BSG S4E6 - Computer Goo
Laura and Xhafer expose the dark side of the transporter industry. Laura needs to know if Billy went to heaven. Xhafer plans to live forever. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 6: Faith.
Discord: https://discord.gg/MUHKDDk6TN
Transcript
Hey, listener.
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:Uh, This is a sad one.
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:little content warning up at the top here.
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:This is the one where Nana Visitor
visits the show and then dies of cancer.
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:And we're gonna talk about
that, along with everything
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:else that happens in this one.
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:if that's gonna be too much for
you, I, I mean, I fucking get it.
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:But I'll talk about that in the episode.
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:But don't worry about that.
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:You know, skip this one.
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:That's cool.
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:We'll see you next week
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:Laura: hello, and
welcome to "Who Are You?"
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:We're a sci-fi watchcast by a couple of
former strangers who are now friends and
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:watching 2004's "Battlestar Galactica."
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:I'm Laura,
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:Xhafer: And I'm Jafeir.
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:Laura: and this is a doozy.
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:I don't know how much preamble we
are gonna do on this one, but...
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:Xhafer: have, like, six and a half
pages of notes, which is about
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:a page and a half more than I
normally manage for an episode.
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:Laura: I don't even
know for me on this one.
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:I was pretty detailed, but,
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:Xhafer: is dense, but in a good way.
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:Laura: yeah, for sure.
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:For sure.
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:We're not just, like, I don't know,
rehashing worries about finding,
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:figuring out who the final five are.
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:Like, there's some actual meat.
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:Xhafer: a bunch of shit
happens in this episode, and it
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:Laura: Yes.
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:Xhafer: one of the most
emotionally devastating B plots,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: that we've had in this show far.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah, I, I wanna put some context
on where I'm coming from, how
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:I encountered this episode for
everyone, for the listener especially,
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Laura: 'cause Javery
already kinda knows, right?
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:'Cause
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:Xhafer: Yes, we will, 'cause we,
'cause we talk, and sometimes
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:that talk is not recorded, so
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:Laura: Yeah, on occasion.
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:Xhafer: been known to.
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:Laura: so listener, I encountered
this episode, I think, I don't know,
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:Thursday or Friday night, and They
liked it, for one thing, you know?
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:Went, went well.
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:then Saturday night I went to see
Mahler's Resurrection Symphony,
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:which is super apt for this episode.
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:Very well coincidentally timed.
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:And then the following day, our
Australian shepherd, who has been a
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:m- member of our family for 14 years,
um, passed away after a long decline.
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:She's probably about 16 years old.
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:You never quite know with rescue animals.
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:But she had stopped eating in the
last few days of the week, and we
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:made the decision to uh, try to have
a veterinarian come to our home and
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:help us through those last few hours.
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:So yeah, a lot of really weird stuff
to encounter all at once together.
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:Some of it maybe, I don't
know, instructional, healing,
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:something along those lines.
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:Um, but I've gotta say, if you haven't
listened to the Resurrection Symphony,
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:Mahler's Number 2 find yourself a copy,
and especially look at the translation of
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:the choral lyrics and the, the contralto
solo that's in that, because boy, does it
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:just, like, hit this episode on the nose.
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:Yeah,
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:Xhafer: yeah, sorry for your loss.
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:I, I, I know we've talked, but uh,
just while we're, like, here, just it
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:Laura: Sure.
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:Xhafer: Uh,
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:Laura: Look like an
asshole for the listener.
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:From the listener's perspective,
I am a complete dick.
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:But, yeah, no, it's it's tough.
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:Um,
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: I have been fortunate
in that regard that uh,
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:Puff's still doing real good.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: 10 now.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: but, you know, Beth's
lost a dog and a cat in her
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:Laura: Fairly recently, yeah.
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:Xhafer: recently within the within
about a year of each other here.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:. Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: Just not fair that their
lives are a fraction of ours.
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:Like...
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:Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.
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:I've, I, It, it-- today's
Mother's Day as we're recording.
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:Happy Mother's
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: by the way.
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:Laura: Oh, thanks.
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:Yeah
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:Xhafer: Yeah, just I think I said that
in a chat, chat too, but I'm not sure if
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:it was a group chat you were in or not.
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:So my mom came over today,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: and my brother-in-law
and their puppy,
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:Laura: Aw.
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:Xhafer: and seeing the difference
in the puppy and 10-year-old Puff
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: me just looking
at it like, "Oh, God."
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:Ugh.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: mean, she's always been
a real quiet dog and a real
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:Laura: Sure.
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:Xhafer: is a Australian herder
of some variety, a big floof dog
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:Laura: High, high energy.
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:Sure, yeah.
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:Xhafer: I wrestled this dog for probably
20 minutes today in multiple bouts.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: this dog has nonstop energy, and
my- Puff is just sitting there on the sofa
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:watching me wrestle this dog like, "I'm
so glad I'm not doing this right now."
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:like, "You, you have fun, Dad.
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:I'm out."
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yep.
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:It's, it's interesting when you've had
them when they were young and energetic,
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:and then all of a sudden you're like,
"Oh, wait, they're not anymore."
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:I'm not anymore.
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:Ugh.
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:Laura: Yeah, same.
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:Same.
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:Xhafer: All
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: 4, Episode 6, "Faith."
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:Laura: Yeah, I wanna tell you what I wrote
at the top of my notes, 'cause I'm doing
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:this to, like, remind myself that I need
to watch for these things in the episode.
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:So I have Gracchus watch.
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:Where the hell is Gracchus?
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: what about Nikki?
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:'Cause just don't think we're
thinking enough about Nikki
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:Xhafer: We don't like kids in this show.
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:What about
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:Laura: No.
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:And
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:Xhafer: It's
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:Laura: then where is Hera?
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:Which I do believe we'll
get some stuff answered, but
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: yeah, not here.
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:Xhafer: Nicki, Boxey, all kids, not paid.
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:They did not have tutors
on set for these kids.
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:They just stopped showing up.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah, yeah.
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:But the episode wants us to remember
that Rosalyn's got cancer again,
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:Xhafer: Yep.
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:Laura: and she was apparently
taking Kamala, but it's...
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:I, I started wondering, like,
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:Xhafer: now.
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:Laura: yeah, is she actually
taking any Kamala anymore?
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:Do we have any evidence of that?
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:Xhafer: I don't know if
she's on the Kamala anymore.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: given up on the Kamala.
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:I think we've all given up on the Kamala.
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:We thought it was gonna work out.
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:It didn't work out.
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:We're g- we've given up on the
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:It's not
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:Xhafer: The Kamala did not work out,
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:Laura: a good idea.
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:Kamala does not work
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:Xhafer: on
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:Laura: out.
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:Uh, Spucks is thinking about
a gas giant of some kind.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, we see the little...
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:Some paintings,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: then we
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:Laura: Because we uh, a bit about
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:Xhafer: basically the
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:Laura: the last, like, minute
of the previous episode
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:Xhafer: on as well,
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:Laura: and,
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:Xhafer: where are
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:Laura: that's where we left off-
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:Xhafer: res.
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:Laura: are about to go and things are
getting heated, and that's where we open
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:in the And we get a flashback to when
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:Xhafer: the
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:Laura: he
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:Xhafer: Helo's order.
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:Laura: Yes, this is so awful.
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:Xhafer: It is gruesome.
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:It is way more gruesome
than I remembered it.
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:Laura: Uh-huh.
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:At,
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:Xhafer: out.
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:Laura: at first you think, like, "Oh,
he just, like, shot him in the ankle,"
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:or whatever, but then we actually,
like, are gonna dig around in this,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: because, Kara gets away, or Athena
lets Starbuck go in shock, and she's
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:immediately, like, taking charge of, like,
"Y'all fuckers don't know what you're
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: I'm still captain and I'm
gonna try to fix this leg," and
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:she's, like, digging the bullet out
of the wound, and it's so gross.
