Episode 208

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18th Feb 2026

BSG S3E18 - Just for Romo (Featuring Ryan from Yum Yum Podcast)

Ryan from Yum Yum Podcast joins Laura and Xhafer to avoid Romo FOMO. Laura wonders how many cats are in the fleet. Ryan shares a term of endearment. Xhafer's plan is a spreadsheet. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 18: The Son Also Rises.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm fair,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and I don't know how much of what

we were talking about before is actually

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in this episode and how much Aaron's

gonna edit out, but we're joined today by.

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Ryan: Oh, it's me, Ryan here.

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I'm here to represent Balta.

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My favorite little guy.

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Laura: You know, Ryan, I, when I

saw this episode, I immediately

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knew why you chose it, obviously,

but also I thought, you know.

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If there was one un shot

script out there that had Mr.

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Romo Lampkin in it, and we

decided to do that on our podcast.

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I know who I'm choosing, and it's you,

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Ryan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I've got the closest to

whatever accent he has.

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all over the place.

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I know it's cockney, but

it's also a little Irish.

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It's everywhere.

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Xhafer: It's quite an accent.

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Yep.

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It's season three, episode 18.

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Riel Lampkin.

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I mean, the sun also rises.

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And as is our way here, our

guests choose the episode.

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And you picked this one just for Romo?

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Just for Baltar's trial.

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Ryan: I just like saying

the phrase, just for Romo.

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It sounds weird to say just

for Romo, just for Romo.

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Laura: It is.

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It's like Yolo, but something

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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It's legal.

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Um, oh yeah.

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Romo's great.

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I love Mark Shepherd.

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You know, him and his father, William

Morgan Shepherd were character Act people.

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If one was in like, you could

be guaranteed that one of them

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will be in a beloved franchise.

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If it wasn't Mark, it was his dad.

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You know, like Mark Shepherd was in

X-Files and Supernatural, and his dad

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was in Star Trek and Babylon five.

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You know, Lee are the things like his dad,

Willie Morgan Shepherd was the soul hunter

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: five.

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And I just love, you know, that these

two guys are just like, we will do all

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the pop culture with our strange deep

voices that'll get deeper as we get older.

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If you've ever seen Mark she

and Doom patrol his voice sounds

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like you've put his throat into.

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A concrete mixer.

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It's so gravelly, it's so raw.

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He's just constantly like, hello

there, it's me, Mark Shepherd.

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And I love it.

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I love it.

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But no, I also picked this 'cause

I love, um, the trial of Geis,

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Balter, just all of this stuff.

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And I just liked this and I thought,

oh, this is a good little preamble.

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We're setting up all of the pieces.

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Who's his attorney?

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All of that is just great

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Xhafer: yeah.

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I am a big fan of these three episodes

the last three of this season.

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we're actually recording

these out of order to, to

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facilitate you, you joining us.

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We already recorded Crossroads part one.

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Ryan: now, so you already know

who his pros the prosecution is.

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Xhafer: yeah, we meet, yeah,

we meet the other lawyer.

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Laura: Was I supposed to

like recognize the actress

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Ryan: no, we don't meet

her in this episode.

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We meet her, they talk

about her in the next one.

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I mean, she's in the next one.

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So for Star Trek fans, the prosecution

is the president of the Federation and

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uh, modern Star Trek Relic, who's great.

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And she was in Man of the

High Castle and all that.

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Like she's a really good actress.

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And so it's like, yep, here she is.

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Early on being in a sci-fi thing.

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'cause these Canadians love work.

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Laura: Well, I am glad you knew that.

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'cause I didn't know that on that episode,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I didn't catch that.

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That's, yeah, that's,

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Ryan: Yeah, that's Relic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Go back and you can tell.

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Oh, that's her.

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All right.

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Xhafer: soon as you said

it, it clicked in my brain.

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It's like, of course it is.

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Um, well, we, we can talk about that when

we record Crossroads part two 'cause Lord

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knows we're gonna need to be reaching

for things to talk about in that episode.

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Laura: y'all are making me so nervous.

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Xhafer: It's the Ralph Wickham.

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I'm in Danger Me Miss Laura's

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Ryan: Ah.

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Xhafer: now.

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Ryan: You just screaming.

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I hope.

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I hope Bal Car's okay.

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My favorite little guy.

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My favorite part of listening to

season three coverage is the fact

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that so many characters have taken

over the spot of hated for Laura.

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Like boar's, like 50th down the

list at this point, like Lee

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Anders when Kara was in the show.

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Like, all of these people, Dee, like

all of these people, just like, it's

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my turn, Laura, I wanna be hated.

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I wanna be hated.

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And Boz just sitting in his little

jail cell writing mind comfort and he's

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just like, somehow I'm not as hated.

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Now

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Laura: still hate this man so much that

the thing I'm worried about is that

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Ballar is gonna come out of his trial.

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Just freaking fine.

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Ryan: he's got Lee on his side.

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He'll be fine.

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Laura: Hmm hmm.

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Xhafer: I'm so looking forward

to just getting you right

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after you watch that episode.

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Just like I we're timing it to the

record, as close as we possibly

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can after you watch that episode.

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And I'm really, I'm looking

forward to that moment.

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That's gonna be good for me.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay,

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Xhafer: It's gonna be good for radio.

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It's gonna be good for me.

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You'll, you'll survive it.

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Laura: Okay.

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I'll trust the process, I guess the plan.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: Mm.

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You gotta trust the plan.

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They have one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I do.

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At least I have a very strict plan about

what episodes we're watching and when, um,

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Laura: Jair has a plan.

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Yeah.

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If he doesn't Have a plan,

he least has a spreadsheet.

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Xhafer: oh, for sure.

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I mean, the plan is the spreadsheet.

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Okay.

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Alright do we wanna

get into this one then?

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Laura: I guess so.

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Xhafer: Is it season three, episode 18?

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The sun also rises, not to be confused

with Hemingway's, the sun also rises,

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which is distinctly about nothing that

happens in this episode because it's about

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matador's polyamory and day drinking.

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So

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Laura: That I did not understand

the session title you made.

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I was like, I don't think any of those

things are related to this episode.

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Xhafer: not a one.

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But they're all in the sun.

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Also races.

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Ryan: I also chose another title

with a fun play on words, sun,

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obviously spelled SON rather than

SUN because it's about someone's son.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: I go, gosh, I wonder

who, what character in this

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show is defined by being a sun?

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Who could it be?

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Could it be hot dog?

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Is it hot dog?

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Xhafer: Little nepo.

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Ryan: who could it be?

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I wonder.

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We'll find out.

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We'll find out in this uh, breakdown.

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Laura: I wish we'd heard more about

hotdogs, STDs in this episode,

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because that would be very funny.

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Xhafer: nice little in joke.

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We open on Adama going through

Kara's file while Rosalyn is drawing

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captain names out of a fishbowl.

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We don't know why.

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Immediately there's a birthday

card to Papa dama where Kara drew

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his mustache on a photo of her

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Ryan: And glasses.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I love this.

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This is great.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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Hey, did you love, um, Laura, did you

love seeing the old season one promo

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pics of Katie Soff in this episode?

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They're all like, from season

one, they're like, look at, look.

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She had the goofy haircut back then,

and she's like four years younger.

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Look, look,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: remember, remember when she

was less annoying of a character?

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Ah, the good old days.

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Laura: Right,

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Xhafer: back when she was just a Mary Sue.

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Ryan: Back when she used to

get in fistfights with Ty.

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Oh, the good old days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Anders is down in the hangar.

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He is drunk as fuck, flipping a coin

while standing on top of a viper.

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And this coin is always heads.

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He's just astounded.

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It's, it's been four, it's only

been four in a row, but he's just

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like completely taken aback by

the impossibility of chance here.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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I, I feel like for someone who just took

statistics like last year, I should know

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what the odds of this are, but I don't.

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Ryan: It's fate, it's magic, it's

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Xhafer: quarter eight, one in 16.

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Laura: Okay.

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Ryan: maybe.

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But of course Anders

takes it as like magical.

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He's just like, it's her.

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She's beyond our realm of understanding.

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'cause I could flip heads four times.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: counterpoint, hear me out.

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He can flip heads four times

'cause he is a fucking silent.

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Ryan: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's

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Xhafer: silent power.

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Always flipping heads.

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Ryan: Do you remember, do you

remember like the, like, oh,

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silence are so hard to detect.

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To detect, but early in the

show, Sharon like unzipped her

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arm and plugged cables into it.

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Like, why can't they figure it out?

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They can never figure it out.

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Or like, if you fuck them from

behind, won't their spine light up?

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Like, come on Guy.

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Altas actual silent detector was his dick

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Xhafer: Oh, no.

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Ryan: Anders, we've gotta

find something out please.

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But yeah, Anders is sad and

everyone looks on like, Hey

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dude, could you stop being sad?

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And he's like, no.

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And, and they go, okay.

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Laura: Well, we just need him to

stop being sad on top of a viper.

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Right?

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Like he could still be sad.

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Xhafer: just not

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Ryan: boy already, but he is making

himself taller by standing on a viper.

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He just wants to be the tallest boy.

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Xhafer: He has to be the tallest

boy standing on top of a Viper

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who could possibly be taller.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: You have to get Helo

standing on a Raptor or something.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Battle of the MBOs.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Lee is looking

next to Kat's photo.

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He is got Kara's in his pocket here when

racetrack grabs him to help with Anders.

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Anders is in full denial.

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He says, my girl is

too lucky to check out.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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She's just magical.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Karara and her special destiny.

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And this is where we meet Baltar's

creepy lawyer for a moment before

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he gets exploded almost instantly.

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But in that moment before he explodes,

we make sure there's like some

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unwelcome touching of the pilots.

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He gets very close up on people.

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It is awkward as fuck.

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Ryan: Perfect for Gaas.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Now I know that racetrack before she

was cast was up for the role of six.

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Ryan: Oh.

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Laura: Wow.

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okay.

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Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

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So I wonder if this guy was up

for Ballar and this was like

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them reenacting their screen test

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or something.

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Ryan: that's crazy.

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Xhafer: I've got, I got no

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Ryan: theory.

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I like it.

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Xhafer: Um, he does

look a bit like a Doral.

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That's fair.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: but almost a Doral

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Laura: A real Doral type.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: sure.

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an explosive goes off in the rafter

and everyone's like, racetrack.

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Racetrack, because they all

forgot the lawyer's name.

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30 seconds after Callie said it.

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Laura: Well, also he's

gross, so like racetrack.

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Xhafer: I mean, she's the friend, like

obviously you're gonna be worried about

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your friend in that situation, but as it

struck me as very funny as they were all

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like saying goodbye to this guy as he

flies off and then the second the bomb

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goes off, everyone forgets about him.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: But they were also talking

about how much they hated this guy.

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'cause he was creepy and gross.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: And the lawyer is

probably dead to theme.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I say probably because

the survivor count is 49,399.

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It's only down one.

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Ryan: Huh

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Xhafer: Uh,

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which following there

is inconsistent logic.

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Sometimes the pre-credit stuff

counts towards the survivor count.

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Sometimes it doesn't.

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Ryan: wait.

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Inconsistencies in Battlestar

Galactica by Ronald D.

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Moore

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Xhafer: impossible.

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Ryan: I I don't want to hear that.

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Objection.

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Xhafer: So I think, I mean, it's also

just dramatic to have it drop by one.

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Like, you know, that it's, it's Starbuck.

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Laura: When we've been on that.

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Nice.

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Even number two,

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Xhafer: they've kept us at that

41,400 for a couple episodes.

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so the, the lawyer would count next

episode, then in their survivor

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: after the theme, we have a

press conference on Colonial one.

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The press is asking pesky questions like.

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This trial just killed a dude.

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Maybe it's not a good idea.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And, and, and Rosalyn has

your favorite answers.

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Jfe.

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She has your favorite answer.

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She just says, we don't

negotiate with terrorists.

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We don't bow down to terrorism.

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Terrorism mission accomplished.

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Yeah.

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She she just gives

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Xhafer: negotiate with terrorists except

when we negotiate with terrorists.

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Laura: She, she makes it even worse

though, because she uses the phrase

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as long as I am president, and then

Laura gets very worried that you're

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not actually gonna be president

a whole hell of a lot longer.

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Ryan: Then she pulled her

collar and Steam came out.

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Yeah.

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Laura: We forgot one thing before theme.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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What do we forget?

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Laura: Papa DAMA was selected.

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That's the

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fishbowl.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Papa's name's pulled out of the fishbowl.

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He is, he has won the

lottery to be a juror.

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Effectively.

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He's on the tribunal, but

there's more than three of them.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Ryan: A judge.

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Laura: Is it like five captains in total?

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Xhafer: it's, I believe it's

four captains and a judge.

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Ryan: Mm.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's 5,

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Xhafer: five total.

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Ryan: Five is a five is a good number.

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I'm, I'm sure it won't come up

again in this season of television

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that there's five people.

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Xhafer: Five.

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Yeah.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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I'm glad Laura figured it out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Five, five.

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That's a magic, but thanks, Ronald five.

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Great.

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Laura: We haven't been obsessing

about the number five at

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Ryan: No, no,

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Xhafer: even a little bit,

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not been a

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plot point, not been brought up.

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The characters don't even refer

to it as that convenient name

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that you would use in marketing.

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Ryan: no, not at all.

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Xhafer: For, for no reason whatsoever.

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It makes no sense for

them to use that term.

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The silences maybe, but it

makes no sense for the humans

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to use that terminology to me.

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But whatever.

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Over in the pilot's meeting room we get

this really rotating kinda wispy shots of

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Lee as he's stumbling through orders and

accidentally calls racetrack star bes.

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Oh,

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Laura: Oop.

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Yep.

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Xhafer: yep.

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How embarrassing.

