just generally wobbly.

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Yeah.

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But I, I remember thinking,

wow, he's not very tall,

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: which is totally fine by me.

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Uh,

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but yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So when we come back from theme

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racetrack brings home a very haunted Lee.

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Xhafer: he's flashing back and she just

looks over at him a couple of times,

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just like, dude, you, you, you okay?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Lee's been a lot lately, I think.

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Um, and this haunted look is just all

we get this episode, he's just there.

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Xhafer: coddles got the body for

a Fisk for the autopsy, and he's

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just like, well, he was groot and

we see it and it is grotesque,

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: like props to props.

420

:

'cause this was fantastic.

421

:

I was legitimately like, ugh,

422

:

Laura: Oh yeah, I, uh, especially me

thinking that he just got, got to theme.

423

:

I did not realize he was a dead.

424

:

Uh, when we come back I was like, yeah,

425

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

426

:

Laura: uh, they've stuffed

some kind of weird coin, weird

427

:

corners, coin down his throat.

428

:

Xhafer: A, a cubit, I think they call it.

429

:

Laura: Yeah.

430

:

Xhafer: It's, it's, it's colonial money.

431

:

Laura: It's some kind of fun coin

'cause it's weird corners, coin Ty

432

:

is, he jumps right to, well we've

got another silent out there doing

433

:

this and Adama is not so sure.

434

:

He's thinking this could

be humans killing humans.

435

:

Xhafer: Also coddles just

smoking during the autopsy.

436

:

Laura: I love it.

437

:

I totally turned around on Duck Coddle

like the, the way he just announced,

438

:

like he was garroted, like he figured

that out with his like doctor brain

439

:

instead of his like two eyeballs

440

:

where he is like, why did you guys

bring me over here to tell you this?

441

:

'cause you know,

442

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

443

:

Now you know why I feel like Doc Coddle is

one of the best characters on this show.

444

:

Laura: pretty great.

445

:

This is pretty fun.

446

:

Xhafer: It's like, I know, like you

could ask him like, are you, why

447

:

are you smoking during the autopsy?

448

:

And it's like, well, the

patient isn't gonna care.

449

:

You know?

450

:

Like I can hear it in his voice.

451

:

It's a plus.

452

:

Laura: I can't remember if they

were at the crime scene or not.

453

:

I think, I think they were.

454

:

Xhafer: not yet because

455

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

456

:

So

457

:

they, they had removed Fisk's

458

:

body.

459

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

460

:

Laura: Okay.

461

:

Okay.

462

:

Xhafer: 'cause uh, the, the dad

rule has Lee with investigating fist

463

:

death and that's when he goes to

Pegasus to check out the crime scene.

464

:

Laura: oh, okay.

465

:

I thought maybe they'd brought Coddle over

to do the diagnosis before they moved him.

466

:

Xhafer: No, because, uh, they

meet in Adama's office is where

467

:

he tells Lee to go investigate.

468

:

So

469

:

Laura: okay.

470

:

okay.

471

:

Xhafer: gotta be on Galactica.

472

:

Laura: Lee is all uncertain about

like, do you trust me or something.

473

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

474

:

Laura: And finally he's like, okay, fine.

475

:

I'll go do this.

476

:

And he finds blood all

over this glass table.

477

:

Xhafer: yeah.

478

:

Laura: And cigar boxes full of jewelry.

479

:

Uh, while Gais is like hanging out

outside, demanding to be let in

480

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

481

:

Yeah.

482

:

He's going through this box.

483

:

He finds a bracelet with et engraved,

484

:

Laura: guys that went right over my head.

485

:

All I could think of was

the extra terrestrial.

486

:

I was not thinking about who on

this show would have the initials.

487

:

Et

488

:

Yeah.

489

:

Uh, Gais did not know anything about this.

490

:

He, when, uh, Lee opens the doors like,

oh, I didn't know you were invited to this

491

:

Xhafer: So surprise, uh, captain.

492

:

Laura: But then he sees all the

blood and does his traditional Gais.

493

:

Worming.

494

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

495

:

guys just inserts himself into

the plot here and immediately

496

:

tries to cover his own ass.

497

:

six PT shows up to be like, if Gina saw

you like this, she'd never fuck you.

498

:

Laura: Yeah.

499

:

Xhafer: Which rude, but also

makes me think if you had your

500

:

ex as an apparition in your head,

501

:

Laura: God.

502

:

Xhafer: and they were terrible, right?

503

:

And they would just wanted to show

up at the most inopportune times to

504

:

be all like, this is why your current

partner's never gonna fuck you.

505

:

Like.

506

:

Is while you're pooping.

507

:

Like, what, what's, what's the

moment in your everyday life that

508

:

they just never stop stopping?

509

:

Laura: Hmm.

510

:

That's a great question.

511

:

Xhafer: yeah.

512

:

Listener, get in the discord.

513

:

If your ex wasn't,

514

:

Laura: I hope none of us have an our

ex living in our head as an apparition.

515

:

I bet there's someone

you can see about that.

516

:

Well, this seems like a good argument

for, uh, six BT, not real, and

517

:

figment of gaia's brain problems.

518

:

Xhafer: yeah.

519

:

Very jealous here.

520

:

Laura: uns scannable brain problems

since we scanned him and he was fine.

521

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

522

:

Laura: So she also says that he should

be cautious because the goodwill he

523

:

got from saving Rosalyn as waning.

524

:

And I wonder why that is.

525

:

Gais.

526

:

Could it be because you're acting like

a giant asshole everywhere all the time?

527

:

Could it be that?

528

:

Xhafer: Maybe that's what's

causing this goodwill to unravel.

529

:

Solid theory.

530

:

Laura

531

:

Laura: Yeah, he's all like.

532

:

Am I being interrogated?

533

:

Uh,

534

:

Xhafer: I'm so innocent, bro.

535

:

Laura: so gross.

536

:

And he tries to play to Lee that he

was here to argue for Rosalyn's trade

537

:

deal because Fisk wasn't into it.

538

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

539

:

Laura: So I'm here on behalf of her.

540

:

Really?

541

:

It's about me.

542

:

Xhafer: yeah.

543

:

Laura: Yeah.

544

:

Xhafer: And then Lee gives him a bunch

of evidence and tells him to fuck off.

545

:

And Lee just takes, it is like

G Guys just takes the boxes of

546

:

cigars, Lee gives him, like thus

disapproving the point altogether.

547

:

But also like Lee, you just

handed over a ton of evidence.

548

:

Did you go to the Michael Garibaldi

homeschool security school Lee?

549

:

Like really?

550

:

Laura: He had to go to

homeschool security school.

551

:

Right.

552

:

Because he's been a pilot.

553

:

But all of a sudden we need security

guys because of the whole situation.

554

:

Xhafer: We can't have Starbuck do it.

555

:

She's already the sniper.

556

:

We need to lead a beat.

557

:

The detective

558

:

Laura: She's the sniper and

she's the pilot teacher.

559

:

Like that's a lot of

560

:

Xhafer: and the interrogator.