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:She, like, sprinkles, powder,
pain powder basically in
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:Xhafer: Yeah,
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:Laura: wound 'cause she's like...
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:Xhafer: the wound or something,
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:Laura: Yeah, she's like,
"This is gonna hurt."
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:Xhafer: screaming and
they give him some Morpho.
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:Laura: Ugh.
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:Xhafer: Morpha?
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:Morpho is a superhero.
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:I think Morpha is the drug
that they're using in this.
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:Laura: Morpho.
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:Yeah, Morpho's also a butterfly.
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:Xhafer: that is true.
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:Laura: Yeah, and so we're just gonna
slap him in a bunk 'cause I guess
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:Seelix can't handle this, right?
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:'Cause Seelix is a medic, right?
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:Right?
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:Xhafer: is
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: it's bad enough for
Starbuck to go lucid and be
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:like, "Oh, you know what, Helo?
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:You're actually right.
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:We didn't need to shoot Gaeta in the leg.
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:this would be way better if I just
took a Raptor and did it solo."
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:me
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: in a ship, and
Anders is like, "Like hell."
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:and then Athena's, like, drafted in, too.
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:She a- she agrees, but it's
just like, "I need someone who
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:speaks Cylon just in case."
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:Laura: Yeah, because she didn't
know that she's got someone who
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:maybe could speak a little Cylon.
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:Xhafer: That's one of the
funniest bits of this episode.
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:We'll get to it.
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:Um,
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:and
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: out.
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:Um, they're gonna go check on Leoben's
story and check out this Basestar.
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:Hot Dog calculates how long they have
to make this jump back to the fleet
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:before they leave without them, and
it's 15 hours and seven minutes.
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:So they start the clock for 15
hours and seven minutes to theme.
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:Survivor count: 39,675.
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:We are down one, which is
Sergeant Matthias last episode.
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:Laura: Oh, right.
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:Yeah.
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:What a bummer.
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:Xhafer: it has been like two
weeks since we recorded, so
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: I will
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:Laura: not keeping up with the count.
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:Xhafer: the website that I was using
for the survivor count appears to
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:have gone down in between recordings.
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:I could not find it today.
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:Laura: Oh, no.
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:Xhafer: my notes and see who died.
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:Laura: Yeah, definitely Uh, Kind
of a big deal considering we don't
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:really know how trustworthy Luoben is.
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:It does seem like that
was just an accident,
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:Xhafer: It does.
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:It does seem like it was
just an accident, doesn't it?
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Nothing, nothing to uh, point towards
not an accident at this time, right?
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:Xhafer: Rosalind is with Tory on
Colonial One packing up stuff as-
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:since they're gonna head to Galactica
for her next round of space chemo, and
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: shit like she did for
most of this season so far.
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:She looked very sleep deprived.
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:Laura: Right.
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:Xhafer: So like, she looks
like she took a shower today,
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:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
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:Xhafer: a change, so...
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:Laura: Speaking of funny things in this
episode that is ostensibly not funny,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: this bald cap they put
on Roslin, not good, right?
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:Xhafer: It's not great.
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:Laura: It's not great.
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:You can tell that there's hair, like it's-
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:Xhafer: bulgy.
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:Yeah.
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:It's like, like obviously like
when you're bald your hair-
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:your head looks big, right?
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:That's
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:it, but it looks so
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:Laura: Yeah, no.
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:Xhafer: little bit of texture and
coloring to it, she'd look like
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:one of the Mars Attacks aliens.
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:Laura: Right, right.
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:I really,
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:I really wish that they had kept
with the scarf or something.
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:I know they were probably trying to go
for, like, dramatic and shocking, but
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:they had the scarf over her head, or maybe
they do that more in this, this episode.
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:Xhafer: We get...
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:Laura: It is better.
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:Xhafer: this episode, the shawl, yeah.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: mission to the base star
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:Laura: Thanks for telling me who
that was, 'cause I had no fucking
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:Xhafer: That's Jean.
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:Laura: idea.
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:Okay.
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:Xhafer: Jean's a great
background character.
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:She is one of the pro pyramid players
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:Laura: Oh, we've had
this conversation before,
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:Xhafer: She's been around for forever.
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:She's the one that you confuse with Selik
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:Laura: I was going to say that, that I
always think that they're the same person.
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:Xhafer: They do look kind of similar,
and they both have proximity to Anders,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: it's...
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:And you d- we rarely get
both of them together to make
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: more frustrating.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I even wrote, "Is this
Felix who volunteers here?"
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:And then later in, I find
out, no, definitely was not.
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:But I don't know what my problem is.
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:I just don't have it.
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:I don't have it.
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:Xhafer: Helo checks in on Gaeta, and
Gaeta's like, "I don't wanna lose my leg.
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:need to jump back so you can
get me to Cottle, because every
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:minute that we're here is a minute
I'm closer to losing this leg."
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:And he goes all like, "Bitch, you know
I ain't jumping with- till the last
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:possible minute or they get back."
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:Like, "You know this."
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: wife's on that ship, like, like I,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: I also feel like the math and
the possibility exists to like jump back
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:like well before they could possibly come
back, get some more fuel real quick, drop
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:Gaeta off, and then go back and just be
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: don't leave for like 15
hours, or we, we will be right back."
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:Laura: Yes.
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:Yep.
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:I, I am unclear.
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:Xhafer: We'll explain it all later."
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:Laura: Yeah, I am so unclear.
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:There's a couple of, like, jump-related
choices in this and the next episode that
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:I'm like, "I am unclear why we can't just-
Work around this a little bit, you know.
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:I think in the next episode there's
some, like, technobabble reasons why,
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:but here I'm not convinced that we
couldn't just jump and drop Gaeta off.
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:Xhafer: Do they not have-- They,
they don't have any more Raptors?
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:They just have the one Raptor too,
so it's not like they've got a small
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:ship that they could just send him on,
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:Laura: Yeah, but it's like
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:Xhafer: take him."
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:Laura: you could jump in and get on
the horn immediately to Galactica
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:and be like, "Come get Gaeta."
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:You need to come get Gaeta
to Cottle immediately,
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:Laura: Right.
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:Xhafer: Uh, and bring,
like, a little fuel, and
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: back in a couple minutes, guys.
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:Laura: Yeah, and like In the time that
that Raptor is coming to get Gaeta, you
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:can explain a lot of what just happened.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:But no, none of that.
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:Laura: Nope.
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:Nope.
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:Okay.
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:Xhafer: and it's bad times for Gaeta.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:There is a bit of nasty, creepy Leoben
business in here where he gets to talk
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:to Athena for a second and says that,
"The Eight talk about you all the time."
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:And they do.
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:We fi- we see that in the episode.
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:Laura: Yeah, but like, the Cylon's
got no sense of timing, like
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:what's appropriate to say when.
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:It happens in this one, it's
gonna happen in the next one,
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:that it's like, "Don't do that."
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:I don't care if it's true.
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:Keep your goddamn mouth shut.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: Oh, well.
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:Xhafer: fair.
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:Laura: But our Raptor's going off to
look for the base ship and there's
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:like so much debris where they jump to.
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:Xhafer: into base ship guts.
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:Just
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: guts everywhere.
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:Laura: Dradis is like a mess
because of all the, the broody
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:parts floating around in space.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, space birdies.
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:It's bad.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Leoben says that Starbuck can
hear the unstruck music, and
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Laura: that's when she takes
over the controls and just,
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:like, pilots her way to the ship.
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:She just knows.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Anders is all like, "Oh,
Starbuck hears the music?