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Ryan: No, it was really more embarrassing

that Helo had to pull rank and just

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go, actually, I'm supposed to be in

this part of space doing the job.

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And, and, and Lee looked so ashamed

that the, that the, the show's

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resident Kimbo had to, tell him

what's what, how embarrassing.

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Duh.

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I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a little Labrador man.

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And even I know that that's not

the space he's supposed to go.

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And even, and then Lee's like, oh no.

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Oh no.

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I'm so ashamed that my British

accent is popping out in this scene.

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For some mysterious reason.

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I noticed that.

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I noticed that straight away.

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I'm like, oh, he is, he is British.

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Accent is coming all the way out.

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He knew Mark Shepherd was coming into

the show and his Britishness just

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couldn't help but leak out of him.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: yeah, think it was,

it was right in the scene.

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Like I noticed Lee's hair and

I feel like they were just

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like, he's, he's real upset.

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He, so he's not gonna put product in his

hair, and so his hair is just like flat.

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It's

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Ryan: You.

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know what that reminds me of?

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When Lee got sad when the occupation

happened and they put grease

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in his hair and a comical fat

suit on him, is Lee regressing?

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Hmm?

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Xhafer: Oh, no.

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Laura: Oh, no.

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So is he gonna get greasy at the

beginning of season four again?

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Ryan: is on.

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Spoiler alert everyone for this episode.

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He is siding with Ballar, so he

has a natural source of grease

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to wipe and put into his hair.

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Xhafer: Just grab a little on his face

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Ryan: I also think of the Simpsons thing

where it's like if you, if you rub grease

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onto the wall and then it just turns

clear and a bird flies into it, like

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that's the level of grease we've got.

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Bolter has on him at all times.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Yep.

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Xhafer: Adam and Rosalyn are

interviewing Romo Lampkin for

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the job of Baltar's lawyer.

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He just wants to do it for the glory.

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Ryan: He's

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a robust and legal character.

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This guy

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insane you.

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You set it up beautifully.

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Set up Jfi.

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Love that.

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:

Now we should set it

up like the show does.

445

:

Abrupt hard cut to an intense closeup

of Mark Shepherd's face with sunglasses

446

:

and we just linger on it for like a

solid five seconds before we cut to

447

:

Rosalyn who's talking to him Like we

should all know who this is, by the way.

448

:

Like absolutely insane.

449

:

I had to double check.

450

:

This is his first episode, and in

this scene they treat him like,

451

:

oh, we all know who this is.

452

:

We all know this eccentric guy

in a trench coat with sunglasses

453

:

on a spaceship with a cat.

454

:

We all know this guy.

455

:

We all know this.

456

:

He's a favorite character.

457

:

Remember anime brought to BSG?

458

:

We all remember this guy

459

:

Laura: These are all wild choices

by the show that I, I loved.

460

:

I was like, sunglasses on a spaceship.

461

:

What trench coat?

462

:

What fucking cat?

463

:

He brings his fucking cat everywhere.

464

:

Why?

465

:

Ryan: because he loves his wife.

466

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

467

:

Ryan: cat's like her, it's her

spirit, or is it real at all?

468

:

Hmm?

469

:

Was any of it

470

:

Xhafer: cat's a silent,

471

:

Ryan: Yeah.

472

:

The cat's silent.

473

:

Yeah.

474

:

Oh, oh, oh, sorry.

475

:

That was the, that was the

476

:

final five.

477

:

Laura: the, oh

478

:

Ryan: The, the final five

are four pos and a tail.

479

:

Oh,

480

:

oopsie.

481

:

Laura: yeah.

482

:

This cat, the whole episode.

483

:

I was like, I really wanted the

cat to show up in Crossroads part

484

:

one at the trial, but I don't if

it, if it happened, I missed it.

485

:

Yeah.

486

:

Ryan: It just said Meow was an

objection and, and Adama took it in.

487

:

He's like, Hmm, hmm.

488

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

489

:

The dad Morl puts Lee on Lampkin

duty and Lee's pretty upset about it.

490

:

He'd rather be out flying, but

Helos gonna step in and be the

491

:

CAG while Lee handles Romo and

whatever shit he needs to deal with.

492

:

Laura: Yeah.

493

:

Lies all super hurt about

you don't think I can fly.

494

:

You don't think I can handle it.

495

:

You think I'm still like

broken up or whatever

496

:

and I'm like, somebody has already

killed Baltar's lawyer once.

497

:

Like this seems like a pretty

important job that actually the Lee

498

:

that I remember would be all over.

499

:

Ryan: Yeah, but you know,

he's no longer the lee.

500

:

We all love and know, you know, the, the

one, the one who was a little whiny bitch?

501

:

Oh wait, no, no, no.

502

:

Lee's the same.

503

:

Um, he whines.

504

:

Complaints.

505

:

I can't remember.

506

:

There's like four scenes like this

with him and Adama with Daddy Adama.

507

:

They're basically the

same scene four times.

508

:

Is this, which scene is it?

509

:

Is it this one where he, where

Adama's, just like you think

510

:

you're grieving more than me.

511

:

I looked

512

:

at my

513

:

Laura: think that's Slater

514

:

Ryan: God, it all blurs together.

515

:

They just yell at each

other a lot in this episode.

516

:

And Lee's point is the same.

517

:

Always.

518

:

And why are you surprised?

519

:

Daddy?

520

:

Adama.

521

:

That Lee's a little bitch.

522

:

Xhafer: At least also like,

like you aren't hurting, like

523

:

you don't need time to heal.

524

:

And Papa Dom is just like, no.

525

:

So I'm gonna ignore that shit.

526

:

Fuck you.

527

:

Ryan: Yeah.

528

:

Laura: Just gonna bury that

down real deep, real deep.

529

:

Xhafer: Romo wants to speak to

Baltar in private and like actual

530

:

private, so he suggests Lees quarters.

531

:

Uh, He then pulls out a book,

law Mind, the Psychology of

532

:

Legal Practice by Joseph Adama.

533

:

Ryan: Oh my God,

534

:

Xhafer: he reveals he was mentored by

Grand Papa DAMA as they go to see Gaas.

535

:

Ryan: Yeah.

536

:

This is great.

537

:

Wonderful stuff.

538

:

Uh, You know, this is a great scene

to kind of lay down the law of,

539

:

what's gonna happen for the rest

of the episode with him and Lee's

540

:

dynamic where he's kind of trying to

mentor Lee, which is, which is fun.

541

:

Like, it's a fun, weird thing

for a guest star to come in

542

:

and I don't know about you.

543

:

We mentioned the sunglasses, right?

544

:

The sunglasses.

545

:

I, I don't know if either of you

thought this, did you think he

546

:

was blind when you first saw him?

547

:

I thought he was blind when I first

saw him, but then he clearly isn't.

548

:

But it's just that thing of like,

I'm watching a science fiction

549

:

show and there's a character with

sunglasses obscuring his eyes and

550

:

I'm like, oh, maybe he's blind.

551

:

But then he is like, no, I, I'm fine.

552

:

I read, and apparently this

was a problem for Ronald D.

553

:

Moore, they talked about this on, um,

back in the day, they had like a wrestling

554

:

match in the writer's room of should

he wear glasses, sunglasses, and why?

555

:

And the answer to why is it, it's cool.

556

:

That's the answer is it's really

cool that he has glasses, sunglasses.

557

:

That's the only reason.

558

:

And they wrestled with like, is

it too like parody and silly?

559

:

As, but they don't ask that about the cat

or the trench coat at all the glasses.

560

:

It's,

561

:

Laura: I, I'm gonna be so cool.

562

:

Next time I have a migraine

in the middle class.

563

:

Put my sunglasses on.

564

:

Ryan: Well, do you take them?

565

:

Well, we'll talk about it later, but you

know, it's not about putting them on.

566

:

It's about taking them off dramatically.

567

:

Laura: Hmm.

568

:

I gotta work on that part.

569

:

You're right,

570

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

571

:

You got a real like swift motion slowly,

572

:

like all kind of very fluidly.

573

:

Yeah.

574

:

Ryan: And think about this.

575

:

Eyes are the windows to the soul, and he's

a character who's supposed to represent

576

:

law and order, and he's hiding those eyes.

577

:

What's happening there?

578

:

Something to think about.

579

:

Thanks.

580

:

Thanks.

581

:

BS, G.

582

:

Xhafer: hmm.

583

:

hmm.

584

:

Laura: More somethings To think

about coming up 'cause someone's

585

:

putting together a bomb.

586

:

Xhafer: we see the same little

detonator cap thing that we were made

587

:

very familiar with in season one.

588

:

Ryan: Hmm.

589

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

590

:

Would you all like to know

who I accused in my notes?

591

:

Would you like to guess

who I accused in my

592

:

Ryan: Uh, Anders.

593

:

Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

594

:

I'm gonna say you think it's a Cy.

595

:

Either you went silent plot

and it's Anders, or you

596

:

went non plot and it's Cali.

597

:

Ryan: Oh, okay.

598

:

Can I ask, was it a character that

actually appeared in this episode at all?

599

:

Laura: Well, no, I don't think they did.

600

:

Ryan: so D

601

:

Xhafer: Okay.

602

:

Laura: No, no.

603

:

But I did change at one point to thinking

it was Callie, so, you can have a point

604

:

for that, I guess Jair, but no, I accused

605

:

Xhafer: it.

606

:

Ryan: Okay.

607

:

Xhafer: is an upstanding citizen.

608

:

He'd never do anything like that.

609

:

Ryan: I like.

610

:

Sure, sure.

611

:

The

612

:

Laura: but he was sure big mad at Baltar.

613

:

He, he tried to stab Baltar,

614

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

615

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

616

:

Ryan: Yeah.

617

:

I think in the l long line of

people, gator's the maddest at Balta.

618

:

Laura: Hmm.

619

:

Xhafer: GA is pretty mad.

620

:

That's fair.

621

:

Laura: I can't tell if Ryan's

being sarcastic at me or not.

622

:

Xhafer: That's the beauty of his accent.

623

:

You just never know with him.

624

:

Ryan: I'll change it up.

625

:

Or I, I think it's

626

:

uh,

627

:

Laura: No, I think it's just that, like

I've, I've learned that Australians are

628

:

people that love to bullshit you, and so

I'm very, very afraid of taking something

629

:

seriously that one of them says, and then

it turns out it's a big joke on Laura.

630

:

Xhafer: Are you familiar with British

Comedy Duo, Mitchell and Webb?

631

:

Ryan: yeah.

632

:

Xhafer: They have a new show.

633

:

I forget the name of it.

634

:

It's like Mitchell and Webb

aren't contributing anything

635

:

to society or something.

636

:

I don't know.

637

:

Um, and in it, they've

got a reoccurring bit.

638

:

That's Sweary Aussie drama.

639

:

Ryan: Mm.

640

:

Mm-hmm.

641

:

Xhafer: Is this, is, did

this go viral at all?

642

:

Has this made its way to

643

:

Ryan: Oh, I'm aware.

644

:

I'm aware.

645

:

I, I watch Mitchell Web.

646

:

I've seen some, some bits and pieces.

647

:

Very

648

:

Xhafer: I, I want you to

know that I thought of you

649

:

whenever I, that bit came on

650

:

Ryan: Thank you.

651

:

Thank

652

:

Xhafer: the token Australian in my life.

653

:

Ryan: don't swear enough.

654

:

So, you know.

655

:

Thank you cunts for bringing me on.

656

:

Xhafer: I think that's pause.

657

:

I don't know.

658

:

Laura: No, I was like, I'm pretty

sure for Australians, that's a term of

659

:

Ryan: Yeah.

660

:

Comes a lovable term.

661

:

We love it and we love to say it and

we love to say it affectionately.

662

:

It's a, it's a word with two edges

to it, and we use the edge that you

663

:

guys don't, the brave edge we call it.

664

:

Yeah.

665

:

Xhafer: All right, well, now that I'm

a little awkward uh, Gaius is brought

666

:

to the lead Lee's room where they

talk about security as being useless.

667

:

Uh, Lee has signed an NDA so he gets

to stay in the room as they talk.

668

:

I thought that was a fun little bit.

669

:

they start to discuss things.

670

:

Baltar says Caprica six is the key.

671

:

She can destroy him at the trial,

and she, so she needs to be won over.

672

:

Lampkin says he's gonna go talk to her.

673

:

And he quotes Gaia's book to him,

and the look on his face when his

674

:

book is quoted to him is the look of

a man who is way too happy about it.

675

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

676

:

Laura: He's really sniffing his own butt.

677

:

Yeah.

678

:

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

679

:

Ryan: What I loved about the acting

of this scene is, you know, you've

680

:

got Mark Shepard there and he's

being very, you know, stone faced.

681

:

He's just not selling

anything back to bta.

682

:

He's just looking at him, you know, with

these shades on and he's just sitting

683

:

there and you have James Callis as

Balta and he sounds like a crazy person.

684

:

Everything he says sounds

like a crazy person.

685

:

Like he

686

:

is.

687

:

Laura: talk.

688

:

Yeah.

689

:

Ryan: He is.

690

:

And this is the fun part of this era

of the show is Balta is no longer

691

:

having to hide anything really.

692

:

Like he still is hiding random

things, but like in all honesty,

693

:

this is the most open he's had to be

and he still comes across as insane.

694

:

And then having his own words, parroted

back to him makes him feel confident

695

:

in himself, which is just so perfect

of capturing who guy is Bulli is.

696

:

He needs to be.

697

:

Told his own words to admire

something, and it's himself.

698

:

And you know, this lawyer's just come

in, he's read this book or whatever,

699

:

and he just goes, I, and he sees this

crazy man talking to him and he just

700

:

goes, I know how to manipulate him.

701

:

He even said to, to Rosalyn earlier,

he's just like, Hey, for what

702

:

it's worth, I hate the fucking

guy, but I'm gonna do this case.

