Episode 183

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Published on:

6th Aug 2025

BSG S2E16 - Billystar Galactica (Featuring Ryan from YumYum Podcast)

Ryan from YumYum podcast joins to discuss Billy's rich characterization, Ellen Tigh, and his love of Dana Delany. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 16: Sacrifice.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done podcast

hosted by two former strangers.

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Now, friends that are currently watching

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I'm Jair,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we've got a guest

today if you'd like to say hi.

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Ryan: Hi everyone.

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Hello.

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It's me.

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Everyone's favorite Australian menace.

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Ryan is back here, and I've got

my Dukes up because there's also

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a certain great character who's in

this episode too that I can't wait

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to fight about how awesome they are.

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Laura: I don't know.

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Maybe it's not a fight

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today.

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Ryan: Of course, I'm talking about Lee.

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Of course, we all love Lee.

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Actually, that's this,

that's this show's name.

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We love Lee

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Xhafer: Merch

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Laura: The new merch dropping.

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We love Lee.

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Right.

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Ryan: Oh

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Laura: Oh, Ryan, we do need to like

find out how to send you some, some.

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We love lease merch.

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We really want

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to,

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Ryan: I think

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Laura: we'll talk off pod.

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Ryan: I think I'm owed.

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Xhafer: you, you are a hundred percent.

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Ryan: oh, yeah.

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That's

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Xhafer: uh, we'll, we'll figure

that out after we're done recording.

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but yeah.

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So we got season two

episode 16, sacrifice today.

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And Ryan, you requested this episode.

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Now did you request it because

of l and Ty or was there some other

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motivation you were thinking about?

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Ryan: Oh, well I knew Ellen was in it.

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I thought that would be a nice connective

thread, but that's not the main motivator.

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Um, the main motivator is uh, it's

a very interestingly uh, it's a

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very interestingly made episode

and it's a big turning point.

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'cause we, we, you know, we

lose someone in this, so that's

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like a monumental thing as well.

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So, but uh, why I picked it will become

more obvious as we talk about it.

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I guess.

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It's one of those things that's like,

ah, yes, I was looking at season two

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and I'm just like, Hmm, I wanna pick

one from what I call the uh, life of

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the colonies episodes of BSG, where

there's a, like a stretch of episodes

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in season two, where they try to do,

like, what is life like on the colonies?

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Like, is there a black

market on the colonies?

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Or, you know, oh.

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Surely the, the normal people are reacting

to all of this silent infiltration stuff.

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Surely that will be worth exploring.

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And so I, I find that interesting.

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There's like a stretch of episodes

that are like, what is life

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like on the colonies and how

do our characters react to it?

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And the answer is not very well.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh,

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We've got I think, at least one

more of those before the season's

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out, and we've had a handful so far.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: but uh, yeah, this

is a, I dunno, I, I, I mean,

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we'll talk about it at the end.

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I do, I do enjoy this episode.

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It's a, it's kind of a weird one.

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and there's definitely stuff that is

uh, nonsensical to me immediately,

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but, we'll, we'll get there when we get

there because we open on Dana Delaney.

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Ryan: Can I, can I stop you immediately?

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Do you guys watch the previous can?

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Do you guys watch the

previously ons at all?

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Laura: I do.

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Yes.

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Ryan: Can I talk about that?

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I don't know if you, you

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Laura: Yes, please do.

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Ryan: The previously ons were

basically, this episode was like

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he's every scene with Billy.

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Isn't Billy a great character who

totally gets enough screen time to

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justify being in this previously on

look at Billy and Dee's relationship?

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Billy sure loves being alive.

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I love being alive.

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My name's Billy and I sure do

love being young and hopeful and

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everything's going well for me.

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I'm Billy, the main character of

actually Billy Star Galactica.

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That's the name of the show.

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It's named after me.

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It was very funny because obviously

I knew what this episode was about,

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but it just made me laugh because

sometimes when you watch previously

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ons, it gives the game away.

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You like, you go,

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Laura: It did a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I definitely had that moment where

I turned to Erin and I was like, I

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bet Billy's gonna die in this one.

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And I, I realized as I was watching that

previously on, I was very ashamed of

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myself that we hadn't referred to, to

the relationship as Billy D Like Billy D.

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Williams, that's their ship name.

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And we didn't, we didn't do it.

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And all this time wasted.

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Xhafer: Yeah, and it's,

it's, it's done now, so,

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And the Billy d di is, do you

have a name for their pairing?

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The, the Billy and D.

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You have, do you have Lee and D?

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Is it

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Laura: I was just calling him Dee and Lee.

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Ryan: De

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Ryan: the, the problem is they have the

same name, but with a letter changed

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: mean, you could go for like a dmo

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you could just drop the

E'S and just say ld.

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Laura: LD

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Ryan: ld.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like that.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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There's, there's room to work.

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We'll, we'll workshop it.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I don't know how I

feel about Lee and Dee.

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Um, just as a thing, like, I don't know.

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I told Jafar in one of the recent

episodes, I dunno if it's come out yet,

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so I will tell you now, Ryan, that I

felt like it sort of came out of nowhere.

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Like it didn't

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Ryan: So did Billy, um,

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Laura: maybe I'm just a

Billy, I don't know, but I was

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Ryan: we

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could talk about it, but, um, Ellen Tai

has some opinions on their relationship

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that I find absolutely fascinating

that she brings up in this episode.

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And I think she hits, she hits something

right on the nerve there, but we could

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talk about that when we get there.

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Laura: I may have missed it,

so I would love it if you

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would share that insight with me.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So, uh, we've got Dana Delaney

in the first scene here.

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Um, a real, that gal as, as you already

mentioned before we even hit the record

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button, Ryan, a desperate housewife.

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Ryan: She was a desperate housewife.

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She came in later.

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She was a later edition,

but she was wonderful.

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She was the gay desperate housewife.

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Her whole thing is like she finds out

that she's gay partway through the show,

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and you get a marvelous line delivery

of her just being after kissing a woman

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and just saying, I'm am I gay now?

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And it's just magnificent and she's.

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The type of character where her

character is exactly like one of

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the, or already existing housewives.

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She's, she's pretty much like Brie.

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And so what they do with that is

they hate each other and they're arch

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nemes, but then they become friends.

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It's, you know, frenemies dynamic and

they own like a business together.

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And it's just magnificent to see these

two uptight freaks play off each other.

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But yeah, Dana Delaney,

she's in so many things.

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She's like, she's a movie

actress, you know, as well.

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And so when she rocks up in BSG

and there's no like, no glory shot

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of introduction to her, you just

hear her muttering to herself.

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'cause she's crazy by the way, in case you

didn't go, in case you didn't pick that

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up by all of the red yarn on the wall.

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And all of these like.

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Evil photographs of the crew.

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And she's just saying everything out

loud as she's typing things because

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you know, we gotta let you know

upfront that this person's point of

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view that she like gives us throughout

the whole episode will mean nothing.

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'cause she's actually crazy.

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We have to make sure we know that up top.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah, because people who

take hostages, you have to worry

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about whether or not they're

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, uh uh, she's got that conspiracy

wall though with all the, the strings and

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she's vibing out typing and uh, we

see that in her like flashbacks.

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Her husband got airlock at some

point, basically de decompressed.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And it was that thing of, since I'm, I

haven't watched all of the episodes while

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watching a lot, listening along with you,

but I had that thing of like, oh, was

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this a previously established character?

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No.

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Xhafer: No.

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Ryan: This isn't like a string of

episodes where they do that too,

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where it's just like, Hey, Lee has

this like, sex worker girlfriend.

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Is this previously established?

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No,

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Xhafer: no.

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Ryan: without getting into it, next week's

episode is actually fucking notorious.

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And make sure to watch the

previously on for that one.

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'cause it's probably the greatest

example of evil the show's ever done.

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But, um, the show does that

where it's like, I watch this.

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I'm like, oh, am I supposed to know?

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And the whole episode treats it like,

oh, her poor husband, what a hero he was.

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It's like, I don't know who

the fuck that guy was and the

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episode's not gonna tell me.

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And this is all I did.

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This is all I did.

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Xhafer: Man.

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I don't think that episode, the, the

episode with the one with Lees aired yet,

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but man, that was so fucking frustrating.

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Laura: Think it just aired

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this week,

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Ryan: I listened,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Ugh.

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The more I think about it, the more

upset I get about how important they

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made that character for 30 seconds just

to like, never give a speaking line,

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just like it's, it's just, it's so

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Ryan: but.

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We lovely.

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Xhafer: new merch.

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All right.

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Uh, Yeah.

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So, uh, Sasha is the character's

name here, Sasha Aal.

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And Sasha has connected that.

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There is another Sharon Valeri, who

is still alive on the Galactica.

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There's like shadowy photos and

it's all like, what the hell?

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A second one,

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Ryan: And she's right.

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That's the

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Xhafer: she's right.

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Ryan: The, the show's like, Hey,

conspiracy theorists are fucking right.

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Have you noticed every time the show

brings up the rumor mill, the rumor

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mill was a 100% correct, by the way.

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Laura: I mean so far, yeah,

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Ryan: they know?

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Worry.

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As like military officers who rule

the fucking humanity, do they not

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worry about like leaking information?

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Like the rumor mill's always,

always right about everything.

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Heck, there was one episode where

they, the rumor mill said, oh,

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I think silence could be this.

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And then an episode or two later

six was like, yeah, they were right.

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It's like, what the fuck?

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Like what did they know?

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That fucking Adama doesn't know.

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You know what?

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Hire them.

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Hire the rumor mill.

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Just have them a part of the payroll.

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At this point, Lucy

Lawless isn't doing shit,

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Xhafer: I have to think that there

are just like so many rumors that we

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don't see because it's not pertinent

to the plot that they just dismiss

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outright that are actually false rumors.

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'cause that's the only way to

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Ryan: but they need to

do that in the show.

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They need to demonstrate that

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Xhafer: Yeah, and I want that fucking

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Ryan: the time.

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Laura: that would be a fun episode.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Just bad silent rumors for an entire

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Ryan: That, that, that could have

been the one where with the journalist

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made an epi, like made her documentary

where you had some of that dispersed

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in there, but you didn't get that.

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You got all of it being correct.

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I just mentioned that because this

character, she's got, she's got

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all the pieces together at the

beginning, and you're like, oh shit.

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She's, she's, she's figured it out and

she's gonna come in throughout the episode

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with like a point, and a lot of her

points are like obviously like correct,

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but they're framed as villainous because,

well, she's crazy and so we shouldn't,

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we shouldn't regard any of it, but it's

like, well, she's right, like she's right.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: yeah.

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No, that's really fun in

this, this episode is like,

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Xhafer: I mean, a

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Laura: she knows everything we

do now and we know she's right.

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Xhafer: like of the episodes

that you could have picked.

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I was really glad you picked this

one specifically because to me this

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is an incredibly American episode.

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Ryan: boy.

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Is it?

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Oh boy.

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I have a whole lot of thoughts about

how this one's wrestling with the fact

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it's both a response to nine 11 fever,

pitch mania, but also just fully, is it?

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It's very strange.

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It's a very strange episode.

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Xhafer: no, a hundred percent.

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It's, that's the vibe.

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And to have that kind of a conversation

with someone who didn't grow up in

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America during nine 11, I'm very

interested about your opinions on it,

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so we'll, we'll get there.

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Laura: sorry, before we leave Sasha

really quick, um, it is believable to

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me though that like if we talked in

the last episode, that hasn't aired

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yet about like how long it's been.

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'cause I was getting confused, you

know, and the amount of time that

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Jair set out for me, I'm, I'm believe

it's feasible because you have these,

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these military personnel that are

like visiting the black market.

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You think they're not.

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Talking when they do that, like that,

something could have gotten out.

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So, you know, I know that the episode

is trying to play up like Sasha's

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craziness and grief over her husband,

but I was also like, yeah, she's just

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like disseminating the information, you

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Ryan: And we have a conversation

from Adama a bit later about like,

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um, disseminating information

and like using the press.

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And he's always about like,

no, it's about military assets.

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It's about, you know, being

controlling the flow of how everything

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is controlled and information.

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And at, at the end of the

episode, it's still like FlipFlop

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you of like, is he right?

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Well, we lost Billy, so

maybe he isn't right.

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It's like, well, I guess, I don't know.

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We.

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Xhafer: But also like he's like, all

this has to be so controlled, but he's

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also the one having Sharon escorted

through the fucking ship all the

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Laura: right, right.

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Xhafer: to his office, to his

quarters, instead of going to her in

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a controlled situation and not walking

her in front of whatever fucking

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school kids happened to be getting a

tour through Galactica at that time.

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Ryan: But he has to make his model ship,

so he has to have them come to him.

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Laura: yeah.

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Well, and and she's going to sick pay

all the time, like to get pregnancy

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checkups, and it's like, why not

take Doc Coddle and a machine to her?

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Like, come on.

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So Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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So, uh, as she's putting

all this together, the news

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also hits the fleet radio.

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Adamo, Rosalyn and Billy listen in,

and Billy drives this conversation,

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which Rosalyn comments on as soon

as they get out of there, and

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he's got all of this courage.

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He's, he's really owning the moment,

and we see why just after, as

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he runs off and proposes to Dee,

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Ryan: Big.

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I now am a strong-willed character, so

I obviously won't be around much longer

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energy from our good friend Billy.

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Laura: Yeah, you can just say RIP

here, like it is over Billie D.

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Xhafer: what fucking goal?

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Just puts a ring on her

without even asking.

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Just all like, oh, here's my

debate ring, and then she's just

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like, what the fuck is going on?

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Laura: Also, that thing

has to be huge on her.

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She is a tiny lady.

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She's gotta have tiny little hands.

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Ryan: but the ring looks so small in

his hands, so I, I kind of bought it.

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I was like, that looks like a little ring.

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I don't know, it was just one of those

things with like, sure, well here's

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the thing, we can't tell because

the scene is shot like shit, it's

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so shaky, handheld, and I laughed.

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I genuinely laughed at the moment where

she is like, oh, I'm not interested.

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You know the buff, and it does like

the snap, zoom on Billy's eyes, but it

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was like so close and it's so shaky.

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And the intercutting.

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When you're in the groove of BSG, you

get accustomed and you get comfortable,

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or maybe you don't with like the

handheld zoomy style, but then there

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are moments where you do question it.

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Like this whole scene, I'm

like, why is it shot like this?

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Why is this shot like an action scene?

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It's very obnoxious and it's

supposed to be like a, a good, you

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know, moment of these characters

kind of back and forth thing.

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And I just am laughing because

of these almost comedically time

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zooms that they have in this show.

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It's very amusing to me

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ryan: 'cause it's

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Laura: someone took the, uh.

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someone took the Black Hawk down

playbook a little too Seriously.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: She says no immediately.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: just like Billy, you

have, you have fucked up.

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And then we cut over to cloud

nine where Dee tells Lee

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about her day and all of this.

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He is drinking, I don't know if

you caught this, a spicy martini

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with a fucking Thai chili.

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Where

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Laura: I I love the chili pepper martini.

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Xhafer: Why are they using chili

peppers for martinis and not curry?

