Episode 171

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Published on:

14th May 2025

BSG S2E5 - Cylon Cloud (Featuring Glo from Cool Girls Don't Look at Explosions)

Glo returns to discuss a very special Mother's Day episode of BSG. Laura's Cylon paranoia continues. Xhafer doesn't trust anyone who hasn't cried in a walk-in freezer. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 5: The Farm.

A new season of Cool Girls Don't Look at Explosions is coming soon to your podcatcher of choice!

Join us for more discussion on the Discord @ https://discord.gg/MUHKDDk6TN

Transcript
Laura:

Hey, listener, we just wanted to give you a heads up before this one

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that.

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In this episode of Battlestar

Galactica, there's a lot of

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discussion of things around

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reproductive rights, bodily

autonomy, and child abuse.

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If any of those things is tough for

you, please feel free to skip this one.

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It is kind of hard to do when

we're making a Jokey Jokes podcast

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you know, handle everything with delicacy.

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So if any of that is gonna bother you,

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please just skip this one.

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We'll see you next time.

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we love you.

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Stay safe.

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Xhafer: Hello and welcome to Who

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Are You?

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This is a reasonably well

by two former strangers.

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Now, friends who got to know

each other while watching

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a favorite show from the

Childhood, Babylon five.

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But now we're watching 2000

Four's Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Jair.

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Laura: And I am Laura.

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Glo: And I'm

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glow.

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Xhafer: glow.

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We got, we got Glow with us today from

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Cool Girls.

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Don't look at Explosions.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: podcast on the

wa Hapa Horror Network.

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Glo: Thanks for having me on today, guys.

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Xhafer: yeah, well you picked this

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episode.

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Glo: I did,

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: I am so curious as to why

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you picked this for one thing,

and it is so apropos today

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that we are discussing this

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episode on Mother's Day.

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Xhafer: recording to someone

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Glo: yeah.

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Xhafer: Day, so

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Glo: Did not know that when I chose this

one that this was gonna line up like this.

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It is very interesting.

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Laura: it was just sort of the

byproduct of like, I had a couple

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weeks where I

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was freaking out about finals and

Jair was like in Europe, and then

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recording just fell on Mother's

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Day.

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Glo: Yeah.

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Xhafer: been three weeks

since we've seen each other.

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Hi.

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Laura: Hello.

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Xhafer: So, uh, glue, you picked

season two, episode five of the

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Farm.

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Glo: Yes.

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So I was thinking about episodes

that stuck with me, and this

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is

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one that really stuck with me.

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So that.

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is one of the reasons why I chose

it But also it has a Handmaid's

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Tale vibe to it,

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Laura: Oh yeah, for

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Glo: it really does.

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And you know, I'm just leaning

into the theme of being an

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English teacher.

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I think that it is

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a really interesting trope to talk about.

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And I am here for it.

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It is not a happy one.

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And it's interesting too, Ben and

I, your internet dad, Ben and I, um,

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watched this when I was closer

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to my son being a lot younger, meaning

like, I had gone through the birthing

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process, you know, not six, years ago now.

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Right.

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And I remember it having a big effect on

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me because it's like,

oh my gosh, you know?

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This is

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Xhafer: that's the word Starbucks uses,

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and she is the most eminently qualified

person to make that determination

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at the time.

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So.

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Laura: yeah.

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yeah.

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I, I definitely,

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for, for one thing watching this episode,

I was like, oh, I feel vindicated

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because some things

I've been talking about

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since, like very early

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on, I'm like, ah, yes, yeah, I was right.

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But.

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Also,

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I was pretty angry when it was

over, and I can't believe I

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already used my fuck this episode.

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Glo: Wow.

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Yeah.

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Seriously.

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Laura: Oh, well,

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Xhafer: I mean.

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There's no rules.

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What

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Laura: That's true.

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Xhafer: they, they mean nothing.

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We're not playing a game or something.

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Like,

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there's no

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there's no math.

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Laura: The podcast is made

up and the ratings don't

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matter.

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Glo: Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well, thanks for filling us in on why

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you picked this one.

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let's go ahead and get into it.

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Battlestar Galactica,

season two, episode five.

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farm.

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We open on Caprica yellow

as Starbuck wakes up

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in Ander's room.

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Laura: Yeah, she's clearly dealt

with all that excess sexual tension

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I pointed out in the last episode.

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Glo: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: He asks her for some

professional advice as a

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soldier and her advice is hide while you

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can and we can rescue

your dumb asses later.

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Actually a good plan, I think.

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Yeah.

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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I have a lot of questions

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about this resistance that I imagine

you both will know the answers to but

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can't share.

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Um.

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Xhafer: well, they leave at

the end of this episode, right?

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Laura: Uh, I thought it was just the

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three

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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Is they, they take off.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh, This is all we get of

the resistance for a bit on Caprica.

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Laura: I I figure we have

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to come back because otherwise

how is Anders Canoodling with

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Starbuck and that last supper.

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Scene that's so famous.

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we're obviously

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coming back to, to that.

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Um, but I, I just have a lot

of questions about how like

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they've been managing all this.

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'cause we had almost like, what in

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season one, something

like 60 ish days that.

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Sharon and Hilo were running around trying

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to like, stay hidden and, and it was very

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kind of like a quiet place situation.

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Like you couldn't make

sounds or the silent

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robots would know where you were.

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And,

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but they, they're just rolling

around in Hummers all the time

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here, this, these resistance.

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And I'm like, Hmm,

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that's weird.

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Xhafer: Well, product placement, but also,

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they do make a point of saying that

they're kind of like far out there.

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They're not really near civilization.

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They're not near anywhere where the

silences had anything of interest.

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Um, it stands to reason that most

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of the humans are dead at this point, so

the silences are just doing what they want

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to with the planet rather than worrying

about anyone anyone left wouldn't matter.

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And the other thing that's super important

here that Starbuck actually brings up is

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that they're hanging out in mountains.

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They were on a mountaintop retreat.

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They're hanging out in mountains and

being high radiation fallout settles,

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right?

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Good

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Xhafer: So they're avoiding most of

the fallout mess by remaining high

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up, which is why Starbucks advice

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specifically is get to a mountaintop.

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And set up camp there because you'll

be the farthest away from radiation.

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Glo: I didn't know that.

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Laura: Yeah, I was

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about to launch into some radiation

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questions, especially like could,

were these like really nuclear bombs?

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Because we found women that can

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theoretically.

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Spare children and is like,

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I don't,

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I feel like, radiation is usually

incompatible with that, so,

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Xhafer: So it's not like, well,

one, they're hypothetically nuclear

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bombs, right?

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It's science fiction.

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Uh, So who knows what

actual bit they're using.

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The point about radioactive

material is that it is

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solid mass that has a

lot of energy contained

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within it, right?

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So that's why you use

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those things to make big

boom, because there's all that

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energy in that small space.

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Laura: sure.

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Xhafer: and so it doesn't really

matter what the specifics are.

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If they're radioactive

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like to make the nuke, then

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it is going to be that kind of a thing.

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But remember that these are heavy

particles giving off this radiation.

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It's not like it's ambient radiation

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in the air.

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The ambient radiation in the air comes

from the radioactive particles, which are

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So even though they're partially atomized,

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Yeah.

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Laura: Okay.

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All right.

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I, I'll, I'll allow it.

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I

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was just getting a little

too in the weeds on

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some things.

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Xhafer: I don't know.

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I'm not a military survivalist or

a nuclear physicist, so I could

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be wrong about all this stuff.

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That's just my

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understanding

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's probably very apparent

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if Aaron was texting you or texting

the spoiler Discord, my list of cys

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last night, and I'm very in the weeds.

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Xhafer: We did not get an update in

Spoiler Town about your current S list.

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Laura: Okay, well we

can always discuss that

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later.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I would, I would look, I'm

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looking forward to that.

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Uh, The Capric resistance cell here

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heads out so that they

can grab a heavy Raider.

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It refuels daily and when they're on

their way to it, they are attacked.

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Starbuck has what I can

only describe as a acid

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flashback

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as she gets shot.

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it's like lots of like wavy in the air.

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The camera's doing weird stuff.

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The sound's doing weird stuff.

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Glo: My question about

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that is does she

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start Like disassociating

and then get shot?

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Like is she, you know what I mean,

like this was supposed to happen?

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Yeah.

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Or, or is she shot and that made her start

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doing, you know, looking off into the

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middle

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Laura: Yeah, I, I was sitting there

like, girl, what are you doing?

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Move your ass at least like

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duck.

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And then she, she just didn't,

and then we find out, oh.

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She's been shot, so I thought

I was interpreting it as, oh,

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she got shot and then she just

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stood there and dissociated for a minute.

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Xhafer: Yeah, same.

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Laura: know if that's

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really how it was or if

something like disrupted her,

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Xhafer: This show will deal with

PTSD and it will do it in a way where

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it's not ambiguous.

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Glo: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: we'll get

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Laura: Yeah, Starbucks had, hasn't

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Xhafer: a

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Laura: She hasn't been in combat like

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this that we know about.

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Right.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, she's a sniper

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expert, so

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Laura: Okay, so she must have done

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something right?

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Xhafer: All right.

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We got our theme after

this survivor count.

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Survivor watch, 47,857.

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That is down for our civilians

from the Marines that were killed

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Laura: Oh.

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Xhafer: we also get

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our first flash cut of the season.

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I don't know if you guys caught that.

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They haven't done this

this whole season so far.

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The little things that happen on

this episode in rapid succession.

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We have not had that for the first four

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episodes of the season, and the

only thing that's really changed

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is adama's conscious.

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So I now wonder if these

are somehow through

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Adama's perspective, it's

somehow linked to his character.

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It's something I never thought about

on my first watch of the show, but

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it is interesting that they go away and

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then come back with Adam dama.

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Laura: yeah, And Adam

is back in his uniform.

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We get Gais only for a moment Right.

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We see him like suited up and

standing, you know, as Adam

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is giving his dad's speech.

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Uh.

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I feel like I was accused in the

discord of being a gais apologist,

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Glo: Oh.

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Laura: that is

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not true.

