Episode 184

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Published on:

13th Aug 2025

BSG S2E17 - Dr. Rex Cervixx, Space Gynecologist

Laura and Xhafer discuss housekeeping preferences and pitch a new medical sci-fi show. Xhafer does the math, again. Laura continues to accuse everyone of being a Cylon. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 17: The Captain's Hand.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hey listener, quick content warning.

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This is the episode of Battlestar

Galactica, where the ban abortion,

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it is not the main plot, but it

is something we will be discussing

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as it occurs in the episode.

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So if you don't want to hear about

abortion getting banned for, I don't

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know, reasons, gestures broadly

to everything, that's perfectly

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fucking reasonable right now.

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Don't even worry about it.

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We'll catch you next week.

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Laura: I just wanna throw out that

Jair gave you the surfer hands,

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like it's that cool with us.

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Go ahead.

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We'll see you next time.

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Xhafer: cool.

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It's fine.

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Laura: Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of former

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strangers who are now friends watching

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I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: And I am Jair and I got a little

story to tell before we get into this

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episode because I absolutely, I, I I, I,

I bodied a dude today with a joke for the

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people unfamiliar with the entomology.

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I don't mean adding to the

body count, which is sleeping

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with someone because of a joke.

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Laura: That'd be a pretty good joke

though if he was like, hell yeah.

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Go.

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Xhafer: yeah, I mean,

that'd be a good joke.

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I mean, like dropping somebody,

like when you body someone,

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you, you cause them to fall.

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And this dude was laughing so hard.

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He physically fell,

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Laura: People don't do that all the time.

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I feel like that's me all the time.

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Xhafer: laughing.

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False.

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Laura: Nobody is having as

much fun as me over here.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, so I, I was doing some prep for

the pending vacay here that we've

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: In a couple.

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Yeah.

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When this episode drops, I

think we'll be back already.

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Yeah, we'll be back already.

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But as we record, we are preparing

to leave for a group vacation.

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Very excited.

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It's gonna be myself and Beth Ben

and Glow from last time on in.

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Cool girls, Laura, Erin, assorted

children, assorted other friends that

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are not in the podcasting network.

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And we're all gonna hang

out in a cabin for a week

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: a big pool and we're just

gonna hang out and chill with the big

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old group of us in this big old house.

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I'm really looking forward to it.

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Laura: I am so looking forward to

it, not just for the friendship,

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which I know there will be plenty

of, but also your temperatures

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sound so much better than mine.

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Xhafer: It's been raining here all day.

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It was storming like maybe

20 minutes ago, so that is

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responsible for a bit of the drop.

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It's 72 out here right now.

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Laura: That sounds glorious.

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I don't even get that at 5:00 AM anymore.

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Xhafer: the, that's gonna

be us most of next week.

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We've been in the nineties

up here for a couple of days.

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It's gonna drop down.

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It'll be in the seventies probably

for most next week it looks like.

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Should be fucking perfect.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I'm so excited.

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Xhafer: But anyways, so

I was doing some prep.

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Part of this prep is getting a couple

of cards I need for a commander deck.

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'cause some of the people

come in play magic.

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So I'm getting a commander deck

together to play with them and I go in

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and I'm talking to a couple of guys.

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I walk into the store, right?

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And the guy behind the counter is just

all like, oh, hey man, welcome back.

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And I'm all like I don't,

I mean, it's been a while.

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You know, I, I, last time I was

in this store was like two and

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a half magic sets ago, probably.

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So, you know, it's been a,

it's been a number of months.

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He's like, no, you were

here earlier today.

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And I'm just like, no, I wasn't.

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I promise.

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And he's just like, he's a

little embarrassed, right?

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And I'm like, it's, you know, it's fine.

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You know?

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I'm sure I just look at him.

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I'm sure lots of white dudes with

glasses and beards and podcasts walk

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in here looking for magic cards and,

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Laura: though,

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Xhafer: and he's laughing, right?

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Like, oh, ha ha ha.

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That's funny because it's true.

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And podcasts, ha ha.

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But the dude next to him

behind the counter is like.

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Wheezing, like from the, and podcast,

like literally he is like podcast,

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like laughing so hard that he actually

lost control and fell to the ground.

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Laura: so question, did he have

glasses and a beard and a podcast?

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Xhafer: I don't know about the podcast.

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Um, there were definitely, I mean like

to set the scene properly the, um, the

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guy who was wheezing was a skinnier

gentleman who really didn't have

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facial hair but glasses mostly bald.

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Um, the, the person I was choking with

was I, I think this is, you know, I

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feel like I'm allowed to say this.

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A

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: if you're familiar.

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Laura: Oh yeah, I've heard.

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I've heard the

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Xhafer: I, I have, I have lots of

friends who self-identify as blurred.

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I don't feel like it's particularly

offensive or, or offensive at all, to be

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh, But it's

definitely not my word.

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Um, so I treat it with caution.

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But it's funny because a, another person

called him out for being racist after

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that as well, which was also very funny.

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Um, yeah, that's my day.

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Laura: I've been uh, just losing my mind

over trying to get my house ready to

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let somebody else live in it for a week.

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Xhafer: I feel like we've

talked about this before.

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Um, oh, you, you've got someone full

on house sitting the whole time.

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Laura: Yes, yes.

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Xhafer: I am like, obsessive about

cleaning my house because the last thing I

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want to do is come home to a dirty house,

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Laura: true.

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That's like the benefit for me of

having another person come stay at my

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house and like, so my mother-in-law

doesn't have to deal with like,

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coming over to take care of the cats.

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Someone's just here to take

care of the cats, you know?

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but unexpected side benefit is if I

clean everything for that person so

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that they have a not terrible time,

then I get home and it's clean.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: So I have been looking

forward to that, like in the back

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of my head, like, you're gonna

come home and it's gonna be nice.

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Xhafer: it's gonna be

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Laura: gonna be so nice.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I am.

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I am very much looking forward

to just everything I got.

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I got a little bit of clean to do.

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It's not too bad, Things are going well,

but I'm very excited for this trip.

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Laura: me too.

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Xhafer: You know what?

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I'm not excited about.

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Laura: Ah, this episode.

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Xhafer: This episode?

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I don't, I don't, it's not a bad episode.

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Um, it's

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Laura: we don't like the things

that happen in this episode.

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Xhafer: lot happens in this episode and a

lot of it makes me want to yell at the tv.

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Laura: Yes.

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I did yell at the tv, in

fact, and I, I've watched it.

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Yeah, I watched it last night

and I've probably thought about

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it off and on all day since

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Yeah.

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so, at the beginning here Ryan

warned us last week that this was

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a particularly egregious use of the

uh, the changes in the last time on.

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Laura: yes.

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The Captain's hand pulls some tricks.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I don't recall Gina telling Gais that he

was gonna have to run against Rosalyn.

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Laura: I did not either.

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Aaron is, Aaron was pretty sure

when we were watching it and

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he was like, that didn't happen

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and you know, I can't Google it to make

sure, but he seemed pretty certain.

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So

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I also don't remember the scene with Adama

and Ty promoting oh God, not guest Garner.

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Thank you to Commander.

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Laura: I didn't remember it either.

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And again, Aaron was pretty

sure it did not happen.

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I did not Google.

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But yeah, so we had like three

scenes in the, previously on

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for season two episode 17.

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We have Lee getting shot, which obviously

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Xhafer: we saw that.

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Laura: Yes, noted.

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But then uh, Gina telling Baltar

that he needs to run against Rosalyn

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: in the election.

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And then Aaba telling

Ty Garner got command.

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Those two outta three did not happen.

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Xhafer: It's

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Laura: fun.

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I mean, we, we kind of knew like

from context that someone else had

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gotten command of Pegasus, right?

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We just didn't have a name on that person.

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So that, that was like no news there.

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And with Gais, we kind of, no,

he's up to some shitty shenanigans.

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So

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Xhafer: like you could tell me that

that audio was from a scene with six pt

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: and I would believe it

more that it happened and I, they

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Laura: more than the Gina

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Xhafer: more than the GINA instructions.

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I,

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Laura: Yeah, I'm trying to remember what

our conversation, even with Gina was.

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I mean, I know that I remember vividly

him upsetting her, trying to like, make

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out with her when she was not into it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but did they even talk

about Rosalyn in front of us?

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: So, uh.

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we opened on a Raptor training

exercise in a very pretty Nebula.

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Their gata is named Hoshi, and this

motherfucker looks just like a Vulcan.

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I tried to get a good picture of it,

but I couldn't get a good picture of

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his haircut because the shading and

stuff just didn't take a good picture.

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But he has that Vulcan haircut.

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Hoshi does.

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Laura: he has that bad Vulcan

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haircut.

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This guy, it's so bad, guys.

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When I say bad Vulcan haircut,

you know which one I mean, right?

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Yeah.

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You do.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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This is in strange new world's hair.

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Laura: No.

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Unfortunate.

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But this Nebula boy, it's

fucking with communications

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not good.

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Xhafer: Speaking of fucking, we cut

over to the pilot's bunk interspersed

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with this as this uh, ship is having

trouble with its communications,

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and we see, did we decide on a name?

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Leady?

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Dama.

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DLDE.

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Did we, did we pick one of those?

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Laura: I, I liked what you

just threw at me deland.

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That was cute.

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Xhafer: Deland.

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Okay.

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Laura: Too bad.

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We've never actually called him Leland.

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Like no one has ever called him that.

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Right.

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Xhafer: I had no idea that was his name

until I was reading shit online, so

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Laura: you think, do you think

Daddy Adama should have thrown

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out a Leland once in a while?

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Like Leland, something Adama.

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Xhafer: Congratulations, Leland.

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Perfect time.

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Laura: Perfect.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What the fuck?

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No, dealing is kind of cute.

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Um, what, what else did

that was pretty funny.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: if this is going to continue to

be a going concern, I'm sure we'll come

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up with something, but I just wanna

go on the record that I don't love it.

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Xhafer: Well just wait.

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Laura: yeah,

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She's giving me big silent energy.

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I don't know anything about do

all on that front, but like.

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Xhafer: Laura, not everyone

on the show is a silent,

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like,

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Laura: you see me today in the Discord?

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I made what I thought

was a very funny joke.

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Xhafer: uh, You did, you did today.

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Uh.

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Laura: I, I don't know.

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I know not everyone on the show is a

silent, but like something about her

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whole, when she's no longer in her like

military outfit with her hair pulled

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back whenever she's like doing the

loose hair thing, the free flowing.