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This is a gross misuse and

misappropriation of limited

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Ryan: Welcome to Cloud nine.

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Xhafer: Fair?

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Ryan: It's always doing it.

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Laura: We're we're outta

olives, so here's what you get.

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Uh, D is very pretty.

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In this scene, she looks beautiful.

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Ryan: is a nice low cut dress and

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Very good

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Ryan: Lee is just wearing boring clothes

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Laura: Well,

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Xhafer: I mean, not not as board

shorts from two episodes ago, but.

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Ryan: He's wearing, he's wearing clothes

that says, I will, I will do a Max Payne

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style action scene later in the show.

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And, um, good for him.

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But yeah, she's wearing a lovely dress.

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Everyone, everyone's looking

good in this episode 'cause

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they're in their casual clothes.

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We see Starbucks later and she's

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also in a nice outfit that the Marine

just couldn't help but look at, which

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I found a very amusing acting detail.

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It wasn't like lingered on too

much, but it was just a little

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like, you saw his eyes glance.

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I'm like, yep.

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Laura: Yeah, because

because he's afraid of her.

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He is not gonna look too long, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, it it very, very good

costuming in this episode.

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I was very, very pleased.

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Um, but yeah, I don't know.

413

:

I just don't like, feel chemistry between.

414

:

Dee, even though she clearly

got very dolled up for him.

415

:

I don't know.

416

:

Is it just me?

417

:

Ryan: No, not at all.

418

:

I'm, I'm with you.

419

:

I think it's because, um, Lee.

420

:

I just don't understand what he

wants as a character so often.

421

:

And that applies to his

romantic entanglements, like,

422

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

423

:

Ryan: and it just goes here and there.

424

:

And him and Dee in this episode alone,

it's mainly to be like for Billy's

425

:

sake, rather than the two of them.

426

:

Like mainly the takeaway I get

about the relationship and from this

427

:

episode is how much it affects Billy.

428

:

And then by the end of the episode, he's

willing to help Lee out, even though

429

:

at the start he probably wouldn't have.

430

:

But it's because Billy's

such a, such a nice guy.

431

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

432

:

Xhafer: Well, yeah.

433

:

He has to be this outstanding citizen,

so that way we have an emotional

434

:

impact from killing him later.

435

:

Ryan: Yeah.

436

:

And also Starbuck having to accept

it as well by the end of the episode

437

:

two, like it's mainly about how the

other characters are reacting to their

438

:

relationship rather than how I feel

about the actual relationship itself.

439

:

Like it's.

440

:

It's whatever, like it's there.

441

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

442

:

it's, it's done at them, not for them.

443

:

Laura: yeah.

444

:

Speaking of costuming though, that

we were just talking about, I think

445

:

it's very funny as, okay, we, we

get Ellen and Ty coming in, but

446

:

we also see Sasha coming in and.

447

:

She's clearly very shifty.

448

:

She's like making eye contact with

some guys in the room, and as we're

449

:

going to theme, we can see that

she's got a gun in her waistband

450

:

with her like crop top jean jacket.

451

:

Like you should wear it, not a crop top

if you're hiding a gun in your pants.

452

:

Ryan: Yeah.

453

:

But I like looking at

Dana Delaney, so you know.

454

:

And they know that too.

455

:

This show's horny and it's gonna

do it even if it doesn't matter.

456

:

Like this episode doesn't have ballar

in it, so we can't have a, you know,

457

:

a routine horn factor in the episode.

458

:

So we've gotta find it in little ways.

459

:

So

460

:

this is one of the little ways, like you

can't hire Dana Delaney and not have a

461

:

little bit of a little bit of skin shown.

462

:

And, and, and so they did it like this.

463

:

So that way Lee looks clever later

when he also notices, because I mean,

464

:

you can't not look, it's Dana Delaney.

465

:

I love the bit where Ellen Ty like

bumps into her, like nearly knocks

466

:

her over, and Dana Delaney like, gives

like this sheepish look at Ellen.

467

:

Ty's like, I'm Ellen.

468

:

TI don't give a fuck.

469

:

She's like, I don't give a fuck.

470

:

I'm Ellen t who cares?

471

:

I'm, I'm the main

character of the show now.

472

:

Bye.

473

:

Just

474

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

475

:

Ryan: beautiful.

476

:

Laura: I love how she's just like on

Cloud nine all the time without Saul.

477

:

Just like

478

:

doing what?

479

:

I don't know.

480

:

Yeah.

481

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

482

:

Ryan: she lives at the bar.

483

:

Laura: Love that for her.

484

:

Xhafer: Yep.

485

:

We get this shot of the gun to theme.

486

:

Survivor count 49,590 during the theme.

487

:

This is down three from last episode.

488

:

The pilot's, BB, Riley, and jojo.

489

:

Ryan: It, it'll be down a lot more

by the end of this episode too.

490

:

Xhafer: Yeah, there's a few.

491

:

This one.

492

:

Laura: Yeah.

493

:

Xhafer: So we come back and Lee

runs into Ellen at the bar as

494

:

Billy shows up at the bar as well.

495

:

And Lee is like just getting the

fuck out of there to the point where

496

:

it's all like, he like sees Ellen.

497

:

He's like, fuck, let me get outta here.

498

:

He goes back to Dee Billy shows

up, he's like, fuck, let me get

499

:

Laura: Let me get outta here.

500

:

Xhafer: Things are so bad.

501

:

He goes back to Ellen.

502

:

Ryan: Awesome.

503

:

Laura: that's a real rock

and a hard place, right?

504

:

Like

505

:

Ryan: It it's intercut as well between

the high, the high drama of Billy

506

:

and Dee's like relationship falling

apart and like them coming to terms

507

:

with that and cutting back to the more

lackadaisical energy of Lee and Ellen

508

:

and I, I really like that because this

show, especially when, um, Ellen shows

509

:

up, but this is actually where the

different times where they love cringe.

510

:

They just, just show loves.

511

:

Like last time I was on, we

had the whole dinner scene.

512

:

Laura: Oh yes.

513

:

Oh my.

514

:

I'm

515

:

Ryan: Love, this show loves to do that.

516

:

And, but they're doing it here

with Billy and Dee, and it's like

517

:

very like, oh, you just feel like

you are, you're just tightening

518

:

up from his, how awkward this is.

519

:

Like you, I like Billy, but he

comes off like, he comes off like,

520

:

like a fucking idiot in this scene.

521

:

But also Dee doesn't

come off great either.

522

:

But then we cut back to, oh,

some respite, Ellen and, and

523

:

Lee, they're just like drinking.

524

:

She's got her, she's got a big drink

with like the dry ice in it, and it's

525

:

Laura: Huh.

526

:

It's like smoking

527

:

Ryan: It's smoking,

she's blowing his face.

528

:

I'm like, oh, thank God

I'm saved, I'm saved.

529

:

From the very real feeling breakup

scene that's happening over there.

530

:

And you can see in the background

it's happening, which is a, a great

531

:

little directing detail, but, um,

how do you guys feel about Billy and

532

:

how he's hand, how he handled this

533

:

Xhafer: How he handles it.

534

:

He blames her.

535

:

For letting him propose, like, excuse me.

536

:

Laura: Yeah.

537

:

Like you kind of just barreled

that train on your own buddy.

538

:

Like you, you messed that

up yourself, like own it

539

:

Ryan: And he is also like.

540

:

you needed to tell me that

you were dating Leah Damo.

541

:

That's actually very important

that you needed to tell me that.

542

:

Which, um, did she, like, did

she need to tell you that?

543

:

Laura: Hmm.

544

:

Xhafer: I don't, I don't feel

like they've had much of a

545

:

relationship outside of friendship.

546

:

You know, it's, I don't know.

547

:

Dean Lee?

548

:

Yeah.

549

:

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

550

:

I mean, it hasn't seemed like

they were actually dating.

551

:

They, they had a very tense moment

in a boxing fight, which was like

552

:

ostensibly work, sort of, you know, we,

we have to stay fit, we're Galactica.

553

:

Ryan: Hmm.

554

:

Laura: And I can't remember anything

else and I'm not sure if that's

555

:

just my brain not filing any

556

:

Xhafer: there, there has, there

we have not seen anything.

557

:

Um, and I mean, obviously the end

of this episode leads us to believe

558

:

that there will be more later.

559

:

But as of this point, it's been,

oh, maybe a little bit of flirty ggl

560

:

occasionally because Lee's fucking weird.

561

:

And he likes glaring.

562

:

That is one of Lee's

main character traits.

563

:

I hope it's the first thing

in the character Bible.

564

:

Lee likes to glare.

565

:

Son of Camp Commander Adama

like it should be that order.

566

:

Ryan: Or pout.

567

:

He loves pouting

568

:

Xhafer: He's a pouty

569

:

boy.

570

:

Ryan: a

571

:

Laura: yeah.

572

:

But I, I guess I can kind of see

why Billy would like, think that,

573

:

'cause she got very dolled up

574

:

for Lee

575

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

576

:

Ryan: dama.

577

:

He's, he comes over with drinks

and he has that head bubble,

578

:

like, yeah, I'm here to fuck.

579

:

Like, of course you would.

580

:

I have not kept the track of what their

relationship was from what, just watching

581

:

this individual episode on its own.

582

:

Um, a few behind.

583

:

I thought that they were in a fully

committed relationship already, and

584

:

they just didn't tell Billy, like,

the Billy relationship hadn't ended.

585

:

Like she's moved on,

but they haven't talked.

586

:

That's how it feels.

587

:

So when Billy reacts that way, I

understood because like, look at it,

588

:

it's just one of those, like, look

at it, but then we get Ellen Tai,

589

:

Laura: Yes.

590

:

Do talk about

591

:

Xhafer: yes.

592

:

She's trying to bring Lee into the

593

:

Ryan: she tries to hit on him as usual.

594

:

She's like, Hey, do you wanna get some?

595

:

Because you know, that's her thing.

596

:

She wants to fuck everyone and

she's especially wanted to fuck

597

:

Elise since her first episode.

598

:

Let's never forget that she

put her foot right up there.

599

:

Um, uh.

600

:

She knows.

601

:

Um, and she has this interesting

line where she's basically, like you

602

:

and I are very similar where we, we

love people, but we aren't committed.

603

:

We aren't people who

can commit to one love.

604

:

Like we,

605

:

we dance around and we go to these things.

606

:

I'm like, yeah, yeah,

she's kind of nailed Julie.

607

:

Like, what's, what's happened

with the Starbuck thing?

608

:

Like, are you, you still for her or not?

609

:

Like, what's happening with you?

610

:

Like he's always got some underlying

attraction to, to someone.

611

:

And then if it doesn't really do

it, he kind of flip flops around.

612

:

Like he's a very flip floppy character.

613

:

And I like that.

614

:

Ellen's just like, I own that.

615

:

I own that.

616

:

I'm a non-committal person.

617

:

I own it.

618

:

You are a non-committal person.

619

:

You should own it too.

620

:

Like, I just think that's a very

funny observation for her to have.

621

:

And the episode doesn't

really linger on it.

622

:

But I think it's very funny because

Lee, like his ideals are very ever

623

:

changing depending what script he.

624

:

Like, sometimes he's like very much

like, I love being a military boy.

625

:

And then other times like,

no, the military, they can't

626

:

dictate things like that.

627

:

He, he, he, I have lots

of problems with Lee.

628

:

He's one of my least favorite characters,

but I just, I adore Ellen Ty just drinking

629

:

and look at him wanting to fuck him and

being like, you, you can't settle down.

630

:

I know what that's like.

631

:

You need to just own that fact because

you'll be happier if you, if you are,

632

:

I mean, everyone knows that I'm that

way and you have to just, you just have

633

:

to accept it after a certain point.

634

:

And you know what?

635

:

Go off Queen.

636

:

She's, she's, she's got it.

637

:

Laura: Do.

638

:

Does everyone know though?

639

:

I think there's one

person who doesn't know.

640

:

Ryan: Aw.

641

:

but but it's there because they're dumb.

642

:

Laura: Well, yeah,

643

:

Ryan: She's not making it subtle.

644

:

Laura: I know.

645

:

I know, but he's just like

willful ignorance for sure.

646

:

Ryan: Yeah.

647

:

Xhafer: You know, if it, if he doesn't

see it, then it doesn't happen.

648

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

649

:

Laura: Yep.

650

:

And it's all happening on cloud nine

'cause that's where she's at all the time.

651

:

So SA tie is fine.

652

:

And meanwhile, he's drinking

and sweating alone in his bunk.

653

:

Xhafer: Ugh, I ain't that the truth.

654

:

Lee sees Sasha's gun here and pulls

Ellen to safety, which she completely

655

:

misreads given the context of their

conversation, how much he is not listening

656

:

to the words that she is telling him.

657

:

And it's, it's a, it's just

like when Baltar has two

658

:

conversations at the same time.

659

:

It's that exact same writing style, but

applied to a conversation that's actually

660

:

happening, but they're having very

different conversations with each other

661

:

in that moment, and I fucking love it.

662

:

That's my favorite part of this show

is that double conversation thing.

663

:

It's my favorite, and they do it here

really well with different characters, and

664

:

Ryan: Yes, I enjoyed it because

it's Lee doing something clever.

665

:

Um, he recognizes a problem.

666

:

He plays it cool.

667

:

He play, he does play up the fact like,

oh yeah, let's go to the bathroom.

668

:

Like, he does play it up a bit, but

he's, he's in like military man mode.

669

:

He is like, I, I've assessed

a problem, a threat, a danger.

670

:

We've gotta do this.

671

:

He only takes her, he walks

through so many people, he doesn't

672

:

like try to like, get anyone.

673

:

Just her.

674

:

It's just the

675

:

Laura: Too noticeable.

676

:

Ryan: Yeah.

677

:

Not, you don't wanna make it too

678

:

noticeable and

679

:

Xhafer: if you had to pick one

person who's gonna make this

680

:

situation worse in that room, it is.

681

:

Ellen,

682

:

Laura: Facts.

683

:

Xhafer: could choose to remove one person

684

:

who might make this more bearable.

685

:

Ryan: And that's what she's like,

fuck it, I wanna be in the room.

686

:

I wanna make it a problem.

687

:

Laura: There's a problem out

there, but I can be a bigger one.

688

:

Ryan: Don't they know who I am?

689

:

Oh,

690

:

Laura: yeah.

691

:

Ryan: far out, man.

692

:

Ellen Ties is such a,

such a great character.

693

:

I loved her in this episode.

694

:

She's, she's somo emotional, but also

there's just this underlying thing

695

:

of like, but I'm having a good time.

696

:

I'm just, I came out to have

a good time and honestly, I'm

697

:

feeling so attacked right now.

698

:

That's Ellen Tai.

699

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

700

:

Yep.

701

:

They get outta there just in time.

702

:

As ses enter comrade, start their plan.

703

:

They seal the room.

704

:

They fire some guns to get

everyone corralled by the bar.

705

:

Laura: No guns in tube, boo.

706

:

Xhafer: no guns in tube.

707

:

Oh, fucking Sharon and Adama talk

ambushes but he also throws out that

708

:

her presence is no longer a secret.