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Xhafer: I don't think it was a gais

apologist, but rather that as a human

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being, you have a limited amount of

hate that can flow from your body,

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which is a compliment because not

everyone has a limited amount of

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hate that can flow from their body.

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And it is all directed towards Ellen Tai.

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Um, yum, yum.

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Posted a meme.

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I don't know if this was in

Spoiler Town or not Spoiler Town,

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Laura: It was not Spoiler Town.

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I saw it.

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Xhafer: cool.

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Yeah, I, I laughed so fucking hard plus.

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Ryan, well

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done.

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Laura: I, so next time we have

Ryan on, I've been doing a lot

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of thinking about my L and tie

problems, and I have some things to

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talk about, but we can save

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that for yum.

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Yum.

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Today we have Glow and we're gonna

talk about other difficult things.

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Glo: And I'm gonna be honest

too, like without giving any

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spoilers, like we are not there yet

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with Gaius.

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We have not

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arrived.

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So that's all I'm gonna

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say.

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Laura: considering he's like

the key linchpin to how this

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all happened and we're not there yet.

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Glo: No,

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Laura: my God.

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That's

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Glo: Yep.

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you know, even, you

know, watching a couple

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of these episodes back over again, it

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makes me wanna do a whole new

other rewatch because of just

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how amazing this show is.

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And with you

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guys doing, you know, I

listen to you guys every

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week and re-listening to everything.

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I'm like, oh my gosh,

what an amazing sci-fi

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The end.

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Xhafer: it's so good.

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Glo: it really

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is.

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Laura: Truly uh, Adama

has to get caught up

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from gata on the whole how Rosalyn

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got away.

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Wants every ship searched like one by one.

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We're gonna do the systematic, we're gonna

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find

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her and Lee.

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Xhafer: search.

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we cut over to the fugitives who

were hanging out in the walk-in

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cooler of your local Chipotle.

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Talking about the quorum and a Donna's

health, as one of the employees comes

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in the corner and cries in the walk-in,

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I'm just gonna say, if you

haven't cried in a walk-in

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cooler, I don't think I trust you.

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Glo: You know, my si, my, sister's

water broke in a walk-in cooler at

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Noodles and Company.

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Laura: Wow.

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extra

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special.

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Yeah.

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Glo: There you go.

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Xhafer: had not heard

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that story.

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you know, that is the most,

your sister's name, I'm

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not doxing her on podcast right now.

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Yeah, that is.

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of

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course,

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that's how it

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Glo: Yep.

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Laura: I bet the employee has had

to go in there and clean after that.

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Cried in the walkin.

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Xhafer: I believe she

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Glo: There you go.

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Xhafer: the time.

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So.

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Glo: She was, yes.

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Yeah, she was.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That's very cool.

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I like that

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story.

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Glo: there you

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go.

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But it's also the sad fact that

in the United States, you uh, work

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until your water breaks the end.

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Laura: much.

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Xhafer: Zurich tries to get

Lee to denounce dad over the

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radio, but he can't bring

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himself So Rosalyn

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decides to record a religious

themed message, but also doesn't

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know how a tape deck works.

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Laura: This is very

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funny.

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this is very president.

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How do I make

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a voice memo?

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Xhafer: Alexa, turn on

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the lights.

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Starbuck wakes up in a

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hospital here with not

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doctor.

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His, he's not Dr.

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Simon.

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He's just Simon.

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Laura: Yeah, he's acting like a doctor.

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He is putting on big

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doctor show.

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Glo: yep.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He tells her that they saved

Kara, but Andrew is just so

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Glo: Yeah.

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Xhafer: a bummer.

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Laura: Somehow he brought her in.

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He was well enough to get

her there, but he also

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expired on the

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operating table.

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Shrapnel nicked his aorta, I

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Xhafer: internal bleedings,

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Laura: Yeah, this is

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this is the suspicious hospital

that we noted last time,

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Xhafer: Yes,

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Laura: very

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suspicious.

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Xhafer: Starbuck is suspicious who affirms

he is not a silent and that she can

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leave whenever, but her pain meds keep

knocking her out and she can't really

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stand.

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Glo: Nope.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Huh?

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Laura: Yeah.

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And uh, he gives her a little

background in between her, like.

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Waking cycles

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here uh, and tells her this

is an old mental hospital

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that the sirens haven't found.

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And I'm like, okay.

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Sure.

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Right.

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And they're, there're hiding out here.

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There's 200 and something patients.

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I don't know if he tells

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us at this

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point,

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but we can go ahead and talk

about, there's 200 something

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patients and two doctors and five

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nurses who used to be

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Five teachers

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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In between these cuts we also

get Tyrell going to Adama

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to plead Callie's case.

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Who forces a

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conversation to reckon with the fact

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that the

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silos are more than just

machines emotionally process

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This is, this is a big

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scene where he, you

know, did you love her?

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And he feels like the answer

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to his commanding officers.

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No, I did not love the enemy,

also like you must have, I did,

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Glo: Yeah, it's vulnerable.

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Xhafer: In the original

series of note, Adama

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does have a

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daughter as on the ships.

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uh, Her, she is her name because in

this, in that they don't have real

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names, they, all of the call signs

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are just the character's names, so

It's not like it's Lee Adama, Leona

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Apollo is his name.

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It's

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just Apollo is

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and adama's daughter in

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so a different character.

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Boomer is

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also a

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separate

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Laura: specifically when he is

asked if he loved Boomer Tyrell

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responds that he thought he did,

485

:

and Adama is really quick to

486

:

counter with.

487

:

Well, that's what love is is our thoughts.

488

:

love comes from

489

:

our thoughts,

490

:

so

491

:

Xhafer: the truth.

492

:

Laura: Yeah.

493

:

Glo: Yeah.

494

:

Laura: He admits that she was more

495

:

than a machine

496

:

even to himself,

497

:

Adama.

498

:

makes me wonder where

Adama's going with all that.

499

:

Xhafer: We

500

:

Laura: I don't know.

501

:

But he does give Callie 30 days in the Bri

502

:

and.

503

:

He specifically also warns Terell

that he will see Boomer again.

504

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

505

:

Glo: Isn't that wild

506

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

507

:

Glo: to see somebody that you love,

that's not who you love but is,

508

:

Xhafer: Or, or might be like,

509

:

Glo: be.

510

:

Yeah.

511

:

Xhafer: we haven't

really talked a lot about

512

:

the uh, the, collective consciousness

versus individualized cys of the same

513

:

model because that's not something that is

514

:

particularly definitive

at This point in the but

515

:

I think we get an answer on

that in the next couple of

516

:

Laura: yeah, did, did

Boomer upload back to the

517

:

cloud and now the other Sharons all

have that like experience and et cetera,

518

:

and I could see that being manipulative

for the people who knew Boomer.

519

:

Glo: Right.

520

:

Laura: Oh no.

521

:

But yeah.

522

:

there are many copies.

523

:

will come up.

524

:

Xhafer: Another thing to mention,

we, we we're cutting back to Simon

525

:

here.

526

:

Starbucks, like, why is it so quiet

527

:

for a hospital make noise

528

:

Glo: And she gets gaslit

529

:

hard.

530

:

Xhafer: radiation poisoning.

531

:

He talks about all this stuff

532

:

where it's

533

:

all like, oh yeah, your insides

are liquefying and all this

534

:

stuff, and it's all like,

this does not sound quiet.

535

:

This sounds like shitting and

536

:

puking your brains out.

537

:

Laura: Yeah.

538

:

He's like, oh, that's not loud.

539

:

But I was like, have you never

seen the TV movie the day

540

:

after, sir?

541

:

Have you all seen that one?

542

:

Xhafer: It's on my to

watch list right now.

543

:

Laura: it's, it's

544

:

really good.

545

:

So Glow, it's from like the eighties

546

:

Glo: Okay.

547

:

Laura: at Reagan era because I think

specifically when it came out, like

548

:

Reagan was watching it when it went live

549

:

and had

550

:

like some change of heart about some

things because of this but it's got

551

:

John Lithgow in it and it's basically

just telling the story of like.

552

:

One day it happens and we drop all the

bombs and like, a family and or outside

553

:

of Lawrence, Kansas, what happens to

554

:

them?

555

:

And like, John Lithgow, I think

is a university professor at

556

:

University of Kansas in Lawrence.

557

:

And just, it was a, it was

a made for TV movie, really

558

:

dramatic and had a big impact.

559

:

it's, it's big in that like.

560

:

Nuclear aftermath kind of genre.

561

:

but yeah, there's a scene at the end where

things are not quiet is all I'm saying.

562

:

It's not totally silent like

563

:

this.

564

:

Xhafer: Simon then brings

up Starbucks reproductive

565

:

health

566

:

Glo: Really leans into

567

:

Xhafer: yeah, and I just wanna say

guys, as a, you know, middle aged

568

:

whitish man, let me explain this

569

:

Glo: Awesome.

570

:

Laura: Oh,

571

:

Xhafer: that, that that was a joke.

572

:

I'll shut the

573

:

Laura: I, I knew it was a joke.

574

:

'cause you did say you had a very

575

:

specific joke.

576

:

Xhafer: I warned you beforehand, I mean,

I feel like you both know me well enough

577

:

to know that that would be a joke.

578

:

But I have to say it out

loud for the listeners who

579

:

might not know me personally.

580

:

Uh, Yeah.

581

:

So I literally didn't take

notes on this 'cause I don't

582

:

feel like It's

583

:

with my place to talk about it.

584

:

So.

585

:

Laura: And, and the whole

time that he's having

586

:

this conversation, it seems like he's like

just given her a pap smear or something.

587

:

Like, she's almost in the stirrups.

588

:

Like he, he has checked

589

:

her abdomen, which it does make sense.

590

:

Like after a surgery we were removable.

591

:

We might need to poke around the

abdomen and see what's going on.

592

:

And he mentions an

593

:

ovarian

594

:

cyst, but like.

595

:

Glo: Yeah, I mean, and

you can tell that, you

596

:

know, you know, looking at this

retrospectively, like the idea

597

:

that his main focus is reproduction

is really apparent here.