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I don't know.

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I'm just like, Hmm, I don't like it.

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Xhafer: You're taking a bold strategy

with the cylon predictions here.

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Laura: By just accusing everyone.

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Xhafer: I, I mean, it's like,

it's, um, it's like a reverse.

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Mitch McConnell, like, you know,

like Mitch McConnell, A broken

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clock is right twice a day.

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He gets one every once in a while

That makes you go Mitch McConnell.

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Got it.

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It's the exact opposite, like a

spinning clock is occasionally correct.

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Laura: Yes,

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Xhafer: feel like that's your

approach to these cylon predictions.

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Laura: No, no.

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I mean, I'm suspicious of everyone.

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Right.

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But,

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Xhafer: Literally everyone.

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Laura: Anders is definitely a asylum.

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That's, that's no questions.

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I will never back off of that one.

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Xhafer: that's fine.

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You can have

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Laura: Everyone else kind

of floats in and out.

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Anders definitely is, and Baltar

definitely isn't that, that's

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the two hills that I'll die on.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: Yeah.

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No, but so they've been getting busy.

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Xhafer: yeah, they'd be fucking,

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Laura: but.

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When we open the scene, Lee's gunshot

wound in his shoulder is very visible

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'cause we're super naked and it

looks so like recent and fresh.

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I was like, we should

probably not be doing that.

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Doctor has probably not

cleared us for this doc.

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Coddle probably wants

you to be taking it easy.

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Xhafer: I feel like, like

I, I mean I love Doc Coddle.

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I've been saying that for a long time.

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This episode doubles that down for me.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, and I feel like we miss a lot

by dot Coddle not being in a Babylon five

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or a Star Trek where he can treat people

with egregious alien related sex injuries.

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Laura: Oh my God, yes.

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Xhafer: I want that just a TV show.

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Laura: he's looking at Sinclair's

list and he is like, God damnit man.

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No, I think we've just found it.

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Jair.

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I think we need to write this

show like Space Sex Doctor.

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Xhafer: I'm just,

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just like, like what?

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We need a good doctor name, right?

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For the title.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, what's a good doctor name?

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What's a good sexy space?

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Doctor name?

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I feel like Rex is good.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Two Xs though.

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Xhafer: Sure.

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Oh, of course.

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Yeah.

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Maybe three.

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Um, you know, like Dr.

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Rex something Space Gynecologist.

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That's the name of the show.

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We need a last name here.

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Listener.

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Get the Discord.

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Give us a last name.

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I want to hear your pitch

for an episode of Dr.

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Rex Blank Space Gynecologist.

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Let's, let's hear it.

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Laura: I think we've gotta

like merge dot coddle.

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Bones, and if we're feeling

spicy about it, maybe Dr.

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House.

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Xhafer: Are you the reason Bones has

been on in the background of my life

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for the last three weeks, Beth's been

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Laura: Oh, I meant like bones, as in Dr.

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McCoy, not Bones as in its own TV show.

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I should have specified better.

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I'm

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Xhafer: percent.

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I, I agree either way.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: but

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Laura: noise.

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Xhafer: um, but yeah, so it's been a

month and uh, we get some exposition.

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Lee is going to Pegasus

to take over for a bit.

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He's gonna be the exo and

help train Viper pilots before

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he's back on full active duty.

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But he's also been promoted to major,

which causes Dee to want to stop the

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exposition and get into a sex position.

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Laura: I saw that one coming.

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The

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Xhafer: a mile away.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I started doing the voice and the lead up.

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I'm sure I, I played my hand.

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Oh.

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Hi Beth.

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The answer is Dr.

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Rec cervix.

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Dr.

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Rec cervix.

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Space gynecologist.

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Space gynecologist.

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Okay.

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You're welcome.

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Laura: Okay, twist.

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I'm gonna put a twist on Dr.

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Rex cervix.

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Xhafer: a twist.

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Laura: Remember that I said

that Rex was gonna have two Xs.

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I've decided that remove the X to cervix,

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Xhafer: Oh.

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And then the second X drops

to become the end of cervix.

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That's the pitch.

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We've won comedy.

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Okay.

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Laura: I still maintain that.

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I wanna hear what the listeners also come

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Laura: so the other important

thing we find out in this scene

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is that Starbucks has been

driving Garner crazy, like she do.

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Xhafer: We cut over to the Hangar

Bay where the chief checks out a

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cargo container and finds a pregnant

woman looking for dock coddle.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is all that the engineering team on

Galactica does in this episode, right?

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We have

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Xhafer: get them for five seconds.

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Laura: They open up a crate

because something was moving in it.

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And of course Tyrell's

like, oh, I'm going in.

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Even though the Marines are

like on their way to, in case

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we have like a silent problem.

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And I feel like Tyrell is in a pretty good

position to know like the capabilities

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and strengths of a single silent

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and should probably not do this and

should be smarter than this Tyro.

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But there's a lot of, should be smarter

than this running around in this episode

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that I think we're gonna talk about.

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Xhafer: speaking of, should

be smarter than this Pegasus

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Lucid, its Raptor in the cloud.

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Two theme survivor count 49,584.

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We are down seven, which is Sasha.

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Three of her squad.

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Two Marines and one Billy.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, Billy died.

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Laura: RIP Billy.

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Xhafer: It's cool you're

about to meet Tory.

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Laura: Yeah, she's No Billy.

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Xhafer: No she's not.

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It's, it's kind of great.

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Billy Billy kind of sucked.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I was making a reference to I

think Adama comments at one point

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after Tori walks outta the room.

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She's not Bill or that's

not Billy or something?

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She's, she's not Billy, I think,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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She's no Billy.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Cantankerous old man.

432

:

Yes.

433

:

Laura: or I wasn't quite sure

what he meant, but we'll talk

434

:

about it when we get there.

435

:

Xhafer: We come back to Commander

Garner telling Lee and Star bes about

436

:

the cold open As star bes questions

the pilots, Lee sits down with his

437

:

new boss, who is a pedantic asshole.

438

:

Laura: Yeah, Garner's not

putting on his bests face.

439

:

Um, especially, you know, in, when

we're talking to Lee and Starbuck

440

:

walks up, it's very clear he didn't

even alert her to the problem,

441

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

442

:

Laura: Which is why she goes

to chew out the crew, her crew,

443

:

because she's like, why didn't you

all tell me there was a problem?

444

:

I just looked like an

idiot in front of Garner.

445

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

446

:

Laura: And they basically tell her that,

well, he told us not to tell you anything.

447

:

And I think it was a general, we don't

talk about anything that goes wrong.

448

:

This ship with anybody

who's not from the ship.

449

:

So it wasn't just like, don't

tell her about the specific thing.

450

:

It's like, don't tell her anything.

451

:

Ever.

452

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

453

:

Laura: I think Garner is suffering from

this like engineering inferiority complex.

454

:

You called him just a pedantic asshole.

455

:

But I think it comes from like, he

is so insecure about having been in

456

:

that crucial support position and

not being appreciated appropriately,

457

:

that he has carried that with him into

trying to command and it is not working.

458

:

He is stuck.

459

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

460

:

It is not, it is not going well.

461

:

I mean, like, he picks someone who like

has absolutely no technical know, like,

462

:

Adama fucks up by picking this guy.

463

:

Laura: Yes.

464

:

Xhafer: Like he's, he's the leader, right?

465

:

Like he's probably had the most people

reporting to him on the ship out of

466

:

anyone who's still alive at this point.

467

:

Um, I mean, don't they have a CAG that

got shipped somewhere or something?

468

:

I, we never see that

469

:

Laura: They had a keg that like

threatened Lee at one point, right?

470

:

Xhafer: Where's that dude?

471

:

Laura: Yeah.

472

:

Xhafer: He let a, he let

a bunch of fighter wings.

473

:

He was a captain.

474

:

That's too away from being 'cause

yeah, Lee's a major and he's xo

475

:

so that's like one step right?

476

:

Captain to major.

477

:

Like where the fuck's that guy.

478

:

Why wasn't he made major to be this

guy's xo to help him handle things

479

:

like tactics or thinking or like,

why wasn't he put in charge and

480

:

this dude made major or something.

481

:

Like, they make it sound like this

is Chief Tyrell taking over the ship.

482

:

Laura: Yeah, they really did.

483

:

Even though I think the Pegasus Tiro

is supposed to be that other guy

484

:

that was a civilian, like that's

supposed to be our analog, I think.

485

:

Xhafer: And where the fuck's that guy?

486

:

Laura: yeah.

487

:

Where is that guy?

488

:

I hope he comes back.

489

:

He seems important or they

set him up seeming important,

490

:

so I hope he comes back.

491

:

Xhafer: It's a real Equinox

crew fit thing going on here.

492

:

Laura: yeah.

493

:

Yeah.

494

:

This was not a good call by Adama and

I don't know if he was just operating

495

:

under the, as the assumptions the.

496

:

Importance of it needed

to be one of Pegasus own.

497

:

Like it would, they would reject

a Galactica person at this point

498

:

because, you know, Kain died not

that long ago then Fisk got got,

499

:

Xhafer: I mean, you're

not sending Ty over there.

500

:

Laura: no, we can't send Ty.

501

:

No, that wouldn't be no good.

502

:

Xhafer: that's no good.

503

:

You put Zrich in charge of

that shit before Ty, and that's

504

:

also a terrible fucking idea.

505

:

Laura: Zurich, I know you've got the

Prometheus right now, but hear me out.

506

:

Yeah, no, garner.

507

:

Garner has a big inferiority complex and

he's just really a damn good engineer.

508

:

Xhafer: yeah,

509

:

Laura: Rosalyn is looking at

a picture of her and Billy.

510

:

Xhafer: yeah.

511

:

Laura: Tori brings her some

poll results for her campaign.

512

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

513

:

Laura: It sounds like it's going great,

which means it's not gonna be going

514

:

great for the rest of this episode.

515

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

516

:

This is a brief introduction to Tori.

517

:

There'll be more of her.

518

:

Laura: I figured if she's gonna be the

Billy, we're gonna have to have more.

519

:

Tori I,

520

:

Xhafer: yeah.

521

:

We cut over to Zurich, talking to Baltar,

convincing him to run against Rosalyn.

522

:

And you know, he just, you

know, do him a favor later, you

523

:

know, I'll step out of the race.