561

:

Laura: Yeah.

562

:

Sniper, pilot teacher and interrogator.

563

:

Crack.

564

:

Crack ass pilot too.

565

:

She's the crack

566

:

ass

567

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

568

:

Oh yeah.

569

:

for sure.

570

:

Laura: So she's overbooked.

571

:

Lee's gotta be the detective.

572

:

Sorry.

573

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

574

:

Lee reveals to the Admiral and Thai fist

black market, uh, aggressive maneuvering.

575

:

Laura: Yeah.

576

:

Xhafer: This is being the

most obvious path to his, uh.

577

:

Pursue in his investigation, and we flash

back to Lee and Sivan talking about Pya

578

:

needing some medicine cut with Lee, giving

Ty shit about his provisioning status as

579

:

he's got this bowl of fresh fruit somehow.

580

:

Laura: Yeah.

581

:

Xhafer: the fuck they grow in this?

582

:

There's like banana, there's no, there's

a, there was a pineapple in there.

583

:

Like there's like fruits

that would not grow together.

584

:

Laura: Yeah.

585

:

Yeah.

586

:

No, so this, throughout this whole

thing, Lee, is like flashing back

587

:

to Sivan and remembering that

her daughter needed the medicine.

588

:

And she tells him like, the whole reason

the sex work is happening is because.

589

:

Supplies aren't getting around

fast enough and people still

590

:

still need to feed their children.

591

:

Like, this is how I get the money to

buy the things on the black market

592

:

as I operate on the black market.

593

:

And when Lee catches Ty with his

fresh fruit, I mean, Ty's also

594

:

got a ton of booze 'cause he's

just sweating a load in his bunk.

595

:

and you know, when he's trading Ellen's

bracelet for the fresh fruit, do

596

:

you think it's just for fresh fruit?

597

:

Xhafer: Uh, I probably not.

598

:

Laura: Probably not.

599

:

Like, I don't think he's

drinking solely moonshine.

600

:

I think he's looking for other stuff.

601

:

but pretty much, uh, as Lee said

to Adama earlier, like, half the

602

:

fleet is doing this, more than half.

603

:

Is doing stuff on this black market.

604

:

So like,

605

:

like we can't

606

:

crack

607

:

down on

608

:

Xhafer: I mean, Lee is an

609

:

active participant.

610

:

Laura: Yeah.

611

:

And he's doing it too, like

probably the only one not

612

:

participating in this black market.

613

:

Adama.

614

:

Rosalyn,

615

:

Xhafer: Rosalyn.

616

:

I'm gonna guess just Rosalyn.

617

:

'cause even Adama's, like, you know,

like this stuff happens, it's gonna

618

:

be a thing, but the president wants

to get rid of it and I've kind of

619

:

set myself as her rider die, so.

620

:

Laura: yeah.

621

:

And I mean, how did he get

his candy dish if he wasn't

622

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

623

:

Those m and ms aren't free.

624

:

That's the real reason.

625

:

Maybe.

626

:

Maybe this is all a cover.

627

:

And Adamo was so pissed about Fisk

eating all of his black market m and ms.

628

:

He ordered the hit

629

:

Laura: I mean, we don't

know how much those cost.

630

:

Xhafer: Right.

631

:

He could be trading Pips for

those or something like he.

632

:

What, what would he have?

633

:

Even it's, it's questions

we need the answer to.

634

:

Laura: Did he trade one

of his little ships?

635

:

Xhafer: Maybe,

636

:

I mean, I don't know who would want those.

637

:

'cause they're really an

anarchistic at this point.

638

:

Uh,

639

:

Laura: Yeah.

640

:

The m and ms are probably the most

expensive too, because like, okay, we've

641

:

Xhafer: well, they melt in

your mouth, not in your hand.

642

:

So, I mean, that's, that's

storage, that's utility.

643

:

You can keep m and ms in your pocket,

and as long as you don't get too hot

644

:

and then snack your pocket, you're fine.

645

:

Laura: I was gonna say, I don't

know, I can't keep 'em in my pocket.

646

:

I'm too hot all the time,

647

:

but like we've got the pineapples

and we got the grapes and shit and

648

:

whatever, but do we have cocoa beans?

649

:

Xhafer: mm

650

:

Laura: Hmm.

651

:

Xhafer: mm.

652

:

Laura: Anyway.

653

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

654

:

So, uh,

655

:

Laura: Lee is haunted by paying Shavonne,

656

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

657

:

Laura: and for some reason goes boxing.

658

:

It's time to let off some steam.

659

:

And, hey, you remember how

Lee and D boxing was a thing,

660

:

Xhafer: yeah.

661

:

Dee's all like, what's going

on with this situation?

662

:

Ship Lee.

663

:

And he's all like, uh, uh, nothing.

664

:

Uh uh, Chevon's calling.

665

:

Bye.

666

:

Laura: don't understand

what's happening here.

667

:

'cause we've literally had

Lee and and DOA boxing once,

668

:

Xhafer: Yeah, there's been lots of

glancing, there's been lots of glares.

669

:

It's definitely meant to be something

you think could happen at this point,

670

:

Laura: Okay.

671

:

Xhafer: not if anything has happened

besides them hanging out outside of

672

:

work a little bit, that is not the case.

673

:

Laura: They did not ramp the sexual

tension high enough for me to register it.

674

:

Like,

675

:

Xhafer: Just you wait.

676

:

Laura: yeah.

677

:

yeah.

678

:

he gets this call from Sivan and for

679

:

some reason

680

:

doesn't occur to him that

like she could be in on it.

681

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

682

:

Yeah.

683

:

Uh, she's been, uh, roughed up by some

goon looking to get information about

684

:

Lee as the presumably aforementioned

Goon was waiting and he busts.

685

:

And he tries to get Lee and he does.

686

:

Laura: Yeah, this is very

687

:

scary

688

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

689

:

Like another dude pops out real quick,

starts, gets the groat in, the boss walks

690

:

in, tells him to say hi to dad and to

tell him to tell dad to knock it off.

691

:

And this is where, uh, as he's like

dealing with being carotid and his

692

:

like life is flashing before his eyes.

693

:

This is where

694

:

we get

695

:

Laura: Yeah.

696

:

Xhafer: super disjointed backstory on

his ex-girlfriend before the attacks.

697

:

And she's like holding

her belly real tight.

698

:

Like, I think we're supposed

to think she's pregnant.

699

:

Laura: Oh, I didn't even get that.

700

:

Xhafer: She's like doing

the like classic like thing.

701

:

Laura: Oh,

702

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

703

:

Like the classic.

704

:

I'm pregnant holding the belly thing.

705

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

706

:

I guess,

707

:

Xhafer: yeah, it's real unclear.

708

:

Laura: yeah, I thought at the end of

the episode that 'cause Shavon like

709

:

gives him his business at the end.

710

:

Right.

711

:

We'll get there, but I thought that it,

it was like she wanted to get married

712

:

and have a baby, and he was like, nah,

I'm not ready for that, and was out.

