BSG S3E19 - Thiccc Episodes

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hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch casters by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jair

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we're here with season

three, episode 19, crossroads part one.

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And we have a little confession

before we get started, listener,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I'm just, we just, we

just gotta own it up front.

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If we don't own it up front, it's it.

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There might be conversations that happen

and it will sound weird and stuff.

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Um, we might talk about a thing

now and not talk about it.

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Last week or this week, or next week?

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We're recording

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Laura: you're gonna tell them

about time, about the timing.

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Why me?

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Xhafer: peek back the curtain a little.

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Um, we are recording this

before we record episode 18.

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the sun also rises that Hemingway novel.

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That one.

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Yeah.

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Before we record that one,

we're recording this one.

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Just the circumstance of timing and

getting Ryan and schedules lining up.

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This is what worked for us in order

to maintain our current bubble.

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We're building up a big runway here, so

it's January 25th is we're recording this.

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so, just know that like there's

some stuff that we might, you might

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be like, oh, well, they talked.

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Why didn't we talk about, we might

not talk about a couple of things

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because we might be expecting to talk

about it when we record episode 18.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: that could be a thing.

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And then we might not get to it and we

won't know until we're recording episode

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20, which we will record after this one.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: so, just know, like, sorry

if it's weird, if the, if our weird

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time jump thing makes it sound weird

because it's not in chronological

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order for us, but it is for you.

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So I don't know.

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Sorry

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Laura: Also, if we like mis referencing

any current events that might be relevant

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by the time you're hearing this, like,

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Xhafer: that we talked about

in the previous episode even.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: or like, oh, did we make a

really funny joke and say we're gonna

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reference something Last episode?

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Well, we haven't done that yet,

so you're waiting another week

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Ryan says he wants

to hear Laura's take on fing.

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Sorry.

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You'll get it next episode.

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Laura: I'll get it next time.

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You'll get it.

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Eventually it'll be all.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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There.

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Okay.

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We let 'em know.

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I don't feel bad anymore.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: particularly guilty, but

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Laura: I'm glad you got

that off your chest.

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Xhafer: it's a very chronological

show, especially these episodes.

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Laura: Especially right now.

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In the moment we're in.

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Yes.

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S

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Xhafer: Well, yeah.

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Like it's crazy right now.

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And the show is also very like, next

episode, next episode, next episode.

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I'm worried we're gonna sound a little

disjointed or it might impact the

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experience, or we won't say a thing.

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We should have said whatever.

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I don't fucking, you

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Laura: You know more about

it than me at this point.

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Like I'm just living a day at a time.

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Xhafer: Just wait until we

get to the preview for next

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episode, because I wrote my own.

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Laura: I didn't even, I, I didn't

even glance at the screen when the

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episode was over and it came up.

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I was just like, I was

like, Aaron, turn it off.

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Xhafer: I, I took a little bit of what

it said and then I just wrote my own.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and you're gonna have to

hear me say that preview and then

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not talk about it for two weeks.

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'cause of the recording order.

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I wanna say now the goal listener, we

haven't figured out the logistics of this,

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but, if you have seen the show before,

you have an idea about what happens in

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the next episode, which is a big one.

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I would say maybe the

biggest one of the show.

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Laura: Chafer, you're

making me so nervous.

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Xhafer: We're going to try and get it

recorded as close to Laura watching

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it for the first time as possible.

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We're gonna, we're gonna

try and time it so that.

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Watch notes record in very quick

order because I think getting a fresh

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reaction from you about that episode is

gonna make one for really good radio.

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Laura: Oh no.

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Xhafer: But two, there's a couple

of theories you've thrown around

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at certain points of the show.

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Some of that comes to fruition.

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You're gonna fi, you're gonna

find out some stuff, but we'll

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talk about that in two weeks.

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I gotta stop teasing that.

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'cause we still have crossroads

part one to talk about right now.

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Laura: Yeah, and there

is a lot to talk about.

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I think it took

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me

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Xhafer: a big episode.

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Laura: maybe.

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At least an hour and a half, maybe

two hours to get through it with all

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the stopping and note writing I did.

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Xhafer: I, I wanna say I spent about three

and a half hours doing notes today between

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the sun also rises and this episode.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Meaty stuff.

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Xhafer: They're both,

they're both thick episodes.

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Three C's.

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Laura: I gotta say this, and maybe I'm

gonna say it in the previous episode

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and if, sorry if I do say it twice,

listener, but you know, we discussed

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that the, some details of the Final

five in the last episode we recorded

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and you told me that all of the Final

five are somebody we've seen before.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: So my, my theory I had been

working in my head was like, well, if

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there's one we haven't seen, this is the

last chance we could introduce somebody.

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It could be Baltar's

lawyer, it could be one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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' Laura: cause he seems like he's gonna

be a big deal and I gotta say that.

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If you had to go down that route,

they got the perfect actor.

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Xhafer: Mark Shepherd's so good.

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Laura: Mark Shepherd is so good.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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he's so good.

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Roma Lampkin will probably talk about

this ne next episode for recording.

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But last episode for the listeners

while, and actually threw this in

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spoiler chat today, I found out

today that the character of Roma

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Lampkin holds a very distinct honor,

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Laura: oh yeah.

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Xhafer: they are, to my knowledge,

the only Reimagined series

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character who was later introduced

into original series Cannon.

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Laura: Huh?

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How does that work?

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Xhafer: So after the Reimagined

series had ended for the 30th or

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40th anniversary of the original,

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Laura: Uh.

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Xhafer: 30th, they did a comic

series that continued to show like

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Battle Star 1980 had never happened,

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Laura: Ah,

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Xhafer: and,

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Laura: a good choice, I hear.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: and in that they introduce

a quorum of 12 member Romo who

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looks exactly like Mark Shepherd.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: He's a little bit character.

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He's like in like three panels

or something, but it's a fun

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little distinction, you know?

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It's like that's a cool thing to be,

or the reimagined character who made it

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back into the original series Cannon,

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Laura: Yeah.

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That like, somebody was so

impressed they put you in here.

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I mean, how could you not be?

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I think that if, if I'd had to s sneak

in another silo, this would've been the

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way I would've done it with this guy.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Just amazing.

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But there's a lot, I'm sure we chewed

on with that in the last episode, so

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you wanna get into it?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Let's get into it.

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We open.

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On Rosalyn in the COBOL opera house,

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Laura: Oh, do, do we wanna

talk about the last time on?

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Xhafer: The last time on is mostly a

recap of President Gaas on New Caprica

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with a little bit of Ty and Ellen.

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Was there anything new in there?

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I don't remember.

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I, I think everything was there.

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Laura: I don't think we had any

sneaky stuff in this last time on.

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I think it was just like we needed

you to remember about SE that Deanna

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selected a bunch of people for

execution and what happened to Ellen,

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that Lampkin is gonna be a big deal.

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Lee has taken the job of defense.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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so we open on Roslyn in the COBOL

opera house chasing after her.

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We see Athena is also chasing after her.

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But a six gets to her before

either of them, and then Rosalyn

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wakes up in a cold sweat.

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Laura: You wanna know how

like slow a visual processor?

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I am.

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Sometimes, like this episode opens,

Rosalyn is wearing a very nice

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theater jacket and like, she's like,

she's going to the opera that night.

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Right.

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And so they have straightened her hair.

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Out completely.

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When every other time in the show we

have seen Wavy Rosalyn Locks and I

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had to pause and look really closely

to make sure that was Rosalyn.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: just straightening her

hair was enough for me to be

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like, wait, wait a second.

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Who is that?

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: it seems like when hair

is running around, she's running

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toward like going into the theater.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And sees the six and

she's just happy, like running

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around and giggling and runs

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into six's arms.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's not like, it doesn't seem

sinister that six is taking her.

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but it definitely has like an

overtone from all the other times.

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We've heard six talk about.

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Our baby with her and Gais or six PT

at least talk about this, that like, I

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don't know that six has great intentions

for the offspring of Athena and Hilo.

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I'm very worried about this.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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You should

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Laura: six pt.

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I don't know if it's six or six pt, but

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, hard to uh,

six PT maybe only exists for Gaas.

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So, and this is Rosalyn's dream, so.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what to make of it,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: back in the Opera house.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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GATA updates the dad mural.

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They only have a dozen or so more

jumps until they hit the nebula

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from the IA Jupiter two-parter

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: that they've been heading to.

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There are no cylons trailing behind

them, but we're gonna have a Raptor

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wait another six hours just in case.

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Laura: This is where we establish

the episode's ticking clock, which

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always makes me fucking nervous.

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Xhafer: should,

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Laura: anytime there's a ticking clock.

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Xhafer: anytime they're like,

oh, just hang out a little

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bit longer, just in case.

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Of course, something's

gonna fucking happen

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Laura: Yeah.

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Oh no.

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Xhafer: In reality, he probably

says this like every two days,

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Laura: Yeah,

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just a little longer.

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Just,

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Xhafer: us him saying it

when it's gonna be a thing.

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Laura: well, and we only know the

incremental contribution to this.

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He says they're gonna wait six more hours.

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How many hours are they

waiting originally?

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Is it like three hours

or is it like 24 hours?

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Like,

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Xhafer: it is six as

established by racetrack in the

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Laura: oh, she says so.

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Xhafer: She's all like, we're

here for 12 hours this time.

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So

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Laura: okay.

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I missed that part.

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I'm glad they gave it to us though.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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No theme, no survivor count this episode.

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Laura: Yeah

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we're gonna get that later.

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Xhafer: it's it's a long episode.

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So they just didn't do a theme.

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They do the, the credits in the bottom.

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Laura: Oh wait.

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They give us a survivor count,

but they give us a different

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survivor count later in the

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Xhafer: We'll talk about

that when we get there,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Because it's not wrong ish.

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It is different, but there's a reason.

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alright, so we're at Joe's Bar

and Ty is fucking with the radio.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: hears the faintest music and

Anders hears it for a second too.

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Anders is hanging out

with the pilot trainees.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Hanging out

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Laura: Yeah, he's got, he's got cix.

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They seem to be cozy.

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Xhafer: Did you catch what he was wearing?

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Laura: I didn't.

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Xhafer: Oh.

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Hmm.

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Huh.

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Laura: Do I need to go back and do that?

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Xhafer: I think they tell us next episode.

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But he's one he's referred to

as a nugget and he's wearing

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the same greens as celick.

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Laura: Oh, so he's gonna

be a pilot trainee too.

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Xhafer: That is where it

appears to be heading.

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Laura: Interesting.

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Okay.

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I kind of wondered why he wasn't

like doing something like more

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Xhafer: So I think they decided on this

and then they rewind it a little bit.

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Um, but there's more of it next episode,

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Because, you know, he's been

with the fleet now for a while

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and it, it makes sense like.

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On New Caprica, he was doing something

else, presumably, and then he was

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also resisting, like I presume he

had a day job and then resistance

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Xhafer: Well his day job was Pyramid.

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He's

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a

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: pro sportsman.

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Laura: No, I mean like on new caprica.

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Xhafer: Oh yeah.

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He probably did something on new

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Laura: Like something that

covered the fact that he was also

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resisting the whole time or you

know, once the silent showed up.

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But it just seems really like pro

sportsmen would be very useful in

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a military setting and that like

they know collaboration very well

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and have some strategery abilities.

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And then also like if you

need a good face for stuff,

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Xhafer: well, I

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Laura: got it.

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Xhafer: he's led troops.

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He's led the Gorilla

resistance on OG Caprica.

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He fought in the

resistance on New Caprica.

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We saw him lead dudes after Lee

made him and like organized a little

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civil civilian militia and stuff.

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Why he would be a pilot

as opposed to a Marine.