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:Funny how that worked, huh?
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:Can we talk more about the music Leoben?"
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:Laura: Yeah, I don't
think it's that, though.
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:I think this is metaphor music.
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:I don't think this is literal music.
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:At least for now.
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:Xhafer: I will abstain for the sake
of possible or non-possible spoilies.
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:I...
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:Wait.
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:Wait, no, I have a thing.
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:Maybe.
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:Laura: So
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:Xhafer: It's
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:Laura: I keep waiting.
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:I f- uh, we ... When we've talked
about- How I'm sticking to my
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:guns that Starbuck is human,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: that there's supposed
to be something that's really
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:gonna make me question that.
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:You kind of alluded to there's
gonna be a thing, and I don't
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:feel like we've hit it yet.
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:Oh,
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:Xhafer: You'll know.
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:Laura: no.
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:Okay.
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:'Cause I was like, is this a case of
Laura's just that, like, thick about it?
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:Xhafer: No,
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Xhafer: one, you're not.
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:But two, no.
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:You will-- The thing will--
When I, when the thing happens,
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:the thing will be very obvious,
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Xhafer: not the thing you are expecting.
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:Laura: Well, okay.
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:All right.
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:That was so helpful and useful.
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:Xhafer: Do you want me to tell you?
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:Laura: No, of course not.
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:Xhafer: we're 14 episodes
away from the end here.
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:I could just ruin it all.
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:Laura: Do you wanna do it all?
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:No, let's not.
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:Xhafer: strong?
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:Okay, cool.
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:We'll,
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:Laura: We've done so well.
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:Xhafer: I know.
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:God, just a random episode in season four,
Jafer snaps and starts shouting spoilers.
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:No.
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:Um, we'll make it.
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:It's fine.
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:You just gotta have a little faith, Laura.
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:Laura: Kara hears the
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:Xhafer: hears the
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:Laura: music, takes the
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:Xhafer: takes the wheel,
and drives them straight
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:Laura: bait, and
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:Xhafer: from her painting.
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:She thought it was a comet around this
gas giant, but surprise, it's a base star.
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:Laura: drives them straight
to the scene of the murder.
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:She thought it was common sense that they
would try to get rid of the big weapon.
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:A very unwell Basestar.
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:Yeah.
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:I wrote down that I don't like
this look on Leoben's face.
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:Don't know what that look
was, but I can imagine.
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:I don't really like any look
on Leoben's face, to be fair.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Before they can do anything, the Raptor
gets hit, and they land on the Cylon ship
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:immediately, and we miss all of this.
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:We just get the little bit through Kara.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah, Starbuck comes to, and somehow
we've made it to the Basestar.
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:I assume it's because, let's
see, Athena was good pilot.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: Also unlikely to
just pass out, Sharon, so.
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:She's looking at the Raptor when she gets
accosted by a bunch of fangirl Eights.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, a bunch of Sharons
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:Laura: They're so excited to see her.
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:Xhafer: leader.
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:Be our leader, please.
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:We wanna revolt against the Sixes,
but we can only do it if you tell us."
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:Laura: Yeah, the Sixes are so bad at this.
484
:They keep fucking up.
485
:They need to be stopped,
Athena is not impressed.
486
:Xhafer: like, "You guys suck.
487
:Why
488
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
489
:Xhafer: choice for yourself?"
490
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
491
:She's like, "You gotta pick a
side, and you gotta stick to it."
492
:Like
493
:Xhafer: Yeah.
494
:need a little faith.
495
:Laura: Yeah, it seems like Athena's
the only one of the Sharons who's
496
:reasonably done this, right?
497
:Picked a side, stuck to it.
498
:Boomer sort of picked a side,
but then did not stick to it.
499
:Xhafer: yeah.
500
:Laura: Yeah.
501
:Xhafer: now, too.
502
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
503
:Yeah, we had the whole, like
you know, well, we shot Adama.
504
:That's a big one.
505
:And like, go back and we revolt with the
sixes, and then oh, that didn't work very
506
:well, and now we're like, fucking Cavil?
507
:Like, what?
508
:Xhafer: Yeah.
509
:Laura: What?
510
:No good.
511
:Xhafer: I don't get it, but that's fine.
512
:Laura: Yeah.
513
:Yeah.
514
:But uh, Athena's saying stick to something
or you're never gonna have anything.
515
:Xhafer: yep.
516
:Over on Galactica, Roslin has--
hears someone complaining to a
517
:nurse, and hey, it's D'Anna visitor.
518
:Let's enjoy this brief moment of joy
at seeing a familiar face before we
519
:get into her character and story.
520
:Laura: Yeah, 'cause the whole thing.
521
:Xhafer: and pause here.
522
:Laura: Mm-hmm, yep.
523
:She's definitely in a different role here.
524
:Xhafer: Yep, she is dying of cancer
and listening to Gaius preach.
525
:Laura: Yes.
526
:Rosalyn is gonna have a little moment
with her here, and goes to turn off the...
527
:I want to propose a name for this.
528
:The Gaius Wireless.
529
:Xhafer: Okay.
530
:Okay.
531
:Laura: But that is very
upsetting to Major Kira.
532
:Do we wanna call her Major Kira?
533
:What are we gonna call
534
:Xhafer: Her
535
:Laura: her?
536
:Xhafer: is Emily, her
537
:Laura: Yeah, I think, okay.
538
:I think it took them a while to say that.
539
:Xhafer: yeah, Roslin's all
like, "Well, Gaius sucks.
540
:I hate this guy, so I'm gonna
turn this off 'cause this must be
541
:bothering you like it bothers me."
542
:And she's all like, "Bitch, what?
543
:Laura: Don't touch my radio.
544
:Xhafer: right now
545
:Laura: Yes.
546
:Xhafer: as I'm laying
here literally dying."
547
:Laura: Rosalyn's pretty
struck uh, pretty hurt.
548
:She had no idea that other people
liked to listen to this and
549
:she wheels herself away for now
550
:Xhafer: Emily just wants
Roslin to have a little
551
:Laura: Six is not happy that Spex
wants to see the hybrid and that
552
:Leoben has made this promise.
553
:Xhafer: She throws shade at Leoben where
it's just like, "Look, we were willing
554
:to indulge your obsession with this human
on New Caprica when you wanted to play
555
:house, but now we're talking about the
survival of the fucking species, Leoben."
556
:Laura: Yep.
557
:But he's like, "No, there's,
there's no way around this."
558
:Xhafer: Yeah.
559
:Laura: Six is like, "Well, we could
just take their Raptor and leave."
560
:Xhafer: Yeah, just shoot him.
561
:You brought it here.
562
:Congrats, we've won.
563
:Laura: Yeah, but I mean, there's...
564
:That's so shortsighted, Six.
565
:What are you th- what are you thinking?
566
:What are you doing with a single Raptor?
567
:Like,
568
:Xhafer: Yeah.
569
:Laura: come on.
570
:Xhafer: Yeah.
571
:Laura: Yeah.
572
:And uh, unknown exactly how
many models are running around
573
:the Space Star anyway, so...
574
:Xhafer: Yeah.
575
:Six acquiesces here that
they're gonna have to form an
576
:alliance with the Colonials.
577
:Athena puts a
578
:Laura: which we can plan
together really quickly.
579
:We have 13 Space Star.
580
:We're gonna be able to
take the hybrid offline
581
:Xhafer: in
582
:Laura: in order to- Well, the hack room,
583
:Xhafer: Anders
584
:Laura: they understand that.
585
:They, like, give us a couple shots.
586
:Uh-huh.
587
:Xhafer: other Cylons using the
computer, and he's all like, "I wonder."
588
:He's, like, slowly putting
his hand in the Cylon pool of
589
:Laura: gonna do the computer goo, yeah.