703

:

So he's just sitting here

listening to this crazy person

704

:

and he's just like, mm-hmm.

705

:

Mm-hmm.

706

:

Mm-hmm.

707

:

Now I'm gonna use this to,

to get you to do what I want.

708

:

It's just a simple thing, but it

just says so much about Bullar ego.

709

:

Laura: Yeah.

710

:

and the lawyer's just so in control.

711

:

He's just like in control of everything.

712

:

Really quick.

713

:

It reminds me of the, the technique

people talk about on the internet about

714

:

gray rocking and just like not giving

anybody who is like clearly trolling

715

:

your time, not giving them anything.

716

:

And I was like, man, that's this man.

717

:

He's just.

718

:

He's gonna let you spin and spin out.

719

:

Yeah.

720

:

Xhafer: Lambkin wants to go to

the records room on Colonial One

721

:

and ask s Lee to take him there.

722

:

Lambkin has clearly observed

that something has happened and

723

:

everyone on the ship knows it and

it's bothering Lee, whatever it

724

:

is, everyone's treating Lee like

something terrible has happened to him.

725

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

726

:

Xhafer: And so he asked Lee if it's

his job to protect him or stop him.

727

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

728

:

okay, so one of the things I love about

this character as well, I say love.

729

:

It's a love hate thing because

you have to be in the rhythm

730

:

of the show to appreciate this.

731

:

But it's also very funny to consider what

the show previously was, which was like

732

:

the very grouty and real, which is Romo.

733

:

Lampkin speaks in nothing but like,

who cares about subtext anymore?

734

:

I, a guest character that's come

out of the ether have the complete

735

:

understanding to an almost godlike

degree of every single character

736

:

and every single theme of the show.

737

:

I'm gonna say them out loud and

738

:

Xhafer: just, he's watching

Battlestar Galactica.

739

:

Ryan: watching it too.

740

:

Xhafer: yeah, he's watching it with us.

741

:

Ryan: And it's insane.

742

:

And it's to a degree of almost

annoying that every line he says

743

:

in this episode is just, this is

the subtext of the scene set aloud.

744

:

This is the metaphor

that we're going with.

745

:

This is the motif.

746

:

This is the theme.

747

:

Like he is.

748

:

A bizarre concoction for the script.

749

:

Like everything about him is a

quirk and yet I fucking love it.

750

:

And you team him up with Lee,

the world's wettest blanket.

751

:

And it's such a great dynamic.

752

:

Like Lee's, just like you telling

me to fly you over to Colonial One.

753

:

Why me?

754

:

I'm just the best pilot of

the fucking fleet, but why me?

755

:

And and he just puts, he just roasts him.

756

:

Like Leah dama, especially out

of anyone, needs to be roasted.

757

:

And they're like, and the

writers realize, oh crap.

758

:

None of our main characters can

roast Lee anymore 'cause they've

759

:

been doing it for with no results.

760

:

We need someone from the outside.

761

:

We need a walking plot

device called Romo Lampkin.

762

:

Laura: he's kind of like

an audience stand-in.

763

:

'cause like the audience has all of this

360 view that none of the characters has.

764

:

And I, I think I said this

to Jair in a recent episode

765

:

that like, I'm getting tired.

766

:

'cause I'm like, we know that Gais

Baltar is a bad person 'cause we

767

:

have the audience view and we can

see everything is very, very bad.

768

:

But not all of the characters have

that like window into his life.

769

:

And so it's nice to have

somebody walk in and be like,

770

:

yeah, this is a fucking idiot.

771

:

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna like manipulate

him a little bit just for you guys.

772

:

'cause you're, you're very

distressed right now, Laura,

773

:

and I'm gonna do this for you.

774

:

Ryan: And the way he speaks.

775

:

See, this is the benefit of

what I mean by the the in.

776

:

If you're in the rhythm of Battlestar,

the way he speaks in another series,

777

:

in another context could be Hamfisted,

could be awkward, could be artificial.

778

:

But in the DNA of this show,

from the very beginning we have

779

:

characters speak like this.

780

:

Head six exists as a character who

speaks almost exactly like this.

781

:

So when you see another character

who comes in and they're just like

782

:

this too, it doesn't feel like, okay,

someone went a bit crazy on the script.

783

:

'cause we have people in this

show literally walk in and they

784

:

have the knowledge of the writers

and express it in a way that's so

785

:

blunt that you have to admire it.

786

:

Almost like, yeah, Romo Lampkin just

looking at this Lima and he somehow knows

787

:

like the entire dynamic of the fleet.

788

:

He's just like, I know everything.

789

:

He's like, okay, thank you.

790

:

You are a lawyer with a cat.

791

:

Xhafer: It's, it's almost like, and

obviously he's not, but it's almost

792

:

like he's a cue from Star Trek

793

:

Laura: Mm.

794

:

Xhafer: in a handful of ways.

795

:

Like he shows up out of nowhere

is instantly very important.

796

:

Knows way more about everything

that he has any right to.

797

:

And just is there to fuck

with the characters and make

798

:

them dance how he feels.

799

:

They need to be dancing.

800

:

And that's, I mean, that's the

level of chaos that a cue will

801

:

bring to an episode of Star Trek.

802

:

And that's the level of chaos that

Roma Lambkin is bringing to the show.

803

:

It, it's very different

reasonings behind it.

804

:

And obviously, you know, he's like a dude.

805

:

So, you know, there's no superpowers

or nothing, but uh, I, I, I just,

806

:

it's an interesting parallel.

807

:

They go to board a Raptor,

captain Kelly tells Lee to stay

808

:

on board, and Lee's like, come on.

809

:

That meant no flying.

810

:

Not that I can't leave the ship, you

know, like this is different obviously.

811

:

Don't worry about it.

812

:

Captain Kelly also.

813

:

Hi,

814

:

Ryan: I'm just sweating.

815

:

I'm sweating profusely and just pulling

up my collar and in a shivery voice

816

:

saying, please don't get on the shiv Lee.

817

:

And he even says, I, he even

basically says, I like you.

818

:

Please don't get on the ship.

819

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

820

:

Laura: I mean the actor they picked

for Captain Kelly does look like a

821

:

dude who just sweats sometimes to me.

822

:

Especially in like a uniform.

823

:

This dude is sweating.

824

:

Xhafer: We haven't seen him

since like season two, right?

825

:

Like it's been a long time since

826

:

Ryan: I thought we, I thought we

saw him at the start of this season.

827

:

I thought he was one of the

828

:

people on

829

:

the

830

:

Xhafer: might've been on, he

831

:

Laura: Just like, just like a minute.

832

:

I don't think we've had a lot

of Captain Kelly, but I think

833

:

he has been in season three.

834

:

Yeah.

835

:

Ryan: Yeah.

836

:

And this is the joy of having minor

guest stars recur throughout the

837

:

show where, you know, you could say,

Hey, it's been a while since we've

838

:

seen him, but you know who he is.

839

:

Laura: Yeah.

840

:

Ryan: know what his deal is like.

841

:

He's a very simple character, so

we'll talk more about him as we go

842

:

through this episode, but like he's a

very simple character and everything

843

:

that they do with him makes sense.

844

:

Laura: Yeah.

845

:

I'm honestly, if I was not watching

Battlestar Galactica for a podcast,

846

:

I'm not sure I would know who

Captain Kelly was, like, I'm

847

:

not sure it would've registered.

848

:

Xhafer: he's had like five lines,

the whole show so far, but he is

849

:

been in probably a dozen episodes

850

:

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

851

:

Xhafer: over three seasons.

852

:

The last time we saw him, I just checked

real quick, was he was standing in for

853

:

Gada during the uh, duke Cap Rescue.

854

:

Ryan: Yep.

855

:

Thought so.

856

:

Laura: So that's been a freaking minute.

857

:

Yeah.

858

:

Hmm.

859

:

Xhafer: they're like getting on board.

860

:

The cat runs out and when they go to try

and find the cat, Tyrell finds the bomb

861

:

that's planted underneath the raptor

that they've been showing us dramatically

862

:

for a minute.

863

:

Ryan: How convenient.

864

:

What a way to find the bomb.

865

:

You asked earlier, why is the cat here?

866

:

We can do some, we get a whole

speeches about like the wife and

867

:

whatever, but the cat's here so we

could find a bomb in a way that is

868

:

stupid and makes you say, remember

when this show was deadly serious?

869

:

Like the first season was

like, we have no water.

870

:

What are we gonna do?

871

:

Now it's Katz.

872

:

Find the device of the episode.

873

:

Meow is so awesomely stupid.

874

:

Laura: The way that this cat escapes,

the way that we've seen this cat

875

:

in the scenes, it's like, this man

is just carrying a cat under his

876

:

arm everywhere he goes, because.

877

:

Ryan: Yes.

878

:

Laura: Theirs doesn't seem

to be like a cat carrier.

879

:

Cats famously hate that.

880

:

People, they hate being

carried like just under your

881

:

arm.

882

:

Ryan: has his cat in his briefcase.

883

:

He puts it in his bag with all of

his law stuff and stolen goods.

884

:

Laura: I'm sure that they love that too.

885

:

Ryan: They love finding bombs.

886

:

That's what cats are good at.

887

:

Laura: Yeah.

888

:

Bomb sniffing cats.

889

:

Ryan: seriously, it's such whiplash

because I haven't watched an episode of

890

:

BSG since I was on last, so it's been a

season and it is so stark how different

891

:

the show is in terms of tone in that way.

892

:

Like this episode is trying

to be deadly serious.

893

:

Very, very heady, very emotional.

894

:

You know, Romo, Lampkin sang all

these profound things, but we

895

:

also have a mad bomber plot that

we aren't that interested in.

896

:

And so to cut that corner, I don't know

what happens if they found the bomb.

897

:

Because Romo Lampkin has a cat's.

898

:

And it's like, could you imagine if

they did this in season one or two?

899

:

Not at all.

900

:

Absolutely.

901

:

Bonkers.

902

:

Laura: I have so many

questions about the cat.

903

:

Like how many other cats are in the fleet?

904

:

Like what's its name?

905

:

Are cats gonna go extinct now?

906

:

Like, are there enough cats that we can

breed on this fleet that we keep cats?

907

:

Ryan: Rosalyn's now.

908

:

Got a cat counter right up

there with the population.

909

:

Laura: and she's like

910

:

Ryan: one question mark.

911

:

Laura: mark.

912

:

Ryan: Uh,

913

:

Xhafer: there's probably actually

a handful of cats going around.

914

:

I would expect there to not be a lot

of dogs, but I would expect there to

915

:

be a fair amount of cats just due to

like how cats tend to be on ships.

916

:

Just like how ships exist currently.

917

:

It's very common for you to have cats on

ships because they help with pest control

918

:

and making sure that things don't travel

with you from port to port, that you don't

919

:

want traveling with you from port to port.

920

:

Cats are good for that.

921

:

Ryan: We had a picture of Kat

in this episode just talking

922

:

about cats we had in the show.

923

:

Um,

924

:

the character of Kat remembered them.

925

:

They

926

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

927

:

Ryan: Look, we do have a

dog in the show already.

928

:

He name's Hilo.

929

:

He's a big Labrador

930

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

931

:

Mm-hmm.

932

:

Ryan: and we have a giant pussy.

933

:

His name's Balta.

934

:

Um, so we have, we have those in our cast.

935

:

Xhafer: A practical zoo.

936

:

After this we cut over.

937

:

The dad admiral is real upset because

Lee almost died and he can't lose all

938

:

of his kids, so he needs to do better.

939

:

Yep.

940

:

Laura: it's Lee's fault that, that he,

well, I mean, it kind of is though Lee's

941

:

fault that he almost died because like

942

:

Xhafer: No, no.

943

:

We actually, I don't think we talked

about this that much in that episode.

944

:

It is directly Lee's fault.

945

:

Kara dies and it mirrors exactly.

946

:

Kara being at fault for Lee's

brother dying because Kara

947

:

should have been grounded.

948

:

We did talk about it.

949

:

Okay,

950

:

good.

951

:

Ryan: Irony.

952

:

Hmm.

953

:

Have a think about that.

954

:

Laura: But also if he, he would've died

in this episode, it would've also been

955

:

his fault because he's literally, his job

is security and he's doing none securing.

956

:

Ryan: even that hidden.

957

:

It wasn't even that hidden.

958

:

You could see the light blinking,

like it wasn't like inside of a thing.

959

:

It was literally on the

outside of the ship.

960

:

It was right there.

961

:

And what I find so tiring about Lee and

Daddy dama arguments is like I want to

962

:

at some point agree with Lee just for

the sake of variety, but nine times

963

:

outta 10, I agree with Daddy Adama.

964

:

And it's so bizarre because this

series also wants you to question the

965

:

parental wisdom that's at play, you

know, with Rosalyn, with Adam dama.

966

:

But this, the issue that comes from

that is they are right more times

967

:

than not, especially compared to

the younger characters like Lee.

968

:

And it just.

969

:

I guess I kind of offset Rosalyn by

having Tory be, just be so evilly

970

:

incompetent that you just can't

help but be like, oh, I guess.

971

:

I guess, you know, Tory is not good.

972

:

I don't know, but it's just so

funny that like Lee's just like

973

:

my grief is so unimaginable.

974

:

You can't imagine my grief dad who's

lost so many people in his life.

975

:

You can't imagine what it's like.

976

:

For me,

977

:

Laura: Literally my brother.

978

:

Yeah.

979

:

Yes.

980

:

No, he does need to do a

better job because he should

981

:

have looked under that ship.

982

:

Like, duh.

983

:

This is literally how it happened before.

984

:

Bomb on Raptor is how the

first lawyer got like,

985

:

Ryan: it wasn't even a new trick.

986

:

Laura: yeah.

987

:

Ryan: Like it wasn't even a

new type of assassination.