524

:

I just trust you to remember

your friends for vice president.

525

:

You know, like all but saying it out loud.

526

:

Laura: Yeah.

527

:

Xhafer: wants a non-religious flavored

alternative to Roslyn Science gives

528

:

people hope in a different way, you know?

529

:

Laura: Don't know how much hope I'm

feeling from science at this moment, but,

530

:

but there was a time.

531

:

There was a time,

532

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

533

:

Laura: it's so interesting to have

this science and religion juxtaposition

534

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

535

:

Laura: when the two people who are

representing the things, Gais baltar,

536

:

the Science, Laura Roslyn, the religion,

537

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

538

:

Laura: One of them is much

more odious than the other.

539

:

And it's not the way I've usually seen it.

540

:

I, my experience with uh, hyper religious

politicians is usually that they're

541

:

the super odious ones and Rosalyn for

all the things that she's had to do.

542

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

543

:

Laura: Isn't odious about it.

544

:

Xhafer: I mean, she does some stuff

this episode that she says she

545

:

disagrees with, but she disagrees with

it so much that she still does it.

546

:

Laura: Yeah.

547

:

I, mm.

548

:

We'll get to that when we get to it.

549

:

Yeah.

550

:

Yeah.

551

:

So we go back to Pegasus and Lee

is kind of doing the briefing

552

:

thing, visiting the briefing room

where all the pilots hang out.

553

:

And it seems like, and you can

set me straight if I misread the

554

:

scene, but it seems like Starbuck

is the one gossiping about Garner.

555

:

it'd be at a tight ass.

556

:

Xhafer: It feels like a lot

of these pilots that are more

557

:

seasoned are like, fuck Garner.

558

:

Laura: Uhhuh,

559

:

but she's like, she's saying things

and they're agreeing with her, but

560

:

she's like talking about him being

a paranoid asshole or whatever.

561

:

And Lee breaks it up because this

is like super unprofessional.

562

:

Starbucks like, whoa.

563

:

Seriously?

564

:

And he reminds them, these pilots

that are lost have 36 hours of oxygen.

565

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

566

:

Got to get on it.

567

:

Laura: Yeah.

568

:

Don't waste hours talking about Garner.

569

:

that's, that's a waste of oxygen and time.

570

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

571

:

Laura: really right.

572

:

Like Starbucks should know better

at this point, but she won't.

573

:

She just refuses.

574

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a lot like

the end of the episode here.

575

:

You know, the, the alpha moment, we'll

get to it, but Starbuck and Lee have

576

:

a moment at the end of this episode

where he is all like, Hey, I fucking

577

:

grew up and I saw you not growing

up, and I reacted to that because I

578

:

think you need to grow the fuck up.

579

:

That is of course hilarious coming from

Lee, given what of a fuck up he is, but.

580

:

It's easy to be sun number one

when your closest competition

581

:

is constantly fucking up.

582

:

So drinking themselves

into Stupors here, so,

583

:

Laura: yeah.

584

:

The, you know, everybody's

allowed mistakes, right?

585

:

But Starbuck is like self-destructing

a little bit, like slowly.

586

:

It's on a long fuse.

587

:

But at some point, like you've gotta,

you gotta take some responsibility for

588

:

this, and some of that responsibility

would be focusing on the job at

589

:

hand and not bitching about Garner.

590

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

591

:

Laura: I don't know.

592

:

Xhafer: Well, that'd be logical,

593

:

Laura: Yep.

594

:

Xhafer: we cut over to Med Bay

on Galactica, where we find

595

:

out Coddle has been running an

underground abortion clinic.

596

:

Papa dama, not enthused.

597

:

Laura: Yeah.

598

:

Xhafer: He goes to ask some questions

and coddles just like hanging out in the

599

:

background and he casually jumps in with

all like, Hey, could ask for asylum.

600

:

The look Eddie almost gives here.

601

:

I was laughing so hard.

602

:

I had to stop, rewind, get Beth

explain the scene before I hit play.

603

:

Watch the scene.

604

:

He turns and gives that look

and we're both just laughing.

605

:

You know that game like put one

motherfucker in a movie to make it better.

606

:

You get

607

:

Laura: uh,

608

:

Xhafer: To give one character

a chance to say motherfucker,

609

:

and you make the movie better.

610

:

This is it in that stare

scene, that silence.

611

:

Just editor James Olmos,

a motherfucker in there.

612

:

Perfect.

613

:

Laura: Brilliant.

614

:

Yeah, no, I agree.

615

:

Poor, poor Adama.

616

:

Like this is another time.

617

:

Let's just, let's get out the old

whiteboard and let's write at the top.

618

:

Should have known betters.

619

:

We've already got a couple

hashes on the board, right?

620

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

621

:

Laura: Ding, here's another one.

622

:

Dot Coddle is the only

doctor in the fleet.

623

:

We've been told this a

couple of times, right?

624

:

It's been now a couple of months.

625

:

At least six months, right?

626

:

Six months or more since

all of the, everything.

627

:

Xhafer: been another month since

the last time we saw stuff.

628

:

We are, we are at day 230, 40, maybe 50.

629

:

Laura: Excellent.

630

:

So we're closing in, we're closer to

the year than not, like the earth year.

631

:

Sure.

632

:

These things are gonna start happening.

633

:

The time to be thinking about

it was long before this moment.

634

:

The time to consider that this might

be happening with your only doctor

635

:

in the fleet who has this concern

was before this moment and the

636

:

time to consider that Gem Anon is

acting up on this matter that they.

637

:

Consider this woman the

property of her parents.

638

:

We aren't told if she's a minor

or not, but I guess she is.

639

:

That's the only way I would

consider her property.

640

:

Okay.

641

:

She, the actress does

not look a minor, but

642

:

that's, yeah.

643

:

Yeah.

644

:

But if we're dealing with something

like that, you know, these discussions

645

:

should have been had and it's clear from

people's reactions that they haven't been,

646

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

647

:

Laura: we haven't been

thinking about this.

648

:

We haven't been talking about it.

649

:

And the time was long ago.

650

:

Not now,

651

:

Xhafer: Yes, for sure.

652

:

Laura: but yes, it all ends.

653

:

Raya is her name, I believe.

654

:

Raya asks Adama for asylum.

655

:

Xhafer: Gem here is demanding

to make abortion illegal because

656

:

it always should have been.

657

:

I will not dignify this position

with any more conversation.

658

:

Rosalyn is not interested in

banning abortion or turning her

659

:

over to the parents by not granting

the asylum that she's asking for.

660

:

And she takes a pretty

hard stance in this.

661

:

She's like, no uh, you know, bodily

autonomy, you know, uh, she says,

662

:

I believe she even uses like a

phrase that you would hear on

663

:

Earth, which is, I've fought for

women's uh, rights my entire career,

664

:

you know, as, as the

Secretary of Education.

665

:

I'm sure that's something that comes up

a non-zero amount of times, but probably.

666

:

Laura: Yeah.

667

:

Xhafer: Not a ton.

668

:

Laura: Yeah.

669

:

Health and Human Services

probably gets a little more,

670

:

Xhafer: yeah.

671

:

But it probably not zero,

672

:

Laura: Not zero, at least you're talking

about how these kids are gonna get their

673

:

sex education, which is an important part

674

:

of women's rights.

675

:

Xhafer: Yeah

676

:

you know, education is super

important just for everything.

677

:

Adama though is like, I'm not arguing

with you and this is a political matter.

678

:

Like my personal feelings

here have no impact.

679

:

He, he tries it, it's really clear to me.

680

:

He's trying to separate his personal

feelings from the matter of fact.

681

:

And as the matter of fact, he's just

like, look that number goes down way more

682

:

than it goes up pointing to the board,

which by the way, is adjusted for people

683

:

who have died this episode already.

684

:

Um,

685

:

Laura: Right.

686

:

Xhafer: it hasn't gone

down for any of the, uh.

687

:

the pilots, but it will at the end,

688

:

Laura: Yeah.

689

:

Xhafer: when we see it again.

690

:

Laura: This take from Adama, I

did appreciate he doesn't seem

691

:

to like present it either as

like this is the what we must do.

692

:

He's just like, I do see

this number as a problem

693

:

Xhafer: yeah.

694

:

Like,

695

:

Laura: and that's

obviously not in my domain.

696

:

I am the military.

697

:

I am keeping people safe and silent,

free as I can at this moment.

698

:

That's my job.

699

:

I dunno what you're supposed

to do about the other thing.

700

:

And Rosalyn, she know, she says

she basically at this point is

701

:

of the stance like, well, you

know, women aren't incubators

702

:

even if we are in this situation.

703

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

704

:

Laura: But yeah, we've

gotta figure something out.

705

:

But we cut over to Pegasus and Star BE'S

is looking for shark's last transmission.

706

:

She's got like the printout on the

funny paper and she gets hung up on this

707

:

fragment of a word eve and puzzles out

that, that's part of the word receive.

708

:

So they've received a distress call.

709

:

They weren't necessarily

putting out a distress call,

710

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

711

:

Laura: That there's an emergency,

and so they may be looking for a

712

:

distress call that could be a trap

713

:

Xhafer: Yep.

714

:

She goes to tell Lee, and

Lee goes to yell at her.

715

:

Escarra has to just not

apologize for shooting Lee.

716

:

It feels like she goes to,

and then she just doesn't.

717

:

Laura: Yep.

718

:

She's doing petulant

little sister right now.

719

:

Xhafer: Yep.

720

:

Laura: But she gets even more because

Garner throws some very specific verbiage

721

:

of Starbucks venting back in her face.

722

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

723

:

Fucking called

724

:

Laura: Like word forward.

725

:

Xhafer: Yep.

726

:

Laura: I wondered if there was gonna

be a subplot within here of him

727

:

having like bugged the whole damn ship

because he's such a great engineer,

728

:

but they, that's left ambiguous.

729

:

We don't know if he was like

730

:

Xhafer: Oh, those pilot, those,

those, those rook pilots that

731

:

were like, because there's,

there's two sets of pilots, right?

732

:

There's the rookie pilots that

she's helping train that fucked

733

:

up this flight, and then there's

like the rest of the crew.

734

:

And when it's the.

735

:

The non rookie pilots, she seems

to be getting along with them and

736

:

joking with them about how much

Garner sucks, but the rookies seem

737

:

to be all suckling at Garner's Tet,

738

:

Laura: Hmm.

739

:

So you think it's just informants?

