Episode 218

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Published on:

13th May 2026

BSG S4E5 - The Himbo Mutiny

Laura does the homework. Xhafer asks: "Baltar or Baby Shark?" This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 5: The Road Less Traveled.

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Laura:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is the Battlestar

Galactica Sci-Fi Watch cast.

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I almost said Babylon five.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: did a GE affair.

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Yeah.

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We're a couple of former strangers

now friends who are watching

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2000 four's Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: I'm Jefair.

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Laura: and I did the homework.

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Jair,

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Xhafer: You did?

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Laura: I had homework.

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Xhafer: No.

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What was your homework?

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Laura: Okay.

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At the end of the last episode,

there was the thing where Adama

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is reading the book to Rosalyn

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: and he closes the book.

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Xhafer: it.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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'cause I had one interpretation and

you had the other interpretation.

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I don't have a definitive answer,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: what he is talking about,

or the book is talking about is.

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The person has built a, a life

raft, I guess, and doesn't

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know if it's going to work,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: but they're not worried about

the life raft as much as they're

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worried about the emptiness inside.

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That's when he like closes the book and

he talks about the emptiness inside,

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basically.

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So he could just be like closing the book,

confronting his own feelings out loud.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Uh, 'Cause he is talking

about, it doesn't get happier.

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It's just this character talking about

how it feels to confront something.

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So I was like, huh.

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I don't know what's

happening there exactly.

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But

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Xhafer: I love that.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, it could be he's read

it a bunch of times and he lied.

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It could be he's making it up.

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It could be he just memorized the

page at a glance and just doesn't need

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the book anymore, and that's the end.

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Laura: Yeah, I hear there's

a people who can do that, so

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Xhafer: Um, you know,

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I kinda liked it.

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Maybe he was like, vamping his

own feelings because he got

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triggered by the, the emptiness.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: he doesn't talk

about his fifis very often,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: so this might be a really good

opportunity for him to feel like he could.

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Laura: Yeah.

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He's just, he's doing

it as the book narrator,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I, I didn't say that.

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The Admiral is, you know,

indefe- indefatigable.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So, I don't know, but I wanted

you to know that I did do that

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Xhafer: well congrats

on doing the homework

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Laura: instead of my real homework.

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Yes.

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Xhafer: of your real homework.

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Yeah,

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it's almost finals.

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that's coming around.

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Laura: Two weeks.

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Two weeks.

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Xhafer: I

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: this airs done,

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Laura: Done.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not done.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Well.

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I mean, I'm sure we'll talk we'll

record again before then, but

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Laura: Oh, sure.

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Surely.

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Xhafer: luck.

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So uh, we can just get into this one.

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I'm

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Laura: Uh.

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Xhafer: feeling sluggish.

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I'm sorry, listener.

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try to get through this.

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Laura: I'll just cattle

prod affair over here.

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Aaron, put in a nice buzz sound.

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Uh,

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Xhafer: Uh,

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Laura: Keep it moving.

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Xhafer: for me.

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I had an accidental allergen exposure.

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I will

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be fine, but I am medicated

in a way that makes me sleepy.

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So trying,

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Laura: we're gonna do it.

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Xhafer: we're gonna do it.

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We're gonna do Battlestar

Galactica, season 4, episode

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5, the Road Less Traveled.

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Laura: I do not know why ge when you

told me that that guy was coming back.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: That I did not think

of this guy, but I did wonder

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like, oh, we had Raus watch.

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Maybe it's raus that's coming

back, and you didn't tell me.

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I don't know why this

didn't occur to me, but eh,

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Xhafer: the next one yet?

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Laura: no

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Xhafer: Good because I've got

another one of those ambiguous

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things from the thing that I wrote

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Laura: good.

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Xhafer: preview for the next episode too.

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I posted about it in the chat

'cause I'm so damn proud of it.

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Laura: Aw, good for you.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That's

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Listener.

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If you're not in our discord,

get in spoiler town and hear

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jokes a month before uh, you

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Laura: you hear them again,

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joke previews, that's what

everybody wants, right?

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Xhafer: Right?

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Surely that's how humor works.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Nothing.

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We love more than hearing

the same joke twice.

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Laura: That's like most

of my whole deal, so,

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Xhafer: I think as podcasters

it's most of our whole deal.

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Laura: Okay.

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The last time's on for this episode,

la Last time's on last time On's.

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I don't know.

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It's fine.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: good.

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Demetrius.

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Helos defending Starbuck on the Demetrius,

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the whole cavel business, all

the camels betraying and being

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betrayed, and blah, blah, blah.

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Also Tory also betraying,

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: Gais thinks something loves him,

And that something believes everyone

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is perfect just as they are now.

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So

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Cool.

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As I said last time, I'm sure

there's no way anyone could

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possibly misinterpret this.

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Laura: Yeah, it's gonna be fine.