590
:Xhafer: Yeah, the computer goo.
591
:But he just, like, can't bring
592
:Laura: Like-
593
:Xhafer: to do it.
594
:He's, like, afraid to.
595
:He doesn't do it a couple of times.
596
:Laura: Yeah.
597
:Xhafer: does it.
598
:Laura: And now we gotta move rooms.
599
:Oops.
600
:Yeah.
601
:Xhafer: like, talk, he uses it, right?
602
:works or it doesn't.
603
:Laura: Uh-huh.
604
:Xhafer: Presumably it would work.
605
:But, like, has a human put
their hand in there before for
606
:Laura: thought,
607
:Xhafer: if humans have done it?
608
:Laura: I thought Baltar stuck
his hand in the goo at one point.
609
:Xhafer: Baltar stick his hand in the goo?
610
:Okay, so they would
611
:Laura: Maybe, I don't know.
612
:Maybe it was hybrid goo he stuck
his hand in, not computer goo.
613
:I could've sworn,
614
:Xhafer: goo.
615
:Laura: I could've sworn he did some goo.
616
:Yeah.
617
:Xhafer: I'm just wondering if, like,
they're like, "Oh, humans can use those?"
618
:when he does it and just
totally downplay it.
619
:Laura: Would be so interesting, yeah.
620
:Xhafer: a funny moment
that doesn't happen.
621
:Laura: Ugh, but Anders
just doesn't have faith.
622
:Xhafer: So Six and Gene working on
connecting the Raptor to the Baystar.
623
:Laura: Ah.
624
:Xhafer: is all like, "Oh,
you fucking killed me on New
625
:Caprica," and then kills Gene.
626
:And I am spaghetti because Gene goes
out in a manner completely of her
627
:character because she's been tr- been
portrayed as nothing but a badass
628
:since day 40 when we first met her,
629
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
630
:Xhafer: out like a chump.
631
:She's like backhanded from
a Six and is just dead.
632
:Laura: I also think that the, remark she
makes that triggers the Six to, like, do
633
:the backhanding is maybe out of character.
634
:And granted, I've mixed this person up
with another person for most of the show.
635
:But I was like, man, I just can't see
anybody outside of maybe a couple of other
636
:characters who are not here being stupid
enough to say this, where she was like,
637
:I could do it again for old time's sake,"
or something, something stupid and, and
638
:kind of aggressive in the way it's said.
639
:And I'm just like, I just don't
believe that anybody would do that.
640
:But
641
:Xhafer: Yeah.
642
:Laura: we had to have something provoking
for the Six to respond to, I guess.
643
:And I was just like,
644
:Xhafer: Yeah, it's just feels like,
oh, it's the final season, we've gotta
645
:kill a character an episode, let's go.
646
:Laura: Yeah.
647
:Xhafer: I wanna see it in the
Discord, JusticeForGene, y'all.
648
:She got done dirty.
649
:Laura: Yeah.
650
:Xhafer: standing for it.
651
:Send your angry letters to Ron D.
652
:Moore addressed in this,
the year of our Lord,:
653
:Laura: He's...
654
:Xhafer: him at STLV, I'm gonna ask
him, "Hey, you killed Gene like
655
:a bitch in Season 4, Episode 6.
656
:What was up with that?"
657
:Laura: Yeah.
658
:Yeah.
659
:Really, we just wanted to set up the
next dramatic thing that happens,
660
:which is interesting, I guess.
661
:it does look like steps toward real trust
between these folks who are here, but
662
:I'm just like, I just don't see how any
colonial character can be this stupid
663
:when they are in basically the belly of
the beast, for a lack of a better term.
664
:Xhafer: after the Six, th- so we've
got a, like, a Caprica Six style
665
:Six, and then a Gina style Six, and
the difference is Caprica Six is
666
:in the blonde, at this point, wig,
667
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
668
:Xhafer: the Gina Six is Tricia
Helfer's natural hair color
669
:Laura: Yeah.
670
:Xhafer: Um, and I can't help but wonder
if this was, like, cathartic for her.
671
:But so the the, the bleach blonde Six
Anders grabs her and is about to kill her.
672
:talks him out of it.
673
:Six, the Gina Six comes and
talks to the the blonde Six.
674
:They have a brief conversation, and
then the Gina-like Six pulls Anders'
675
:trigger, killing the other Six.
676
:And she's like, "Blood for
blood, that's human justice."
677
:And excuse me, we're, like, within
four years of your active genociding.
678
:Maybe you don't get a
high fucking horse here.
679
:Laura: No.
680
:Xhafer: And
681
:Laura: Yeah.
682
:Xhafer: high ground,
683
:Laura: I, I think it's
also Cylon justice, right?
684
:I feel like we've seen
Cylons happily do this, yes.
685
:Um,
686
:Xhafer: Yeah, but they have
no respect for life, you know?
687
:Laura: yeah.
688
:Xhafer: pshew.
689
:Laura: Right.
690
:I don't know.
691
:It, it, it's an interesting dra-
drama scene because we do have
692
:the, like, the story of the,
the Six, the Caprica-style Six
693
:Xhafer: Yeah,
694
:Laura: is talking about d-
being drowned on New Caprica.
695
:Xhafer: it's like experienced
trauma on New Caprica, which is
696
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
697
:Xhafer: to our characters.
698
:Laura: Yeah.
699
:And the other, the Gina Six is
basically taking, taking the
700
:justice into her hands and saying,
"Well, this is what we have to do."
701
:They do, like, share a weird kiss.
702
:Xhafer: Yeah.
703
:Laura: But okay.
704
:Xhafer: We found a way to
make Tricia Helfer kiss Tricia
705
:Helfer, we're gonna do it.
706
:Modern technology, good for you guys.
707
:Laura: Yeah.
708
:It's that...
709
:s- We know what the sci-fi audience wants.
710
:Xhafer: Yeah.
711
:This was after they rebranded to SIFY, so
712
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
713
:Xhafer: I
714
:Laura: Is it?
715
:Xhafer: that's tr- I don't know.
716
:I
717
:Laura: I,
718
:Xhafer: true or not.
719
:Laura: I refuse to believe that
'cause I feel like it was more recent.
720
:I wanna believe it was more recent.
721
:Xhafer: Back in Med Bay, Emily calls
Rosalyn over to apologize 'cause
722
:she's on a lots of drugs, and she's
723
:Laura: Yeah.
724
:Xhafer: I'm good and
sometimes I'm bad, sorry."
725
:She gives her a shawl
with a nice floral print.
726
:She's all like, "Oh, there's this
woman on this ship that makes
727
:them for people with cancer.
728
:Laura: Yeah.
729
:Xhafer: take this, 'cause I'm
not gonna need it anymore."
730
:Laura: Ugh,
731
:Xhafer: And she, like, gets
Rosalyn to, like, feel her
732
:hair as it's been growing back.
733
:And when she does, she, like, grabs
her hand up against her head and
734
:just is like, "This is gonna get so
much worse before it gets better."
735
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
736
:Actually, I don't even think she...
737
:I don't think she even gives
us the before it gets better.
738
:I think she just says
it's gonna get worse.
739
:Xhafer: so much worse, yeah.
740
:Starbeast is brought to the hybrid who
rambles as we cut back to Emily, who
741
:tells us of her afterlife experience,
the river that she saw that lines up
742
:with the river that Baltar speaks of
as being the method of transportation
743
:between our life and the next.
744
:Laura: Yeah, she's got this fairy
she's been seeing, and she feels like
745
:there is a loving presence out there.
746
:Xhafer: a fair- a ferry,
like a large boat, not
747
:Laura: Yes.
748
:Mm-hmm.
