Episode 172

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21st May 2025

BSG S2E6 - Blood EBITDA

Laura and Xhafer take some time for tea. Xhafer slaps silly slogans on the renegade fleet's leadership. Laura laments the loss of nerds building old ships. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 6: Home Part 1.

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Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jair

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Laura: And I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: and I have no idea where

that voice came from just now.

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Laura: you made it like super chill,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, it's a

super chill kind of evening.

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We're, I mean, we, we've made reference

to the time that we record impacts

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the the pot a lot, like the different

flavors of who are, you have a lot

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to do with what time we get together.

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And this is a nine 30 sipping CBDT

fair you're getting right now.

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Laura: Oh, I need to get more of that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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You should, hernia and sons.

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Laura: There's this really good,

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Xhafer: I like the chill, the,

the chamomile with a hint of mint.

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Laura: I think that's the one we had.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: If you bought the one that

I sent you the link for, then if

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I am, I'm assuming I sent you a

link because I will send this link

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to anyone who in quizzes about.

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Laura: I think Aaron like

bought it himself, but I

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Xhafer: Hell yeah.

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Same brand.

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Okay.

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We did it.

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Laura: He, he buys a lot of hernia

and sons, if you, if you're just

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jamming on regular hernia and sons tea.

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Have you tried their Paris blend?

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Xhafer: Their pair spent

blend is fantastic.

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That is my sister's favorite tea.

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Laura: Yeah, mine too.

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I think so.

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Xhafer: Uh, When we're all

hanging out together at that cabin

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there will be some there, I'm

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Laura: Oh, good.

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Wonderful.

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Xhafer: Aaron and my sister can geek

out about Harney and sons together.

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That will be fun.

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Laura: We have so much

hernia and suns in our house.

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I have been trying to drink

more tea just to get through it.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I have uh, I have an entire shelf in

my kitchen, like, it's an open shelf

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that is just tins of teas and coffees

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Laura: You know what's

another interesting one?

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They have one that I think

is called Rose scented.

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Which rose can be divisive

for some people, right?

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Because it is if you overdo it like soapy,

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: but the rose scented tea, if

you get that and then you get a bottle

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of monan has a strawberry rose syrup,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: put those two together.

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Like do your brew up your tea, do a

couple squirts of the moan and rose.

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It's really good because like the

strawberry rose in the syrup kind

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of cuts some of that rose flavor and

just makes it a really delicious sip.

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Xhafer: I have some rose

tea, but it's not harney's.

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It's uh, Fortnam and Mason, which is

the other place I'll get tea from,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Also very good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: but I haven't.

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I have, I haven't bought

anything from them online.

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It's just anytime I'm in London, I go to

their Giant four story ridiculous place.

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I guess it's like an experience.

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It's like the biggest

tea shop or whatever.

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It's just, it's a blast.

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Laura: Did I tell you about the,

the Christmas that my mom and I

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ordered a hamper from Fortnam and

Mason's for my dad for Christmas?

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Have you heard of these hampers?

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It's like a big wicker chest.

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You fill with stuff and you, you get to

pick all, all the stuff that you want.

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But I guess my mom saw it on

all creatures great and small.

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I think that one of the, you know, regular

clientele of the vet on all creatures

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great and small, would give him a fortnam

and Mason's hamper every Christmas.

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And so she ordered one for my dad.

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It was pricey, but it was really fun.

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There was some cool stuff

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Xhafer: They're pricey.

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but it is cool.

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It's a, it's a really cool story.

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If you are in London and you are

going to spend some time in the

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Piccadilly area, that is definitely

the, i, I, I would say go to Fort.

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I'm in Mason over Herod's,

which is the other big thing

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Laura: Yeah.

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The other one that we know about, right.

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Xhafer: I would say Fordham and Mason

is a hundred percent worth it over

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Herod's unless you're there at Christmas.

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her, like one Piccadilly around

Christmas is just gorgeous.

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but Herod's a Christmas is

a whole other experience.

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It's in fucking nightmare.

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It's asked to ask people, but

it's a really cool experience.

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Okay.

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But t talk, yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This has been T cast.

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Xhafer: that has no tie in to our episode.

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Laura: No.

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I was like, wow, he brought some

really chill energy to this not

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chill episode.

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Xhafer: Um, I don't know

how to tell you this.

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I don't think there's a chill

episode of Battlestar Galactica

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in the tank past this point.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

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Like it's just,

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it's like wall to wall craziness.

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Here and I was, I was looking

at the episode numbers.

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This is only season two,

episode six, and we were talking

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the 20 plus episode seasons.

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So like we got a lot of crazy coming.

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah.

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These are old school 20

plus episode seasons.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This, this much drama gets packed into.

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Like a 10 episode season these days, like,

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Xhafer: I think that would be exhausting

to, to cram this into 10 episodes.

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I would not like this show.

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I would think it's too busy.

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I already.

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It's not too busy, but if I

think one more thing happened in

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episode, I might be upset about it.

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I might be like, we've crossed the

line, the, the, it tiptoes up to

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being too busy, but never crosses.

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Laura: I guess, I mean, what I'm

saying is that like we would have

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episodes this dramatic in just

a 10 episode season these days.

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Like not, not that we would

try to cram the 20 pounds of

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episode into a five pound bag.

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No.

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Like it's, people are doing

this now, but they're doing it

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with less stuff and it's like.

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Very impressive that we're

sustaining this momentum for twice as

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many episodes.

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Xhafer: was a real concern when

they moved up from 10 to 20.

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I read about it in the book.

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the making of it.

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It's one of the, the one of the

talking points for a minute where

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they're concerned about the ability

to keep the dramatic pace of season

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one through future seasons after they

increase the episode order per season.

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But they did it.

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they fucking did

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Laura: would, I would be worried too.

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Like there's a lot going on guys.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So much so that our, our opener

for season two episode six, home part one.

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There's a very dramatic last

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time on.

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Xhafer: it is quite the dramatic

last time on more dramatic than any

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episode of last time on I've recorded.

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and when we come back from that last time

on, it's, the ships have jumped away and

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Adam is asking about what we lost and.

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DE's all like this many people from this

colony, this many people from this colony.

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He's all like, no, no, no.

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I don't give a fuck about those traitors.

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What material did we lose?

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Laura: Yes.

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DOA is, she uses the word

souls too, not people.

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Like she's feeling it deeply.

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What has happened here and Adama is

like, whatever, I don't care about them.

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I care about the stuff that

I needed to get the rest of

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these people somewhere safely.

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Xhafer: Yeah, the mining ship

is the big sticking point here.

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Laura: mining ship is

a big sticking point.

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And then Ty also throws in a little bit

of stuff of like also morales in the

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toilet, like

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Xhafer: families are broken apart and

Adama stops, turns, stares right into

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the camera, as he will do another

two or three times this episode.

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When someone brings up

families being torn apart,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Boy.

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Xhafer: we cut over to the the quorum.

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the collective captains, maybe,

maybe the President's Posse maybe

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the religious representatives, the

Democratic delegate, the resistance

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rulers uh, the polytheistic premiers,

perhaps, the Holy Heads Estate, the

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pious panel, the conclave vocation, the

spiritual suits, the Faithful Forum, the

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devout directors, maybe, I'm not really

quite sure what to call these people.