598

:

The idea.

599

:

Yeah.

600

:

That, that this is what his focus is and

601

:

this is what he wants to talk about.

602

:

And you know, this is it.

603

:

It's scary.

604

:

Laura: Yeah.

605

:

You, you would think like,

okay, if this was a real

606

:

resistance hospital,

this is where you like

607

:

are disabused of that notion.

608

:

I think completely.

609

:

If you weren't suspicious before,

610

:

you're suspicious now because.

611

:

okay, it's been 60, 70 ish days, right?

612

:

Since

613

:

everything happened and already you've got

614

:

this creepy obsessed doctor

about like repopulation.

615

:

like we don't even know

616

:

if the land around us can support people.

617

:

So like why would we be

discussing this as soon?

618

:

It seems weird.

619

:

Glo: The cyst thing is weird too.

620

:

Have you ever had an ovarian cyst?

621

:

Laura?

622

:

Okay.

623

:

I, I haven't, so you can

624

:

probably speak to it more.

625

:

I just know it through people

who have had one, but like,

626

:

they really don't do anything about cysts

unless it becomes obstructive or painful,

627

:

Laura: Yeah, that's my doctor

was like, oh, you've got some,

628

:

often they just reabsorb.

629

:

We're gonna just uh,

check you again at the

630

:

next appointment unless something

painful or wrong, you know,

631

:

call us.

632

:

But we see they're there

and it happens all the time.

633

:

Glo: So the idea that you would make a

634

:

big deal out of an ovarian cyst

or try to take it out when it

635

:

isn't doing anything to you is

636

:

really suspicious.

637

:

Xhafer: I mean, this is

638

:

sci-fi, so they might

actually have women's health

639

:

Glo: Yikes,

640

:

big.

641

:

Yikes.

642

:

Laura: Yeah

643

:

Glo: Under his

644

:

eye.

645

:

Laura: right.

646

:

He uh, tells her she's a

precious commodity as a viable

647

:

reproductive female, which is

what every woman wants to hear

648

:

about themselves, that they're an

649

:

object.

650

:

Glo: And she's, he

651

:

starts.

652

:

Devaluing her skills

653

:

as a pilot saying that is not the

most important part of you now.

654

:

Laura: Yeah.

655

:

Glo: Yeah.

656

:

like.

657

:

really

658

:

drills it into her that being

a viper pilot is not your

659

:

most valuable skill right now.

660

:

It is that you uterus that you have.

661

:

Laura: And just to like pile

the creepy meter up a little

662

:

higher, we're gonna talk about

all those broken bones you

663

:

had when you were a child.

664

:

Xhafer: Every finger

665

:

on her hands broken in the same

666

:

Glo: and this really,

this really help I reminds

667

:

me of going back to the episode

668

:

where she is responsible

669

:

for.

670

:

Interrogating Leo Obin and how she kind

of snaps and becomes kind of abusive

671

:

herself.

672

:

It really puts that

into a new light again.

673

:

Yeah, because have they, they've

hinted that her background isn't

674

:

very good, but they haven't really

675

:

talked a lot about

physical abuse yet, right?

676

:

Xhafer: No, we haven't,

677

:

none

678

:

of the stuff that we get

679

:

none of, we have, there's stuff

680

:

that's coming with her

681

:

dad,

682

:

Laura: Yeah.

683

:

We've talked about her

mom having a very like.

684

:

Black and white sense of

morality, I think in that like,

685

:

suffering means you're the meek And

will inherit the earth or whatever,

686

:

and, and not setting her mom

687

:

up as like the most

688

:

enlightened character.

689

:

Glo: Right.

690

:

Laura: Yeah.

691

:

But.

692

:

When he, he touches on that,

that's a bridge too far.

693

:

She orders him out and I wrote, he's

694

:

obviously a silent, like at this point.

695

:

I'm, yeah.

696

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

697

:

I mean,

698

:

first name only, no titles that alone.

699

:

You know,

700

:

you've, that is, that is the

MO for all of the CYS right now

701

:

is they have a single name.

702

:

Laura: Uhhuh

703

:

Xhafer: so when it's not Dr.

704

:

Simon and it's Simon, I remember watching

this episode the first time when it was

705

:

airing and just being all like, for that.

706

:

Just for that, that that.

707

:

that, was

708

:

enough for me at

709

:

that point.

710

:

And like, I mean, they do not

711

:

dance around it for very

712

:

Laura: yeah.

713

:

Just this is an episode teaser rather than

714

:

like

715

:

a season long teaser or something, or show

716

:

long teaser.

717

:

But yeah, I thi I have noticed

this show does kind of.

718

:

Tend to treat everyone with like a name

719

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

720

:

Laura: that they use the

721

:

most.

722

:

Like it's just

723

:

Xhafer: It's very

724

:

OG

725

:

Laura: yeah.

726

:

Yeah.

727

:

But also if you're doing a thing

728

:

where the, sirens are just one

name, you want to like not super

729

:

obvious everyone has two

names except for this one, you

730

:

Glo: Mm-hmm.

731

:

Mm-hmm.

732

:

Xhafer: I mean, they

do do it a bit though.

733

:

Like even with

734

:

Sharon, like, you know,

we know Sharon's last

735

:

name is Valeri, but they say it

like three times compared to Carra,

736

:

Leah dama, you know,

737

:

Laura: Yeah,

738

:

Xhafer: do a good job of kind

of subtly reinforcing it that

739

:

way, but that's just a

testament to the quality of

740

:

Laura: so I'll go ahead and spoil it now.

741

:

Then.

742

:

I'm really suspicious

of a dude called Anders.

743

:

Glo: Ooh.

744

:

Laura: Oh, does he have a, another name?

745

:

Xhafer: he does.

746

:

Laura: Oh.

747

:

Xhafer: Oops.

748

:

They've said it.

749

:

They've said

750

:

it.

751

:

They've said his

752

:

but they don't say it a lot, much like

753

:

Sharon.

754

:

that's fair.

755

:

okay.

756

:

After this Adama and Ty talk about

757

:

Rosalyn's message to the fleet,

they're just like, anyone who

758

:

wants to make this suicide run

759

:

to COBOL should just be allowed to these,

like two or three ships that are gonna

760

:

go with they're gonna get rid of the

761

:

astral queen.

762

:

That won't be our problem anymore.

763

:

like, this is all on the up and up guys.

764

:

Everyone who

765

:

disagrees with us is just going to

766

:

go away, and then we can continue saving

767

:

Right.

768

:

Laura: yeah,

769

:

Xhafer: Right.

770

:

And only like two people disagree with

771

:

us.

772

:

Right.

773

:

Glo: Mm-hmm.

774

:

Xhafer: 99% approval rating

for Adam dama right now.

775

:

Laura: yeah, Adama is no.

776

:

Tie level, fuck up.

777

:

But,

778

:

this is massively underestimating

779

:

situation out

780

:

Xhafer: We cut over to Rosalyn

781

:

after this, who learns

that embracing her role

782

:

as a

783

:

religious

784

:

figure comes with the cost of

having to actually embrace their,

785

:

her role as a religious figure.

786

:

Laura: You have to touch people.

787

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean,

she's new Pope, right?

788

:

Glo: Yeah.

789

:

Seriously.

790

:

Laura: But Elisha is trying

to get Rosalyn to become space

791

:

Pope.

792

:

And um, at this point I also

wrote, she's a Silent because

793

:

the way she was like.

794

:

Specifically guiding Rosalyn to like,

you have to give them your blessing.

795

:

This is what you

796

:

signed up for in this

797

:

whole,

798

:

Xhafer: I mean a

799

:

lotion's

800

:

only

801

:

Laura: yeah.

802

:

Hmm.

803

:

yeah.

804

:

No, I was like, also, she's a silent lon.

805

:

I am doing that a lot.

806

:

Mm-hmm.

807

:

Yeah.

808

:

Okay.

809

:

Yeah.

810

:

Yeah.

811

:

Yes.

812

:

He just

813

:

says she's with us.

814

:

And I was like, mm.

815

:

Helo.

816

:

Secret secrets.

817

:

Yeah.

818

:

Secret Secrets are are

no fun secret secrets.

819

:

Hurt someone.

820

:

Yeah, it's interesting that Sharon feels

the need to, like, as she shows up with

821

:

like, Hey, I know where Star BE'S is.

822

:

Also, by the way, remember our baby?

823

:

It's like, she's like, begging Hilo to

like, don't don't, shoot me on site.

824

:

Like,

825

:

Right.

826

:

I'm still, are we convinced

she has she is pregnant?

827

:

Anybody?

828

:

I

829

:

have not uh, I'm getting

J fair faced twice.

830

:

I don't know if I'm convinced,

so I'll just say that.

831

:

I don't know if I'm

832

:

convinced.

833

:

Hmm.

834

:

Yeah.

835

:

No, Ty, you're so bad at this.

836

:

You're so bad at anything

involving the leadership.

837

:

I'm going, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

838

:

Fuck.

839

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

840

:

Star Bes wakes up again

with a new incision.

841

:

He tells her that they had

to tie up some internal

842

:

bleeding, and they're

almost done with her.

843

:

Mm-hmm.

844

:

Mm-hmm.

845

:

so Simon goes to put more medicine

in her tube, but surprise.

846

:

She like grabbed her tube under

the bed and she had it pinched off.

847

:

Go Star Bes.

848

:

Nope,

849

:

I don't, I don't know.

850

:

Maybe I'm more clever when I have

like lots of adrenaline happening.

851

:

I don't know.

852

:

But

853

:

Xhafer: I would've pulled that IV out.

854

:

Laura: yeah.

855

:

Xhafer: For sure.

856

:

Laura: so she sneaks out and I, I

didn't get, even though I watched what

857

:

subtitles on, I didn't get all of the

words that were said here, but she's

858

:

listening to Simon discussing, I think,

the status of her ovaries with six.

859

:

Xhafer: Yep.

860

:

With a six.

861

:

Yeah.

862

:

Laura: Yeah.

863

:

She knows the six that's.

