BSG S2E2 - Everyone Hates Rick Berman
In this week's episode, Laura and Xhafer discuss the harrowing events of Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 2: Valley of Darkness. Laura warns against sticking a gun in your pants. Xhafer braces Laura for the next inevitable messed-up thing the show will throw at her.
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Transcript
Hey listener, quick content warning.
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:This is the one where we have the dream
sequence where Adam drowns a baby.
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:We're gonna talk about it.
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:If you don't want to hear us
talk about it, I don't blame
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:you to be perfectly honest.
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:It's jarring as fuck.
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:Uh, So we'll just catch you next week.
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:No worries.
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:Uh, But we just wanted to give you
a heads up that that's this episode.
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:Laura: Hello and welcome to Who Are You?
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:We're a reasonably well done sci-fi
watch cast by a couple of friends who are
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:watching 2000 fours Battlestar Galactica.
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:I'm Laura
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:Xhafer: And I'm Jair.
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:Laura: and Jennifer.
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:I have
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:a question.
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:Xhafer: Oh, what's up?
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:Laura: Is.
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:This episode, kind of like season twos 33.
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:Xhafer: It feels that way, doesn't
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:Laura: It was pretty suspenseful.
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:Xhafer: It was
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:Laura: like suspense.
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:Xhafer: So, um.
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:I think I mentioned it a while ago that
I had picked up the Mark Altman, book
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:about the making of Battlestar Galactica.
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:Laura: Right.
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:Uhhuh.
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:Xhafer: Um, this is the guy who did, if
you see those like, 50 year journeys or
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:whatever, there's these two volume Star
Trek book that's like seven, 800 pages.
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:There's these massive things all
about the making of Star Trek from.
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:Pre TOS through to, I think it ends
sometime around the JJ Abrams movies.
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:Laura: Oh, okay.
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:So it goes that far.
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:Xhafer: I think, I think it goes that far.
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:I don't think it makes it to
Discovery, but I haven't read them.
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:But I remember them
being out for a while at
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:Laura: Oh no, I've seen this thing.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: so in 2018 he went
and did interviews with.
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:Everyone he could for Battlestar
Galactica original and remake
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: and I have started reading this
just home, it's gotta be seven, 800 pages.
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:Laura: Wow.
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:Xhafer: I got super lucky.
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:I found a used copy online for $12.
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:If you look at this thing
on Amazon, it's 120.
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:Laura: Ooh,
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:Xhafer: It's, it's been outta print for.
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:Seven, eight years
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: and it's never
gonna get a reprint.
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:And I got a first edition hardcover for
12 bucks just by SC and used book sites.
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:So thrift books love that shit.
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:Laura: In, in a couple of years.
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:Can I borrow that?
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:Xhafer: for sure.
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:I am actually hoping to be done with
it before I see you this summer.
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:Laura: I know, but I can't take it from
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:you this summer.
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:Xhafer: Oh yeah.
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:Oh no, actually I can,
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:Laura: spoily
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:Xhafer: I can actually tell you for
sure because I started reading, I
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:did, I skipped the original making
of the original Battlestar stuff
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:'cause I wanted to get to things
that we could talk about on pod.
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:And I did, I started
reading this book yesterday.
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:I read about a hundred pages.
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:Laura: Okay.
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:' Xhafer: cause I, I read very quickly.
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:Laura: I imagine there's
some stuff in there that we
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:can talk about.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: there's stuff about this
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:episode.
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:Laura: Oh, well that's handy.
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:Xhafer: Specifically about the, like
wizardry of the set crew to move, like,
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:so when they built the Battlestar sets,
well, when they, when they started
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:making the show, a lot of the things
were, whenever Star Trek turned right,
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:were turning left because a lot of the
feelings of this show from Ron Moore
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:were a very coming out of a very negative
experience leading being Star Trek,
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:Laura: Mm.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: and, uh, man, everyone has talked
shit about Rick Berman in this book.
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:It's so great.
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:Everyone hates Rick Berman.
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:people are talking about like.
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:Just like I hear Steven Bayers
just all like, man, you know,
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:like Brandon and, and Ron.
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:They're great dudes.
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:It's, it's a, you know, the Voyager
almost caught them, their friendship.
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:They, they had a really tough time
adjusting to different things and what
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:Ron wanted to do and all these things.
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:Ron was talking about doing, about
Voyager sustaining damage and keeping
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:damage about Voyager, meeting up with
like an alien flotilla and having to
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:escort them through space and stuff, and.
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:You know, at what point does
their culture stop being starlee?
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:Should they have elections?
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:Like why is Janeway just
always the captain and
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:unquestionable and all this shit?
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:And I'm just all like,
this is all Battlestar.
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:Every single thing he wanted to do
in Voyager, he did in Battlestar.
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: But one of the things.
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:Yeah, they, and they like
down to how it's shot.
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:Like they're talking about how Star Trek
does, like the establishing shot of the
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:room, the twofer, the closeup on one,
the closeup on the other, the twofer,
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:the establishing shot, like they do,
they followed this pattern and how they
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:tried so hard in their set design to
break these patterns to, to make it so
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:that you could do the West Wing style.
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:That we see so much of, and
because of that decision early
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:on led in this episode, a lot of
their hallways were very modular
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: so that they could dress up
one hallway 20 times by just moving the
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:set pieces around very quickly, which
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:Laura: There's a lot of
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:Xhafer: afford to make this episode.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:No, I, I can definitely
see a difference visually.
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:Just thinking about it, it, it almost
seems like, I don't wanna say reality
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:TV 'cause that's not quite right, but
some of the shots feel very like reality
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:too intimate or not, not staged in
the way that Star Trek feels staged.
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:You know what I'm saying?
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:And especially when we go through
a lot of, lot of suspense and
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:chaos in this particular episode.
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:Should we tell the
people what episode we're
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:discussing?
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:Xhafer: we're watching season two,
episode two, valley of Darkness.
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:Laura: Not quite as like,
gripping a title as 33.
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:Like 33.
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:You wonder what's going on.
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:Like,
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:Xhafer: I mean, valley
Darkness is not a happy title.
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:Laura: It's not a happy title,
but it, it's not as like,
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:huh, what's happening here?
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:I, I kind of know something's dark.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Something's got for sure.
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:Billy.
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:It gets shut down by
d in our opening here.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: As power immediately
goes out on the Galactica, gada
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:says this is a residual effect
of the virus in the system.
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:As LSO Captain Kelly let CIC
know that they have been boarded.
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:Laura: Billy really got hit below
the belt here in this opening scene.
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:Xhafer: Billy gets it rough here.
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:Uh, Not that he doesn't deserve
it, because if we remember his last
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:interaction with Dee was effectively using
her for information for the president.
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:Laura: Uh, Yeah.
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:Their last like, romantic
interaction, right?
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:Yeah, that's
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:true.
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:Xhafer: And he's on this ship right
now because his boss is in the brick.
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:Laura: Yeah, I wasn't clear
like, why is Billy on the ship?
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:Is he on the ship?
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:Like he's not in the bri with her.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: So why did they
bring everyone over?
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:Did I miss something?
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:Xhafer: Um, I mean, they did talk about
how they had to cut into, colonial
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:One, so maybe there were some worries
about mechanical issues uh, on the
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:ship
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:Laura: not sound
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:anymore.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Maybe, maybe not as
many people should be on there.