740

:

Xhafer: yeah.

741

:

Laura: I kind of liked it

to be a mystery though.

742

:

Like, Hmm, what was it?

743

:

Oh, that would be so fun if later

they found something and it turned

744

:

out it was like garner's secret

spy system that he installed

745

:

that could be fun.

746

:

yeah, she, she's being chewed out for

her carelessness and for shooting Lee.

747

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

748

:

Laura: she knows he's right, but she's

like, I'm sure that this is a cylon trap.

749

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

750

:

Laura: And one of the rescue raptors

picks up the same distress call

751

:

Lee tells Garner that

this is a cylon trap.

752

:

But Garner thinks this idea

has Starbuck all over it.

753

:

And again, I was like, toss up as

he bugged the, bunks or he just

754

:

putting two and two together?

755

:

I don't know.

756

:

But even though Lee tries to reason with

him, garner is going to call Galactica.

757

:

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

758

:

You gotta ask Papa Dama before

you take the ship out for a spin.

759

:

Laura: And so we have star Bes, we have

Lee, and we have Papa dama all say, mm.

760

:

It's a drop.

761

:

Xhafer: It is a trip.

762

:

Don't do this.

763

:

Laura: Adama's a little more

diplomatic than everyone else.

764

:

He's, you know, counseling caution.

765

:

Garner tries to like make this

a, well, we think it's not likely

766

:

like the we is him and Lee.

767

:

But Lee calls it out like it is

and says, well, no star bees.

768

:

And I don't think

769

:

that this is wise.

770

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

771

:

I mean, Papa DAMA is a lot more

likely to listen to Star Be's, so.

772

:

Laura: yeah.

773

:

But Garner dismisses Lee.

774

:

And we go back to presumably Galactica,

where is Baltar hanging out these days?

775

:

Exactly.

776

:

Xhafer: He appears to be on Galactica.

777

:

He's in a lab,

778

:

Laura: Yeah.

779

:

Xhafer: doing science.

780

:

He's stiff.

781

:

Laura: She wants the

demographic projections.

782

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

783

:

Laura: So remember the whiteboard

784

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

785

:

Laura: should have known better.

786

:

Ding,

787

:

Xhafer: Right.

788

:

Laura: this should have

been done long ago.

789

:

Xhafer: I mean, you were asking

about this in season one,

790

:

Laura: I think I asked

about this in the like

791

:

miniseries.

792

:

episode we did.

793

:

If it wasn't, then it was very early.

794

:

Yeah.

795

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

796

:

Very, very present on your mind,

but not on the lives of the

797

:

people running for their lives.

798

:

Laura: I guess, I guess

I can, I can't, I can't,

799

:

I cannot write this off for them.

800

:

Like

801

:

Xhafer: you shouldn't,

802

:

Laura: I know you're running

for your lives and shit.

803

:

I know you're worried about supplies,

but in all of that, somebody need

804

:

to be, needed to be doing that.

805

:

God dang math ass.

806

:

Xhafer: right?

807

:

I mean, of course you're

going to get agreeance from

808

:

me on needing to do the math.

809

:

Uh, I am typecast and I'm cool with it.

810

:

But yeah, do the fucking math, y'all.

811

:

Laura: And the other problem I have

with this is that it's like there's

812

:

only one person in almost 50,000

people who can do this God dang math

813

:

Xhafer: That

814

:

Laura: and.

815

:

That can't be right.

816

:

Like could, if we put Gita like

on this with some models or some

817

:

some textbooks or something, could

he also come up with a projection?

818

:

Like Gita's pretty smart.

819

:

He networked some computers

820

:

Xhafer: feel like I can do this math.

821

:

Gimme

822

:

the ages of

823

:

everyone

824

:

in the fleet.

825

:

Yeah.

826

:

This isn't like complicated math, y'all.

827

:

Laura: and it doesn't

require a networked computer.

828

:

Yeah, you need to like have data all in

one central place, but it's not like you

829

:

have to have the internet to do this.

830

:

Mm-hmm.

831

:

Xhafer: I mean, like you, you

take estimates on people's genetic

832

:

diversity based off of region.

833

:

Like if you wanna get that granular with

it, you might get a more specific number,

834

:

but you can probably just like mark off

chain it and get a decent guess at the

835

:

probability and go from there, you know?

836

:

Laura: You should not have

just one person doing this.

837

:

And that one person should

not be Baltar, period.

838

:

Like full stop.

839

:

He's got six PT in his head during

this conversation again, and she's

840

:

like, oh, Rosalyn must be scared of you

841

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

842

:

Laura: And I'm like, Rosalyn

isn't even thinking about Baltar.

843

:

Xhafer: right.

844

:

Delusional.

845

:

Laura: Rosalyn isn't even

thinking about you, bro.

846

:

Xhafer: She has bigger shit on her mind.

847

:

Laura: I, I don't know if we

ever get an answer for what the

848

:

fuck is up with six pt, but.

849

:

This has me writing for delusion

850

:

because she has been

inconsistent, as you pointed out.

851

:

So she kind of changed her tune all of

a sudden from like, protect our baby.

852

:

This is our future, whatever,

to be President Gaas, you

853

:

really need to be president.

854

:

So that's, that's a little

weird and self-serving.

855

:

Um, much more so than the baby thing.

856

:

So I don't know, but here's what happens.

857

:

He bullshits that, oh yeah, I did this

months ago because I was the one thinking

858

:

about it, which I, I don't think he did.

859

:

I don't think he's done any of this

at all, or if he has, it's been a

860

:

very cherry picked sort of situation.

861

:

And he says something that I find.

862

:

Telling.

863

:

Maybe it's not supposed to be,

maybe it's just a whatever,

864

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

865

:

Laura: just words.

866

:

But he says that at this current rate, the

human race will be extinct in 18 years.

867

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

868

:

Laura: The current rate is the words

that I'm sticking at because the

869

:

current rate that we have is 200 and

something days of running for our lives.

870

:

Xhafer: yeah.

871

:

Laura: Right.

872

:

I imagine there's not been a lot

of births in that time period.

873

:

That is an extremely low rate

because of circumstances.

874

:

That doesn't mean that that current

rate is gonna continue in perpetuity,

875

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

876

:

Laura: and honestly, that current

rate for this moment is probably fine.

877

:

Like the.

878

:

We've got other shit we need to be doing,

and we don't have supplies for a whole

879

:

bunch of babies anyway, I don't trust it.

880

:

Whatever projection he's done, I

don't trust this projection at all.

881

:

Xhafer: Okay, so 79 5 7 9 or 49.

882

:

5 7 9 is what we're at.

883

:

At the end of the episode,

884

:

Laura: Okay?

885

:

Xhafer: we're gonna subtract the

Pegasus crew from that, because

886

:

you're not gonna run into a Pegasus

every fucking 200 days, right?

887

:

And then what we're at, at

the start of the mini series.

888

:

Obviously after everything is 49,998,

which means you're losing 202,171 people

889

:

every 200 and so days, like 230 days.

890

:

you're gonna take that many

iterations divided by the

891

:

total remaining populace, 4 7,

892

:

Laura: Well, and we, we can also, I think,

you know, if you're taking the deaths into

893

:

the current rate, which I was not, I was

just thinking about births, but if you're

894

:

taking all these cy induced deaths, like

895

:

Xhafer: that would be the, that

would include the births, right?

896

:

'cause it's the total

adjustments of the number.

897

:

Laura: Yeah, if you're, if you're, if

you're doing a net, which I was not, I

898

:

was thinking about just birth, but if

you're thinking about that net and that's

899

:

the way you're calculating, like ideally

at some point we're going to get to a

900

:

point where we're not being slaughtered,

901

:

Xhafer: So

902

:

Laura: it's soon, that

will affect the rate.

903

:

Xhafer: that will affect the rates, but

so at the current rate, doing the actual

904

:

math, it's 12 years is how long humanity

will last if they continue, if people

905

:

continue dying and being born at the

exact same rate that they have been, every

906

:

single person will be dead in 12 years.

907

:

Laura: Yeah.

908

:

Okay.

909

:

Xhafer: And that's not even

the math that you're going for.

910

:

You're going for maintaining enough for

genetic diversity to continue the species

911

:

because it's not that humanity's extinct,

it's that humanity's effectively extinct.

912

:

Extinct, which is a very

different number because you'd

913

:

need, do they say at some point?

914

:

I think they say at some point.

915

:

I

916

:

Laura: I don't think so.

917

:

We've discussed it that this is

important, but I don't think anyone

918

:

in the show has gone this far.

919

:

I don't know, maybe that's what's

gonna drive us back to Capric

920

:

to rescue people is we uh, need

some more genetic diversity.

921

:

Xhafer: Oh God.

922

:

You only need 5 50, 500.

923

:

This is 5,500 rule for genetic

diversity to maintain a

924

:

minimally vi viable population.

925

:

Laura: Hmm.

926

:

Okay.

927

:

Xhafer: This looks like it's a

bunch of reading and more math,

928

:

so I'm excited to do it later.

929

:

Laura: But yeah, that's

not podcast problem.

930

:

So it sounds like we're

probably fine there,

931

:

but.

932

:

We've still gotta deal

with our just abysmal rate.

933

:

But again, I cannot say this enough,

should have had this discussion earlier.

934

:

For one thing, we should have

had it earlier when Baltar wasn't

935

:

being a pissy little bitch,

936

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

937

:

Laura: because maybe we'd

get an honest answer then.

938

:

This is not an honest answer, I think

I don't trust this answer at all.

939

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

940

:

Laura: Even though you've done

your math and whatever, like Baltar

941

:

is not giving an honest answer

942

:

Xhafer: No, he is bullshitting

943

:

and

944

:

Laura: and she does, she hasn't figured

out someone to check his fucking

945

:

math, and he, he tells her, you don't

even need to look at the report.

946

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

947

:

Laura: I'll tell you this.

948

:

No, you need to look at the report.

949

:

You always need to look at the report.

950

:

You need to cite those damn sources.

951

:

Xhafer: it's like, it's like chat GPT.

952

:

It's just gonna be

feeding you some bullshit.

953

:

That sounds right.

954

:

It doesn't know what it's actually saying.

955

:

Laura: Yeah.

956

:

Yeah.

957

:

So we get the Rosalyn announcement

over the all of the ship's.

958

:

Comms, as she reluctantly says

that we're going to go extinct at

959

:

this rate if we don't have babies.