713

:

But is is it that she was actually

having the baby and he was like,

714

:

no, I'm not ready for that.

715

:

Xhafer: Maybe, I

716

:

don't know.

717

:

Uh, I don't know when this happens.

718

:

Laura: Yeah.

719

:

Xhafer: Is this years ago?

720

:

Is this two days before the attack?

721

:

Laura: Uh huh.

722

:

Unclear.

723

:

Right?

724

:

Xhafer: it

725

:

Laura: Because he does like, remember

caprica exploding, like that's

726

:

Xhafer: It.

727

:

Oh, you know, it was right before the

attack because one of his, one of like

728

:

the few lines of dialogue we get in these

flashbacks is him telling her that he

729

:

had to go to Galactica for the ceremony.

730

:

That's a thing that's said, so

this is right before the attacks

731

:

Laura: Oh,

732

:

Xhafer: thinking about it

733

:

Laura: I did not catch that.

734

:

I'm glad you're here to like

demystify this episode for me

735

:

because there's clearly a not a lot I got.

736

:

Xhafer: Do you wanna

know the secret, Laura?

737

:

All you have to do is not have

to avoid spoilers and go on the

738

:

Battlestar Wiki after you watch

this and go, what the fuck was that?

739

:

Laura: Yeah, exactly.

740

:

Not an option that's open to me.

741

:

So you've got to

742

:

Xhafer: I'm, I'm here, I'm here for you.

743

:

This is, this is, this is the, the, the

service I provide in our friendship.

744

:

Laura: Yeah.

745

:

Yeah.

746

:

Uh, so Lee wakes up, they knocked

him out to commercial, right.

747

:

And he told Siobhan some stuff about her,

it seems like, about the mystery woman.

748

:

And he comes to calls for

security and a med team.

749

:

And then like, as he's on the phone

calling the, the security med team

750

:

in, like, in the background of the

shot, we can see one of the goons

751

:

is dead on the floor with just

like a bullet in his forehead.

752

:

Xhafer: Right.

753

:

Yeah.

754

:

It's like you're

755

:

Laura: And it's like, wow, we were, we

were out and we did not know about that.

756

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

757

:

Yeah.

758

:

That escalated quickly.

759

:

Laura: Yeah.

760

:

So we're gonna go to a really

chilly meeting between Gais and

761

:

Rosalyn, and I wonder what this

asshole's been doing for weeks.

762

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

763

:

She's just like, Hey, you clearly

don't want to be vice president, right?

764

:

Like, this is your out, like, take it.

765

:

You clearly weren't ready for it

when I was, it was about to be

766

:

foist upon you when I was gonna die.

767

:

That's kind of your whole

job as vice president.

768

:

So, uh, maybe, maybe it's time

769

:

Laura: Yeah, he must have

been a little bitch for weeks.

770

:

Xhafer: yeah.

771

:

And he's just all like, uh,

fucking six PTs in the background.

772

:

Like, oh, you've got her on the ropes.

773

:

She's trying to get rid of you.

774

:

She's trying to maneuver you away now.

775

:

Laura: And she asks him about Fisk.

776

:

She's like, Hey, I know you

were gonna go meet with him.

777

:

What was that all about?

778

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

779

:

What's up?

780

:

Laura: He gives her the whole business.

781

:

He gave Lee about, well, he didn't

like your idea, so I was gonna tell

782

:

him that he should like your idea.

783

:

It was a good

784

:

idea.

785

:

Xhafer: Or else?

786

:

Laura: And uh, she gives

him one more chance.

787

:

She says, this is it.

788

:

You can resign now.

789

:

And he just has this like,

pathologically demand avoidant.

790

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

791

:

Laura: Oh yeah, well fuck you.

792

:

I'm not gonna do that.

793

:

Response, uh, once in a lifetime.

794

:

One, one time offer.

795

:

And he's completely rejecting that.

796

:

Xhafer: Yep.

797

:

Laura: Do you think only one

of the goons has a garage?

798

:

Or Garrett?

799

:

I don't know how you say that.

800

:

Xhafer: Yeah, uh, probably, I

would assume that that's the case.

801

:

It seems to be the one guy who's, he's

like, got it built into his watch.

802

:

He kinda looks like the, the

Irish assassin from Austin Powers

803

:

to me.

804

:

And that's also the same thing he

fought with and he also wore that

805

:

like leather jacket and stuff.

806

:

So that's all I could think

of whenever I saw him.

807

:

And so I just, I've conflated

those two characters in my head

808

:

and I just assume it's the same

809

:

Laura: it's the same guy.

810

:

Yeah.

811

:

Yeah.

812

:

No, I was just laughing at the

security team when they, he looks at

813

:

the body and he is like, well, this

seems to be the one who killed Fisk.

814

:

And I was like.

815

:

Because no one else has the little

secret weapon in, in the watch.

816

:

Like you don't think he, the,

the black market has their whole

817

:

team outfitted with these, like,

818

:

Xhafer: Right.

819

:

You never know when you

need to gr somebody.

820

:

Laura: yeah.

821

:

And you could just like take that off

of a, uh, off of your wrist and put it

822

:

on some random dude's wrist, like, okay.

823

:

Xhafer: Evidence.

824

:

That's how that works.

825

:

Laura: He also went to the

homeschool security school.

826

:

Xhafer: for sure.

827

:

Uh oh.

828

:

When all this is going

on, guess who shows up?

829

:

, Zurich walks in.

830

:

Laura: He's just on cloud nine

for, you know, some business stuff

831

:

and he saw this door was open and

that the security team was here

832

:

and they said, Hey, come on in, Mr.

833

:

Zarik.

834

:

Xhafer: Yeah, we know you

a quorum member Tom Zurich.

835

:

Laura: yeah, this seems fine.

836

:

but Lee, Lee is very suspicious

of this timing as you should be.

837

:

but Zurich tells him, no, I'm

not involved with all that.

838

:

And I said, no.

839

:

They asked me to be involved with that.

840

:

They asked me like a bunch of times,

but I worry about all my people on the

841

:

Astral Queen who were criminals and I

don't want them to be under any extra

842

:

suspicion when we're barely legitimate.

843

:

And so I wasn't having none of that.

844

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

845

:

he throws some shade at

Star Trek on here to boot.

846

:

,

Zurich notes that Fisk Murderer was left as an out.

847

:

And Lee knows Zurich knows more, and he

tells Lee about the Prometheus, the ship,

848

:

uh, that has the answers to his questions.

849

:

Uh, like, why would you call it

Alien Prometheus instead of trying

850

:

to do your own thing when it's

clearly an alien movie, but you

851

:

also wanted to do your own thing.

852

:

Why not just do your own thing?

853

:

Why would you do this weird

middle ground that only hurts you?

854

:

I don't understand readily,

Scott, those types of questions.

855

:

That's what you'll find the

answers to on the Prometheus.

856

:

Laura: Yeah.

857

:

Yeah.

858

:

He knows this much I think because he

says, you know, Fisk tried to recruit me

859

:

into this black market several times and

they started starving me when I said no.