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:And Billy volunteered, um, he might've
just gone with Rosaly because of.
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:Him being the chief of staff or whatever,
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:the page or assistant, whatever his
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:Laura: almost seems like Ty
should have like locked him
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:up somewhere though, right?
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:Xhafer: I would think so.
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:Laura: I, I would think Ty would do that.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: I think if he's on the
ship, he's in the break for sure.
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:But maybe, just in a like.
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:I, I, I, I don't know why you'd
want Billy running around doing the
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:president's business on this ship,
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:Laura: Talking to your people.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: yeah, like, but that's
probably what he'd be there to
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:do if he was not in the brig.
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:I don't understand that decision, but,
you know, uh, Ty fucks up a bunch, so
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I mean.
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:We get Ty in this opening, just
like staring at Adama wishing he
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:was Adama or that Adama wasn't there
and he was there instead of Adama.
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:Like
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:He's just in sick bay
as all this goes down.
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:Laura: he's so out of his element.
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:and the pilots come home.
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:Xhafer: Yes, they're all
celebrating because they blew up
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:the thing and they're all happy,
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Apollo and the nuggets,
find centurions to theme, so
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:their enthusiasm quickly fades.
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:Laura: Yeah, Lee kind of knows
something is wrong because
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:he's like, we let one through.
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:You should not celebrate.
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:He says that to his pilots and like, we
are going to look to see what's going on.
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:Maybe it's the power goes out.
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:I can't remember exactly.
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:And yeah, they stumble on the centurions.
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:Xhafer: Cat hotdog and Apollo are saved by
Marines with their last explosive round.
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:They head to the BRI to get the president
to safety while CIC warns the fleet,
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:or at least attempts to warn the fleet
before communications are killed.
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:Laura: Yeah, so remember how we
needed Doc Coddle really bad.
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:Xhafer: Yeah,
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:Laura: We can't even let
him on the ship right
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:now.
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:like
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:Xhafer: It's like episodes
before a DAMA sees do coddle.
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:Laura: It's crazy.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:We've had one episode where they
were just trying to get back to the
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:right area of space, and now we've
got episode two where they're trying
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:to get the battle bots off the ship,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: disable all the
battle bots, like just wild.
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:Xhafer: Apollo gives Billy a
side arm and tasks Billy along
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:with Vermer, the np, Verner Vener
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:Laura: Oh wait, how did they get to there?
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:Xhafer: they, they went to the bri.
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:That was, they're like, okay, well Lee
knows the president's in the brick because
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:he's got the adjoining cell, right?
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:So he is like, okay, so let's go
make sure the president isn't dead
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:and get the president to safety.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I wanna see a like.
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:Ship plans or blueprints.
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:And so I know exactly where the
BRI was compared to this action.
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:Like they make it seem like the, the
BRI is in between two points that the
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:cys are interested in or something.
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:And so because Rosalyn and Billy
like hear gunfire in the bri,
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:so they're close.
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:Xhafer: I mean, it would make sense
to put it kind of in the center
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:of the ship so that you could get
people there from anywhere quickly.
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:Laura: That's a good point.
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:And then like they can't easily be
sprung from the middle of the ship.
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:Right.
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:If you have your bri along the
hull or something, that could be
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:a problem.
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:Xhafer: I mean, you might want
that so you can space them easy,
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:but that's a whole other thing.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:That's a whole
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:Xhafer: the Roslyn Special
Break next to an airlock
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:Laura: And it's the gunshots
that gets Rosalyn to convince
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:the guard to let her out
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Laura: because like we are all
sitting ducks here, but maybe if we
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:can get moving then we might survive,
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:so,
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:Xhafer: Lee sends them to Sik Bay because
it is the safest place on the ship.
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:He, he rattles off a couple
of reasons really quick.
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:It's enclosed, it's meant
to act as a shelter, like,
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Okay.
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:Sure.
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:Laura: I'll buy it.
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:It seems urgent.
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:We go somewhere
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Uh, Sik Bay's actually made out of
entirely the black box material,
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:so it's meant to survive in case
the rest of the ship gets blown up.
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Xhafer: That's an, that's
an old Seinfeld joke.
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:Laura: Why, why don't they make the
planes out of the black box material?
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:Xhafer: 'cause it's too fucking heavy.
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:Not a concern in space.
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:Laura: True.
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:Yeah.
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:If you don't have landing craft, right.
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:Xhafer: They decided to head to
an arm's locker to look for more
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:explosive rounds, and this is when
we cut over to Caprica, yellow.
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:Starbuck and Hilo tried to
figure out a way off world.
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:Laura: She's so mad.
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:Xhafer: God, the look Hilo
gets when he says that he was
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:one step ahead of the cys.
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:A plus.
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:Katie sack off.
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:This is the best acting.
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:Ever.
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:Just like I, like, I mean,
suspending disbelief aside of
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:sci-fi and robots and all of that.
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:I was so bought in to, she was sick
of his bullshit from this one look.
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:Perfect.
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:Just like, oh, one step
ahead of the silence, Uhhuh.
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:Laura: Uh Huh.
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:Yeah, he's, he's starting to put
together like all the little cognitive
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:pieces that he had missed and having
to like unravel, like, wait, no.
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:I think he doesn't even like get it,
that like, he's like, she was so real,
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:like, like our Sharon, and he's not like.
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:Making the next step to like
our, Sharon wasn't real either.
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:Like
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Versus Starbuck who the
second, she's like, oh, shit.
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:Laura: mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: Immediately knows
that boomer's a problem.
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:Laura: But I guess maybe Hilo
wouldn't really have enough
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:information at this point.
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:Right?
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:Because he doesn't know
there's 12 models of
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:Cy.
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:Xhafer: yeah, his thing has been
that the silences have cloned humans.
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:Laura: Uh huh.
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:Xhafer: And are making them
do their bidding somehow.
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:Not that these are actually just Cy.
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:Laura: right.
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:He, he can't know that like, oh,
there wasn't a real person that Sharon
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:was based on, like, this is just.
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:Sharon Sharon's our all cylon.
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:He can't really know that with what
he's been given on that planet.
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:Yeah.
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:But he is mad at himself.
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:He's mad that he fell
in love with a machine.
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:Um, and she says that the CYS
make them all look like idiots.
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:I.
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:Xhafer: After this ties back in
CIC uh, he knows the silence plan.
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:He, you know.
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:Had done some shit, you know, first
silent war, et cetera, et cetera.
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:He's all like, no, they're going
to auxiliary gun control and
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:auxiliary damage control because
on this type of ship, those are not
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:particularly well protected sections.
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:And from there you can vent everyone
on the ship into space and then
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:kill everyone else around you.
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:That's the plan.
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:Laura: Yeah, that sucks.
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:I mean, I'm glad he's here to know that
I, I didn't realize he was like putting
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:things together from his past experience.
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:I thought they were just like all.
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:You know, like techno babbling together
and then suddenly we know the thing
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:and we explain it to everybody.
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:Xhafer: No, he, he looks at like
the path that they're heading in and
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:is and says, I've seen this before.
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:Like, I know exactly what
they're trying to do right now.
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:This is old s maneuvering.
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:This is
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: this is not fancy new cylon shit.
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:These, these chrome
domes aren't that much.
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:I mean, they're, they're deadlier.
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:They got claw hands.