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Xhafer: Speaking of that, Demetrius,

that's where we open in our episode

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proper 58 days since it left the Flotilla.

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Laura: Been a minute.

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Xhafer: Hilo wants to talk about a

resupply mission back to the fleet,

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but Starbees has stars in her eyes.

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Laura: Yeah, like she's

painting 'em all over the walls.

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She's got a star chart that we've

been there like three times, but

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: two times, but we

need to go back a third time.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: there's something there.

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Xhafer: Third time's a charm.

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Laura: He was like,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I guess I'll send Athena.

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Starbuck uh, admits she hasn't

been sleeping and then immediately

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says, I wanna fly this one.

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Xhafer: Yeah, great idea.

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Um, nothing quite like

driving when you're exhausted.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: You know, it's

worse than drunk driving.

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Not that you should take that as an excuse

to drive drunk ever, please, listener.

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Laura: Naturally.

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Xhafer: but, uh, it's way

more dangerous to drive, like,

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half asleep than it is drunk.

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Laura: Yeah, I've heard some scary

stories from friends who like

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made long trips were tired and

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: off the road and stuff, and I'm

like, man, I just, I have to sleep.

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I just go sleep.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: sleep.

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Xhafer: I've had a number of, like,

last minute long drives in my life

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where I've just been, like, trying...

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When I was flying for work constantly,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I, I think I've had to

drive home from Chicago because my

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connection got canceled or my flight

was delayed and I missed it or whatever,

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probably about 20 times in my life.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: a five and a

half, f- five-hour drive,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: that you just g- get to

make at, like,:

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to get home for the weekend to make

your flight out on Sunday afternoon.

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You make that Thursday night

sometimes, sometimes Friday.

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Um, yep, and the number of times

I just, like, have to pull over

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in my rental car and sleep for an

hour before I got back on the road.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Sometimes you gotta do it, but

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Xhafer: Hard to do in space.

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Laura: Well, yes.

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But maybe you don't need

to go out here with Hilo.

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Uck.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: also she does because she's got

the whole plot to like move forward.

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So,

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Gotta move that plot forward.

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over at Baltar's bang bus, some

lady is real mad about the genocide,

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including any humans partially or

fully responsible, stares at Baltar.

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Laura: Hm.

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Xhafer: Did you think he

was gonna own it here?

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Laura: I did not think

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Xhafer: okay.

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Laura: I really thought he should,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: no, we're not there

in his character yet.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I feel like the show is

really wanting me to think he's

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turning over a new leaf and stuff.

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We talked about this in the last episode,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but I pointed out that

like he still kind of hid behind

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the bodies of innocent women.

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When the

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Xhafer: 100%,

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Laura: him

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: time, like, okay, he,

he let himself take a beat.

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He didn't even let

himself take the beating.

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Six

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p team made him do it at

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Xhafer: It's true.

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Laura: And even here, you know,

he's, he's giving his message of

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like reconciliation and peace and

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: but he, he can't own up to that.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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Laura: And his clothes look mighty fine.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: His

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: really nice.

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We are getting the good

fabrics out for altar robes

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Xhafer: man,

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Laura: I don't know, I just don't like it.

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I don't

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Xhafer: Tyrol has this on

forced to listen to it.

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because for some fucking reason,

Baltar's voice calms Nikki down.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh, par- parents question

Discord, this or "Baby Shark"?

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Laura: Oh, I'm, I'm baby sharking

all the way, but I love like a

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repetitive bop that I can just

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: give me one hour of

Mod mo my raving please.

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I'll listen to the whole hour.

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Just bopping along.

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So,

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: yeah.

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Uh, Tyrell shaved his head.

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Xhafer: Yeah, sure do.

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Laura: Oh, her hair's all gone.

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Xhafer: Hmm, what a

dramatic character change.

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I wonder what this will b- be a symbol of.

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Laura: Yeah, he didn't put on a fat suit.

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At least

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Xhafer: it could have been worse.

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Laura: could have been worse.

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Xhafer: Athena isn't happy about

the orders coming down, but they

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are orders, as Hila reminds her.

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the pilots complain, but Hila

reminds them they've only got two

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days left, and then they're back,

they have to go back to the fleet.

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And they, they've gotta go in two days.

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so it's just a matter of time.

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Just stick it out two more days.

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Laura: two days.

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We've been at this.

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Two months and we'll go back

and everything will be fine.

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Xhafer: when they go out, they see

a Cylon heavy raider that is really

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beat up, and when it finally makes

contact, it's Leoben offering a truce

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Laura: Of course it's this fucking guy.

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Xhafer: Uh, Starbuck

blows it out of the sky.

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Fuck that guy.

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End of episode.

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Credits roll.

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Laura: If only,

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Xhafer: Right.

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Laura: if only.

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Xhafer: I, honestly, I wish in this

streaming era where show length

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isn't tied to commercials and all

of this shit, that a show would

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have the fucking courage to do this.