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I don't know.

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Except for the fact that then we don't

have to hire a new cast of Marines and

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we can just have him do the thing with

the pilots that we're already paying.

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Laura: Yeah, I, I don't know, but I,

I'm just saying, I, it seems kind of

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almost now that I'm, we're thinking about

it, we're actually thinking about it.

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Like, why, why didn't he join one

of the military operations earlier?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, and now he gets the whole

carry the torch for star bes thing.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I guess like missing, missing star

bes and trying to fulfill her duties,

340

: 00:15:22

perhaps.

341

: 00:15:23

Hmm.

342

: 00:15:25

Maybe he wants to be

Daddy Adama's new son.

343

: 00:15:28

Xhafer: Maybe

344

: 00:15:31

over on Colonial one, Tori is pressing

the attorney General, I'm guessing

345

: 00:15:38

Laura: The lead prosecutor

is how I called her.

346

: 00:15:40

Xhafer: for sure.

347

: 00:15:41

To add some charges to Baltar because the

president thinks they should be there.

348

: 00:15:46

Laura: Yeah.

349

: 00:15:47

Xhafer: president believes that he's

guilty of genocide, so we want you to

350

: 00:15:50

add genocide to the list of charges.

351

: 00:15:52

Laura: Mm-hmm.

352

: 00:15:53

And it's rough because like we, the

audience know that like Yeah, he was

353

: 00:15:58

kind of a big accomplice to a genocide.

354

: 00:16:01

Xhafer: Yeah.

355

: 00:16:02

But, but we know that they,

no one else knows that.

356

: 00:16:05

Even Roslyn doesn't know that she dreamed

357

: 00:16:08

Laura: Yeah.

358

: 00:16:09

Even Rosalyn has got a really

tenuous connection to that

359

: 00:16:14

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

360

: 00:16:15

Laura: and it's like, but we

know it's true, but that's not

361

: 00:16:20

a legal basis for anything.

362

: 00:16:23

And uh, this prosecutor's

like, yeah, I'm gonna charge

363

: 00:16:25

him with what will stick, not.

364

: 00:16:29

Xhafer: What I have

365

: 00:16:30

Laura: the president wants.

366

: 00:16:31

Xhafer: Yeah.

367

: 00:16:32

Laura: Yeah.

368

: 00:16:33

Really weird scene next.

369

: 00:16:35

That made me wicked uncomfortable.

370

: 00:16:38

Xhafer: yeah.

371

: 00:16:39

Yeah.

372

: 00:16:39

A member of the press goes to visit

Gaas, but instead of questioning, ask

373

: 00:16:43

for a blessing for her child who is sick.

374

: 00:16:47

Hm.

375

: 00:16:49

Laura: that's so weird.

376

: 00:16:51

Xhafer: Yeah.

377

: 00:16:52

Huh.

378

: 00:16:53

It's uh, weird, huh?

379

: 00:16:56

Laura: I don't like it.

380

: 00:16:57

I and Gais and six PT have a

little talk about this and, and

381

: 00:17:04

it does six PT start while he's

trying to get this lady to go away.

382

: 00:17:07

I think she's in the background.

383

: 00:17:10

Xhafer: She's like, right.

384

: 00:17:11

She doesn't speak until this lady's gone

385

: 00:17:13

Laura: Mm-hmm.

386

: 00:17:14

' Xhafer: cause he asks her like,

how many this is, and she's

387

: 00:17:17

like, this is the fifth one.

388

: 00:17:19

Plus 30 or 40 letters have been written.

389

: 00:17:23

Laura: Yeah.

390

: 00:17:23

And he's at least, he's like not

sniffing his own butt so hard that

391

: 00:17:30

he like entertains this lady and

392

: 00:17:32

Xhafer: Yeah.

393

: 00:17:34

Laura: like, recognizes that like

this is mental illness maybe that

394

: 00:17:41

she thinks that he can intercede

for with the gods or something that

395

: 00:17:46

he can do something for her son.

396

: 00:17:48

but six PTs like, no, this

is, this is great for you.

397

: 00:17:52

This is big.

398

: 00:17:55

I don't like it.

399

: 00:17:57

She, she was, she says It's great to

be a martyr though, 'cause you'll get

400

: 00:17:59

to live forever in people's memory.

401

: 00:18:02

Xhafer: Yeah.

402

: 00:18:03

Even if they kill you, your

name will live on forever.

403

: 00:18:09

Laura: Weird, weird.

404

: 00:18:11

Xhafer: We see race track and skulls

have that silent lookout duty we were

405

: 00:18:15

informed about as the trial begins and

the prosecution open statement, does

406

: 00:18:23

the math be still my beating heart?

407

: 00:18:30

Laura: I mean, I'm, I like it, I like

this question, but accountants are

408

: 00:18:34

all about how do we measure whatever.

409

: 00:18:36

So I don't know if that's just like

hitting a very specific audience

410

: 00:18:43

or if this is really a well-crafted

'cause it feels like this

411

: 00:18:48

prosecutor is not as flashy as Mr.

412

: 00:18:51

Lambkin.

413

: 00:18:52

So it feels like this is supposed

to be, she is well prepared,

414

: 00:18:58

she's prepared this, but she's

just not as showy as the defense.

415

: 00:19:05

Xhafer: Yeah.

416

: 00:19:06

Laura: I like the math

and let's talk about it.

417

: 00:19:09

Xhafer: Yeah.

418

: 00:19:09

I didn't write any of the numbers down.

419

: 00:19:11

Laura: I did if you want 'em.

420

: 00:19:13

Xhafer: Nah, I mean, they're different

than our survivor counts, but they're

421

: 00:19:17

not because she's referring to the

civilian population the entire time.

422

: 00:19:22

Laura: That's what I thought, because

she said specifically She said

423

: 00:19:26

44,035 people settled on new Caprica.

424

: 00:19:30

So I was like, okay.

425

: 00:19:31

So the people who are on Galactica

426

: 00:19:34

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

427

: 00:19:35

Laura: and the people who presumably

stayed up in their other ships

428

: 00:19:40

shouldn't be in that number,

429

: 00:19:42

Xhafer: Correct.

430

: 00:19:43

And our survivor count for

last episode was 41,399.

431

: 00:19:48

Laura: huh.

432

: 00:19:49

Xhafer: And you said the,

the current population of the

433

: 00:19:52

fleet is 39,000 something.

434

: 00:19:54

She says,

435

: 00:19:56

it, it is about the IT 2,500.

436

: 00:19:59

We expect the military population to be

from earlier counts because we did this

437

: 00:20:05

math back when they originally got off new

caprica because we got some numbers about

438

: 00:20:10

the new caprica population and then we

got this new survivor count and it seemed

439

: 00:20:16

like things were up, but they were down.

440

: 00:20:18

So we had to talk.

441

: 00:20:19

We talked about it then.

442

: 00:20:21

Laura: Mm-hmm.

443

: 00:20:22

Xhafer: And this aligns with that.

444

: 00:20:25

Really well.

445

: 00:20:27

Um, there's a couple ups and

downs, like number of babies

446

: 00:20:31

born on new caprica and stuff.

447

: 00:20:33

There's a handful of things to take

into account that aren't, but by only

448

: 00:20:37

talking about the civilian population

and not the military population, a lot

449

: 00:20:42

of the deaths that we see, like week to

week, our military population deaths.

450

: 00:20:47

Laura: Yeah.

451

: 00:20:48

Yeah.

452

: 00:20:48

As is to be expected in this situation.

453

: 00:20:51

Sure.

454

: 00:20:52

Xhafer: so it lines up well enough

with the numbers we expect the

455

: 00:20:57

military to have without having

specifics on the differences,

456

: 00:21:03

Laura: Yeah.

457

: 00:21:04

Yeah.

458

: 00:21:04

And she specifically told us that 5,197

people died under Baltar's presidency.

459

: 00:21:11

So I think it's probably

a pretty safe assumption.

460

: 00:21:14

Those were all the civilians that

either got executed in detention

461

: 00:21:20

or as a consequence of the.

462

: 00:21:26

Decision to be on New Caprica or

didn't come back from New Caprica

463

: 00:21:31

because we couldn't get everyone out.

464

: 00:21:34

Xhafer: Yep.

465

: 00:21:35

But she makes this clear.

466

: 00:21:37

Baltar is a murderer and deserves to die

for being a traitor to humanity at large.

467

: 00:21:47

There's no punching around that.

468

: 00:21:49

Laura: Mm-hmm.

469

: 00:21:50

Xhafer: Lambkin gets up for his

opening statements and agrees changes

470

: 00:21:54

the plea from innocent to guilty.

471

: 00:21:56

And fuck it, let's just kill him

now, because if it's gonna be mob

472

: 00:22:00

justice, there's no need for a trial.

473

: 00:22:03

Laura: Yeah.

474

: 00:22:04

Xhafer: This flashy son of a bitch,

475

: 00:22:07

Laura: He really is.

476

: 00:22:09

I mean, we got hints of this in the

previous episode, what he was gonna be

477

: 00:22:14

like, and my understanding is that he was

a public defender basically on New capa.

478

: 00:22:23

Wow.

479

: 00:22:24

Xhafer: That's what, that's

what Grand Papa dama did.

480

: 00:22:27

Laura: It's interesting 'cause

I have a couple friends who've

481

: 00:22:30

done public defense duty.

482

: 00:22:33

One of them did have a fairly

publicized trial that she had to do.

483

: 00:22:39

but you generally, when you think of

public defense, you think of like,

484

: 00:22:44

let's just try to get you outta here

with as little things as possible.

485

: 00:22:48

And not a lot of grandstanding

necessarily in that more just

486

: 00:22:52

like quick and quiet bargaining.

487

: 00:22:55

Xhafer: Yeah.

488

: 00:22:56

Laura: So wasn't quite expecting this

person from public defense, I guess.

489

: 00:23:00

Xhafer: Well, I mean,

he's a, he's a character.

490

: 00:23:04

Laura: Yeah.

491

: 00:23:06

Truly.

492

: 00:23:07

Xhafer: Lampkin goes on, this

is political persecution.

493

: 00:23:10

This is just the president abusing their

office to go after their enemies because

494

: 00:23:14

she's a sore loser over the election.

495

: 00:23:20

Laura: And we, the audience

know, like gaas is fucking

496

: 00:23:23

dangerous and it's not that but

497

: 00:23:29

not everyone in this room knows that.

498

: 00:23:31

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

499

: 00:23:33

But

500

: 00:23:34

Laura: So

501

: 00:23:35

no

502

: 00:23:35

Xhafer: owe gaas their lives

because Rosalyn would've just had

503

: 00:23:39

humanity go extinct rather than try

and compromise with the silence.

504

: 00:23:44

And that was a fight.

505

: 00:23:45

They were never gonna win.

506

: 00:23:46

I.

507

: 00:23:47

Laura: There's a, hmm.

508

: 00:23:48

This is a logical fallacy and this

is where I kind of wish I had taken

509

: 00:23:52

logic because we don't have the

counterfactual earth where Rosalyn

510

: 00:23:58

actually was in the position and

actually had to make those decisions.

511

: 00:24:01

Xhafer: Yeah.

512

: 00:24:02

Laura: 'cause you, you're saying this

thing, but we, nobody knows this thing.

513

: 00:24:08

Xhafer: Yeah.

514

: 00:24:08

But you can't prove him wrong

515

: 00:24:11

Laura: Right.

516

: 00:24:11

Xhafer: because nobody knows the thing.

517

: 00:24:13

Yeah.

518

: 00:24:14

This is this is a fucking, a

political argument, technique

519

: 00:24:19

that is used constantly.