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:They're gonna wolverine your ass,
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:but they're not that much different than
the silence he had previously encountered.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:We can't have flashbacks of
whatever that was when he.
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:Felt that happen before, because we
just flashback to all the mustache
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:Adama in the episode before, so
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:Xhafer: Yeah, we don't even
see him in the military before.
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:Laura: Yeah, that's true.
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:We see him after military.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: yeah, he gets
reinstated, like they use those
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:words, but who fucking knows
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:So over on cobol, we have Gais again at
the Raptor one crash site, and he's back
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:to Christing and hallucinating Adama.
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:This time
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Adama just comes in on this dream
sequence, pulls a snit ski and just
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:drop, kicks this baby into the river.
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:Laura: so GaiS thinks
he's holding this baby.
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:That was like revealed
in the last episode.
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:Right?
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: And I.
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:Adama asks to hold it and says, is
this the shape of things to come?
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:He asks him that, and I think
Gaas answers in the affirmative,
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:I can't remember exactly.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:He, it's, I think he says something
like, that's my understanding,
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: because I think he said
the same thing to six earlier.
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:Like two episodes
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:Laura: he
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:asked.
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:Yeah.
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:This is the shape of things to come.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: And Gais, I guess, is like bought
in at least later in this episode.
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:It makes me think he's bought in, um,
into the robot baby because Adama goes
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:to drop, kick the baby into the river.
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:He's like chasing after him
desperately pleading not to
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:do the thing he's gonna do.
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:I'm so confused.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Adama, gets all biblical,
but forgets the basket.
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:it's uh, it's pretty,
it's, it's very jarring.
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:I mean, it's supposed to be jarring, like
the whole point of like, you know, it's a
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:dream immediately because Baltar is not in
the woods and Adama is there immediately.
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:They just showed us him in Sik Bay right
before, you know, like, that's fresh.
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:That wasn't an accident.
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:That was, that was to
remind us where he is.
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:So that way when we see this, we know
it's a dream before it gets started.
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:Laura: right.
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:Xhafer: And so when Adama just takes and.
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:Drowns this baby,
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: which we should probably throw
a content warning on this episode.
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:Actually,
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:Laura: This whole show
is a big content warning.
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:Like everything Battlestar
Galactica, just assume something
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:messed up is gonna happen.
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:Xhafer: we haven't even gotten
close to the worst of it.
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:Laura: Oh, yay.
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:So it seems like.
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:Maybe the stream sequence
is all metaphor too.
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:Like
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:Xhafer: Yes.
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:Laura: there's another drop for
you that, you know, it's, maybe
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:it's not even about real babies.
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:Like we know that Sharon supposedly
had gotten pregnant and there's real
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:robot human baby happening there, but.
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:It feels like six is warming gais to
the idea of like, we can live together
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:maybe in a sort of new human evolution.
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:Xhafer: Do the thing
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:instead of all of this happening
before happening again, maybe.
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:Laura: Yeah, I don't know, but, but
Adama will be a roadblock to that.
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:He will not accept this idea.
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:Xhafer: no, no.
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:no.
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:Adama is not down for the
shape of things to come.
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:Laura: yeah, so like, maybe you should
consider that Gais and he wakes up with
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:six PT there and he is totally crazed.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, he is hysterical.
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:Um, I.
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:And in the very literal sense, just
like freaking out cannot be calmed down.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:He's like, he's, he drowned
our baby or something.
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:I think he says.
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:And uh, have you ever woken,
like totally crazed from a dream?
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:Xhafer: Um, I think we, we, if
we talk, I don't really dream.
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:Laura: Yeah, you have mentioned that
before, so you haven't done it then.
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:I guess
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:Xhafer: not, not that I recall.
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:Laura: I've, I can remember
one occasion very vividly,
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:Xhafer: Okay.
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:Laura: I had like hallucinated that
a giant spider had come down from the
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:ceiling, like, and landed on my pillow
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: right in front of
my face and I about ripped.
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:Like Aaron's arm off,
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:like crazed gaas, but mumbling
a yelling about a spider, like
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: real.
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:Xhafer: I don't know that I,
I've had dreams where like, they
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:are so stark, it wakes me up
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:and then I do not get
back to sleep very easily.
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:but most of the times when I have
a dream, it's my workday and I
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:go to work and I work all day.
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:And then I, when I'm getting
ready to leave work, I wake up
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:and then I have to go to work.
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:Laura: Yeah, no, my, my brain is working
through some shit and it's doing it in
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:graphic and colorful ways in the night.
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:Yeah.
468
:Xhafer: Um, I'm jealous.
469
:Incredibly jealous.
470
:Laura: I don't know, man,
I don't think he should be.
471
:Xhafer: you say that, but, I feel
like I'm missing out on like a
472
:third of my life by not dreaming.
473
:Laura: Aw.
474
:Xhafer: Like, like really?
475
:I, I, I'm in, I'm very jealous.
476
:One of the highlights of my morning
is when Beth wakes up and I hear
477
:about her dreams because I get to
experience that kind of, you know,
478
:sensation and feeling secondhand.
479
:I, because I don't get it
personally, very rarely.
480
:Um, you know, maybe once every couple
of months I'll have a very mundane dream
481
:and then maybe every couple of years
I will have a like vivid out there.
482
:Dream.
483
:Laura: Huh.
484
:Wow.
485
:Yeah, no, I'm working through
a lot of stuff all the time.
486
:Like you shut off the, front end here.
487
:Xhafer: Yeah.
488
:Laura: You shut off the front end.
489
:It's no longer operating, and then
the back is just like working away.
490
:It's like we gotta, we gotta
work through this stupid thing
491
:that Laura said at 2:00 PM
492
:Xhafer: Remember three weeks ago when you
saw Spider, when you were doing laundry?
493
:What if it was giant?
494
:Laura: Yeah, so Gaia's Gaia's
front end is also been.
495
:Deactivated and the rest is going crazy.
496
:Um, he says that scripture is
a coverup for savagery when
497
:they like see human skulls all
498
:around them.
499
:Xhafer: Yeah, cobol apparently
real big on the human sacrifice.
500
:Laura: That's what 60 BT tells
501
:him.
502
:Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, all
that has happened before
503
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
504
:Xhafer: and will happen again presumably.
505
:Laura: I don't know how much
I trust the history that six
506
:PT is dropping here, though.
507
:I don't
508
:know.
509
:Xhafer: That's very fair to question.
510
:Laura: Did she just make it up?
511
:What data was she trained on?
512
:I
513
:don't know.
514
:Xhafer: Yeah.
515
:Right.
516
:With six PT.
517
:Just trained on a bunch of conspiracy
theorists and Twitter posts.
518
:Trash ai.
519
:Get it outta here.
520
:Garbage in, garbage out.
521
:Uh, Lee and crew make their way to the
arms locker over piles of bodies to
522
:find very few explosive rounds left.
523
:Another team must have
come by and grabbed some.
524
:Laura: Okay.
525
:There's a lot of bodies in this episode.
526
:Xhafer: yeah.
527
:I mean, we see like there's like
40 dead people, which is a lot when
528
:you're in the tens of thousands.
529
:Laura: Yeah.
530
:And they're, and you presumably,
like your whole population
531
:is in the tens of thousands.
532
:Right?
533
:Xhafer: Yeah.
534
:Laura: Only a fraction of
those are your military people.
535
:Xhafer: Yeah.