988

:

It was the same.

989

:

Laura: better.

990

:

You're right.

991

:

I just, I, I do find myself empathizing

a lot more with Adam and Roslyn than I

992

:

think maybe the show had wanted me to.

993

:

I don't know.

994

:

I don't know what that says about me.

995

:

Xhafer: The deck crew has a

meeting to talk about the bomb.

996

:

Laura: yes.

997

:

Very interesting meeting.

998

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

999

:

Kelly is upset about Rick

Shaw Baltar's lawyer around.

:

00:40:40,958 --> 00:40:42,638

They had Rick Shaw's on the colonies.

:

00:40:43,928 --> 00:40:46,763

That's kind of a weird specific

cultural reference to make.

:

00:40:47,558 --> 00:40:48,128

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:49,343

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:40:49,568 --> 00:40:49,718

Xhafer: Eh,

:

00:40:50,408 --> 00:40:50,708

Ryan: yeah.

:

00:40:50,708 --> 00:40:51,158

Bizarre.

:

00:40:51,188 --> 00:40:53,108

Now let's keep referring

to Greek God names.

:

00:40:53,558 --> 00:40:53,948

Yeah.

:

00:40:53,948 --> 00:40:54,458

Um,

:

00:40:57,578 --> 00:40:58,298

Xhafer: Fair.

:

00:41:00,428 --> 00:41:01,118

Ryan: yeah.

:

00:41:01,118 --> 00:41:04,796

But while we look at our papers with

the uh, corn is cutoff 'cause we

:

00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:06,296

are different in science fiction.

:

00:41:06,806 --> 00:41:07,106

Yeah.

:

00:41:08,021 --> 00:41:11,231

They're planet that don't have

pockets, but they do have Rick Shores.

:

00:41:11,291 --> 00:41:11,831

Awesome.

:

00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:15,007

Xhafer: Uh, Callie

thinks it's the silence.

:

00:41:15,337 --> 00:41:16,507

Athena disagrees.

:

00:41:19,567 --> 00:41:22,597

Uh, So there's a deleted

scene in this episode

:

00:41:22,912 --> 00:41:23,092

Ryan: What?

:

00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:24,847

Laura: tell me about it.

:

00:41:24,937 --> 00:41:28,507

Xhafer: and it's of, it's

of the more noteworthy ones.

:

00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:32,464

Uh, So I have a short

description of it here.

:

00:41:32,764 --> 00:41:33,754

It's related to this.

:

00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:38,374

It takes place after this and it's

a Athena and call on the hangar

:

00:41:38,374 --> 00:41:40,144

deck after everyone else leaves.

:

00:41:40,909 --> 00:41:44,539

Athena asked Callie why she

accused her of being the bomber.

:

00:41:44,899 --> 00:41:48,349

And Callie's, like, I didn't

make, I didn't directly accuse

:

00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:50,209

you so much as I just said.

:

00:41:50,209 --> 00:41:51,019

Cylons.

:

00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:55,949

Athena responds that she didn't

accuse or imply that Callie is the

:

00:41:55,949 --> 00:41:59,639

bomber, even though Callie was the

last deckhand to inspect the Raptor.

:

00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,519

So throws a little shade at Callie there.

:

00:42:03,299 --> 00:42:06,959

Athena allows Callie to take her

gun and hold it to her chest.

:

00:42:07,555 --> 00:42:10,795

Athena states, she knows why

Callie, despite her intense hatred

:

00:42:10,795 --> 00:42:12,325

for silence, won't shoot her.

:

00:42:12,685 --> 00:42:15,955

It's because she knows Athena loves

her husband, her daughter in Galactica.

:

00:42:16,435 --> 00:42:20,395

Callie, according to Athena, would never

dare to take a child's mother away.

:

00:42:21,355 --> 00:42:22,705

There's a few tense moments.

:

00:42:22,705 --> 00:42:27,205

Athena grabs the gun, points it at

Callie's head and states in unambiguous

:

00:42:27,205 --> 00:42:31,315

terms that if Callie's discovered to be

the bomber, Athena will kill her herself.

:

00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:33,030

Ryan: Oh, okay.

:

00:42:33,845 --> 00:42:34,065

Laura: wow.

:

00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:36,250

Ryan: Lot of reasons why that's cut, huh?

:

00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,409

Xhafer: There's a, there's a

handful of reasons why that's cut.

:

00:42:39,769 --> 00:42:42,289

Um, obviously you don't want,

there's a little bit of shade thrown

:

00:42:42,289 --> 00:42:43,909

at Cali that doesn't need to be.

:

00:42:44,659 --> 00:42:48,345

Uh, So that's kind of just like

a point, pointless plot point.

:

00:42:48,835 --> 00:42:53,765

it's a little, I mean, it's a little

dramatic probably a little overdramatic

:

00:42:54,075 --> 00:43:00,315

but I do like the callback to Callie

shooting Boomer and having the imagery

:

00:43:00,315 --> 00:43:02,115

of her holding the gun on Athena now.

:

00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:04,560

Ryan: But they already did that

well with a line of dialogue

:

00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:06,540

in the scene that we did get.

:

00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:10,350

Like Callie makes a reference of the fact,

like, not all of us have a second chance.

:

00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:12,300

And then she looks and says, or third.

:

00:43:12,945 --> 00:43:15,855

You know, and it's, it's good because

this is, you know, a character

:

00:43:15,855 --> 00:43:19,569

who has killed a Sharon before

who says this line very pointedly.

:

00:43:19,569 --> 00:43:22,119

So it's like, okay, that makes sense.

:

00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:23,499

That's a good, that's good enough.

:

00:43:23,529 --> 00:43:23,949

You know?

:

00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:28,059

And so this big scene that also

in an episode about fathers and

:

00:43:28,059 --> 00:43:31,389

sons, that scene's also very much

about mothers, which is like,

:

00:43:31,389 --> 00:43:32,949

okay, you have to, you have to

:

00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:33,669

reign in.

:

00:43:34,149 --> 00:43:35,409

We have to reign in our themes.

:

00:43:35,409 --> 00:43:39,429

We've got a character who's telling

us them aloud with Ro ro with Lampkin.

:

00:43:40,209 --> 00:43:42,279

Um, yeah, this was a good scene though.

:

00:43:42,279 --> 00:43:45,969

Like, I liked Kelly's whole point of

view about like, he's like upset with

:

00:43:45,969 --> 00:43:49,539

all of the tensions going on, and

like, we're gonna have to deal with

:

00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:52,839

BTA who's clearly guilty, and we should

just fucking get rid of this guy.

:

00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:54,489

He sucks, which is true.

:

00:43:54,489 --> 00:43:55,089

He does suck.

:

00:43:55,089 --> 00:43:57,609

Like they, they have a little bit

of the moral quandary of like, why

:

00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:59,769

are we even doing these trials?

:

00:44:00,534 --> 00:44:04,234

Who gives a fuck gets brought up

a couple of times in this episode,

:

00:44:04,234 --> 00:44:05,704

like, what's even the point?

:

00:44:05,764 --> 00:44:06,964

Are we just fanning flames?

:

00:44:06,964 --> 00:44:10,144

Like it's, it's all, it's all

valuable stuff to ponder about.

:

00:44:10,144 --> 00:44:15,124

But yeah, it's, it's a nice scene and

it gives Kelly a voice in an episode.

:

00:44:15,124 --> 00:44:18,244

Like, he's like, I have this strict

opinion, which is going to be important.

:

00:44:18,652 --> 00:44:21,382

Laura: I do think this scene

might've been where I thought that

:

00:44:21,382 --> 00:44:23,302

the bomb builder was Callie though,

:

00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:24,352

Ryan: Mm-hmm hmm.

:

00:44:24,622 --> 00:44:28,222

Laura: because the way she

was so quick to jacquees,

:

00:44:29,032 --> 00:44:35,692

The silos and I, I wondered if she was

like actually accusing Sharon or just be

:

00:44:35,692 --> 00:44:43,279

like, you know something and you're not

sharing it, so you're just as guilty,

:

00:44:43,579 --> 00:44:45,439

like you have to know about other cys.

:

00:44:45,604 --> 00:44:48,394

Ryan: and she does point

to the silent method of.

:

00:44:48,934 --> 00:44:53,374

Ruining the fleet in the past that Sharon

was, the previous, Sharon was guilty of

:

00:44:53,374 --> 00:44:57,424

like, they come in, be like us, disrupt

us from the inside, and then take us out.

:

00:44:57,424 --> 00:45:00,364

Like that is something that's

happened in the show where the

:

00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:04,144

interesting angle is, is Callie is

also very defensive about Bolder.

:

00:45:04,804 --> 00:45:08,194

That's something she's like, I, she

doesn't like all this smack talk.

:

00:45:08,194 --> 00:45:10,594

It's like, Hey, he's

not that bad of a guy.

:

00:45:10,594 --> 00:45:13,714

Like, hey, can, like, she tries to

give a little bit of like defense to

:

00:45:13,714 --> 00:45:16,084

Balta, which is like, no one wants that.

:

00:45:16,726 --> 00:45:19,366

Laura: Well, we know she

read the manifesto from

:

00:45:19,831 --> 00:45:20,521

Ryan: Exactly.

:

00:45:20,521 --> 00:45:24,361

She, she, she, you know, she

loves cult, cult of personality

:

00:45:24,361 --> 00:45:25,441

stuff, you know, that's

:

00:45:25,516 --> 00:45:27,706

Laura: She's drinking the Kool-Aid.

:

00:45:28,369 --> 00:45:31,489

Xhafer: Romo asks who he has

to bribe to see capper ca six.

:

00:45:32,535 --> 00:45:33,375

Good question.

:

00:45:33,975 --> 00:45:38,385

Lee meets with Rosalyn

and Tory and dad is there.

:

00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:42,830

They determine that Roman Romo

can interview Caprica six, but

:

00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,160

it's gonna be under the same

conditions that the prosecution did.

:

00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:50,450

So that's the interrogation room

actively being monitored, including

:

00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:54,020

by one of the judges because it adamo

was present for the previous one.

:

00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:58,230

I'm guessing that was

before he was chosen.

:

00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,290

They don't expressly say that,

but that would make sense.

:

00:46:01,605 --> 00:46:01,895

Laura: Sure.

:

00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:08,820

Xhafer: Uh, so Tori can't find some

files and Rosalyn can't find her glasses.

:

00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:09,465

Ryan: Hmm.

:

00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,440

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:46:10,755 --> 00:46:11,145

Ryan: Odd.

:

00:46:12,078 --> 00:46:12,438

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:46:12,573 --> 00:46:15,273

Ryan: Just weird that this is

being brought up all of a sudden.

:

00:46:15,273 --> 00:46:17,973

I, I'm sure it won't get into

some quirky speech later.

:

00:46:19,083 --> 00:46:19,938

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

:

00:46:20,028 --> 00:46:22,788

And it was weird that in the

like little vignette in between

:

00:46:22,788 --> 00:46:26,118

where Baltar is, is getting ready

to write down his crazy talk.

:

00:46:26,538 --> 00:46:28,008

He can't find his pen either,

:

00:46:28,268 --> 00:46:28,558

Ryan: Yeah,

:

00:46:30,223 --> 00:46:30,443

Laura: Huh.

:

00:46:30,633 --> 00:46:30,723

Ryan: Huh.

:

00:46:31,593 --> 00:46:32,943

Odd, weird.

:

00:46:33,731 --> 00:46:38,861

Xhafer: Romo goes to interview six and

opens with, so y'all were banging, right?

:

00:46:39,056 --> 00:46:39,476

Ryan: Hmm.

:

00:46:40,658 --> 00:46:42,128

Xhafer: Just like right into it.

:

00:46:47,802 --> 00:46:48,222

Ryan: As you

:

00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:48,422

should.

:

00:46:49,329 --> 00:46:52,479

Xhafer: this is her response to

bringing up his name initially.

:

00:46:52,689 --> 00:46:56,679

This is, this is the start of their

standing at this conversation.

:

00:46:57,459 --> 00:46:58,959

And Rosalyn is pleased.

:

00:46:59,829 --> 00:47:01,209

You know, she's like, chef's kiss.

:

00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:02,379

This is gonna work out for us.

:

00:47:02,379 --> 00:47:03,069

She hates him.

:

00:47:03,459 --> 00:47:07,359

But this is not how this

stays for very long.

:

00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:12,229

Because Romo and Capric assist

begin to discuss love and loss.

:

00:47:12,619 --> 00:47:14,659

He gives six guises missing pen.

:

00:47:14,909 --> 00:47:15,329

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:20,179

Xhafer: He tells her on the pain of

the loss of love that they share.

:

00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:23,719

He asks if Cylon love

hurts, like human love.

:

00:47:23,959 --> 00:47:28,649

Why someone would make that decision

to program you that way to be able

:

00:47:28,649 --> 00:47:30,509

to experience this type of pain.

:

00:47:31,439 --> 00:47:36,809

And six flips around here so quick

that it gives Rosalyn and Adam a

:

00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:39,479

whiplash from the observation booth.

:

00:47:40,195 --> 00:47:42,360

Ryan: It's probably the best scene

of the show, of the, of the episode.

:

00:47:43,315 --> 00:47:45,085

In my opinion, it's an excellent

:

00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:45,930

Xhafer: it's fantastic.

:

00:47:46,345 --> 00:47:52,225

Ryan: What I really appreciate about it

is this is one of the few times, if ever

:

00:47:52,225 --> 00:47:56,875

in the show, another character has spoken

to six the way she speaks to other people.

:

00:47:57,425 --> 00:48:01,705

This is often the stuff that she

brings up and uh, talks about, whether

:

00:48:01,705 --> 00:48:03,265

it's Caprica or the other version.

:

00:48:03,265 --> 00:48:05,215

Like this is often a recurring thing.