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Laura: Yeah, I only recognize a couple

of them, like obviously El Lotes there.

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Um, and I do recognize, I believe

the lady from Jimon, that was one

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of the quorum, but it's not all the

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quorum, right?

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Xhafer: it's not, I

mean, Zers Goon is there.

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Lee is there.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: So not all quorum folk.

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anyways, they immediately questioned

Lee's loyalty, They briefly questioned

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fighting Galactica, which is just

like, that's fucking dumb, y'all.

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Laura: isn't that Zurich's idea?

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He's like, let's arm everybody.

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And if Galactica comes at

us, we just shoot them.

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And then Lee reminds them that

like, Galactica is the worship.

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None of these other ships are worships.

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I don't care how well you

try to fucking arm them.

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They're not warships and they won't

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be warships.

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Xhafer: We've seen

Galactica with stand nukes.

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Laura: Right?

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Xhafer: And it's just like how many of

those you got floating around the fleet?

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None.

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Just

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checking.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, and even like the other

ships that have weapons.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Maybe in the 70, 80, 90 days,

whatever it's been at this point,

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we've tried to retrofit some stuff.

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Retrofit never works as well.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well also, like, it's not like you

can just plug a gun into a, a ship

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in specifically in this universe.

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They're not networked computers, so then

you need a computer that does targeting.

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So now you're writing code.

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Laura: And you probably need like

a person there to do quick stuff.

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Like if it, if your computers are

networked together, then like a person

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needs to enter some stuff in sometimes

to make it do the thing correctly, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is a stupid

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Xhafer: it's, it's very stupid

and dismissed quicker than us.

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We talked about it longer than they did,

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Laura: True.

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Xhafer: uh, which, eh, it happens.

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Laura: They do argue about how long they

should wait for Star Bees because, you

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know, that's, that's a thing that Rosalyn

knows and has told others, is like,

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I sent her for

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Xhafer: Yeah, they have DoorDash open

on their phone and they keep seeing the

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order get delayed and delayed and delayed,

and there's no status from the driver.

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And they're just all like, I just want

to kick over so I can get my refund and

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reorder order something else right now.

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You know?

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And it's just like, and then.

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When they least expect it.

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an unknown ship rolls up.

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Starbuck manages to get some comms

through and docks on the Astro Queen.

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She's wearing a Buccaneers jersey.

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I don't know if you call it that.

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Laura: Oh, I thought, you know what?

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It reminded me of, it reminded

me of like, um, a rash guard.

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Like, like, um, when you're going.

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Surfing or

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something

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Xhafer: I mean, it's the same

pilot flight suit colors,

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: but.

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No, it's uh, it's a Buccaneer gear.

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Laura: Before Uck gets back though,

I want to call out that as they're

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arguing about what to do, they say,

you know, we, we probably think there

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are still sirens on the surface, right?

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Lee doesn't think that they're all gone.

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They blew up like seven of them.

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There's probably

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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There's more silence.

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Laura: And uh, El Lota reminds

them that the scriptures say that

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some of them are gonna die on cobol.

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And going to COBOL always

contains a blood cost.

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Right.

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I mean, considering the experience

that Lee well it wasn't Lee, was it?

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It was, it was Gaas.

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Really?

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Gaas and cheer, and I.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Cali had on cobalt.

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So they lost, crash down.

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They lost a sinus.

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They lost Tarn.

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That was the other guy.

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The medic made it

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through, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think

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so.

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Laura: Well, you know, I guess

a sinus and Tarn, you could just

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kind of chalk that up to like, oh,

it's because the cys were here, but

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: The crash down thing was like, we

all kind of turned on each other in a way,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: interesting.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: we get specs on

the, the vessel and boy

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: this is really interesting.

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Xhafer: So Star BES rolls in.

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Lee greets her with a kiss.

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And she

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Laura: I wasn't even thinking

about that, but it is

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Xhafer: like at ease, captain, right?

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Like, calm the fuck down Lee.

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Um, and she starts to talk with Rosalyn

real quick and she almost has a chance

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to warn them what's about to happen.

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She's like, oh, I should

probably tell you.

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And then Sharon pulls around the

corner and they're just like, oh fuck.

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Laura: And then it's another

Capric style standoff.

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Except this time all of our

guns are like touching skin.

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Like we have something

smashed into somebody's cheek.

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We got one in the back of the head.

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Xhafer: The,

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Laura: Everybody is mad, so

I wanna talk about this for a

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Xhafer: yeah, let's talk about it.

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Laura: Sharon fucking knew better than to

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do this.

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Xhafer: This was dumb on she's part,

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Laura: This is super

dumb on Sharon's part.

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She, she had to have known better, like.

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That she is not gonna be well received

because it it, if Starbuck hadn't

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like explained that, you know, oh,

there was a boomer on our ship,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: then she at least knows

from how Starbuck received her.

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But I'm, I'm pretty sure it

came up that like, oh fuck,

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you know, that we had a boomer.

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Starbucks doesn't know

about the shooting, but.

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Just a second.

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Sharon is gonna make

people lose their minds.

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Laura: That's enough.

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Forgetting that, you know,

she shot Adama, that's enough.

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Xhafer: Like.

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Laura: Sharon should have

stayed put till gotten.

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Xhafer: a hundred percent.

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Uh, Starbucks first order operation

should have been, oh, by the way Boomer's

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Asylum, so you need to call back to

Galactica and throw her in the Bri.

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Now, I, I don't see Galactica here.

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Whatever.

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We'll figure that out later.

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But you know, Adama needs to

know Boomers Asylum yesterday.

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Like, because we found, you know, and

then it's like, well, how do you know?

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It's like, well, they'll

be like, well, of course we

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know.

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But then it's all like,

well, we found one, so, Ugh.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's just, it's so dumb.

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It's so

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dumb.

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Laura: because she should have

known better, is this just

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stupid or is this manipulation?

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Xhafer: Is it stupid or is it cylon?

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Laura: That's the question.

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I forgot we had that

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Xhafer: you know, it's hard to

say and I don't, I, I think I'm

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going to remain silent here.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I think I won't

get into it too much.

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I do think it's really, really dumb

for her to walk out before Hilo.

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I don't think Hilo lets that happen.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I think, I think you bring kilo

out with Starbucks to establish that

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there's multiple people on this ship,

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Laura: uhhuh.

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Yeah.

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Th this is, I, I was.

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Very suspicious.

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I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

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The she's too smart.

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She, she knew something.

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So why, why are we playing this game?

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Don't like it.

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But we still need to go to theme

and talk about survivor Count

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Xhafer: Survivor count 4, 7, 8, 5, 8.

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This is plus one

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from last episode, which is Hilo.

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Laura: Which is Hilo.

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Yep.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I liked that.

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Yeah, I liked that.

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It's plus one for Hilo and nothing for

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Sharon.

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Xhafer: Sharon's not a survivor of the

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Laura: she doesn't count.

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Oh, so does that mean, say Say what?