960

:

And so I must criminalize abortion.

961

:

Xhafer: Yep.

962

:

Laura: Bad call, probably

based on bad science.

963

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

964

:

Most bad calls are.

965

:

At least most bad science related

calls are based on bad science.

966

:

Whether or not, you know,

it's bad science at the time.

967

:

Looking at you.

968

:

La Triol.

969

:

Sorry.

970

:

I've been listening to a

lot of Behind the Bastards.

971

:

It's one of those fake cancer treatments.

972

:

Anyways Pegasus sounds the alarm

that they're about to jump.

973

:

Kara and Lee are like the fuck.

974

:

As Lee sends Kara down to find a

viper and he runs to Pegasus, CSC the

975

:

commander and Lee get into an argument

and they both relieve each other of duty.

976

:

Laura: This is very fun.

977

:

You can't arrest me because I arrest you.

978

:

Xhafer: right?

979

:

Yeah.

980

:

This is the equivalent

of You can't fire me.

981

:

I quit.

982

:

Laura: No, it's, you can't fire me.

983

:

I fire you.

984

:

It's not even, I quit.

985

:

You can't fire me.

986

:

I promoted myself.

987

:

Xhafer: Captain the guard shooters

garner and jumps away has they uh,

988

:

start to escort Lee to the Bri.

989

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

990

:

Xhafer: They launch a recovery

team and find the missing raptors.

991

:

Crews are dead shot like

through their windows in space

992

:

as not to destroy the raptors.

993

:

Laura: I mean, this is so dramatic.

994

:

We have these two ships just floating.

995

:

They're just on the float.

996

:

And the rescue Raptor

like comes up alongside,

997

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

998

:

They really, they really sneak

it in there and drag this out

999

:

for a minute in a very good way.

:

00:48:28,918 --> 00:48:29,398

Laura: yes.

:

00:48:29,398 --> 00:48:30,778

Very, very suspenseful.

:

00:48:30,928 --> 00:48:33,778

Xhafer: But as soon as they were

like, Hey, these guys are dead.

:

00:48:33,858 --> 00:48:34,788

This is fucked.

:

00:48:35,118 --> 00:48:40,518

Three cylon base ships, jump in and just

start nuking the shit out of Pegasus.

:

00:48:41,148 --> 00:48:41,388

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:41,448 --> 00:48:45,258

I don't even think the rescue Raptor

gets like completely turned around,

:

00:48:45,483 --> 00:48:45,963

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:46,668 --> 00:48:48,738

Laura: like all of a sudden, boom.

:

00:48:48,948 --> 00:48:50,423

Bass stars in your face.

:

00:48:50,883 --> 00:48:51,363

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:51,936 --> 00:48:53,166

FTL is down.

:

00:48:53,656 --> 00:48:57,706

Garner knows how to fix it, and his

crew doesn't because he was a bad

:

00:48:57,706 --> 00:49:01,996

boss who was more concerned about

getting promoted than teaching his

:

00:49:01,996 --> 00:49:03,376

team how to operate without him.

:

00:49:03,948 --> 00:49:04,398

Laura: Oh,

:

00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:06,430

Xhafer: Oh, is that insensitive?

:

00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:08,470

Because he's about to sacrifice himself.

:

00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:10,000

It's still true.

:

00:49:11,095 --> 00:49:12,565

Laura: yeah, yeah,

:

00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:16,420

Xhafer: So when Lee makes it back

during the attack, he puts Lee in

:

00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:18,430

command and goes to pull a Spock.

:

00:49:19,028 --> 00:49:19,418

Laura: yeah.

:

00:49:19,868 --> 00:49:24,008

He the second he was headed down there

was like, he's gonna Spock himself.

:

00:49:24,068 --> 00:49:24,463

Oh, no.

:

00:49:27,158 --> 00:49:29,288

Xhafer: Lee immediately

starts using a thing.

:

00:49:29,288 --> 00:49:34,448

We like to call thinking using

tactics to save the ship and force

:

00:49:34,448 --> 00:49:36,098

one of the base stars to retreat.

:

00:49:36,608 --> 00:49:41,708

He like rolls the ships that the

nuke side is protected and so they're

:

00:49:41,713 --> 00:49:43,718

harder to fuck with and stuff.

:

00:49:43,778 --> 00:49:48,998

You know, use the armor that we have

and get us in a position to blow up the

:

00:49:48,998 --> 00:49:51,248

neck of one of these fucking bass stars.

:

00:49:51,818 --> 00:49:53,918

Laura: Yeah, he is on it.

:

00:49:53,918 --> 00:50:01,898

He, he has like this moment of like, zen

quiet and then just goes, it's amazing.

:

00:50:01,898 --> 00:50:02,048

It's,

:

00:50:02,108 --> 00:50:02,408

Xhafer: Uh,

:

00:50:02,408 --> 00:50:03,308

Laura: a very good

:

00:50:03,788 --> 00:50:04,298

uh,

:

00:50:04,418 --> 00:50:05,708

Xhafer: shit, I'm in command.

:

00:50:06,188 --> 00:50:07,058

I know what to do.

:

00:50:07,118 --> 00:50:07,598

Okay.

:

00:50:07,988 --> 00:50:08,978

Laura: Yes, yes.

:

00:50:09,428 --> 00:50:12,728

Oh, we get a special guest

appearance in this episode.

:

00:50:13,148 --> 00:50:19,988

Jair as Garner goes to deal

with the problem in engineering.

:

00:50:20,291 --> 00:50:24,736

have a special guest appearance from

the nuclear steam pipe in Airwolf.

:

00:50:25,206 --> 00:50:25,426

Xhafer: Oh.

:

00:50:30,406 --> 00:50:30,626

Oh.

:

00:50:31,006 --> 00:50:32,386

Laura: over on Cool girls?

:

00:50:34,426 --> 00:50:35,386

Over on Cool Girls.

:

00:50:35,386 --> 00:50:36,406

Don't look at explosions.

:

00:50:36,406 --> 00:50:38,851

Toward the end of our airwolf

coverage, there was a very.

:

00:50:39,776 --> 00:50:41,816

Memorable in some ways.

:

00:50:41,906 --> 00:50:47,739

Episode that took on the Chernobyl

disaster with our Airwolf

:

00:50:47,739 --> 00:50:48,009

team.

:

00:50:48,939 --> 00:50:55,539

And in that two-parter there

was a very prominent steam pipe

:

00:50:55,569 --> 00:50:58,569

that was a problem and venting.

:

00:50:58,569 --> 00:51:04,389

And we had to turn one of those

big old wheelie crank things in

:

00:51:04,389 --> 00:51:07,239

order to deal with the steam pipe.

:

00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,879

And that is exactly the kind of

problem that Garner is having.

:

00:51:13,569 --> 00:51:17,139

Something is venting and it shouldn't

be, and he's gotta turn this pipe

:

00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:23,289

Xhafer: Just a hammer and a wrench

:

00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:26,439

and just making it fucking happen.

:

00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:28,149

Laura: banging on it.

:

00:51:28,149 --> 00:51:31,419

And he, he's the only one who could

go in here because the, it's running

:

00:51:31,419 --> 00:51:33,919

out of air, venting into space, right.

:

00:51:35,224 --> 00:51:40,294

He barely, like, he's banging on

it and he's losing his own steam.

:

00:51:40,294 --> 00:51:40,774

Ha.

:

00:51:44,134 --> 00:51:50,521

And uh, finally, as he's like,

collapsing on the floor and falling

:

00:51:50,521 --> 00:51:55,981

away from the, the pipe he manages

to like pull the wrench enough to

:

00:51:56,221 --> 00:51:59,581

Xhafer: and the dude on the other

side's all like, come on out, it's fine.

:

00:51:59,701 --> 00:52:02,821

Come on out and not open the

door and go get him because he

:

00:52:02,821 --> 00:52:04,351

knows there's no air in there.

:

00:52:04,531 --> 00:52:04,801

You

:

00:52:05,071 --> 00:52:06,001

Laura: Exactly.

:

00:52:06,181 --> 00:52:07,141

They're sitting there,

:

00:52:07,801 --> 00:52:08,011

they're

:

00:52:08,011 --> 00:52:08,701

saying

:

00:52:08,851 --> 00:52:12,151

Xhafer: Because, because they

weren't trained to do their jobs

:

00:52:12,151 --> 00:52:14,041

well, because their boss sucked.

:

00:52:16,386 --> 00:52:16,676

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:17,821 --> 00:52:20,551

Xhafer: This is what happens when

you don't teach critical thinking.

:

00:52:21,211 --> 00:52:21,571

Laura: yeah.

:

00:52:21,601 --> 00:52:21,811

Yeah.

:

00:52:21,811 --> 00:52:24,781

We haven't, we haven't made that

lateral thinking jump to like,

:

00:52:24,841 --> 00:52:26,791

oh, he doesn't have any air left.

:

00:52:26,791 --> 00:52:28,831

Maybe we could go get him.

:

00:52:28,861 --> 00:52:31,711

Like, it's not like the

whole thing is open to space.

:

00:52:32,071 --> 00:52:33,841

Xhafer: Yeah, it's just a little leaky do.

:

00:52:34,411 --> 00:52:38,941

You are gonna open it up and you're gonna

flood it with oxygen from in your room and

:

00:52:38,941 --> 00:52:42,301

Yeah, it'll be hard to breathe in there

for a little bit too, but the ship will

:

00:52:42,301 --> 00:52:44,191

compensate you go grab him, you drag him.

:

00:52:45,301 --> 00:52:46,201

Laura: Yeah, you get a

:

00:52:46,201 --> 00:52:46,561

couple of

:

00:52:46,561 --> 00:52:47,911

guys, this'll be a piece of cake.

:

00:52:48,031 --> 00:52:48,451

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:48,511 --> 00:52:48,751

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:49,171 --> 00:52:55,051

No, it's so on our whiteboard, I

think we get to put another ding.

:

00:52:55,861 --> 00:52:57,061

Should have known better.

:

00:52:57,241 --> 00:52:59,041

Should have trained our people better.

:

00:52:59,521 --> 00:53:00,571

Not that hard.

:

00:53:01,212 --> 00:53:04,572

Xhafer: I mean, the dude's paranoid, so

he is probably mostly concerned about job

:

00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:09,312

security, so he probably didn't bother

to train them well before the shit.

:

00:53:10,002 --> 00:53:12,162

He's one of those bosses, right?