536
:Laura: So that is crazy.
537
:And so they, they get into this arms
locker, the keypad doesn't work, but they,
538
:they manage to get in and they come along.
539
:This man called Gmer.
540
:And he's, he's alone with a lot
of dead people in this arm's
541
:locker, and I do not trust Jamer.
542
:I am, I am worried about cylon here.
543
:Xhafer: that's fair.
544
:Laura: Uh, he's a
545
:panicky
546
:mess,
547
:which,
548
:Xhafer: to be, yeah, I think you're
supposed to think he's a silent,
549
:because how could he have survived?
550
:Laura: And they set up the same thing
later in the episode with someone else.
551
:Uh, But yeah, I, I don't trust
Jamer even though he is a, a very
552
:understandable, panicky mess.
553
:Like, I don't think I would
necessarily be handling things
554
:better than Jamer in this moment,
555
:Xhafer: I I think if you're
handling things well,
556
:. You're either very, very compartmentalized
or you need help so badly.
557
:Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
558
:Xhafer: If you're that
compartmentalized, you should see up.
559
:Laura: Yeah.
560
:So I don't know, but I, I
definitely, you know, if I've got
561
:my, like, possible cylons list,
562
:jammer's
563
:Xhafer: Yeah.
564
:Jammer's name is on it.
565
:Laura: Yep.
566
:Xhafer: on the list of Laura.
567
:Laura: So Star BE'S
breaks into her old place.
568
:I guess she lived near Delphi.
569
:Who knew?
570
:Xhafer: Yeah.
571
:Laura: I.
572
:Xhafer: Yeah.
573
:Uh, We see her place, we see
paintings of hers for the first
574
:Laura: Yeah.
575
:Lots of
576
:big,
577
:Xhafer: This, this will come back.
578
:Uh, There's a giant
mural in her living room
579
:Laura: Uhhuh.
580
:Xhafer: that will, is important.
581
:There's like stuff written
along the side of it.
582
:It's important.
583
:Um, it's not supposed
to be important yet, but
584
:Laura: it will be,
585
:Xhafer: It will be, they'll bring it back.
586
:Don't worry.
587
:Uh, It's, it.
588
:Just remember that painting.
589
:Set it aside for later.
590
:Laura: Yep.
591
:Xhafer: she listens to a recording of her
dad playing piano, find some cigars and
592
:waxes poetic about her life before the
fall of the colonies compared to after.
593
:Laura: Yeah.
594
:So I guess this is probably
how we're gonna get more
595
:cigars on Galactica eventually.
596
:Right?
597
:She's bringing 'em
598
:back.
599
:Xhafer: She did take a box with her.
600
:We see it.
601
:She's carrying one
602
:Laura: it's.
603
:It's nice to see us refill the torpedoes.
604
:You know, Voyager's thing about
like, well we just got torpedoes.
605
:Well, Starbuck has a
reason to have cigars.
606
:Yeah.
607
:Xhafer: Yeah.
608
:Laura: so she tells Hilo that
she never missed any of this.
609
:Everyone is fighting for what
they had, but she's just fighting
610
:because she likes fighting.
611
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
612
:Laura: And do you know what
this music was that she puts on?
613
:Xhafer: No.
614
:Laura: So apparently it's Philip Glass
615
:Xhafer: Okay.
616
:Laura: and we keep playing it a
little bit through the episode.
617
:I think like it, it's, we go
back to Galactica, I think,
618
:and we're still hearing it.
619
:Xhafer: bear McCreary at this point
is doing all of the music for the show
620
:Laura: Uhhuh.
621
:Xhafer: and there is nothing on accident.
622
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
623
:Xhafer: It's, it's all, it's, he's so
624
:Laura: Yeah.
625
:This Philip Glass was really good.
626
:I was like, man, I'll, I'll look that up.
627
:I'll listen to it.
628
:But I think, I think Aaron said it's maybe
one of the only things that wasn't him.
629
:Like maybe it's the only thing
that wasn't Bear McCreary.
630
:Yeah.
631
:Xhafer: uh, spoilers, um,
632
:The, uh, president's cohort runs into D
633
:Laura: More dead
634
:Xhafer: a very, very bad day.
635
:Yeah.
636
:Laura: So many more dead
637
:bodies.
638
:Xhafer: So many more dead bodies.
639
:D is full on traumatized
640
:Laura: Yes.
641
:So interesting that Rosalyn, like
as Billy is trying to reach Dee
642
:and, and like Dee Dee, listen to me
Rosalyn says, try petty Officer Doa
643
:and that does snap her out of it.
644
:Xhafer: Yeah,
645
:Laura: So weird.
646
:Yeah.
647
:But, and the corporal who I
believe he was the guard and
648
:he's been traveling with them.
649
:Is that right?
650
:Xhafer: Werner
651
:Laura: I didn't catch a name.
652
:I just caught the title of
653
:Corporal.
654
:Yeah.
655
:Xhafer: I just know it
from the, uh, subtitles.
656
:Laura: Oh, okay.
657
:Yeah.
658
:He's struggling, responding to her
as well, seeing all these, these,
659
:dead bodies.
660
:Xhafer: Yeah, it's a lot.
661
:Laura: 'cause I think we're, again,
we've kind of set up this person here
662
:alone with all these dead bodies.
663
:Could they be a asylum?
664
:And also she's acting weird
'cause she's not able to speak.
665
:Oh, is she a silent?
666
:But then also this corporal
can't speak either.
667
:So like, I don't know.
668
:Can't think either.
669
:Xhafer: Are they all silences?
670
:Laura: Or is nobody a silent?
671
:Oh my God,
672
:Xhafer: That's not the case.
673
:Spoilers.
674
:Um,
675
:Laura: yeah.
676
:There's more silents here somewhere.
677
:I'm sure.
678
:Xhafer: Up in CNC we learned the silents
have cut through the hole to prevent
679
:being followed in certain places.
680
:Uh, And this is when Saul
calls out to smoke 'em.
681
:If you got 'em
682
:just like, uh, Well this might be it.
683
:Laura: Nothing between the last
two silos and those safeties.
684
:Xhafer: Yeah.
685
:Laura: Oh.
686
:Xhafer: Can't you just like.
687
:Plug that networked computer in
or something to prevent this gada.
688
:Don't you have a cord from that computer
running to your terminal right now?
689
:Can't you just delete that
terminal or some shit real quick?
690
:Laura: Right.
691
:Get the network computer
on to take it down.
692
:Xhafer: Just like you don't have to
do all of them, but just that one.
693
:Laura: Yeah.
694
:Xhafer: Uh.
695
:This is when we go back to cobol, the
chief and Kelly yell out some of their
696
:frustrations working their way back.
697
:Sinus is too far gone for the
medicine at this point, so they move
698
:from trying to keep him alive to
double dors Moora to ease his pain.
699
:Laura: This sucks.
700
:There's so much here that sucks.
701
:Xhafer: Yeah.
702
:Laura: You know.
703
:Obviously Callie and Terl
have been through a lot just
704
:to get this stuff back right.
705
:And S's position is, is real bad.
706
:Xhafer: Yeah.
707
:Laura: but crash down
is a freaking coward.
708
:you know, he's been all
like I am in charge.
709
:And the second, like some
chips are really down.
710
:He's like, no, Tyrell, he's your man.
711
:You make the decision.