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Uh, Until we got from Boomer before

she was shot is correct and that

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there are eight sirens in the fleet.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: Are they included

in Survivor count or not?

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Xhafer: I think.

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I think anyone.

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The Flotilla is prob, especially part of

the headcount right now, like I think if

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you were, 'cause okay, so the count has

stopped existing on Rosalyn's board and

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started existing outside of the fiction.

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Right?

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It's part of the theme song now

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and it's, but it started in

universe, on Rosalyn's board and

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that's where the initial number

from the theme song comes from.

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So that would be everyone in the fleet,

regardless of silence status, because

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they wouldn't know they were silence.

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Laura: But when Boomer got shot

and killed, or when Boomer got

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outed, even did Survivor count

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drop for Boomer?

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Xhafer: Did Survivor count Drop for

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Laura: I don't know.

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I'm, this is a hypothetical question.

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I'm not trying to trap anybody

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Xhafer: didn't get the count until,

I want to say episode three or four,

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and that was after, it didn't start

at the beginning of the second season

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Laura: So if one gets outed in the fleet,

that's what, that's the change point.

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I want us to like

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Xhafer: to track.

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Laura: Do, do we see them

get dropped from survivor

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count?

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Xhafer: so I am.

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Watching the episode,

writing down the number.

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Right?

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Like, but I am also referencing

a Wikipedia entry that is very

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thorough about the survivor count.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: if I'm, like, if I don't remember

all the details or like the name of

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like, oh, I forgot so sinus or something,

you know, like, um, so I'm kind of,

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I'm not just doing it off of memory.

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I am working with another source and

I'm curious what they do about it.

418

:

Laura: Yeah, I mean, we don't have

to solve this problem right now.

419

:

I was just curious uh, because like

you said, it is maybe outside the

420

:

fiction, so maybe the fiction just

already knows and has subtracted

421

:

them since it's not a Rosalyn number.

422

:

That's fine.

423

:

Xhafer: oh.

424

:

Okay.

425

:

Uh, there is a count

for, when Boomer is shot.

426

:

And it doesn't include her.

427

:

Laura: Okay, so Survivor

Count did include Boomer.

428

:

Xhafer: no.

429

:

No.

430

:

She's removed in at season

one, not season two.

431

:

She's removed in the episode that

she's outed as a asylum, not in

432

:

the episode where she's killed.

433

:

Laura: I think that's very appropriate.

434

:

I like that style.

435

:

I mean, you could do whatever, but

436

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

437

:

Laura: we said, it's outside the fiction,

so the survivor count could just know the

438

:

real number of humans and I wouldn't care.

439

:

But I, I think it's a nice touch that

they're like taking them out when

440

:

we find out someone's not a human.

441

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I'm curious about,

442

:

Laura: Something coming up.

443

:

Xhafer: I'm curious

about a couple of things.

444

:

Laura: Well, Rosalyn back from theme,

diffuses everything, so diplomatic.

445

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

446

:

She does a really good

job at deescalation here.

447

:

Unlike Helo, Starbuck and Lee who

all escalate, escalate, escalate.

448

:

Laura: Yeah.

449

:

Yeah.

450

:

Just jamming our guns into people's faces

451

:

harder.

452

:

Xhafer: Can I say how rude it is of

both Rosalyn and Hilo to not watch

453

:

the show that they're on because

they have no idea who each other are?

454

:

That's how you know this is Star Trek.

455

:

'cause in Star Trek they watch Star Trek.

456

:

Like canonically, we see characters

watching episodes of the, the

457

:

show that they're on sometimes

to like catch up with stuff.

458

:

So we know that they know what's

going on at all times with

459

:

all of the other characters.

460

:

they don't,

461

:

Laura: Yeah.

462

:

It's like they were, you know,

on two different locations

463

:

through the whole first season.

464

:

It's so

465

:

weird.

466

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

467

:

It's like, I don't know who you are, lady.

468

:

It's like, that's the fucking president.

469

:

Dumbass.

470

:

So good.

471

:

Laura: I love it.

472

:

But we do get Lee and Hilo to agree

to like put our guns down on three.

473

:

And Rosalyn just immediately

flips back to Airlock,

474

:

Rosalyn.

475

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

476

:

Yeah.

477

:

The Rosalind doctrine takes

effect, silos go out, airlocks, um,

478

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

479

:

Xhafer: and

480

:

Laura: is dragged

481

:

away like screaming.

482

:

Xhafer: Hilo is still holding his gun.

483

:

Laura: Yeah, but he put it

484

:

Xhafer: Lee.

485

:

Laura: but he agreed to put it

down, so he's just gonna like

486

:

not go back on that, I guess.

487

:

Xhafer: star beats gets caught up on the

whole Adama being shot bit very quickly.

488

:

and when Rosalyn sees the arrow, she

delays the execution to follow up

489

:

on Sharon's knowledge of the tomb

of Athena that she was shouting out

490

:

as she was getting carried away.

491

:

Laura: Yeah, of course she knows

where the Tomb of Athena is.

492

:

Like of course Lee,

like very sarcastically.

493

:

Thanks Starbucks for

bringing in the trash.

494

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that's fucking rude.

495

:

Laura: So rude,

496

:

Xhafer: He, she did bring Hilo back too.

497

:

Laura: right?

498

:

Which One Is the trash?

499

:

Uh, No, like he's, Lee is very

like childish with Starbucks

500

:

several times in this episode,

and that is just ding number one.

501

:

Back on Galactica.

502

:

Adama is eating

503

:

walnuts,

504

:

Xhafer: with his bare hands

505

:

Laura: uh,

506

:

just

507

:

Xhafer: walked in was all like,

they've invented robot fighting

508

:

machines, but not nutcrackers,

509

:

Laura: oh, but he doesn't need one.

510

:

Honey,

511

:

Xhafer: No, no, he is uh, it is

very masculine energy, just sitting

512

:

there, cracking them with his hands.

513

:

Laura: Who needs a stress

ball when you can just crunch.

514

:

I watch with subtitles on,

as we've said many times the,

515

:

the crunches were subtitled.

516

:

It said crunch

517

:

every time he did it.

518

:

Xhafer: I saw that on mine too.

519

:

Laura: So he's got Ty talking

about picking a new cag.

520

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

521

:

Laura: got some guy he suggests,

and Adama immediately dismisses it.

522

:

Xhafer: as a lieutenant now, captain

George Catman Birch, that's his call sign.

523

:

They don't say it in this episode.

524

:

I had to Google it,

525

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

526

:

Yeah.

527

:

Xhafer: his call sign's Catman,

528

:

Laura: Catman?

529

:

Xhafer: who's this guy

is the correct response.

530

:

This is not a character we've seen before.

531

:

Laura: Yeah.

532

:

Xhafer: and Ty is just like,

why did you ask me to do the

533

:

thing you've already done, dude?

534

:

Laura: Oh yeah.

535

:

I, uh.

536

:

don't love this for like, probably some

future conflict between Ty and Adama.

537

:

Like for one thing, you, you totally

didn't respect the choice that I had,

538

:

and you'd already done it without me,

539

:

so

540

:

what's the fucking point?