749
:Xhafer: listener.
750
:If you
751
:Laura: Sorry.
752
:Xhafer: episode to see the boat
that they're-- They're hanging
753
:out on like a yacht sometimes.
754
:Laura: Yeah, she's not on, like,
the really weird drugs, right?
755
:She's just having the boat vision
and that there's something there
756
:that's gonna take her over, and she's
like, "May- maybe Baltar's, like,
757
:right, and there's something else
out there that we, we can't see."
758
:Xhafer: Yeah.
759
:Laura: but back on the base
ship, the hybrid be rambling.
760
:Xhafer: Yep, this is not
making sense to Kara.
761
:We cut over, see that the
timer has four hours left.
762
:We see Gaeta is in rough fucking shape.
763
:And then Sharon, a Sharon,
goes to unplug the hybrid.
764
:It starts screaming.
765
:the Centurion freaks out, goes to stop
them, that Sharon, and then Starbuck
766
:and Athena take out the Centurion.
767
:Laura: This is so weird.
768
:I don't know what to think of it yet.
769
:I know that Cavil told us the
Centurions were gonna be a problem.
770
:Xhafer: Well, yeah, they've got
their free will now which means
771
:the Centurion should have trusted
that everything was gonna work out.
772
:You know, he just needed some faith.
773
:Laura: I don't, I don't...
774
:I feel like there's bigger problems
coming with the Centurions.
775
:It's weird to me that if the Centurions
have free will, that we shot, like,
776
:this one, and it wasn't a problem
for any others that are on the ship.
777
:They seem fine, I guess.
778
:but i- is this implying that maybe
the Centurions aren't very smart?
779
:Like, he couldn't comprehend what
was happening except that the ship
780
:is in pain, and I must stop it?
781
:Xhafer: Maybe.
782
:Uh,
783
:Laura: Do they know
something we don't know?
784
:Xhafer: also maybe.
785
:Laura: Hmm.
786
:I don't know if we're gonna get answers.
787
:Okay.
788
:Yeah.
789
:Xhafer: that Sharon's blood
fills the hybrid bathtub, turning
790
:it from a milky white to a red
791
:Laura: yeah.
792
:Xhafer: right before they pull the plug,
the hybrid goes lucid, acknowledges Kara,
793
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
794
:Xhafer: "Thus will it come to pass.
795
:The dying leader will know
the truth of the opera house.
796
:The missing three will give you the five
who have come from the home of the 13th.
797
:You are the harbinger of death,
Kara Thrace, and you will lead
798
:them to all to their end."
799
:Laura: End of line.
800
:Xhafer: End of line.
801
:Yep.
802
:Laura: I wrote it all down too.
803
:Xhafer: Yeah.
804
:Laura: Yeah.
805
:Xhafer: unplugs the hybrid,
the base star goes dark.
806
:Laura: Wonderful.
807
:Xhafer: Talk theology here.
808
:Preaches for the Cylon god.
809
:Emily says that a god that's true belongs
to all, else they aren't much of a god.
810
:Laura: Mm, sure.
811
:Xhafer: and Emily retorts that the Lords
of Kobol, who are even more ridiculous
812
:in their stories and evil in nature,
are significantly less believable.
813
:Laura: Yeah.
814
:And Rosalyn tries to be like,
"Well, you're not supposed to,
815
:like, really believe in them.
816
:They're metaphors."
817
:But n- Nana Visitor's not impressed.
818
:Xhafer: No.
819
:No, she is not.
820
:Um, she's like, "Zeus is just
handing out fates from a jar.
821
:Your fate is to survive a genocide so
that you could be in a cramped freighter
822
:for three years and then die of cancer?
823
:Laura: Right.
824
:Xhafer: Who, who the fuck
are these gods doing this?
825
:This is terrible.
826
:How could you believe in this?"
827
:Laura: Yeah, that is rough.
828
:Uh, I'll give you that.
829
:Um, Rosalyn tells a little story
about how her mother thought Aphrodite
830
:would come and take her away as
she was dying from her cancer.
831
:Like, literally g- the goddess
would appear and take her off.
832
:and she remembers that her mom
faded away and was terrified
833
:of a black abyss as she died.
834
:Xhafer: Yep.
835
:And uh, Emily brings
up- A valid point here.
836
:Emily says that this is all just
Rosalind's perspective of her mother's
837
:death, not her mother's perspective
838
:Laura: That's true, yeah.
839
:Mm-hmm.
840
:Xhafer: It's like you don't
know what she was experiencing.
841
:You are applying what you reason
to be that experience to it, which
842
:is improper, which is 100% fair.
843
:Rosalind doesn't know what dying is
like, and to be absolutely convinced
844
:it's this terrible, dark experience
just because you saw someone die.
845
:Like, I empathize with that.
846
:That's not...
847
:I mean, I...
848
:My dad died of cancer-related stuff.
849
:I held his hand as he passed.
850
:Like, I have had a very
similar experience to this,
851
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
852
:Xhafer: it is heavy, a- but it's also
just like this is a valid perspective.
853
:It's all like my perspective of
those events is different his,
854
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
855
:Xhafer: will not know his perspective
of those events probably ever,
856
:because I'm not going to die.
857
:So I don't have to
worry about it too much.
858
:Laura: Right, right, yeah.
859
:Xhafer: Yeah, w-
860
:Laura: Same.
861
:Mm-hmm.
862
:Xhafer: figure out immortality
before I have to worry about it,
863
:Laura: Just upload me in the cloud, baby.
864
:Xhafer: Oh, no, th- the gene
editing's way easier, and then I don't
865
:have to worry about consciousness
transference, which is always bullshit.
866
:You're not getting me
in a teleporter either.
867
:Laura: Mm,
868
:Xhafer: You--
869
:Laura: true.
870
:Xhafer: machines.
871
:Laura: Yeah, don't, don't break apart
my molecules and put them back together.
872
:I like these molecules where they are.
873
:Xhafer: current order and
standing that they are in.
874
:Maybe I could use stand to lose a few,
but that's something else entirely.
875
:Laura: Yeah, I mean, it-- that's,
that's gonna be the dark, one of
876
:the dark sides of the transporter
industry when it happens, right?
877
:Is that we're gonna
use it for weight loss.
878
:It's gonna be another
tool of the diet industry.
879
:Xhafer: y- I mean, why do
you think they're all so fit?
880
:Do you think it's 'cause they're
in a pseudo-military organization?
881
:No.
882
:It's the transporter tuning.
883
:Laura: O'Brien is sitting there.
884
:That's, that's what a- That's why we have
to have O'Brien, like, in there all the
885
:time because he's, like, doing the math.
886
:He's like, "Okay, so Riker said that
he's gained two inches on his waist, and
887
:next time he comes through, I need
to remove this many molecules."
888
:Xhafer: Right.
889
:Laura: So dumb.
890
:Xhafer: the transporter's
clearly capable of that stuff.
891
:If it wasn't, then we wouldn't have
all these weird transporter accidents
892
:where other weird stuff happens.
893
:Laura: Yeah.
894
:Xhafer: Also, the existence of
Thomas Riker proves me right.
895
:It's a suicide machine.
896
:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
897
:Don't like it.
898
:Xhafer: That's as much Star Trek podcast
as you're gonna get out of us, listener.
899
:Um, where were we?
900
:Laura: So we were having this
great moment when all of a
901
:sudden Emily just, like, chokes
902
:Xhafer: Oh yeah,
903
:Laura: in horrible pain.
904
:Xhafer: starts suffering intense pain.
905
:She gets some morpha, and
Cottle's all like, "All that's
906
:left is to make her comfortable."
907
:Laura: Yeah, poor Rosalyn is, is
distressed and wants to do something for
908
:her, and all she can do is, like, hold the
sc- clutch the scarf and say some prayers.