520

: 00:24:21

That fucking drives me crazy.

521

: 00:24:23

'cause

522

: 00:24:23

Laura: And it's a logical fallacy.

523

: 00:24:24

I'm pretty sure.

524

: 00:24:25

Hey, if you listener, if you w

know your logical fallacies and you

525

: 00:24:29

know exactly what this is, pop in

the discord and freaking tell me

526

: 00:24:33

'cause it's gonna bug bug me a lot.

527

: 00:24:35

Xhafer: Is it the Straumann

who doesn't exist?

528

: 00:24:38

Is that the logical fallacy?

529

: 00:24:40

Laura: maybe, maybe.

530

: 00:24:43

I saw this really cool set of memes

once and I saved it somewhere, but I

531

: 00:24:47

don't know where, so it's useless to me.

532

: 00:24:49

That was like referees, listing

the logical fallacies so you could

533

: 00:24:54

throw them at comments, but I'm not

online enough to actually do that.

534

: 00:25:00

Xhafer: five bay ships jump in

as our trailing raptor hangs out.

535

: 00:25:05

They get out just in time.

536

: 00:25:08

Laura: The missile is like this close.

537

: 00:25:10

You guys

538

: 00:25:11

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

539

: 00:25:12

Like

540

: 00:25:12

that missiles tickle in that, that raptor.

541

: 00:25:15

Laura: Yeah.

542

: 00:25:16

I have a question about this

'cause it wasn't clear to me,

543

: 00:25:20

or maybe I missed something.

544

: 00:25:22

Did they make it back?

545

: 00:25:24

Did did we actually hear from them?

546

: 00:25:26

Okay.

547

: 00:25:27

Xhafer: Yeah.

548

: 00:25:27

They make it back.

549

: 00:25:29

Laura: Okay.

550

: 00:25:29

Because I was like, I feel

like people should, should be

551

: 00:25:34

more worried than they are.

552

: 00:25:37

Xhafer: Nah, they don't

kill racetrack like that.

553

: 00:25:39

Laura: No.

554

: 00:25:40

Okay.

555

: 00:25:41

Yeah.

556

: 00:25:41

Not offscreen, death for racetrack.

557

: 00:25:43

Okay.

558

: 00:25:45

Xhafer: no

559

: 00:25:45

Laura: the fact that, that they.

560

: 00:25:48

got found, I guess doesn't

seem as concerning to everyone

561

: 00:25:53

yet as I think it should.

562

: 00:25:56

Xhafer: Well, they're way behind.

563

: 00:25:58

This isn't like a 33 situation.

564

: 00:26:01

Laura: Yeah.

565

: 00:26:02

Okay.

566

: 00:26:03

So they don't know how many jumps

are in between this raptor and

567

: 00:26:07

where the fleet actually is.

568

: 00:26:09

Xhafer: yeah.

569

: 00:26:09

They're doing several a day.

570

: 00:26:11

They say they're like three, or they're

like three or four days out right now from

571

: 00:26:15

the Buler, and it's 12 jumps, so they're

already jumping every couple of hours.

572

: 00:26:20

Laura: Mm-hmm.

573

: 00:26:22

Xhafer: So.

574

: 00:26:23

Laura: Okay.

575

: 00:26:24

I'm a lot more worried about this

'cause I know how narrative drama works.

576

: 00:26:28

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

577

: 00:26:30

As you should.

578

: 00:26:32

Laura: Mm-hmm.

579

: 00:26:32

Mm-hmm.

580

: 00:26:33

Xhafer: we are in CIC where Adama suggests

searching the ships for silent signals.

581

: 00:26:41

And hey, maybe Caprica six

will help them to save hero.

582

: 00:26:45

Just, just fucking ask Ty.

583

: 00:26:47

Laura: Yeah.

584

: 00:26:48

Xhafer: Rosalyn

585

: 00:26:49

Laura: Rosalyn's idea.

586

: 00:26:50

Adama seems a little bit dubious

as well, but he does say Ty

587

: 00:26:55

like, Hey, go, go talk to her.

588

: 00:26:57

Go ask.

589

: 00:26:58

Xhafer: Yeah.

590

: 00:26:59

Laura: And then we get an

interesting moment as Lee is

591

: 00:27:03

standing around this table with them.

592

: 00:27:05

'cause he is still CAG

593

: 00:27:06

Xhafer: Yeah.

594

: 00:27:08

Laura: that he kind of

sniffs Rosalyn's tea.

595

: 00:27:12

Xhafer: He smells something.

596

: 00:27:13

He's like, that's weird.

597

: 00:27:15

Smells her tea.

598

: 00:27:16

Yep.

599

: 00:27:17

That'll come back later.

600

: 00:27:19

Laura: So We sent Ty down to deal with the

six, which is just like not a good idea.

601

: 00:27:26

Xhafer: Of the people descent.

602

: 00:27:28

Laura: Yeah.

603

: 00:27:29

Maybe they should have sent Athena.

604

: 00:27:31

Xhafer: Yeah.

605

: 00:27:32

Laura: I mean, Athena would

be salient enough to remind

606

: 00:27:35

her that, like, remember Hara.

607

: 00:27:39

and six tells Ty that in their last

encounter before she left the Cy ship,

608

: 00:27:47

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

609

: 00:27:48

Laura: They discovered that the

fuel ship, the Tillium refiner

610

: 00:27:51

has a unique signature and they've

probably found a way to track that.

611

: 00:27:56

Xhafer: Something's going on

with that Tillium refiner.

612

: 00:27:59

Laura: I don't know that this is true.

613

: 00:28:04

Xhafer: Well, it's

confirmed in this episode.

614

: 00:28:06

Laura: Well, there is a unique signature.

615

: 00:28:09

Sure.

616

: 00:28:10

Xhafer: Oh, okay.

617

: 00:28:11

Laura: But I don't know that that's

how the cys are tracking them.

618

: 00:28:17

Xhafer: Okay.

619

: 00:28:18

What do you think's

620

: 00:28:19

Laura: I wondered, I told

Erin, I was like, what if the

621

: 00:28:24

silences are tracking them?

622

: 00:28:25

'cause we know they're still,

they're still life silence.

623

: 00:28:28

And we've met them.

624

: 00:28:29

So they're in the fleet.

625

: 00:28:30

Right.

626

: 00:28:31

So one of them has some thing

that they're doing, whether

627

: 00:28:35

that's conscious or unconscious,

that is helping them be tracked.

628

: 00:28:40

And six is telling them about

the signature to slow them down.

629

: 00:28:50

I am not sure what that face is.

630

: 00:28:52

Xhafer: Aaron play the maybe Trump.

631

: 00:28:59

Laura: Yeah.

632

: 00:29:00

I don't know.

633

: 00:29:00

I was like.

634

: 00:29:01

I just, I just got a

bad feeling about that.

635

: 00:29:04

Um, but hey, Raus is back.

636

: 00:29:07

Xhafer: Yeah.

637

: 00:29:08

Crock is hanging out.

638

: 00:29:10

He's all like, he's just

taking his pain out on you.

639

: 00:29:14

Don't be intimidated.

640

: 00:29:16

Laura: Yeah.

641

: 00:29:16

And then she gets real shitty with him

642

: 00:29:18

using AKA's information.

643

: 00:29:20

Xhafer: yeah, she taunts

Saul into punching her and

644

: 00:29:24

she punches him right back.

645

: 00:29:27

And then I wrote down, oh si.

646

: 00:29:30

Because I was trying to say so high

and it just became sigh in my notes.

647

: 00:29:35

And that's, that's it.

648

: 00:29:38

Laura: Yeah.

649

: 00:29:39

Xhafer: can send that one home

because that's how I feel about

650

: 00:29:41

this, this scene in general and also.

651

: 00:29:44

Soul tie at the moment.

652

: 00:29:47

Laura: Yeah.

653

: 00:29:48

He's clearly not actually, he, he put

those feelings in a box and he put the

654

: 00:29:53

box away, but he has not resolved any of

those feelings about Ellen because she.

655

: 00:29:59

Had a series of buttons that

Rockus is telling her to

656

: 00:30:03

push, and it worked perfectly.

657

: 00:30:08

So way to go, Ty.

658

: 00:30:11

Xhafer: Yep.

659

: 00:30:12

Speaking of Ty over at the trial, he is

on the stand drunk as fuck, and Lambkin

660

: 00:30:18

just fucking tears him apart.

661

: 00:30:22

Laura: Yeah, it's, it's interesting,

like we, we find out that Lambkin

662

: 00:30:27

knows nothing about this whole thing,

basically because Ty makes the mistake

663

: 00:30:32

of when the prosecutor is questioning

him, mentioning his wife, because he's

664

: 00:30:36

drunk and an idiot, and Lambkin sees

his opening and quickly asks Baltar

665

: 00:30:43

and Lee, Hey, what's up with that?

666

: 00:30:46

what happened to her?

667

: 00:30:47

And Balter is like, I don't know.

668

: 00:30:48

I know she was working for one of

the cys and Lee's like, I don't

669

: 00:30:52

know, we just presumed she died

in the Escape in the Exodus.

670

: 00:30:57

And he's like, well, I'm

just gonna fucking ask him.

671

: 00:31:01

Xhafer: Yep.

672

: 00:31:01

Laura: I'm just gonna keep

asking this drunk motherfucker

673

: 00:31:04

until he says something.

674

: 00:31:07

Xhafer: And he confesses to killing Ellen

and blames Baltar for making him do it.

675

: 00:31:13

Laura: Yeah

676

: 00:31:15

Xhafer: he keeps ranting.

677

: 00:31:16

He hears the song a couple of

times from the radio and it's

678

: 00:31:21

ranting, and everyone's all like,

what the fuck is he talking about?

679

: 00:31:24

Laura: this is not good.

680

: 00:31:26

Yeah.

681

: 00:31:27

Okay.

682

: 00:31:28

We gotta talk about

this song for a second.

683

: 00:31:30

Do you wanna do it now?

684

: 00:31:31

You wanna do it later?

685

: 00:31:32

Xhafer: We can do it now.

686

: 00:31:33

Laura: I'm kind of

worried about this song.

687

: 00:31:35

Xhafer: Yeah,

688

: 00:31:37

Laura: I was like, huh.

689

: 00:31:39

I gave Aaron a couple of theories.

690

: 00:31:41

Do you wanna hear 'em?

691

: 00:31:42

Xhafer: yeah, I do.

692

: 00:31:43

Laura: You want 'em now

or you want 'em later?

693

: 00:31:44

Xhafer: Oh, I want 'em now.

694

: 00:31:46

Laura: Okay.

695

: 00:31:47

We see Ty is messing with

this radio first in the bar,

696

: 00:31:52

Xhafer: Yeah.

697

: 00:31:53

Laura: and it's not clear if he's

trying to make the song happen or not.

698

: 00:31:57

He's just messing with the radio.

699

: 00:31:58

But Anders is like, oh, you almost had it.

700

: 00:32:01

You almost had it.

701

: 00:32:03

And Cix is like, what

are you talking about?

702

: 00:32:05

And he's like, there's a song.

703

: 00:32:06

He, he almost had it just go back

a little and Cel is like, whatever,

704

: 00:32:10

I'm gonna go play some more ski ball.

705

: 00:32:13

And now Ty is hearing it a lot and I

think it seems like Tori hears it as well.

706

: 00:32:24

And if we are going with my

Anders as a asylum theory.

707

: 00:32:30

Xhafer: We're expounding on that.

708

: 00:32:32

Okay.

709

: 00:32:33

Laura: if we're expounding on that,

710

: 00:32:38

that would mean I got some

of the silences wrong.

711

: 00:32:42

If, if only silence can hear this song.