541

:

Xhafer: What is the fucking point?

542

:

Also, cat man's too green.

543

:

Ty calls it out right there

before any of the shit that goes

544

:

down in this episode goes down.

545

:

Laura: Yeah.

546

:

Xhafer: And I don't like giving

soul TA lot of points, but

547

:

when he is right, he's right.

548

:

Laura: A broken clock happens

549

:

twice a day.

550

:

Yeah.

551

:

Xhafer: the Press Badger Adama, this

pesky press getting in the way of

552

:

his authoritarian military coup.

553

:

Adama gives a short speech about

going on without the ships that left.

554

:

He doesn't answer a question twice,

and when he tries to leave, he gets a

555

:

good threat out on his way on the door.

556

:

Laura: Yeah.

557

:

Yeah.

558

:

We wanna love Daddy Adama.

559

:

He, his little speech was about, you know,

family we're, we are a family together.

560

:

We need to, to stay together at this time.

561

:

That we've been divided.

562

:

And the reporter asked him

specifically like, are you gonna go

563

:

back and get the rest of the fleet?

564

:

Which would be, I don't

know, staying together.

565

:

And that's the thing he's like, not about.

566

:

but somehow the uh, word has

gotten out that earth isn't real.

567

:

Yikes.

568

:

Xhafer: Mm.

569

:

Laura: Uh, Do we think this is

just general rumor or do we think

570

:

somebody overheard Starbuck?

571

:

Xhafer: Um,

572

:

Laura: Or is it cylon?

573

:

Xhafer: eh Mm, I'm not gonna say anything.

574

:

Laura: Okay.

575

:

But it could plausibly, it could

be any of those three, right?

576

:

It could be just

577

:

general rumor because like

578

:

Xhafer: I mean, overhearing Uck would

be weird because this is the part

579

:

of the fleet that Starbucks not.

580

:

Near right.

581

:

Well, oh,

582

:

oh, oh.

583

:

From episodes

584

:

ago.

585

:

Yeah,

586

:

Laura: right.

587

:

When she was asking Adama about

it, and he gave his very like

588

:

vague, not satisfying response.

589

:

Like someone could have overheard that and

immediately hopped to like, oh, not real.

590

:

Or, you know, we could just have

general rumors from, it's been

591

:

80 ish or whatever days, and

we're all tired of this bullshit.

592

:

And, uh.

593

:

we just started talking

or silence also a thing.

594

:

Any of the three is plausible.

595

:

So yes, he threatens jail

time for that awful slander,

596

:

which like, not a great look.

597

:

Daddy.

598

:

Xhafer: No, no, it is not.

599

:

We stand free speech on this podcast.

600

:

Laura: We do and Ty like takes him

out of the press meeting and tells

601

:

him like to calm down and like

has his hand on his arm and stuff.

602

:

And I thought that all Ty telling

anyone to calm down was very rich.

603

:

Xhafer: let's see.

604

:

After this, uh, Baltar is suspicious

of everyone being a silo, knowing

605

:

that there's eight in the fleet here,

606

:

Laura: Yeah, he's doing a real

607

:

Laura.

608

:

Xhafer: really beating himself up

over finding out something good.

609

:

Laura: No, no, no.

610

:

I meant like how I'm suspicious

that everyone's a silo.

611

:

Xhafer: Oh, that too.

612

:

Yeah.

613

:

Um, like you did, you did

find out something important.

614

:

It should be, should be celebrated.

615

:

but, uh,

616

:

Laura: he's getting weird.

617

:

I mean, he was weird before.

618

:

He's getting

619

:

Xhafer: six bts all like, have you

tried not having anxiety because

620

:

that's worked really well for me.

621

:

And so you should try that.

622

:

Just, just try not having anxiety.

623

:

Laura: There is something she said here.

624

:

She's like saying, you're not like them.

625

:

Gaas, you're better than them.

626

:

You're, you're something else.

627

:

And I was like, that is groomer talk.

628

:

Like that is what groomers do to victims.

629

:

Oh, you are better than other girls.

630

:

You are more special.

631

:

You are, and this is something they do

before they do horrible things to you.

632

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

633

:

So mature for your age.

634

:

Yeah.

635

:

The, ugh, God, just

saying it makes me, ugh,

636

:

Laura: it gives me the big ick and I'm

like, guys is getting a little weird.

637

:

And even, even when.

638

:

She's saying you're not like them.

639

:

He immediately goes to

like, oh, am I a silent,

640

:

Xhafer: I could be one of the eight.

641

:

Laura: And then she's like, no, no,

no, you're just better than like, you

642

:

know, playing to his ego and all that.

643

:

And I was just like, I don't like this.

644

:

I mean, I never liked this, right?

645

:

But it's getting, since we did

the thing on cobol, getting

646

:

weirder, more uncomfortable.

647

:

Not excited about where that's going.

648

:

Xhafer: just wait.

649

:

Laura: Everyone keeps saying, guys,

Baltar gets worse, and I feel like I'm

650

:

starting to see sprinklings of something

not great is coming from this very man.

651

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that would

be, that would be correct.

652

:

We'll get there.

653

:

Rosalyn talks to Sharon, who offers

to print out MapQuest directions,

654

:

but not like plug it into her GPS.

655

:

She's like, look, I can, I can help

you find the way, but I can't just

656

:

like tell you where to park the car.

657

:

Laura: Yeah.

658

:

She gives her the whole baby business too.

659

:

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

660

:

Laura: I'm still not convinced, like.

661

:

Xhafer: mean, don't be

662

:

Laura: It's something about the way

that she talks about it, the fact that

663

:

it's been 80 ish days or whatever,

and there's like no physical sign.

664

:

We saw her throw up a few times.

665

:

Okay.

666

:

Like,

667

:

Xhafer: what day are we on?

668

:

Laura: I don't think we're getting

669

:

any day count anymore.

670

:

Xhafer: We are somewhere between

Day 60 was the last episode

671

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

672

:

Xhafer: and.

673

:

The next one I see is in four

episodes, and that's day 86.

674

:

So we're somewhere between 60 and 86.

675

:

I'm gonna guess probably closer

to 70, just because of the time it

676

:

takes to get from Caprica to COBAL

677

:

Laura: Yeah, maybe.

678

:

I mean, I know that those first four

episodes did seem like a very, like only

679

:

a span of a couple of days, so maybe,

maybe it is closer to 60, and maybe I'm

680

:

just assuming too much about how asylum

would look physically when pregnant,

681

:

but

682

:

Xhafer: Colonial Day was day

48 and resistance, which was

683

:

two episodes ago, was day 54.

684

:

So that was all within a week.

685

:

Laura: Okay.

686

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so you're right.

687

:

It, I mean, it times time gets weird.

688

:

Laura: Yeah, maybe maybe physically.

689

:

I shouldn't be expecting so much

from Sharon, but like something

690

:

about this doesn't feel like

I'm really a pregnant person.

691

:

I'm not convinced.

692

:

Um.

693

:

Yeah.

694

:

She also does tell Rosalyn like, by

the way, all of us know about the tomb.