860

:

So he at least got the, the guy's name,

Phelan and where he's at, the Prometheus.

861

:

and then he says that he hopes

that this girl is worth it.

862

:

I don't remember if he says

Sivan, if he drops her name.

863

:

Xhafer: I don't remember either.

864

:

Laura: Yeah.

865

:

Xhafer: implication is clear.

866

:

Laura: Yeah.

867

:

He, he knows about what this

district of cloud nine is for.

868

:

Xhafer: yeah.

869

:

Yeah, he is like, really?

870

:

There's literally a red light on the

porch outside of this hotel room.

871

:

Lee, come on.

872

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah,

873

:

Xhafer: I know where we are.

874

:

Lee goes to the market ship

and he sees all types trading.

875

:

We see a couple people in uniforms

in here, kind of poignantly.

876

:

To let us know as he works his way to the

back room, he finds a cage full of kids.

877

:

Laura: And if you're thinking, God,

I hope that's not what I think it is.

878

:

Xhafer: It's

879

:

Laura: Yeah.

880

:

I'm sorry.

881

:

Xhafer: like, ugh.

882

:

We'll talk about it in a minute.

883

:

Uh, Lee finds Phalon, the one

Zerick described, and then we've

884

:

seen previously as the leader of

the illicit, uh, market activities.

885

:

He explains how they fill a, vacancy, a

vacuum, the need for a secondary market.

886

:

It's a pressure valve, uh, for people

to be able to get like drugs in stiff.

887

:

Um, but then he also alludes to child

trafficking and how, uh, there's no moral

888

:

high ground when everyone in the mud.

889

:

And it's, I'm just, this is,

this is such a leap for me

890

:

that I can't take it seriously.

891

:

Like obviously, obviously child

trafficking is a very serious

892

:

issue, take that seriously.

893

:

But in this episode, for it to be all

like there's a black market and you

894

:

can get antibiotics that the government

might not be the best at distributing

895

:

or controlling the flow of, and there's

these things and people are hurting,

896

:

and this is a way for people to get

the things that they need, right?

897

:

It's presented in the typical

Battlestar Galactica, morally gray.

898

:

We're playing with the space of what

civilization and humanity is like

899

:

right now in this incredible context

of the flotilla and the genocide,

900

:

right?

901

:

Like things are murky and people

have to make difficult decisions

902

:

and do things that would be.

903

:

Easy to have a moral stance on normally,

but it is difficult to have a moral

904

:

stance on now because of the situation.

905

:

That's the lens.

906

:

That's our sci-fi, that's how we're doing

our OG Star Trek, how we're doing it all.

907

:

And then they throw this at us

908

:

Laura: Yep.

909

:

Xhafer: this takes it from that

morally gray to fuck this guy.

910

:

Instantly there is a hundred percent

aligned between running an illicit market

911

:

that maybe sells some recreational drugs.

912

:

Even some stuff that some, you

know, like, I'm sure there's people

913

:

that are interested in defending

themselves that aren't, don't have

914

:

access to firearms that probably

acquire them to this I illicit market.

915

:

There's a line.

916

:

I would say all of that stuff is on one

side of the line and then on the other

917

:

side of that line is child trafficking.

918

:

Laura: Right.

919

:

Uh, even like.

920

:

The sex work is at least theoretically

between consenting adults.

921

:

It's hard to, there's like a, there's a

gray area there where it's like, are you

922

:

really able to consent if like your child

eating depends on you doing this kind

923

:

of work and you have no other options?

924

:

Like, can you consent now without power?

925

:

There's, there's that like gray

area that you could go into a

926

:

little

927

:

bit, but we went

928

:

Xhafer: aren't, why, why

is it your kid getting fed?

929

:

Everyone's getting rations.

930

:

Like, like what is this

situation that exists?

931

:

Like it's such a failing of the government

932

:

at this point of the, of the remaining

government of the colonies to let this kid

933

:

be hungry to not get this kid antibiotics.

934

:

That for this to be the last resort

is just so fucking depressing.

935

:

Uh, but also like, it's definitely a lot

more morally sound, assuming everyone

936

:

is consenting because trafficking is

the line we're talking about here.

937

:

Um.

938

:

Oh, it's just like it's, I

mean, Lee shoots this guy in

939

:

like five seconds and yeah.

940

:

Good for Lee.

941

:

I mean, bad for Lee for firing

a firearm in a spaceship.

942

:

That's always a bad idea.

943

:

We've had this conversation,

uh, but you know, fuck this guy.

944

:

Laura: Yeah, no, uh, we could have

held this around longer and played

945

:

in the space, and maybe we are

coming back to the black market to

946

:

do some of these things without this.

947

:

Dude, I'm seeing, uh, some shaking.

948

:

Xhafer: No.

949

:

Nah.

950

:

There'll be a little bit of

stuff, but nothing like this.

951

:

Laura: well, and I thought, you

know, okay, so one of the things

952

:

Falon says in all of this, arguing

and, and, you know, I, I am a God

953

:

because I'm running this thing.

954

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

955

:

Laura: He tells him that like,

Chevon fed you everything.

956

:

Like it was her job.

957

:

she works for me.

958

:

And he's like, I'm this giant mastermind,

but I am clearly like over a line.

959

:

I am evil.

960

:

And I think Lee even says at some

point, like he went over the line,

961

:

like we needed to have some

basic morality in this market

962

:

and he ain't got it.

963

:

so when he shoots him and then

later we see Zurich walking through

964

:

the black market, I was like, oh,

I think Lee puts Zurich in charge.

965

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

966

:

Laura: Is that.

967

:

Xhafer: No, no.

968

:

That's the vibe.

969

:

Yeah, a hundred percent.

970

:

Uh, he understands that I think that this

is something that's gonna happen, and

971

:

he's gone on record of saying that Zurich

is a man of principle a number of times.

972

:

Laura: Well, and he even showed it in

their conversation where he was like,

973

:

I can't put the astral queen in this

position because these men, I think

974

:

it's all men on the Astral Queen.

975

:

Right.

976

:

Uh, depend on me to keep them above

board enough that they don't get

977

:

more sentences or they don't get,

you know, mistreated because people

978

:

assume that they're the bad guys.

979

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

980

:

Also, like if there's illicit drugs

around, criminals typically have a

981

:

higher rate of having drug problems.

982

:

He might be actually protecting

people from relapsing,

983

:

like there's a whole other side to it too.

984

:

That's just like, it's not just protecting

them from their reputation or people's

985

:

image of them, but they, he might

be protecting them from themselves.

986

:

Laura: Yeah.

987

:

Like you've worked this hard to

get clean and we're, we're doing

988

:

real work here and it's really

989

:

important.

990

:

We can't fall down the, the despair

hole and do recreational drugs.

991

:

That's not an option for us.

992

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

993

:

Laura: Yeah, I could see that.

994

:

but there's a whole bunch of

drama before we shoot Phalon, but

995

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

996

:

Oh, I already sold the kid.