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Laura: People will be so mad Gere.

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Xhafer: if it was a what a week, I

feel like people would be really mad.

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Like, if "The Boys" did it,

what a week, it'd be a problem.

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But if, like, a show that drops an

entire season at once did it and

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they just had, like, a 10-minute

episode that just ends like that,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I think people would cheer.

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Yeah, It's not like it was supposed

to be like Netflix paid for 10

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episodes, You, get 11, right?

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you

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: there's one more or something

and one's just that little bit.

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Laura: the people in any way on

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: be one of your 10, it

can't be a one a week thing.

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Like you, you can't, you

gotta give us the goods.

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Xhafer: Although one a week,

man, that'd be so brutal.

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Like, I'd love it though.

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Laura: Yeah, you'd be like the only,

you're in the tails of the distribution.

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'cause most

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Xhafer: For sure.

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Yeah.

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I, 100%, I would I would applaud if a

show had the courage to do this to me.

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Stand up to me, you fucking show.

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Laura: Nope.

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Instead we're gonna go to theme.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Survivor count 39,676, up one.

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Must have totally been an off-camera

birth, and we totally forgot

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that we killed Callie, guys.

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That can't be it, right?

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It can't be it.

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That, that has to just

be an off-screen birth.

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Laura: oh,

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Xhafer: It's the only

thing that makes sense.

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Laura: yeah.

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Was, yeah.

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No, Kelly died in the

previous episode before that,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: to 6 75.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah, so we had an offscreen birth.

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Yeah.

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I mean, yeah, we had an off-screen birth.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Okay, cool.

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'cause they did, they did get it in that

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Xhafer: Yeah, they got it in the last one.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: they dock the Heavy

Raider and bring Leoben on board.

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he insists that Kara needs to go

talk to the hybrid, and he gets

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brought to her quarters instead of

the brig with a general what the fuck

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from everyone aboard the Demetrius.

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Laura: Yes.

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Yes.

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Especially 'cause he's creepy weird this

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Xhafer: Yeah, so fucking weird.

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Laura: not just the fact that he's a

asylum, but he does this whole thing

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of like, you are so different from

when I was with you on New Caprica.

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All of your doubt is purged.

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You're ready to go.

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The hybrid told me about Earth too, and

we're supposed to go there together, okay?

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Weird choice.

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Don't take this guy to your quarters ever.

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He kept you in his dream

house for like months.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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It's a fucking weird choice.

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Laura: Uh.

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Speaking of weird choice Tyrell

is standing in the airlock

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when Tory happens upon him.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Uh, he knows something's off.

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He's not sure what.

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And Tori's like, "You don't think

someone killed her, do you?"

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He's like, "I don't know."

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And then she's like, "Maybe

she knew you were a Cylon.

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Maybe this is God's will."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: it's like,

fucking just say it, Tori.

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Please just fucking say it.

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Laura: I don't know what

she's playing at here.

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but I don't like it.

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Uh, and.

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She, but the way she goes with

like with what if Kelly knew?

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Wasn't like, what if Kelly knew and

one of us had to do something about it?

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It was

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: if Kelly knew and

that's why she killed herself?

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Because she just couldn't take

being married to you a liar.

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Like, Ooh.

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Xhafer: Damn dirty Cylon, yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And don't know, but she's

trying to recruit him to the

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Church of Gaia through all this.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Which he is not impressed with all.

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She goes to church too much.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Anders gets back just in

time to be like, "Hey, honey.

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How are you doing?"

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As he walks in and sees

Leoben fucking ghosting,

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Kara.

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And, uh, by ghosting I

don't mean, like, vanishing.

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I.

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mean, like, guiding her

hands as she does art.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is so gross.

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Why are we, why is he helping her paint?

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Like why?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Then what is this

supposed to accomplish?

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What is he sweet talked her into here?

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I don't know, but rips him off

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: she's like yelling,

no, no, he can help us.

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Which is definitely not crazy.

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Nobody's gonna have a problem with that.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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Laura: all gonna see sense.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Uh, Helo finally fucking does

something here as he takes

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Anders to the makeshift brig.

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Anders kicks Leoben as he tries

to help him patch up his marriage.

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Laura: Yes, Lee opens like, oh,

you two aren't meant to be enemies.

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I hope you're getting better.

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I hope things are

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: between you two.

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And it's like, what?

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Xhafer: While getting

kicked the shit out of him.

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Laura: were just, you were just

like intimately touching my wife

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and I, I think when he said, you're

not meant to be enemies, it was,

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he was referring to Starbuck and

Anders, not himself and Anders.

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I, I

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don't, I'm pretty sure that's what it was.

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Right.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Laura: know.

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Xhafer: Pretty sure.

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Laura: gross.

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And ban's just here to help

her with her destiny, man.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

447

:

that's Anders' special destiny.

448

:

Anders and his special destiny doesn't

quite have the same ring to it, though.