864

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

865

:

She goes back to her room and the

camera does a lot of the work here.

866

:

She notices this broken mirror.

867

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

868

:

Actually, we've been seeing that.

869

:

I had noticed it when her room

like first was open to us.

870

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

871

:

Yeah.

872

:

Laura: Yeah.

873

:

So, Hmm.

874

:

Now I'm suspicious again

'cause I'm like the silences

875

:

plan everything out perfectly.

876

:

Right.

877

:

So why would they just let this broken

mirror be in this room unless they

878

:

had a test that they were running?

879

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

880

:

Laura: Huh?

881

:

I'm getting to fair face twice again.

882

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

883

:

So we cut to that next morning and

Simon notices her ib, her IV bag is full

884

:

and asks if she's feeling okay and the

camera does a really good job of showing

885

:

that the broken mirror is missing.

886

:

Two large pieces here.

887

:

Laura: Two very large pieces.

888

:

Yeah.

889

:

Xhafer: Love this camera work.

890

:

She stabs him in the

throat, takes his keys.

891

:

And gets out of the mockup hospital.

892

:

As she gets out of the mockup

hospital, she finds a group of women

893

:

hooked up to all kinds of stuff.

894

:

Laura: Yeah.

895

:

Xhafer: sohan, one of the uh,

resistance fighters is there calls

896

:

sohan, calls them baby machines,

and begs for death by unplugging.

897

:

Laura: Yeah.

898

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

899

:

Laura: I don't know why.

900

:

Like she, she tells

Starbuck, unplug everything.

901

:

And Starbuck goes, no, that'll kill you.

902

:

I'm like, Starbuck, you don't know that.

903

:

Like

904

:

Xhafer: Starbuck doesn't know that, and

she also doesn't know that smashing the

905

:

machines that she smashes will kill them,

906

:

Laura: yeah.

907

:

Xhafer: but she does that anyways.

908

:

Laura: Yeah.

909

:

Yeah.

910

:

I was like, okay, I, I get that.

911

:

We're just being dramatic here.

912

:

But I was like, huh.

913

:

Uh, And also, I mean, you

know, this is, this is wild.

914

:

And they, they've clearly positioned

these women in a way that we're

915

:

definitely being told like they're

incubators in this situation.

916

:

We've got all these tubes,

we've got restraints.

917

:

and so Starbucks just goes crazy and.

918

:

Smashes a whole bunch of

stuff, wrecks everything.

919

:

no alarms, right?

920

:

Or did some alarms go off?

921

:

Xhafer: Um, I think there's some alarms.

922

:

Laura: Okay.

923

:

Xhafer: I don't think they're

like obnoxious alarms, but,

924

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

925

:

Xhafer: There doesn't seem to really

be much along the lines of anyone here.

926

:

Laura: Yeah.

927

:

There's not really like security,

I guess maybe because we're just

928

:

assuming that we don't need it.

929

:

Like, whatever a human could possibly

throw at us is inconsequential,

930

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

931

:

Laura: because otherwise, you know, she,

she goes back into the hall, she's trying

932

:

to get out, she encounters a six and

the six is not moving with like purpose.

933

:

She's just like coming out

the door and locking it, like

934

:

Xhafer: it's hanging out.

935

:

Yep.

936

:

Laura: no big deal.

937

:

She's able to grab the fire

extinguisher and smash her in the face.

938

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she like hides behind

this fire extinguisher for a second

939

:

Laura: Uh,

940

:

Xhafer: and it's just,

it's, it's like so obvious.

941

:

I, I had to laugh, like it

was a very dramatic scene.

942

:

And if I were not pausing

every minute to write notes.

943

:

I probably would not have laughed.

944

:

I don't think I laughed when

I watched this previous.

945

:

But the nature of having to take

notes constantly while watching

946

:

an episode means sometimes you

lose the drama of the moment.

947

:

And this definitely happened here for me

because I was just like, this is absurd.

948

:

Laura: Yeah.

949

:

Yeah, so argument for the Cylon Cloud,

or at least Cylon model cloud, is

950

:

that as she gets outside the hospital,

she like gets down some steps and

951

:

immediately, boom, there's another Simon.

952

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

953

:

Laura: And the other one had told

her, you can't kill me before she like

954

:

stabbed him in the neck and killed him.

955

:

But that seems to me like that Simon had

time to like, boop upload and then the

956

:

other Simon went, oh, she's getting away.

957

:

I better leisurely stroll up

to the doors of the hospital.

958

:

Xhafer: Put on a nice suit,

you know, get over there.

959

:

Laura: Yeah.

960

:

But it, it doesn't matter that he

makes it to her at the front of

961

:

the hospital because the rebels

have also made it here at the same

962

:

time.

963

:

Xhafer: there's a couple centurions

hanging out now outta nowhere.

964

:

Centurions decide to show up, but

they get taken out by a heavy Raider

965

:

and we see Sharon is piloting it.

966

:

So the resistance got that Heavy Raider

and are now using it to save Starbucks.

967

:

Laura: Yeah.

968

:

we had some boots on the ground

too, like they were shooting at

969

:

Simon, and then the, the BattleBots

get taken out by the Raider.

970

:

Xhafer: We go back over to the fleet and

a third of them have jumped to COBOL and

971

:

Laura: yeah, 24.

972

:

Xhafer: Papa dama is not happy.

973

:

Mm-hmm.

974

:

Very good scene.

975

:

He goes down to Boomer's corpse to try

and make sense of absolutely anything.

976

:

Hess.

977

:

He breaks down and cries.

978

:

And I wanna call out a

little bit of the book.

979

:

I've been reading about the

making of the show right now.

980

:

Laura: Yeah,

981

:

Xhafer: Um, there's a bit from Edward

James Almos in there when they were

982

:

talking about this episode and other.

983

:

Bad things that happen to Adama

and how he reacts to them.

984

:

And he got a lot of letters from

military leaders who greatly appreciated.

985

:

This vulnerable side of Adama because

in media there is no representation

986

:

for military leaders who have

to deal with their decisions.

987

:

It's always, I did the thing and

I was right and yay America slash

988

:

whatever country is making this movie.

989

:

It is never a, like this is

something that weighs on you.

990

:

And so that representation mattered

a lot to those old white dudes

991

:

enough where they wrote letters

to Edward James Olmos about it.

992

:

Laura: Hmm.

993

:

But you think about it the representation

they were getting that like, we're

994

:

always right and everything is fine.

995

:

That is also toxic masculinity, right?

996

:

So they, they are in a prison by

that, that they're not allowed

997

:

to have the vulnerability here.

998

:

And good on Ronnie D for like,

putting the rest of the spin on it.

999

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:40:25,431 --> 00:40:25,671

Huh?

:

00:40:25,701 --> 00:40:28,791

We stand representation

in media on this podcast.

:

00:40:29,334 --> 00:40:29,554

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:33,724

Like, okay, old white men

are well represented, right?

:

00:40:33,724 --> 00:40:36,762

Like in numbers, but they're not

:

00:40:36,762 --> 00:40:37,212

as well

:

00:40:37,709 --> 00:40:42,689

Xhafer: Letting, Letting, strong

men cry on TV is not common.

:

00:40:42,689 --> 00:40:44,189

It is still not common.

:

00:40:44,862 --> 00:40:45,162

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:40:45,702 --> 00:40:47,952

It certainly wasn't back in this day.

:

00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:48,359

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:49,529

20 years ago, nah.

:

00:40:50,018 --> 00:40:54,698

Laura: So we finally get confirmation

that Laura has been right, that.

:

00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:58,403

The sirens feel like

they have to interbreed.

:

00:40:59,063 --> 00:41:03,623

Uh, I had my whole like forced evolution

theory that I was going on that like,

:

00:41:03,623 --> 00:41:05,273

we're trying to evolve the human race.

:

00:41:05,913 --> 00:41:10,206

But we're being told at least right

now, that they can't reproduce

:

00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,846

these models biologically,

:

00:41:13,613 --> 00:41:13,903

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:17,676

Laura: but they're trying to fulfill

God's commandment to be fruitful

:

00:41:17,676 --> 00:41:21,846

and multiply so they feel like they

need human bodies to do that with.

:

00:41:22,297 --> 00:41:25,537

So these farms are just full of

human incubators and we don't know

:

00:41:25,537 --> 00:41:28,267

how many there are, but there's

definitely more than just this one.

:

00:41:29,309 --> 00:41:37,049

Xhafer: I always thought this was kind

of weird, like, so cylon God, right?

:

00:41:37,409 --> 00:41:40,439

Silent religion,

presumably made by cylons.

:

00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:41,684

Right.

:

00:41:42,224 --> 00:41:45,884

And so if one of God's

commandments is be fruitful, what?

:

00:41:45,884 --> 00:41:47,744

Silent, who knew they

couldn't have babies?

:

00:41:47,744 --> 00:41:48,254

Wrote that?

:

00:41:52,527 --> 00:41:54,867

Laura: Yeah, it's just

like a challenge, I guess.

:

00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:55,737

I don't know.

:

00:41:55,887 --> 00:41:56,427

Um,

:

00:41:56,549 --> 00:41:56,789

Xhafer: It's

:

00:41:57,147 --> 00:41:57,622

Laura: we're told,

:

00:41:57,959 --> 00:42:00,599

Xhafer: silent culture is

what, 40 years old tops.

:

00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:01,289

Right?

:

00:42:01,799 --> 00:42:05,489

Like, it's not like this is something

that's like from hundreds of years

:

00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:07,349

ago where it's up to interpretation.

:

00:42:07,739 --> 00:42:10,439

Like, and also they,

they continue on, right?

:

00:42:10,439 --> 00:42:11,669

Like they, they're resurrected.

:

00:42:11,669 --> 00:42:14,764

So even if the, the silent who

wrote it hypothetically, Adam.

:

00:42:16,227 --> 00:42:16,587

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:42:18,207 --> 00:42:20,307

Well, and we're also told

this isn't working great.

:

00:42:20,457 --> 00:42:24,147

Like even though we're trying this at

these farms, like things aren't going well

:

00:42:24,477 --> 00:42:28,617

and the silos have started to wonder if

the thing that they're missing is love.