695

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

696

:

Laura: Like this is not

an a me exclusive thing.

697

:

All of the asylums know about

the tomb of Athena, so you don't

698

:

have a lot of time to get there.

699

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

700

:

Rosalyn tells Sharon, if she fucks up,

not only is she gonna be airlock by the

701

:

way, but Helo is gonna be airlock as well.

702

:

Laura: Yeah.

703

:

Sharon seems to really

care what happens to Hilo.

704

:

That's something Rosalyn has like.

705

:

Glommed on too.

706

:

Um, and she also tells Zurich and AIA

like, yeah, she's, she's really believing

707

:

this baby thing and she really cares.

708

:

And so This is how I'm gonna

709

:

manipulate her.

710

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

711

:

Zurich's Goon Meyer is here for all

this too, and he's just all like,

712

:

whoa, like maybe calm down a little.

713

:

And when Zurich's goon is like taken aback

by how far you're willing to go, you know,

714

:

you need to his toe it the fuck down.

715

:

Laura: You are maybe gooning a

716

:

little harder than he is.

717

:

Yeah,

718

:

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

719

:

Rosalyn's.

720

:

Gooning much harder than him.

721

:

Laura: yeah,

722

:

Xhafer: nonstop gooning

from Rosalyn right now.

723

:

Laura: But El Lota is a little racist

because she refers to Sharon as a lower

724

:

demon mentioned in the scriptures.

725

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

726

:

Not a great look.

727

:

Laura: So Gooning and racism going on.

728

:

Xhafer: Yep.

729

:

Laura: Zurich is not a believer, right?

730

:

Xhafer: Nah,

731

:

Laura: He does not give two shits about

732

:

any of the scripture.

733

:

Xhafer: nah, it's convenient right now.

734

:

Catman runs a training drill that

goes awry and almost kills cat as hot.

735

:

Dog makes a run at the same time

and an asteroid gets blown up.

736

:

Laura: This is just

comm's problems, right?

737

:

Like he should have like called a

halt on everything till we get these

738

:

comms straightened out 'cause we can't

739

:

understand each other.

740

:

Xhafer: Yep.

741

:

Live fire exercises is the wrong

time to not be able to communicate.

742

:

Laura: Take, take those vipers back to

the barn and get chief Tyrell on this

743

:

right now because we, we can't have this.

744

:

and we get a couple more things.

745

:

Helo goes to Apologize to

746

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

747

:

Laura: Lee confronts Sharon,

748

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

749

:

Laura: he pulls this gun out, but

Star Bees is nearby and stops him.

750

:

Xhafer: yeah,

751

:

Laura: They have another

little petty fight.

752

:

Xhafer: She's like, Hey, you

can't know what happened to us.

753

:

Like we, we literally have

not talked to you about it.

754

:

You don't know what's going

on maybe except that you don't

755

:

know everything right now.

756

:

Laura: Yeah.

757

:

And importantly,

758

:

why haven't you fucking asked?

759

:

Like ask, it's important to know

what's going on on Caprica, if.

760

:

You brought back another Sharon

and you've got this arrow

761

:

and how long did it take her?

762

:

It didn't happen in a couple of days.

763

:

It was at least a week.

764

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

765

:

Laura: that's a lot of time.

766

:

That stuff happens to you

in a fucking war zone.

767

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

768

:

Laura: Ask Lee.

769

:

Ask and he should have been asking

way before even this moment.

770

:

And better than he asks in the

moment when he does try to ask.

771

:

Xhafer: Yes.

772

:

Like, holy shit, you found Hilo.

773

:

What are the chances of that?

774

:

Airlock, this guy.

775

:

Um, but yeah, Lee we'll

get to it in a minute.

776

:

The scene with Lee uh,

777

:

Zurich and Meyer scheme

to kill Lee on COBOL here.

778

:

So that Zurich is the obvious choice

to be the fleet's new military leader.

779

:

Catman fucks up again, and even

Lieutenant Felix, I have yet to say

780

:

a bad thing about anyone in my life.

781

:

Gata is like, dude isn't ready,

782

:

Laura: Yeah, it refueling should

be one of the simpler tasks, right?

783

:

Xhafer: and he's on like hour four

of a like 30 minute chop right now.

784

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

785

:

Really uncomfortable for everybody.

786

:

Ty is super frustrated 'cause we know

he's got great stores of patients, right?

787

:

Yeah.

788

:

Not

789

:

good.

790

:

Xhafer: Not good.

791

:

after this, Lee takes Kara's ball.

792

:

She does not like this.

793

:

He does make a.

794

:

Almost earnest attempt to be a

friend for a small amount of this,

795

:

but this entire scene is like

school children arguing almost like

796

:

it's so fucking awkward and weird.

797

:

Laura: He's like a brother and sister.

798

:

I was like.

799

:

Looking at this, thinking about how

my children were playing with sticks

800

:

out in the backyard and my son took

the stick from his little sister

801

:

and then wouldn't give it back.

802

:

And yeah, I was just like,

man, this is so Childishly.

803

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

804

:

Laura: And Uck clearly has like.

805

:

Some trauma and some things

she's not dealing with.

806

:

So she's not going to act adult about

807

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

808

:

Laura: But I think if he would lead

with maturity, she would match the

809

:

maturity or try to meet the maturity

as best she could, but he's not.

810

:

So we're just stuck in this like back

and forth loop of being children about

811

:

it and nobody's actually getting to

talk about what they need to talk about.

812

:

Xhafer: Catman OP has a collision after

the commander calls to abort the mission.

813

:

I just have a big O in my notes.

814

:

Laura: Yeah, he blew it.

815

:

Xhafer: Sure.

816

:

Did.

817

:

Laura: He blew it so bad, and

Adama's gotta send the rescue team.

818

:

Xhafer: Down on cobol, we have a lot

of main characters and supporting

819

:

characters, plus a few randos,

so we know that someone's gonna

820

:

help fulfill this blood prophecy.

821

:

But speaking of that blood prophecy,

our high priestess finds a tombstone

822

:

and a landmine as some cylons open fire.

823

:

Laura: Yeah, she said that, you know,

the, the Sharon starts leading them up.

824

:

This Rocky Ridge and El Lotion's

got her book like Open Reading

825

:

and says, oh, there's supposed to

be gravestones marking the way.

826

:

And she gets excited

when she finds one and.

827

:

Like thinking, ah, I'm going

the right way, and just steps

828

:

on this freaking landmine.

829

:

Ugh.

830

:

Before that, I did wanna point out

that as they're getting ready to head

831

:

up the, the ridge lee gives Zeek a gun

and Zeek seems kind of like surprised,

832

:

like, oh, and maybe like almost a little

like respect, like, oh, He doesn't

833

:

completely trust me, but he's still like,

834

:

Xhafer: he gave me a gun.

835

:

Laura: extending me respect.

836

:

Huh?

837

:

I, I almost see in, in Richard

Hatch's face like a little, like,

838

:

huh, do I want, do I really wanna do

839

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

840

:

Laura: in his face?

841

:

Very nice

842

:

Xhafer: During the ensuing shootout,

Sharon runs away, is pursued by Lee and

843

:

overpowers him to kill the last centurion.