712

: 00:32:45

Xhafer: Okay?

713

: 00:32:46

Laura: it could be, I was like, okay.

714

: 00:32:48

The, there's a couple other

things that are happening, right?

715

: 00:32:52

We, we've got ty like disintegrating.

716

: 00:32:55

We're gonna get into like,

Tori's kind of losing her edge.

717

: 00:32:59

We don't know

718

: 00:33:00

anything about

719

: 00:33:00

Xhafer: she looks real fucking

tired at the end of this episode.

720

: 00:33:02

Laura: Yeah.

721

: 00:33:03

Andrew seems fine though.

722

: 00:33:04

He seems fine.

723

: 00:33:05

Like I mean, is it just a

side effect of being a mbo?

724

: 00:33:09

We're just fine.

725

: 00:33:11

Xhafer: He's just fine.

726

: 00:33:12

Laura: Yeah.

727

: 00:33:13

I don't

728

: 00:33:14

Xhafer: I mean, he, he had

a broken leg last episode.

729

: 00:33:18

Laura: That's true, but I mean,

730

: 00:33:21

it.

731

: 00:33:21

Xhafer: about that.

732

: 00:33:22

Real quick.

733

: 00:33:23

Laura: But he's, he's not deteriorating

in the way that these other two seem

734

: 00:33:26

to be like, sort of deteriorating.

735

: 00:33:28

Xhafer: melting.

736

: 00:33:29

Yeah.

737

: 00:33:29

Laura: Yeah.

738

: 00:33:30

Xhafer: It's bad.

739

: 00:33:32

Laura: it's like, man, if, if this is,

if this music is some sort of signal

740

: 00:33:36

that we've got silent things going on,

and the music is trying to tell me that,

741

: 00:33:42

yes, you are right about Anders, you were

wrong about Tori, and if Ty is asylum,

742

: 00:33:49

I, I don't know how I feel about that.

743

: 00:33:52

I feel like that might not be one of

the most interesting choices in my head,

744

: 00:33:57

Xhafer: okay.

745

: 00:33:58

I'm here.

746

: 00:33:59

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that

747

: 00:34:01

Laura: but

748

: 00:34:03

Xhafer: it would appear like

all, everything consistent

749

: 00:34:08

that we know about Right.

750

: 00:34:10

Tying a damico way back,

751

: 00:34:12

Laura: Yeah.

752

: 00:34:12

Mm-hmm.

753

: 00:34:13

Xhafer: so that would, that's fucky right?

754

: 00:34:17

Laura: Yeah.

755

: 00:34:18

So either you have a, a silent

model that's actually been around

756

: 00:34:22

an extremely long time, or you took

a real person and replaced him.

757

: 00:34:28

Xhafer: Okay.

758

: 00:34:29

Laura: But the silos also

don't really understand love.

759

: 00:34:33

And I was like, boy, if there's a

relationship that has problems with

760

: 00:34:39

love so, and Ellen Tai might be it.

761

: 00:34:46

Like, what a, what a toxic combo.

762

: 00:34:49

So, I don't know.

763

: 00:34:52

But I was like, maybe there's just another

reason he can hear it like something else.

764

: 00:35:00

And.

765

: 00:35:01

It's driving him mad, or maybe it has

nothing to do with silent activation or

766

: 00:35:07

something

767

: 00:35:07

Xhafer: mean, your whole silent

thing right now is hinging solely

768

: 00:35:13

on you believe Anders to be a

silent That's the basis of this.

769

: 00:35:17

I just wanna, I just wanna

make sure that's the foundation

770

: 00:35:20

that we're building upon here.

771

: 00:35:22

Right?

772

: 00:35:23

Okay.

773

: 00:35:24

Laura: Yeah, it's, we're building on

the Anders Foundation, the fact that

774

: 00:35:28

he detected this song, the fact that

the song seems important and other

775

: 00:35:33

humans have not acknowledged it.

776

: 00:35:36

Um, that's kind of the foundation

of the theory, but it could

777

: 00:35:39

be all built upon sand.

778

: 00:35:43

It could be nothing there.

779

: 00:35:45

So I don't know.

780

: 00:35:47

I have a feeling I'll find out

something in the next episode,

781

: 00:35:50

which I can't watch for a while.

782

: 00:35:52

Xhafer: Yeah.

783

: 00:35:54

So,

784

: 00:35:55

Laura: Ugh.

785

: 00:35:57

Okay, so Ty is hearing

stuff falling apart?

786

: 00:36:02

Yeah.

787

: 00:36:03

And this is not a good like, opening

witness if he's the first witness.

788

: 00:36:07

Uh, Oh.

789

: 00:36:08

Xhafer: it's not good.

790

: 00:36:10

And the follow-up witness is also not

great because on the stand we get Rosalyn

791

: 00:36:15

Laura: oh, we have the bar

scene with Tori in between.

792

: 00:36:18

Xhafer: Oh, yeah, yeah.

793

: 00:36:19

Laura: It was sooner than I thought.

794

: 00:36:20

Okay, so

795

: 00:36:22

Xhafer: I just assumed that

that was talking about that.

796

: 00:36:24

Laura: sorry.

797

: 00:36:25

Let's describe what actually happens.

798

: 00:36:27

'cause it, it, I do note that Tori is

getting a drink and she's like really

799

: 00:36:34

watching Anders for some reason.

800

: 00:36:36

Xhafer: Yeah,

801

: 00:36:37

Laura: And then the music is happening.

802

: 00:36:40

And I, I don't know, Tori, Tori doesn't

know what she wants to drink, so

803

: 00:36:44

does she really know why she's there?

804

: 00:36:46

Like she's,

805

: 00:36:49

Xhafer: she's having a

rough go of it clearly.

806

: 00:36:51

Laura: a rough go of it.

807

: 00:36:53

Xhafer: So I mean, it could just be

like, you want a little night cap, maybe

808

: 00:36:57

a little something to help you sleep,

but, but a little bit of Buffalo trace.

809

: 00:37:01

That was in my CBDT.

810

: 00:37:02

I just finished, you know,

811

: 00:37:04

Laura: Yeah.

812

: 00:37:05

I,

813

: 00:37:06

Xhafer: you know, like half a shot, just

a little bit thin, the blood a little.

814

: 00:37:10

Laura: I, I, I can't tell if all of this

drinking everyone is doing is because

815

: 00:37:17

we're under a lot of stress or something,

like we're silos who are falling apart,

816

: 00:37:22

like we're losing our ability to cover

for ourselves or something is cracking.

817

: 00:37:28

And like if we had, if we were all.

818

: 00:37:32

Sleeper agents, like something's starting

to crack and so we're drinking conflicts

819

: 00:37:38

in our programming are coming up.

820

: 00:37:40

I don't know.

821

: 00:37:41

Xhafer: I mean, it's a lot

of conjecture right now,

822

: 00:37:44

Laura: Yep.

823

: 00:37:46

Xhafer: which I mean makes for

interesting radio, if nothing else.

824

: 00:37:50

Laura: I'm looking for

patterns with my brain,

825

: 00:37:54

Xhafer: Pattern seeking

brain-like pattern,

826

: 00:37:57

Laura: like pattern.

827

: 00:37:58

Must have

828

: 00:38:00

Xhafer: oh god.

829

: 00:38:02

Yeah, I mean, I get that

830

: 00:38:05

Laura: It'll be that there's no

patterns and there's no order in the

831

: 00:38:07

universe and it's all just chaos.

832

: 00:38:10

Xhafer: maybe.

833

: 00:38:11

I mean, that would be a theme of the show.

834

: 00:38:13

Like if that, if, if it wanted to do

that, that could be a theme of this show.

835

: 00:38:19

Laura: Yep.

836

: 00:38:19

Xhafer: But I don't know, for a show

where they have all of this has happened

837

: 00:38:23

before and all of it will happen again.

838

: 00:38:26

Set a bunch.

839

: 00:38:28

Maybe they like their patterns.

840

: 00:38:30

Laura: Maybe we like patterns.

841

: 00:38:33

Xhafer: Ron

842

: 00:38:33

Laura: I won't know.

843

: 00:38:34

Xhafer: a patterns guy.

844

: 00:38:36

Laura: I won't know for a while.

845

: 00:38:38

It's okay.

846

: 00:38:39

Xhafer: so we get Roslyn

on the stand next.

847

: 00:38:42

She tells everyone about the death order.

848

: 00:38:44

That guy is signed in Louise's quarters.

849

: 00:38:48

Romo and Baltar are talking

about ways to discredit Rosalyn

850

: 00:38:53

and Lee like sits on his hands.

851

: 00:38:56

Right.

852

: 00:38:58

Like we know he's suspecting

Roly and his back on Kamala, and

853

: 00:39:03

honestly, Kamala would've saved

us from this whole mess with the

854

: 00:39:06

president's enemies on trial thing.

855

: 00:39:08

Anyways,

856

: 00:39:09

Laura: Mm-hmm.

857

: 00:39:10

Yeah.

858

: 00:39:11

Xhafer: that was a, that

was a modern politics joke.

859

: 00:39:14

That was a,

860

: 00:39:14

Laura: Yeah, I really like the

way these like dovetail together.

861

: 00:39:18

I think they're really be beautiful.

862

: 00:39:19

I mean, I don't like it because like,

863

: 00:39:23

I would like to not be

in this timeline, but

864

: 00:39:26

Xhafer: Oof.

865

: 00:39:26

Yeah.

866

: 00:39:27

Laura: I would like to be

in the counterfactual earth.

867

: 00:39:29

Please.

868

: 00:39:33

Yeah, no Lambkin to borrow a term from

Terry prt really breaks out the old ology

869

: 00:39:42

on Lee and, says uh, you, you, the way

you're fucking sitting over there, I can

870

: 00:39:50

tell, you know, something I fucking need.

871

: 00:39:53

And Gaas is a petulant child about this.

872

: 00:39:56

'cause the, when Lambkin calls it

out, GAAS can see it too, and just

873

: 00:40:00

starts like screaming at Lee, which.

874

: 00:40:04

Would never work.

875

: 00:40:05

But Lambkin figured out Lee's buttons,

876

: 00:40:09

Xhafer: Yeah.

877

: 00:40:10

Laura: so he is like, we can

really uh, stick it to your dad.

878

: 00:40:14

And also, you know, you believe in the

system and the system relies on this sort

879

: 00:40:20

of thing, so you should really tell me

880

: 00:40:24

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

881

: 00:40:25

Laura: what it is.

882

: 00:40:26

And yeah.

883

: 00:40:27

Lee gets trapped in the hydrology logic.

884

: 00:40:30

Xhafer: Yeah.

885

: 00:40:31

He doesn't say it, but he's

thinking it really loudly.

886

: 00:40:35

Laura: Yeah.

887

: 00:40:35

Yeah.

888

: 00:40:36

We're not gonna get it just yet, but,

889

: 00:40:37

Xhafer: yeah.

890

: 00:40:38

Laura: Well, we get a DMA taking Ty home

and Ty is even more drunk, I think like.

891

: 00:40:46

It kind of seems like, 'cause Adama

doesn't seem totally sober either.

892

: 00:40:52

Xhafer: Yeah.

893

: 00:40:53

Laura: Like they, the trial ended

and they both went to the bar.

894

: 00:40:59

Xhafer: I, I mean, I think they

went to Bill's quarters, but yeah.

895

: 00:41:03

Laura: Yeah.

896

: 00:41:03

Okay.

897

: 00:41:03

Yeah, you're probably right.

898

: 00:41:06

Xhafer: Is there a

deleted scene on this guy?

899

: 00:41:08

I think I checked already.