997

:

All this stuff, whatever.

998

:

Laura: Uh, yeah.

999

:

Good thing you got shot and those

kids are getting outta that cage.

:

00:48:14,103 --> 00:48:14,493

Yeah.

:

00:48:15,488 --> 00:48:18,098

Lee goes back and reports

to Adama and Rosalyn.

:

00:48:18,263 --> 00:48:18,683

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:19,118 --> 00:48:20,618

Laura: He's got the dead guy.

:

00:48:21,074 --> 00:48:21,554

Xhafer: Oh, oh.

:

00:48:21,554 --> 00:48:24,194

We hold up, we gotta talk

about something real quick

:

00:48:24,194 --> 00:48:27,584

before all this, which is,

there's a flashback scene with

:

00:48:27,584 --> 00:48:30,764

Lee in, uh, polo in golf shorts.

:

00:48:32,174 --> 00:48:34,754

Laura: No, that's what this

whole, this whole time he's

:

00:48:34,754 --> 00:48:36,494

been flashing back to this girl.

:

00:48:36,494 --> 00:48:39,104

He's been in this polo in

golf shorts, apparently.

:

00:48:39,524 --> 00:48:39,884

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:39,884 --> 00:48:41,834

And we finally get a good shot at it.

:

00:48:41,834 --> 00:48:45,224

And it's just like, man, all

we need is the popped collar.

:

00:48:46,334 --> 00:48:51,404

Laura: I mean, like is

that, is that your Sure.

:

00:48:51,404 --> 00:48:54,824

Leave closely that,

:

00:48:55,574 --> 00:48:57,584

Xhafer: That that's what you're rocking.

:

00:48:57,944 --> 00:48:58,334

That

:

00:48:59,894 --> 00:49:00,554

Laura: Okay.

:

00:49:01,184 --> 00:49:02,534

And she told you she's pregnant

:

00:49:05,834 --> 00:49:10,574

and she, she likes that

look, I guess, I don't know.

:

00:49:11,954 --> 00:49:13,574

Xhafer: it was the mid two thousands.

:

00:49:13,574 --> 00:49:17,864

Lori, we both lived

through this as, as adults,

:

00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,894

Like we were, we remember

what that was like.

:

00:49:23,484 --> 00:49:26,844

Laura: I, I think it's just the

shorts that's really, maybe,

:

00:49:26,844 --> 00:49:28,374

maybe it's both really jarring.

:

00:49:28,854 --> 00:49:32,124

'cause you know, we haven't

really seen Lee in anything but

:

00:49:32,124 --> 00:49:35,514

like fatigues or a dress uniform.

:

00:49:35,574 --> 00:49:39,174

Maybe we've seen him in like

his boxers ones or twice.

:

00:49:39,744 --> 00:49:42,624

But not like shorts.

:

00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:46,539

Xhafer: you have to have

nice calves to wear shorts.

:

00:49:46,629 --> 00:49:50,079

And I'm not saying he doesn't

have nice calves, but I am saying,

:

00:49:50,469 --> 00:49:52,419

uh, he is not a shorts man.

:

00:49:53,544 --> 00:49:54,264

Laura: Yeah, no.

:

00:49:54,264 --> 00:49:58,254

The Lee we know he should

be in like his battle stuff.

:

00:49:58,779 --> 00:49:59,169

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:59,769 --> 00:50:02,079

Two tank tops, how we like it.

:

00:50:02,364 --> 00:50:03,834

Laura: two tank tops.

:

00:50:05,874 --> 00:50:07,794

No, I really want these two tank tops.

:

00:50:07,794 --> 00:50:11,004

If anybody knows where to get these

two tank tops, like holler at me.

:

00:50:13,539 --> 00:50:15,759

I think I would look great

in these two tank tops.

:

00:50:17,904 --> 00:50:21,699

Xhafer: Beth has a pair of shirts

that are remarkably close that

:

00:50:21,699 --> 00:50:23,619

she's, she's worn a couple of times.

:

00:50:24,189 --> 00:50:24,729

Laura: Yes.

:

00:50:25,616 --> 00:50:26,006

oh.

:

00:50:26,006 --> 00:50:26,306

Yeah.

:

00:50:26,306 --> 00:50:30,056

And Shavon does like, take him

down a notch too in all of this

:

00:50:30,056 --> 00:50:32,966

where he's like, Hey, come with me.

:

00:50:32,966 --> 00:50:38,726

And she's like, no, you're just

some guy and I'm never gonna be her.

:

00:50:39,446 --> 00:50:41,606

I, you can't replace her with me.

:

00:50:42,266 --> 00:50:45,926

And my little girl is never gonna be

that baby that you thought you were

:

00:50:45,926 --> 00:50:50,805

having or wanted or she wanted like, no.

:

00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:51,755

Xhafer: yeah,

:

00:50:53,385 --> 00:51:01,583

Laura: And uh, he has to realize that

maybe the sex work has some blurry lines

:

00:51:01,583 --> 00:51:05,003

in it that he was not fully understanding.

:

00:51:05,705 --> 00:51:06,875

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:51:09,512 --> 00:51:09,782

Laura: Okay.

:

00:51:09,782 --> 00:51:11,102

Can we go talk to Rosalyn now?

:

00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:12,152

Can we go tell Mommy?

:

00:51:12,767 --> 00:51:13,097

Xhafer: Let's go.

:

00:51:13,097 --> 00:51:14,717

Tell mommy, mommy, and daddy.

:

00:51:15,362 --> 00:51:15,812

Laura: Yes.

:

00:51:15,812 --> 00:51:19,922

So Lee goes to tell mommy and

daddy what happened to Uncle Fisk.

:

00:51:21,992 --> 00:51:22,622

Is he an uncle?

:

00:51:22,622 --> 00:51:23,522

Is that what we feel

:

00:51:24,279 --> 00:51:26,379

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

:

00:51:26,739 --> 00:51:28,809

Laura: he's too old to

be a cousin is my logic.

:

00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:39,309

Okay, so we go tell mommy and daddy what

happened to Uncle Fisk and she asks about

:

00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:42,069

the Prometheus and is like, well, what

the hell are you gonna do about this?

:

00:51:42,129 --> 00:51:44,379

Like to TF Mates.

:

00:51:44,589 --> 00:51:46,929

The other WTF mates I

have about the Prometheus

:

00:51:48,074 --> 00:51:48,494

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:49,149 --> 00:51:53,949

Laura: like at one point they say it's

like cut off from the rest of the fleet

:

00:51:53,949 --> 00:51:55,989

or like totally underground or something.

:

00:51:55,989 --> 00:51:56,919

And it's like how?

:

00:51:56,979 --> 00:51:57,039

How

:

00:51:58,779 --> 00:52:03,939

like somebody at least has to have

visual on the ship or somebody's

:

00:52:03,969 --> 00:52:07,509

g somebody's giving the ship the

codes every time we jump, right?

:

00:52:09,069 --> 00:52:12,189

Xhafer: It's just like

hanging out like, Hey guys.