844

:

Laura: Yeah, Lee is, is on tour

her, the second she rushes off.

845

:

They've got Sharon, like they

got her kind of hog tied together

846

:

a little bit like she can't.

847

:

Have totally free use of her

hands, but the battle bots

848

:

are raining down upon them.

849

:

These are the advanced model that looks

down and Lee chases her, he tackles her.

850

:

She's got this, the big gun,

851

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

852

:

Laura: the grenade

launcher or whatever, and

853

:

he thinks it's over, but.

854

:

She manages to get free from him

long enough to shoot the ridge and

855

:

makes him look like a complete fool.

856

:

Xhafer: Sure does.

857

:

Laura: This next scene.

858

:

Xhafer: this is when Adama is working

on the model of the sailing ship.

859

:

And before we talk about what happens

to the scene, can we talk about

860

:

why the fuck Adama would be working

on the model of a sailing ship?

861

:

Laura: Can we talk about how nervous

Laura was for this little ship?

862

:

I am like just, I'm on ship Watch 2025.

863

:

Now I'm waiting for Adam

to break his little ships

864

:

Like I was so nervous.

865

:

You know, he is got the paintbrush and

he is like delicately doing the thing.

866

:

We all gotta have hobbies.

867

:

Everybody needs to

868

:

de-stress,

869

:

Xhafer: But this, this makes no sense.

870

:

Like, no, no.

871

:

So the 12 colonies have been around for a

thousand,:

872

:

Since they left COBOL right.

873

:

Thousand, 2000 years, they started

as a space fairing culture.

874

:

Right.

875

:

Laura: Yeah, but you

still need ships when you

876

:

Xhafer: is, this is a wooden sailing ship.

877

:

You would've had steel ships, like

they would've had, they wouldn't have

878

:

had these wooden style ships since.

879

:

Multiple thousands of years ago

and probably only on cobol, right?

880

:

You're telling me a wooden shipwright

skillset survived interstellar travel

881

:

and thousands of years of it being,

it's barely exists now, and most wooden

882

:

ships that are around are like a hun.

883

:

I mean, besides ones that were

built with nicely, but like there's

884

:

like a hundred year old sailing

ships and that's like, it stops.

885

:

Laura: Yeah.

886

:

Xhafer: Right.

887

:

This would be like someone having in,

in the modern day making stone age

888

:

ships and you're like, Welch Fair.

889

:

Hey, there's probably some

fucking nerd who does that and no.

890

:

They don't because we don't

know what they looked like.

891

:

We don't know what they

looked like at all.

892

:

You're just making conjecture.

893

:

Absolutely.

894

:

No evidence of these ships has survived,

and the only reason we know they had

895

:

sailing in the stone age is because

we found shit where it shouldn't be.

896

:

I'm talking like 4,000, 3000 BC here, like

897

:

Laura: Okay.

898

:

Because I was like pretty sure there's

some pretty old, pretty nerdy people

899

:

who've made some pretty old ships, but

900

:

Okay.

901

:

Stone age I

902

:

Xhafer: pre finian, like, yeah, no, this

is old, old, old, old, old, old, old,

903

:

thousands of years before the pyramids.

904

:

Laura: Yeah.

905

:

Okay, I

906

:

will concede that,

907

:

Xhafer: That's, that is the length

of time I would assume has passed

908

:

since Adama was part of a culture, a

Dames culture, had any kind of wooden

909

:

sailing ship that would look like this.

910

:

Laura: I would

911

:

pause

912

:

Xhafer: absurd.

913

:

Laura: that I will be very worried

about our society when there are no

914

:

longer giant nerds out there somewhere

915

:

building old ships like

916

:

Xhafer: Bill no ships

917

:

is fine.

918

:

Laura: we need.

919

:

giant nerds

920

:

building old ships.

921

:

Xhafer: I, I I,

922

:

Laura: just do.

923

:

Xhafer: one of my favorite thing, like

every other Sunday I sit down and watch

924

:

my fucking boat building guy on YouTube.

925

:

Like I've watched this dude

build a ship over six years

926

:

and take it sailing and stuff.

927

:

It's crazy.

928

:

Um.

929

:

But it's like, I love that shit.

930

:

Don't get me wrong, but the

amount of time that has passed,

931

:

you should not be doing this.

932

:

I know this is the, this is the most

pedantic bullshit I've ever going

933

:

to rant about on pod, on this pod,

probably on, maybe on this pod.

934

:

Laura: Uh, Jair iss knocking on wood.

935

:

He's really hopeful that this

is the worst that he gets.

936

:

Xhafer: I have a like page of

notes ranting about this ship.

937

:

Laura: I hope we see this ship again,

and I hope it survives, all I'm saying.

938

:

Xhafer: uh,

939

:

Laura: I am a little worried about

it, especially this whole time.

940

:

He's delicately painting

on his little ship.

941

:

He is waxing on about betrayal

942

:

Xhafer: In rage.

943

:

Laura: and rage.

944

:

And you wonder because we're making it

clear, he's not just talking to himself,

945

:

he is talking to someone and it is

very drawn out who he is talking to.

946

:

And then we find out it is poor Duala.

947

:

Xhafer: Dee ended up on this duty somehow.

948

:

Laura: Oh my God.

949

:

And well, she tells us that he

specifically asked to talk to

950

:

her.

951

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

952

:

And she doesn't pull any punches.

953

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

954

:

Xhafer: She's just like,

look, you don't feel betrayal.

955

:

You feel helpless, and that's normal.

956

:

You were shot, but you've broken a

promise now and you're helpless in the

957

:

face of breaking a promise and you owe

it to the fleet to put it back together.

958

:

That you promised us that we were

going to find Earth together.

959

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

960

:

Xhafer: That means everyone.

961

:

Laura: Yeah.

962

:

And if you leave them now, then even if

you find Earth, you have failed because

963

:

you promised and she calls him out too.

964

:

She says, maybe you asked to talk to

me because you thought I didn't have

965

:

anything to say, but you're wrong.

966

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

967

:

Laura: Or maybe he was thinking,

well, I'll just rant at this

968

:

lower ranked person for a while.

969

:

They'll walk away and she wasn't

gonna just totally take it.

970

:

Xhafer: Nope.

971

:

Laura: So he does dismiss

her rather angrily.

972

:

Uh, But she, she once again

insists that we can't stay apart.

973

:

Children are separated from their parents.

974

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

975

:

Laura: he can get another

976

:

Xhafer: Deep

977

:

Laura: look in.

978

:

Yeah.

979

:

Stare directly at camera.

980

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

981

:

on Cobal, Rosalyn mourn Zia and takes

her bloodstained book of Pythia.

982

:

Laura: Yeah.

983

:

Xhafer: Uh, DAMA heads to CIC to

tell everyone, to prepare to head

984

:

to cobol, to be, to be continued.

985

:

Laura: Two things I love

about this last scene.

986

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

987

:

Laura: Number one, did you love the Danny

Boy style music that was playing as Adama?