:

00:42:29,637 --> 00:42:29,817

And

:

00:42:30,434 --> 00:42:31,304

Xhafer: Love.

:

00:42:32,354 --> 00:42:37,034

Love is what brings us together today.

:

00:42:37,064 --> 00:42:37,364

Okay.

:

00:42:37,394 --> 00:42:40,214

That's the last joke I'm making 'cause

it's about to get super dark and serious.

:

00:42:40,977 --> 00:42:44,338

Laura: well, I'm just like humans.

:

00:42:44,338 --> 00:42:47,938

Human babies are made all the time without

:

00:42:47,938 --> 00:42:48,418

love.

:

00:42:49,138 --> 00:42:54,478

It happens here in this universe that we

live in, and I assume it happens in the.

:

00:42:55,183 --> 00:42:58,543

Battlestar Galactica universe, since

they're paralleling on a lot of

:

00:42:58,543 --> 00:43:07,243

stuff, like so, oh, we just need,

love isn't like doing it for me.

:

00:43:09,703 --> 00:43:12,163

Like that is not how that works.

:

00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:15,463

Um, it's a biological problem.

:

00:43:15,553 --> 00:43:19,153

And you haven't figured out

the science, it would seem,

:

00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,019

Xhafer: That seems weird too, right?

:

00:43:22,788 --> 00:43:23,078

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:23,429 --> 00:43:25,469

Xhafer: That they wouldn't

have that science figured out,

:

00:43:28,109 --> 00:43:28,169

huh?

:

00:43:29,473 --> 00:43:29,953

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:30,373 --> 00:43:31,843

So I don't know.

:

00:43:31,933 --> 00:43:35,173

I don't know how I feel about all that,

but I was like, that's, that's dumb.

:

00:43:35,293 --> 00:43:39,319

Um, it seems like there's

something else going on then.

:

00:43:40,145 --> 00:43:40,355

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:43:40,369 --> 00:43:45,469

Laura: Um, the Sharon does tell Star

Bees because for some reason star

:

00:43:45,469 --> 00:43:47,689

BE'S hasn't like knocked Sharon out.

:

00:43:48,649 --> 00:43:49,879

I guess because she rescued her,

:

00:43:49,939 --> 00:43:50,329

but

:

00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:51,230

Xhafer: I mean, it helps.

:

00:43:51,739 --> 00:43:54,829

Laura: You would think Star

Be's would still be kind of mad

:

00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:55,609

about all that.

:

00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:56,899

And Yeah.

:

00:43:56,899 --> 00:43:59,929

star Be's still has a shoot

on site attitude, I think.

:

00:44:00,244 --> 00:44:04,954

but she tells her she could have been

set up with someone she liked if she

:

00:44:04,954 --> 00:44:07,054

had been amenable to the whole thing.

:

00:44:08,494 --> 00:44:12,334

And that's why I believe

Anders is a asylum.

:

00:44:15,675 --> 00:44:15,965

Xhafer: okay.

:

00:44:16,699 --> 00:44:17,149

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:44:17,209 --> 00:44:24,259

I'm like, oh, they're establishing Anders

in all this, and they're tricking her

:

00:44:24,259 --> 00:44:26,119

the same way that they tricked Hilo.

:

00:44:28,043 --> 00:44:32,123

star bees asked Sharon if she

knows what the second scar is.

:

00:44:32,393 --> 00:44:35,543

And then says, oh, maybe

I don't wanna know.

:

00:44:35,543 --> 00:44:39,293

And Sharon doesn't know, I think,

or Sharon pretends she doesn't know.

:

00:44:39,986 --> 00:44:42,266

So is this Chekhov scar?

:

00:44:42,266 --> 00:44:43,436

Is this gonna come back up?

:

00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,139

Xhafer: I mean, I could answer

that question, but I won't.

:

00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:49,353

Laura: It feels like Chekhov scar.

:

00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:50,343

Then I'll say that.

:

00:44:50,529 --> 00:44:50,889

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:53,739

My refusal to answer

makes a check off Scar.

:

00:44:56,019 --> 00:44:57,819

I, I, I do have to do it.

:

00:44:57,819 --> 00:45:00,939

I have to refuse to answer for things

that don't mean anything Sometimes.

:

00:45:01,309 --> 00:45:06,379

You know, like, like I do have to,

I do have to go through those hoops.

:

00:45:06,699 --> 00:45:10,959

As has been noted on Spoiler

Town sometimes I have been,

:

00:45:10,959 --> 00:45:11,949

I have been called out

:

00:45:13,508 --> 00:45:14,048

Laura: Oh, okay.

:

00:45:14,768 --> 00:45:15,608

Yeah, that's fair.

:

00:45:15,608 --> 00:45:16,178

No, that's fair.

:

00:45:16,178 --> 00:45:17,348

You gotta keep me guessing.

:

00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:17,739

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:18,609

for sure.

:

00:45:19,005 --> 00:45:22,575

It's a, it's a very delicate dance I

do over here because I'm trying to say

:

00:45:22,575 --> 00:45:24,465

things without saying them sometimes.

:

00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:26,353

Laura: You're like

:

00:45:26,923 --> 00:45:28,963

Gaas, you're doing a

:

00:45:28,963 --> 00:45:30,133

real gaas.

:

00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:32,655

Xhafer: let's stop comparing

me to Gaia altar, please.

:

00:45:33,585 --> 00:45:35,385

I'm not particularly

comfortable with that.

:

00:45:36,283 --> 00:45:39,073

Laura: The audience is

like over your shoulder

:

00:45:39,165 --> 00:45:40,605

Xhafer: the audience is six.

:

00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:44,775

It's just Ben in the red dress and uh,

:

00:45:49,968 --> 00:45:52,428

Laura: Ben in the red dress

is standing behind you

:

00:45:52,698 --> 00:45:53,148

saying

:

00:45:53,225 --> 00:45:53,825

Xhafer: Make it happen.

:

00:45:53,825 --> 00:45:55,295

Glow couple's costume.

:

00:45:55,625 --> 00:45:56,495

You can be gais.

:

00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:03,160

Laura: yeah.

:

00:46:04,842 --> 00:46:05,502

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

:

00:46:05,562 --> 00:46:05,682

That

:

00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:06,280

Laura: Oh yeah.

:

00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,290

You don't shave a beard like that

:

00:46:08,382 --> 00:46:08,712

Xhafer: no.

:

00:46:09,132 --> 00:46:09,342

no.

:

00:46:09,342 --> 00:46:10,962

The beard's looking glorious right now.

:

00:46:11,607 --> 00:46:12,627

Don't fuck with that beard.

:

00:46:13,197 --> 00:46:16,017

Um, I mean, unless you

wanna fuck with that beard

:

00:46:18,687 --> 00:46:19,782

sex, eh,

:

00:46:21,957 --> 00:46:23,757

eh, god.

:

00:46:23,757 --> 00:46:26,937

I, I know he's blushing

listening to this right now.

:

00:46:28,562 --> 00:46:28,782

Oh,

:

00:46:31,077 --> 00:46:31,467

all right.

:

00:46:31,467 --> 00:46:31,887

All right.

:

00:46:32,097 --> 00:46:34,317

We, we'll stop doing podcast at Ben.

:

00:46:34,707 --> 00:46:35,307

Um.

:

00:46:36,942 --> 00:46:40,152

So, they talk about these facilities.

:

00:46:40,252 --> 00:46:44,122

Sharon casually says There are

thousands of women captured in

:

00:46:44,122 --> 00:46:47,722

these facilities across the planet,

well, presumably across the planet.

:

00:46:47,722 --> 00:46:49,942

She doesn't really define the scope.

:

00:46:50,392 --> 00:46:52,222

Probably most of the colonies.

:

00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,190

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:56,380

Yeah.

:

00:47:01,540 --> 00:47:01,930

Yeah.

:

00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:03,640

She's forgotten all about the arrow.

:

00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,070

She's forgotten all about Laura Rosalyn

and Earth and Daddy Adama and everything.

:

00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:10,010

Fair.

:

00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:12,590

But Anders goes and.

:

00:47:13,955 --> 00:47:16,445

Reminds her that this

is not why she's here.

:

00:47:16,475 --> 00:47:20,285

Pulls the arrow, they've, they're keeping

it in like a wet hole in the ground,

:

00:47:23,075 --> 00:47:24,635

in a tube, in a wet hole.

:

00:47:24,951 --> 00:47:32,256

Xhafer: The arrow of a pago is in

this painting holding tube underwater.

:

00:47:32,376 --> 00:47:32,936

A hundred percent.

:

00:47:33,046 --> 00:47:33,336

Yeah.

:

00:47:39,536 --> 00:47:40,456

I mean, it is an arrow.

:

00:47:41,136 --> 00:47:41,256

I.

:

00:47:48,171 --> 00:47:48,321

I

:

00:47:48,321 --> 00:47:49,071

mean like,

:

00:47:49,415 --> 00:47:49,705

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:47:50,991 --> 00:47:51,561

Xhafer: I don't know.

:

00:47:51,591 --> 00:47:59,181

I have some opinions because a lot

of weaponry is phallic shaped, right?

:

00:47:59,465 --> 00:47:59,885

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:00,186 --> 00:48:04,476

Xhafer: And there's a lot of, I I,

I've seen a lot of people just, it's

:

00:48:04,476 --> 00:48:07,896

like, oh, you know, the swords are

just shaped like dicks, you know,

:

00:48:07,896 --> 00:48:11,976

for, for men to get their rocks off,

you know, they're big stabby things.

:

00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:15,726

It's like, maybe it's just a shape

that's good at penetrating guys.

:

00:48:16,416 --> 00:48:19,926

It doesn't have to be, I mean,

it could, it can be both.

:

00:48:19,926 --> 00:48:22,626

And I'm sure for some

people it was, but like.

:

00:48:23,226 --> 00:48:24,696

Swords and arrows.

:

00:48:24,726 --> 00:48:27,606

They're designed to pierce

and go through things.

:

00:48:27,606 --> 00:48:29,196

That is what the shape does.