:

00:48:05,635 --> 00:48:08,995

So it's kind of interesting to

see someone else do it to her for

:

00:48:08,995 --> 00:48:10,975

a change and as a manipulation.

:

00:48:11,185 --> 00:48:14,305

That's something about it too,

is it's a clear manipulation.

:

00:48:14,305 --> 00:48:18,715

We know it Rosalyn and all that, know,

everyone knows it in some way or another,

:

00:48:18,715 --> 00:48:23,305

but it speaks to some sort of truth that's

at the center of six's character that

:

00:48:23,305 --> 00:48:25,435

we have seen for the last three seasons.

:

00:48:26,125 --> 00:48:28,195

It's just awesome stuff.

:

00:48:28,225 --> 00:48:31,345

And like, you know, everything he's

saying about bullar is like, wrapped up

:

00:48:31,345 --> 00:48:38,065

in lies or obfuscations or embellishments

of, of things, especially as, as BTA

:

00:48:38,395 --> 00:48:40,345

represented himself in this episode.

:

00:48:40,345 --> 00:48:44,605

You're like, oh, bta is he, he, he's

like, she's an angle we can work.

:

00:48:45,355 --> 00:48:49,285

So even more emphasizing

like BTA does not care.

:

00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,950

Her in anyway.

:

00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:53,590

So this whole back and forth is wonderful.

:

00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:55,390

Even when you think

about a few scenes ago,

:

00:48:55,887 --> 00:49:00,327

Laura: I guess the thing that

makes me so mad about this scene is

:

00:49:00,327 --> 00:49:06,357

like, I just want the girls on the

show to have some standards like.

:

00:49:07,617 --> 00:49:08,697

Falter sucks.

:

00:49:08,697 --> 00:49:11,577

And she starts out knowing he sucks.

:

00:49:12,057 --> 00:49:13,407

He super sucks,

:

00:49:13,857 --> 00:49:14,277

Ryan: yeah,

:

00:49:14,547 --> 00:49:19,497

Laura: and yet she doesn't want,

and it's weird because it's like,

:

00:49:19,497 --> 00:49:22,767

yeah, she, she did the genocide.

:

00:49:22,827 --> 00:49:24,447

Ryan: killed a baby in the first episode.

:

00:49:24,447 --> 00:49:24,657

Yeah.

:

00:49:24,807 --> 00:49:25,947

Laura: yeah, yeah.

:

00:49:26,337 --> 00:49:27,087

But I'm like, I,

:

00:49:28,167 --> 00:49:28,257

Xhafer: a

:

00:49:28,527 --> 00:49:32,937

Laura: I still want her to have some

justice for like his walking all over her.

:

00:49:34,137 --> 00:49:37,077

Like, I don't know why I feel that way.

:

00:49:37,107 --> 00:49:38,217

I just do.

:

00:49:38,787 --> 00:49:43,107

And you know, when, then when you couple

that with like watching, watching this go

:

00:49:43,107 --> 00:49:49,827

down with like watching Dee go back to Lee

again and some of the weird stuff Callie's

:

00:49:49,827 --> 00:49:55,197

done and then, I mean, a lot of Starbucks

problems are like her own creation,

:

00:49:55,467 --> 00:49:56,397

Ryan: It's actually kind of interesting.

:

00:49:56,397 --> 00:49:59,637

It's in the reverse with Starbuck because

it's like Anders is the one that gets

:

00:49:59,637 --> 00:50:03,327

all of the stuff that the women do in

this show, like Anders gets it, which

:

00:50:03,327 --> 00:50:06,837

is, I don't know if that's

just by accident or on purpose,

:

00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:08,757

but it's something to chew on.

:

00:50:08,847 --> 00:50:11,217

Another thing about this scene

that's also just interesting

:

00:50:11,217 --> 00:50:12,597

to me, like the way it's shot.

:

00:50:13,527 --> 00:50:17,157

And even some of the lines just like,

again, like, you know, if you are into

:

00:50:17,157 --> 00:50:21,507

the rhythm and the ticks of these writers

made me think of when Cavel first showed

:

00:50:21,507 --> 00:50:23,457

up and started talking to the chief.

:

00:50:23,457 --> 00:50:26,607

Like when you look back on that

scene, that's all manipulation.

:

00:50:26,607 --> 00:50:28,227

Like he's feeding him

what he wants to hear.

:

00:50:28,377 --> 00:50:32,967

And it is just fun whenever the writers

have these scenes of two people sitting

:

00:50:32,967 --> 00:50:35,187

in a room clearly opposed to one another.

:

00:50:35,187 --> 00:50:37,917

And then the other one sweet talks

them into a different opinion like

:

00:50:38,217 --> 00:50:42,447

this is some of the best writing of of

BSG consistently throughout the show.

:

00:50:42,447 --> 00:50:43,797

Is this type of

:

00:50:43,797 --> 00:50:44,397

writing,

:

00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:49,099

Laura: I just want Caprica six to

get justice for her hurt feelings.

:

00:50:49,099 --> 00:50:51,739

'cause he's a big bastard and I hate him.

:

00:50:54,014 --> 00:50:55,564

Xhafer: maybe that will happen.

:

00:50:56,009 --> 00:50:56,789

Ryan: uh, Objection.

:

00:50:56,789 --> 00:50:57,719

Have you considered that?

:

00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,739

He's just a little guy.

:

00:50:59,309 --> 00:51:00,509

He's just a little guy.

:

00:51:01,859 --> 00:51:02,639

He's just a little guy.

:

00:51:03,509 --> 00:51:04,739

Done nothing.

:

00:51:08,789 --> 00:51:10,934

Have you considered that he hurts too?

:

00:51:13,214 --> 00:51:13,664

Xhafer: no.

:

00:51:14,264 --> 00:51:20,444

Over in the pilots galley, Lee and

Romo have a drink discussing why

:

00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:23,534

we do anything at all our flaws.

:

00:51:23,894 --> 00:51:28,274

Our demons, compassion, fighting

against our nature and logic.

:

00:51:29,091 --> 00:51:34,161

Another really good scene in an

episode of really good scenes,

:

00:51:34,941 --> 00:51:35,451

Ryan: Yes.

:

00:51:36,321 --> 00:51:41,211

This is one of those scenes in which the

character speaks nothing but subtext.

:

00:51:41,241 --> 00:51:43,761

So you have to be on board with that.

:

00:51:43,791 --> 00:51:48,321

Like it is a whole scene of like,

I'm not going to really pretend

:

00:51:48,321 --> 00:51:51,741

like I'm a normal character that

exists in the world of naturalism.

:

00:51:51,741 --> 00:51:56,781

I'm going to be an ethereal God who

wanders through your character arc

:

00:51:56,781 --> 00:51:58,701

and mocks it and or critiques it.

:

00:51:58,701 --> 00:51:59,901

Also, I knew your granddad.

:

00:51:59,901 --> 00:52:01,131

I'm gonna bring that into.

:

00:52:01,656 --> 00:52:01,946

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:02,051 --> 00:52:05,486

Lest we forget the files make

it over from Colonial one.

:

00:52:06,026 --> 00:52:09,686

They're fine, but the door isn't,

as a guard realizes something's

:

00:52:09,686 --> 00:52:14,036

amiss when they finds a bolt on

the ground and saves Lampkins life.

:

00:52:14,508 --> 00:52:14,728

Ryan: Mm,

:

00:52:14,908 --> 00:52:20,038

Laura: yeah, I, I did enjoy the,

like, I don't know, obfuscation

:

00:52:20,098 --> 00:52:23,068

of FI's got the files right?

:

00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:27,718

And he's just one, one guy

ready to hand over these files

:

00:52:27,748 --> 00:52:28,738

and they're like, no, no, no.

:

00:52:29,218 --> 00:52:30,928

We gotta check these files.

:

00:52:31,528 --> 00:52:32,548

You gotta check them.

:

00:52:33,148 --> 00:52:35,998

And then it turns out it's the,

the door panel right behind

:

00:52:36,013 --> 00:52:36,523

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:41,543

They even set up, they even, they even

set in the scene that uh, Kelly, you

:

00:52:41,543 --> 00:52:45,143

know, x-rayed these files, cleared

these files before we sent them over.

:

00:52:45,143 --> 00:52:48,593

So even that's seeded in the brain

from when we get to where we do later.

:

00:52:48,653 --> 00:52:50,933

Like his name is popping

up a lot This episode.

:

00:52:51,623 --> 00:52:51,863

Laura: Uhhuh.

:

00:52:52,313 --> 00:52:52,703

Yeah.

:

00:52:52,758 --> 00:52:53,048

Yeah.

:

00:52:53,743 --> 00:52:57,798

Xhafer: Lee goes to visit Lambkin

in Med Bay where the pile of stuff

:

00:52:57,798 --> 00:53:01,608

he stole from everyone is revealed

and he explains his own demons.

:

00:53:02,439 --> 00:53:06,039

He almost took Lee's photo of Kara,

but didn't figuring he suffered enough.

:

00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:11,229

But he's got Baltar's pen, rosalyn's

glasses, adama's button that we saw

:

00:53:11,229 --> 00:53:14,259

him playing with his uniform and

was missing a couple scenes ago.

:

00:53:14,464 --> 00:53:14,814

Laura: Uhhuh.

:

00:53:15,669 --> 00:53:19,509

Xhafer: And a blasting cap

cover from Captain Kelly.

:

00:53:22,404 --> 00:53:25,614

Ryan: Oh, We didn't get to discuss

One of my favorite little interactions

:

00:53:25,614 --> 00:53:30,981

was when Lee pressed Lampkin on if

the story about his, lover was true.

:

00:53:31,581 --> 00:53:33,201

Like, was any of that true?

:

00:53:33,771 --> 00:53:36,141

And he lowers his sunglasses.

:

00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:39,321

'cause that's the thing too, like

Romo, Lampkin takes off his sunglasses

:

00:53:39,321 --> 00:53:40,701

when he's trying to connect.

:

00:53:41,481 --> 00:53:42,081

With people.

:

00:53:42,081 --> 00:53:47,031

Like he did, he took the dramatic

sunglasses off when he talks to six uh,

:

00:53:47,031 --> 00:53:50,451

and then he puts them on dramatically

and the camera zooms in, in a comedic

:

00:53:50,481 --> 00:53:53,931

zoom, which they even include in the

opening credits, which was very funny.

:

00:53:54,591 --> 00:53:56,301

But, um, or the previous, yeah.

:

00:53:56,331 --> 00:53:58,234

But uh, I like that whole interaction.

:

00:53:58,234 --> 00:54:01,264

It's very Garrick to me, where

it's just like, was any of it true?

:

00:54:01,264 --> 00:54:02,434

Oh, all of it was true.

:

00:54:02,464 --> 00:54:03,124

Even the lies.

:

00:54:03,124 --> 00:54:04,084

Oh, especially the lies.

:

00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:05,524

Like, it's that type of vibe.

:

00:54:06,184 --> 00:54:06,844

Um, yeah.

:

00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:08,314

And it's like, is anything true?

:

00:54:08,314 --> 00:54:10,954

And even in this speech in the

Med Bay where he's like going over

:

00:54:10,954 --> 00:54:14,794

all the things he stole, he keeps

changing the reasons he steals.

:

00:54:15,484 --> 00:54:15,774

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:54:16,825 --> 00:54:22,710

he made such a big deal of the speech

about the wife or whatever, but.

:

00:54:23,696 --> 00:54:27,236

I think he told Rosalyn that his

wife had died and the cat was

:

00:54:27,236 --> 00:54:27,806

hers.

:

00:54:28,676 --> 00:54:30,926

And I think he told six that his wife had

:

00:54:30,926 --> 00:54:31,796

left him

:

00:54:31,871 --> 00:54:32,291

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

:

00:54:33,331 --> 00:54:37,706

Laura: and, and just like nothing

is real and I wonder 'cause we

:

00:54:37,706 --> 00:54:41,186

don't see the cat after did this,

did the cat die in the explosion?

:

00:54:41,831 --> 00:54:43,481

Ryan: I you were gonna

say, was the cat real?

:

00:54:43,541 --> 00:54:46,541

And that the cat was

inside of all of our heads.

:

00:54:47,381 --> 00:54:47,771

How

:

00:54:47,816 --> 00:54:49,226

Laura: cat is the memories we made along

:

00:54:49,296 --> 00:54:49,586

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:54:49,591 --> 00:54:49,751

Yeah.

:

00:54:49,781 --> 00:54:52,961

How insane would it have been if

the cat got picked up by head six?

:

00:54:52,961 --> 00:54:54,431

That would be an insane thing.

:

00:54:54,491 --> 00:54:58,031

Um, didn't happen, but I would

love it as an insane choice.

:

00:54:58,091 --> 00:55:00,371

But, um, why?

:

00:55:00,401 --> 00:55:00,581

Okay.

:

00:55:00,581 --> 00:55:01,241

We talk about this.

:

00:55:01,241 --> 00:55:02,801

We all like, we all have the vibe.

:

00:55:02,801 --> 00:55:06,161

We like Lampkin, but

he's so clearly shady.

:

00:55:06,251 --> 00:55:07,961

He literally is wearing shades.

:

00:55:07,961 --> 00:55:09,071

That's how shady he is.

:

00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:10,841

And yet we're all still talking about him.

:

00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:13,871

Like, oh, he seems like a

very up, up, upstanding guy.

:

00:55:13,871 --> 00:55:14,921

Relatively speaking.

:

00:55:14,921 --> 00:55:17,141

Like he wants to represent fucking bullar.

:

00:55:17,951 --> 00:55:18,371

Like,

:

00:55:19,361 --> 00:55:20,381

Xhafer: For the glory.

:

00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:21,941

Ryan: and for the glory yet.

:

00:55:21,941 --> 00:55:22,901

I like him.

:

00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:24,701

I like the, I like the dude.