988

:

Walk the hallway like Aaron started

humming Danny Boy, and I was like,

989

:

goddammit, it does have a little like

990

:

Danny

991

:

Xhafer: It, it, it's gotta

hit a Danny Boy for sure.

992

:

Laura: Yeah.

993

:

And then two as Adama is like, we're

getting the band back together.

994

:

Take us to cobol.

995

:

The look from SA tie of,

I hate my fucking job.

996

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

997

:

Laura: I don't like where that's going.

998

:

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be some, some

conflict, but also it was very funny.

999

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:28,000

Laura: Uh, so That's home part one.

:

00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:29,190

Xhafer: that's our episode.

:

00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:30,800

Laura: There is more.

:

00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:31,412

We'll have

:

00:46:31,412 --> 00:46:32,372

to do it next time.

:

00:46:32,428 --> 00:46:32,596

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:46:32,741 --> 00:46:33,641

There's home part two.

:

00:46:33,735 --> 00:46:37,495

but, uh, before, well, before we

get there, you know, we gotta,

:

00:46:37,705 --> 00:46:39,205

gotta, gotta rate this episode.

:

00:46:39,737 --> 00:46:41,027

Laura: Oh yeah, I guess we do.

:

00:46:41,612 --> 00:46:42,572

Xhafer: That's kind of our thing.

:

00:46:43,052 --> 00:46:44,642

I mean, we don't have to do shit.

:

00:46:46,157 --> 00:46:46,547

Laura: It's true.

:

00:46:46,547 --> 00:46:46,757

It's

:

00:46:46,757 --> 00:46:46,937

our

:

00:46:46,937 --> 00:46:47,537

podcast.

:

00:46:47,537 --> 00:46:47,657

We

:

00:46:47,732 --> 00:46:48,272

Xhafer: Fuck it.

:

00:46:48,662 --> 00:46:49,082

Right.

:

00:46:49,412 --> 00:46:52,052

We, we, we've made it up as

we've gone the entire time.

:

00:46:52,052 --> 00:46:53,762

Let's just, we can keep going with that.

:

00:46:54,152 --> 00:46:57,272

I'm sure there's an episode we forgot

to rate and we just don't even know.

:

00:46:57,865 --> 00:46:59,395

I, I promise that's happened.

:

00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:01,300

Laura: Do you wanna go first?

:

00:47:01,435 --> 00:47:02,065

Xhafer: Sure.

:

00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:02,875

Yeah.

:

00:47:02,875 --> 00:47:05,586

Um, I like that.

:

00:47:06,981 --> 00:47:14,961

A lot of this show is built around, I

don't wanna say Adama's, infallibility

:

00:47:15,201 --> 00:47:19,989

clearly but that's kind of like a premise

of it a little bit, you know, like he

:

00:47:19,989 --> 00:47:21,999

makes a decision, it's the right decision.

:

00:47:22,809 --> 00:47:31,599

And to see him be so very

wrong, very openly to Ty.

:

00:47:31,989 --> 00:47:35,379

About this decision and everyone, everyone

on the crew knows this is a bad decision.

:

00:47:35,379 --> 00:47:38,499

Everyone in CIC is just

like, this was terrible.

:

00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,419

Like, why does he have this job?

:

00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:50,319

that is a very important bit to start

to come to light, you know, is Adama is

:

00:47:50,349 --> 00:47:57,819

able to be, not only is fallible in a

at all, but in a very consequential way.

:

00:47:58,669 --> 00:47:59,089

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:04,089

Xhafer: Because that sets up

a lot of stuff that's coming.

:

00:48:04,909 --> 00:48:05,329

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:05,889 --> 00:48:06,369

Xhafer: I like that.

:

00:48:06,369 --> 00:48:11,529

This is kind of the kickoff of some

stuff that, um, I mean some of it

:

00:48:11,529 --> 00:48:13,179

doesn't even pay off until season four.

:

00:48:13,749 --> 00:48:19,089

Like some of this is really long

building stuff with some, some people's

:

00:48:19,089 --> 00:48:21,519

reactions to things in this episode.

:

00:48:22,299 --> 00:48:24,969

Um, will, will pay off

that late in the game.

:

00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:31,629

So knowing all that, looking at the

story, um, I really like this episode.

:

00:48:31,959 --> 00:48:34,479

I like the world building

with COBOL a bit more.

:

00:48:35,269 --> 00:48:36,769

I'm gonna give this a 10 outta 12.

:

00:48:38,434 --> 00:48:39,544

Laura: I'm, I'm thinking 10.

:

00:48:39,544 --> 00:48:43,294

I was like, I, I don't have the

continuity questions that I had and.

:

00:48:43,414 --> 00:48:44,794

Our last episode.

:

00:48:45,814 --> 00:48:50,614

So I, I couldn't really

argue it low from that angle.

:

00:48:50,614 --> 00:48:53,944

And I do like this stuff with Adama.

:

00:48:53,944 --> 00:49:00,214

I see Adama as kind of a

metaphor for patriarchy, right?

:

00:49:00,814 --> 00:49:02,958

And there is a very.

:

00:49:04,138 --> 00:49:08,548

Maybe natural, like instinctual

tendency that people want to

:

00:49:08,548 --> 00:49:10,408

gravitate toward patriarchy.

:

00:49:10,408 --> 00:49:19,648

Like the idea of a man in charge who

seems like our father, who knows what

:

00:49:19,648 --> 00:49:21,928

to do at all times is just so appealing.

:

00:49:22,963 --> 00:49:27,778

Like, if you don't wanna challenge

stuff, if, if you don't wanna work

:

00:49:27,778 --> 00:49:31,858

too hard, like if you don't wanna

have your own personal responsibility.

:

00:49:32,218 --> 00:49:35,758

You wanna believe that

like, daddy will save us.

:

00:49:36,178 --> 00:49:36,328

You

:

00:49:36,328 --> 00:49:36,538

know?

:

00:49:37,603 --> 00:49:38,473

Xhafer: Papa dama.

:

00:49:39,043 --> 00:49:39,553

Save us.

:

00:49:39,688 --> 00:49:39,958

Laura: yes.

:

00:49:41,518 --> 00:49:43,888

You, you wanna believe

Papa Dama will save us.

:

00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:45,988

And, and people do this all the time.

:

00:49:46,458 --> 00:49:53,388

As case in point, the world around

us, we wanna believe that a strong man

:

00:49:53,388 --> 00:49:57,828

in charge of things will lead us to

victory or lead us to whatever, right?

:

00:49:58,938 --> 00:50:00,678

And we're.

:

00:50:01,788 --> 00:50:07,668

Even in this narrative with the, the

music that they get and, and the speeches

:

00:50:07,668 --> 00:50:09,768

Adama gives, we wanna believe it, right?

:

00:50:10,218 --> 00:50:14,435

We wanna believe that if I just

contribute my part, and I don't

:

00:50:14,435 --> 00:50:17,375

have to do anymore, and I don't

have to take extra responsibility,

:

00:50:18,035 --> 00:50:19,925

daddy Adama will get us out of this.

:

00:50:20,815 --> 00:50:23,515

But we're seeing Daddy

Adama is also a human being,

:

00:50:23,985 --> 00:50:24,145

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:50:24,775 --> 00:50:26,215

Laura: and human beings make mistakes.