709

:

if you do not a thousand percent trust

the, the, the enemy agent in, in the

710

:

cell, this is the last thing you tell

them because it lets them know that the

711

:

other silos in the fleet know she's there.

712

:

Ryan: Was this the scene where she

asks if they know because she's

713

:

pressing it like it's already, like

she already knows that they know.

714

:

She just needs him to tell, like,

I, I, I took it as like, you may as

715

:

well tell her because if you want

to have this relationship work,

716

:

there needs to be a back and forth.

717

:

I do think it is understandable

that he still does not trust her.

718

:

I mean, this is the face of someone

who shot him earlier and also she is

719

:

not willing to give up information.

720

:

She's still not willing to give up.

721

:

Lots of information that's very important.

722

:

And so it's like, hmm, yeah, I

can see why you are not going

723

:

to just be friendly enough.

724

:

You know,

725

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

726

:

Laura: what if Sharon

got the information out?

727

:

What if she's the one who wanted it out?

728

:

Xhafer: That could be beneficial

for her in a number of ways.

729

:

Laura: Yeah.

730

:

Yeah.

731

:

Hmm.

732

:

Xhafer: Lee finds the whatever

a service hash is called,

733

:

instead of a Jeffries tube,

734

:

Ryan: one that's big enough to fit a

nice, big, beefy man and it that they

735

:

can just walk around very easily.

736

:

That's

737

:

Xhafer: there's cameras fit in there.

738

:

It's so convenient.

739

:

Ryan: I just.

740

:

Ellen has her huge drink and

it's just smoking everywhere

741

:

and he needs that drink.

742

:

Like that's really why Ellen

is in this episode at all.

743

:

Let's be real honest, the only reason

she's here is because he needs a do dad

744

:

that will do a techno babble do dad.

745

:

And that's why she's here.

746

:

It's like, because realistically I want

the story to be Ellen, Ty and Lee work

747

:

together as an odd pairing to help save

the day, but she immediately leaves and

748

:

then she just stands around for the rest

of the episode and doesn't really do much.

749

:

And it's just Lee to do it on his

own basically, when he like of the

750

:

people in the room for the most part.

751

:

And it's kind of a bummer,

like I, you know, I want her to

752

:

Xhafer: I would've liked to

die hard with the two of them.

753

:

Ryan: Yeah, and she can be like

someone that, you know, maybe tips the

754

:

bad guys off that they're in there.

755

:

Like I could still have that stuff,

but it's basically like she's there

756

:

to be someone who holds a drink and

it's like, who would have a drink?

757

:

Oh, Alan Tye, let's bring, bring her in.

758

:

And she's enjoyable.

759

:

But yeah, he goes in and he like

finds the magical McGuffy thing and

760

:

he just like pours some drink on it.

761

:

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah.

762

:

Ellen's main role in this episode

after this drink is so that way when

763

:

they're at the table talking, Adama,

Rosalyn and Ty Adama can go, my

764

:

son's in there and Rosalyn can go.

765

:

My adopted son is in there, and Ty can go.

766

:

I am important too.

767

:

Laura: yes.

768

:

Xhafer: I have a reason to not

negotiate with terrorists, but we're

769

:

not gonna negotiate with terrorists.

770

:

You know, you have to, you have to

give it some stakes for him too,

771

:

Ryan: We have to make,

we have to make it three.

772

:

Even though Dee is also in there,

she doesn't have as much of an

773

:

important dynamic with anyone there.

774

:

So.

775

:

Xhafer: So I mean, if it were a democracy

between the three of them and it's not

776

:

it would be two against one, because

Ty doesn't change his opinion on this.

777

:

At any point.

778

:

So, Ellen runs out of the room

here to let everyone know that

779

:

they fucked up worse than Billy.

780

:

Well, Billy, earlier in the

episode, we'll get to that.

781

:

Ryan: She's like, I am one of the most

powerful people on this entire show.

782

:

I am married to one of the most powerful

people, so that means I'm powerful

783

:

and you should respect my authority.

784

:

And everyone just gives like the

bugeyes to the camera, especially

785

:

David Delaney's like, oh no.

786

:

I should have realized, even though

Kate Vernon is just guest star

787

:

in this episode, I should have

realized that she's important.

788

:

No, no.

789

:

Xhafer: Uh, Cesia calls up

Galactica with her demands.

790

:

She wants Sharon delivered

in the next two hours.

791

:

he asks, who's a board?

792

:

DAMA asks who's aboard after they're

done on their call, who's on cloud nine?

793

:

And, and it's like, well,

there's Lee pause, nothing.

794

:

A half dozen Marines pause, nothing.

795

:

Oh, and Starbucks there for

r and r get me Starbucks.

796

:

They, they don't try to get Lee at this

point, which is, it's just like the Adama

797

:

has no way of knowing Lee is held hostage.

798

:

Ryan: Yeah, but he doesn't

like Lee very much.

799

:

Laura: The only one we know is Ellen.

800

:

Right.

801

:

'cause Ellen makes it clear or

they, they, they make Ellen do

802

:

the first phone call, right?

803

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

804

:

And she doesn't say anything about Lee.

805

:

But why would you let Lee and

Starbuck take, like recreation

806

:

off the ship at the same time?

807

:

They're like two of your best pilots

and in charge of all the piloting.

808

:

Xhafer: yeah.

809

:

I like, I guess maybe Kat is assistant

810

:

Laura: Oh, yeah.

811

:

Kat's pretty good.

812

:

That's right.

813

:

Xhafer: Now that she's a top gun

814

:

and she's got that sweet $150 Stein.

815

:

Ryan: I'm sure hot dogs really

under, got everything under

816

:

control while Lee's out and about.

817

:

I'm the real life son of Edward James

almost, so I actually am responsible.

818

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

819

:

Laura: I am the most

important person in this show.

820

:

We get Gada telling us that they found

out Sasha's the widow of someone who's

821

:

killed an asylum attack 10 weeks ago.

822

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

823

:

Laura: Yeah.

824

:

So I was like trying to place this

maybe, maybe it was something that had

825

:

happened in the show, but I don't think

you actually get enough information to

826

:

be like, oh yeah, it was probably that,

you know, maybe the internet knows, but

827

:

Ryan: Yeah, I am sure.

828

:

I'm sure there's someone knows out there.

829

:

Please write in what episode

was this guy killed in.

830

:

Please let us know.

831

:

Ronald.

832

:

Ronald D.

833

:

Moore.

834

:

I know you are listening 'cause

this show thus far has a pretty

835

:

successful track record of creators

of the show listening to the pod.

836

:

So please write in, let us know.

837

:

Xhafer: Oh no.

838

:

Laura: Yikes.

839

:

Yikes.

840

:

Xhafer: I don't want him mad at me too.

841

:

Laura: Yeah.

842

:

We love, we love you Ronnie D.

843

:

Please don't hate us.

844

:

Xhafer: star Bes meets up with

three Marines here and uh,

845

:

Lee gets found out here 'cause

846

:

Ryan: Well, no, no, no, no, no.

847

:

He on purposely gets himself found.

848

:

He has the upper hand and then he decides,

okay, I'm gonna knock this guy out.

849

:

He has, he is.

850

:

He, he, he was hidden.

851

:

They didn't know where the fuck he was.

852

:

Laura: that's true.

853

:

Ryan: And then he decides like

dumbass, I don't know if this

854

:

is him 40 D, chess it or what.

855

:

He takes one of them hostage.

856

:

He's like, Hey, give it up, baby.

857

:

You know, I'm in charge.

858

:

I'm Leah dama.

859

:

You don't wanna mess with me.

860

:

You know who my dad is.

861

:

This is a lot of Nepo babies

in this episode being like,

862

:

do you know who my daddy

863

:

is?

864

:

Um.

865

:

And then he, for some reason, 'cause

he loves Dee so much, he keeps like, I

866

:

fucking Dee during this entire thing.

867

:

And Dana Delaney correctly goes,

well, they're obviously together,

868

:

so fucking aim a gun at her.

869

:

He's a coward.

870

:

He won't kill us if we

kill her, so fuck it.

871

:

And then he, he gives up his

gun because he was a dumb ass.

872

:

Isn't he like one of the best

trained soldiers in the show?

873

:

Like, isn't that his thing?

874

:

Like he's one of the best, he doesn't

know how to handle any, like he

875

:

had the drop, he was being clever

and then he just flushes it away

876

:

so that we can heighten the stakes.

877

:

Like we can

878

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so we can have an episode

because this episode would be over 20

879

:

minutes in, if he does exactly what

he should have, which is choked out,

880

:

the guy took the gun, waited for the

oxygen sensor to go off, and for them

881

:

to all turn around and start freaking

out, pop out the bathroom and just pop,

882

:

pop, pop you, you got it, episode over.

883

:

But that, you know,

doesn't lead to Billy dying

884

:

Ryan: But you could still have it,

like, you know, Starbucks comes in

885

:

and it disrupts his plans and you

could still have like the messiness,

886

:

but it, the problem is you make an

episode and you sacrifice character,

887

:

integrity and intelligence for it.

888

:

That's the issue here, is I,

889

:

Xhafer: happens multiple times to

multiple characters in this episode.

890

:

It's

891

:

Ryan: yeah,

892

:

Xhafer: the end of the

episode's, supremely

893

:

Ryan: it's a shame because Lee was

the one given the, the, the, the

894

:

saddle here to ride and be like

the hero and be the one who noticed

895

:

the thing when no one else did.

896

:

And for what?

897

:

For what?

898

:

So he can pour some drink on a do dad that

basically does nothing in the episode.

899

:

Like all it does is just make

Dana Delaney a little bit more

900

:

mad, just a little bit more mad.

901

:

Not even a whole bunch

more mad, just a little.

902

:

It's not like she kills someone over it.

903

:

She threatens to kill someone over it.

904

:

Like, so what?

905

:

What's the difference to what it

was like five minutes ago other

906

:

than you made Lee Insufferably dumb?

907

:

Laura: Is this us or is this the show

wanting us to think that Lee's got

908

:

all those principles and whatever,

so he couldn't kill that guy.

909

:

Ryan: That or damn Lee's love for D is so

true that it undermines his ability as a

910

:

wonderful soldier who could save the day.

911

:

Hmm.

912

:

Because he can't help but keep

looking at her when he's like, do

913

:

like he's in charge of the situation.

914

:

He basically has deescalated the

situation and he just can't help but

915

:

keep looking at Dee with loving eyes.

916

:

And then that gives them away.

917

:

Like, is that what they're going

918

:

Laura: I, yeah.

919

:

I just can't, I can't, I

can't get, I can't with this.

920

:

Yeah.

921

:

Yeah.

922

:

I.

923

:

Xhafer: Speaking of, I can't Lee's talking

with them and the uh, oxygen trap goes

924

:

off so that all the alarms are going off.

925

:

Sasha thinks it's a trap, and

then Lee's all like, I don't know.

926

:

Dummy, you fired a gun in a spaceship.

927

:

That's a bad idea.

928

:

My brother in Vallen Lee, you

have fired more guns in spaceships

929

:

than anyone on the show.

930

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

931

:

So he knows better than

anyone else how dangerous

932

:

Laura: I was just glad

the show acknowledged it.

933

:

'cause we've been saying for I don't

know how many episodes now, oh my God.

934

:

All these guns in the tube and the show

went, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

935

:

Ryan: You know, you really, you

936

:

really, yeah.

937

:

You really miss the days

of Babylon five, don't you?

938

:

Where they had like, their very specific

type of guns designed because if you fired

939

:

a real gun in a ship, it would do damage.

940

:

Like Yeah.

941

:

You kind of go, oh, you know what?

942

:

Maybe the PPGs were cool, even

though they were little guns.

943

:

Xhafer: That was the best part

of the Netflix Cowboy Bebop.

944

:

Ryan: That, and when it ended.

945

:

Laura: Roasted.

946

:

Xhafer: I really liked that.

947

:

Anyways, uh Papa Dama here

is talking to Star Bees.

948

:

There are more Marines on the way, but

she calls to let him know, oh, wait.

949

:

Fuck,

950

:

Laura: we talk about the Marines shirts?

951

:

Ryan: Can we talk about all of the

outfits in this as forever and always?

952

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

953

:

Laura: I think all of the Marines are

wearing Hawaiian shirts like Jafer.

954

:

You have not, it's not quite

a Hawaiian shirt, but it's,

955

:

it's got tropical vibes on.

956

:

Xhafer: I'm wearing,

yeah, my oranges shirt.

957

:

This is my gay pirate shirt.

958

:

Um, if you are unaware of the,

our flag means death fandom.

959

:

This is the unofficial crew

uniform from a couple years ago.

960

:

Laura: Okay.

961

:

Yeah, they're, they're rocking

that sort of vibe, all of these

962

:

marines, and I just love it.

963

:

I love that.

964

:

Like we can't go to like a beach

planet anymore because we're on the

965

:

run and all that, but we're gonna

still beach it up on cloud nine.

966

:

Yeah.

967

:

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

968

:

Ryan: Did they pa, did they have that

already packed with them when the

969

:

event of the CACs of Humanity went off?

970

:

Or did, was there like a really,

really successful clothes

971

:

shop at Cloud nine right now?

972

:

That's acing it?

973

:

They're like, yes,

974

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

975

:

Mm-hmm.

976

:

Or these black market shirts.

977

:

Did you have to go to the

black market to get these?

978

:

Ryan: Yeah.

979

:

Xhafer: They actually just

raided my wardrobe from when

980

:

I worked at the produce place.

981

:

Ryan: I can't wait.

982

:

You know, not to spoil anything,

but, you know, I can't wait when the

983

:

series finale is going to be a Life

on a Colony episode and it's about the

984

:

tailor of, of Battlestar Galactica and

like all the different outfits they

985

:

make for Adama and Lee and Rosalyn

and like, he's just constantly like,

986

:

oh God, I've gotta make sure they

don't have pockets in their pants.

987

:

I gotta make sure of that for realism.

988

:

Xhafer: star be's and Adama talk,

she calls to let him know that

989

:

Lee's captured, he's unmoved.

990

:

If they die, they die.

991

:

It's all like, it's, we can't

negotiate with these terrorists.

992

:

So, uh, Sasha doesn't bite when

Adama tells her why she feels

993

:

the way she does and instead just

continues to demand the oxygen line be

994

:

Ryan: Well, you say she doesn't bite.

995

:

She openly weeps and is like,

I'm not crazy now, do what I say.

996

:

That's the same as biting.

997

:

Like he, he has rattled her.

998

:

We, the audience can see it and he can

hear it like he knows it's working.

999

:

She says one thing, but

it's clearly the, the other.

:

00:43:50,105 --> 00:43:54,275

She has this giant speech where she

basically nails down the entire show

:

00:43:54,545 --> 00:44:00,555

where she's like, you stupid fucks You

have been infiltrated from top to bottom.

:

00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:04,335

Are you not worried about like, just one

day a asylum just taking control of a

:

00:44:04,335 --> 00:44:05,985

nuclear device and fucking killing us all?

:

00:44:05,985 --> 00:44:08,535

Like she just like fucking

hammers in the thing.