:

00:48:29,885 --> 00:48:31,355

Laura: Yeah, it, it's.

:

00:48:35,346 --> 00:48:35,706

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:37,446 --> 00:48:37,806

Yeah.

:

00:48:39,006 --> 00:48:39,426

You know?

:

00:48:41,466 --> 00:48:41,886

Yeah.

:

00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,980

Laura: We've lost Ben.

:

00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:45,140

'cause we keep talking too much about sex.

:

00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,660

He'll never know how this episode ended.

:

00:48:52,536 --> 00:48:54,966

Xhafer: The best part is,

is he's listening at 1.2,

:

00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:58,896

so it was even less time for him to

get back to it than it was for us too.

:

00:49:02,286 --> 00:49:06,726

Anyways Andersons care off with the

arrow vowing to take out the farms

:

00:49:06,726 --> 00:49:11,746

on Caprica until she can come back

for the survivors Kara Hilo and

:

00:49:11,746 --> 00:49:14,086

Sharon take off in the heavy Raider.

:

00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:19,216

As Bear McCreary earns his

fucking paycheck with this banger

:

00:49:19,216 --> 00:49:21,586

soundtrack on strings at the end of

:

00:49:21,586 --> 00:49:22,396

this episode.

:

00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,540

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:25,170

Interesting.

:

00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:27,000

We're taking Sharon home.

:

00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,250

I wonder how that's gonna go.

:

00:49:35,502 --> 00:49:37,632

Uh, You mean that he's a

silent, okay, go ahead.

:

00:49:48,657 --> 00:49:49,077

Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:08,907 --> 00:50:09,177

Hmm.

:

00:50:15,987 --> 00:50:16,737

Yeah.

:

00:50:23,218 --> 00:50:23,608

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:50:33,597 --> 00:50:37,197

Laura: Yeah, he's a little more

like supporting Character energy,

:

00:50:37,287 --> 00:50:41,667

whereas she is main character energy,

which is a little bit of a play.

:

00:50:41,818 --> 00:50:44,578

Xhafer: I'll say a couple of things

here that I will not be spoilers.

:

00:50:44,578 --> 00:50:48,628

One Michael Truco, who plays

Anders originally auditioned

:

00:50:48,628 --> 00:50:49,948

for Lee and didn't get the role.

:

00:50:50,802 --> 00:50:51,612

Laura: I could see that

:

00:50:52,198 --> 00:50:52,648

Xhafer: Um.

:

00:50:52,963 --> 00:50:56,863

Which is how he was like one of

the last actors in contention

:

00:50:56,863 --> 00:50:58,663

before Jamie Bamberg got the part.

:

00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:02,473

And so that's how he got

on the radar as an actor.

:

00:51:03,223 --> 00:51:06,493

And they asked him at his

interview if he'd be amicable to

:

00:51:06,493 --> 00:51:07,933

coming on and doing a guest spot.

:

00:51:07,933 --> 00:51:08,833

And he was like, sure.

:

00:51:09,253 --> 00:51:12,373

Which is what these, you know, they

brought him in for one episode.

:

00:51:12,613 --> 00:51:13,993

They're like, okay, you're gonna do one.

:

00:51:13,993 --> 00:51:17,983

And then you got a call back like, Hey, we

want you to do more in the next episode.

:

00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:20,023

'cause it was going over so well.

:

00:51:20,867 --> 00:51:21,157

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:51:21,972 --> 00:51:22,272

He did.

:

00:51:22,272 --> 00:51:24,042

The Hilo wasn't Helo like that.

:

00:51:24,042 --> 00:51:27,342

He was supposed to die on Caprica,

but he was just cool enough that

:

00:51:27,342 --> 00:51:28,482

we're like, yeah, that's okay.

:

00:51:28,482 --> 00:51:29,262

Let's write him in.

:

00:51:29,413 --> 00:51:29,953

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:51:30,053 --> 00:51:33,843

Hilo was originally just gonna be

whatever but part of that was his

:

00:51:33,843 --> 00:51:36,183

chemistry with grace, what's her name?

:

00:51:37,282 --> 00:51:39,759

Grace Park uh, who plays Sharon.

:

00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,819

They were in the same acting

classes together and stuff like

:

00:51:43,909 --> 00:51:50,364

uh, Helo, Helo who's uh, God

uh, Timo Pinkett and Grace Park.

:

00:51:50,484 --> 00:51:51,984

Were like really close.

:

00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,359

As like actors, like getting their start.

:

00:51:55,389 --> 00:51:58,419

This was their, both their first big

roles, they were in acting school

:

00:51:58,419 --> 00:52:01,929

together and stuff, and so they had a

pretty good chemistry and so they just

:

00:52:01,929 --> 00:52:05,649

kept, it's like, okay, well they, we,

they knew Boomer was gonna be around

:

00:52:05,919 --> 00:52:08,049

right at the end of the miniseries.

:

00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,449

So then they just wrote in another

one and gave, you know, Timo a

:

00:52:13,449 --> 00:52:15,579

bunch of stuff to do, which is fun.

:

00:52:16,487 --> 00:52:17,477

So anyways, yeah.

:

00:52:17,507 --> 00:52:21,587

So Michael Trau originally kind

of on the radar as Lee and then

:

00:52:21,587 --> 00:52:23,507

was brought on as a guest bit.

:

00:52:23,957 --> 00:52:27,007

And they, you know, they really liked

him, so they brought him back for

:

00:52:27,007 --> 00:52:32,347

another episode, and hypothetically they

might bring him back for another one,

:

00:52:33,452 --> 00:52:33,692

I guess.

:

00:52:34,056 --> 00:52:35,526

Laura: he's, he's coming back.

:

00:52:35,526 --> 00:52:37,236

I'm resigned to that.

:

00:52:37,336 --> 00:52:43,906

And I think it's very funny that like

he auditioned for Lee but didn't get it.

:

00:52:44,251 --> 00:52:50,311

S, but clearly like had the hots for

Lee and now she wound up on Caprica

:

00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:52,291

with Anders, who was almost Lee.

:

00:52:54,931 --> 00:52:55,531

It was fun.

:

00:52:55,891 --> 00:52:56,341

That's fun,

:

00:52:56,612 --> 00:52:57,032

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:57,242 --> 00:52:59,852

Man, I've got IMTB open right

now and I'm noticing that.

:

00:53:00,512 --> 00:53:04,112

He's in the same amount of episodes

as two other characters that I

:

00:53:04,112 --> 00:53:05,762

never would've fucking guessed.

:

00:53:06,089 --> 00:53:06,309

Laura: huh?

:

00:53:07,446 --> 00:53:09,216

But you can't tell me.

:

00:53:09,247 --> 00:53:10,207

Xhafer: I'm not gonna say it out loud.

:

00:53:10,207 --> 00:53:12,607

I will say they're both characters

you've met in both characters that

:

00:53:12,607 --> 00:53:13,927

have been in multiple episodes.

:

00:53:14,287 --> 00:53:14,677

Laura: Uh Huh.

:

00:53:14,994 --> 00:53:18,444

Xhafer: And I will leave it at that

because that still says nothing.

:

00:53:18,444 --> 00:53:19,434

I hypothetically,

:

00:53:22,377 --> 00:53:24,537

Laura: so we're up to five known silences.

:

00:53:25,107 --> 00:53:26,157

At the end of this.

:

00:53:26,547 --> 00:53:31,112

We've got our six, Sharon,

Dora, Leo, and now Simon.

:

00:53:31,604 --> 00:53:34,214

Xhafer: Yeah, so you know, five of the 12.

:

00:53:35,007 --> 00:53:35,247

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:53:36,417 --> 00:53:37,077

And Anders,

:

00:53:41,502 --> 00:53:42,062

possibly El Lota.

:

00:53:43,514 --> 00:53:43,934

Xhafer: All right.

:

00:53:43,934 --> 00:53:51,044

Well, it is time to rate this

episode glow as our guest.

:

00:53:51,614 --> 00:53:56,294

You get to give us your rating

first on a scale of one.

:

00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,769

To 12 colonies.

:

00:53:59,489 --> 00:54:00,989

Where do you find this episode?

:

00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:03,839

Yeah.

:

00:54:19,247 --> 00:54:19,467

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:54:24,754 --> 00:54:25,044

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:54:30,209 --> 00:54:30,689

For sure.

:

00:54:32,108 --> 00:54:32,468

Okay.

:

00:54:32,618 --> 00:54:33,563

Laura, how you feeling?

:

00:54:34,131 --> 00:54:36,141

Laura: This one made me really mad again.

:

00:54:38,271 --> 00:54:42,171

I didn't text you about it because I

think it took me a while to process that.

:

00:54:42,171 --> 00:54:43,221

I was really mad.

:

00:54:43,911 --> 00:54:50,952

But like after the end of the episode,

I think I said to Aaron that I was

:

00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:57,372

frustrated because it just reminds me

that to like the world, I'll never be more

:

00:54:57,372 --> 00:55:02,937

than the sum of my parts and specifically

the sum of my reproductive parts like.

:

00:55:03,848 --> 00:55:04,108

Xhafer: That's

:

00:55:04,212 --> 00:55:08,592

Laura: I just will never have the same

agency to some people and some places

:

00:55:08,592 --> 00:55:12,942

and some societies as him or huge affair.

:

00:55:12,972 --> 00:55:13,242

Like

:

00:55:14,112 --> 00:55:14,712

I just won't.

:

00:55:15,838 --> 00:55:16,108

Xhafer: yeah,

:

00:55:16,992 --> 00:55:17,712

Laura: and

:

00:55:18,088 --> 00:55:18,268

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:55:18,268 --> 00:55:18,748

it sucks.

:

00:55:18,778 --> 00:55:20,878

I'm sorry that the world is that way.

:

00:55:22,122 --> 00:55:22,542

Laura: yeah.

:

00:55:23,261 --> 00:55:25,601

And I, I.

:

00:55:26,186 --> 00:55:29,366

It's tough for me to rate these

things on like continuity and stuff

:

00:55:30,296 --> 00:55:34,916

because like for the Hummers thing that

I brought up that I'm like, how are they

:

00:55:34,916 --> 00:55:38,636

rolling around in Hummers when this place

is supposedly crawling with silences?