712
:Xhafer: Yep.
713
:Laura: Which on the one hand, like,
okay, maybe, maybe Tyrell might
714
:feel like, yeah, I do need to be
the one that makes the decision.
715
:But all this time you've been
like, I'm the big dog, and now
716
:you're like, Nope, nope, nope.
717
:Not the big dog here.
718
:Xhafer: Yeah.
719
:No.
720
:No, not when they're not.
721
:When I might feel bad about my decision.
722
:Either way, I'm gonna feel bad about
my decision, so I don't wanna make it.
723
:No,
724
:Laura: Yeah, I'm mad at crash down for
725
:this.
726
:Xhafer: that's fair.
727
:Laura: So yes, Tyrell decides that
if the, he doesn't wanna believe the
728
:medic at first, that there's no way he
can be saved, but he does decide that
729
:this is his man, he is gonna do
this, and he like lies to him about
730
:rescue as he gives him the drugs.
731
:Just so very sad.
732
:This sucks.
733
:Xhafer: Yeah.
734
:yeah, it's bad.
735
:Apollo calls into CIC and happens
to hear, uh, where he needs to be.
736
:Uh, like he happens to be in the
area of the ship where he might
737
:have a chance at saving them.
738
:Laura: Yeah, they're like between
the silences and the decompression.
739
:Safeties by
740
:Xhafer: so so Ty's just like,
you need to fucking get there.
741
:Right Fucking now.
742
:Laura: Yeah.
743
:Xhafer: The, uh, president's group gets
stuck 20 meters from Sikh Bay here,
744
:and they run into the aforementioned
decompressed hallway uh, which is
745
:why they can't open up that door.
746
:So they have to pass through,
aft damage control the silence
747
:target in order to reach Sikh Bay.
748
:Laura: Cool.
749
:Yeah.
750
:And we are finding all this out as also
Billy is like showing the audience that
751
:he is not capable by sticking the gun
in his pants without the safety on.
752
:Xhafer: Y.
753
:Laura: Yeah.
754
:Like we have VIN here and he's
got the training and a gun and
755
:that's great, but our other dude
with a gun is not good at it.
756
:Does Dallah even have a weapon at this
757
:point?
758
:Xhafer: Um,
759
:I
760
:don't,
761
:I don't think so given she's
like trying to give pointers on
762
:how to use the weapon to Billy,
763
:which was weird.
764
:You'd think, I mean, maybe she is just
too, too traumatized at the moment,
765
:um, to,
766
:to
767
:Laura: a steady hand or, yeah.
768
:Xhafer: but that would be my,
if I were Billy here, like
769
:Laura: maybe you should
770
:Xhafer: maybe you should have this.
771
:It's not even like It's got an explosive
round, they're not gonna do anything.
772
:Laura: what, what a vivid and perfect
way to tell the audience that like,
773
:this fool should not have this thing.
774
:Xhafer: Yeah,
775
:Laura: It's perfect.
776
:Xhafer: yeah.
777
:The uh, you're gonna shoot your dick off
on accident is, uh, big warning signs.
778
:Laura: So Owen was like in the
room while we watched this episode.
779
:He kind of does his own thing
when we're watching Battlestar.
780
:He's not super interested in it, but
at this point, as I was like pausing
781
:to write my notes, I was like, Owen,
never stick a gun in your pants.
782
:Xhafer: Yeah.
783
:Laura: It's,
784
:like important life lesson right now.
785
:Xhafer: it's, it's never cool.
786
:Laura: Never do it.
787
:Never, never do it.
788
:Xhafer: Lee and team cover outside of
AF Damage Control as both groups here
789
:gunfire and screaming in the distance.
790
:Lee quotes, his dad gotta roll
the hard six and then says he
791
:doesn't know what it means.
792
:I have been convinced I know what it
means for forever, and I don't know
793
:if that's a spoiler for later or if
it's something that I had already made
794
:up by the time this episode aired.
795
:Laura: I mean, I've heard people
talk about rolling a hard six
796
:before, like in context, that
weren't Battlestar Galactica.
797
:Xhafer: I, I do believe
it comes from this show.
798
:Laura: No,
799
:really,
800
:it's nothing to do with craps.
801
:Xhafer: No, you, no, you don't.
802
:Six is not a, you don't,
no, that's not in craps.
803
:Laura: I don't know.
804
:I just thought maybe craps has a ton of
rules that I don't understand 'em all.
805
:Xhafer: Fair enough.
806
:So I have always been under the impression
that rolling the hards six is when they
807
:do the flippy thing in the ship because
you press the nose down at six o'clock.
808
:Right to flip the
809
:Laura: I think we have
talked about this before.
810
:Okay.
811
:Xhafer: Yeah.
812
:Yeah.
813
:He, well, we've heard it before and I
always assumed that's what it meant.
814
:And I don't know if I am now remembering
something that happens later in the show
815
:or am, uh, just hadn't come up with that
answer, apropos of nothing at some point.
816
:Laura: Huh, okay.
817
:According to Google ai, which, eh.
818
:Xhafer: Fuck that, but what do we got?
819
:Laura: It says in the
context of Dice game craps.
820
:So,
821
:Xhafer: Oh,
822
:Laura: uh,
823
:Rolling a hard six means
rolling a six with two dice,
824
:specifically a pair of threes.
825
:Xhafer: Okay.
826
:Laura: So, I don't know.
827
:Could be right, could be wrong, but I was
like, I feel like, I feel like it's craps.
828
:Xhafer: Scroll down just a little bit.
829
:Laura: Uh, There's definitely a
Reddit about Battlestar Galactica,
830
:which I am not scrolling too
831
:far
832
:Xhafer: Oh, okay.
833
:That's fair.
834
:Don't, Yeah.
835
:yeah,
836
:Why'd you Google it?
837
:Why that's safe space?
838
:Laura: Well, okay.
839
:Urban Dictionary also agrees
with, with the Google AI that
840
:the phrase originates from craps.
841
:Xhafer: Well, it's probably not
agreeing with so much as it was
842
:Laura: Google AI took it
from Urban Dictionary.
843
:Yeah.
844
:Xhafer: Yeah.
845
:turning the tables when the pursuer,
when being chased is what the
846
:Battlestar Galactica one says.
847
:Laura: Oh, I mean that's probably
referring to this episode then, right?
848
:Because we're like trying to turn the
tables on these silents and no longer
849
:be chased because this, we're about
ready to have our like last stand.
850
:Xhafer: Okay, so.
851
:I see the quote attributed to Adama,
but also referring to craps in the
852
:same sentence because apparently
rolling a pair of threes paste seven
853
:to one, which is good for craps.
854
:Laura: Yeah, it has a ton of rules, right?
855
:Xhafer: It's almost like it's
designed to be archaic, unknowable,
856
:and unwinnable on purpose.
857
:What a casino game, what.
858
:No one knows how to play Bach.
859
:I don't want to hear it.
860
:Laura: I don't even, craps is my limit.
861
:That's, I find craps interesting to watch.
862
:I don't think I would find
Bette interesting to watch
863
:just based on the name.
864
:Xhafer: I think most things
aren't interesting to watch,
865
:just generally speaking.
866
:Laura: Okay.
867
:But this last stand is interesting to
watch 'cause we have, jamer and Lee
868
:like setting up for their last stand.
869
:Jamer is clearly like not,
also not qualified for this.