:

00:53:12,582 --> 00:53:14,532

Laura: they're so exhausting.

:

00:53:14,682 --> 00:53:15,162

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:15,852 --> 00:53:18,582

It's like, well, if I'm so important,

I'm the only one who can fix things

:

00:53:18,582 --> 00:53:19,692

and they can never get rid of me.

:

00:53:20,202 --> 00:53:20,802

Laura: Right?

:

00:53:22,002 --> 00:53:22,992

I hate that

:

00:53:23,442 --> 00:53:26,592

Xhafer: There's some Excel sheet somewhere

that half the business runs off of that.

:

00:53:26,622 --> 00:53:28,062

He's the only one who knows about it.

:

00:53:29,982 --> 00:53:31,692

Fucking, I

:

00:53:31,692 --> 00:53:36,732

mean, professionally, it's

my job to find those things.

:

00:53:37,467 --> 00:53:37,677

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:38,147 --> 00:53:40,542

Xhafer: It's like a main

component of my job.

:

00:53:40,542 --> 00:53:42,162

I call it forensic Excel,

:

00:53:42,867 --> 00:53:43,287

Laura: Good.

:

00:53:43,287 --> 00:53:44,152

Root them out.

:

00:53:44,502 --> 00:53:47,442

Xhafer: I do well, it's if it's

referenced in other files, you

:

00:53:47,442 --> 00:53:48,732

just follow the chain down.

:

00:53:49,212 --> 00:53:52,782

You read the VBA, you read the

formulas, you find the sheet references.

:

00:53:52,782 --> 00:53:56,202

You just keep digging until you

find where it actually lives.

:

00:53:56,442 --> 00:53:56,732

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:53:56,762 --> 00:53:57,052

Yeah.

:

00:53:58,055 --> 00:53:59,135

Xhafer: You get there eventually.

:

00:53:59,285 --> 00:54:00,035

I found some shit

:

00:54:02,555 --> 00:54:03,245

anyways.

:

00:54:03,438 --> 00:54:07,458

he fixes the valves for the FTL

coolant, sacrificing himself.

:

00:54:07,788 --> 00:54:10,733

Lee Herds, pulls the birds back

and jumps back to the fleet.

:

00:54:11,523 --> 00:54:17,373

And we cut to the Dal's office as he's

talking to Lee about what happens and

:

00:54:17,373 --> 00:54:21,693

then decides to spice up the fleet

a little with a dash of the good old

:

00:54:21,693 --> 00:54:25,293

nepotism promotes Lee to Commander.

:

00:54:26,943 --> 00:54:28,503

Laura: I mean, Lee did really well.

:

00:54:29,223 --> 00:54:29,973

He truly did.

:

00:54:30,213 --> 00:54:33,873

He did really well, and he was

extremely professional in his report.

:

00:54:33,933 --> 00:54:39,603

Um, Adama says, wow, you give him a lot

of credit, star bees ripped his ass.

:

00:54:39,753 --> 00:54:43,173

And he's like, well, we had

two different perspectives, you

:

00:54:43,173 --> 00:54:43,383

know?

:

00:54:44,501 --> 00:54:47,261

so he nailed it too.

:

00:54:47,291 --> 00:54:49,271

When Adama said, what did he do wrong?

:

00:54:49,811 --> 00:54:54,131

He says, well, he worked more with

the machines, understood them better,

:

00:54:54,131 --> 00:54:55,811

and wasn't working with people.

:

00:54:56,141 --> 00:54:56,471

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:54:57,606 --> 00:54:58,331

Laura: N nailed it.

:

00:54:58,421 --> 00:55:04,661

So like those things in a

vacuum, the context looks great.

:

00:55:05,456 --> 00:55:05,876

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:55:06,161 --> 00:55:06,911

Laura: Promote this guy.

:

00:55:06,911 --> 00:55:08,171

He did well under pressure.

:

00:55:08,411 --> 00:55:09,581

The crew worked with him.

:

00:55:09,821 --> 00:55:13,991

Everybody, well, not everybody,

but he got the ship back alive.

:

00:55:14,306 --> 00:55:17,276

Xhafer: But why was he

made XO over there anyways?

:

00:55:18,274 --> 00:55:18,664

Instead of

:

00:55:18,664 --> 00:55:19,624

someone from Pegasus?

:

00:55:19,654 --> 00:55:19,984

Why?

:

00:55:20,134 --> 00:55:23,524

Why was he in the position

to be able to do that?

:

00:55:23,524 --> 00:55:24,514

To take over the ship?

:

00:55:25,699 --> 00:55:26,119

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:26,179 --> 00:55:28,999

I mean, right, right.

:

00:55:29,419 --> 00:55:32,149

And I'm not saying that the

nepotism is not important.

:

00:55:32,149 --> 00:55:36,709

I think the nepotism could be a huge

problem, not just like the fact that

:

00:55:36,709 --> 00:55:40,159

you now have father and son at the

highest levels of this military,

:

00:55:40,909 --> 00:55:43,909

uh, both in command of both of the ships.

:

00:55:43,909 --> 00:55:45,859

That's, that ain't great.

:

00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:47,149

And.

:

00:55:47,884 --> 00:55:52,984

How is the Pegasus crew gonna, I mean,

they know Lee just saved their ass.

:

00:55:52,984 --> 00:55:53,344

Yeah.

:

00:55:53,404 --> 00:55:56,044

So for now they might be like, okay, yeah.

:

00:55:56,884 --> 00:55:59,554

But in a month, three months,

:

00:56:00,664 --> 00:56:01,024

Xhafer: I guess

:

00:56:01,114 --> 00:56:04,624

Laura: six months, a year, are

they gonna feel about Lee Adama

:

00:56:04,624 --> 00:56:05,854

the way they feel right now?

:

00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:07,709

Dunno.

:

00:56:07,709 --> 00:56:09,667

Oh, dunno.

:

00:56:09,697 --> 00:56:11,677

So not excited about that.

:

00:56:11,677 --> 00:56:14,977

Not excited about a lot of things

that happened in this episode.

:

00:56:15,352 --> 00:56:20,457

Xhafer: Speaking of not being excited, the

uh, right wing Geminis voting block was

:

00:56:20,457 --> 00:56:22,917

given a mile, so they demand another inch.

:

00:56:23,397 --> 00:56:24,972

Rosalyn tells them to fuck off.

:

00:56:26,078 --> 00:56:29,798

Laura: She's like, no, you can't

prosecute Raya for a thing that

:

00:56:29,798 --> 00:56:31,778

was not a crime at the time.

:

00:56:31,778 --> 00:56:32,378

It happened.

:

00:56:32,468 --> 00:56:32,688

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:56:33,458 --> 00:56:34,268

Laura: Absolutely Not

:

00:56:35,138 --> 00:56:35,888

Not gonna allow it.

:

00:56:36,398 --> 00:56:39,158

This person still has

my asylum protection.

:

00:56:39,188 --> 00:56:40,388

They are not leaving.

:

00:56:41,378 --> 00:56:42,548

You cannot have them.

:

00:56:43,988 --> 00:56:46,418

So that, that is good.

:

00:56:46,988 --> 00:56:47,618

Rosalyn,

:

00:56:48,128 --> 00:56:48,548

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:56:49,118 --> 00:56:50,048

Laura: that part's good?

:

00:56:50,738 --> 00:56:51,158

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:56:52,096 --> 00:56:53,326

Lee hacks up his bunk.

:

00:56:53,326 --> 00:56:54,346

As Starbuck mentioned.

:

00:56:54,346 --> 00:56:56,776

She's back on Galactica

to be their new keg.

:

00:56:57,121 --> 00:57:00,781

With Lee's promotion over to

Pegasus being more permanent.

:

00:57:01,281 --> 00:57:01,701

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:57:02,341 --> 00:57:05,911

Xhafer: And then we go over to

Colonial one where the press ask

:

00:57:05,911 --> 00:57:08,341

Roslyn, Hey, think you fucked up.

:

00:57:08,821 --> 00:57:12,241

And she's like, well maybe.

:

00:57:12,241 --> 00:57:16,351

But before she can finish

the word gais intervenes.

:

00:57:17,291 --> 00:57:19,001

Is an attack on freedom.

:

00:57:19,151 --> 00:57:22,337

I'm running for president God.

:

00:57:22,337 --> 00:57:25,577

We love the self-aggrandizing

genius running for the

:

00:57:25,577 --> 00:57:27,107

highest office in the land.

:

00:57:27,107 --> 00:57:29,777

The guy who thinks he's the

smartest one in the room deciding

:

00:57:29,777 --> 00:57:31,157

he's gonna lead the people.

:

00:57:31,967 --> 00:57:33,917

That's just tale as old as time.

:

00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:34,487

Classic.

:

00:57:34,487 --> 00:57:36,587

We love that in America, right?

:

00:57:36,797 --> 00:57:37,997

That's never gone wrong.

:

00:57:38,717 --> 00:57:43,907

Never gone wrong once.

:

00:57:48,616 --> 00:57:49,066

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:57:49,096 --> 00:57:50,926

Six PT gives him the slow clap.

:

00:57:51,796 --> 00:57:52,156

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:57:52,276 --> 00:57:59,446

Laura: he has a positively fucking

Grinch who stole Christmas like curly

:

00:57:59,446 --> 00:58:03,196

smile on his fucking little face.

:

00:58:05,026 --> 00:58:11,626

It isn't I Props James Callis

props my guy at how cartoonish

:

00:58:11,626 --> 00:58:14,266

an expression this man can give.

:

00:58:14,686 --> 00:58:18,796

Like this is cartoon evil on his face.

:

00:58:18,856 --> 00:58:20,086

It is wild.

:

00:58:20,401 --> 00:58:20,821

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:58:22,492 --> 00:58:24,597

Uh, Yeah, that's uh, that's it.

:

00:58:25,021 --> 00:58:29,886

Time to uh, rate this episode on

a scale of one to 12 colonies.

:

00:58:30,763 --> 00:58:36,253

Laura: As per usual, I'm going to

talk a while before I rate anything.

:

00:58:36,613 --> 00:58:38,833

Xhafer: It's your podcast, Laura.

:

00:58:38,953 --> 00:58:39,703

Do what you want.

:

00:58:40,393 --> 00:58:41,983

Laura: That's why we have the damn thing,

:

00:58:41,983 --> 00:58:42,463

isn't it?