:

00:55:38,636 --> 00:55:41,606

You are hearing everything

and then they're in the sky

:

00:55:41,666 --> 00:55:42,986

and they can see everything.

:

00:55:43,446 --> 00:55:48,216

And, and I, I don't know at this point

if there's just like some big reveal

:

00:55:48,216 --> 00:55:51,966

or there's some like plot device reason

that all these things are happening.

:

00:55:52,955 --> 00:55:57,319

So, for me, some of those

things brought it down.

:

00:55:57,319 --> 00:56:01,009

'cause I was like, I, I don't

understand how this is happening.

:

00:56:01,828 --> 00:56:04,408

but I could, I could be answered

later and be totally wrong.

:

00:56:04,828 --> 00:56:05,878

So I don't know.

:

00:56:05,968 --> 00:56:08,968

But I was, I was feeling like, okay,

maybe this is like a nine, like, 'cause

:

00:56:08,968 --> 00:56:14,322

they are hitting it hard with some

of this like intense, hypothetical.

:

00:56:15,522 --> 00:56:20,378

Thought, experiment stuff that man,

it's like really tough to think

:

00:56:20,378 --> 00:56:23,018

about, like what, what would it

be like at the end of the world?

:

00:56:23,018 --> 00:56:27,788

And then what, why are these silos

using human bodies for things?

:

00:56:27,788 --> 00:56:32,348

And like it's very deep and all that,

but at the same time, I'm like, but

:

00:56:32,408 --> 00:56:34,088

why are there hummers just everywhere?

:

00:56:35,478 --> 00:56:39,138

So I, I put this one at about a

nine with the juxtaposition of

:

00:56:39,138 --> 00:56:42,438

those questions I have with like

the deepness of the material.

:

00:56:43,099 --> 00:56:48,919

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, this episode is not

as impactful on me as it is for the two of

:

00:56:48,919 --> 00:56:51,589

you, for a number of very obvious reasons.

:

00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:58,826

And I'm, I, it's hard for me to give

it a rating because of that uh, because

:

00:56:58,826 --> 00:57:00,836

I watch it and I understand that.

:

00:57:00,986 --> 00:57:04,076

It's like, it's like watching

Hand Man's Handmaid's Tale.

:

00:57:04,076 --> 00:57:08,636

It's like, this is something that

is not necessarily for me, right?

:

00:57:09,116 --> 00:57:14,426

And so if I'm like, okay, well, you know,

it didn't really impact me that much,

:

00:57:14,426 --> 00:57:16,836

so it feels like it's an eight for me.

:

00:57:17,286 --> 00:57:20,106

But at the same time, it's like

how much of that is just like.

:

00:57:20,631 --> 00:57:26,571

My blase bias of just being

all like, well, it wasn't

:

00:57:26,571 --> 00:57:28,341

for me, so it didn't hook me.

:

00:57:29,121 --> 00:57:29,661

Um.

:

00:57:54,276 --> 00:57:54,756

For sure.

:

00:57:54,936 --> 00:57:55,266

Yeah,

:

00:57:57,486 --> 00:58:00,216

that, that's a lot more true in

Handmaid's Tale than it is this.

:

00:58:06,591 --> 00:58:10,791

Yeah, there, there's, as far as we

know, there is a man and a woman,

:

00:58:11,271 --> 00:58:17,931

and that's assuming that Gen silences

have genders the same as us, which by

:

00:58:17,931 --> 00:58:19,641

all reasonable counts they shouldn't.

:

00:58:20,331 --> 00:58:21,051

Um,

:

00:58:21,155 --> 00:58:21,275

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:58:22,161 --> 00:58:24,921

Xhafer: so like, it's,

it's a bit different.

:

00:58:24,921 --> 00:58:27,141

And Handmaid's Tale is probably not

the best example anyways because

:

00:58:27,141 --> 00:58:28,851

I just cannot watch that show.

:

00:58:29,451 --> 00:58:36,151

I get so angry at the, the, the, the

fact that this is a thing that's allowed

:

00:58:36,151 --> 00:58:42,361

to happen in fiction even makes me so

viscerally upset that I get very, I

:

00:58:42,361 --> 00:58:44,701

just get irrational with that show on

:

00:58:54,671 --> 00:58:55,536

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

00:58:55,571 --> 00:58:56,031

No, like.

:

00:58:59,241 --> 00:58:59,661

Yeah.

:

00:59:03,141 --> 00:59:03,621

Yeah.

:

00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:09,240

Laura: and, and Margaret Atwood famously

like modeled the books on things

:

00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,020

that had actually happened in the

actual world, like they were nothing.

:

00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:15,330

There was actually

fiction, which some people.

:

00:59:16,275 --> 00:59:20,145

Also take issue with, because it was like,

well, they happened to black and brown

:

00:59:20,145 --> 00:59:24,465

women, and it's a white woman writing

about it, and so suddenly people care.

:

00:59:25,305 --> 00:59:33,675

Um, but yeah, it, it's, if you actually

read the book and remember that it should

:

00:59:33,675 --> 00:59:37,335

make you even angrier than the book does,

:

00:59:37,426 --> 00:59:37,716

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:59:38,001 --> 00:59:38,481

Um.

:

00:59:39,021 --> 00:59:39,471

That's fair.

:

00:59:39,471 --> 00:59:43,821

And art is important to invoke

emotion, and it's important

:

00:59:43,821 --> 00:59:45,651

to be a cautionary tale.

:

00:59:46,551 --> 00:59:50,571

Um, and I do not solely consume

media that makes me feel good.

:

00:59:50,571 --> 00:59:52,461

Clearly we're watching

Battlestar Galactica,

:

00:59:53,271 --> 00:59:59,961

uh, but I also like if something's

going to make me so upset spaghetti that

:

00:59:59,961 --> 01:00:03,111

I'm not going to be able to sleep that

night, I'm not gonna fucking watch it.

:

01:00:03,725 --> 01:00:06,335

Laura: Yeah, I mean, that's why

I haven't consumed Handmaid's

:

01:00:06,335 --> 01:00:08,075

Tale yet in the show form.

:

01:00:08,225 --> 01:00:10,895

I've only listened to the

book and then the sequel book.

:

01:00:11,615 --> 01:00:11,675

Um.

:

01:00:31,235 --> 01:00:31,395

Yeah.

:

01:00:32,685 --> 01:00:32,905

Yep.

:

01:00:34,116 --> 01:00:34,386

Xhafer: But yeah.

:

01:00:34,436 --> 01:00:34,946

A nine.

:

01:00:35,036 --> 01:00:35,816

It's a good episode.

:

01:00:36,026 --> 01:00:37,886

Um, but I

:

01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,210

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:00:38,246 --> 01:00:38,546

Xhafer: feel,

:

01:00:39,805 --> 01:00:42,475

Laura: No, he was the

hypothetically like rating.

:

01:00:42,836 --> 01:00:47,306

Xhafer: like I, I have to give

it more to acknowledge the bits

:

01:00:47,306 --> 01:00:49,166

that are important and not for me.

:

01:00:49,811 --> 01:00:53,891

Um, or not, not necessarily as impactful

for me as they are for other people who

:

01:00:53,891 --> 01:00:57,011

have different lived experiences, is what

I should actually say, because it's not

:

01:00:57,011 --> 01:01:00,281

that they're not for me, it's important

for me to be aware of those things.

:

01:01:00,741 --> 01:01:04,341

But it would, I it cannot be, I

impact as impactful for me as it

:

01:01:04,341 --> 01:01:08,550

is for you, the both of you uh,

for, for the very real reason that

:

01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:10,860

I've never given birth to a child

:

01:01:11,310 --> 01:01:12,360

among other things.

:

01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,860

So,

:

01:01:14,399 --> 01:01:15,119

Laura: yeah, yeah.

:

01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:15,720

Xhafer: you know,

:

01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,666

Laura: But I mean, I'm, I'm not mad

at the show for this, like I, because

:

01:01:21,666 --> 01:01:25,236

some, sometimes men write about

this sort of thing, and it does make

:

01:01:25,236 --> 01:01:30,106

me mad uh, because it is like, I'm

just a thought experiment to you.

:

01:01:31,006 --> 01:01:32,566

And that, that's quite upsetting.

:

01:01:33,072 --> 01:01:35,292

Xhafer: This episode was

written by a woman, by the way.

:

01:01:35,846 --> 01:01:36,296

Laura: Oh, yeah.

:

01:01:36,296 --> 01:01:39,956

The, so yeah, something about this one

didn't, even though I was viewing it as

:

01:01:39,956 --> 01:01:45,896

like Ronnie d wrote it it didn't like

make me viscerally angry in that way.

:

01:01:46,466 --> 01:01:51,715

Maybe because we have Starbuck in

the place that she's in, or I don't

:

01:01:51,715 --> 01:01:55,555

know, we've, we've distanced it

from men versus women by, its like

:

01:01:55,555 --> 01:01:57,385

silents versus women or something.

:

01:01:57,385 --> 01:01:58,285

But, um.

:

01:01:59,260 --> 01:01:59,590

Yeah.

:

01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:05,200

If you, if you find yourself in internet

spaces where men mostly are talking

:

01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,080

about these things, like there's

some sort of thought experiment.

:

01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,530

Like, just remember everyone, it's people.

:

01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:15,640

it's it's people who are just like you.

:

01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,925

Even if they're a

different gender, like they

:

01:02:18,418 --> 01:02:18,898

Xhafer: Uh

:

01:02:19,286 --> 01:02:19,946

Laura: People.

:

01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:25,369

Xhafer: hmm.

:

01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:29,699

While we're on it Carla Robinson,

writer this episode in the Writer's

:

01:02:29,699 --> 01:02:31,769

Room for multiple seasons of this show.

:

01:02:32,459 --> 01:02:36,479

Um, and the only person with a

writing credit on this episode.

:

01:02:37,214 --> 01:02:39,044

Most episodes have multiple credits.