870
:He's big old coward at this moment.
871
:and it's gotta be a headshot.
872
:This explosive round
has to go to the head.
873
:And there are two of them.
874
:Two silence,
875
:Xhafer: Yeah.
876
:It's where aerobic brains are.
877
:Laura: right?
878
:How about the whole robot is the brain?
879
:That seems like an idea.
880
:so Rosalyn and Co are like down
the hallway a little bit, right?
881
:Xhafer: mm-hmm.
882
:Laura: They're set up Lee and Jamer,
and I think another guy are right
883
:outside of AFT damage control.
884
:The CYS come charging through.
885
:they run right past Rosalyn and
the team, but Billy fucks it up.
886
:Xhafer: Billy does fuck it up
887
:Laura: He, he like accidentally
shoots a shot, right?
888
:Just a wild shot.
889
:Uh, and so
890
:Xhafer: He's trying and just fucks
up and shouldn't have the gun.
891
:Laura: right.
892
:So the silence stop running at
Lee and team, and now they're
893
:shooting at Roslyn and Company and
get shot at from behind by Lee.
894
:So he gets one or he or his team get one.
895
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
896
:Laura: But they keep missing
the headshot on the other.
897
:And this last battle bot comes
like charging at Lee and he
898
:barely gets it in the head.
899
:Just in time.
900
:Xhafer: Yep.
901
:It's a little miracle.
902
:Laura: So at the end of the scene,
I wrote Rosalyn, Billy, and Co.
903
:Fine.
904
:Jamer has to be silent.
905
:Oh.
906
:But interesting that we've got
this particular guard here that
907
:was kind of feeling away about
Rosalyn in the last episode.
908
:Right.
909
:He, he calls her a prophet
910
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
911
:Prays with her, does the thing.
912
:Laura: Prays with her lets
her out in this episode.
913
:And now he sees on her blazer
that she almost got shot, like
914
:a bullet went right through
915
:the
916
:Xhafer: Yeah, like just,
just grazed her suit, coat.
917
:Yeah.
918
:Laura: Hmm.
919
:I wonder if that will come up later.
920
:Xhafer: Does that make you more
suspicious that she's a silent?
921
:Laura: I don't know.
922
:I, I, I, I could believe this
is all coincidence and that it's
923
:just gonna get really out of hand.
924
:'cause now we have this person
here who maybe goes a little bit
925
:zealot for her cause, you know,
926
:Xhafer: Okay.
927
:I wanna talk about this more,
but I wanna talk about it in the
928
:broader scope of not this episode.
929
:So let's finish up this
930
:Laura: okay.
931
:We don't have much left.
932
:We go back to uh, Caprica
for just a minute, for SPS to
933
:get a hold of her old trek.
934
:Xhafer: Yep.
935
:It's got Delphi plates.
936
:Love it.
937
:This is the attention to detail
I'm here for always scoping them.
938
:License plates.
939
:Laura: Yeah.
940
:Glad to see license plates.
941
:Make it to the future, right?
942
:Xhafer: Yeah.
943
:Billy hangs out with D in Sik Bay.
944
:And, uh, she, they, they kiss, she,
she kind of makes up a bit, was
945
:like, I was kind of shitty and it's
been a very bad day and you did
946
:try and do the right thing today.
947
:Laura: yeah.
948
:Like, sorry I kicked you in the nuts.
949
:You did your best.
950
:yeah,
951
:Xhafer: yeah, like maybe
we can make this work.
952
:try and get us some privacy.
953
:Laura: It's pretty cute.
954
:Yeah.
955
:Ty Lee and Rosalyn are all watching
over Adama, and we found out
956
:Doc Coddle is on his way again.
957
:Xhafer: Yep.
958
:Laura: And Rosalyn tells Ty
she's ready to return to her
959
:cell, and Ty is like, okay, fine.
960
:No chains of hearts here.
961
:Xhafer: he gives Lee some shit
for siting with the president.
962
:And Lee is just like, I don't
give a fuck about your judgment.
963
:I give a fuck about
the old man's judgment.
964
:Nothing else is gonna fucking matter here.
965
:So say whatever you want.
966
:I don't, I don't give a
967
:Laura: yeah.
968
:I might not be fit to wear this uniform,
but you definitely aren't either.
969
:So we'll see what dad
says when he wakes up.
970
:Xhafer: Yeah.
971
:How badly you have fucked up here.
972
:Laura: Yeah.
973
:Xhafer: And that's to credits.
974
:Laura: it, man.
975
:That's
976
:Xhafer: So on a scale of one to 12
colonies, how'd you feel about this one?
977
:Laura: Well, if this one is the,
like 33 of the season, which I don't
978
:know if it is or not, but it didn't
quite hit the same mark for me as 33.
979
:Xhafer: It does not.
980
:Laura: Yeah.
981
:I can feel them like wanting me to be
suspicious of a whole bunch of people.
982
:Xhafer: Yeah.
983
:Laura: And I have no idea who's a asylum.
984
:it would be really, I find poetic
if one of these people in this
985
:episode is a silent, but we
will see, only time will tell.
986
:Xhafer: Okay.
987
:Laura: So, Hmm.
988
:I don't know.
989
:I think I can still give it a
990
:10.
991
:Xhafer: Yeah, I give it an eight.
992
:Um, it has its fun moments.
993
:Um, it felt a little bodily.
994
:And, part of it is just
knowing how the next couple of
995
:episodes are going to be spent.
996
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
997
:Xhafer: I think we, maybe
this episode could have been.
998
:Cut for the most part.
999
:And we could have sped up that arc
and maybe had some more space around
:
00:44:00,152 --> 00:44:07,112
episode 10 11, I would've liked so,
but that's all way in the future.
:
00:44:07,682 --> 00:44:12,842
What's near in the future is season
two, episode three, fragmented democracy
:
00:44:13,292 --> 00:44:16,982
bras brought back to the fleet,
and with it come hardball politics
:
00:44:17,252 --> 00:44:19,982
and potentially deadly intrigue.
:
00:44:20,547 --> 00:44:21,237
Laura: Hmm.
:
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:23,629
Xhafer: So that's,
that's our next episode.
:
00:44:23,817 --> 00:44:25,287
Laura: I don't like the politics.
:
00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:26,022
It feels bad.
:
00:44:28,969 --> 00:44:32,119
Xhafer: can't we just have
normal politics please?
:
00:44:33,139 --> 00:44:34,069
Please.
:
00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:37,189
I don't want Roslyn to start
giving everyone tariffs.
:
00:44:37,399 --> 00:44:38,389
It's gonna be weird.
:
00:44:38,419 --> 00:44:40,099
There's not even any foreign countries.
:
00:44:42,042 --> 00:44:42,432
Laura: Tariff.
:
00:44:42,432 --> 00:44:42,582
The
:
00:44:42,769 --> 00:44:43,339
Xhafer: sense.
:
00:44:44,059 --> 00:44:45,919
Tariff these silence to hell.
:
00:44:46,286 --> 00:44:47,936
You don't buy anything from them.
:
00:44:47,936 --> 00:44:48,896
Exactly.
:
00:44:48,896 --> 00:44:51,356
We won't buy anything from, okay.
:
00:44:51,896 --> 00:44:52,406
So
:
00:44:52,698 --> 00:44:53,493
Laura: You wanna talk about
:
00:44:53,606 --> 00:44:55,286
Xhafer: about Cy.