:

00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:50,713

If you two need to just

talk a while, get a podcast.

:

00:58:50,863 --> 00:58:51,673

Xhafer: It's great.

:

00:58:52,273 --> 00:58:54,493

You'll make some guy at a

comic store laugh someday.

:

00:58:55,123 --> 00:58:56,563

Laura: Yeah, go for it.

:

00:58:57,343 --> 00:59:00,258

So this episode made me think a lot

:

00:59:01,063 --> 00:59:01,363

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:59:02,443 --> 00:59:09,193

Laura: and especially about how the

only context I ever hear abortion

:

00:59:09,193 --> 00:59:17,143

discussed in is the religious context

or some sort of trumped up phony

:

00:59:17,833 --> 00:59:24,673

idea that falling birth rate of one

group compared to others is bad.

:

00:59:25,078 --> 00:59:25,438

Right.

:

00:59:25,618 --> 00:59:33,020

And so we need to stop allowing

this because there will be more of

:

00:59:33,020 --> 00:59:36,890

them, quote unquote, than us, right?

:

00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:44,630

And the situation in Battlestar

Galactica is not that like, yeah,

:

00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:48,500

there's some religious bullshit

clearly happening with the Geminis.

:

00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:51,500

Like Geminis got problems

:

00:59:51,735 --> 00:59:52,025

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:55,910

Laura: and they think all their

holy books are gonna solve them,

:

00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,160

which I don't believe that they are.

:

00:59:58,940 --> 01:00:02,480

Jury's still out on

Picon or whatever it was.

:

01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:06,121

No, it's uh, Pythia, excuse

me, the book of Pythia.

:

01:00:06,211 --> 01:00:06,481

Right?

:

01:00:08,041 --> 01:00:13,801

But the situation, as far as our

characters know it, is that we

:

01:00:13,801 --> 01:00:16,711

have less than 50,000 people.

:

01:00:17,761 --> 01:00:20,401

We keep losing people because

we're still under attack.

:

01:00:22,636 --> 01:00:27,988

Like Admiral Adama said, the

number doesn't go up very often.

:

01:00:28,153 --> 01:00:28,443

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:00:30,254 --> 01:00:37,094

Laura: That is a very different situation

than anything that us humans here on

:

01:00:37,094 --> 01:00:41,354

earth are in or have been in for eons.

:

01:00:41,984 --> 01:00:42,344

Right.

:

01:00:43,664 --> 01:00:47,834

So I'm trying to look at Rosalyn's

decision in that context of like,

:

01:00:47,834 --> 01:00:52,364

well, yeah, what do you do then?

:

01:00:53,114 --> 01:00:56,684

And I'm wondering to myself,

if I was in Rosalyn's shoes, is

:

01:00:56,684 --> 01:00:58,514

this a decision I would've made?

:

01:00:59,414 --> 01:01:04,634

And I think the answer is if I didn't

think very long about it, yeah.

:

01:01:04,634 --> 01:01:11,294

I really might have like just

the surface level decision.

:

01:01:11,834 --> 01:01:16,724

If you don't consider context and.

:

01:01:17,826 --> 01:01:22,086

All the things that can happen

to a human to make this happen.

:

01:01:23,616 --> 01:01:26,046

It's pretty easy to go

to just that number.

:

01:01:26,106 --> 01:01:29,286

Like we need to make the number go up

and this is how we make the number go up.

:

01:01:30,036 --> 01:01:33,966

But I, I gotta come back to,

should have known better.

:

01:01:34,296 --> 01:01:36,606

This is not how you should

make that number go up.

:

01:01:36,606 --> 01:01:42,036

Gais is kind of right about that,

but I, I can't give him credit

:

01:01:42,036 --> 01:01:46,356

for it because he manipulated

this to happen for his own gain.

:

01:01:46,701 --> 01:01:47,181

Xhafer: Yes.

:

01:01:48,156 --> 01:01:54,156

Laura: He is the one who put all of

this in place with probably bad science.

:

01:01:55,716 --> 01:01:58,626

And Rosalyn should have known better.

:

01:02:00,396 --> 01:02:01,416

She should know better.

:

01:02:01,656 --> 01:02:04,776

She should have been thinking about this

earlier and should have known better.

:

01:02:05,597 --> 01:02:09,197

if you've really got a birth rate

problem, maybe you've gotta tackle

:

01:02:09,197 --> 01:02:13,787

that through systems of support.

:

01:02:15,122 --> 01:02:20,792

Through honest discussion and debate

about how we solve this problem.

:

01:02:21,392 --> 01:02:25,772

Maybe you need some sort of

educational campaign about

:

01:02:26,192 --> 01:02:28,712

this and you make it something,

:

01:02:29,486 --> 01:02:38,216

that is supported and desirable really,

but you cannot go to, we're gonna

:

01:02:38,216 --> 01:02:45,408

violate a woman's bodily autonomy

to make this happen because then

:

01:02:45,408 --> 01:02:47,478

you've created a second class citizen

:

01:02:48,063 --> 01:02:48,483

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:02:49,128 --> 01:02:50,208

Laura: in your society.

:

01:02:51,168 --> 01:02:55,514

The one that doesn't get the same

bo bodily autonomy as the other,

:

01:02:57,224 --> 01:03:02,924

because we've thrown up these reasons

of, yeah, the we're all gonna die.

:

01:03:02,924 --> 01:03:04,454

Reason is pretty compelling.

:

01:03:05,384 --> 01:03:05,864

But I.

:

01:03:05,894 --> 01:03:06,254

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:03:07,274 --> 01:03:08,564

Laura: What are you living for?

:

01:03:08,564 --> 01:03:13,454

If no one, if, if half of your

population or a, a large segment

:

01:03:13,454 --> 01:03:16,994

of your population isn't truly free

like the rest of the population.

:

01:03:17,294 --> 01:03:22,993

So I had to think about it a long

time, but that's where I'm at.

:

01:03:23,143 --> 01:03:25,558

Roslyn is wrong, guys.

:

01:03:25,558 --> 01:03:30,613

Gais, Gais fucking tricked her

into it, but she's still wrong.

:

01:03:32,173 --> 01:03:36,763

Everyone in this episode was wrong

today and should have known better.

:

01:03:38,293 --> 01:03:42,866

I don't think there's a damn person

we saw on screen who killed it.

:

01:03:42,896 --> 01:03:43,556

Nailed it.

:

01:03:44,512 --> 01:03:44,872

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:03:45,712 --> 01:03:47,362

No, it's, it's pretty fucked.

:

01:03:48,217 --> 01:03:48,517

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:03:49,027 --> 01:03:52,387

So does that make it a bad episode?

:

01:03:52,387 --> 01:03:54,517

No, not necessarily.

:

01:03:54,607 --> 01:03:56,887

But didn't have a good time.

:

01:03:57,477 --> 01:03:58,932

I gotta give this one, like maybe eight.

:

01:03:59,749 --> 01:04:01,737

Xhafer: Yeah, it seems fair.

:

01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,740

yeah, I, I, I like eight.

:

01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,210

I think eight's a good call.

:

01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:11,310

Um, it definitely made me feel

things, it made me feel things in

:

01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:14,520

a way that made me want to think

about it and talk about it, and not

:

01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:16,440

in a fuck this episode kind of way.

:

01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:17,460

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,850

Xhafer: although I think listener,

if you feel like this is a fuck

:

01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:22,080

this episode for you, you're

:

01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:22,720

Laura: Salad.

:

01:04:23,185 --> 01:04:24,360

Xhafer: a hundred percent valid.

:

01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,740

You're just gonna throw that out there.

:

01:04:26,415 --> 01:04:27,045

Laura: Snaps.

:

01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:27,930

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:27,945 --> 01:04:28,725

Laura: for, go for it.

:

01:04:28,725 --> 01:04:28,875

Yeah.

:

01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:35,130

Xhafer: Um, you know, obviously my

perspective on it is going to be

:

01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:42,440

a little less vulnerable feeling

because it inherently impacts me

:

01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,910

less due to my life experience.

:

01:04:44,875 --> 01:04:46,045

and I recognize that.

:

01:04:46,255 --> 01:04:47,425

And you know,

:

01:04:48,085 --> 01:04:49,615

Laura: And this is the kind of

:

01:04:49,645 --> 01:04:55,615

thing that there, there's a certain

kind of dude who loves to, to throw

:

01:04:55,615 --> 01:04:59,515

this kind of thought, experiment

out there and be like, well, what

:

01:04:59,515 --> 01:05:02,725

if this, then we shouldn't allow it.

:

01:05:02,725 --> 01:05:03,175

Right.

:

01:05:03,205 --> 01:05:03,985

You know, and

:

01:05:04,165 --> 01:05:05,695

Xhafer: does that matter for fucking now?

:

01:05:05,904 --> 01:05:09,685

And that's the same motherfucker who

will sit around and talk about, well,

:

01:05:09,775 --> 01:05:14,305

simulation theory, you know, statistically

speaking, it's more likely that we're

:

01:05:14,305 --> 01:05:16,435

living in a simulation in reality.

:

01:05:16,495 --> 01:05:17,635

And I'm like, cool.

:

01:05:17,695 --> 01:05:18,925

Does it fucking matter?

:

01:05:19,855 --> 01:05:20,095

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

01:05:20,485 --> 01:05:24,505

Xhafer: Explain to me how it fucking

matters, and then we can entertain a

:

01:05:24,505 --> 01:05:29,695

conversation about it, because I hate to

pull out fucking Newton's flaming laser

:

01:05:29,695 --> 01:05:34,525

sword on shit because it is a logical

fallacy as much as it is a logical razor.

:

01:05:35,154 --> 01:05:40,435

But if it has no impact on absolutely

any aspect of anything you're ever

:

01:05:40,435 --> 01:05:45,654

going to fucking do, think or feel

for anyone who has ever lived or

:

01:05:45,654 --> 01:05:49,495

will ever live, then it's probably

not worth fucking talking about.

:

01:05:50,125 --> 01:05:51,175

Get fucked.

:

01:05:51,865 --> 01:05:54,235

Sorry, I got a little emotional there.

:

01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:55,769

Uh,

:

01:05:56,689 --> 01:05:59,569

Laura: I mean, I, I don't

think Ronnie d is doing that to

:

01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:59,959

me.

:

01:06:00,019 --> 01:06:05,389

Like I don't think I, this is a

very well orchestrated story that

:

01:06:05,389 --> 01:06:09,439

made me think really hard about

putting myself in that position.