:

00:44:08,565 --> 00:44:10,485

And you are working with these people.

:

00:44:10,515 --> 00:44:14,175

What for, you know that they

basically killed our entire species.

:

00:44:14,205 --> 00:44:15,705

I don't give a shit about that.

:

00:44:15,735 --> 00:44:16,815

Yeah, they killed my husband.

:

00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:18,345

Yeah, that's someone else they killed.

:

00:44:18,495 --> 00:44:21,225

Like she's got it down pat.

:

00:44:21,255 --> 00:44:23,985

But the show also wants you to be

like, nah, but aren't silence's

:

00:44:23,985 --> 00:44:25,485

all right though, a little bit.

:

00:44:25,515 --> 00:44:27,255

Don't you, don't you feel

like one of them's pregnant?

:

00:44:27,855 --> 00:44:29,835

Isn't that, isn't that very empathetic?

:

00:44:30,255 --> 00:44:32,655

Isn't that very, you know,

doesn't that warm your heart?

:

00:44:32,775 --> 00:44:36,105

'cause she's a mom to be, isn't

that, isn't that emotional?

:

00:44:36,885 --> 00:44:39,675

Xhafer: I can't wait for, I

think it's two episodes from now.

:

00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:45,580

Laura: Yeah, there was definitely a

moment in Adama talking to Sharon, where

:

00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:47,170

she's like, oh, the baby's kicking.

:

00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:49,600

And I was just like, I, Hmm.

:

00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:54,460

Like Sharon keeps doing like a

useful, helpful thing, and then

:

00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:58,390

a very clearly manipulative thing

in the same episode, and I'm like,

:

00:44:58,485 --> 00:45:01,300

Ugh, I can't, I can't get behind it.

:

00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:03,280

'cause of the thing you just did,

:

00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:05,350

Ryan: Well that's been her

character from the beginning,

:

00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,750

like, but how much of it is the show

wants you to believe that she had

:

00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:14,290

been humanized and evolved from that

because she genuinely fell in love

:

00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:19,300

with Hilo and how much of it is they

are playing in the fact that you

:

00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,130

can't, you can't tell which it is.

:

00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:23,500

I don't know because we never

got to see her and Helio's

:

00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:24,760

relationship in season one.

:

00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,370

'cause all they got to do is

climb a ladder and you know,

:

00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:28,900

do jack shit in season one.

:

00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,130

So I can't buy that.

:

00:45:30,145 --> 00:45:31,855

Xhafer: They ran through that sewer.

:

00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:32,680

Ryan: Yeah,

:

00:45:32,815 --> 00:45:33,355

Laura: a sewer.

:

00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:33,595

Yeah.

:

00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:34,060

Ryan: I can't

:

00:45:34,075 --> 00:45:35,305

Xhafer: They hung out in a barn.

:

00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:38,200

Ryan: But it is that thing, like the

show does bank on a lot of these things.

:

00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200

Like you just have to naturally

fill in certain things.

:

00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,410

Like, I hate that Dana Delaney

is given this big speech.

:

00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:51,880

She's completely correct, but she's

being portrayed as just a, she's

:

00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,590

no longer just a grieving person.

:

00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:56,200

She's no longer just a

terrorist, but she's hysterical.

:

00:45:56,710 --> 00:46:00,627

And uh, we don't really have to take

any value in anything she believes in.

:

00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:04,047

And I hate that because although, yeah,

she's a terrorist and she's a bad guy.

:

00:46:04,047 --> 00:46:08,127

I don't like how this show often will

have, like anyone who's a voice of uh,

:

00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:13,243

resistance or opposition to our glorious

characters who are the establishment.

:

00:46:13,243 --> 00:46:14,473

They're probably villains.

:

00:46:15,013 --> 00:46:19,933

Zarik, you know, he, he's a villainous

guy because anytime he says normal things.

:

00:46:20,323 --> 00:46:24,313

He gives an evil smirk and the

music plays sinisterly and like

:

00:46:24,343 --> 00:46:25,903

he's rubbing his hands together.

:

00:46:25,903 --> 00:46:27,313

But what he says is normal.

:

00:46:27,313 --> 00:46:28,873

He's like, we should have democracy.

:

00:46:31,378 --> 00:46:32,638

Ooh, democracy.

:

00:46:33,178 --> 00:46:35,173

Ooh, I'm

:

00:46:35,338 --> 00:46:36,148

Laura: Oh my God.

:

00:46:36,148 --> 00:46:38,038

That's America though right now.

:

00:46:38,038 --> 00:46:38,488

Like,

:

00:46:38,743 --> 00:46:39,103

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:40,993

It was America then.

:

00:46:40,993 --> 00:46:41,683

And it's America

:

00:46:41,713 --> 00:46:46,123

Ryan: and this episode is taking what

is a hostage situation and escalating

:

00:46:46,123 --> 00:46:48,163

in into a terrorist situation.

:

00:46:48,163 --> 00:46:48,913

Very much so.

:

00:46:48,913 --> 00:46:50,683

Like she's here with a political agenda.

:

00:46:50,683 --> 00:46:55,543

It's not just like, oh, I'm doing die hard

where I'm robbing, robbing this place.

:

00:46:55,543 --> 00:46:58,033

Like she has a political agenda in mind.

:

00:46:58,363 --> 00:47:02,053

But the episode doesn't actually want

to tap into what that is because if

:

00:47:02,053 --> 00:47:05,083

you did, it would make you question

more about our main characters.

:

00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:07,033

And they are the establishment

that's in charge.

:

00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:10,933

And we can only have it be questioned

when other members of the establishment

:

00:47:10,993 --> 00:47:16,587

question it because all of the

main characters in BSG uh, power.

:

00:47:16,992 --> 00:47:18,912

None of them are just

regular, normal people.

:

00:47:18,912 --> 00:47:21,912

There is no, there's not many

blue collar folks in this show.

:

00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:22,872

They're all the elite.

:

00:47:22,902 --> 00:47:24,132

They're all the best of the best.

:

00:47:24,132 --> 00:47:27,702

Even Billy, who's like a normal guy,

he's basically the press secretary

:

00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:32,592

of, and isn't it weird that Dana

Delaney doesn't recognize that?

:

00:47:32,922 --> 00:47:35,682

Like if you are her, wouldn't you

immediately go, oh, that's like

:

00:47:35,682 --> 00:47:37,362

the right hand of the president

:

00:47:37,722 --> 00:47:37,992

right

:

00:47:37,992 --> 00:47:38,292

there.

:

00:47:38,337 --> 00:47:39,807

Laura: I wondered the same thing.

:

00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:40,257

Yeah.

:

00:47:40,257 --> 00:47:43,137

I was like, 'cause she's, she's

all freaking out about Ellen Tai

:

00:47:43,137 --> 00:47:47,187

and it's like, does nobody see that

Billy is always standing behind

:

00:47:47,187 --> 00:47:49,857

Rosalyn in the broadcast or whatever?

:

00:47:49,857 --> 00:47:50,697

Like what?

:

00:47:51,102 --> 00:47:54,702

Ryan: But that's the, I think the

ultimate failure of, um, these

:

00:47:54,702 --> 00:47:56,652

Life of the Colony episodes is.

:

00:47:57,582 --> 00:48:02,862

They on purposely in this show wanted

to humanize people outside of our

:

00:48:02,862 --> 00:48:07,272

elite echelon of people, but they just

don't know how to do it very much in

:

00:48:07,272 --> 00:48:11,202

this, I feel like you can feel the

remnants of being Star Trek writers.

:

00:48:11,232 --> 00:48:16,032

'cause Star Trek are always following

like military officer type people.

:

00:48:16,032 --> 00:48:20,172

Often, not always DS nine had its

fair share, but like I feel like it

:

00:48:20,172 --> 00:48:21,612

just, this show is guilty of that.

:

00:48:21,612 --> 00:48:26,382

It's like they know how to write Daddy

dama military man, but they don't

:

00:48:26,382 --> 00:48:31,632

know how to write what just let's just

like normal people who aren't that.

:

00:48:31,632 --> 00:48:33,852

Like what, what do they feel about things?

:

00:48:33,852 --> 00:48:39,612

And it's like, either they're

dumb, insane zealots, infuriatingly

:

00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:42,882

incompetent, or it doesn't matter

what they think and yet this episode

:

00:48:42,882 --> 00:48:45,732

does bring you stuff and it's like,

well you shouldn't take it seriously.

:

00:48:45,762 --> 00:48:48,132

'cause she's just hysterical

and crazy because she's a

:

00:48:48,132 --> 00:48:49,632

woman who misses her husband.

:

00:48:49,632 --> 00:48:52,362

And anything she said about

the establishment doesn't

:

00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:53,352

matter because she's wrong.

:

00:48:54,012 --> 00:48:54,252

It's like.

:

00:48:55,127 --> 00:48:55,287

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:48:55,977 --> 00:48:58,047

Laura: Where's my bow and Mac episode?

:

00:48:58,827 --> 00:48:59,937

I need bow and Mac?

:

00:49:01,855 --> 00:49:05,035

Xhafer: T takes a real hard

line that they can't negotiate

:

00:49:05,035 --> 00:49:07,885

with terrorists, but also Adama.

:

00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,075

You've gotten a little

too close to Sharon.

:

00:49:12,715 --> 00:49:13,005

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,810

Xhafer: Just like, I'll tell you this,

and not the terrorists that they're

:

00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:19,880

right, but they might have a point

:

00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:21,770

Ryan: She's a fracking silent

:

00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:23,960

Xhafer: That's pretty good.

:

00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:24,350

Ryan: man.

:

00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,980

Xhafer: good impression.

:

00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:28,490

Ryan: Um, he's got a point though, right?

:

00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:32,870

Like, is a DMA two in league with Sharon?

:

00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:35,690

Like, is he losing objectivity here?

:

00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:38,840

Is he, because he keeps

justifying it by being like, well,

:

00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,610

military wise it's justified.

:

00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:44,270

What I'm doing and everything that I'm

doing here is on a military level wise.

:

00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:48,500

And then we have Ty, who's also a

military person saying, well, I disagree.

:

00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:50,045

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:50,135 --> 00:49:51,095

I don't like it, bro.

:

00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:57,020

Xhafer: We cut over to Starbuck,

who volunteers to play repairman,

:

00:49:57,335 --> 00:49:57,965

Laura: Of course.

:

00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:00,575

Xhafer: After Lee's work

has proven to be useful.

:

00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,970

They do know that the O2 is fine

and that it's just a sensor issue.

:

00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:08,760

They have that confirmed so they

don't have any actual danger.

:

00:50:09,045 --> 00:50:11,565

Laura: And they're sure it was

Lee, 'cause only Lee's mind

:

00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:12,700

could come up with this thing.

:

00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:14,310

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

:

00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:16,080

We all know Billy's fucking useless.

:

00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:19,230

Ryan: been marvelous if it was

actually Ellen, I came up with it.

:

00:50:20,775 --> 00:50:22,395

Laura: See that's the episode we need.

:

00:50:22,395 --> 00:50:23,985

We need them buddying up with it.

:

00:50:23,985 --> 00:50:26,595

And then Ellen being like, oh,

let me put my drink under here.

:

00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:28,245

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:32,340

Ryan: Nothing can't be

sold with a spicy mug.

:

00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,150

Like Yeah.

:

00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:34,440

That's what she's all about.

:

00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,550

She's just like, nothing.

:

00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:39,840

Everything can be sold for the margarita

and she just dances her way through.

:

00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,110

Yeah.

:

00:50:41,025 --> 00:50:44,625

Laura: I mean, I'm, I'm kind

of coming around on Ellen.

:

00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:45,460

Yeah.

:

00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,060

Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:47,367 --> 00:50:47,787

Xhafer: Uh,

:

00:50:48,897 --> 00:50:51,207

Uck gets in, gets halfway across

the room when they're like, wait,

:

00:50:51,207 --> 00:50:52,797

we should check that toolbox again.

:

00:50:53,127 --> 00:50:55,557

Surprise Double pistols.

:

00:50:56,477 --> 00:50:56,767

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:50:57,042 --> 00:50:59,982

Was who was staring, who was

looking at the box Too much?

:

00:50:59,982 --> 00:51:01,662

Somebody was looking at the box too much.

:

00:51:01,662 --> 00:51:02,442

Was it Lee?

:

00:51:02,982 --> 00:51:03,792

Xhafer: Probably

:

00:51:04,002 --> 00:51:04,962

Laura: why they noticed it.

:

00:51:04,962 --> 00:51:05,832

Somebody was looking

:

00:51:05,892 --> 00:51:06,192

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:51:06,192 --> 00:51:08,742

He, he mistook it for D and

he just kept looking at it.

:

00:51:08,742 --> 00:51:09,042

Yeah.

:

00:51:10,842 --> 00:51:12,672

Xhafer: the box was actually

in the same dress he

:

00:51:12,672 --> 00:51:13,362

was wearing.

:

00:51:13,632 --> 00:51:14,617

It was a big faux pa.

:

00:51:15,162 --> 00:51:17,982

Laura: I wrote that it was Ellen that

Ellen was looking at the box too much.

:

00:51:18,222 --> 00:51:18,732

Ryan: Ah, yeah.

:

00:51:18,732 --> 00:51:21,522

She saw, she saw a long tool

in there and just got happy.

:

00:51:22,062 --> 00:51:23,052

Laura: It was just like, oh,

:

00:51:24,192 --> 00:51:26,322

well this doesn't seem to be

working out with Lee tonight.

:

00:51:26,322 --> 00:51:26,892

So

:

00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:29,172

Ryan: Have you got something

that vibrates in that toolbox?

:

00:51:29,172 --> 00:51:29,262

Hmm.

:

00:51:29,592 --> 00:51:30,162

That's Ellen.

:

00:51:30,192 --> 00:51:33,642

She's constantly thinking about like,

what can I use for my own pleasure?

:

00:51:34,332 --> 00:51:35,412

Oh, what a queen.

:

00:51:35,442 --> 00:51:36,042

Love her.

:

00:51:38,052 --> 00:51:41,482

Xhafer: So Starbucks shoots somebody

she takes out one of the goons.

:

00:51:41,662 --> 00:51:44,542

The goons take out two of the

Marines, and then Starbuck

:

00:51:44,542 --> 00:51:46,762

fucking shoots Lee in the chaos.

:

00:51:48,556 --> 00:51:49,696

Laura: Star bees.

:

00:51:50,026 --> 00:51:51,016

Star bees.

:

00:51:52,396 --> 00:51:53,901

She's supposed to be the sniper too.

:

00:51:54,241 --> 00:51:54,541

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:51:54,781 --> 00:51:55,171

Oh yeah.

:

00:51:56,461 --> 00:51:57,451

Xhafer: If Lee dies in this

:

00:51:57,571 --> 00:51:57,781

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:51:58,171 --> 00:52:01,261

Wouldn't there be the twist

Lee dies at at Billy's phone?

:

00:52:04,576 --> 00:52:04,846

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:06,136 --> 00:52:07,756

What kind of fallout would we have?