909
:Xhafer: Yep.
910
:Over on the base star, the dying
Sharon tells Athena she was right.
911
:Laura: Yeah,
912
:Xhafer: Yeah.
913
:Laura: okay, that's really
not helpful right now.
914
:Like, what are we doing with that?
915
:Like
916
:Xhafer: Yeah.
917
:You were right, we shouldn't
revolt against the Sixes?
918
:You were
919
:Laura: You're right, we need
to believe in something.
920
:W-
921
:Xhafer: we gotta have
922
:Laura: y-
923
:you were, you were right.
924
:What?
925
:Xhafer: You were right, what?
926
:So this dying Sharon reaches for Athena.
927
:Athena turns her down, so
Anders comforts her instead,
928
:Laura: Yeah.
929
:He's so himbo.
930
:Xhafer: It's, well, he's empathizing
with a dying Cylon, which
931
:Laura: 'Cause he's a himbo.
932
:What?
933
:Like, it...
934
:Xhafer: it...
935
:This is him acknowledging his, his
936
:Laura: Well, sure.
937
:Xhafer: Yeah.
938
:Laura: yeah.
939
:He's like, he's having a growth and all.
940
:He, like, murdered all
these Cylons before, but
941
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
942
:Laura: he can't do...
943
:He can't...
944
:He's gotta feel things for the
thing that is essentially him.
945
:so this is where we have our talk
about what all the business means,
946
:all the, them hybrid ramblings, right?
947
:Xhafer: Yeah.
948
:uh, they discuss the hybrid's words
and they spell it out for the audience.
949
:The key to finding Earth is the final
five because they came from Earth,
950
:so they must know the path to Earth.
951
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
952
:Xhafer: the fi- the
missing three is Deanna.
953
:Her model number was three.
954
:So they have to go unbox Deanna
to find out who the final five are
955
:to get them to lead them to Earth.
956
:And Anders in the background just like,
"Um, maybe that's not what it means.
957
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
958
:Xhafer: throwing it out there."
959
:Laura: I, I do find it very funny that,
that we're leaping to conclusions here
960
:that the final five must know where
Earth is, and we know-- we, the audience,
961
:know the fuck around for, and that
they do not know what they're doing.
962
:Xhafer: Yeah.
963
:Laura: Maybe I've just been, maybe
I've just been Game of Thrones
964
:pilled, but I was wondering if
this hybrid prophecy maybe like...
965
:You know how Game of Thrones,
they were like, "Ooh, there's this
966
:prophecy," but there's, like, multiple
things, ways it could be interpreted,
967
:and then like, "Ooh, gotcha.
968
:It was something else."
969
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
970
:Laura: I don't know.
971
:I was, I was kind of applying that
to here, and I was like, I wonder if
972
:there is any other interpretation that,
is gonna make itself apparent here.
973
:I was thinking, like, you know, the
missing three uh, that seems pretty...
974
:Like, the, Deanna is a three, right?
975
:But also, they are three models of
Cylon who have, like, gone rogue.
976
:So, eh, or that's the other three are
out there, the Cavil, Simon, and Doral.
977
:They're sort of missing
in this scenario, right?
978
:Xhafer: be doing stuff, yeah.
979
:Laura: They could be doing stuff.
980
:Um, when we say the home of the 13th,
we're, we're, like, jumping to the
981
:conclusion that this is the 13th colony.
982
:But part of me is like, what
about the super-secret 13th Cylon?
983
:But I don't I, I would just be
interested if they, like, throw
984
:some little, like, oop, maybe it
was actually a little other thing
985
:Xhafer: mean-
986
:Laura: there.
987
:Xhafer: There's a bunch
of stuff it could be.
988
:it was talking about, like, the,
like, I mean, the navigation of
989
:all this trip to find Earth has
been Helo, Starbuck, and Gaeta.
990
:a triumvirate.
991
:You know, there's a lot of threes.
992
:You know, you could be looking at Adama.
993
:Well, Adama and Roslin, there's
not really a third there.
994
:Uh, But,
995
:Laura: That's a pretty strong dyad, yeah.
996
:Xhafer: maybe, maybe Gaius as, like,
the spiritual leader right now.
997
:Like,
998
:Laura: yeah, you could
call them a triad, sure.
999
:Mm-hmm.
:
00:42:46,899 --> 00:42:50,979
Xhafer: So, like, there's, there's
a bunch of threes that it could
:
00:42:51,229 --> 00:42:53,259
be, and that's good writing.
:
00:42:53,449 --> 00:42:54,259
Um, you know.
:
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:58,385
And also it's just, like, you just--
we're making it work right now.
:
00:42:58,981 --> 00:42:59,791
Laura: Yeah, yeah.
:
00:43:00,091 --> 00:43:03,871
And there's, like, you know, the
dying leader, it's like, oh, that's
:
00:43:03,911 --> 00:43:07,731
Roslin, but the sixes aren't doing so
well at, like, leadership right now.
:
00:43:08,111 --> 00:43:08,741
So it's like,
:
00:43:08,795 --> 00:43:09,745
Xhafer: That's true
:
00:43:10,091 --> 00:43:11,951
Laura: as a model kind of dying?
:
00:43:11,951 --> 00:43:12,411
Like, we don't...
:
00:43:12,641 --> 00:43:13,321
I don't know.
:
00:43:13,451 --> 00:43:13,881
Like...
:
00:43:14,495 --> 00:43:17,855
Xhafer: And just because, like,
Roslin's dying doesn't mean
:
00:43:17,855 --> 00:43:19,685
that she's the dying leader
:
00:43:20,051 --> 00:43:20,371
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:43:20,675 --> 00:43:23,505
Xhafer: because you don't
have to die slow to be dying.
:
00:43:23,985 --> 00:43:24,125
It
:
00:43:24,221 --> 00:43:25,421
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:43:25,875 --> 00:43:29,555
Xhafer: I mean, yeah, we've seen
Adama get shot and almost die.
:
00:43:29,971 --> 00:43:30,241
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:43:31,771 --> 00:43:33,351
The other thing is we're setting up Mr.
:
00:43:33,351 --> 00:43:36,691
Gaius Baltar for a whole,
like, Christ thing.
:
00:43:37,041 --> 00:43:40,821
He could be a dying leader at some point.
:
00:43:40,855 --> 00:43:40,935
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:43:41,765 --> 00:43:42,125
Yeah.
:
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:44,881
Laura: Don't know.
:
00:43:44,911 --> 00:43:49,021
So I just wanted to throw out that
maybe there's multiple interpretations.
:
00:43:49,021 --> 00:43:49,491
Maybe...
:
00:43:50,291 --> 00:43:54,201
And maybe it would be interesting if
there's another interpretation that plays
:
00:43:54,201 --> 00:44:00,461
out rather than the show just leading
us here in episode six of Season 4, just
:
00:44:00,461 --> 00:44:02,951
like, "Oh, yep, this is definitely it."
:
00:44:02,991 --> 00:44:04,381
Like, I don't know.
:
00:44:05,347 --> 00:44:08,397
But it sounds like we might
get Lucy Lawless back if this
:
00:44:08,397 --> 00:44:10,037
all goes according to plans.
:
00:44:10,917 --> 00:44:11,347
If.
:
00:44:11,901 --> 00:44:15,491
Xhafer: if, you believe we'll
get Lucy Lawless back if--
:
00:44:15,791 --> 00:44:17,701
or if you have enough faith
:
00:44:19,462 --> 00:44:21,152
that we'll get Lucy Lawless back.
:
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,459
we see Emily.
:
00:44:23,094 --> 00:44:27,559
Uh, We cut over to her On the
boat on the river with Rosalyn,
:
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:28,980
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:30,079
Xhafer: it before.