449

:

Laura: Yeah.

450

:

Yeah.

451

:

Ban also says something about

the most basic article of faith

452

:

is that this is not all we are.

453

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

454

:

Laura: And I think Anders is having like.

455

:

Final Five fears of being like

outed when he draws a gun on ban.

456

:

But I don't think Ban knows.

457

:

Xhafer: I, I don't think Leoben knows.

458

:

Laura: Yeah,

459

:

Xhafer: Uh,

460

:

Laura: because he's not supposed to.

461

:

Xhafer: yeah.

462

:

Laura: ban's be weird.

463

:

Xhafer: Leobens be weird,

and Leobens be chilling with

464

:

hybrids, and hybrids be knowing.

465

:

Laura: Yeah,

466

:

exactly.

467

:

But I don't think Leos be known.

468

:

Hybrid's not

469

:

Xhafer: The...

470

:

Laura: that.

471

:

Xhafer: it's, it's not that.

472

:

the hybrid doesn't say it, I'm sure.

473

:

It's that the hybrid says a bunch of shit,

and you just don't know what to believe.

474

:

Laura: Yeah.

475

:

And if you're programmed

to not think about it,

476

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

477

:

Laura: like

478

:

Xhafer: Skip over.

479

:

Laura: Yeah.

480

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

481

:

Uh, he also tells Anders

about the Cylon civil war.

482

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

483

:

Oh, there's a fun bit in here too.

484

:

Fun bit of business.

485

:

Xhafer: yeah.

486

:

Laura: He specifically describes

the war as between those who embrace

487

:

their nature and those who fear

it, he doesn't say who is who,

488

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

489

:

Laura: so could be.

490

:

Xhafer: I could see it

going either way, yeah.

491

:

Laura: It could be that the sixes, Leos,

Sharons embracing their nature and their

492

:

free will the camels are rejecting it.

493

:

Or it could be the caves are

embracing their nature is like blood

494

:

thirsty machines and the Leo Ben

Sixes, Sharon's are rejecting that.

495

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

496

:

Laura: it is not explicitly stated,

I believe in this conversation.

497

:

Who he

498

:

Xhafer: I do love that.

499

:

Yeah, that's good.

500

:

God, the writing in this show is so good.

501

:

Laura: Yeah.

502

:

Xhafer: he says that Kara and the

hybrid can work together to find Earth.

503

:

That's what he's getting to at, and

we'll hear that a couple more times.

504

:

But, uh, everyone else gets the

recap, and Gaeta is like, "This

505

:

is pretty questionable, guys."

506

:

Laura: I think G and Athena

are both like WTF mate.

507

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

508

:

Laura: Yeah.

509

:

Xhafer: before the mute can

leave his mouth, Hilo's all

510

:

like, "Nothing's been decided."

511

:

And then Athena's all like,

"We're almost out of fuel.

512

:

We need to go resupply immediately."

513

:

And Hilo is all like, "Not you two.

514

:

You guys are talking about a mutiny."

515

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

516

:

Yeah.

517

:

Xhafer: Hilo does not like to hear

Athena and Gaeta talk about a mutiny.

518

:

Laura: Yeah.

519

:

And Starbuck some of this

520

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

521

:

Laura: no good.

522

:

She's insisting they're gonna go anyway,

523

:

Xhafer: Yep.

524

:

The, the plan is, is that they're

gonna jump to the base star, uh,

525

:

so that way they can rescue it.

526

:

It's gonna, like, piggyback off their FTL.

527

:

Uh, they don't really

describe the details.

528

:

There's, like, a little bit of

conjecture about how it's gonna work.

529

:

Like, they'll be able to, like,

do the math for them or something.

530

:

Like they can't do the the jump

math is their problem right now.

531

:

Laura: not broken, but the

computer piece is broken.

532

:

Xhafer: seems absurd to me, 'cause if

Gaeta can do the math himself, you'd

533

:

think someone on that fucking ship could.

534

:

Laura: Yeah.

535

:

Well, if it's just the opens, then

536

:

Xhafer: Well, it's, it's Leoben

Sixes and Sharons, right?

537

:

Laura: I'm just joking.

538

:

I was just.

539

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

540

:

Laura: I like to just like

dunk on ban a little bit.

541

:

You gotta

542

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

543

:

Laura: some.

544

:

Xhafer: G- g- take the dunk.

545

:

It's cool.

546

:

Um,

547

:

Laura: Oh, and also he's mentioned that

like no resurrection ship for him anymore.

548

:

Xhafer: yeah.

549

:

Laura: if we kill Liz Ban, he's dead.

550

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

551

:

So they're gonna go rescue this base star,

and it's going to join the fleet, and then

552

:

collectively they will all find Earth, is

how, how he says this is gonna play out.

553

:

Laura: oh, that's gonna

be such a hard hell,

554

:

Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

555

:

Laura: There's a lot of

people ain't gonna like that.