:

00:52:07,816 --> 00:52:10,696

Because I, I have a feeling there's

gonna be some sort of fallout

:

00:52:10,696 --> 00:52:13,006

from mommy's adopted son dying.

:

00:52:13,036 --> 00:52:14,896

So what if daddy's real son had died?

:

00:52:14,896 --> 00:52:15,166

I don't

:

00:52:15,486 --> 00:52:15,906

Ryan: mm-hmm.

:

00:52:16,096 --> 00:52:16,546

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:17,336 --> 00:52:21,176

Xhafer: Sasha closes the door as Starbuck

and the Surviving Marine make it out.

:

00:52:21,686 --> 00:52:26,066

Dee rushes to Lee and

even Billy helps out here.

:

00:52:26,366 --> 00:52:29,666

My notes say real Lanier incel energy.

:

00:52:30,866 --> 00:52:31,466

Laura: Oh,

:

00:52:31,496 --> 00:52:32,876

I thought it was genuine.

:

00:52:33,566 --> 00:52:38,426

Ryan: It feels real because he, he

doesn't just immediately go over there.

:

00:52:38,666 --> 00:52:41,906

Like he is like having people

point guns at him and like, he

:

00:52:41,906 --> 00:52:45,086

slowly stands up and is like, Hey,

I didn't tell you to stand up.

:

00:52:45,266 --> 00:52:46,286

I love that line delivery.

:

00:52:46,286 --> 00:52:47,486

That was such a good line delivery.

:

00:52:47,486 --> 00:52:48,386

The guy, I just said it so bad.

:

00:52:48,446 --> 00:52:49,796

I, I didn't tell you to stand up buddy.

:

00:52:49,801 --> 00:52:52,676

And, and just Billy

does the ultimate thing.

:

00:52:52,676 --> 00:52:55,436

This is how you know he is not gonna be

around any longer because he actually

:

00:52:55,436 --> 00:52:56,816

has points of view that makes sense.

:

00:52:57,176 --> 00:53:01,136

Um, and that he has strong convictions

when usually he's a very meek man.

:

00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:05,036

He's just like, Hey, do you know what

the fuck's gonna go on if that guy dies?

:

00:53:05,186 --> 00:53:07,526

So I'm gonna go over there

and just, Dana Delaney's just

:

00:53:07,526 --> 00:53:09,116

like, yeah, he's, he's correct.

:

00:53:09,116 --> 00:53:09,836

You should do that.

:

00:53:10,621 --> 00:53:10,911

Laura: Yeah,

:

00:53:10,916 --> 00:53:11,366

yeah.

:

00:53:11,636 --> 00:53:13,226

He said it really convincingly.

:

00:53:13,226 --> 00:53:13,406

Yeah.

:

00:53:13,436 --> 00:53:13,706

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:53:13,736 --> 00:53:17,186

Xhafer: yeah, I read the moment

of hesitation, not necessarily

:

00:53:17,186 --> 00:53:21,326

related to the gun on him, which I

probably should have in retrospect.

:

00:53:21,326 --> 00:53:26,096

As you bring it up, it makes a lot more

sense and more of a, do I wanna do this?

:

00:53:26,861 --> 00:53:27,851

Laura: No, I didn't

:

00:53:28,031 --> 00:53:31,481

Ryan: If they did do that, they

didn't have enough groundwork for it

:

00:53:31,481 --> 00:53:36,491

to even make much sense other than

like, boys be jealous, which sucks.

:

00:53:36,491 --> 00:53:40,181

Like the linear thing as much as

we don't like it, that was like

:

00:53:40,181 --> 00:53:45,611

five seasons of, of like, well, you

know, that's a thing that exists.

:

00:53:46,061 --> 00:53:49,841

This would be like, Hey, by the way, Billy

just found out two scenes ago and now

:

00:53:49,841 --> 00:53:52,091

he would do, this would be fucking wild.

:

00:53:52,886 --> 00:53:56,936

Laura: Yeah, and I mean, I think he

has respected Lee, but up until, you

:

00:53:56,936 --> 00:53:59,966

know, he sort of had this bombshell

dropped on him, like he saw Lee

:

00:53:59,966 --> 00:54:04,016

make some decisions and, and stand

against his father and, and stand with

:

00:54:04,016 --> 00:54:06,476

Rosalyn on things that were difficult.

:

00:54:07,016 --> 00:54:09,296

Billy was there the whole

time, like, I think he does

:

00:54:09,296 --> 00:54:10,646

have some respect for the man.

:

00:54:10,646 --> 00:54:14,276

And so, yeah, I, I read

it as very genuine.

:

00:54:15,491 --> 00:54:18,941

Xhafer: Star Beast tells Papa Dama that

Lee's been hit and she thinks it was her.

:

00:54:19,511 --> 00:54:21,401

Dee and Billy tried to save Lee.

:

00:54:21,791 --> 00:54:27,341

As Adama talks to Sharon, she admits she

won't turn over any silence in the fleet.

:

00:54:28,152 --> 00:54:31,212

Laura: I mean, if she hadn't until

now, like why, what do you think

:

00:54:31,272 --> 00:54:34,632

she's gonna change her mind now?

:

00:54:34,692 --> 00:54:34,992

I, I

:

00:54:35,007 --> 00:54:36,597

Xhafer: Well, he might not have asked.

:

00:54:36,897 --> 00:54:38,787

That would, I mean that, I

would think that would be the

:

00:54:38,787 --> 00:54:39,927

first thing you would ask.

:

00:54:40,377 --> 00:54:43,857

But the way he phrases it is like,

if I were to ask, would you tell me.

:

00:54:44,772 --> 00:54:49,332

Which implies that he hasn't

asked, which is also fucking weird.

:

00:54:49,702 --> 00:54:50,992

Ryan: Yeah, but I get it though.

:

00:54:51,172 --> 00:54:57,112

Um, but at the same time, um, I took

it very much as that was his ultimatum.

:

00:54:57,112 --> 00:55:01,522

Like, okay, you want to say that

we are in a trusting relationship.

:

00:55:01,552 --> 00:55:02,122

Would you tell me.

:

00:55:02,662 --> 00:55:03,292

No, I wouldn't.

:

00:55:03,322 --> 00:55:03,622

Okay.

:

00:55:03,622 --> 00:55:04,252

That's where we're are.

:

00:55:04,252 --> 00:55:07,312

Then like he puts it on her like,

you are the one that's halting

:

00:55:07,312 --> 00:55:09,172

the dynamic here, so fuck you.

:

00:55:09,662 --> 00:55:10,022

Great.

:

00:55:10,022 --> 00:55:10,742

Move on his part.

:

00:55:10,742 --> 00:55:14,582

Like just, he's got, you know, he,

he's, he, you know, he's big dicker.

:

00:55:14,642 --> 00:55:15,362

That's what he's doing.

:

00:55:15,362 --> 00:55:16,472

He says, I'm big dicking you.

:

00:55:16,592 --> 00:55:17,942

I'm, I'm Daddy Adama.

:

00:55:17,942 --> 00:55:18,782

Do you know who I am?

:

00:55:19,292 --> 00:55:21,152

A lot of Dodo who I am in this episode.

:

00:55:21,452 --> 00:55:26,432

I loved the scene of Starbuck talking

on the radio about how she shot

:

00:55:26,432 --> 00:55:28,562

Lee and that it was friendly fire.

:

00:55:28,592 --> 00:55:31,262

I thought it was the standout

scene of the episode.

:

00:55:31,262 --> 00:55:32,732

I thought the acting was great.

:

00:55:32,732 --> 00:55:37,442

I thought it was a nice kind of like,

almost guilt trip callback to like how

:

00:55:37,442 --> 00:55:40,232

she's already killed one Adama previously.

:

00:55:40,232 --> 00:55:43,712

She's felt, you know, like she's felt

responsible for that in the past.

:

00:55:43,712 --> 00:55:45,812

So like you could just

see it in the acting.

:

00:55:45,812 --> 00:55:48,542

They don't make an explicit

line, but if you think about her

:

00:55:48,542 --> 00:55:52,382

character, like if she killed Lee,

that would fucking destroy her.

:

00:55:52,382 --> 00:55:55,142

So I, I thought she gave a

really great performance and

:

00:55:55,142 --> 00:55:56,432

it's such a shame because like.

:

00:55:56,927 --> 00:56:01,187

On paper this moment, that

would be a standout in like an

:

00:56:01,367 --> 00:56:04,757

or a great episode, but it's in

amongst a really messy episode.

:

00:56:04,757 --> 00:56:09,017

And you just have to remember, oh yeah,

there was that episode where Billy died

:

00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:13,397

and Dana Delaney was there, and that

was the episode two where they kind

:

00:56:13,397 --> 00:56:16,187

of have like this really great acting

moment where they kind of play on the

:

00:56:16,187 --> 00:56:19,157

fact that like Starbuck would feel

guilty if she killed Lee because she's

:

00:56:19,157 --> 00:56:22,667

already had guilt about being responsible

for an Adama death in the past.

:

00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:25,997

So, but it's like it's in

this episode, it's in this

:

00:56:26,097 --> 00:56:26,517

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:56:27,092 --> 00:56:32,057

Xhafer: It's in this one, and I

haven't watched the next one yet.

:

00:56:32,792 --> 00:56:37,322

But I don't think the story

lingers on this for long enough.

:

00:56:37,382 --> 00:56:41,702

If I, if it goes down at the speed, I

remember going it down, but it's been

:

00:56:41,702 --> 00:56:43,262

a while, so I might be misremembering.

:

00:56:43,262 --> 00:56:44,942

We'll talk about it next

episode if that's the

:

00:56:45,092 --> 00:56:50,162

Laura: I mean, having seen like the

weirdness of the ladies in their

:

00:56:50,162 --> 00:56:52,982

treatment in black market, I would

totally believe you if you're like,

:

00:56:52,982 --> 00:56:54,182

yep, this never comes up again.

:

00:56:56,854 --> 00:57:01,084

Xhafer: Rosalyn and Adama talk about

Sasha's manifesto that has been

:

00:57:01,084 --> 00:57:05,554

sent out to the press conspiracy

theories about CYS in the military.

:

00:57:05,794 --> 00:57:11,944

And Ty is so fucking dismissive about how

there could not possibly be any silences

:

00:57:11,944 --> 00:57:17,554

in the military for a guy that watched

one of his crew shoot his best friend.

:

00:57:18,064 --> 00:57:23,104

Like, how can he, of all people say this,

:

00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:24,979

Ryan: Great question, huh?

:

00:57:26,209 --> 00:57:28,069

Like it's, I don't have an answer for you.

:

00:57:28,249 --> 00:57:29,209

It is mystifying.

:

00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:30,619

I, my joy hit the floor at that.

:

00:57:30,619 --> 00:57:31,309

I was like, wait, what?

:

00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,579

Him Of all people, of all people.

:

00:57:34,579 --> 00:57:37,909

Like if it was Gator perhaps,

or if you know like any.

:

00:57:38,114 --> 00:57:38,404

Xhafer: Even

:

00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:40,219

Ryan: Even Adama.

:

00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:43,699

'cause he's kind of like had

this emotional journey with like

:

00:57:43,729 --> 00:57:46,099

how he feels about silences,

even though he got shot by one.

:

00:57:46,099 --> 00:57:48,409

Like he's had that moment like

where he connected with the,

:

00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:52,099

the dead body of Sharon, which

comes back up in this episode.

:

00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:57,199

Like even though like you have that, what

has Ty had that Nothing with vitriol.

:

00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:02,089

He hates, he said she's a

fracking silent like a scene ago.

:

00:58:02,539 --> 00:58:03,589

Why is he like, wow.

:

00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:03,979

It's,

:

00:58:04,009 --> 00:58:06,349

Xhafer: It, and he doesn't,

he still hasn't gotten to,

:

00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:08,509

she, it's, it's a fracking

:

00:58:08,509 --> 00:58:11,959

Ryan: yeah, it's a silent, he Why would

he, why would he, why would he have

:

00:58:11,959 --> 00:58:17,449

doubts about if the, why isn't he he

more conspiratorial as like an offset to

:

00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:21,229

Adama and Rosalyn who seemed pretty lax.

:

00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:24,289

I, I know they're still worried about

it, but like in comparison, he should

:

00:58:24,289 --> 00:58:26,959

be the guy who's a lot more like,

we should really look into this.

:

00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,539

Why the fuck do we trust

our bolt tub motherfucker?

:

00:58:30,019 --> 00:58:31,579

He did that once in the show.

:

00:58:31,669 --> 00:58:32,539

Like early on.

:

00:58:32,539 --> 00:58:33,619

He was earlier in this season.

:

00:58:33,619 --> 00:58:36,079

He is like, ah, fuck it Bolt

are, that was like, oh, whatever.

:

00:58:37,324 --> 00:58:37,864

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:58:37,914 --> 00:58:41,964

'Cause we know at this point that

the CY detector didn't fucking work.

:

00:58:42,024 --> 00:58:46,104

So all the people that we've cleared

in Galactica, like not cleared,

:

00:58:46,254 --> 00:58:51,174

like, So yeah, he should be more worried

about this, but I think he can't face it.

:

00:58:51,714 --> 00:58:57,859

I think he like can't accept that

he could be vulnerable in this way,

:

00:58:58,484 --> 00:59:01,119

Xhafer: Yeah, he, he almost gets there.

:

00:59:01,419 --> 00:59:04,929

He says, what if the terrorists are right?

:

00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:10,779

Which for:

:

00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:12,459

Laura: big.

:

00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:14,529

Xhafer: big push.

:

00:59:15,129 --> 00:59:16,119

Wow.

:

00:59:16,179 --> 00:59:19,479

I was completely aghast that

this line was on television

:

00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:20,279

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:20,709

Xhafer: time.

:

00:59:21,999 --> 00:59:24,639

And I mean I was watching this

show at the time and it just

:

00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,859

went right over at the time.

:

00:59:26,859 --> 00:59:31,149

'cause I feel like I would've really

staked out for this in particular back

:

00:59:31,149 --> 00:59:31,509

then.

:

00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,229

escha calls to kill a few more people,

but Adama acquiesces and crosses

:

00:59:38,229 --> 00:59:40,279

that negotiating with terrorist line.

:

00:59:41,209 --> 00:59:48,119

And I think I've gone on this rant before

when we did our Babylon five coverage, the

:

00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:50,729

whole negotiating with terrorists line.

:

00:59:51,189 --> 00:59:54,339

But I'm just gonna take a minute

to remind everyone that this

:

00:59:54,369 --> 00:59:57,009

comes from, you know, we do not

negotiate with terrorists this hard.

:

00:59:57,189 --> 00:59:58,149

This is Ronald Reagan.

:

00:59:58,539 --> 01:00:00,219

You know, this is:

:

01:00:00,339 --> 01:00:01,779

Unless we forget.

:

01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,369

Fucking Ronnie Reagan here,

who famously negotiated with

:

01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:09,819

terrorists to help get himself

elected in the fucking first place.

:

01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:10,979

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:13,539

Xhafer: Fucking drives me fucking wild.