:

00:52:13,629 --> 00:52:14,049

Laura: Oh shit.

:

00:52:14,049 --> 00:52:15,279

They're jumping, they're jumping.

:

00:52:16,629 --> 00:52:17,439

Go, go, go.

:

00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:18,699

Xhafer: Don't leave without me.

:

00:52:18,699 --> 00:52:19,419

Again.

:

00:52:20,709 --> 00:52:22,269

We're just back here.

:

00:52:23,529 --> 00:52:25,149

Don't forget about us.

:

00:52:27,009 --> 00:52:28,029

Laura: Except do.

:

00:52:28,389 --> 00:52:29,559

'cause you're not

:

00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:30,759

supposed to know.

:

00:52:32,889 --> 00:52:33,099

Yeah.

:

00:52:33,099 --> 00:52:33,759

Anyway.

:

00:52:34,479 --> 00:52:37,809

Uh, Lee's like, Hey, we're

gonna watch it real close.

:

00:52:38,251 --> 00:52:41,281

but we we're not gonna

shut it down for now.

:

00:52:41,281 --> 00:52:43,231

And Rosalyn is big mad,

:

00:52:43,771 --> 00:52:44,131

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:44,311 --> 00:52:45,541

Not happy with this.

:

00:52:46,201 --> 00:52:49,321

Laura: And by watch it real

close, we mean we're gonna put

:

00:52:49,321 --> 00:52:50,806

Tom's Eric in charge of watching.

:

00:52:50,806 --> 00:52:51,061

It

:

00:52:51,241 --> 00:52:51,571

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:52:52,471 --> 00:52:56,941

Well, Lee's in charge of watching it, but

Tom Za is in charge of running it, but

:

00:52:57,481 --> 00:52:57,781

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:57,871 --> 00:52:58,711

Xhafer: tell Rosalyn that,

:

00:52:59,311 --> 00:52:59,581

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:53:00,631 --> 00:53:04,561

But I mean, it kind of seems like a

thing that he was getting at at the

:

00:53:04,561 --> 00:53:08,881

beginning of all this anyway, of like,

people need stuff to do and they need

:

00:53:08,881 --> 00:53:14,971

like And so commerce is important.

:

00:53:15,421 --> 00:53:15,901

Like,

:

00:53:16,566 --> 00:53:16,846

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:17,371 --> 00:53:21,991

Laura: okay, maybe he can turn it

legit, except it sounds like we're

:

00:53:21,991 --> 00:53:23,341

never gonna talk about this again.

:

00:53:25,615 --> 00:53:25,915

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:53:26,095 --> 00:53:31,015

Uh, we go back to Galactica, where

Lee watches Dee and Billy work out.

:

00:53:32,544 --> 00:53:33,204

fucked up

:

00:53:37,389 --> 00:53:43,331

Laura: Well, Billy's just, so, Billy's

just like a cute little doofus and it

:

00:53:43,331 --> 00:53:46,301

is cute to watch him like Coach du.

:

00:53:47,426 --> 00:53:47,606

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:50,410

Laura: but he's probably

not boxing with her.

:

00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:50,800

Right?

:

00:53:51,505 --> 00:53:51,895

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:54,370

Laura: He's, he'd get himself hurt.

:

00:53:55,405 --> 00:53:56,005

Xhafer: for sure.

:

00:53:56,695 --> 00:53:58,615

We saw how he handled that

gun, that one episode.

:

00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,650

Laura: Oh my God.

:

00:53:59,650 --> 00:54:00,010

Right.

:

00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:06,280

Well, see, this is why I didn't really

take the Lee do Alla stuff seriously

:

00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,680

at all, is because like they've been

really cute together, Dawaa and Billy.

:

00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:12,510

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,800

Laura: I mean, even when that very

tense episode when he shot the gun,

:

00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,250

when he shouldn't have, she was still

pretty cute at taking care of him.

:

00:54:21,985 --> 00:54:22,205

Huh?

:

00:54:22,816 --> 00:54:23,296

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:54:24,130 --> 00:54:26,800

And, uh, bill and Lee have

a drink to end credits.

:

00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,825

That's the episode.

:

00:54:30,295 --> 00:54:35,215

Laura: I mean, Adama asked him about the

Blackbird finally, like, what happened?

:

00:54:35,735 --> 00:54:36,195

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

:

00:54:36,685 --> 00:54:37,705

Laura: And, uh.

:

00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:42,895

He very astutely says, you should

have told me about the woman.

:

00:54:43,495 --> 00:54:45,595

Which woman did he mean?

:

00:54:46,005 --> 00:54:46,825

Xhafer: Oh, Shavonne.

:

00:54:47,515 --> 00:54:48,205

Laura: Okay.

:

00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:54,055

I, I assumed Shavonne at first because

like, do they not have somebody

:

00:54:54,055 --> 00:54:59,613

on Galactica that's like, Hey,

relationships can get you compromised.

:

00:55:00,453 --> 00:55:03,213

So like be careful about that.

:

00:55:03,453 --> 00:55:03,783

Xhafer: You mean?

:

00:55:03,783 --> 00:55:05,193

You mean human resources?

:

00:55:05,913 --> 00:55:09,693

No, we've established well that

they don't have human resources

:

00:55:09,753 --> 00:55:13,743

Laura: Well, I feel like it's not

just human resources though, right?

:

00:55:13,743 --> 00:55:17,403

There should be a security person who

reminds people on occasion that like,

:

00:55:17,403 --> 00:55:24,603

Hey, we have things that people might

want, like codes and accesses and.

:

00:55:24,663 --> 00:55:27,363

Xhafer: You know who this person

was, the person you're talking about.

:

00:55:28,113 --> 00:55:31,713

They're the one that ran that

independent tribunal back in season

:

00:55:31,713 --> 00:55:34,173

one that adama shut the fuck down.

:

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They're sitting at a desk twiddling

their fun, watching Lee fail.

:

00:55:39,843 --> 00:55:40,953

That's what she's doing right now.

:

00:55:40,953 --> 00:55:42,363

That's her revenge.

:

00:55:43,023 --> 00:55:44,973

Laura: yeah, I guess so.

:

00:55:45,663 --> 00:55:48,753

I was just like, yeah, you should

have told him about the woman.

:

00:55:48,753 --> 00:55:54,273

But then as I was saying it, I was

like, oh wait, did he also tell

:

00:55:54,273 --> 00:55:56,433

his dad about the woman on Caprica?

:

00:55:57,183 --> 00:55:57,483

I don't

:

00:55:57,483 --> 00:55:58,083

know.

:

00:55:58,893 --> 00:55:59,313

no,

:

00:55:59,313 --> 00:56:01,353

Dad, daddy Adama doesn't know about that.

:

00:56:02,013 --> 00:56:02,943

Xhafer: no, no.

:

00:56:02,943 --> 00:56:04,383

Lee's terrible at that shit.

:

00:56:06,103 --> 00:56:06,673

Laura: And that's it.

:

00:56:06,673 --> 00:56:07,513

That's an episode.