:
00:44:30,899 --> 00:44:35,119
goes and sees her family and her, all
of her dead loved ones waiting for
:
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,259
her, and she goes and she joins them.
:
00:44:38,489 --> 00:44:41,069
sees her dead loved ones waiting for her.
:
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:42,350
Laura: Yeah, her mom.
:
00:44:42,509 --> 00:44:43,929
Xhafer: super serious.
:
00:44:44,649 --> 00:44:48,379
when I say that Beth walked into
the room at this point, said, "Oh
:
00:44:48,379 --> 00:44:52,239
my God, it's Barbara Bush," and
then walked out before any context
:
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,739
could be applied to this scene...
:
00:44:57,330 --> 00:44:57,790
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:44:57,879 --> 00:45:01,179
Xhafer: that is an absolutely
true story, and also just a m-
:
00:45:01,329 --> 00:45:03,369
modicum of insight into my life.
:
00:45:03,944 --> 00:45:06,344
Laura: She did kinda look
kinda Barbara Bush, though.
:
00:45:06,534 --> 00:45:07,694
Xhafer: Coming back at some point.
:
00:45:07,694 --> 00:45:09,184
She did kinda look like Barbara Bush.
:
00:45:09,184 --> 00:45:10,064
It's very fair.
:
00:45:12,514 --> 00:45:13,614
Laura: Yeah, yeah.
:
00:45:13,754 --> 00:45:17,284
But Rosalyn says she's, like,
relieved to see her mom,
:
00:45:17,554 --> 00:45:17,874
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:45:17,994 --> 00:45:22,064
Laura: but she says, "I'm not ready,
but I'm, I'm so relieved you're okay."
:
00:45:22,534 --> 00:45:26,004
Xhafer: Y- y- you know
what else was r- a relief?
:
00:45:26,984 --> 00:45:28,854
You know who wasn't there waiting for her?
:
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:30,630
Laura: um, Billy?
:
00:45:31,289 --> 00:45:32,099
Xhafer: Billy.
:
00:45:35,380 --> 00:45:36,380
Laura: Oh.
:
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:43,330
Oh, th- that would've been so
funny if Billy was, like, in the
:
00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:45,910
background and sh- like, unnoticed.
:
00:45:46,699 --> 00:45:47,719
Xhafer: I paused.
:
00:45:48,059 --> 00:45:50,029
There's lots of out of focus extras.
:
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:51,549
None of them are Billy.
:
00:45:51,819 --> 00:45:55,509
Some of them are the same
extras that were Emily's family.
:
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:56,470
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:45:57,139 --> 00:45:58,279
Xhafer: There's some overlap there.
:
00:45:58,279 --> 00:45:58,849
There's some of the
:
00:45:59,110 --> 00:45:59,950
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:00,380
Yeah.
:
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:01,559
Xhafer: in a conversation.
:
00:46:02,370 --> 00:46:02,710
Laura: Yeah,
:
00:46:03,279 --> 00:46:04,429
Xhafer: Your uncle's name was what?
:
00:46:05,049 --> 00:46:06,479
Oh my God, that's crazy.
:
00:46:09,143 --> 00:46:10,283
Laura: no, no Billy.
:
00:46:10,313 --> 00:46:10,603
May-
:
00:46:11,023 --> 00:46:11,263
Xhafer: n-
:
00:46:11,573 --> 00:46:14,733
Laura: did, did Billy not go to heaven?
:
00:46:19,043 --> 00:46:19,163
Xhafer: But
:
00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:19,803
Laura: After,
:
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:20,553
Xhafer: to heaven.
:
00:46:20,753 --> 00:46:24,403
Laura: a- after the great sacrifice?
:
00:46:26,453 --> 00:46:27,613
I shouldn't rag on Billy.
:
00:46:27,613 --> 00:46:28,893
He seemed fine.
:
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:31,610
nope, she's not ready.
:
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:34,480
She wakes up, and she
hears the Gaius wireless,
:
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:35,320
Xhafer: Yep.
:
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:37,050
Laura: but Emily is gone.
:
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:38,160
Xhafer: Yep.
:
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,040
We cut over to the Demetrius
and time is about to run out.
:
00:46:42,350 --> 00:46:43,560
Gaeta looks fucked.
:
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:44,540
Laura: Yep.
:
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:50,560
Xhafer: And with this show's typical
dramatic timing, the base ship jumps
:
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,490
in At the last possible second,
:
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:54,400
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:57,340
Xhafer: they did a fucking
countdown cock tease here.
:
00:46:58,030 --> 00:47:01,180
like, they count down to zero, and
they're like, "I guess that's it.
:
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,700
We gotta jump in five, four..."
:
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:06,730
I'm like, "Motherfucker, you
just finished the countdown."
:
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,990
Laura: You gotta have faith, guys.
:
00:47:17,301 --> 00:47:17,901
Xhafer: Uh,
:
00:47:18,024 --> 00:47:18,424
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:47:18,543 --> 00:47:24,633
Xhafer: does Athena, of all characters
on this show, to let the Demetrius
:
00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:25,803
know that this isn't a trap?
:
00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:30,224
Laura: Oh, that is a really good
point, because there's, like, a
:
00:47:30,224 --> 00:47:34,644
whole, whole bunch of people on
that ship who look exactly like
:
00:47:34,644 --> 00:47:36,614
and sound exactly like Athena.
:
00:47:37,493 --> 00:47:40,633
Xhafer: Have, have a bunch
of shared memories and stuff.
:
00:47:40,884 --> 00:47:41,964
Laura: Mm-hmm
:
00:47:42,033 --> 00:47:46,813
Xhafer: where that stops and ends, and
it's just like, this is the dumbest
:
00:47:46,813 --> 00:47:49,393
fucking move you could have possibly made.
:
00:47:49,544 --> 00:47:56,694
Laura: Maybe, maybe you have to have your
hands in the computer goo and to operate
:
00:47:56,734 --> 00:47:59,234
the, like, ship-to-ship communication.
:
00:47:59,394 --> 00:48:02,634
So, like, she has to do it 'cause
she's the Cylon who can put
:
00:48:02,634 --> 00:48:04,164
her hands in the computer goo.
:
00:48:04,413 --> 00:48:07,073
Xhafer: her in the Raptor in there.
:
00:48:07,264 --> 00:48:07,954
Laura: Oh, yeah.
:
00:48:07,954 --> 00:48:08,384
Never mind.
:
00:48:08,384 --> 00:48:09,784
Okay.
:
00:48:10,553 --> 00:48:12,743
Xhafer: calls them from the
Raptor, not the Basestar.
:
00:48:13,083 --> 00:48:14,893
Send Anders, send
:
00:48:14,964 --> 00:48:15,614
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:48:16,733 --> 00:48:18,323
Xhafer: Fucking send Leoben.
:
00:48:21,173 --> 00:48:21,543
Like,
:
00:48:21,704 --> 00:48:22,234
Laura: No.
:
00:48:22,263 --> 00:48:24,643
Xhafer: would have been all
like, "Hey, it's Leoben.
:
00:48:25,003 --> 00:48:26,583
I, you know, I was there earlier."
:
00:48:26,843 --> 00:48:30,683
That is more believable to me
because there's gotta only be one of
:
00:48:30,683 --> 00:48:32,083
those motherfuckers on a base ship
:
00:48:32,394 --> 00:48:32,884
Laura: That's right.
:
00:48:32,923 --> 00:48:32,983
Xhafer: a
:
00:48:33,224 --> 00:48:33,574
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:48:33,673 --> 00:48:34,783
Xhafer: there are thousands of.