:

01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:17,229

That like the, I mean, they call

it the Reagan doctrine of this No

:

01:00:17,229 --> 01:00:20,949

Negotiating with Terrorists thing,

and he's the one who fucking delayed

:

01:00:20,979 --> 01:00:25,359

the release of the Iranian hostages

during his election against Jimmy

:

01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:28,179

Carter to weaken his position and

help him win that fucking election.

:

01:00:30,009 --> 01:00:34,149

I'm not gonna get into it anymore if I

didn't get into this heavily last time.

:

01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:35,429

Google the October surprise.

:

01:00:35,429 --> 01:00:38,519

Y'all just, just go dig in.

:

01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:41,579

I'd say have fun, but

you're just gonna get

:

01:00:41,579 --> 01:00:42,119

angry.

:

01:00:42,314 --> 01:00:47,174

Ryan: that's the thing about a lot of

American media, especially from this time.

:

01:00:47,549 --> 01:00:50,969

It doesn't understand the

complexities of what you're saying.

:

01:00:50,969 --> 01:00:53,639

It takes it at the face value of like,

yeah, we don't negotiate with terrorists.

:

01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:58,169

Terrorists are bad and they're evil

and there's no point of value in

:

01:00:58,169 --> 01:01:00,569

anything ever said by terrorists at all.

:

01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:01,679

Um, ever.

:

01:01:01,709 --> 01:01:04,319

Terror, war terror, war

on terror, all of that.

:

01:01:05,069 --> 01:01:06,239

The BSG stuff.

:

01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:09,649

Like, that's what's interesting

to me about watching it not only

:

01:01:09,649 --> 01:01:13,249

not being American, but also just

rewatching it in a modern lens as well

:

01:01:13,249 --> 01:01:19,669

of like how well and how poorly it

handles being this nine 11 era show.

:

01:01:19,699 --> 01:01:23,599

Because like you look at it's

counterparts like Stargate, how it

:

01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,646

started to shift, or star Trek with

enterprise as well as like obvious

:

01:01:27,646 --> 01:01:30,016

shows like 24 and, and things like that.

:

01:01:30,016 --> 01:01:32,686

Like how is American

media responding to it?

:

01:01:32,746 --> 01:01:39,956

And what annoys me about something like

this is, there's this air of like, we

:

01:01:39,956 --> 01:01:41,666

are above it 'cause we are intellectual.

:

01:01:42,731 --> 01:01:46,001

We aren't falling into the trap

'cause we are really smart.

:

01:01:47,261 --> 01:01:53,201

And are they smart enough to not fall

into the same fever pitch mentality

:

01:01:53,201 --> 01:01:56,951

That was very much gripping the

nation and the world at that time.

:

01:01:56,951 --> 01:01:58,601

Are they, I don't know.

:

01:01:59,201 --> 01:02:01,331

There are many times where

I go, I don't think you are.

:

01:02:01,331 --> 01:02:05,081

But the show does have this

sense of like, well, we're smart

:

01:02:05,081 --> 01:02:06,191

people who are writing this.

:

01:02:06,191 --> 01:02:08,141

And, um, we are commenting on things.

:

01:02:08,171 --> 01:02:08,471

Hmm.

:

01:02:08,501 --> 01:02:11,261

We, we say we, we don't negotiate

with terrorists, aren't we?

:

01:02:11,471 --> 01:02:13,691

Perhaps meaning it not in the true sense.

:

01:02:13,691 --> 01:02:15,611

And it's like, yeah, but I

don't believe you sometimes.

:

01:02:15,671 --> 01:02:16,781

So I just don't.

:

01:02:16,796 --> 01:02:17,036

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:02:18,521 --> 01:02:18,971

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:02:19,661 --> 01:02:21,371

Xhafer: It feels patronizing for sure.

:

01:02:22,031 --> 01:02:26,291

Um, especially given they say they

don't do the thing because then

:

01:02:26,291 --> 01:02:28,331

they'll have to do the thing and

then they're like, well, we're gonna

:

01:02:28,331 --> 01:02:30,371

do it, but I'm going to trick you.

:

01:02:31,001 --> 01:02:31,541

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:02:31,841 --> 01:02:33,071

I'm gonna be sneaky.

:

01:02:33,641 --> 01:02:34,091

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:02:34,091 --> 01:02:37,421

And it's just like, this

does feel, you brought up 24.

:

01:02:37,421 --> 01:02:39,671

This feels very Jack Bowery to me.

:

01:02:40,211 --> 01:02:44,321

This feel like this little, oh,

we'll send over the, the wrong body.

:

01:02:44,681 --> 01:02:49,241

You know, the whole switcheroo

thing feels very 24 to me.

:

01:02:50,261 --> 01:02:51,521

But yeah, so that's exactly what happens.

:

01:02:51,521 --> 01:02:55,661

And Dom is all like, fine, I'm gonna

send over Sharon's body because I've,

:

01:02:55,691 --> 01:02:59,621

you're, you're right, I've been betrayed

and I'm gonna go kill her right now.

:

01:03:00,851 --> 01:03:01,961

You don't get to do that.

:

01:03:01,961 --> 01:03:05,501

I get to do that because I'm

the one that's being toyed with,

:

01:03:05,996 --> 01:03:09,206

Laura: Well, and I mean, I think

he's got a a, a good point though,

:

01:03:09,206 --> 01:03:12,596

like that if I send her to you,

she's too dangerous for you.

:

01:03:12,596 --> 01:03:14,186

Like you're not gonna be able to kill her.

:

01:03:14,216 --> 01:03:17,786

'cause these Cy are like super

strong and super fast and shit.

:

01:03:17,876 --> 01:03:20,636

So like what is Sasha gonna do with that?

:

01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:24,626

Like her, and she's got her husband's

brother, I think, and then some

:

01:03:24,626 --> 01:03:27,746

other guy like, what are you guys

gonna do with a fracking silent?

:

01:03:27,746 --> 01:03:30,056

Ryan: We, we haven't even mentioned,

but like one of the guys she has

:

01:03:30,056 --> 01:03:33,806

is like the clearly, oh geez, I

don't believe in what we are doing.

:

01:03:33,806 --> 01:03:37,046

I'm constantly sweating and I'm

in this, I'm hunched over all

:

01:03:37,046 --> 01:03:38,576

the time because I'm a piss weak.

:

01:03:38,576 --> 01:03:41,876

An that also undermines the

point that we are not here for

:

01:03:41,876 --> 01:03:43,676

any actual ideological reasons.

:

01:03:43,676 --> 01:03:47,276

We just miss this one, dude,

that the, that we, the audience

:

01:03:47,276 --> 01:03:49,016

will never know who that guy was.

:

01:03:49,616 --> 01:03:50,006

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:03:50,006 --> 01:03:51,236

He's like the shaky gun

:

01:03:51,476 --> 01:03:51,626

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:03:51,626 --> 01:03:55,136

Shaky G Scoop.

:

01:03:55,526 --> 01:03:55,856

Yeah.

:

01:03:59,433 --> 01:03:59,723

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:00,103 --> 01:04:00,643

So, uh.

:

01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:05,472

they uh, they send over the body

and of course it's fucking Boomer.

:

01:04:06,552 --> 01:04:10,902

And part of me believes session

knew immediately that it was Boomer.

:

01:04:11,052 --> 01:04:11,412

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:04:11,412 --> 01:04:13,962

But she's like, plays it so dumb.

:

01:04:14,322 --> 01:04:17,772

Xhafer: Well, I think she's just, I

think she's supposed to be caught up in

:

01:04:17,772 --> 01:04:21,192

the emotion of finally getting to like

a venture husband, because that's the

:

01:04:21,192 --> 01:04:22,842

crazy card they've been playing the entire

:

01:04:23,082 --> 01:04:23,712

Laura: this body

:

01:04:23,712 --> 01:04:23,862

is

:

01:04:23,862 --> 01:04:24,337

so dead.

:

01:04:24,582 --> 01:04:25,002

Xhafer: dumb.

:

01:04:25,002 --> 01:04:26,772

It's so, she it's so dead.

:

01:04:27,147 --> 01:04:28,377

Laura: It's months dead.

:

01:04:28,602 --> 01:04:29,202

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:29,922 --> 01:04:30,221

Yeah.

:

01:04:30,327 --> 01:04:32,846

Laura: guess it's a silent

and whatever, but maybe they,

:

01:04:32,846 --> 01:04:34,797

maybe they look less dead at

:

01:04:34,857 --> 01:04:35,277

months

:

01:04:35,377 --> 01:04:35,977

Ryan: they stink

:

01:04:36,102 --> 01:04:38,352

Xhafer: frozen in the mortgage.

:

01:04:38,352 --> 01:04:40,721

Maybe they might stink less.

:

01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:47,562

Um, it's clearly been drained of blood

because one, you can tell, but also like

:

01:04:47,772 --> 01:04:55,212

when she shoots the body, there's nothing,

there's like two little holes and nothing.

:

01:04:56,112 --> 01:04:58,452

And it's just like, I feel like.

:

01:04:59,096 --> 01:05:04,047

She has to know because even goon goon

squad over here is just not like, oh,

:

01:05:04,047 --> 01:05:06,867

well that's clearly a months old body.

:

01:05:06,867 --> 01:05:07,197

What the

:

01:05:07,602 --> 01:05:09,432

Ryan: They've done an autopsy

on it for fuck's sake.

:

01:05:10,346 --> 01:05:10,797

Xhafer: right.

:

01:05:11,277 --> 01:05:13,407

Like, where did they have time to do this?

:

01:05:13,602 --> 01:05:14,572

Laura: well, I think, yeah.

:

01:05:15,507 --> 01:05:15,957

Xhafer: yeah.

:

01:05:16,317 --> 01:05:20,846

And it's like, I think she knows and she

just can't, she just has to accept that

:

01:05:20,846 --> 01:05:22,257

this is the closest she's gonna get.

:

01:05:22,257 --> 01:05:23,637

And she takes the opportunity.

:

01:05:23,712 --> 01:05:30,122

Ryan: anyone should know, it's Dana

Delaney star of body of Proof, a crime

:

01:05:30,122 --> 01:05:31,982

show in which she played a mortician.

:

01:05:32,432 --> 01:05:37,952

Um, anyone should know it's Dana

Delaney, that this is a very dead

:

01:05:37,952 --> 01:05:39,832

body that's already been autopsied.

:

01:05:39,862 --> 01:05:40,012

If

:

01:05:40,012 --> 01:05:40,822

anyone, it's

:

01:05:41,167 --> 01:05:44,917

Xhafer: at the beginning of the

fucking episode in the notes, it's

:

01:05:45,307 --> 01:05:48,397

Sharon dies, another Sharon shows up.

:

01:05:48,457 --> 01:05:49,867

There's two Sharons.

:

01:05:50,077 --> 01:05:51,157

It's a salon.

:

01:05:51,157 --> 01:05:54,187

And like it's literally

on the fucking board,

:

01:05:54,437 --> 01:05:54,937

Ryan: this is the

:

01:05:54,967 --> 01:05:56,317

Xhafer: she has

:

01:05:56,377 --> 01:05:58,837

Ryan: This is the frustration on paper.

:

01:05:59,407 --> 01:06:02,017

You can see why this episode got made.

:

01:06:02,017 --> 01:06:05,017

There's a lot of like, oh, if you

wrote it a certain way, this would

:

01:06:05,017 --> 01:06:10,112

be a really engaging ent, enrolling,

you know, white knuckled affair.

:

01:06:10,567 --> 01:06:16,596

But they sacrifice lots of integrity and

the intelligence, as mentioned before,

:

01:06:16,596 --> 01:06:21,007

of characters new and old, to get to

the end point that they need to get to.

:

01:06:21,007 --> 01:06:23,707

And so here we are talking about

this stuff, but let's be real.

:

01:06:23,827 --> 01:06:25,507

The writer never thought about this.

:

01:06:25,567 --> 01:06:28,627

They just were like, ah,

Adamo does a clever thing.

:

01:06:28,777 --> 01:06:29,317

What's that?

:

01:06:29,346 --> 01:06:30,817

Ah, he just uses the old body.

:

01:06:30,846 --> 01:06:31,927

We can bring that back in.

:

01:06:32,227 --> 01:06:32,677

And that's it.

:

01:06:33,187 --> 01:06:33,846

That's where it ends.

:

01:06:34,728 --> 01:06:36,558

Xhafer: well, that's almost where it ends.

:

01:06:37,108 --> 01:06:39,808

They bring the body in, of

course it's boomer, the two

:

01:06:39,808 --> 01:06:41,338

bullets, et cetera, et cetera.

:

01:06:42,328 --> 01:06:46,368

Billy when they realize what's going

on, marines are moving into position.

:

01:06:47,868 --> 01:06:50,238

Billy sees everything

that's about to go down.

:

01:06:50,598 --> 01:06:55,248

He pulls a gun and tries to

shoot someone to save Dee.

:

01:06:55,938 --> 01:07:02,928

As the Marines kill all the terrorists,

Billy gets shot, and then as a medic runs

:

01:07:02,928 --> 01:07:10,668

in Adama actively pulls the medic who

is heading towards Billy to come safely.

:

01:07:11,598 --> 01:07:14,418

I dunno if anyone else caught

that, but it's, it's, I mean, it's

:

01:07:14,418 --> 01:07:16,338

very, it's kind of in the bag.

:

01:07:16,338 --> 01:07:20,508

I don't know how, if, if I'm reading

into it too much, but it time was

:

01:07:20,508 --> 01:07:24,498

all like medic here now as they

were on their way towards Billy.

:

01:07:25,038 --> 01:07:28,218

Ryan: It's this interesting choice

acting wise or direction wise is um.

:

01:07:30,003 --> 01:07:31,293

Edward James almost.

:

01:07:31,503 --> 01:07:34,893

He never looks at Billy's dead

body throughout this episode.

:

01:07:35,193 --> 01:07:36,423

He never looks at it.

:

01:07:37,203 --> 01:07:39,723

It, he always goes back turned.

:

01:07:39,903 --> 01:07:43,413

Even in this moment, it's

never, he never interacts.

:

01:07:43,443 --> 01:07:44,793

I don't know what that means.

:

01:07:45,393 --> 01:07:47,103

I dunno what they're

trying to go for with that.

:

01:07:47,103 --> 01:07:49,323

But it is something, I noticed

it because it was just like,

:

01:07:49,353 --> 01:07:51,093

oh, this feels very specific.

:

01:07:51,153 --> 01:07:52,083

They're making a choice here.

:

01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:53,073

And I noticed that too.

:

01:07:53,643 --> 01:07:57,183

I like the shot of, um, Dana

Delaney unfortunately does not

:

01:07:57,183 --> 01:07:58,797

make it to the end of this episode.

:

01:07:58,797 --> 01:08:00,447

Um, she, she, she gets killed.

:

01:08:00,447 --> 01:08:02,187

Um, sad about that.

:

01:08:02,187 --> 01:08:04,613

Uh, Wouldn't she have been a

great guest recurring star?

:

01:08:05,153 --> 01:08:05,448

Um, but

:

01:08:05,903 --> 01:08:06,973

Laura: Throw her in the BRI with

:

01:08:07,228 --> 01:08:08,813

Ryan: she had to be,

yeah, she had to be on

:

01:08:09,038 --> 01:08:10,918

Xhafer: I mean, she, she could have been.