:

00:50:26,215 --> 00:50:27,660

And when you put them up higher.

:

00:50:29,095 --> 00:50:33,205

In that hierarchy and the the

power structure, the mistakes

:

00:50:33,595 --> 00:50:35,635

have bigger consequences.

:

00:50:36,265 --> 00:50:40,405

So there's a price we pay for giving up

our personal responsibility and putting

:

00:50:40,405 --> 00:50:47,635

it with another person above us is that

they can more bad things or you know,

:

00:50:47,635 --> 00:50:49,645

their mistakes can have more consequences.

:

00:50:50,545 --> 00:50:54,985

But we feel absolved because we

didn't have to do it ourselves,

:

00:50:55,618 --> 00:50:56,488

if that makes sense.

:

00:50:56,998 --> 00:50:59,128

So very interesting.

:

00:50:59,128 --> 00:51:01,113

I, I'll sit with you on the 10 hill.

:

00:51:01,628 --> 00:51:01,918

Xhafer: Okay.

:

00:51:02,763 --> 00:51:05,373

Well, while we're uh, hanging

out on this 10 hill, we should

:

00:51:05,373 --> 00:51:06,633

talk about next episode.

:

00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:13,153

We got season two, episode seven,

home Part two, Alama heads to COBAL

:

00:51:13,153 --> 00:51:17,653

to find Rosalyn reassemble the fleet

and heads down to the surface of

:

00:51:17,653 --> 00:51:22,213

Cobal himself to find the presidential

party in search of the tomb of Athena.

:

00:51:23,003 --> 00:51:23,223

Laura: Wow.

:

00:51:23,623 --> 00:51:25,603

Xhafer: I took half of this outta here

:

00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:27,103

Laura: Yeah,

:

00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:33,013

I, I made the mistake a couple episodes

back of kind of glancing ahead at an

:

00:51:33,013 --> 00:51:35,773

episode and felt like, oh no, this is too

:

00:51:36,383 --> 00:51:36,673

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:36,793 --> 00:51:37,273

Laura: dicey.

:

00:51:37,273 --> 00:51:42,688

I just have to wait for Jafar to tell

me what's gonna happen if I really

:

00:51:42,973 --> 00:51:45,643

wanna go in as blind as possible.

:

00:51:46,318 --> 00:51:46,378

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:47,053 --> 00:51:47,503

Laura: So.

:

00:51:47,818 --> 00:51:49,348

Yeah, I'm excited.

:

00:51:49,348 --> 00:51:52,978

I hope we do get the band back together,

but it seems like nothing is ever as

:

00:51:52,978 --> 00:51:55,408

easy as, it seems like it's gonna be

:

00:51:55,678 --> 00:51:57,628

Xhafer: I mean, more people on cobol.

:

00:51:58,108 --> 00:52:00,598

is the, is the blood price paid?

:

00:52:01,048 --> 00:52:03,088

Does more people mean more blood?

:

00:52:03,628 --> 00:52:04,018

Laura: Right.

:

00:52:04,018 --> 00:52:04,588

Is it, Is

:

00:52:04,588 --> 00:52:05,158

it, a

:

00:52:05,818 --> 00:52:07,558

fixed cost or is it a, like a,

:

00:52:08,098 --> 00:52:08,638

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:08,848 --> 00:52:09,898

Laura: a volume cost?

:

00:52:09,898 --> 00:52:12,268

Like the more we put down here,

the more we're gonna have to

:

00:52:12,268 --> 00:52:12,418

bang.

:

00:52:13,078 --> 00:52:13,558

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:13,858 --> 00:52:14,338

You know.

:

00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:18,883

Well, we landed so we're good for a while

or, yeah, it's like, I don't know, they're

:

00:52:18,883 --> 00:52:23,893

not really descriptive about how it works

and uh, until we can figure out our blood

:

00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:26,443

ebitda, we need to chill the fuck out.

:

00:52:26,923 --> 00:52:28,273

Laura: Yeah, exactly.

:

00:52:29,591 --> 00:52:32,051

Xhafer: we'll be figuring

out out next week.

:

00:52:32,051 --> 00:52:35,681

Before we get there, we do have

to say a couple of thank yous.

:

00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:36,881

Thanks Jeremy Siegel.

:

00:52:37,458 --> 00:52:40,908

No, you are welcome for putting

together our theme music.

:

00:52:40,908 --> 00:52:44,658

You can find more of Jeremy's work

at jeremy sequel two.bandcamp.com

:

00:52:44,778 --> 00:52:47,298

and on streaming services

is nuclear Jaguar.

:

00:52:48,108 --> 00:52:50,718

Laura: And thanks to Angry Deck

time machine on Instagram for the

:

00:52:50,718 --> 00:52:52,188

wonderful podcast artwork.

:

00:52:52,433 --> 00:52:54,603

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this podcast.

:

00:52:54,833 --> 00:53:00,323

even when we give you a super, super

tight turnaround, really appreciate

:

00:53:00,413 --> 00:53:05,003

all your effort into making sure

that this podcast actually happens.

:

00:53:05,003 --> 00:53:05,243

Thank

:

00:53:05,288 --> 00:53:06,878

Laura: We sure do.

:

00:53:06,878 --> 00:53:08,858

And it was a great episode.

:

00:53:08,858 --> 00:53:09,368

I listened

:

00:53:09,368 --> 00:53:10,268

to it yesterday.

:

00:53:10,613 --> 00:53:10,973

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:11,033 --> 00:53:11,783

Was it a good one?

:

00:53:11,873 --> 00:53:13,763

It felt like a good

one when we recorded It

:

00:53:13,893 --> 00:53:14,313

Laura: mm-hmm.

:

00:53:15,233 --> 00:53:15,803

Xhafer: So good.

:

00:53:16,643 --> 00:53:19,043

Laura: And thanks listener

for being here with us.

:

00:53:19,073 --> 00:53:22,578

You know, if you wanna be here with us

even more, there's always the discord.

:

00:53:23,198 --> 00:53:24,188

Xhafer: join the Discord.

:

00:53:24,188 --> 00:53:26,108

The Discord is a blast.

:

00:53:26,288 --> 00:53:29,408

genuinely, I think I say this every

week, one of my favorite places on the

:

00:53:29,408 --> 00:53:32,378

internet really enjoy just hanging out and

talking to people in the discord quite a

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Laura: Truly, truly, I love when one of

our listeners pops up and says, by the

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way, I know a bunch about this thing

you were discussing in the episode.

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If you have any more questions.

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Big fan of that.

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Xhafer: 100%

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Laura: Yeah.

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I'm happy to be told I'm wrong if

you're an expert in the Discord.

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So

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come on in, I'll learn something.

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I appreciate you.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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feel free to tell me that I'm wrong

about radiation and nuclear physics.

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Don't tell me that I'm wrong,

about which way the inner core

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of Babylon five is facing.

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I don't

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I like to

learn stuff about real facts.

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Um, yeah.

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Xhafer: All right,

we'll see you next week.

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Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.