:

00:56:08,233 --> 00:56:09,223

Xhafer: That's an episode.

:

00:56:10,018 --> 00:56:10,708

We did it.

:

00:56:11,454 --> 00:56:12,054

Laura: it was fine.

:

00:56:12,054 --> 00:56:13,194

I guess,

:

00:56:13,689 --> 00:56:18,924

Xhafer: Uh, I mean it's, uh, we

made some jokes at its expense.

:

00:56:19,434 --> 00:56:23,775

Laura: you know, I do think that

there's a lot of stuff that could

:

00:56:23,775 --> 00:56:27,345

have gone deeper or further.

:

00:56:28,155 --> 00:56:33,075

Or could come up again in the

idea of the black market that

:

00:56:33,375 --> 00:56:37,402

it doesn't feel like we're gonna

get satisfying experience with.

:

00:56:37,882 --> 00:56:42,637

But this is still more thought

on this kind of content than

:

00:56:42,637 --> 00:56:44,827

Star Trek could possibly give

:

00:56:45,727 --> 00:56:46,477

This topic

:

00:56:47,323 --> 00:56:50,688

a, A Star Trek would be so neatly

wrapped up in a bottle episode

:

00:56:51,558 --> 00:56:51,858

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:56:52,398 --> 00:56:58,518

Laura: and this at least leaves you

still uncomfortable in thinking about it.

:

00:56:59,431 --> 00:56:59,731

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:57:00,031 --> 00:57:04,626

It's, uh, it tried to say

something and it almost got there.

:

00:57:05,406 --> 00:57:06,366

Laura: We were close.

:

00:57:06,786 --> 00:57:09,756

If only we could have tweaked

some things here and there maybe.

:

00:57:10,356 --> 00:57:10,656

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:57:11,252 --> 00:57:14,912

With all that said, time to

give this episode a rating on

:

00:57:14,912 --> 00:57:16,202

a scale of one to 12 colonies.

:

00:57:16,202 --> 00:57:17,792

Laura, how do you rate this episode?

:

00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:22,620

Laura: I was gonna say a seven, which

I think is very funny now that I'm

:

00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:26,250

doing the math in my head, because

we have one to 12 colonies, right?

:

00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,240

And our old scale was one to five,

:

00:57:31,241 --> 00:57:34,841

So that would be like, it would

be like a one, wouldn't it?

:

00:57:34,901 --> 00:57:35,711

On the old scale?

:

00:57:39,131 --> 00:57:39,521

Hmm.

:

00:57:39,911 --> 00:57:40,391

Yeah.

:

00:57:41,081 --> 00:57:42,671

I, I'll stick with seven, I suppose.

:

00:57:42,671 --> 00:57:44,291

Like why change my reading?

:

00:57:44,726 --> 00:57:45,416

Xhafer: Wow.

:

00:57:45,626 --> 00:57:46,856

Four for me.

:

00:57:47,106 --> 00:57:47,396

Laura: Okay.

:

00:57:48,446 --> 00:57:51,386

Xhafer: I will not watch

this episode again.

:

00:57:51,836 --> 00:57:58,166

Probably like here's, here's what

happens in like 10 years when I'm

:

00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:00,081

rewatching Battlestar Galactica again.

:

00:58:01,331 --> 00:58:05,051

I'm gonna be going through, I'm

gonna get into this episode.

:

00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:08,531

I'm gonna get to Lee and Sivan

and go, oh, I remember this one.

:

00:58:08,621 --> 00:58:09,191

Skip.

:

00:58:11,636 --> 00:58:14,906

Laura: Then you're gonna come

listen to this episode because

:

00:58:14,951 --> 00:58:15,311

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:58:15,461 --> 00:58:19,991

Well, I'll waxing nostalgic for

our conversation from a decade ago.

:

00:58:20,021 --> 00:58:20,371

Laura: Uhhuh.

:

00:58:20,546 --> 00:58:20,906

Yeah,

:

00:58:22,601 --> 00:58:24,911

Xhafer: That might be enough time

for me to go back and listen.

:

00:58:26,936 --> 00:58:27,296

Laura: yeah.

:

00:58:27,296 --> 00:58:28,046

There you go.

:

00:58:28,901 --> 00:58:31,091

Xhafer: Finally give the

podcast a run through.

:

00:58:32,276 --> 00:58:33,511

Laura: Yeah, I just, I don't know.

:

00:58:33,596 --> 00:58:38,306

This one was not great, so I

was picking up on the vibes, but

:

00:58:38,711 --> 00:58:39,041

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:58:39,525 --> 00:58:40,095

All right.

:

00:58:40,155 --> 00:58:43,750

Well, next week I think

we got a better episode.

:

00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:47,470

I haven't watched it yet, but I, it's

definitely a better episode in my memory.

:

00:58:47,470 --> 00:58:49,330

I remember, I remember

this episode fondly.

:

00:58:49,330 --> 00:58:52,450

We got season two, episode 15, scar.

:

00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:57,640

I didn't even write down the episode title

is how memorable this episode was for me.

:

00:58:58,045 --> 00:58:59,455

Laura: Yeah, I could see that.

:

00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:03,554

Xhafer: A crazed Silent Raider

attacks the Colonial fleet in a

:

00:59:03,554 --> 00:59:04,994

series of hit and run attacks.

:

00:59:05,294 --> 00:59:09,822

Overworked pilots, must defend a mining

operation from this Raider that they have.

:

00:59:09,822 --> 00:59:10,962

Nicknamed Scar.

:

00:59:11,772 --> 00:59:15,582

Also, Victor, from last time

on into meeting, meeting media,

:

00:59:15,582 --> 00:59:16,842

television will be joining us.

:

00:59:17,172 --> 00:59:18,102

That's fun.

:

00:59:18,612 --> 00:59:19,992

Always fun to have Vic on.

:

00:59:20,052 --> 00:59:23,412

He called this episode forever ago.

:

00:59:23,937 --> 00:59:24,837

Laura: I believe it.

:

00:59:24,837 --> 00:59:25,347

Yeah.

:

00:59:25,437 --> 00:59:28,617

As we were watching it, I was

like, ah, yes, I, I understand.

:

00:59:28,887 --> 00:59:31,107

I know why Victor wants

to be here with us.

:

00:59:33,052 --> 00:59:38,302

Xhafer: so speaking of Victor and to

Media, media, television listeners today,

:

00:59:38,602 --> 00:59:41,692

the day of this airing is July 23rd.

:

00:59:42,532 --> 00:59:47,902

Tomorrow is July 24th, and when

registration closes for Dominion

:

00:59:47,902 --> 00:59:51,862

Media, televisions and we'll

Hoppa Hearn Podcasting Networks.

:

00:59:52,072 --> 00:59:57,532

Fun little project, uh, that we did,

which is, uh, star Trek Away team.

:

00:59:57,532 --> 01:00:00,772

If you don't follow DMT on

Facebook, this is something that

:

01:00:00,772 --> 01:00:02,212

Vic has been doing for years.