:
00:48:34,783 --> 00:48:40,083
And it's just like, this is, is such
a dumb choice for such a seasoned
:
00:48:40,083 --> 00:48:42,103
military officer at this point,
:
00:48:42,974 --> 00:48:44,184
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:48:44,473 --> 00:48:46,663
Xhafer: it's just like, "Oh,
babe, great to hear from you.
:
00:48:46,663 --> 00:48:50,690
Uh, what's our password
on our Roku account?"
:
00:48:51,741 --> 00:48:54,441
Laura: I mean, maybe, maybe that's it, is,
:
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:55,270
Xhafer: would know?"
:
00:48:55,621 --> 00:49:00,561
Laura: is she just has faith that he
will recognize his particular wife from
:
00:49:00,561 --> 00:49:03,111
a copy of thousands of his PR wife.
:
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,670
Xhafer: I don't trust
that himbo to handle that.
:
00:49:07,081 --> 00:49:08,381
Laura: Oh, no.
:
00:49:08,471 --> 00:49:08,951
No.
:
00:49:08,951 --> 00:49:14,611
He's, he's not handling very good,
I think, on this whole thing.
:
00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:20,330
Xhafer: Roslin goes to talk to
Adama here about Baltar's nonsense,
:
00:49:20,721 --> 00:49:25,191
Laura: Can I tell you, I thought
at first that she was headed to the
:
00:49:25,191 --> 00:49:27,291
bang bus to talk straight to Baltar.
:
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:29,050
Xhafer: I
:
00:49:29,111 --> 00:49:31,981
Laura: "Oh my God, she's
going to the bang bus."
:
00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:34,821
And then it, the door opened and it was
Adama, and I was like, "Oh, thank God."
:
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:40,880
Xhafer: can't handle Mom
going to the bang bus,
:
00:49:41,041 --> 00:49:41,421
Laura: Nope.
:
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,680
Xhafer: on Mother's Day.
:
00:49:46,771 --> 00:49:48,541
Laura: Yeah, but she wants
to talk about Baltar.
:
00:49:48,921 --> 00:49:51,431
She wants to talk about
the prodigal son, so...
:
00:49:52,161 --> 00:49:53,101
The other prodigal son.
:
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,240
Xhafer: And at some point Adama
talks about having hope that they're
:
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,720
actually gonna find their way to Earth.
:
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:02,940
She's all like, "Where did that come from?
:
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:04,030
You are the non-believer."
:
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:08,260
then he's like, "Well,
Laura, gave me faith."
:
00:50:13,003 --> 00:50:13,603
Laura: Beautiful.
:
00:50:14,153 --> 00:50:14,673
Beautiful.
:
00:50:15,273 --> 00:50:16,143
Xhafer: That's the episode.
:
00:50:16,778 --> 00:50:16,988
How'd
:
00:50:17,738 --> 00:50:19,968
guy on a scale of one to 12 colonies?
:
00:50:21,088 --> 00:50:25,748
Laura: Perhaps I am tainted
by my recent experiences, but
:
00:50:25,838 --> 00:50:28,128
I found it- Pretty beautiful.
:
00:50:29,518 --> 00:50:31,148
Xhafer: Yeah, I really like this episode.
:
00:50:31,458 --> 00:50:33,308
I think this is the strongest
episode we've had in a minute.
:
00:50:34,008 --> 00:50:38,245
Laura: yeah, I had a few tears,
and then over the f- following
:
00:50:38,245 --> 00:50:40,055
days, I had even more tears.
:
00:50:40,855 --> 00:50:41,205
And,
:
00:50:41,235 --> 00:50:41,545
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:50:42,145 --> 00:50:42,755
Laura: I just...
:
00:50:43,287 --> 00:50:47,707
really felt for Rosalind when
she said, "I'm not ready to
:
00:50:47,707 --> 00:50:50,047
go yet," and she woke up.
:
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:56,997
And I, I wish I could, like, say
something profound or make a silly
:
00:50:56,997 --> 00:51:01,227
jokey joke about it, but it was
what I needed when I needed it.
:
00:51:01,547 --> 00:51:01,767
So
:
00:51:01,987 --> 00:51:02,257
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:51:03,807 --> 00:51:04,357
Laura: very good.
:
00:51:04,357 --> 00:51:06,447
Mm-hmm.
:
00:51:06,567 --> 00:51:06,917
Xhafer: sure.
:
00:51:08,057 --> 00:51:10,687
Laura: I give it, I don't
know, I'm gonna give it 11.
:
00:51:10,687 --> 00:51:12,277
I'm gonna be very generous today.
:
00:51:12,477 --> 00:51:12,777
Mm-hmm.
:
00:51:13,112 --> 00:51:13,902
Xhafer: I wrote down 10.
:
00:51:14,743 --> 00:51:14,943
Laura: Okay.
:
00:51:14,982 --> 00:51:15,072
Xhafer: ep.
:
00:51:15,398 --> 00:51:15,608
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:51:16,047 --> 00:51:16,587
Good deal.
:
00:51:17,097 --> 00:51:17,687
Xhafer: All right.
:
00:51:18,047 --> 00:51:21,057
Well, next week we've got
season four, episode seven,
:
00:51:21,477 --> 00:51:23,617
"Guess What's Coming to Dinner?"
:
00:51:23,977 --> 00:51:28,987
President Roslin faces challenges
as the colonials plot with Cylon
:
00:51:28,987 --> 00:51:31,827
rebels to attack a resurrection hub
:
00:51:32,193 --> 00:51:32,413
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:33,130
Yes.
:
00:51:33,531 --> 00:51:35,371
Xhafer: That's a thing that
happens in that episode.
:
00:51:35,802 --> 00:51:37,182
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:51:39,152 --> 00:51:42,242
I will say nothing, since I
have gone ahead and watched it.
:
00:51:42,544 --> 00:51:46,884
Xhafer: But before we get to figuring
out when we're gonna record next
:
00:51:46,884 --> 00:51:51,224
episode, we gotta say some thank
yous this episode, starting off,
:
00:51:51,634 --> 00:51:54,334
as always, with Jeremy Siegel.
:
00:51:54,494 --> 00:51:59,564
Jeremy, you gave us our theme music,
and for that we are forever grateful.
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You can find more of Jeremy's work
at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com.
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Laura: And thank you to Angry
Duck Time Machine on Instagram
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for the podcast artwork.
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Xhafer: Aaron, honestly, I think
we kinda made it easy this time.
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I don't think it's gonna be too bad.
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I hope
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Laura: I, I think we did all right.
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Yeah.
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Xhafer: all right this time.
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Not- hopefully not a whole lot to edit.
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Lots of the same drop.
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you're still the best though.
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Appreciate you.
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Laura: Yep.
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Xhafer: editing this podcast.
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Laura: And listener, thanks
for being here with us.
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It's a great journey we're
in the home stretch of.
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If you've got burning thoughts you
need to get out, come to the Discord.
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Xhafer: a doctor.
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thoughts is not normal.
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Go see a doctor please, dear God.
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Laura: Most of the things that come
out of you should not be burning
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even your thoughts.
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But you can come to the Discord
and get some of them out.
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Xhafer: Yeah.
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just uh, hopefully they're not
contagious burning thoughts.
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Laura: Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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If they're spoiler burning thoughts, you
better take that shit to Spoiler Town.
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Xhafer: Go to Spoiler Town.
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Just ask, we'll get you in.
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Laura: Mm-hmm.
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Xhafer: There's- it's good there.
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It's a good time.
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Laura: Yeah.
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There's, there's like three different
people waiting to put you in Spoiler
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Town, so you just show up and ask.
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Xhafer: Yeah, someone
will take care of it.
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And uh, we'll see you next week, internet.
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Laura: Yep.
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All right.
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Bye.