:

01:02:39,163 --> 01:02:39,374

This

:

01:02:39,553 --> 01:02:39,943

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:02:40,633 --> 01:02:42,253

So they knew when to walk away

:

01:02:42,284 --> 01:02:42,614

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:02:43,363 --> 01:02:45,373

Laura: and let someone

experience handle it.

:

01:02:45,404 --> 01:02:45,704

Xhafer: yeah.

:

01:02:45,754 --> 01:02:49,264

Uh, The other episodes that we've

seen from Carla are, you can't

:

01:02:49,264 --> 01:02:51,094

go home again and Colonial Day.

:

01:02:51,618 --> 01:02:53,843

Laura: Ah, good episodes.

:

01:02:53,843 --> 01:02:54,173

Yeah.

:

01:02:54,925 --> 01:02:55,255

Xhafer: So,

:

01:02:55,869 --> 01:02:56,709

Laura: Good job, Carla.

:

01:02:57,129 --> 01:02:57,579

Thank you.

:

01:02:59,036 --> 01:03:01,291

Xhafer: alright, well that was.

:

01:03:01,651 --> 01:03:04,081

Season two, episode five of the farm.

:

01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:06,631

Next week we got season two, episode six.

:

01:03:06,631 --> 01:03:07,231

Home.

:

01:03:07,771 --> 01:03:08,671

Part one.

:

01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:10,270

Laura: Yeah, part one.

:

01:03:11,371 --> 01:03:15,721

Xhafer: Rosalyn's Fragile

Coalition is put to the test in

:

01:03:15,721 --> 01:03:17,911

the first part of a two-part story.

:

01:03:18,511 --> 01:03:22,081

Apollo who siting with Rosalyn,

runs into a conflict with

:

01:03:22,081 --> 01:03:23,881

Zurich and his accomplice Meyer.

:

01:03:24,427 --> 01:03:24,817

Laura: Hmm.

:

01:03:24,847 --> 01:03:25,927

Have we met Meyer yet?

:

01:03:27,503 --> 01:03:27,535

Xhafer: I don't remember.

:

01:03:28,087 --> 01:03:28,537

Laura: Okay.

:

01:03:28,927 --> 01:03:29,257

All right.

:

01:03:29,317 --> 01:03:31,147

I was like, am I supposed

to remember who this is?

:

01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:31,718

Xhafer: I don't know.

:

01:03:32,138 --> 01:03:33,248

I don't remember who my ear is

:

01:03:33,517 --> 01:03:35,617

Laura: He's gonna be a

problem, is what I'm hearing.

:

01:03:36,248 --> 01:03:38,768

Xhafer: Uh, He's a problem for

Apollo, but he is not a problem

:

01:03:38,768 --> 01:03:41,048

for Apollo Until next week.

:

01:03:41,618 --> 01:03:46,808

So before we get into thank yous, why

don't you guys pitch a little cool

:

01:03:46,808 --> 01:03:48,488

girls don't look good explosions for us.

:

01:03:58,990 --> 01:03:59,530

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

01:03:59,576 --> 01:04:00,821

Xhafer: Hey, don't put that on me.

:

01:04:09,655 --> 01:04:12,055

Laura: Yeah, I kind of like Ernest Borgne.

:

01:04:12,505 --> 01:04:13,645

I don't know why

:

01:04:15,681 --> 01:04:15,971

Xhafer: Same.

:

01:04:19,375 --> 01:04:20,425

Laura: I kind of like him.

:

01:04:20,425 --> 01:04:22,525

I love my Santini Air shirt.

:

01:04:23,275 --> 01:04:23,395

Uh.

:

01:04:23,814 --> 01:04:24,954

It's weird.

:

01:04:25,494 --> 01:04:27,894

I have this weird bond with Airwolf now.

:

01:04:27,894 --> 01:04:31,434

That is, I think if we're gonna do a

little path analysis of why Laura likes

:

01:04:31,434 --> 01:04:33,594

Airwolf, it is because of the cool girls.

:

01:04:33,594 --> 01:04:35,904

Like it goes up through cool

girls and then it's airwolf.

:

01:04:36,505 --> 01:04:39,235

Xhafer: Yeah, the real Santini era is

the F Friends you made along the way.

:

01:04:39,582 --> 01:04:39,971

Laura: Yeah,

:

01:04:47,827 --> 01:04:48,247

Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:49,004 --> 01:04:50,959

Xhafer: this will air when

you guys are on break.

:

01:05:04,379 --> 01:05:04,769

Laura: Yeah,

:

01:05:05,295 --> 01:05:05,715

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: yeah, yeah.

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You've already accomplished

all the things.

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We're still trying to, trying

to muddle our way through it.

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Yeah, I'm excited.

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Xhafer: I'm.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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It is a little easier to make

jokey jokes at the silly masculine

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TV sometimes uh, than, than this.

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Xhafer: It is heavy.

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01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:41,680

Yeah.

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01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:48,760

Yeah.

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Yeah, we do.

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Last time on, on Tuesdays.

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Haha.

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Jokey joke.

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Who are you on Wednesdays?

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Oh God.

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What are we watching?

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01:05:59,230 --> 01:06:00,730

Cool Girls on Thursdays.

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01:06:00,850 --> 01:06:01,750

Jokey jokes.

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01:06:03,058 --> 01:06:03,278

Laura: Yep.

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01:06:03,610 --> 01:06:06,220

Xhafer: So, yeah.

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01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:11,410

That we are, God, we should make a,

that'd be a cool little sticker with the

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01:06:11,410 --> 01:06:12,940

three shows making a sandwich.

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01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:13,210

Yeah.

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01:06:13,904 --> 01:06:14,594

All right.

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01:06:14,744 --> 01:06:16,663

Well, thanks so much for joining us Glow.

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01:06:16,724 --> 01:06:19,214

I'm so glad you got to pick

an episode this time instead

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of having me pick it for you.

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01:06:20,594 --> 01:06:24,264

And uh, you got to come on

and it was great having you.

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01:06:24,264 --> 01:06:28,174

I really appreciated your perspective

on things, as I always do both as

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01:06:28,174 --> 01:06:29,764

your friend and as a fellow podcaster.

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01:06:29,764 --> 01:06:32,194

I love you too, glow.

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01:06:32,344 --> 01:06:38,384

So, with all that said, there's only one

thing left to do and that's say thank you.

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01:06:38,654 --> 01:06:39,854

So thank you.

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01:06:40,304 --> 01:06:44,084

Jeremy Siegel for our

banger of a theme song.

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01:06:45,044 --> 01:06:46,184

Appreciate the hell out of it.

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01:06:46,334 --> 01:06:47,564

Appreciate the hell outta you.

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01:06:48,284 --> 01:06:49,454

I heard you say you're welcome.

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01:06:49,694 --> 01:06:52,574

And I'm gonna say thank you again, and

you're gonna say you're welcome again.

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01:06:53,054 --> 01:06:53,684

And that's fine.

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01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:54,792

Laura: Don't, we'll get stuck in a

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01:06:55,154 --> 01:06:55,904

Xhafer: Oh, oh God.

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01:06:55,904 --> 01:06:57,374

Almost in a causality loop.

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01:06:57,984 --> 01:07:01,944

You can find more at Jeremy's

work at Jeremy 40 two.bandcamp.com

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01:07:02,244 --> 01:07:04,494

on streaming services as nuclear jaguar.

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01:07:04,494 --> 01:07:07,854

And then I think the savants

are playing shows right now.

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01:07:08,754 --> 01:07:11,814

If you happen to be in the

panhandle of Florida, you can

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01:07:11,814 --> 01:07:12,714

go see him Live.

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01:07:13,127 --> 01:07:13,527

Laura: unknown.

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01:07:13,734 --> 01:07:14,904

Xhafer: Person's unknown too.

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01:07:15,144 --> 01:07:17,663

There's, I think one of them is

about to drop an album, right?

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01:07:17,663 --> 01:07:18,234

One of the bands

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01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:19,387

Laura: Oh my gosh,

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01:07:19,734 --> 01:07:20,334

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:07:20,934 --> 01:07:21,894

There's so much music

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01:07:21,894 --> 01:07:23,004

and you should go enjoy it all.

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01:07:23,274 --> 01:07:25,554

'cause Jeremy does a hell of a job.

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01:07:26,231 --> 01:07:26,561

Laura: Yes.

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01:07:26,561 --> 01:07:30,881

And if you wanna see more silly little

artworks like our podcast artwork, you can

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01:07:30,881 --> 01:07:33,076

find Angry Duck time machine on Instagram.

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01:07:33,852 --> 01:07:35,802

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this episode.

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01:07:35,802 --> 01:07:37,962

I know I dropped in the middle

of it on accident, so it's

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01:07:37,962 --> 01:07:39,012

gonna be a bitch to edit.

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01:07:39,432 --> 01:07:40,572

Appreciate you, buddy.

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01:07:40,842 --> 01:07:41,442

Thank you.

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01:07:42,107 --> 01:07:44,777

Laura: And thank you, you, the

listener, for being here with us.

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01:07:44,807 --> 01:07:48,857

If you wanna go in the discord and

critique my current silent list,

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01:07:48,857 --> 01:07:50,657

feel free to join Spoiler Town.

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01:07:53,682 --> 01:07:54,767

We'd love to have you there.

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01:07:54,767 --> 01:07:55,787

It's a great time.

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01:07:56,277 --> 01:07:58,047

We're all very cool and chill.

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01:07:58,047 --> 01:08:00,417

Bring your coolest

chillest vibes with you.

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01:08:00,853 --> 01:08:03,343

Xhafer: The Discord is one of my

favorite places on the internet.

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01:08:03,348 --> 01:08:03,958

Hands down.

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01:08:04,467 --> 01:08:05,397

Laura: Yeah, for sure.

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01:08:05,747 --> 01:08:06,677

Xhafer: We'll see you next week.

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01:08:06,677 --> 01:08:07,127

Internet.

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01:08:08,205 --> 01:08:08,265

Laura: Bye.

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01:08:08,537 --> 01:08:08,777

Xhafer: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.