:

01:08:11,063 --> 01:08:11,483

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:08:12,008 --> 01:08:12,788

Oh, Winky.

:

01:08:12,788 --> 01:08:13,028

Yeah.

:

01:08:13,238 --> 01:08:19,478

But, um, she, she's, her body is shot

and she's laying on top of the, the

:

01:08:19,478 --> 01:08:23,917

corpse of, of Boomer, and it's like this

glorious shot of like, ah, do you see?

:

01:08:24,398 --> 01:08:27,577

She, she, you know, she died

and she's on top of the person

:

01:08:27,577 --> 01:08:28,598

that she kind of wanted to kill.

:

01:08:28,658 --> 01:08:28,808

Huh.

:

01:08:28,898 --> 01:08:30,308

Little bit of dramatic irony there.

:

01:08:30,337 --> 01:08:30,518

Hmm.

:

01:08:30,577 --> 01:08:32,707

And it just kind of moves

on and I'm like, sure.

:

01:08:35,167 --> 01:08:39,473

Xhafer: We'll linger here for

exactly 10 seconds and then move on.

:

01:08:40,848 --> 01:08:44,087

I mean, they had to give Mary

McDonald time here in the morgue

:

01:08:44,087 --> 01:08:47,508

to earn her Women's Image Network

award for outstanding lead

:

01:08:47,508 --> 01:08:49,968

actress in a drama series:

:

01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:50,957

So,

:

01:08:51,768 --> 01:08:52,098

Laura: it is.

:

01:08:52,608 --> 01:08:54,348

I think it's very good.

:

01:08:54,408 --> 01:08:55,247

Xhafer: no, no, no.

:

01:08:55,247 --> 01:08:57,258

That's, no, she legit won an award.

:

01:08:57,408 --> 01:09:01,337

Like, that's not me being pedantic,

that's a thing that happened.

:

01:09:01,337 --> 01:09:05,568

She did win an award for this season

of Battlestar Galactica, and I, I do

:

01:09:05,568 --> 01:09:10,348

think this scene's part of it they're

in the morgue and she's adama's

:

01:09:10,377 --> 01:09:15,388

over Sharon and she's standing over

Billy, who was attending to Billy

:

01:09:15,788 --> 01:09:16,268

Ryan: Mm,

:

01:09:16,268 --> 01:09:18,368

Laura: She like, she does the little thing

:

01:09:18,398 --> 01:09:20,048

with like a lock of his hair.

:

01:09:20,228 --> 01:09:20,798

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

01:09:21,457 --> 01:09:21,667

yeah.

:

01:09:21,667 --> 01:09:23,528

Fixes his hair one last time.

:

01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:25,058

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:09:25,898 --> 01:09:28,087

And he said it was a calculated risk.

:

01:09:28,957 --> 01:09:30,398

Another very loaded phrase.

:

01:09:30,948 --> 01:09:31,278

You know,

:

01:09:31,818 --> 01:09:34,788

because that's how they've justified

so many things in the past.

:

01:09:34,788 --> 01:09:37,997

Like there was this brilliant moment

where Dana Delaney's like, oh, Lee

:

01:09:37,997 --> 01:09:39,138

wouldn't actually pull the trigger.

:

01:09:39,138 --> 01:09:42,858

Like, bitch Lee has taken a calculated

risk and like one of the first episodes

:

01:09:42,858 --> 01:09:44,898

where he let possibly many people die.

:

01:09:44,898 --> 01:09:50,926

So, uh, Lee's Lee's Lee's capable,

but uh, yeah, he, um, Adama says,

:

01:09:50,926 --> 01:09:54,002

yeah, it was a calculated risk and

Rosalyn doesn't think it was worth it.

:

01:09:54,391 --> 01:09:56,431

Laura: She says it wasn't worth it.

:

01:09:56,821 --> 01:09:57,541

Oh.

:

01:09:57,781 --> 01:10:02,911

I'm like, oh, are we turning around

on some of these ideas that we had?

:

01:10:03,151 --> 01:10:03,301

Yeah.

:

01:10:04,066 --> 01:10:09,616

Just when Billy like grew up

because like he, he managed to

:

01:10:09,616 --> 01:10:11,446

get the gun from the shaky goon.

:

01:10:11,446 --> 01:10:17,686

And you think about like Billy who

was terrified trying to hold the gun

:

01:10:17,776 --> 01:10:22,996

when we were being chased through

the hall by silence and fucks it up.

:

01:10:23,716 --> 01:10:29,386

And instead he like wrestles this

goon for his gun and gets it and

:

01:10:29,431 --> 01:10:31,921

Ryan: And he, and he does

take out the, the other guy.

:

01:10:31,951 --> 01:10:33,481

That guy also takes Billy out.

:

01:10:33,481 --> 01:10:35,941

Like it's a, you know, they

take each other out, but he does

:

01:10:35,941 --> 01:10:37,981

successfully get the other guy too.

:

01:10:38,641 --> 01:10:41,131

And he does save people,

but he dies himself.

:

01:10:41,341 --> 01:10:45,781

I really love, um, the simplicity of

this scene as well, like very little is

:

01:10:45,781 --> 01:10:50,071

said, like the line that, you know, she

says as well of like, he, he was young.

:

01:10:51,121 --> 01:10:54,871

It was so young, and that just like the

break in her voice and you just feel it.

:

01:10:54,871 --> 01:10:55,861

You're like, oh, man.

:

01:10:56,806 --> 01:10:57,256

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:10:58,186 --> 01:10:59,806

He was originally like what?

:

01:10:59,806 --> 01:11:01,276

The secretary for?

:

01:11:01,276 --> 01:11:03,286

The Secretary of Education.

:

01:11:03,346 --> 01:11:03,826

Right.

:

01:11:03,916 --> 01:11:06,046

He was just like her assistant.

:

01:11:07,006 --> 01:11:07,726

Wow.

:

01:11:08,476 --> 01:11:14,206

So young and just so like not

originally prepared for any of

:

01:11:14,206 --> 01:11:14,656

this.

:

01:11:15,016 --> 01:11:15,526

Any of it.

:

01:11:15,806 --> 01:11:16,226

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:11:18,221 --> 01:11:20,871

We get two shots before this episode ends.

:

01:11:20,871 --> 01:11:25,596

We get one of Dee at Lee's bedside

as he wakes up for a moment.

:

01:11:26,461 --> 01:11:28,621

Starbuck is lurking in

the background here.

:

01:11:29,581 --> 01:11:29,871

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:11:30,226 --> 01:11:31,031

Go away Beck.

:

01:11:32,071 --> 01:11:32,311

Ryan: But

:

01:11:32,566 --> 01:11:35,476

Xhafer: she's, she did shoot

Lee, she knows she shot Lee.

:

01:11:35,716 --> 01:11:36,346

So,

:

01:11:36,481 --> 01:11:39,451

Ryan: yeah, she sees, oh,

I wanna see if Lee's okay.

:

01:11:39,451 --> 01:11:40,591

But then she sees, oh no.

:

01:11:40,591 --> 01:11:41,521

Lee's in love.

:

01:11:42,549 --> 01:11:42,699

Uh.

:

01:11:42,774 --> 01:11:43,193

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:48,309

Ryan: Oh, and then she like

just slinks out of the room.

:

01:11:48,309 --> 01:11:48,999

All sad.

:

01:11:48,999 --> 01:11:50,559

Like I'm like, ah, whatever.

:

01:11:51,984 --> 01:11:52,464

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:11:53,619 --> 01:11:54,189

Ryan: sure.

:

01:11:54,234 --> 01:11:55,794

Xhafer: not care about Anders right now?

:

01:11:56,649 --> 01:11:58,929

Ryan: Uh, oh fuck, I forgot about Anders.

:

01:11:58,929 --> 01:12:00,369

How can I forget about Anders?

:

01:12:00,369 --> 01:12:05,649

Oh, every seed should have been characters

asking Where's Hilo and Anders during it?

:

01:12:05,649 --> 01:12:06,489

Like, where's Hilo?

:

01:12:06,489 --> 01:12:07,239

Where's Anders?

:

01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:11,889

The two most interesting characters of

the show where, you know, Ella t should

:

01:12:11,889 --> 01:12:13,754

have been like, where's my Beefcakes?

:

01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:16,014

Laura: Oh Yeah.

:

01:12:16,674 --> 01:12:16,794

Xhafer: I

:

01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:18,144

Laura: We needed Hilo there.

:

01:12:18,954 --> 01:12:22,854

Xhafer: I think Hilo would have

something very interesting perspective

:

01:12:22,854 --> 01:12:27,774

wise to add to the conversations in

CNC where they're like, they want what?

:

01:12:28,134 --> 01:12:32,454

No, we don't ne negotiate with terrorists

and to take the hard line for the opposite

:

01:12:32,454 --> 01:12:34,224

reason of everyone else in the room.

:

01:12:34,499 --> 01:12:34,884

Laura: No, no, no.

:

01:12:35,693 --> 01:12:39,264

I want Hilo on cloud nine with Sasha.

:

01:12:39,834 --> 01:12:40,193

That's

:

01:12:40,193 --> 01:12:40,524

what I

:

01:12:40,568 --> 01:12:40,809

Ryan: that.

:

01:12:41,574 --> 01:12:41,964

Xhafer: Mm.

:

01:12:42,144 --> 01:12:42,474

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:12:42,474 --> 01:12:43,794

I want him in that room.

:

01:12:44,064 --> 01:12:47,424

Ryan: Because he, she wants

to kill his baby mama.

:

01:12:48,144 --> 01:12:49,734

So what's his opinion on that?

:

01:12:49,794 --> 01:12:52,193

And his opinion would be

like, gosh, that's not good.

:

01:12:53,304 --> 01:12:54,024

I'm hero.

:

01:12:54,594 --> 01:12:55,314

That's not good.

:

01:12:57,144 --> 01:12:57,564

Don't do that.

:

01:12:59,724 --> 01:13:02,604

Xhafer: Uh, and then

right before credits Yeah.

:

01:13:02,604 --> 01:13:07,924

We get one shot of Sharon laying in

the bed mimicking the corpse of Boomer.

:

01:13:08,974 --> 01:13:09,394

Yeah.

:

01:13:09,484 --> 01:13:10,474

And that's the episode

:

01:13:10,594 --> 01:13:11,554

Ryan: Very ominous.

:

01:13:11,674 --> 01:13:13,984

Like, they frame it very

ominous, but then they have this

:

01:13:13,984 --> 01:13:15,629

choice of uh, it fades to white

:

01:13:16,538 --> 01:13:17,498

Xhafer: instead of black.

:

01:13:17,618 --> 01:13:18,463

Ryan: Mm mm-hmm.

:

01:13:18,638 --> 01:13:19,538

On her face.

:

01:13:19,568 --> 01:13:19,958

Like this

:

01:13:20,183 --> 01:13:23,093

Laura: like the white sheet

you cover the corpse with, or

:

01:13:23,648 --> 01:13:23,978

Ryan: Oh yeah.

:

01:13:23,978 --> 01:13:26,798

Maybe I took it as like, again,

like the religiosity of the show.

:

01:13:26,798 --> 01:13:28,808

It felt very angelic, like very divine.

:

01:13:28,808 --> 01:13:29,438

Like Woo.

:

01:13:29,438 --> 01:13:30,878

And the music, you know how the music

:

01:13:30,878 --> 01:13:31,568

is in this show.

:

01:13:32,168 --> 01:13:33,308

Ooh.

:

01:13:33,758 --> 01:13:35,077

But she doesn't look thrilled,

:

01:13:35,903 --> 01:13:37,253

Laura: No, it was very creepy.

:

01:13:37,253 --> 01:13:38,452

I was like, uhoh,

:

01:13:38,452 --> 01:13:38,673

Ryan: but.

:

01:13:39,383 --> 01:13:41,843

You see the prominence

of her bump as well.

:

01:13:42,173 --> 01:13:43,702

Like they linger on that too.

:

01:13:43,702 --> 01:13:48,623

Like that is something there, there's

some, something to that image there that,

:

01:13:48,623 --> 01:13:52,103

I don't know what, but it's just, it does

hit you like, okay, they're mimicking the

:

01:13:52,103 --> 01:13:56,783

dead body of the other one, but this one's

pregnant and just, and they're alive.

:

01:13:56,843 --> 01:14:00,323

But I dunno, it's, it's, it is effective.

:

01:14:00,323 --> 01:14:02,457

But it uh, choices were

made in this episode.

:

01:14:02,457 --> 01:14:03,747

Lots of choices were made.

:

01:14:04,407 --> 01:14:05,037

Laura: Yes.

:

01:14:05,037 --> 01:14:05,457

Yes.

:

01:14:05,457 --> 01:14:09,837

And I, I find it so interesting

these last couple of episodes

:

01:14:09,837 --> 01:14:12,987

where we have the actual bump

considering for like, for so long.

:

01:14:12,987 --> 01:14:15,027

I was like, she can't, she's not pregnant.

:

01:14:15,027 --> 01:14:16,047

Like there No.

:

01:14:16,977 --> 01:14:18,957

And now we're like really

progressing with it.

:

01:14:18,957 --> 01:14:21,387

I'm like, well I guess I'm

supposed to buy into it now.

:

01:14:22,077 --> 01:14:22,707

Yeah.

:

01:14:22,887 --> 01:14:24,777

I don't know if we're getting

a baby out of this though.

:

01:14:24,837 --> 01:14:26,097

I'm, I just don't know.

:

01:14:26,942 --> 01:14:29,312

And where was Gais Baltar this episode?

:

01:14:29,852 --> 01:14:31,922

He's pretty invested in that baby.

:

01:14:32,132 --> 01:14:33,122

Ryan: is probably masturbating.

:

01:14:34,172 --> 01:14:34,472

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:14:34,502 --> 01:14:35,252

Laura: you're probably right.

:

01:14:36,032 --> 01:14:37,112

God, he sucks.

:

01:14:37,742 --> 01:14:37,922

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:14:38,267 --> 01:14:41,387

Ryan: sweating profusely,

pulling at his collar.

:

01:14:42,302 --> 01:14:43,322

Xhafer: so much.

:

01:14:44,177 --> 01:14:44,867

Ryan: Buggy eyes.

:

01:14:44,867 --> 01:14:45,017

Yeah.

:

01:14:45,971 --> 01:14:46,871

Xhafer: So that's the episode.

:

01:14:47,371 --> 01:14:50,431

on a scale of one to 12, how

do we feel about this one?

:

01:14:51,145 --> 01:14:52,405

Laura: Guests get to go first,

:

01:14:52,570 --> 01:14:53,350

Xhafer: That's the rule.

:

01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:54,535

Ryan: One to 12.

:

01:14:55,495 --> 01:14:56,125

Hmm.

:

01:14:56,290 --> 01:14:56,890

Xhafer: colonies is

:

01:14:56,965 --> 01:14:57,265

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:14:57,865 --> 01:14:58,345

Four.

:

01:14:59,141 --> 01:14:59,951

Xhafer: a four.