:
00:44:55,886 --> 00:44:58,616
I wanna talk about who you
think is a CY right now.
:
00:44:59,306 --> 00:44:59,456
We're a
:
00:44:59,508 --> 00:45:01,338
Laura: you're gonna make me do this again.
:
00:45:02,156 --> 00:45:05,786
Xhafer: I just, I'm curious where we're at
right now, where your thoughts are, if you
:
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:23,799
had to pick, like just pick a character
that you think is a silo, just 1D.
:
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,490
Laura: I don't know.
:
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:28,290
I'm a little afraid for Dee.
:
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:35,190
I'm also afraid for Rosalyn, but
I'm also afraid for Adama like that.
:
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:38,610
Adama could be potentially
like the anti sile.
:
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:43,326
That's like their purpose is to like.
:
00:45:45,396 --> 00:45:48,906
Guide humanity in some way that
like forces some evolution.
:
00:45:48,906 --> 00:45:51,276
I'm just really on this
forced evolution thing.
:
00:45:51,276 --> 00:45:53,286
Like I'm stuck in shadows land.
:
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,309
I don't know.
:
00:45:55,931 --> 00:45:59,981
Xhafer: I think you look about the
most uncomfortable I've ever seen.
:
00:45:59,981 --> 00:46:01,991
You look after asking you a question,
:
00:46:04,504 --> 00:46:07,894
Laura: Yeah, like we can talk about
the weirdest, most personal things,
:
00:46:07,894 --> 00:46:09,214
but you're like, who's a silent?
:
00:46:09,214 --> 00:46:10,144
And I'm like, God, I don't
:
00:46:10,331 --> 00:46:11,141
Xhafer: Fuck.
:
00:46:13,091 --> 00:46:14,016
Don't make me answer that.
:
00:46:16,556 --> 00:46:17,216
Sorry.
:
00:46:18,034 --> 00:46:20,254
Laura: Especially the ones that
you're getting to, like, like,
:
00:46:20,284 --> 00:46:22,804
obviously I, I even though.
:
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:25,249
They're not getting along and
:
00:46:26,201 --> 00:46:26,621
Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
:
00:46:26,659 --> 00:46:28,459
Laura: both made some bad choices.
:
00:46:28,459 --> 00:46:30,349
Like, I like Adama and I like
:
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:30,979
Rosalyn.
:
00:46:31,856 --> 00:46:32,216
Xhafer: Okay.
:
00:46:32,299 --> 00:46:32,659
Laura: And
:
00:46:32,659 --> 00:46:33,799
so like that
:
00:46:33,866 --> 00:46:35,276
Xhafer: Who did you pick last time?
:
00:46:35,516 --> 00:46:37,466
Last time I asked You
had a couple other names.
:
00:46:37,466 --> 00:46:38,096
You're footing around.
:
00:46:39,341 --> 00:46:40,391
Laura: I don't remember.
:
00:46:41,223 --> 00:46:41,583
Xhafer: Okay.
:
00:46:41,621 --> 00:46:44,591
Laura: I feel like Starbuck is not,
I think, I think what I did was
:
00:46:44,591 --> 00:46:46,151
like, here's who I think it's not.
:
00:46:46,151 --> 00:46:49,091
And then you were like, well, maybe it is.
:
00:46:49,773 --> 00:46:54,963
Xhafer: it's, yeah, so I mean, Starbuck
feels like, you know, like her home on
:
00:46:54,963 --> 00:46:57,123
Delphi, like that, that seems pretty safe.
:
00:46:57,663 --> 00:46:58,503
Um,
:
00:46:59,553 --> 00:47:01,263
although there's no
food there that's weird.
:
00:47:01,623 --> 00:47:02,283
Um.
:
00:47:03,618 --> 00:47:05,088
What about like Gais?
:
00:47:05,538 --> 00:47:08,718
Is there at any point any suspicion
about Gais being a silent?
:
00:47:08,996 --> 00:47:09,716
Laura: No.
:
00:47:09,948 --> 00:47:14,358
Xhafer: He's probably like the
least like, because they literally
:
00:47:14,358 --> 00:47:17,628
had to put silent agents around him
to do the shit they needed to do.
:
00:47:17,756 --> 00:47:20,606
Laura: Like you would've just had
him do the shit you needed to do.
:
00:47:20,696 --> 00:47:21,626
Like Yeah.
:
00:47:21,956 --> 00:47:22,526
That doesn't
:
00:47:22,578 --> 00:47:24,528
Xhafer: it'd be really
weird if he was a silent.
:
00:47:24,528 --> 00:47:24,858
Yeah.
:
00:47:25,046 --> 00:47:25,496
Laura: Right.
:
00:47:25,746 --> 00:47:27,726
Lee feels like not a Slon
:
00:47:29,051 --> 00:47:29,271
Lee.
:
00:47:29,316 --> 00:47:34,716
Starbuck Gais are the ones that I
now feel are like, probably not s.
:
00:47:35,824 --> 00:47:40,084
Although if, you know, if Adama's,
not cylon, but Lee is cylon, that
:
00:47:40,084 --> 00:47:43,177
could be, you know, big, big if
:
00:47:43,379 --> 00:47:44,999
Xhafer: that'd be, that'd be weird.
:
00:47:44,999 --> 00:47:45,299
Yeah.
:
00:47:45,607 --> 00:47:45,757
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:47:46,409 --> 00:47:48,059
Xhafer: It feels like you'd
have to go through some fucking
:
00:47:48,059 --> 00:47:49,499
hoops to make that work.
:
00:47:49,687 --> 00:47:50,107
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:47:50,977 --> 00:47:55,837
You would've had to base the cy off
of real person in that case, because
:
00:47:55,837 --> 00:47:57,967
Lee was definitely a real person.
:
00:47:58,027 --> 00:47:58,327
So
:
00:47:59,249 --> 00:47:59,519
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:47:59,797 --> 00:48:00,427
Laura: I don't know.
:
00:48:01,027 --> 00:48:01,537
I don't know.
:
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:03,569
Xhafer: I mean, unless
they're both silents.
:
00:48:04,612 --> 00:48:08,362
Laura: Yeah, that seems,
it seems like a bridge too
:
00:48:08,362 --> 00:48:08,722
far.
:
00:48:09,622 --> 00:48:10,702
So I don't know.
:
00:48:11,505 --> 00:48:11,865
We shall
:
00:48:11,865 --> 00:48:12,195
see.
:
00:48:13,073 --> 00:48:13,403
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:48:13,831 --> 00:48:16,021
Laura: I hope we get some
kind of reveal in season two.
:
00:48:16,021 --> 00:48:17,551
'cause like there's 12 of them in total.
:
00:48:17,551 --> 00:48:17,851
Right.
:
00:48:17,851 --> 00:48:23,131
And we have Bin Sharon six Dole.
:
00:48:23,731 --> 00:48:24,451
We only have four.
:
00:48:25,568 --> 00:48:31,038
Xhafer: You are going to
meet more Cylons this season?
:
00:48:31,206 --> 00:48:31,496
Laura: Okay.
:
00:48:32,628 --> 00:48:41,030
Xhafer: I want to say I think there
are one or two characters that are
:
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:45,080
Cylons that I think they're either
introduced as cylons or found
:
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,940
out to be silent very quickly.