:

00:55:24,701 --> 00:55:29,081

He seems like he's, it's, I think a part

of it is he's just so opposed to Lee.

:

00:55:29,906 --> 00:55:35,246

He has such clear reasons as to why that

I'm naturally inclined to like trust him.

:

00:55:35,246 --> 00:55:36,716

I'm like, oh yeah, this guy has a point.

:

00:55:37,901 --> 00:55:38,381

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:38,891 --> 00:55:44,151

Well, and Papa dama is almost

like a legendary figure, right?

:

00:55:44,151 --> 00:55:48,621

Because he's the admiral in this fleet.

:

00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:53,271

But Grand Papa Dama is a mythical figure.

:

00:55:53,271 --> 00:55:54,591

'cause we've never seen him.

:

00:55:54,891 --> 00:55:56,241

He's only been talked about.

:

00:55:56,481 --> 00:56:00,261

And so this guy is like the one

connection we have to like the,

:

00:56:00,561 --> 00:56:04,101

not just the patriarch, but

the patriarch of the patriarch.

:

00:56:04,101 --> 00:56:07,611

Like, ah, it's, you know,

:

00:56:07,866 --> 00:56:08,676

Ryan: a good boy.

:

00:56:09,096 --> 00:56:09,726

Yeah, be a

:

00:56:09,771 --> 00:56:12,471

Xhafer: did they didn't get Mark

Shepherd for Caprica, did they?

:

00:56:13,836 --> 00:56:14,166

Ryan: No.

:

00:56:14,541 --> 00:56:15,051

Xhafer: No.

:

00:56:15,111 --> 00:56:15,531

Okay.

:

00:56:16,116 --> 00:56:21,006

Ryan: If only Mark Shep had a

son, then he could get them and

:

00:56:21,006 --> 00:56:22,326

the lineage can continue to rule.

:

00:56:23,621 --> 00:56:27,261

Xhafer: Lee goes and talks to

Kelly about the blasting cap.

:

00:56:27,261 --> 00:56:28,671

He immediately owns up.

:

00:56:28,671 --> 00:56:30,321

He's like, I need to be stopped.

:

00:56:30,681 --> 00:56:32,301

I am not going to stop this.

:

00:56:32,301 --> 00:56:33,351

You need to lock me up.

:

00:56:33,351 --> 00:56:37,071

I've sent too many people to die for

that traitor, ballar to get a trial.

:

00:56:37,071 --> 00:56:41,871

Fuck that You, the only way this

ends is with me killing Baltar,

:

00:56:42,111 --> 00:56:44,301

or with you putting me in jail.

:

00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:45,000

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:56:45,412 --> 00:56:46,342

Xhafer: Some strong opinions.

:

00:56:46,482 --> 00:56:46,792

Ryan: Yeah.

:

00:56:47,242 --> 00:56:50,002

You know, fascinating too to think

some of the things we've been talking

:

00:56:50,002 --> 00:56:53,632

about, this episode I was just mulling

over, like Laura brought up before she

:

00:56:53,632 --> 00:56:55,342

thought Gator was involved with this.

:

00:56:55,492 --> 00:57:00,502

It's actually kind of interesting that

the guy who stood in for Gator during

:

00:57:00,562 --> 00:57:05,662

all the shit that went down is the guy

that has the hardest, like hardest line

:

00:57:05,662 --> 00:57:08,272

vengeance for Balter at the moment.

:

00:57:08,272 --> 00:57:12,352

Like he did not actually have to suffer

like he was on the Galactica Kelly, like

:

00:57:12,352 --> 00:57:16,222

relatively speaking, he didn't have to

suffer as much, but he is the angriest.

:

00:57:17,097 --> 00:57:17,487

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:57:18,737 --> 00:57:19,757

Xhafer: It, it feels weird.

:

00:57:20,341 --> 00:57:20,491

Ryan: I

:

00:57:20,491 --> 00:57:20,881

don't know.

:

00:57:20,881 --> 00:57:21,961

I I kind of disagree.

:

00:57:21,961 --> 00:57:24,571

I think it just lines up with

what his character's stance

:

00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:25,681

has been in these episodes.

:

00:57:25,681 --> 00:57:28,621

Like he's a pat, like his thing is like,

he's kind of like a patriot and he's a

:

00:57:28,621 --> 00:57:33,091

guy who's so clearly not that we have

to fucking kill this guy because we're

:

00:57:33,091 --> 00:57:37,981

gonna do this whole Nuremberg and like,

oh, let's put up the war criminal for

:

00:57:37,981 --> 00:57:39,961

trial and let them speak their peace.

:

00:57:39,961 --> 00:57:42,001

And he is like, fuck that, fuck that.

:

00:57:42,091 --> 00:57:43,051

I don't wanna do that.

:

00:57:43,111 --> 00:57:43,711

Fuck him.

:

00:57:43,861 --> 00:57:45,391

He's already got his

mind comfort out there.

:

00:57:45,391 --> 00:57:46,231

Fuck that guy.

:

00:57:46,981 --> 00:57:48,061

Xhafer: I hear where you're coming from.

:

00:57:48,511 --> 00:57:54,811

I think that if this was a side

character from New Caprica, it

:

00:57:54,811 --> 00:57:56,731

could have been more interesting.

:

00:57:56,841 --> 00:57:59,271

They killed Dodger, right?

:

00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:01,431

A couple episodes after New Caprica.

:

00:58:01,911 --> 00:58:10,011

Um, if he had been like cleared and

not been executed or like someone along

:

00:58:10,011 --> 00:58:14,241

those lines, maybe someone who's a little

bit more complicit in the stuff on New

:

00:58:14,241 --> 00:58:18,591

Caprica that survived the tribunal,

either because they never got around them.

:

00:58:19,221 --> 00:58:23,031

There's like people on this level of

character where you could do something.

:

00:58:23,031 --> 00:58:27,621

'cause if it was Gada, I feel like

that has more plot implications

:

00:58:27,621 --> 00:58:30,771

than they're going to be able to

flesh out in this episode because

:

00:58:30,771 --> 00:58:32,331

Gita's been around for so much shit.

:

00:58:32,556 --> 00:58:33,696

Ryan: I think it is interesting though.

:

00:58:33,696 --> 00:58:37,356

I think it's actually important though

to have someone who wasn't on New Caprica

:

00:58:37,356 --> 00:58:41,796

to show that even the people who weren't

on New Caprica have it out for Balta.

:

00:58:42,396 --> 00:58:47,376

Like, I think it is super important

because you could make the divide of the

:

00:58:47,376 --> 00:58:52,506

people who didn't suffer directly from

Boar's actions would be on his side.

:

00:58:52,506 --> 00:58:54,336

And this episode saying

that's not true at all.

:

00:58:54,606 --> 00:58:58,956

And the people who were directly

impacted, like Callie, who was

:

00:58:58,956 --> 00:59:03,576

going to get executed, by the

way, um, she's on Boar's side.

:

00:59:03,906 --> 00:59:07,356

So I think that's actually very

interesting that in this episode.

:

00:59:08,016 --> 00:59:08,436

In this

:

00:59:08,466 --> 00:59:08,946

Xhafer: she's dumb.

:

00:59:08,946 --> 00:59:09,336

Laura.

:

00:59:09,996 --> 00:59:10,266

Ryan: huh.

:

00:59:10,401 --> 00:59:10,851

Laura: huh?

:

00:59:12,036 --> 00:59:12,696

Xhafer: Laura mouthed.

:

00:59:12,696 --> 00:59:13,326

Why?

:

00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:13,971

Laura: No, no.

:

00:59:13,971 --> 00:59:15,951

I am mouth bonkers because

:

00:59:16,146 --> 00:59:18,606

Ryan: But like I think it's truly

fascinating, but that's the thing,

:

00:59:18,606 --> 00:59:19,926

like life is crazy like that.

:

00:59:19,926 --> 00:59:23,076

People who have been oppressed by

certain people will side with them.

:

00:59:23,616 --> 00:59:25,566

It's sad, but it's true.

:

00:59:25,776 --> 00:59:29,226

And I think this, yes, sigh

of big sigh and all of that

:

00:59:29,661 --> 00:59:30,501

Laura: Screams in

:

00:59:30,816 --> 00:59:31,656

Ryan: screams in.

:

00:59:31,656 --> 00:59:33,996

Americans screams, screams

all over the world.

:

00:59:33,996 --> 00:59:34,326

Heard.

:

00:59:34,326 --> 00:59:37,056

But yeah, I think I actually, you know,

the more we're talking about it, the more

:

00:59:37,056 --> 00:59:41,826

I like that Kelly is the guy behind this

and that we actually had Kelly be kind of

:

00:59:41,826 --> 00:59:44,496

like a minor throwaway like element too.

:

00:59:44,496 --> 00:59:47,406

Like I actually think this is actually

very interesting the more we discuss it.

:

00:59:47,881 --> 00:59:48,301

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:59:48,301 --> 00:59:48,571

I,

:

00:59:48,901 --> 00:59:49,741

Xhafer: I get where you're coming from.

:

00:59:49,741 --> 00:59:50,851

I, I, I appreciate that.

:

00:59:50,911 --> 00:59:51,241

Yeah.

:

00:59:52,261 --> 00:59:55,951

Laura: I didn't have any qualms about

the whole Kelly thing, and actually

:

00:59:56,131 --> 01:00:03,905

it, I felt like the, the fact that

this bomb plot wasn't the driving

:

01:00:03,905 --> 01:00:05,915

force of the episode was really good.

:

01:00:06,125 --> 01:00:09,365

Ryan: Yeah, it's about Lee

and, and Lampkins discussions

:

01:00:09,365 --> 01:00:10,445

more than anything else.

:

01:00:10,990 --> 01:00:11,410

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:12,463 --> 01:00:14,383

Laura: And we just sort

of catch him by accident.

:

01:00:14,773 --> 01:00:15,133

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

:

01:00:15,524 --> 01:00:19,494

Xhafer: Lee is reinstated to

flight status, but wants to help

:

01:00:19,494 --> 01:00:23,544

with the trial and Papa DMA iss,

like you're not a fucking lawyer,

:

01:00:24,182 --> 01:00:24,452

Ryan: And he is

:

01:00:24,452 --> 01:00:24,932

like, you are not a

:

01:00:24,932 --> 01:00:26,342

judge, so fuck you.

:

01:00:27,197 --> 01:00:33,857

Xhafer: That is so different though,

like being on a jury and being

:

01:00:33,857 --> 01:00:37,997

an expert in courtroom procedure

are very, very different things.

:

01:00:38,987 --> 01:00:40,907

Ryan: Hey, I'll counter this.

:

01:00:41,357 --> 01:00:43,907

Lee should have brought

up that the last time.

:

01:00:44,552 --> 01:00:46,292

Papa Dama was a judge.

:

01:00:46,352 --> 01:00:48,752

He dissolved the case

because he didn't like it.

:

01:00:48,902 --> 01:00:52,082

And then that came up several times

to bite him in the fucking ass.

:

01:00:52,172 --> 01:00:56,282

So if anyone should be worried about

their position, it's Papa dama.

:

01:00:56,312 --> 01:00:57,992

But guess who didn't say that, Lee?

:

01:00:57,992 --> 01:01:01,532

Because they don't think about Lee

making good points enough like this.

:

01:01:01,712 --> 01:01:05,432

Instead, Lee just has to sn like

Bratt Lee crying through his eyes,

:

01:01:05,432 --> 01:01:07,442

say, you shouldn't be a judge.

:

01:01:07,712 --> 01:01:08,552

Give us more.

:

01:01:08,672 --> 01:01:12,602

Like, this is the thing I, I know that I'm

being hyperbolic about my hatred of Lee.

:

01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:13,952

He's my least favorite character.

:

01:01:13,952 --> 01:01:15,602

But it's because of

little things like this.

:

01:01:15,602 --> 01:01:20,192

It's like Lee has a point of view,

but they don't go into it enough.

:

01:01:20,192 --> 01:01:24,542

And when they do, they make it in the

most bratty, petulant way possible.

:

01:01:24,542 --> 01:01:28,742

Like, I want to side with Lee

way more than I do in the show.

:

01:01:28,742 --> 01:01:31,922

Like he has points of view that on paper

I'm like, oh, this could be something.

:

01:01:32,222 --> 01:01:34,382

But then they don't go far enough.

:

01:01:34,382 --> 01:01:38,012

So like this back and forth between him

and Papa dama, it's the third time they've

:

01:01:38,012 --> 01:01:41,042

done it this episode, and it doesn't feel

any different than the first time, other

:

01:01:41,042 --> 01:01:43,142

than I don't wanna be tagged now.

:

01:01:43,832 --> 01:01:46,742

And it feels like a teenager who's

like, I want to go to college.

:

01:01:46,772 --> 01:01:48,002

I don't want to go to college.

:

01:01:48,002 --> 01:01:50,012

And you just wanna rip your

hair out and go grow up.

:

01:01:51,002 --> 01:01:51,452

Grow up.

:

01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:52,510

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:53,050

No, and.

:

01:01:54,316 --> 01:01:58,126

I feel like they're not even being

consistent necessarily with Adama, because

:

01:01:58,126 --> 01:02:02,566

in the previous episode, I think where,

wherever it's discussed about Lee being

:

01:02:02,566 --> 01:02:04,936

on this committee to help do the laws.

:

01:02:05,716 --> 01:02:12,601

Adama says something about like,

oh, to Rosalyn, I, Lee has never

:

01:02:12,601 --> 01:02:13,801

had any interest in the law.

:

01:02:14,701 --> 01:02:17,791

But then he turns around and says

to Lee, like, I remember you always

:

01:02:17,791 --> 01:02:19,381

being in your grandfather's study.

:

01:02:20,011 --> 01:02:23,221

And now he's like, you're not a lawyer.