900

: 00:41:09

There wasn't one,

901

: 00:41:11

Laura: okay,

902

: 00:41:11

Xhafer: at least not one that had a

noteworthy entry, like last episode did.

903

: 00:41:16

Laura: yeah, It seemed like they are both

drunk now and Adama's like doing the thing

904

: 00:41:23

where he is like taking off Ty's boots so

he doesn't mess up his bed and whatever.

905

: 00:41:29

And he is telling him like, Hey, we've,

we found that signature that the six

906

: 00:41:32

was talking about, and we're nine jumps

away, but we're gonna have to fix this.

907

: 00:41:38

So that'll take us three days.

908

: 00:41:40

Xhafer: Yeah,

909

: 00:41:41

Laura: The clock is ticking

and it's making me anxious

910

: 00:41:45

Xhafer: it should.

911

: 00:41:45

A hundred percent.

912

: 00:41:46

It should.

913

: 00:41:47

Laura: and I really think

it's a ruse, but anyway.

914

: 00:41:51

Uh

915

: 00:41:52

Xhafer: It's not,

916

: 00:41:54

Laura: huh

917

: 00:41:55

Xhafer: it's not.

918

: 00:41:57

Laura: It's not a ruse.

919

: 00:41:58

Okay.

920

: 00:41:59

Xhafer: Oh, this ticking

clock is gonna tick so loud.

921

: 00:42:03

Laura: Oh no, I, I don't

mean the clock is a ruse.

922

: 00:42:06

I mean the,

923

: 00:42:08

Xhafer: Oh, no.

924

: 00:42:08

the,

925

: 00:42:08

countdown, like the actual, the

actual countdown clock, the, they

926

: 00:42:13

keep giving us the time and it

keeps getting smaller and smaller.

927

: 00:42:16

Laura: Yeah.

928

: 00:42:16

No, I think, I think the ruse is that

like, oh, you have to stop and fix

929

: 00:42:21

this thing because I think, I think

the tracking might be something else.

930

: 00:42:25

Xhafer: Oh.

931

: 00:42:25

Well, they don't even do that plan.

932

: 00:42:27

As we find out later in the episode.

933

: 00:42:29

Laura: Yeah.

934

: 00:42:30

' Xhafer: cause he

935

: 00:42:30

Laura: They, they do pivot.

936

: 00:42:32

Okay.

937

: 00:42:32

Xhafer: Yeah.

938

: 00:42:33

Laura: They start to pivot.

939

: 00:42:34

Okay.

940

: 00:42:35

Because we don't get a lot of episode

after the pivot is proposed, I think.

941

: 00:42:39

Xhafer: Yeah.

942

: 00:42:39

It's like an offhanded comment from

Gada to Hilo at the end of the episode.

943

: 00:42:44

Laura: Yeah.

944

: 00:42:45

So, Ty is like talking to Adam

Dona about how he can't remember

945

: 00:42:50

how Ellen smelled anymore.

946

: 00:42:52

Xhafer: Well, it's not

that he can't remember.

947

: 00:42:54

It's that he, I mean, maybe he

can't remember, but it's the smell

948

: 00:42:59

of her is gone from her things.

949

: 00:43:01

Laura: Right?

950

: 00:43:01

Right.

951

: 00:43:02

Xhafer: 'cause we've seen

him multiple times, like grab

952

: 00:43:05

her clothes and smell them.

953

: 00:43:07

Laura: Yeah.

954

: 00:43:08

Very sad.

955

: 00:43:09

And so that is gone now.

956

: 00:43:13

And he apologizing, apologizes for

embarrassing Adama on the stand and

957

: 00:43:18

Adama refutes this and says, you can't,

you, you could never embarrass me.

958

: 00:43:24

Or something like that,

959

: 00:43:26

which is kind, but also like

that, that was really bad, Ty.

960

: 00:43:32

That was really bad.

961

: 00:43:34

You should not do that again.

962

: 00:43:37

Xhafer: The Adama's get big mad

at each other in Papa's office.

963

: 00:43:41

Bill is pissed that Lee told Lampkin

about Ty killing Ellen, but he's all

964

: 00:43:46

like, I didn't even know that Dad.

965

: 00:43:49

Laura: yeah.

966

: 00:43:50

Edam knows this right before,

like they've, they had to have

967

: 00:43:53

had this conversation when they

were doing their, their makeup.

968

: 00:43:58

Xhafer: I don't know.

969

: 00:43:59

I don't know.

970

: 00:44:00

Laura: I think Omo knew this

971

: 00:44:02

Xhafer: he, I mean, would, okay.

972

: 00:44:06

Adama knew this witch aama.

973

: 00:44:08

Laura: bill.

974

: 00:44:10

Xhafer: Bill knew that Lee didn't know.

975

: 00:44:13

Laura: No, no.

976

: 00:44:16

Papa Dama knew that

977

: 00:44:18

Xhafer: oh, bill knew?

978

: 00:44:19

Oh, yeah,

979

: 00:44:20

yeah.

980

: 00:44:21

Bill Dominoes.

981

: 00:44:23

He's mad at Lee for telling

Lampkin, but Lee did not know.

982

: 00:44:28

Laura: I believe that, I

believe Lee did not know.

983

: 00:44:30

I think Adama is the only one who knows.

984

: 00:44:33

Bill Adama.

985

: 00:44:33

Papa dama dad.

986

: 00:44:35

Merle knows this because it it when,

when Ty finally sort of cracks on his,

987

: 00:44:42

like bitterness about new Caprica then he

had to have told Adama we never see it.

988

: 00:44:50

But I think he did.

989

: 00:44:51

But I think the fact that the dad

Mell knows this and he's drunk and

990

: 00:45:00

or he's been drinking and he's mad at

Lee, he's kind of conflating their,

991

: 00:45:07

their both, their individuality.

992

: 00:45:09

He's assuming Lee is more of

him than he is, and thinking Lee

993

: 00:45:14

knows things that he knows and.

994

: 00:45:17

Not realizing that, not applying logic and

realizing that no, he doesn't know that.

995

: 00:45:24

Xhafer: I mean, he's also drunk.

996

: 00:45:25

This is right after he was carrying Ty.

997

: 00:45:27

Like he's drunk right now.

998

: 00:45:28

Laura: Yeah.

999

: 00:45:29

And we see him with a drink like,

so he's making a horrible mistake.

: 1000

00:45:33,987 --> 00:45:37,707

And this, this fight comes right after

Lee was like, I think we shouldn't

: 1001

00:45:37,707 --> 00:45:39,687

bother fixing the Tillium ship.

: 1002

00:45:39,717 --> 00:45:46,407

I think we should use it as a

diversion a little bit and keep going.

: 1003

00:45:46,437 --> 00:45:49,707

'cause we're, we don't have

the three days to do this.

: 1004

00:45:50,337 --> 00:45:54,027

And Adama does say, this is a good

idea, I think this is a good idea.

: 1005

00:45:54,027 --> 00:45:59,337

But then he choose Lee out for

something he didn't actually do.

: 1006

00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:03,807

Xhafer: Yeah, and Adama's

like you're a coward.

: 1007

00:46:03,837 --> 00:46:05,037

You have no integrity.

: 1008

00:46:05,787 --> 00:46:08,337

And Lee resigns his commission

over the accusation.

: 1009

00:46:09,062 --> 00:46:09,482

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1010

00:46:10,107 --> 00:46:11,697

Xhafer: This is ugly.

: 1011

00:46:12,867 --> 00:46:14,907

Laura: Ugly, ugly,

: 1012

00:46:14,907 --> 00:46:15,267

ugly.

: 1013

00:46:16,377 --> 00:46:19,197

Xhafer: The next day Lee's

in a suit instead of his

: 1014

00:46:19,197 --> 00:46:20,922

uniform in the courtroom when

: 1015

00:46:21,312 --> 00:46:21,432

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1016

00:46:22,287 --> 00:46:23,367

Xhafer: he's addressed his major.

: 1017

00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:24,687

He goes, it's Mr.

: 1018

00:46:24,687 --> 00:46:27,765

Adama now, actually not major.

: 1019

00:46:28,785 --> 00:46:31,035

And he goes up to examine Rosalyn.

: 1020

00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,430

Laura: Yeah.

: 1021

00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:33,630

He insists upon this.

: 1022

00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:36,180

He's like, no, no, I need to

be the one who does, does this.

: 1023

00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:42,625

And I think he believes that

because, one of the things the dad

: 1024

00:46:42,625 --> 00:46:47,125

Merl said to him specifically was

that you gave the knife to someone

: 1025

00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:49,765

else and let them stick it in Saul.

: 1026

00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:50,530

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1027

00:46:50,875 --> 00:46:54,955

Laura: So he believes he needs to be

the one to stick the knife in Rosalyn.

: 1028

00:46:55,525 --> 00:46:57,197

Xhafer: Yeah, he,

: 1029

00:46:57,287 --> 00:46:58,697

Laura: but it starts out real rough.

: 1030

00:46:58,967 --> 00:47:02,357

Xhafer: he immediately fucks

up courtroom procedure, just

: 1031

00:47:02,357 --> 00:47:03,977

like literally 30 seconds in.

: 1032

00:47:04,487 --> 00:47:06,497

It's all like, he fucks

up, he's not a lawyer.

: 1033

00:47:07,167 --> 00:47:09,174

Lakin's all like, uh,

your Honor, this thing.

: 1034

00:47:09,324 --> 00:47:11,454

And the owner's like gonna let it slide.

: 1035

00:47:11,664 --> 00:47:17,604

And the side eye aama, the

dad role gives the judge for

: 1036

00:47:17,604 --> 00:47:20,604

letting this slide is so strong.

: 1037

00:47:21,372 --> 00:47:21,852

Laura: Yeah.

: 1038

00:47:22,152 --> 00:47:26,232

Well, it's almost like lawyers

go to school for a long time to

: 1039

00:47:26,232 --> 00:47:28,182

learn what to do in this situation.

: 1040

00:47:28,182 --> 00:47:28,302

Huh?

: 1041

00:47:28,832 --> 00:47:29,122

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1042

00:47:30,972 --> 00:47:32,232

Laura: It did make me laugh.

: 1043

00:47:32,292 --> 00:47:32,862

Um,

: 1044

00:47:33,777 --> 00:47:34,227

Xhafer: It's good.

: 1045

00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:35,247

He should fuck up.

: 1046

00:47:35,427 --> 00:47:36,627

He should be bad at this.

: 1047

00:47:37,302 --> 00:47:37,392

Laura: mm-hmm.

: 1048

00:47:37,802 --> 00:47:38,092

Xhafer: Yeah,

: 1049

00:47:38,562 --> 00:47:38,862

Laura: Yeah.

: 1050

00:47:39,042 --> 00:47:39,252

Yeah.

: 1051

00:47:39,252 --> 00:47:43,422

It would be really irritating actually

if he just like totally nailed it.

: 1052

00:47:44,127 --> 00:47:44,757

Xhafer: a hundred percent.

: 1053

00:47:45,248 --> 00:47:48,968

Laura: But Lee asks her about

her cancer and the cure,

: 1054

00:47:49,673 --> 00:47:49,853

Xhafer: mm-hmm.

: 1055

00:47:50,528 --> 00:47:54,278

Laura: Which I guess the whole

fleet must know about the half

: 1056

00:47:54,278 --> 00:47:56,018

human, half silent hybrid, huh?

: 1057

00:47:56,108 --> 00:47:56,588

Because she just.

: 1058

00:47:57,503 --> 00:47:58,133

Says it.

: 1059

00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:02,543

She just like says it.

: 1060

00:48:03,448 --> 00:48:03,738

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1061

00:48:04,883 --> 00:48:06,863

Laura: And he asked about her Kamala use.