556

:

Xhafer: uh, Baltar and Tory fuck again.

557

:

Uh, he asks if Rosalyn knows about

his little pirate broadcast, and

558

:

she's all like, "Bitch, I told her."

559

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

560

:

Xhafer: told...

561

:

Not only did I tell her, I told her

she's gotta talk to the admiral about it.

562

:

And he's just like, "Betrayal."

563

:

Laura: See, okay, this is another

point for my, like Gais is not changing

564

:

column because he's having this success

with his little underground radio

565

:

he's got these nice robes from these

people and he's, he, he's got a good.

566

:

Good scam running,

567

:

Xhafer: He's got a thing going.

568

:

Laura: And he's still

asking, what does mom think?

569

:

What does mom think about me?

570

:

And I

571

:

Xhafer: to know mom's opinion.

572

:

Laura: I think after Tori's like, Hey,

you know, I, I, it's part of my job.

573

:

I had to tell her about this.

574

:

Basically like, duh.

575

:

She also says something about like, oh,

she, but she doesn't think anything of it.

576

:

Like she's gonna

577

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

578

:

Laura: but they don't care.

579

:

They, they think you're nothing and this,

580

:

no one's going anywhere anyway.

581

:

And there's this look on his face like,

I can't believe they don't think about me

582

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

583

:

Laura: And he just has to, he

just has to, gotta get in there.

584

:

He needs mom and dad's attention, like.

585

:

Bad.

586

:

Xhafer: Real bad.

587

:

"You're not worth the

quorum vote," she says.

588

:

Laura: he looks hurt, so I'm like, great.

589

:

Gaia's hurt feelings have never

caused a single problem in this show.

590

:

Xhafer: Not once.

591

:

Laura: Never have his little

fifis been an issue for anyone.

592

:

Xhafer: Tyrell heads down to the

Bang Bus to hear the day's sermon,

593

:

and Ty is like, "What idiots?"

594

:

He just shows up down

there to give Tyrell shit.

595

:

he tells him he needs to suck

it up and get back to work.

596

:

He doesn't have time to grieve anymore.

597

:

And Tyrell's like, "Yeah,

how'd that work out for you?

598

:

Also, how's that six been treating you,

599

:

Laura: I, okay,.

600

:

last time we saw, Saul Tie, like

I think it was pretty implied that

601

:

he and six were about to fuck.

602

:

Right?

603

:

Xhafer: There's a little bit

of implication there, for sure.

604

:

Laura: Right.

605

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

606

:

Laura: is it that nobody knows

what's going on except you I

607

:

know what you've been up to.

608

:

Like,

609

:

Xhafer: Uh, oh, the answer is

that a bunch of people know.

610

:

Tyrell's just the first to call him out.

611

:

Laura: okay.

612

:

Because I was like, is wild to me

that these guards would have a camera

613

:

always think it's totally fine

when Soul Tie comes and demands

614

:

to be alone with the prisoner.

615

:

Like

616

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

617

:

Right.

618

:

Laura: people gotta be talking, right?

619

:

Xhafer: And

620

:

Laura: And we're

621

:

Xhafer: I'm sure they are.

622

:

Laura: the near future, I hope.

623

:

Okay.

624

:

wild, but.

625

:

He doesn't seem to have

anything to say for himself.

626

:

Right.

627

:

Did he justify himself in any way?

628

:

Xhafer: Not even a little bit

629

:

Laura: Didn't think so.

630

:

Okay.

631

:

Xhafer: Let's see.

632

:

While inspecting the exterior

of the Cylon heavy raider, an

633

:

explosion kills Sergeant Matthias.

634

:

Laura: Yeah.

635

:

Venting gas.

636

:

Xhafer: Yep.

637

:

Laura: And as far as we know throughout

this episode, this is just like a fluke.

638

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

639

:

I mean, it's there to, uh, make

Starbuck harder to trust and believe,

640

:

Laura: Yeah.

641

:

Xhafer: 'cause now there's someone

who's dead that is also on her hands,

642

:

Laura: Yeah.

643

:

Mm-hmm.

644

:

Xhafer: hypothetically.

645

:

we cut back over to the sermon.

646

:

Baltar sees Galen, and as he starts

to walk away, he calls to him.

647

:

He says for Callie, he

needs to come talk to him.

648

:

And Tyrol's like, "She forgave you.

649

:

I have not."

650

:

And Baltar keeps insisting that

he take his hand, but instead

651

:

he takes his fucking neck.

652

:

Laura: Yeah.

653

:

He keeps invoking Callie's name in a

way that's really kind of disingenuous.

654

:

Xhafer: For sure.

655

:

Laura: Uh,

656

:

Xhafer: I mean, Callie

was a Baltar supporter,

657

:

Laura: Yeah.

658

:

Xhafer: also very religious

and dedicated to the Lords of

659

:

Laura: Yeah.

660

:

Xhafer: Kobol.