:

01:02:23,221 --> 01:02:26,911

And but Lee told him in the last

episode he had wanted to be a lawyer.

:

01:02:26,911 --> 01:02:29,581

If he hadn't gone into the

military, he would've been a lawyer.

:

01:02:29,581 --> 01:02:29,911

Like,

:

01:02:29,926 --> 01:02:32,206

Ryan: Lee even points out,

you gave me the law books.

:

01:02:32,206 --> 01:02:35,086

Why did you do that if you

weren't trying to push me?

:

01:02:35,116 --> 01:02:39,376

And then, then Adam's like, well,

fuck, I shouldn't have done that then.

:

01:02:39,376 --> 01:02:41,896

But I'm not gonna admit that

because I'm a stoic guy.

:

01:02:42,511 --> 01:02:45,181

Laura: Because I'm a dad

and dads don't do that.

:

01:02:45,241 --> 01:02:46,231

Dad tropes

:

01:02:46,276 --> 01:02:48,946

Ryan: his glasses fog

up because he's so mad.

:

01:02:49,702 --> 01:02:50,482

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:02:50,812 --> 01:02:53,992

At least he does finally admit

that like, well, I just don't

:

01:02:53,992 --> 01:02:56,002

wanna see you on the other side.

:

01:02:56,752 --> 01:03:01,852

Which I mean, shows us that this

jury member is not impartial,

:

01:03:02,017 --> 01:03:02,437

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

:

01:03:02,937 --> 01:03:05,512

And then Lee does bring up an

actual good point, which is

:

01:03:05,632 --> 01:03:08,302

see me or see someone else.

:

01:03:08,542 --> 01:03:11,422

Like that's the problem,

like you don't wanna see.

:

01:03:12,232 --> 01:03:15,382

It's not just about seeing your son,

it's about me seeing me as someone

:

01:03:15,382 --> 01:03:18,742

else other than your son, which

is the big thing of this episode.

:

01:03:19,132 --> 01:03:22,822

And the final line will tie into that

like, Lee wants to become his own man.

:

01:03:23,002 --> 01:03:24,562

This is him trying to become his own man.

:

01:03:24,562 --> 01:03:26,512

And his dad doesn't want that.

:

01:03:27,087 --> 01:03:27,507

Laura: mm-hmm.

:

01:03:28,222 --> 01:03:31,312

Ryan: It's about carrying on the

lineage even though the grandfather

:

01:03:31,312 --> 01:03:32,752

was a lawyer and your soldier.

:

01:03:32,752 --> 01:03:35,182

Like it's what Lineage, what, what legacy.

:

01:03:35,182 --> 01:03:35,842

It's, it's up

:

01:03:35,842 --> 01:03:36,352

in the air.

:

01:03:37,148 --> 01:03:39,848

Xhafer: Bill removes

Lee's cag, takes him off.

:

01:03:39,848 --> 01:03:45,128

The pilot board, calls it in,

and we see Dee get told this

:

01:03:45,818 --> 01:03:47,468

like, and her reaction to it.

:

01:03:47,888 --> 01:03:50,078

You know, she doesn't have to, she

doesn't get to find out through Lee.

:

01:03:50,078 --> 01:03:51,548

She gets to find out through work.

:

01:03:51,833 --> 01:03:52,553

Ryan: Oh, that's funny.

:

01:03:52,553 --> 01:03:54,203

I didn't even notice Dee in that scene.

:

01:03:54,203 --> 01:03:58,523

I was paying attention to Ty's reaction

where Ty is just like bemused at like, oh,

:

01:03:58,823 --> 01:04:00,803

there's Bill's son being a fuckup again.

:

01:04:00,803 --> 01:04:05,213

Like Ty just had this little reaction

like, okay, because Adama says this thing

:

01:04:05,213 --> 01:04:10,673

of like, my son is too busy, and just Ty

gives this look of like, here we go again.

:

01:04:11,213 --> 01:04:11,603

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:11,693 --> 01:04:14,513

Ryan: I've heard this for 30

years or however old Lee is.

:

01:04:14,513 --> 01:04:16,313

I've heard it for 20 years or whatever.

:

01:04:16,313 --> 01:04:17,183

Ugh, here we go.

:

01:04:18,113 --> 01:04:18,443

Xhafer: Yep.

:

01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:21,453

Laura: Ty is just glad he's

not the fuck up of the day.

:

01:04:21,513 --> 01:04:23,103

Let's be real, like,

:

01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:25,443

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:04:26,636 --> 01:04:27,926

Laura: but he'll get that back.

:

01:04:28,316 --> 01:04:29,036

It'll come back.

:

01:04:29,683 --> 01:04:34,033

Xhafer: Lee hangs Kara's photo next to

Kat as Andrew crutches his way over.

:

01:04:34,513 --> 01:04:35,533

They both miss her.

:

01:04:36,163 --> 01:04:39,043

I have to wonder if they only

killed Kat for this scene.

:

01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:40,269

Ryan: Oh,

:

01:04:40,329 --> 01:04:43,569

Laura: could put Kat next to,

or put Starbucks next to Kat.

:

01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:44,860

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:04:44,890 --> 01:04:48,070

Do you have a logical Place to

put Starbuck on this wall without

:

01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:49,930

Kat being dead 10 episodes ago?

:

01:04:50,529 --> 01:04:53,470

Ryan: um, yeah, you can't put it.

:

01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:54,460

Put it next to Billy.

:

01:04:54,971 --> 01:04:59,531

Um, No, I, I mean I imagine they

killed Kat for many other reasons,

:

01:04:59,531 --> 01:05:02,141

but like That is a good theory.

:

01:05:02,441 --> 01:05:02,651

Yeah.

:

01:05:02,651 --> 01:05:04,961

They should have had a

picture of boxy up there too.

:

01:05:05,051 --> 01:05:05,381

Remember?

:

01:05:05,381 --> 01:05:07,091

Boxy the kid.

:

01:05:07,661 --> 01:05:08,081

Do you remember

:

01:05:08,156 --> 01:05:08,546

Xhafer: dead?

:

01:05:09,251 --> 01:05:09,581

Ryan: No.

:

01:05:09,581 --> 01:05:10,271

But he may as well be

:

01:05:10,446 --> 01:05:10,796

Laura: sorry.

:

01:05:11,321 --> 01:05:16,241

Ryan: In the miniseries and the first

episode of this show, they had a whole

:

01:05:16,241 --> 01:05:18,221

deal about this little kid called Boxy.

:

01:05:18,221 --> 01:05:20,531

And he was like, everyone's

best friend, this is true.

:

01:05:20,771 --> 01:05:24,221

'cause in the original Battlestar

Galactica Boxy was an actual

:

01:05:24,221 --> 01:05:26,021

character in the show Proper.

:

01:05:26,141 --> 01:05:28,601

And BSG the reboot tried to do it.

:

01:05:28,601 --> 01:05:29,371

And then Ronald D.

:

01:05:29,371 --> 01:05:31,481

Moore just said, ah, I don't

wanna write for a fucking kid.

:

01:05:32,021 --> 01:05:33,461

And so they just drop Boxy.

:

01:05:33,731 --> 01:05:37,031

So it's a joke with the reimagined

series of like, where's Boxy?

:

01:05:37,031 --> 01:05:38,441

Boxy, better be around Boxy.

:

01:05:38,441 --> 01:05:38,981

ISS gonna pay off.

:

01:05:39,011 --> 01:05:41,381

'cause those first, the miniseries

and those first three episodes were

:

01:05:41,381 --> 01:05:43,601

all box about Boxy, like look at Boxy.

:

01:05:43,841 --> 01:05:47,681

So anytime there's a kid, they're

like, is it gonna be boxy?

:

01:05:47,681 --> 01:05:48,641

It's never boxy.

:

01:05:49,181 --> 01:05:53,681

So Boxy is on the wall in our

hearts with all the other characters

:

01:05:53,681 --> 01:05:55,181

that just mysteriously disappear.

:

01:05:56,381 --> 01:05:59,831

Xhafer: Did you catch, I posted

this in the spoiler town that

:

01:05:59,861 --> 01:06:02,531

Roma Lampkin has the distinction.

:

01:06:02,531 --> 01:06:05,051

I know you didn't, we talked,

we already talked about

:

01:06:05,246 --> 01:06:06,491

Laura: you are, you

did tell me about this.

:

01:06:06,701 --> 01:06:10,751

Xhafer: Roma Lampkin has the distinction

of being the only reimagined character who

:

01:06:10,751 --> 01:06:13,091

got added to the original series Cannon.

:

01:06:13,551 --> 01:06:13,971

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

:

01:06:15,176 --> 01:06:15,476

That's

:

01:06:15,701 --> 01:06:15,881

Xhafer: it.

:

01:06:18,566 --> 01:06:20,006

Ryan: Absolutely insane.

:

01:06:21,101 --> 01:06:21,641

Xhafer: Right?

:

01:06:22,181 --> 01:06:23,141

It's so good.

:

01:06:23,801 --> 01:06:24,521

Um,

:

01:06:24,536 --> 01:06:26,456

Ryan: What Mormon archetype is Romo?

:

01:06:26,456 --> 01:06:29,096

Lampkin, please write in Mormons.

:

01:06:29,156 --> 01:06:29,966

Let us know.

:

01:06:31,466 --> 01:06:32,126

Please write in,

:

01:06:33,686 --> 01:06:35,051

Xhafer: please don't write in we

:

01:06:35,051 --> 01:06:35,981

don't, I'm never, I don't,

:

01:06:36,206 --> 01:06:36,836

Ryan: Who is Romo?

:

01:06:36,836 --> 01:06:39,836

Lampkin In the Mormon mythology?

:

01:06:40,181 --> 01:06:41,231

Xhafer: Tell us in the discord.

:

01:06:41,276 --> 01:06:41,666

Ryan: Tell us.

:

01:06:42,116 --> 01:06:42,896

Did the Discord.

:

01:06:43,826 --> 01:06:46,736

Xhafer: Baltar rolls over in

his cell to find the letter

:

01:06:46,736 --> 01:06:48,866

from Lampkin delivered by Lee.

:

01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:50,666

It's his pen.

:

01:06:51,176 --> 01:06:54,986

And then the letter is

just like Lee got him

:

01:06:57,546 --> 01:07:02,256

effectively like, Hey, you know, there's,

there's no power greater in the verse

:

01:07:02,256 --> 01:07:05,856

than a son who's super mad at their dad.

:

01:07:05,946 --> 01:07:08,256

So we've got that going.

:

01:07:08,936 --> 01:07:09,156

Ryan: Ah.

:

01:07:10,206 --> 01:07:10,626

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:07:10,791 --> 01:07:12,021

Ryan: ultimate reveal.

:

01:07:12,591 --> 01:07:13,881

The ultimate reveal.

:

01:07:14,901 --> 01:07:17,241

Ugh, what an episode.

:

01:07:18,111 --> 01:07:19,431

What an episode of tv.

:

01:07:20,206 --> 01:07:20,566

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:07:20,596 --> 01:07:24,796

Do you gotta, if you had to rate this

episode on a scale of one to 12 colonies

:

01:07:26,131 --> 01:07:29,131

Ryan: it's a 10 baby, maybe an 11.

:

01:07:29,401 --> 01:07:32,131

I don't put it the fullest,

highest, highest, but uh, I

:

01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:34,291

really enjoy this episode.

:

01:07:34,771 --> 01:07:36,031

It's bonkers.

:

01:07:36,031 --> 01:07:41,577

I actually will say as much shit as I

give BSG uh, season three's my favorite

:

01:07:41,577 --> 01:07:47,487

because of just how uneven and bizarre and

some of the amazing ideas and the, even

:

01:07:47,487 --> 01:07:54,237

just the, the proposition, let alone the

execution of putting Gaia balta on trial.

:

01:07:54,237 --> 01:07:56,277

And like, let's get into

the nitty gritty of that.

:

01:07:56,277 --> 01:08:00,777

Like who the fuck would be his

lawyer is an episode that exists.

:

01:08:01,257 --> 01:08:04,017

I absolutely adore that.

:

01:08:04,257 --> 01:08:06,387

Mark Shepherd is fantastic.

:

01:08:06,567 --> 01:08:09,657

A lot of the conversations in this

episode are great, and we even pointed

:

01:08:09,657 --> 01:08:12,507

out like, yeah, there's a bomb plot,

but really this episode is about.

:

01:08:13,242 --> 01:08:14,202

Conversations.

:

01:08:14,232 --> 01:08:16,662

This is all just battles of ideology.

:

01:08:16,662 --> 01:08:22,631

These are all about the people having

a moment to argue their points of view

:

01:08:22,631 --> 01:08:27,282

and do it in manipulative ways as well,

which is what they're really skilled at.

:

01:08:27,282 --> 01:08:31,542

And Romo, Lampkin is

just a bizarre invention.

:

01:08:31,572 --> 01:08:35,202

It is Battlestar

Galactic's anime character.

:

01:08:35,562 --> 01:08:37,422

He is an anime character.

:

01:08:37,542 --> 01:08:38,772

He has a cat.

:

01:08:38,892 --> 01:08:40,511

He wears sunglasses all the time.

:

01:08:40,511 --> 01:08:45,072

He has the trench coat that he on

purposely spins around in, in so many

:

01:08:45,072 --> 01:08:46,932

scenes so it can flap in the breeze.

:

01:08:47,412 --> 01:08:47,622

It

:

01:08:47,697 --> 01:08:47,997

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:08:49,122 --> 01:08:52,511

Ryan: like to think of

where we've come from.

:

01:08:52,511 --> 01:08:56,352

And now Gaia bullar looking like

Jesus Christ is speaking to an

:

01:08:56,352 --> 01:09:00,792

anime character is television baby.

:

01:09:00,822 --> 01:09:02,742

They don't make it like this anymore.