:

01:15:00,386 --> 01:15:00,776

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:15:00,776 --> 01:15:04,586

It's a, it's not because

it has the potential.

:

01:15:04,961 --> 01:15:10,451

To be better, but it, it whiffs it

so much and it's very messy in terms

:

01:15:10,451 --> 01:15:14,111

of how it handles the characters, but

also like the messaging and the themes.

:

01:15:14,111 --> 01:15:20,651

And like, this show wants to tackle these

very deep themes and it wants to talk

:

01:15:20,651 --> 01:15:24,491

about the political state of the world

within the show and within the real world.

:

01:15:24,491 --> 01:15:29,141

But then it also doesn't want to,

and it feels very disingenuous to me.

:

01:15:29,681 --> 01:15:33,821

I load the fact that it makes

characters do dumb things.

:

01:15:33,821 --> 01:15:35,201

So we get to dumb places.

:

01:15:35,201 --> 01:15:39,581

But also, like I said, the Dana, Dana

Delaney's here, she's a good actress.

:

01:15:39,581 --> 01:15:43,541

She's well like cast in this role,

but it's also like a thankless role.

:

01:15:43,541 --> 01:15:46,001

It's just like, and the villain

this week is a terrorist.

:

01:15:46,001 --> 01:15:48,671

And you're like, okay, that'll be

interesting actually, is just a hysterical

:

01:15:48,671 --> 01:15:50,591

woman who's grieving for her husband.

:

01:15:51,161 --> 01:15:52,241

And that's it.

:

01:15:52,246 --> 01:15:53,651

It is like, um, okay.

:

01:15:53,711 --> 01:15:54,641

Oh, Billy died.

:

01:15:55,331 --> 01:15:57,821

Oh, Billy died in that episode.

:

01:15:58,601 --> 01:16:01,961

To a nothing plot that like,

it's just very strange.

:

01:16:01,961 --> 01:16:06,521

Like when a main character dies in a

show, often they're usually like a big

:

01:16:06,521 --> 01:16:09,941

event thing or like they mean more,

there's something more hefty to them.

:

01:16:09,941 --> 01:16:10,691

But let's be real.

:

01:16:10,691 --> 01:16:14,291

When you get to the end of the season,

will you think of this episode as

:

01:16:14,291 --> 01:16:16,091

one of the big ones of the season?

:

01:16:16,691 --> 01:16:19,571

Probably not, other than Billy dies in it.

:

01:16:19,991 --> 01:16:20,681

That's about it.

:

01:16:20,681 --> 01:16:23,291

Like it's that choice and

the rest of it is there.

:

01:16:24,256 --> 01:16:24,616

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:16:25,098 --> 01:16:30,648

Laura: I think one of the, the rating

systems I used to kind of figure out

:

01:16:30,768 --> 01:16:35,148

things when we were doing Babylon

five was like, if, if we can rewrite

:

01:16:35,238 --> 01:16:40,218

a bunch of things and it becomes more

interesting in our head, then I don't

:

01:16:40,218 --> 01:16:42,018

know, maybe it's not a very good episode.

:

01:16:42,681 --> 01:16:45,771

Those were usually like our

Babylon ones and twos and whatever.

:

01:16:46,221 --> 01:16:50,331

And I feel bad because I have been

like just up at the top of this

:

01:16:50,331 --> 01:16:54,681

whole rating scale the whole time,

and I think I gave my lowest this

:

01:16:54,681 --> 01:16:56,751

week at a seven for black market.

:

01:16:56,781 --> 01:16:57,351

Ryan: Seven

:

01:16:58,221 --> 01:16:58,791

Laura: I know.

:

01:16:59,271 --> 01:16:59,751

Yeah.

:

01:16:59,991 --> 01:17:02,181

But I, I felt, it felt, it feels weird.

:

01:17:02,751 --> 01:17:09,861

But I certainly don't think, I, I think

I'm, I'll give this a seven because I

:

01:17:09,861 --> 01:17:11,361

know that's the same as black market.

:

01:17:11,361 --> 01:17:12,921

Black market was not as good as this one.

:

01:17:12,921 --> 01:17:15,571

I would, I don't know if I could retro.

:

01:17:15,691 --> 01:17:18,091

It's, it's weird when you haven't

seen the whole series yet.

:

01:17:18,091 --> 01:17:19,561

It's hard to rate everything.

:

01:17:19,891 --> 01:17:20,431

Xhafer: Fair enough.

:

01:17:20,818 --> 01:17:23,968

Laura: cause you don't know, like,

the context of what's coming.

:

01:17:24,448 --> 01:17:30,538

But yeah, I, I, throughout this episode,

you know, you suggested what if we have

:

01:17:30,538 --> 01:17:35,728

the buddy movie with Ellen and Lee,

like doing some shenanigans on these

:

01:17:35,838 --> 01:17:38,468

uh, hijackers or these hostage shakers.

:

01:17:39,148 --> 01:17:41,008

what if we put Hilo in that room?

:

01:17:41,008 --> 01:17:45,178

Like, those things sound very

interesting to me, so I, I

:

01:17:45,178 --> 01:17:48,058

just can't give it much more.

:

01:17:48,358 --> 01:17:48,628

Yeah.

:

01:17:49,123 --> 01:17:51,883

Xhafer: I mean, I think this is

definitely a better episode than

:

01:17:51,883 --> 01:17:54,213

black market but not by much.

:

01:17:54,433 --> 01:17:57,133

I'm gonna, I think I put

black market at a four,

:

01:17:57,598 --> 01:17:57,748

Laura: You

:

01:17:57,883 --> 01:18:04,032

Xhafer: uh, I think I'm gonna

throw this at a five and a half.

:

01:18:04,093 --> 01:18:05,113

We'll say six.

:

01:18:05,623 --> 01:18:06,553

We'll say six.

:

01:18:06,553 --> 01:18:09,583

I want space in between

them for something later.

:

01:18:10,804 --> 01:18:11,104

Laura: Yeah,

:

01:18:11,989 --> 01:18:14,148

Xhafer: so yeah, we'll say six.

:

01:18:15,263 --> 01:18:15,803

Okay.

:

01:18:16,163 --> 01:18:18,663

Well, that's the episode.

:

01:18:19,113 --> 01:18:20,733

Ryan, thanks so much for joining us.

:

01:18:20,763 --> 01:18:24,243

Why don't you tell the

lovely people listening where

:

01:18:24,243 --> 01:18:26,193

they can find more of your,

:

01:18:27,116 --> 01:18:27,806

Ryan: Stuff.

:

01:18:28,675 --> 01:18:30,175

Xhafer: I was gonna say rambling, but

:

01:18:30,476 --> 01:18:31,406

Ryan: Wow.

:

01:18:31,406 --> 01:18:33,175

You, but you, you, you're halted.

:

01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:37,856

Look, I have conspiracies that

are also factually correct.

:

01:18:37,916 --> 01:18:39,296

Um, over on

:

01:18:39,341 --> 01:18:41,291

Laura: I can see your conspiracy wall

:

01:18:41,351 --> 01:18:41,831

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:18:41,891 --> 01:18:43,361

Yeah, it's all there.

:

01:18:43,781 --> 01:18:47,021

What you can't see is all the

pictures of you guys with red yarn

:

01:18:47,021 --> 01:18:51,181

attached, and it's this like con

and pictures of JMS and Ronald D.

:

01:18:51,181 --> 01:18:57,101

Moore and Gary Cole and all of

these people, Peter Woodward,

:

01:18:57,101 --> 01:18:57,851

you know, all of them.

:

01:18:58,331 --> 01:19:04,021

But my wife Rachel and I, we have a

podcast called Yum Yum podcast in which

:

01:19:04,021 --> 01:19:06,331

we talk about science fiction television.

:

01:19:06,691 --> 01:19:07,861

Very much like you guys.

:

01:19:08,251 --> 01:19:11,131

We have rewatched, some

shows like Babylon five.

:

01:19:11,131 --> 01:19:14,431

We have gone through shows for

the first time, like The Expanse.

:

01:19:14,911 --> 01:19:17,881

We cover Star Trek discovery.

:

01:19:17,881 --> 01:19:18,811

We did all of that.

:

01:19:18,811 --> 01:19:19,036

We've had.

:

01:19:19,376 --> 01:19:23,843

You guys on as guests at several

points uh, during the podcast.

:

01:19:23,843 --> 01:19:29,153

So there are episodes with both of you

on, and, um, those are very delightful.

:

01:19:29,452 --> 01:19:32,483

Um, there are certain episodes it's

like, oh boy, if we could record

:

01:19:32,483 --> 01:19:34,133

it again, wouldn't that be fun?

:

01:19:35,303 --> 01:19:35,963

Day of the Dead?

:

01:19:36,202 --> 01:19:43,343

But we are currently going through

Killjoys the uh, science fiction series

:

01:19:43,390 --> 01:19:49,103

that follows a bunch of uh, rogues and

bounty hunters as they stumble across

:

01:19:49,103 --> 01:19:51,803

a larger intergalactic conspiracy.

:

01:19:51,803 --> 01:19:56,782

And it's very fun, very enjoyable, lots

of insane character actors, Canadians,

:

01:19:56,843 --> 01:19:59,903

and like lots of very over the top action.

:

01:19:59,903 --> 01:20:04,913

And uh, it, it's a show that looks

like it isn't as good as it is.

:

01:20:04,943 --> 01:20:07,403

Like it's one of those ones where

it's very de like, there's a lot

:

01:20:07,403 --> 01:20:10,013

of deception of like, oh, it looks

like it's just a schlocky show.

:

01:20:10,013 --> 01:20:10,403

But then.

:

01:20:10,948 --> 01:20:13,768

It gets a little bit more complicated,

a little bit more, and then before

:

01:20:13,768 --> 01:20:16,348

you know it, you're like, holy

shit, this is a really complex show.

:

01:20:16,348 --> 01:20:19,798

So we're watching that and

talking about that at the moment.

:

01:20:19,798 --> 01:20:25,348

So Yum Yu podcast available on all of the

podcasting sites around You can find us.

:

01:20:25,677 --> 01:20:26,127

Laura: Love it.

:

01:20:26,573 --> 01:20:28,043

Xhafer: Thanks again for joining us, Ryan.

:

01:20:28,043 --> 01:20:29,273

It's always a pleasure to have you on.

:

01:20:29,383 --> 01:20:33,733

Always really enjoy your perspective

on things, and you also make me more

:

01:20:33,733 --> 01:20:35,532

critical of the episode that I'm watching

:

01:20:35,743 --> 01:20:36,763

every single time.

:

01:20:37,063 --> 01:20:41,763

I, I probably should be but maybe

I'm just a sucker for enjoying tv.

:

01:20:41,763 --> 01:20:42,393

Sometimes

:

01:20:42,528 --> 01:20:42,948

Ryan: fault.

:

01:20:43,308 --> 01:20:43,698

I

:

01:20:43,728 --> 01:20:44,628

came on.

:

01:20:44,928 --> 01:20:51,108

Look, my, my goal is to come onto

this podcast and convince everyone

:

01:20:51,138 --> 01:20:56,208

that Ellen ties just, just a

magnificently fun character that brings

:

01:20:56,208 --> 01:20:59,418

joy every time she appears on the

screen and doesn't deserve the hate.

:

01:20:59,448 --> 01:20:59,988

And uh,

:

01:20:59,988 --> 01:21:03,048

Laura: Look, she didn't bother me

this time, and, and I'm starting to

:

01:21:03,048 --> 01:21:05,358

like come around to the, the fact that

:

01:21:05,358 --> 01:21:05,718

like,

:

01:21:05,913 --> 01:21:06,243

Xhafer: it time.

:

01:21:06,827 --> 01:21:09,918

Laura: well, so some of these

things that I have with Ellen

:

01:21:09,918 --> 01:21:13,008

Tai, it's more about like.

:

01:21:13,668 --> 01:21:18,258

Like these things usually are, it's more

about me than it is about Ellen T It's

:

01:21:18,258 --> 01:21:23,478

like I'm dealing with some like baggage

of societal expectations of women of a

:

01:21:23,478 --> 01:21:25,698

certain age and, and things like that.

:

01:21:25,698 --> 01:21:29,327

And so like I'm working through

some shit by watching Ellen Tai.

:

01:21:29,327 --> 01:21:31,248

It's very interesting over here.

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01:21:31,388 --> 01:21:35,193

Ryan: And then meanwhile you have like

guys Bullar and Liama popping up on the

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screen being like, we are dickheads too.

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Pay attention to us.

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Xhafer: You're right.

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You are dickhead.

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Laura: love this show.

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Thank you for being here.

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Xhafer: We got a little

bit of that next episode.

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We got season two, episode 17.

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The Captain's hand Apollo assists

in the search for a missing Raptor

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01:21:55,827 --> 01:22:01,498

team as the new commander of the

Pegasus grows increasingly unstable.

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Laura: Oh no, not another unstable

person in charge of the Pegasus.

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Xhafer: Just, just wait.

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Laura: Okay,

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Ryan: Interesting episode.

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Laura: great.

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Cool.

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Love it.

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Xhafer: I, I am, I'm really like, I don't

wanna like, set expectations at any level.

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I will be dealing with the next episode

to get to episode 18 of this season

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because it's the one I have been

waiting to have a conversation with

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you, with Laura for probably six months.

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Laura: Wow.

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Okay.

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I'm excited.

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Xhafer: No pressure.

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I mean, it's no Pegasus

but well, we'll get there.

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Anyways, before we do get there, we of

course have to say a couple of thank yous.

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Hey, Jeremy Siegel.

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Jeremy Siegel, 40 two.amp.com.

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Thank you so much for

composing our theme music.

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We appreciate the hell out of it,

and we appreciate the hell outta you.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And we appreciate the hell out

of our podcast Artwork by Angry

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Duck time machine on Instagram.

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01:23:04,373 --> 01:23:04,693

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:23:04,963 --> 01:23:07,423

Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this podcast.

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It's a thankless job because

I don't say thank you enough.

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So here's one more for the record books.

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Thank you.

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Ryan: It is a thankless job,

but somebody's gotta do it.

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Xhafer: I mean, probably

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Laura: Hey, you know listener,

if you wanna thank Aaron, just

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come on over to the Discord.

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01:23:28,963 --> 01:23:29,803

He's there.

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He'll see your thank you.

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And he'll get, he'll have a little smile.

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I

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Xhafer: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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01:23:36,313 --> 01:23:38,923

Hop on over to Discord, join

the conversation over there.

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01:23:39,173 --> 01:23:42,563

You know, if you feel like leaving

a five star rating or just sharing

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01:23:42,563 --> 01:23:44,903

the podcast with your friends,

we appreciate all that too.

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01:23:44,903 --> 01:23:45,383

Laura: We do.

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01:23:45,443 --> 01:23:45,833

Yeah.

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Xhafer: Thanks for choosing to

spend an hour, 20 minutes or so with

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01:23:51,173 --> 01:23:52,403

us, whatever this ends up being.

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01:23:53,213 --> 01:23:54,413

Uh, and uh, we'll see you next week.

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Internet.

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Laura: Bye.

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Ryan: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.