661

:

So I don't know that she would've

been down for this monotheistic stuff.

662

:

Laura: Yeah.

663

:

Xhafer: she probably would've

been really against it.

664

:

is Hard to say.

665

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

666

:

Xhafer: But, uh, Tyrol isn't

gonna have it regardless.

667

:

Laura: No.

668

:

Xhafer: He has a full-on breakdown.

669

:

We see him in his, like, little condo.

670

:

Uh, Nikki nowhere to be found.

671

:

He's got a gun.

672

:

He puts it up to his

head a couple of times.

673

:

It is not good.

674

:

Uh, but he sees a photo of Callie

and Nikki and starts to come back

675

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

676

:

Xhafer: from this episode.

677

:

Laura: Yeah.

678

:

The, this whole with Baltar wanting.

679

:

Something from Tyrell.

680

:

I don't like

681

:

that either.

682

:

Like,

683

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

684

:

Laura: he knows Tyrell is important.

685

:

Like, you know, he's, he's got

influence with the working class.

686

:

He's had influence on Galactica, even

though he kind of gave some of that up

687

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

688

:

Laura: in the last episode.

689

:

He only knows Callie's

name because of Tyrell

690

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

691

:

Laura: He, he does not

know this person at all.

692

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

693

:

Which he will admit to in about

10 minutes of screen time.

694

:

Laura: Yeah.

695

:

Well he can admit to that, but he

can't admit to some other stuff.

696

:

Xhafer: It's true.

697

:

Laura: So Starbucks starts

beating Lee open the explosion.

698

:

Xhafer: All I wrote down for this

scene is Leoben is a shit as expected.

699

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

700

:

Yeah.

701

:

Xhafer: I should have taken

better notes, but I like...

702

:

I'll, I'll give that call out.

703

:

Laura: Yeah, he says something

about it starts out with like,

704

:

oh yeah, go ahead and kill me.

705

:

Like, I can't

706

:

come back.

707

:

So you don't have to deal

with silly olein anymore.

708

:

Ha ha, ha.

709

:

but you know, she used like

going to hit him again and just

710

:

like, hesitates can't do it.

711

:

And he's like, oh,

712

:

things like violence don't

fill you up anymore, huh?

713

:

The, the Petty Affairs

don't, don't do it for you.

714

:

You just uh,

715

:

Xhafer: Yeah, sex and booze won't

fill that hole in your heart anymore.

716

:

Laura: mm-hmm.

717

:

Xhafer: You need the hero's journey now.

718

:

Laura: yeah.

719

:

You gotta fill the void with some

heroics and we gotta go find Earth.

720

:

That's what you

721

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

722

:

Laura: she asks him what happened

to her in those two months also,

723

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

724

:

Laura: and he.

725

:

Just says, that's in the past.

726

:

Now that doesn't matter,

which makes me suspicious

727

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

Laura: because I, I know I'm supposed

to be thinking, oh, she's a asylum, and

730

:

she had to go, they, they rebooted her.

731

:

They cloned her or something.

732

:

I don't know, but

733

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

734

:

Laura: I'm like, I, I think

the cylons fucked with her.

735

:

I don't, I don't think she's just a

silent, I think somebody fucked with her.

736

:

So.

737

:

Xhafer: Well, Leoben tells Kara

that she isn't Kara anymore, that

738

:

she is now an Angel of Destiny.

739

:

Laura: Ugh, barf.

740

:

That's very hybrid of him.

741

:

He got that from the hybrid, right?

742

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I think He says that, yeah.

743

:

Laura: He didn't, he didn't come up with

that one on his own, is what I'm saying.

744

:

Like

745

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

746

:

Laura: not off the dome.

747

:

He, he gets it from somewhere else.

748

:

He's plagiarizing.

749

:

Xhafer: Uh, Demetrius crew,

uh, discuss their, uh...

750

:

Oh my God, what is that word?

751

:

That's not English.

752

:

My handwriting is bad.

753

:

That is pretty bad.

754

:

Laura: Oh no,

755

:

Xhafer: That is bad for me.

756

:

Laura: you can't even interpret it.

757

:

Xhafer: Nope.

758

:

Laura: Well, I know that they

were like arguing with Hilo and

759

:

then Starbuck comes to like give

760

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

761

:

Laura: a eulogy, which

762

:

Xhafer: Yes.

763

:

Laura: very bad.

764

:

Xhafer: It's the most demoralizing

funeral in military history.

765

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

766

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

767

:

Laura: does accept responsibility

for Matthias dying like, like

768

:

that was my call and this mission

has been really difficult.

769

:

tries to like, well, I've got the, I've

got the coordinates in for us to go back

770

:

to the fleet, so it, it's gonna be okay.

771

:

And she's like, oh no,

we're not doing that

772

:

Xhafer: No.

773

:

Papadama really should have

put Hilo in charge here.

774

:

Laura: Right.