:

01:06:10,099 --> 01:06:17,709

Um, but there is a certain person who

will do these kinds of things as like,

:

01:06:18,189 --> 01:06:20,079

I don't know, the devil's advocate role.

:

01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,849

I try not to think too hard about.

:

01:06:22,299 --> 01:06:23,709

These people,

:

01:06:24,038 --> 01:06:24,459

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:06:24,909 --> 01:06:29,559

Laura: but you know, the ones listener,

you know, you know what I'm talking about?

:

01:06:31,005 --> 01:06:35,145

Xhafer: I just looked up the director

for this one to be all like, I wonder

:

01:06:35,145 --> 01:06:38,625

what else they've done, if they've

handled anything with, you know, a level

:

01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:42,825

of like gravitas or maybe like nuance.

:

01:06:43,815 --> 01:06:53,359

So this is uh, Sergio Miku Razan who

made a career being fucking Spielberg's

:

01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:56,719

assistant director for Schindler's List.

:

01:06:58,759 --> 01:07:00,259

Saving Private Ryan.

:

01:07:00,499 --> 01:07:01,999

Like, I'm looking at this list.

:

01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,309

I mean, it's not all like that.

:

01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:08,719

I mean, there's, there's some TV in

here, um, you know, episodes of like

:

01:07:08,749 --> 01:07:10,788

heroes and hell on wheels and stuff.

:

01:07:10,788 --> 01:07:16,919

But also like, as a, as a director,

but assistant director, it's like.

:

01:07:17,624 --> 01:07:18,434

Amistad.

:

01:07:18,434 --> 01:07:20,384

He was first assistant director.

:

01:07:20,834 --> 01:07:21,614

Laura: Damn.

:

01:07:23,774 --> 01:07:25,663

Xhafer: There's some movies on this list.

:

01:07:25,964 --> 01:07:27,944

Mussolini, the Untold Story.

:

01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:29,504

First assistant director.

:

01:07:29,744 --> 01:07:30,704

Laura: I don't know anything about

:

01:07:30,704 --> 01:07:32,774

Xhafer: A fucking Sophie's Choice.

:

01:07:34,379 --> 01:07:35,219

Sophie's Choice.

:

01:07:36,974 --> 01:07:37,364

Oh no.

:

01:07:38,684 --> 01:07:39,494

Laura: Okay.

:

01:07:40,064 --> 01:07:40,663

Alright.

:

01:07:40,814 --> 01:07:42,524

I see why this was

:

01:07:43,214 --> 01:07:43,484

Xhafer: no.

:

01:07:43,694 --> 01:07:44,804

Laura: the way it was,

:

01:07:47,624 --> 01:07:48,284

huh?

:

01:07:55,364 --> 01:07:55,934

All right.

:

01:07:56,294 --> 01:07:56,894

Yeah.

:

01:07:57,704 --> 01:07:58,184

okay.

:

01:07:58,484 --> 01:07:59,594

I mean, I don't feel.

:

01:08:00,637 --> 01:08:02,407

I don't feel mad at this episode.

:

01:08:02,437 --> 01:08:08,287

Well, I mean, yes, but I don't feel like

it was bad work by anybody who did it.

:

01:08:08,317 --> 01:08:11,047

I'm mad at all the characters

for all the things they did.

:

01:08:11,857 --> 01:08:12,247

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:18,600

Oh God, they also, okay, so they

did six episodes of Battlestar,

:

01:08:19,265 --> 01:08:19,615

Laura: Uhhuh.

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01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:20,779

Xhafer: uh, Season ones.

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01:08:20,779 --> 01:08:21,950

You Can't Go Home Again.

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01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:27,920

Uh, Fragmented in Home Part One from this

season in addition to this, and then also

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01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,810

the first two episodes of season three.

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So that means something to

some of our listeners as well.

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Laura: Okay.

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01:08:35,540 --> 01:08:39,529

Well, I look forward to understanding

whatever they just nodded about.

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01:08:39,649 --> 01:08:40,069

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:40,970

Okay.

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,590

Fuck.

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01:08:42,979 --> 01:08:43,700

All right.

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01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:46,979

Well, I just learned some things.

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01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:47,850

Okay, cool.

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01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:52,229

Well, um, oh yeah, but rating the episode.

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Yeah.

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Eight.

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01:08:52,859 --> 01:08:53,309

Sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Fine.

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Xhafer: Fine.

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01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:57,080

Laura: Splendid.

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I think it's, is it time for you to

tell me what we have up next week?

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01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:03,800

Xhafer: yeah, I can't wait

to tell you about this.

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01:09:03,859 --> 01:09:04,100

This

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01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:04,399

is.

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01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:05,090

Laura: ready.

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01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:12,020

Xhafer: We have, I, it depends on what

you consider to be a bottle episode.

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01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:19,109

But for most definitions, I feel

like this is a bottle episode.

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01:09:19,923 --> 01:09:27,542

we have season two episode 18

downloaded after Boomer's consciousness

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01:09:27,693 --> 01:09:29,733

is downloaded into a new body.

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Following her death, she has trouble

adjusting to her new life on cylon

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occupied Caprica number six is asked

to help her adjust to her new role in

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Laura: oh, no.

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01:09:45,033 --> 01:09:45,603

Oh no.

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01:09:45,603 --> 01:09:46,983

That's not gonna go well.

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01:09:50,408 --> 01:09:50,648

Xhafer: we'll

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01:09:50,813 --> 01:09:51,533

Laura: Hmm.

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01:09:52,283 --> 01:09:52,763

I see.

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01:09:52,763 --> 01:09:55,103

I feel answers coming our way.

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01:09:55,778 --> 01:09:58,148

Xhafer: That's hmm.

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01:09:59,452 --> 01:10:02,123

Laura: Oh, more questions than answers.

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01:10:02,333 --> 01:10:08,558

Xhafer: Um, I'm not answering on purpose,

um, but I am very excited for this

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01:10:08,558 --> 01:10:16,338

episode for one particular reason which

will be very obvious when you get to it.

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01:10:16,428 --> 01:10:21,318

And I want you to know in the discord

there has, in the, in the spoiler chat,

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01:10:21,468 --> 01:10:25,278

there has been a conversation going for,

I'm guessing about a week and a half

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01:10:25,278 --> 01:10:31,278

at this point, about what to refer

to a character in this episode as

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01:10:31,593 --> 01:10:34,113

Laura: Oh, okay.

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01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:38,058

Xhafer: at least I'm pretty sure this

is the episode where that, that happens.

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01:10:38,568 --> 01:10:39,948

Um, we'll see.

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01:10:40,491 --> 01:10:41,211

Laura: Okay.

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01:10:41,691 --> 01:10:42,591

I'm excited.

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01:10:42,861 --> 01:10:43,761

I've gotta watch now.

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01:10:43,761 --> 01:10:43,791

Mm.

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01:10:44,316 --> 01:10:44,886

Xhafer: you do.

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01:10:46,115 --> 01:10:49,235

oh, we'll probably, are we

gonna, I think the next one

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01:10:49,235 --> 01:10:52,325

we're gonna record not live, but

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01:10:52,475 --> 01:10:53,465

Laura: I thought so.

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01:10:53,705 --> 01:10:54,095

Yeah.

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01:10:54,245 --> 01:10:54,755

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:10:55,145 --> 01:10:58,625

Li live isn't the right word

in person is the right word.

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01:10:59,195 --> 01:11:01,025

Um, yeah, I think we're

gonna be recording.

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01:11:01,025 --> 01:11:03,695

The next one in person will be the

second time we've ever done that.

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01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:04,650

Laura: Uhhuh.

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01:11:05,615 --> 01:11:10,235

Xhafer: And we'll be coming to you

from the, the cabin on vacation.

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01:11:11,135 --> 01:11:11,675

Laura: Yeah.

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01:11:11,735 --> 01:11:16,055

Xhafer: possibly a drunk episode,

Possibly drop-ins from random

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01:11:16,055 --> 01:11:21,005

members of the, the W Hoppa, her

network who are in the room with us,

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01:11:21,785 --> 01:11:24,934

uh, or maybe like my sister

or some college friends.

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01:11:24,934 --> 01:11:25,295

We'll see.

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01:11:27,425 --> 01:11:28,535

Laura: Hopefully not my children.

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01:11:28,535 --> 01:11:29,675

We'll try to avoid that part.

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01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:37,380

Xhafer: But uh, with all that said, we

do have a couple things left to say.

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01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:40,650

Namely, thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

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01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:43,980

Jeremy, I hope you've

been doing well, buddy.

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01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:46,320

I think about you sometimes.

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,040

I know we don't talk much, but you

know, I'll see a a a post on the

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,640

Facebook and it looks like you're

making the most outta everything

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,080

you get, and I fucking appreciate

that and I'm really happy for you.

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,430

You can find more of Jeremy's work

at Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com

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01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:04,620

and on streaming services,

it's nuclear Jaguar.

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01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:10,800

Laura: Truly Jeremy's Instagram

and socials look like he is having

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01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,320

the most fun on the most stages.

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01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:19,860

So congratulations Jeremy Siegel,

and also having the most fun in

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01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:22,620

Instagram angry duck time machine.

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01:12:23,370 --> 01:12:25,410

Do an artwork, check him out.

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01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:26,850

Thanks for our podcast artwork.

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01:12:27,192 --> 01:12:28,897

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this podcast.

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01:12:29,352 --> 01:12:30,582

Appreciate the hell outta ya.

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01:12:31,302 --> 01:12:34,512

Making sure this gets out on

time and uh, you know, we'll, uh,

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01:12:34,842 --> 01:12:36,162

we'll hang out about it next week.

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01:12:36,162 --> 01:12:36,192

I.

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01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:41,850

Laura: Yeah, and hey listeners, maybe you

can't come hang out with us in a cabin,

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01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,809

but you can hang out with us on Discord

and we promise it will be a great time.

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01:12:46,214 --> 01:12:46,414

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:12:46,924 --> 01:12:47,734

Laura: Come on.

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01:12:47,734 --> 01:12:49,354

Should be in the show notes.

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01:12:49,827 --> 01:12:51,327

Come on over the water's fine.

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01:12:51,743 --> 01:12:52,583

Xhafer: we'll see you next week.

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01:12:52,583 --> 01:12:52,973

Internet.

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01:12:53,299 --> 01:12:53,359

Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.