: 1062

00:48:07,573 --> 00:48:10,843

he talks about her having

hallucinations back then when she

: 1063

00:48:10,843 --> 00:48:16,063

was taking it and uses that to like

sort of chip at her credibility.

: 1064

00:48:17,773 --> 00:48:20,473

And then we get this like

really dramatic moment.

: 1065

00:48:21,733 --> 00:48:26,593

He approaches her and she's just

whispering, like, please don't do this.

: 1066

00:48:27,248 --> 00:48:30,968

Which I was like, you know,

everyone can still see you, right?

: 1067

00:48:31,703 --> 00:48:31,993

Like,

: 1068

00:48:34,658 --> 00:48:38,648

seeing you whisper, please don't

do this is gonna be just as damning

: 1069

00:48:38,708 --> 00:48:41,078

as whatever you're gonna say,

: 1070

00:48:42,623 --> 00:48:43,073

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1071

00:48:45,476 --> 00:48:46,856

Laura: but he drops the bomb.

: 1072

00:48:47,446 --> 00:48:47,866

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1073

00:48:48,709 --> 00:48:48,929

Yep.

: 1074

00:48:49,429 --> 00:48:52,114

He is all like, you're back on the Kamala.

: 1075

00:48:53,704 --> 00:49:00,330

And she's all like, yeah,

but uh, you gonna ask me why?

: 1076

00:49:01,395 --> 00:49:04,845

Laura: Oh, well first the dad

Merle tries to make him shut up.

: 1077

00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:05,760

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

: 1078

00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:07,050

He's all like, fuck this.

: 1079

00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:08,280

This trial's over.

: 1080

00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:10,560

Like the last time there

was a trial I didn't like.

: 1081

00:49:11,505 --> 00:49:12,405

Laura: Yeah, no.

: 1082

00:49:12,405 --> 00:49:15,458

He's like, this is not relevant.

: 1083

00:49:15,758 --> 00:49:18,158

Get sit your ass down son.

: 1084

00:49:18,158 --> 00:49:22,538

And the other judges are like, um,

I wanna, I think I wanna hear it.

: 1085

00:49:23,408 --> 00:49:25,628

I wanna hear if she's on Kamala again.

: 1086

00:49:26,313 --> 00:49:26,603

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1087

00:49:26,918 --> 00:49:32,278

Laura: It seems, seems relevant and

yeah, Lee's trying to just leave it

: 1088

00:49:32,278 --> 00:49:34,078

there, but she's not gonna let it go.

: 1089

00:49:34,674 --> 00:49:37,254

She's like, why do you wanna know why?

: 1090

00:49:38,154 --> 00:49:39,564

It's 'cause my cancers back.

: 1091

00:49:39,564 --> 00:49:40,434

You fool.

: 1092

00:49:42,564 --> 00:49:42,654

Xhafer: Right.

: 1093

00:49:43,524 --> 00:49:45,144

I want you to feel guilty about it.

: 1094

00:49:45,714 --> 00:49:46,194

Laura: yeah.

: 1095

00:49:47,544 --> 00:49:50,124

So, oh.

: 1096

00:49:53,177 --> 00:49:55,187

Uh, But Dee is pretty mad at Lee.

: 1097

00:49:56,387 --> 00:49:56,687

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1098

00:49:57,737 --> 00:49:59,927

Laura: This is, this is finally the straw.

: 1099

00:50:00,887 --> 00:50:05,357

She's leaving him because

he's doing this now.

: 1100

00:50:06,917 --> 00:50:09,557

Xhafer: She's like, if the

system can elect tyrants and then

: 1101

00:50:09,557 --> 00:50:13,187

defend them, maybe the system is

broken just like this marriage.

: 1102

00:50:13,487 --> 00:50:13,847

Bye

: 1103

00:50:16,411 --> 00:50:20,191

Laura: Girl, you should have

done this like four episodes ago.

: 1104

00:50:20,371 --> 00:50:21,871

Xhafer: for sure.

: 1105

00:50:22,651 --> 00:50:29,041

Laura: Like, you should have had

some like, dignity for yourself.

: 1106

00:50:30,916 --> 00:50:31,426

I don't know.

: 1107

00:50:31,426 --> 00:50:34,246

I don't wanna judge too hard, but okay.

: 1108

00:50:34,786 --> 00:50:35,506

This seems fine.

: 1109

00:50:36,194 --> 00:50:37,784

This, This seems fine.

: 1110

00:50:40,852 --> 00:50:43,942

Uh, but we gotta do a press conference

now 'cause we've just had this, uh,

: 1111

00:50:43,972 --> 00:50:47,872

bombshell dropped in the courtroom

that rosalyn's cancer is back, back.

: 1112

00:50:48,742 --> 00:50:54,232

Uh, and of course, reporters ask

tough questions as they are want to

: 1113

00:50:54,232 --> 00:50:57,272

do and it makes Tori kind of mad.

: 1114

00:50:57,851 --> 00:50:58,241

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1115

00:50:59,651 --> 00:51:01,781

Tori gets very defensive.

: 1116

00:51:02,601 --> 00:51:04,671

She gets dismissed by Rosalyn

: 1117

00:51:05,686 --> 00:51:06,106

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1118

00:51:07,486 --> 00:51:07,776

Yeah.

: 1119

00:51:09,351 --> 00:51:09,681

I don't know.

: 1120

00:51:09,681 --> 00:51:14,391

I think this is kind of useful for

Rosalyn, so I know she is like, I'm

: 1121

00:51:16,521 --> 00:51:23,391

upset, but like, I think

there is a, a useful face on.

: 1122

00:51:24,186 --> 00:51:27,906

Someone loses their control and

you maintain yours the whole time,

: 1123

00:51:28,276 --> 00:51:28,696

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1124

00:51:29,286 --> 00:51:36,306

Laura: and you come back and, and own the

room because after Tori is dismissed Karen

: 1125

00:51:36,306 --> 00:51:41,286

asks how long Rosalyn has to live, and

Rosalyn just flips it right back at her.

: 1126

00:51:41,616 --> 00:51:43,176

How long do you have to live, Karen?

: 1127

00:51:43,881 --> 00:51:44,361

Xhafer: Fuck off.

: 1128

00:51:44,361 --> 00:51:48,501

Karen, have you thought about

not being a bitch, Karen?

: 1129

00:51:51,501 --> 00:51:53,271

How long do I have to live?

: 1130

00:51:53,826 --> 00:51:59,226

Laura: How prescient is it of this

writing team to name this woman Karen?

: 1131

00:52:02,526 --> 00:52:02,946

That that

: 1132

00:52:02,951 --> 00:52:04,176

became a whole thing?

: 1133

00:52:05,406 --> 00:52:05,646

Mm-hmm.

: 1134

00:52:06,126 --> 00:52:07,836

This is, this is Karen Prime.

: 1135

00:52:08,241 --> 00:52:09,411

Xhafer: yeah, a hundred percent.

: 1136

00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:14,306

You don't know this yet, but

this is the source of the Karens.

: 1137

00:52:15,126 --> 00:52:15,336

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1138

00:52:16,193 --> 00:52:16,583

Yeah.

: 1139

00:52:17,562 --> 00:52:20,832

But yeah, Rosalyn goes and

choose Tori out for this.

: 1140

00:52:20,862 --> 00:52:25,812

She says, you, you've been angry, you've

been distracted, and you look like shit.

: 1141

00:52:28,662 --> 00:52:29,832

Xhafer: Comb your hair.

: 1142

00:52:29,952 --> 00:52:30,792

Yikes.

: 1143

00:52:32,022 --> 00:52:38,652

Laura: And I kind of wish like that,

that had actually been foreshadowed

: 1144

00:52:38,652 --> 00:52:40,722

in an other episodes, but I don't

: 1145

00:52:40,722 --> 00:52:41,022

think it

: 1146

00:52:41,082 --> 00:52:42,972

Xhafer: had gotten Tory for five seconds.

: 1147

00:52:43,377 --> 00:52:43,647

In the

: 1148

00:52:43,812 --> 00:52:44,202

Laura: Yeah.

: 1149

00:52:44,247 --> 00:52:44,907

Xhafer: episodes?

: 1150

00:52:45,372 --> 00:52:45,762

Laura: Yeah.

: 1151

00:52:45,762 --> 00:52:50,442

And that we saw her fumble her papers or

: 1152

00:52:51,402 --> 00:52:57,222

get bitchy or like having

trouble getting her appear?

: 1153

00:52:57,597 --> 00:52:59,007

Xhafer: We just haven't recorded it yet.

: 1154

00:52:59,007 --> 00:53:01,467

And she was fine in

that episode, but yeah.

: 1155

00:53:01,662 --> 00:53:01,992

Laura: Yeah.

: 1156

00:53:02,142 --> 00:53:02,322

Yeah.

: 1157

00:53:02,322 --> 00:53:06,192

Like, as far as I can tell,

in all previous episodes

: 1158

00:53:06,192 --> 00:53:07,722

she looked freaking fine.

: 1159

00:53:07,887 --> 00:53:10,737

Xhafer: Was the hint that she couldn't

find those papers for Lampkin?

: 1160

00:53:12,392 --> 00:53:13,382

Laura: That seemed like they were

: 1161

00:53:13,382 --> 00:53:15,842

trying to make a, just a ruse, you know?

: 1162

00:53:16,817 --> 00:53:19,847

Or just fuck with him, you

know, that that wasn't a very

: 1163

00:53:19,847 --> 00:53:21,917

good hint, if that's the case.

: 1164

00:53:24,473 --> 00:53:27,443

so yeah, she gives her an order

to get it together and you know,

: 1165

00:53:27,443 --> 00:53:28,793

who else needs to get it together.

: 1166

00:53:28,853 --> 00:53:29,813

Fucking sa tie,

: 1167

00:53:31,373 --> 00:53:32,033

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1168

00:53:32,693 --> 00:53:36,893

Laura: he's like hallucinating on the

floor of his quarters hearing the music.

: 1169

00:53:37,073 --> 00:53:37,403

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1170

00:53:38,075 --> 00:53:38,765

We cut over.

: 1171

00:53:38,765 --> 00:53:40,475

Hilo is the XO now.

: 1172

00:53:42,082 --> 00:53:45,952

He and Gata let us know that

the Tealium ship is off on a

: 1173

00:53:45,952 --> 00:53:47,752

different path to be a decoy.

: 1174

00:53:48,022 --> 00:53:50,662

They're gonna fix it and then

it's gonna rejoin the fleet.

: 1175

00:53:51,112 --> 00:53:56,032

So it will lead 'em one way and then cut

directions and be a good distraction.

: 1176

00:53:56,572 --> 00:53:59,932

Uh, but the fleet also isn't

being followed anymore.

: 1177

00:54:01,042 --> 00:54:03,502

They don't say if the tillium freighter

is still being followed, but the

: 1178

00:54:03,502 --> 00:54:05,362

fleet isn't being followed anymore.

: 1179

00:54:05,852 --> 00:54:06,142

Laura: Yeah.

: 1180

00:54:06,622 --> 00:54:08,362

Xhafer: So they assume that it's working.

: 1181

00:54:09,097 --> 00:54:11,737

Laura: Yeah, but Hilo thinks

the air smells like rain.

: 1182

00:54:12,532 --> 00:54:13,192

Xhafer: Yes.

: 1183

00:54:13,282 --> 00:54:16,192

Hilo knows something is

about to change that.

: 1184

00:54:16,192 --> 00:54:19,042

There is a storm on the horizon.

: 1185

00:54:20,753 --> 00:54:26,400

Ty hears the music in the walls and

uh, the camera goes a little crazy.