775

:

Xhafer: but, uh, after she's all like.

776

:

"We're going to the Cylons," it's

immediately a problem, and Hilo has

777

:

to take out Pike, who's one of the

Nuggets, before it goes any further.

778

:

Laura: gets out the pistol

and like whips him with it.

779

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

780

:

Laura: that's how serious this

is getting because that man

781

:

was running off to mutiny.

782

:

Xhafer: Yes, he was.

783

:

Laura: He says something

nasty to heal though.

784

:

Xhafer: he sure did, and that

was the last straw for Hilo.

785

:

It's like, "Oh, of course

you're gonna defend a Cylon."

786

:

He's just all like, "Oh, fuck you time."

787

:

Punches him, pulls out his

pistol, knocks him out.

788

:

Laura: Yeah.

789

:

Xhafer: Gaius goes to Tyrol's

quarters here to apologize.

790

:

He admits that he barely knew Callie.

791

:

Uh, he says life, uh, becomes a mixture

both of what we are and what happens

792

:

to us, and fate intervenes as it will.

793

:

as He, goes to leave, Tyrol

offers Baltar his hand.

794

:

Laura: He, he does some

excellent speechifying here,

795

:

Xhafer: Sure does.

796

:

Laura: not like he, he says, I have

committed unconscionable crimes

797

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

798

:

Laura: this is my last chance

at redemption, but just saying

799

:

unconscionable crimes like.

800

:

That's so much, that's so vague.

801

:

Like there's so much imagination in that.

802

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

803

:

I

804

:

Laura: of

805

:

Xhafer: have no laws to

fit his crimes, so...

806

:

Laura: And Tyrell can fill that void of

unconscionable crimes with new Caprica

807

:

stuff because that's where, where he

was heavily involved and he, he can't

808

:

even fathom what the biggest crime is

809

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

810

:

It's way worse than that.

811

:

Way worse than New Caprica somehow.

812

:

Laura: So, you know, even though he

like gives this pretty sincere sounding

813

:

apology and says he would've liked to

have known Callie better, and Tyrell

814

:

Danes to shake his hand,

815

:

oh, kind of hollow.

816

:

Xhafer: we cut back over to the Demetrius,

which is getting ready to jump, as

817

:

Athena reminds Hilo that he can end this.

818

:

He brings his doubts to Kara, Gaeta

chirping along right with him.

819

:

He brings up if they miss this

window, they won't be able to

820

:

catch up to the fleet later.

821

:

Laura: Yeah.

822

:

Xhafer: they need to make this rendezvous

and meet up with the fleet, otherwise

823

:

they literally won't know where they are

824

:

Laura: Yeah.

825

:

Adama apparently said like, you have

60 days, you have to come back, we

826

:

Xhafer: meet you here.

827

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

828

:

We'll meet you here, or we assume

you're dead and we move on.

829

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

830

:

And who the fuck knows

where they're going?

831

:

Yeah.

832

:

It's just like they're almost out of fuel.

833

:

Like, I don't know how they're planning

on making these jumps the way they

834

:

talk about how little fuel they have,

835

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

836

:

Xhafer: so.

837

:

Laura: Yeah.

838

:

And so I, I wondered after

we see the end of this scene,

839

:

the beginning of this scene.

840

:

It is that Athena's incredulous that

Hilo still intends to go on, or have

841

:

they discussed it and Helo is gonna

mutiny and she's weirded out by him?

842

:

Mutiny

843

:

Xhafer: I don't think Helo knows

he's gonna Mutiny until he mutinies.

844

:

Laura: Yeah.

845

:

Xhafer: seems very Helo.

846

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

847

:

The, MBO mutiny.

848

:

Xhafer: For sure.

849

:

Uh, so Kara orders him to jump.

850

:

He refuses the order.

851

:

She goes, "Okay, you're relieved of duty.

852

:

Mr.

853

:

Gaeta, you're now the XO.

854

:

Take the jump."

855

:

And he's all like, "No."

856

:

Laura: Yeah, because ga, because

G is definitely gonna do that.

857

:

If Helo wouldn't do that, he's

858

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

859

:

Laura: Our gada

860

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

861

:

Laura: no one's gonna follow this

order without you shooting Hilo

862

:

in the head like Admiral Kane did.

863

:

Xhafer: For sure.

864

:

That's, uh, basically a requirement.

865

:

Yeah.

866

:

Laura: Starbuck doesn't have it in her, so

867

:

Xhafer: Nope.

868

:

Laura: that, that's good.

869

:

need to people in the

head for being right.

870

:

Xhafer: Right.

871

:

then Helo revie- uh, relieves Starbuck

of command to the to be continued.

872

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

873

:

It's pretty funny in a way when

Anders is like, hold on everybody,

874

:

let's think about this for a second.

875

:

And Starbucks like, no idiot.

876

:

They did

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Xhafer: It's like They all did

878

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Laura: Uhhuh.

