Episode 160

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12th Feb 2025

Blade Runner - Big Deck Energy

Laura and Xhafer wonder if Cylons dream of electric sheep. Laura wants everyone to listen to Vangelis and chill. Xhafer can't pack bond with Roombas. It's the first movie break of the BSG season featuring Edward James Olmos in Blade Runner.

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Xhafer:

Hey, Laura,

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Laura: Hey Ja'far.

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Xhafer: are you ready to have a

fun, friendly conversation about

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a late stage capitalist dystopia

where computers replacing human

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is society's biggest problem that

they're willing to acknowledge?

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Laura: Hell yeah.

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Xhafer: Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci

fi watchcast hosted by two friends

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who are currently working their way

through:

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But not today, it's a movie break.

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I'm Ja'far,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we're watching Blade Runner.

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Laura: Hell yeah.

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Xhafer: So when we decided to do

mo I mean, we knew we were gonna

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do Movie Breaks again, right?

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and you haven't seen the show, so

I've been kinda taking the lead on the

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movie picks based off the actors, cause

I'm more familiar with their work,

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Laura: Sure, yeah.

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And I can't google too much about

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Xhafer: Exactly.

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Laura: Might be a problem.

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Right.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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You Google Edward James Olmos and you see

20 episodes and you're just like, fuck!

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So, not what's going on here.

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You know, to avoid that I've

been kind of taking the lead.

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Um, and then Edward James Olmos,

the actor that we're going to be

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talking about from Blade Runner.

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Um, this is like the most

softball pitch of a movie.

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Laura: Yeah, for this show,

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Xhafer: this show, a hundred percent,

like it is so close, like some

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of the themes, some of the stuff,

some of the inspirations, and to

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share Edward James Olmos in both

is just chef's kiss perfection that

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it had to be our first movie

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break.

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Laura: it is beautiful,

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Xhafer: so.

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I know I talked about having a,

like, maybe a poll in the Discord.

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That's the plan for the rest of the

Battlestar Galactica movie breaks.

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Um, and I trusted the Discord

if they saw the options, they

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would have picked Blade Runner.

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But, I didn't even think

it needed to go to a vote.

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Uh, It's too perfect.

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We had to do it.

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Um, and you hadn't seen

Blade Runner before?

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Laura: thinks I have, but as I was

watching it, I really, maybe we,

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we watched it together and I fell

asleep or something, because I

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did not recognize things about it.

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And I did, you know, I have read the book,

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I did, after we finished,

like, do a comparison.

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I looked up, because I couldn't

quite remember some of the book.

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It'd been 20 years, you know, uh, but I

was like, I know things were different.

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It wasn't this, it wasn't quite this.

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So I did my, my book to show

comparison for that, um.

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But yeah, I didn't recognize parts of it.

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Xhafer: I definitely had not seen

this version of the film before.

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Um, I thought I had.

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I thought, we watched the final cut.

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I think I said it at the

end of the last episode.

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Laura: Yes, I believe we

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Xhafer: Which is a remastered,

recolored version of the Director's Cut.

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Laura: Mm

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Xhafer: Um, and watching through it,

it was clear to me that I've only seen

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the theatrical version beforehand.

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Because, like, even at the very beginning,

like, I'm remembering stuff differently,

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I'm remembering pacing differently.

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Laura: I mean, maybe

that's my problem, too.

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Like, maybe I did see a

different version that was enough

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different that I cannot recall.

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Xhafer: So, I, I think you'd, I

mean, the big stuff's still there.

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Laura: Yeah.

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For sure.

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can I just say, before we get too far,

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Xhafer: course.

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Laura: that I absolutely love the

composer of the Blade Runner score.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So, this is Vangelis.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: We have not encountered Vangelis in

anything we've watched yet, I don't think.

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But we've had great electronic music

composers because obviously we had

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Christopher Frank in Babylon 5.

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And then we had Wendy Carlos in Tron.

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when we watched Tron way back in the day.

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but to me, Vangelis is like the

other, original, if you will

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uh, electronic music composer.

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Like those are the two that I

know really well, mostly because

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my dad had a lot of their music.

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Wendy Carlos did like a

recording of all of Bach's

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inventions on a Moog synthesizer.

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That was kind of her first famous thing.

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Xhafer: That's cool.

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Laura: And then Vangelis just has, has

had a lot of, movie, electronic music,

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and then made many, many other albums.