: 1186

00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,135

It does this like wobble thing

as it like backtracks on 'em.

: 1187

00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:30,790

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1188

00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:31,680

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1189

00:54:32,933 --> 00:54:33,353

calling out.

: 1190

00:54:34,028 --> 00:54:34,388

Laura: Yeah.

: 1191

00:54:35,723 --> 00:54:38,151

Xhafer: and that's uh, that's the episode.

: 1192

00:54:40,023 --> 00:54:41,013

How do you feel about this one?

: 1193

00:54:42,648 --> 00:54:46,548

Laura: Well, you did warn me that I would

be upset spaghetti about it and want to

: 1194

00:54:46,548 --> 00:54:48,288

immediately go into the next episode.

: 1195

00:54:48,573 --> 00:54:48,693

I

: 1196

00:54:48,798 --> 00:54:49,018

Xhafer: did.

: 1197

00:54:49,758 --> 00:54:52,788

Laura: don't feel like

super upset spaghetti.

: 1198

00:54:53,958 --> 00:54:54,288

I'm just

: 1199

00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:58,773

Xhafer: didn't re I didn't remember

where this episode ends exactly.

: 1200

00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:01,413

And what happens in this one and

what happens in the next one.

: 1201

00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:02,703

'cause I haven't watched

it in a long time.

: 1202

00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:08,743

So I don't know that I would've changed

that advice, but it just means that some

: 1203

00:55:08,743 --> 00:55:12,583

of the stuff that I thought was going

to happen in the previous or in the next

: 1204

00:55:12,583 --> 00:55:16,603

episode, I thought was gonna happen in

this episode, but most of it didn't.

: 1205

00:55:16,993 --> 00:55:19,873

So it's just all, all Next episode.

: 1206

00:55:20,488 --> 00:55:20,818

Laura: Okay.

: 1207

00:55:20,893 --> 00:55:21,238

I, I

: 1208

00:55:21,343 --> 00:55:22,153

Xhafer: next episode.

: 1209

00:55:22,348 --> 00:55:26,218

Laura: I was like, yeah, I could be

upset spaghetti about the Lee business.

: 1210

00:55:26,953 --> 00:55:29,443

Xhafer: There's a little bit with

Baltar's trial going too well

: 1211

00:55:29,443 --> 00:55:30,703

for him that I thought you'd be

: 1212

00:55:30,868 --> 00:55:33,238

Laura: yeah, that it, that

is a little upsetting.

: 1213

00:55:33,328 --> 00:55:38,848

Um, I guess there's a little too much

Lee in me where I'm like, well, yeah,

: 1214

00:55:38,848 --> 00:55:45,718

that is the system and we don't have a

perfect maybe it's because I'm taking a

: 1215

00:55:45,718 --> 00:55:52,123

theory based class this semester that is

basically like all about, there is no.

: 1216

00:55:53,013 --> 00:55:54,303

Perfect truth.

: 1217

00:55:54,333 --> 00:55:57,573

And every system of measurement has flaws.

: 1218

00:55:57,633 --> 00:56:04,563

And like, um, I'm grappling with like,

you know, we just gotta find the best

: 1219

00:56:04,563 --> 00:56:06,453

system for our goals at the time.

: 1220

00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:12,933

And like, I don't, I don't think I'm

equipped to come up with that on my own.

: 1221

00:56:12,993 --> 00:56:16,263

So like, collective system and whatever.

: 1222

00:56:17,023 --> 00:56:21,463

I, it it's upsetting that

we know Baltar is so bad

: 1223

00:56:22,273 --> 00:56:22,573

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1224

00:56:22,723 --> 00:56:27,103

Laura: we're watching like the

people who are trying to describe

: 1225

00:56:27,733 --> 00:56:31,933

the badness that is baltar, like

falling on their faces, doing it.

: 1226

00:56:31,963 --> 00:56:33,343

Like that kind of sucks,

: 1227

00:56:33,733 --> 00:56:34,093

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1228

00:56:34,543 --> 00:56:38,653

Laura: Since we have like a

more complete picture of that.

: 1229

00:56:39,103 --> 00:56:39,673

Um,

: 1230

00:56:39,883 --> 00:56:43,213

Xhafer: We saw this prosecutor give really

good opening arguments and then not say

: 1231

00:56:43,213 --> 00:56:44,593

another word the rest of the episode.

: 1232

00:56:45,343 --> 00:56:48,703

Laura: yeah, she talked to Ty for like

a second, but it was mostly Lambkin.

: 1233

00:56:48,823 --> 00:56:49,123

Yeah.

: 1234

00:56:50,623 --> 00:56:51,283

so

: 1235

00:56:51,613 --> 00:56:56,953

Xhafer: from a like acting

standpoint, let Mark Shepherd chew

: 1236

00:56:57,103 --> 00:56:58,843

that scenery as much as he wants,

: 1237

00:56:59,413 --> 00:57:02,833

but from a like story standpoint,

I want more of the other side

: 1238

00:57:03,488 --> 00:57:03,838

Laura: Right?

: 1239

00:57:03,973 --> 00:57:04,483

Xhafer: this trial,

: 1240

00:57:05,308 --> 00:57:05,658

Laura: Right.

: 1241

00:57:05,683 --> 00:57:06,103

Xhafer: so

: 1242

00:57:06,983 --> 00:57:10,793

Laura: So I don't like that

things are going well for the

: 1243

00:57:10,793 --> 00:57:12,893

person we know is a bad person.

: 1244

00:57:15,406 --> 00:57:21,316

I understand why Lee's doing

what he's doing and the dad

: 1245

00:57:21,346 --> 00:57:22,816

mural definitely fucked up.

: 1246

00:57:23,776 --> 00:57:24,076

Xhafer: Yeah,

: 1247

00:57:24,604 --> 00:57:29,404

Laura: but I don't know that

this is gonna be good for Lee.

: 1248

00:57:30,214 --> 00:57:34,082

And yeah, I'm very confused.

: 1249

00:57:34,082 --> 00:57:35,402

I'm so confused.

: 1250

00:57:37,052 --> 00:57:40,952

Xhafer: it's supposed to be

not, you're not, not, you're not

: 1251

00:57:40,952 --> 00:57:43,172

supposed to know what's going on

with some of this stuff right now.

: 1252

00:57:44,767 --> 00:57:49,567

like some of it is there to be

confusing, which is frustrating.

: 1253

00:57:50,227 --> 00:57:55,747

Uh, but I will say most of the things

that you are finding confusing will

: 1254

00:57:55,747 --> 00:57:59,227

not drag out as far as they could.

: 1255

00:57:59,842 --> 00:58:01,192

Laura: I hope because

: 1256

00:58:01,222 --> 00:58:02,662

I got kind of pissed when

: 1257

00:58:02,662 --> 00:58:03,317

that happened.

: 1258

00:58:03,472 --> 00:58:09,592

Xhafer: six episode Deanna arc

thing with payoff way down the

: 1259

00:58:09,592 --> 00:58:10,852

line for some of these things.

: 1260

00:58:10,852 --> 00:58:14,242

Some of these things are gonna

be paying off pretty soon.

: 1261

00:58:14,937 --> 00:58:15,227

Laura: Yeah.

: 1262

00:58:15,802 --> 00:58:16,282

Xhafer: So

: 1263

00:58:16,792 --> 00:58:17,482

Laura: I need that.

: 1264

00:58:17,482 --> 00:58:17,962

'cause

: 1265

00:58:18,077 --> 00:58:18,357

Xhafer: got that.

: 1266

00:58:19,042 --> 00:58:23,062

Laura: it will make me angry

if too much is unresolved.

: 1267

00:58:23,122 --> 00:58:27,511

But, kind of feeling like

we're gonna get some.

: 1268

00:58:29,041 --> 00:58:32,581

Silent reveals this

music is too suspicious.

: 1269

00:58:33,541 --> 00:58:37,861

I was wondering, I was like,

is maybe perhaps the music, the

: 1270

00:58:37,861 --> 00:58:40,081

signal that they're tracking,

: 1271

00:58:40,621 --> 00:58:44,851

like somebody's playing

this music somehow.

: 1272

00:58:45,031 --> 00:58:48,421

And I was, I was very

accusatory toward Gata last

: 1273

00:58:48,421 --> 00:58:49,766

night with my husband.

: 1274

00:58:50,551 --> 00:58:54,301

Like that he's the comms guy.

: 1275

00:58:54,301 --> 00:58:57,421

Like he or he's knows everything in CIC.

: 1276

00:58:57,811 --> 00:58:58,141

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1277

00:58:58,291 --> 00:58:58,681

Laura: Like

: 1278

00:58:59,011 --> 00:59:00,331

if if this music,

: 1279

00:59:01,501 --> 00:59:05,791

if this music was some kind of

broadcasts related broadcast

: 1280

00:59:06,271 --> 00:59:08,581

Xhafer: maybe Gada just

has a pirate radio station.

: 1281

00:59:09,781 --> 00:59:10,231

Laura: yeah.

: 1282

00:59:11,641 --> 00:59:15,481

That's Gator's like, um,

relaxing time as he goes.

: 1283

00:59:15,481 --> 00:59:18,451

And he is a DJ on this

underground station.

: 1284

00:59:19,261 --> 00:59:22,261

Xhafer: He was a hundred percent

a DJ at his college campus.

: 1285

00:59:22,741 --> 00:59:23,041

Laura: Yeah.

: 1286

00:59:23,611 --> 00:59:24,241

I believe that.

: 1287

00:59:24,631 --> 00:59:24,931

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1288

00:59:24,931 --> 00:59:27,781

Mm-hmm.

: 1289

00:59:29,386 --> 00:59:29,896

Laura: I don't know.

: 1290

00:59:30,758 --> 00:59:32,648

Kinda kind of worried

: 1291

00:59:32,753 --> 00:59:36,863

Xhafer: Jazz, and the name of

his show was Fields with Felix.

: 1292

00:59:38,741 --> 00:59:42,251

Laura: Oh man, God, what is that lady?

: 1293

00:59:42,281 --> 00:59:43,391

Who is that lady?

: 1294

00:59:44,096 --> 00:59:45,116

Xhafer: Who's that lady?

: 1295

00:59:45,371 --> 00:59:46,211

Laura: Delilah.

: 1296

00:59:46,211 --> 00:59:47,351

He was Delilah.

: 1297

00:59:49,901 --> 00:59:52,691

There's, there's gotta be some

listeners who know Delilah.

: 1298

00:59:52,961 --> 00:59:54,131

Even if you don't, you fair.

: 1299

00:59:57,791 --> 00:59:58,631

Just trust me.

: 1300

00:59:59,201 --> 00:59:59,531

Xhafer: Okay.

: 1301

01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:02,621

Laura: I'm glad you've

never called into Delilah.

: 1302

01:00:03,461 --> 01:00:07,571

Xhafer: Yeah, I'm not

familiar, but that's fine.

: 1303

01:00:07,931 --> 01:00:10,104

Um, yeah,

: 1304

01:00:12,084 --> 01:00:17,574

Laura: I have never wanted to Google shit

as bad as with this episode and maelstrom.

: 1305

01:00:18,774 --> 01:00:19,074

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1306

01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:25,224

Laura: Yeah, I really have had

to suppress an actual urge.

: 1307

01:00:26,707 --> 01:00:35,797

Xhafer: We'll record Crossroads part two

soon and after we do, you can ask me if

: 1308

01:00:35,797 --> 01:00:38,677

it's safe to Google a couple things, and

: 1309

01:00:38,782 --> 01:00:39,072

Laura: Okay.

: 1310

01:00:39,202 --> 01:00:39,782

Xhafer: yes or no.