:
00:48:47,443 --> 00:48:47,893
Laura: Okay.
:
00:48:48,583 --> 00:48:49,033
Yeah, I'm,
:
00:48:49,033 --> 00:48:50,323
I'm itching for more silent.
:
00:48:50,345 --> 00:48:50,495
Xhafer: even
:
00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:51,185
met yet.
:
00:48:51,335 --> 00:48:56,345
like like some of these are not
even, like, it's not like all 12 are
:
00:48:56,585 --> 00:48:58,355
characters you've interacted with.
:
00:48:58,548 --> 00:48:58,838
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:48:59,656 --> 00:49:00,106
Xhafer: You know?
:
00:49:00,496 --> 00:49:03,676
Uh, That's, I'll just
say that's not the case.
:
00:49:03,676 --> 00:49:07,846
You're not looking for eight
sirens in the fleet right now.
:
00:49:08,386 --> 00:49:10,546
Um, that's not how this goes.
:
00:49:10,546 --> 00:49:14,566
Like there are silents that just haven't
shown up yet for whatever reasons.
:
00:49:15,256 --> 00:49:16,546
There, there are reasons.
:
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,009
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:23,274
I really want l and Ty to be a salon and
to get her comeuppance in a dramatic way,
:
00:49:23,274 --> 00:49:24,834
but I don't think I'm gonna get that.
:
00:49:24,924 --> 00:49:26,844
I bet she's just a bad human.
:
00:49:29,072 --> 00:49:30,122
Xhafer: Can't say anything.
:
00:49:34,855 --> 00:49:37,975
Laura: Well, I'm, I'm itching for
more silent, like I was really hoping
:
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,165
in the last season, you know, that.
:
00:49:41,005 --> 00:49:46,465
Because we knew all along about
Boomer that we'd also get like,
:
00:49:46,465 --> 00:49:51,115
surprise also this person, and we
didn't, so I'm, I'm just, I want it.
:
00:49:52,615 --> 00:49:52,735
I'm
:
00:49:52,892 --> 00:49:55,412
Xhafer: I mean, that twist is coming.
:
00:49:56,095 --> 00:49:56,395
Laura: Okay.
:
00:49:57,527 --> 00:49:59,897
Xhafer: Like you, that that,
that, that is a thing that
:
00:49:59,897 --> 00:50:01,757
happens that will have payoff.
:
00:50:02,087 --> 00:50:04,667
It might not be exactly how
you're imagining it right
:
00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:08,507
now, but that is a thing that
happens and you will be shocked.
:
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:08,890
Laura: Cool.
:
00:50:09,745 --> 00:50:10,315
I'm excited.
:
00:50:11,087 --> 00:50:11,357
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:50:11,575 --> 00:50:11,995
Laura: Let's keep
:
00:50:11,995 --> 00:50:12,385
watching.
:
00:50:13,217 --> 00:50:13,517
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:50:13,547 --> 00:50:14,387
I mean, that's the plan.
:
00:50:14,867 --> 00:50:19,511
So we'll be back next week with
season two episode three, but before
:
00:50:19,511 --> 00:50:22,398
we get there, gotta say thank you.
:
00:50:22,998 --> 00:50:23,808
To Jeremy Siegel.
:
00:50:23,808 --> 00:50:25,518
Hey, Jeremy, how you doing?
:
00:50:26,508 --> 00:50:30,498
You just put out a bunch of recordings
it looks like from your Facebooks.
:
00:50:30,948 --> 00:50:32,658
Um, super happy for you.
:
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,590
Uh, I'm glad that you're getting
to do so much music stuff.
:
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:39,740
I know it brings you a lot of joy
and your music brings me a lot of
:
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:41,150
joy and our audience, a lot of joy.
:
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:42,890
Thanks so much for making our theme music.
:
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:45,290
Appreciate the hell out of it and
appreciate the hell outta you.
:
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,430
Thanks, Jeremy.
:
00:50:47,098 --> 00:50:50,158
Laura: Yeah, I have actually been
listening to our podcast again lately.
:
00:50:50,158 --> 00:50:53,788
I had kind of not 'cause I didn't
like the sound of my own voice, but
:
00:50:53,848 --> 00:50:55,408
all of a sudden I don't care anymore.
:
00:50:55,408 --> 00:51:00,628
And every time the theme comes on, before
we start talking, I get really excited.
:
00:51:00,748 --> 00:51:01,348
It's quite good.
:
00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:02,975
Xhafer: Yeah, good.
:
00:51:03,568 --> 00:51:06,238
Laura: And thank you to angry
Duck time machine on Instagram
:
00:51:06,238 --> 00:51:07,408
for our podcast artwork.
:
00:51:08,082 --> 00:51:11,772
Xhafer: Aaron, I know I gave you
some fucking out there drops today.
:
00:51:12,672 --> 00:51:16,002
I hope you found them, and if you
didn't, I know you spent a bunch
:
00:51:16,002 --> 00:51:18,822
of time looking for him and I
appreciate the hell out of that.
:
00:51:18,822 --> 00:51:20,712
Thanks for editing this podcast.
:
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,270
Laura: And thank you listener for being
here with us as I am yet again confused by
:
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,970
what is happening in Battlestar Galactica.
:
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:32,840
If you know what is happening in
Battlestar Galactica and you wanna
:
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,830
talk about it, go to our discord
and ask to be put in spoiler
:
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:37,370
town.
:
00:51:38,097 --> 00:51:39,027
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:51:39,057 --> 00:51:40,287
We're talking spoiler town.
:
00:51:40,287 --> 00:51:42,657
I'm gonna be posting
in Spoiler Town things.
:
00:51:42,657 --> 00:51:45,567
You said this episode in about 10 minutes.
:
00:51:45,807 --> 00:51:46,137
So.
:
00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:46,440
Laura: no.
:
00:51:49,002 --> 00:51:52,392
Xhafer: It's gonna be like, we're
gonna finish this show and you're
:
00:51:52,392 --> 00:51:56,892
gonna get added to Spoiler Town and
you are just gonna scroll back two
:
00:51:56,892 --> 00:52:01,092
years and just read and it's gonna be.
:
00:52:02,082 --> 00:52:04,302
It starts with me apologizing.
:
00:52:04,452 --> 00:52:07,062
I think that's one of the
first posts in Spoiler Town
:
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,055
Laura: Yay.
:
00:52:10,602 --> 00:52:14,142
Xhafer: for a thing that I said in
a very early episode of this run
:
00:52:16,715 --> 00:52:17,465
Laura: Cool.
:
00:52:18,035 --> 00:52:18,725
Yeah,
:
00:52:18,732 --> 00:52:22,417
Xhafer: not to not give away
something far later in the show.
:
00:52:24,755 --> 00:52:25,595
Laura: I can't wait.
:
00:52:26,262 --> 00:52:26,622
Xhafer: Yeah,
:
00:52:26,765 --> 00:52:28,055
Laura: Where's my time machine?
:
00:52:29,257 --> 00:52:30,277
Xhafer: well, we'll get there.
:
00:52:30,337 --> 00:52:31,987
uh, in a matter of time.
:
00:52:32,617 --> 00:52:32,947
All right.
:
00:52:32,947 --> 00:52:33,697
Thanks, listener.
:
00:52:33,727 --> 00:52:34,687
We'll see you next week.
:
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:35,670
Laura: Bye.