879

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Xhafer: Anders is the only one who's

gonna back up Starbuck, and she's

880

:

just like, "What are you doing?"

881

:

Laura: He is the only one who

did not consider Mutiny at all.

882

:

They didn't invite him

to the Mutiny meetings.

883

:

Xhafer: No, for sure.

884

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Laura: He's just out flying around

in his viper doing whatever little

885

:

mission, and they're having the meeting

while he's out of the house, you know?

886

:

Xhafer: For sure.

887

:

Oh, yeah.

888

:

Yeah, you can't invite Anders to that.

889

:

You know he's gonna tell Starbies.

890

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Laura: he's too Jimbo.

891

:

He's

892

:

too him.

893

:

Xhafer: All right.

894

:

Well, Laura, on a scale of

one to 12 colonies, how did

895

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you feel about this episode?

896

:

Laura: It was better than the last one.

897

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Xhafer: That's literally all

I wrote next to my rating.

898

:

Laura: It was better than the last

one, but I'm still like, I don't know.

899

:

I'm, it's kind of dragging out

like the final five stuff did.

900

:

Xhafer: Yep.

901

:

I mean, I told you this was gonna happen.

902

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It's...

903

:

This is also part one of a two-parter, so

904

:

Laura: that's true.

905

:

That's true.

906

:

So like, I, I felt more generous.

907

:

Like this could be like a six or seven

where last one was four or five for me.

908

:

Uh,

909

:

Xhafer: I give...

910

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I'm giving this one a six out of 12.

911

:

It feels real middle of the road.

912

:

Laura: Yeah, I just, I need you to pay

off some of this stuff with Leo Obin.

913

:

I do want to see what's

up at the base star.

914

:

See like how bad a shape is that in?

915

:

I'm very curious.

916

:

Xhafer: you'll find out next episode.

917

:

It's season four, episode six, "Faith."

918

:

The fleet must try to adapt

to the new status quo.

919

:

Your Nana visits.

920

:

Laura: Not the not visitor.

921

:

She's not in the show.

922

:

Right.

923

:

Xhafer: I don't know.

924

:

Maybe she is.

925

:

Maybe she's in a guest

spot for next episode.

926

:

Laura: I really hope you wouldn't make

that joke and then it not be true.

927

:

Xhafer: That'd be really disappointing.

928

:

It'd be really rude of me.

929

:

No, no, Na- Nana Visitor is

a guest in the next episode.

930

:

Laura: Okay.

931

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it, it's fun.

932

:

Laura: That's

933

:

Xhafer: it's not fun actually.

934

:

It's...

935

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But, uh, it's great to

see her, but it's not fun.

936

:

Laura: Uh

937

:

Oh.

938

:

Xhafer: I don't remember exactly how...

939

:

I, like...

940

:

I remember what her character's

basic arc is, but, uh, I, I haven't

941

:

watched that episode in so long.

942

:

So I remember it not being fun, but, you

know, it's Nana Visitor, so we're happy.

943

:

Laura: It would be really entertaining

for me Nana visitor shows up as like some

944

:

sort of priestess, all like high wind in.

945

:

Xhafer: I'm not gonna answer anything.

946

:

Laura: I'll just, I'll find out

in a couple days when I watch it.

947

:

It's fine.

948

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

949

:

Laura: but I'm thinking that

we didn't introduce Chekhov's

950

:

Bay Star in episode one.

951

:

For us not to at least

talk about and plans to go

952

:

Xhafer: there's Basestar...

953

:

There, there's Basestar

updates next episode.

954

:

You...

955

:

Laura: think episode

two, we gotta pay that

956

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

957

:

Laura: little

958

:

bit.

959

:

Right?

960

:

Xhafer: There'll, be some

Basestar stuff, don't you worry.

961

:

Laura: Okay.

962

:

Xhafer: All right.

963

:

Well, I guess that's that for this

week, And you can hear us talk

964

:

about Nineveh Visitor next week.

965

:

But before then, we should probably say

thank you to Jeremy Siegel, among others.

966

:

Jeremy, thanks so much

for doing our theme music.

967

:

We appreciate the hell out of it.

968

:

You can find more of Jeremy's work

at jeremysegal42.bandcamp.com.

969

:

Laura: And thanks angry duck time machine

on Instagram for the podcast artwork.

970

:

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for editing

this episode, and preemptive thanks for

971

:

editing next episode, which I'm guessing

is going to be a fucking nightmare based

972

:

off of the bit we've already got planned.

973

:

Laura: Indeed and thanks

listener for being with us.

974

:

If

975

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

976

:

Laura: our bits, get in the discord.

977

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

978

:

Laura: make jokes at each

other offline as well.

979

:

Xhafer: It's true.

980

:

I do love a good joke in the Discord.

981

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

982

:

Xhafer: All right.

983

:

Well, we'll see you next week, internet

984

:

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.