: 1311

01:00:40,602 --> 01:00:40,892

Okay.

: 1312

01:00:41,797 --> 01:00:42,157

Laura: Okay.

: 1313

01:00:43,222 --> 01:00:45,922

Xhafer: On a scale of one to 12 colonies,

how did you feel about this episode?

: 1314

01:00:47,766 --> 01:00:49,896

Laura: I think the buildup is very good.

: 1315

01:00:49,926 --> 01:00:56,196

Like I want very badly to be able

to watch this episode right now.

: 1316

01:00:56,676 --> 01:01:00,071

Like I wanna go right now

and watch the next one.

: 1317

01:01:00,861 --> 01:01:05,301

Xhafer: Can we record Crossroads

part two before we record episode 18?

: 1318

01:01:08,946 --> 01:01:14,436

Laura: I think because this is a Sunday

night that I'm not gonna get it done until

: 1319

01:01:15,246 --> 01:01:21,156

Friday night maybe, and we'll have to

talk about logistics of that off the pod.

: 1320

01:01:21,816 --> 01:01:22,356

Um,

: 1321

01:01:22,521 --> 01:01:23,481

Xhafer: Yeah, we'll chat on that

: 1322

01:01:23,963 --> 01:01:30,563

Laura: but yeah, I mean, I, mm, I guess

an 11, like I'm on the edge of my butt.

: 1323

01:01:31,268 --> 01:01:32,828

Xhafer: I've got a I down to 10.

: 1324

01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:34,133

Laura: Okay?

: 1325

01:01:34,433 --> 01:01:35,753

Xhafer: I put down 10 now.

: 1326

01:01:36,003 --> 01:01:39,533

We haven't recorded it yet but

last episode was a 12 for me

: 1327

01:01:40,228 --> 01:01:40,648

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1328

01:01:41,963 --> 01:01:44,273

Xhafer: and I'm pretty sure

next episode's gonna be a 12.

: 1329

01:01:44,543 --> 01:01:46,493

So it's just like the

little sandwich, right?

: 1330

01:01:46,493 --> 01:01:46,583

You

: 1331

01:01:46,583 --> 01:01:50,303

know, it's the sandwich on really good

of bread, but the filling's kind of

: 1332

01:01:50,303 --> 01:01:51,863

like, it's not the star of the show.

: 1333

01:01:51,923 --> 01:01:52,583

And that's fine.

: 1334

01:01:52,948 --> 01:01:53,368

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1335

01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:55,429

I'm so nervous.

: 1336

01:01:55,429 --> 01:01:55,819

I'm so.

: 1337

01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:57,949

Xhafer: You ready for

this episode description?

: 1338

01:01:59,209 --> 01:01:59,884

Laura: I guess so.

: 1339

01:01:59,944 --> 01:02:01,174

Yeah, hit me.

: 1340

01:02:01,489 --> 01:02:04,669

Xhafer: Next up, Battlestar

Gala, acta, season three,

: 1341

01:02:05,269 --> 01:02:09,319

episode 20, crossroads part two.

: 1342

01:02:10,198 --> 01:02:13,708

The storm arrives and

the wind begins to howl.

: 1343

01:02:14,292 --> 01:02:17,862

Baltar's trial concludes, and

some lives change forever.

: 1344

01:02:18,702 --> 01:02:23,172

Ty attempts to decipher the music

he's hearing in his head, and Laura

: 1345

01:02:23,652 --> 01:02:27,192

learns why I asked for something

during our crusade coverage.

: 1346

01:02:28,622 --> 01:02:30,962

Laura: I have no idea what that

: 1347

01:02:30,962 --> 01:02:31,442

means at

: 1348

01:02:31,457 --> 01:02:31,617

all.

: 1349

01:02:33,967 --> 01:02:34,087

I.

: 1350

01:02:34,367 --> 01:02:35,867

Xhafer: I'm so excited.

: 1351

01:02:37,501 --> 01:02:38,371

Laura: Okay.

: 1352

01:02:41,989 --> 01:02:42,829

I had a thought.

: 1353

01:02:43,579 --> 01:02:43,849

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1354

01:02:44,899 --> 01:02:49,759

Laura: Okay, so there's one, one

musical spoiler that I know about

: 1355

01:02:49,759 --> 01:02:51,199

Battlestar Galactica, right?

: 1356

01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:52,339

Xhafer: Oh, okay.

: 1357

01:02:53,179 --> 01:02:57,379

Laura: That at some point all

along the watchtower is referenced.

: 1358

01:02:57,709 --> 01:02:58,489

Xhafer: Oh, did I?

: 1359

01:02:59,089 --> 01:03:00,079

Is it too much now?

: 1360

01:03:00,729 --> 01:03:01,629

Laura: No, no.

: 1361

01:03:02,379 --> 01:03:04,239

It's like, is that the music?

: 1362

01:03:04,779 --> 01:03:08,559

Are they close enough to earth that

they're picking up human music?

: 1363

01:03:09,699 --> 01:03:10,209

No.

: 1364

01:03:10,209 --> 01:03:13,538

I don't want this to be in the

current present day universe.

: 1365

01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:14,288

I don't know.

: 1366

01:03:15,161 --> 01:03:15,371

Huh?

: 1367

01:03:15,551 --> 01:03:17,381

Xhafer: I said maybe

: 1368

01:03:18,364 --> 01:03:19,864

Laura: Surely that's not it.

: 1369

01:03:19,864 --> 01:03:22,774

Surely that's not where all along

the watchtower is referenced.

: 1370

01:03:22,774 --> 01:03:23,974

Surely it's somewhere else.

: 1371

01:03:24,607 --> 01:03:25,147

I don't know.

: 1372

01:03:26,023 --> 01:03:27,193

I guess I'm gonna find out.

: 1373

01:03:27,458 --> 01:03:28,638

Xhafer: you're gonna find out.

: 1374

01:03:30,553 --> 01:03:31,123

Laura: Okie dokie.

: 1375

01:03:31,213 --> 01:03:33,613

Well, I guess we should wrap this baby up.

: 1376

01:03:33,868 --> 01:03:35,488

Xhafer: Well, hey Jeremy.

: 1377

01:03:36,538 --> 01:03:37,438

Jeremy Siegel.

: 1378

01:03:37,678 --> 01:03:39,988

Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com.

: 1379

01:03:40,438 --> 01:03:42,028

Thank you so much for

making our theme music.

: 1380

01:03:42,028 --> 01:03:44,458

We appreciate the hell out of it and

we appreciate the hell outta you.

: 1381

01:03:45,058 --> 01:03:45,503

Laura: Sure do.

: 1382

01:03:45,923 --> 01:03:49,468

And we also appreciate the hell out

of Angry Duck time machine over on

: 1383

01:03:49,468 --> 01:03:51,478

Instagram for doing our podcast artwork.

: 1384

01:03:52,363 --> 01:03:55,903

Xhafer: Aaron, appreciate you for editing

the podcast, doing all the work you do.

: 1385

01:03:56,293 --> 01:04:00,103

I'll try to give you more

drops than maybe next episode.

: 1386

01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:02,740

Laura: Oh yeah.

: 1387

01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,820

We didn't drop anything.

: 1388

01:04:04,255 --> 01:04:05,335

Xhafer: Not a thing.

: 1389

01:04:05,515 --> 01:04:06,205

Whoops.

: 1390

01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:09,190

Laura: All those drops are off

Aaron's Dome, if there are any.

: 1391

01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:10,570

Xhafer: In this ep.

: 1392

01:04:10,765 --> 01:04:11,455

A hundred percent.

: 1393

01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:13,945

Now, now now we've pressured him too.

: 1394

01:04:13,945 --> 01:04:15,055

Now he's gotta go and add

: 1395

01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,090

Laura: no, no, no, no.

: 1396

01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:16,360

no.

: 1397

01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:18,700

This is a very meaty and serious episode.

: 1398

01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:21,550

If the episode doesn't require

drops, it doesn't require drops.

: 1399

01:04:21,550 --> 01:04:22,120

That's his

: 1400

01:04:22,135 --> 01:04:24,715

Xhafer: I know one person

who will disagree with you.

: 1401

01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:27,640

Laura: Well, Ben's opinion doesn't matter.

: 1402

01:04:31,255 --> 01:04:33,745

Xhafer: Get your own

Battlestar Galactica podcast.

: 1403

01:04:33,745 --> 01:04:34,165

Ben.

: 1404

01:04:34,450 --> 01:04:35,350

Laura: Exactly.

: 1405

01:04:38,065 --> 01:04:40,605

Xhafer: I wanna be a

guest on it Anyways yeah.

: 1406

01:04:40,605 --> 01:04:42,225

And thank you listener.

: 1407

01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:45,330

Thanks so much for joining us,

spending your time with us.

: 1408

01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:46,230

We appreciate it.

: 1409

01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,140

If you really like our podcast,

tell your friends about it.

: 1410

01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:49,890

That's cool.

: 1411

01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,029

That's fun.

: 1412

01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:54,510

You get someone else to talk to you about

it and if you want someone else to talk

: 1413

01:04:54,510 --> 01:04:56,460

to about it, you can hit up the Discord.

: 1414

01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:59,730

'cause there's a group of people

there who want to talk about what

: 1415

01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:02,160

we're talking about, and that's

what we do over in the Discord.

: 1416

01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:02,880

It's a blast.

: 1417

01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:05,279

One of my favorite places on

the internet, a great hang.

: 1418

01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:08,370

Laura: I hope Spoiler Town is

having a lot of fun without me.

: 1419

01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:09,055

I hope they're just.

: 1420

01:05:09,735 --> 01:05:10,425

Excited.

: 1421

01:05:10,890 --> 01:05:13,950

Xhafer: man, spoiler town in particular.

: 1422

01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:20,502

The last week I had to make a

post in there about something

: 1423

01:05:20,502 --> 01:05:22,572

I said that I shouldn't have.

: 1424

01:05:23,757 --> 01:05:25,557

Laura: Oh, but I'm sure

I didn't detect it.

: 1425

01:05:26,412 --> 01:05:30,908

Xhafer: I am pretty proud of

the way that I handled it, so.

: 1426

01:05:32,003 --> 01:05:32,423

Laura: All right.

: 1427

01:05:33,632 --> 01:05:34,502

I can't wait to know.

: 1428

01:05:35,062 --> 01:05:35,352

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1429

01:05:35,882 --> 01:05:37,142

Laura: But join us there, listener.

: 1430

01:05:37,262 --> 01:05:40,292

You can be with me or you can be

with them, or you can do both.

: 1431

01:05:40,682 --> 01:05:40,971

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1432

01:05:41,117 --> 01:05:41,567

Or both.

: 1433

01:05:41,912 --> 01:05:43,562

Laura: Just don't say something

you shouldn't in front of

: 1434

01:05:43,607 --> 01:05:43,937

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1435

01:05:44,207 --> 01:05:45,497

Don't, please don't.

: 1436

01:05:46,337 --> 01:05:47,387

It's nerve wracking

: 1437

01:05:47,807 --> 01:05:48,267

Laura: Be cool.

: 1438

01:05:48,267 --> 01:05:48,482

Be cool.

: 1439

01:05:48,892 --> 01:05:52,067

Xhafer: Years, years I've kept secrets.

: 1440

01:05:56,978 --> 01:05:57,908

It's not healthy.

: 1441

01:05:57,968 --> 01:05:58,478

I hate it.

: 1442

01:06:00,068 --> 01:06:00,518

Bye.

: 1443

01:06:00,518 --> 01:06:01,208

See you next week.

: 1444

01:06:02,628 --> 01:06:02,848

Laura: Bye.