:

01:00:02,782 --> 01:00:03,622

This year.

:

01:00:03,682 --> 01:00:08,482

I used the power of spreadsheets

and it to automate this pitch forum.

:

01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:15,562

So, uh, you, I am the proud owner

of Star Trek fantasy league.com.

:

01:00:15,977 --> 01:00:19,317

Laura: Oh my God, I'm,

I'm a little shocked.

:

01:00:19,337 --> 01:00:20,957

It was never taken, but go ahead.

:

01:00:21,652 --> 01:00:25,222

Xhafer: I mean, it might have been taken

at some point, but no one had it now.

:

01:00:25,462 --> 01:00:26,287

Laura: Ah, there you go.

:

01:00:27,652 --> 01:00:29,782

Xhafer: so I scooped that shit up.

:

01:00:30,172 --> 01:00:32,572

Got a website together,

you can go on there.

:

01:00:32,692 --> 01:00:37,432

You have a number of hours depending

on when you listen to this to go do it.

:

01:00:37,462 --> 01:00:38,662

I'm shutting it down.

:

01:00:39,247 --> 01:00:43,807

sometime during the day on the 24th.

:

01:00:44,017 --> 01:00:46,777

So if you're listening

to this, go check it out.

:

01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:47,707

You can go sign up.

:

01:00:47,707 --> 01:00:47,917

Still.

:

01:00:47,917 --> 01:00:50,317

The first two episodes of Strange In

Your World, season three have already

:

01:00:50,317 --> 01:00:52,657

aired, but it is a fantasy league.

:

01:00:52,807 --> 01:00:54,727

You pick, you're away, team leader.

:

01:00:54,727 --> 01:00:56,677

You pick some crewmen,

you pick some guest stars.

:

01:00:56,677 --> 01:00:58,327

Whenever they do stuff, you get points.

:

01:00:58,507 --> 01:01:00,157

All the scoring's detailed on there.

:

01:01:00,337 --> 01:01:01,387

Go check it out.

:

01:01:01,807 --> 01:01:02,887

It's a lot of fun.

:

01:01:03,157 --> 01:01:06,757

And then, uh, follow Dominion Media

Television on Facebook for regular

:

01:01:06,757 --> 01:01:08,887

scoring updates and fun stuff.

:

01:01:09,127 --> 01:01:12,097

There's a top 10 you get put

put on the top of the page.

:

01:01:12,427 --> 01:01:13,327

It'll be a good time.

:

01:01:13,327 --> 01:01:13,867

Go sign up.

:

01:01:14,557 --> 01:01:15,277

Laura: Yay.

:

01:01:15,342 --> 01:01:15,832

Awesome.

:

01:01:16,693 --> 01:01:17,803

I'm looking forward to that next time.

:

01:01:19,003 --> 01:01:20,113

Xhafer: Yeah, it'll be good.

:

01:01:20,330 --> 01:01:23,090

I mean, I get to talk

to Fick every week, but,

:

01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,630

uh, you don't, and it'll be a good time.

:

01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:26,870

It'll

:

01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:27,950

be a good episode to have him on.

:

01:01:28,325 --> 01:01:31,115

Laura: I kind of still do, 'cause

we're all very active in the

:

01:01:31,115 --> 01:01:34,745

Discord, which, hey, if you're

not in the Discord, you should

:

01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,860

Xhafer: Yeah, get on the Discord.

:

01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,940

Discords a great time.

:

01:01:38,090 --> 01:01:41,540

Um, if you hate Discord though,

that's fine too, but that's just

:

01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:44,660

the place where we've congregated.

:

01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:45,320

Laura: mm-hmm,

:

01:01:45,610 --> 01:01:48,550

Xhafer: it's a good time there

and you can mute channels that

:

01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:49,480

you don't wanna listen to.

:

01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,510

It is, it's a fun community.

:

01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:53,380

Love everyone over

:

01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:54,050

Laura: mm-hmm.

:

01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:54,850

Great group.

:

01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:55,500

Xhafer: yeah.

:

01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,410

You know, you know who else Ha

is part of that great group.

:

01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:01,050

Someone we have an affinity for.

:

01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:05,460

Someone who I'd say is one of the

closest friends to the podcast.

:

01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:06,570

Laura: I think I do.

:

01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:06,930

Yeah.

:

01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:07,890

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:08,190

You know?

:

01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,700

Can you, I'm gonna, I'm projecting

the name to you right now.

:

01:02:11,745 --> 01:02:14,985

Laura: I'm, I'm, receiving an image of.

:

01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:15,810

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:17,820

Laura: Jeremy Siegel

:

01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:18,840

Xhafer: Nailed it.

:

01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:19,170

Yep.

:

01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:20,880

Jeremy, thanks.

:

01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:22,020

Oh yes.

:

01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:24,630

At bandcamp.com.

:

01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:25,680

Uh.

:

01:02:26,550 --> 01:02:28,500

Jeremy, thanks so much

for doing our theme music.

:

01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:29,550

We appreciate the hell out of it.

:

01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:31,350

We appreciate the hell outta you.

:

01:02:31,830 --> 01:02:36,120

Uh, find more Jeremy's work at

the aforementioned band camp or on

:

01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,070

streaming services as nuclear Jaguar.

:

01:02:38,776 --> 01:02:41,141

Laura: Also, a big thank you

to Angry Deck Time Machine on

:

01:02:41,146 --> 01:02:42,886

Instagram for our podcast artwork.

:

01:02:43,846 --> 01:02:44,926

Xhafer: Uh, Aaron, thanks.

:

01:02:44,926 --> 01:02:46,216

Right in this podcast.

:

01:02:46,471 --> 01:02:50,521

I know I, I pulled, I, I I dug

deep on some ass this time.

:

01:02:50,521 --> 01:02:51,841

Appreciate you digging for him.

:

01:02:53,581 --> 01:02:54,331

Laura: And listener.

:

01:02:54,331 --> 01:02:55,801

We've already plugged the discord once.

:

01:02:55,801 --> 01:02:58,381

But hey, if you wanna join us

on the Discord, that's great.

:

01:02:58,651 --> 01:03:03,331

If you wanna go give us a like

on Facebook or some kind of five

:

01:03:03,331 --> 01:03:06,931

star review on your favorite pod

platform, those are all great.

:

01:03:07,471 --> 01:03:10,081

Xhafer: We appreciate you

sharing the podcast with anyone.

:

01:03:10,471 --> 01:03:12,991

Laura: we always appreciate you

sharing the podcast with your

:

01:03:12,991 --> 01:03:15,811

favorite BSG or Babylon five fans.

:

01:03:16,531 --> 01:03:20,791

And, uh, if you want some weird, silly

merch, check out the merch store.

:

01:03:20,791 --> 01:03:22,741

It'll be in the show notes these days.

:

01:03:23,022 --> 01:03:24,836

Xhafer: Yeah, and uh,

we'll see you next week.

:

01:03:24,836 --> 01:03:25,226

Internet.

:

01:03:25,463 --> 01:03:25,553

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.