:

01:09:04,886 --> 01:09:07,886

Xhafer: They don't get enough episodes

to get to this point to plot anymore.

:

01:09:08,051 --> 01:09:09,221

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

:

01:09:09,647 --> 01:09:11,537

Xhafer: rip 20 episode seasons.

:

01:09:11,732 --> 01:09:14,282

Ryan: You've loved those many

episodes this season, right.

:

01:09:14,282 --> 01:09:18,002

You, you, you've been on a stretch of

real stinkers, so you're really loving

:

01:09:18,002 --> 01:09:19,172

the long episodes, giving you

:

01:09:19,216 --> 01:09:24,647

Xhafer: a couple of stinkers if

it gives us the, the, the writing

:

01:09:24,647 --> 01:09:29,297

crucible that is required to turn

out some episodes of this quality.

:

01:09:29,357 --> 01:09:32,777

And also, like some of my favorite

episodes of a lot of shows are

:

01:09:32,777 --> 01:09:36,707

stupid throwaway fucking episodes,

and those don't exist anymore.

:

01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:40,426

Everything has to be serial

plot, serial plot, serial plot.

:

01:09:40,517 --> 01:09:40,966

So

:

01:09:41,282 --> 01:09:44,432

Ryan: Unless you're a British show,

then they can do it for some reason.

:

01:09:45,017 --> 01:09:46,006

Xhafer: yeah, I get away with it.

:

01:09:46,022 --> 01:09:48,631

Ryan: They get away with it,

they do eight episodes and they

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can have throw away silly plots.

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01:09:50,702 --> 01:09:51,272

I dunno.

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01:09:51,332 --> 01:09:54,542

Or do the British, what do the

British know and how do they do it?

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Laura: it's all the imperialism.

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01:09:59,942 --> 01:10:03,932

Xhafer: They just, it took those, those

throwaway plots from other cultures.

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Ryan: It's a blood of their victims.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: A hundred percent.

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I fucking love this episode.

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01:10:09,152 --> 01:10:09,812

12 outta 12,

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01:10:10,712 --> 01:10:11,522

no fucks given.

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01:10:11,792 --> 01:10:15,812

This is some of the best writing

in the show, some of the best

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01:10:15,812 --> 01:10:17,462

character interactions in the show.

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01:10:18,062 --> 01:10:23,642

It is bizarre at times in ways that

make me really appreciate this show.

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01:10:24,602 --> 01:10:24,932

yeah.

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01:10:24,992 --> 01:10:26,672

No, I just, it's one of

my favorite episodes.

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01:10:26,762 --> 01:10:27,272

A hundred percent.

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01:10:27,863 --> 01:10:29,258

Laura: I, I'll give it an 11.

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01:10:29,348 --> 01:10:33,848

'cause I don't know, I'm very

uncomfortable with how well things

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01:10:33,848 --> 01:10:40,178

are going for Gais Baltar, but it's

also like so well written or well

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01:10:40,178 --> 01:10:42,577

like executed, even though Yeah.

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01:10:42,577 --> 01:10:46,358

Lee's being a dipshit, like

it was fun the whole time.

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01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:47,363

Xhafer: Gonna be a dip.

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01:10:47,363 --> 01:10:47,753

Shit.

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01:10:49,163 --> 01:10:49,733

Ryan: Yeah.

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01:10:49,763 --> 01:10:51,683

I mean, consider this listeners.

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01:10:52,313 --> 01:10:56,093

All three of us gave this a very

high rating, even though Lee

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01:10:56,093 --> 01:10:57,413

is the main character of the

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01:10:57,683 --> 01:10:58,103

Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: Think about that.

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01:11:00,657 --> 01:11:02,847

One of the last times he was the

main character was Black Market.

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01:11:02,997 --> 01:11:03,837

Did that work out?

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01:11:04,317 --> 01:11:04,587

No.

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01:11:04,917 --> 01:11:05,397

Xhafer: No

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01:11:05,757 --> 01:11:06,087

Ryan: No.

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01:11:06,537 --> 01:11:09,927

Where he also had to interact with a guest

character that was played by a legendary

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01:11:09,927 --> 01:11:11,937

actor that confronted his ideology.

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01:11:11,937 --> 01:11:12,657

Ideology.

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01:11:12,717 --> 01:11:14,817

It didn't work out that time,

but it worked out this time.

:

01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:18,414

Laura: well we didn't throw

in like a whole girlfriend

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01:11:18,774 --> 01:11:19,074

Ryan: Yeah.

:

01:11:19,074 --> 01:11:19,854

That's another thing.

:

01:11:19,854 --> 01:11:21,744

Could Lee have brought

that up with Daddy dama?

:

01:11:21,744 --> 01:11:25,974

He goes, you are mourning, I'm still

mourning my girlfriend from, from,

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01:11:25,974 --> 01:11:32,937

from back on Capa that we all love and

remember fondly, whose name was, yeah.

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01:11:33,822 --> 01:11:34,242

Mm-hmm.

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01:11:34,992 --> 01:11:35,412

Mm-hmm.

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01:11:35,882 --> 01:11:36,172

Okay.

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01:11:37,688 --> 01:11:38,198

Xhafer: All right.

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01:11:38,198 --> 01:11:38,528

Well.

:

01:11:38,858 --> 01:11:43,148

Next up Crossroads Part one,

Baltar's trial threatens

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01:11:43,148 --> 01:11:44,318

the stability of the fleet.

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01:11:44,678 --> 01:11:45,848

Leah sis Romo.

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01:11:46,628 --> 01:11:50,018

Baltar gets projected

with spiritual undertones.

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01:11:51,665 --> 01:11:54,275

Those are all things

that happen next episode.

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01:11:55,730 --> 01:11:56,180

Laura: Great.

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01:11:56,642 --> 01:11:56,932

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:11:57,092 --> 01:11:57,452

Laura: Super.

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01:11:57,452 --> 01:11:57,812

Great.

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01:11:58,533 --> 01:12:00,033

Xhafer: Well, Ryan, thanks

so much for joining us.

:

01:12:00,033 --> 01:12:01,053

Tell the people where they can find you.

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01:12:01,728 --> 01:12:05,898

Ryan: Well, thank you all so

much for listening and I can

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01:12:05,898 --> 01:12:08,568

be found at Yum Yum podcast.

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01:12:09,168 --> 01:12:13,818

I host a podcast with my wife in which

we talk about science fiction television.

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01:12:13,818 --> 01:12:18,768

We've done Babylon five space above

and beyond Star Trek Discovery.

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01:12:19,288 --> 01:12:23,608

We're currently doing Killjoys

a very fascinating series.

:

01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:28,773

It is one in which it's about a bunch

of space bounty hunters uncovering

:

01:12:28,773 --> 01:12:33,003

an intergalactic conspiracy where

about halfway through the show now

:

01:12:33,003 --> 01:12:34,773

and things are really popping off.

:

01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:39,823

I mean, it's crazy show, wonderful

show and grain in time and we've just

:

01:12:39,823 --> 01:12:44,173

started doing the Staff Lead Academy

show because we love a, we love drinking

:

01:12:44,173 --> 01:12:49,863

poison and yeah, staff Lead Academy,

we're doing that with our friend Bar

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01:12:50,073 --> 01:12:52,713

who has never seen Star Trek before.

:

01:12:53,163 --> 01:12:53,883

He's never seen it.

:

01:12:54,498 --> 01:12:57,708

So we're like, let's watch

Academy and get your opinion.

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01:12:57,858 --> 01:13:02,358

And so it's been very fun to hear

an opinion of someone so sheltered

:

01:13:02,358 --> 01:13:04,038

from the world of Star Trek.

:

01:13:04,368 --> 01:13:07,428

So yes, we're doing that as

well, but yum, yum Pod or Yum yum

:

01:13:07,428 --> 01:13:09,498

podcast on all of the internet.

:

01:13:09,558 --> 01:13:11,327

You can find us even on the dark web.

:

01:13:11,538 --> 01:13:12,918

I dunno why we're there, but we're there.

:

01:13:13,378 --> 01:13:15,208

Laura: I'm a little worried now for you.

:

01:13:20,413 --> 01:13:20,893

Hmm.

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01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:21,313

Xhafer: All right.

:

01:13:21,673 --> 01:13:21,943

Yep.

:

01:13:22,063 --> 01:13:22,963

Well, thanks so much for joining us.

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01:13:22,963 --> 01:13:23,833

We'll see you again.

:

01:13:24,163 --> 01:13:29,743

Season four, episode 15, no Evil

was you, you requested that one

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01:13:29,952 --> 01:13:31,003

a while ago.

:

01:13:31,363 --> 01:13:31,813

Ryan: exit.

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01:13:32,113 --> 01:13:32,503

Xhafer: Sorry.

:

01:13:32,952 --> 01:13:34,033

No evil, no exit.

:

01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:37,509

Uh, You requested that one

like a year ago or something.

:

01:13:37,869 --> 01:13:38,349

So

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01:13:38,649 --> 01:13:39,309

Laura: Okay.

:

01:13:39,369 --> 01:13:41,019

Xhafer: that will be in July.

:

01:13:41,109 --> 01:13:41,619

So

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01:13:42,369 --> 01:13:43,419

a couple months away.

:

01:13:43,749 --> 01:13:47,859

Laura: Would, would it be Spoily to tell

me if it's a Lee centric episode or not?

:

01:13:47,889 --> 01:13:49,239

Because that's been a theme for you.

:

01:13:49,974 --> 01:13:52,284

Ryan: That, has it been a theme for me?

:

01:13:52,509 --> 01:13:56,259

Xhafer: It, it, it may

be a Lee centric episode.

:

01:13:56,604 --> 01:13:58,254

Ryan: I had to make it very hard.

:

01:13:58,254 --> 01:14:00,414

So each season there

was an episode in mind.

:

01:14:00,414 --> 01:14:01,464

I was like, that's the one.

:

01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:06,114

Season three was very hard because there's

so many, and I was like, do I wanna pick,

:

01:14:06,384 --> 01:14:08,514

you know, this episode or that episode?

:

01:14:08,514 --> 01:14:13,134

Like the one just recently in this season

that I would've let I was considering was

:

01:14:13,134 --> 01:14:15,204

the one where the chief makes a union.

:

01:14:15,714 --> 01:14:16,854

That's a great episode.

:

01:14:16,854 --> 01:14:18,144

That's one of my favorites of the show.

:

01:14:18,144 --> 01:14:19,224

But I was like, no, no, no, no.

:

01:14:19,224 --> 01:14:21,744

I don't wanna, I don't wanna talk

about, I wanna talk about the law.

:

01:14:23,544 --> 01:14:25,854

But yeah, season four,

an interesting beast.

:

01:14:25,854 --> 01:14:27,474

Can't wait to come back

and talk to you about

:

01:14:27,474 --> 01:14:27,624

it.

:

01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:29,140

Xhafer: All right.

:

01:14:29,380 --> 01:14:33,820

Well, all that said, I think it's just

time to say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

:

01:14:34,809 --> 01:14:35,350

Hey Jeremy.

:

01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:36,700

Thanks so much for doing our theme music.

:

01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:39,610

You can find more Jeremy's

work at Jeremy Segal 42.

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01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:40,600

Do bandcamp.com.

:

01:14:41,303 --> 01:14:43,613

Laura: And thanks to angry

Duck time machine on Instagram

:

01:14:43,613 --> 01:14:44,753

for the podcast artwork.

:

01:14:45,338 --> 01:14:48,398

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for

editing this podcast every week and

:

01:14:48,398 --> 01:14:50,108

making sure that I don't have to,

:

01:14:50,696 --> 01:14:52,316

Laura: And thanks

listeners for being here.

:

01:14:52,376 --> 01:14:54,103

If you want to uh, come.

:

01:14:54,863 --> 01:14:57,413

Hang out in the Discord and see whatever.

:

01:14:57,473 --> 01:14:58,553

No context.

:

01:14:58,553 --> 01:14:59,273

Weird shit.

:

01:14:59,273 --> 01:15:02,093

We text each other when we are recording.

:

01:15:02,843 --> 01:15:05,056

Uh, Find that link in the show notes.

:

01:15:05,056 --> 01:15:05,776

Get on in there.

:

01:15:05,776 --> 01:15:07,606

We have a great time, so

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01:15:08,236 --> 01:15:08,656

we'd love

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01:15:08,656 --> 01:15:08,986

to have you.

:

01:15:09,346 --> 01:15:13,696

Ryan: come join and you can join the

spoiler chat area where we get to

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01:15:13,696 --> 01:15:16,099

make fun of uh, things set on the pod.

:

01:15:16,639 --> 01:15:17,929

Unadulterated.

:

01:15:18,139 --> 01:15:18,799

We get to go.

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01:15:18,859 --> 01:15:20,029

Ha, ha, ha.

:

01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:24,649

You think it's only just starting

Get ready and we all have a

:

01:15:24,724 --> 01:15:28,114

Xhafer: even know there's gonna be

some stuff from the episodes that

:

01:15:28,114 --> 01:15:29,794

haven't aired at this point, let

:

01:15:29,794 --> 01:15:30,484

me tell ya.

:

01:15:31,334 --> 01:15:31,554

Ryan: no,

:

01:15:31,744 --> 01:15:31,964

Laura: no

:

01:15:33,259 --> 01:15:33,649

Ryan: no

:

01:15:33,769 --> 01:15:36,439

Laura: have said some wacky

things on purpose, so it's

:

01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,159

not all.

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01:15:37,579 --> 01:15:37,939

Yeah.

:

01:15:38,195 --> 01:15:39,545

Xhafer: all right, well,

we'll see you next week.

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01:15:39,545 --> 01:15:39,875

Internet.

:

01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:40,250

Laura: Okay.

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01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:40,910

Bye.

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01:15:41,655 --> 01:15:41,875

Ryan: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.