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so if you're not familiar with

Vangelis outside of Blade Runner,

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you actually are, because you've

heard the Chariots of Fire theme

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: You have.

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Like, even if you've never seen

Chariots of Fire, you've seen it

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memed, you've seen it, like, parodied

somewhere, and they've played the music.

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Xhafer: you've heard that shit.

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Laura: Yeah, people running on a beach.

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If you say that, then people go, oh yes!

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: You know, chariot's fire.

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Um, I've actually seen the

soundtrack performed live before.

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Laura: For Chariots of Fire?

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Xhafer: No.

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Blade

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Laura: Oh, Blade Runner.

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Okay.

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I was

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like, damn.

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Xhafer: One year at DragonCon when

I was there, Jefferson Starship

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did the entire soundtrack of Blade

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Laura: Wow.

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That's really cool though.

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That's so cool.

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Xhafer: it's like this weird little,

like, thing that I got to do that is

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like, So bizarre and interesting, um,

but, I don't know, I, I remember, I

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mean, that entire con was a blur, I don't

have any particularly standout memories

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of their performance but I remember

going, and it's a box I can check off,

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I guess, I don't know, the music's good

though uh, the soundtrack is solid,

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Laura: I just have to

recommend if you liked.

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The Blade Runner soundtrack.

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You haven't heard much else

Vangelis besides Chariots of

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Fire, which you know you've heard.

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Then, the one album that my dad had

when I was young that he, he played

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a lot was Heaven and Hell from 1975.

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It's really cool.

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I really like it.

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I had to do one of those things

in my undergrad where like, if you

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could only take so many albums to a

desert island, what would you take?

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I, Heaven and Hell was one of mine.

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And, The soundtrack to 1492, Conquest

of Paradise, I challenge you to

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listen to that and feel nothing.

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Like, if you can do that, then

I'm worried about you, but

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You'll have a feeling.

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And just, like, watching this movie

reminded me, like, God, I love Vangelis.

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And it's been a real, like, study.

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tool for me right now.

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It helps me focus on my, my schoolwork.

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So, great that we brought

this back up when we did.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's cool It's very

in line with the my current prog pop

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obsession everything everything as well

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Obviously a more modern

counterpart But there's definitely

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some through lines from Vangelis

to everything everything.

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So

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Laura: Yeah.

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He's a pretty influential

composer, even though it's sort

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of almost like just new agey.

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You would think, why

would that be influential?

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But he really is.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well, you're ready to

talk about this movie

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Let's talk about the movie part.

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Xhafer: we get a little bit here at the

beginning Tyrell Corp made Cylons, Cylons

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rebelled, Blade Runners hunt

them for retirement, we're in

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Los Angeles, it's November 2019.

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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Oops.

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Did you miss all the Blade Runners?

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I don't think I got that.

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Ha

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Xhafer: You know, there's some people

that are like, Oh, but we're so close.

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And then there's some people that's

like, we are not close at all.

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And we are not close at all.

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Laura: Right,

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Xhafer: Uh, but you know, we

opened on a test designed to

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invoke a emotional response.

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And the emotion invoked is gunshot.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: Very American made robot.

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Clearly.

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Laura: Yeah, obviously.

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This guy sounded so much like

Harrison Ford that I thought for

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a moment we were already with him.

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But he is not Harrison Ford.

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And he's not in the movie long.

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Xhafer: Harrison Ford.

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Okay, well, we'll talk about

it in like five seconds.

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We cut over to Harrison Ford

playing Deckard after this.

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Who just wants some street noodles

when he gets arrested by GAF?

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This is Edward James Olmos.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: guess ACAB stands for

All Commanders Are Bastards.

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How old do you think

Edward James Olmos is here?

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Laura: I think I actually did

the math but I have forgotten it.

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Tell me how old he is.

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Xhafer: He's 35.

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Laura: Yeah, okay.

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Xhafer: do you think

Harrison Ford is in this?

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Laura: Oh, gosh, now that

you've said it, I don't know.

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Xhafer: Look at Edward James Olmos.

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Look at Harrison Ford.

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How old do you think Harrison Ford is?

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Just, like, looking at the two of them.

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You know Edward James Olmos is 35.

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Laura: I don't know, man, I'm

so bad at ages thirty eight?

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Forty.

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Okay, I was actually

going to say that, damn.

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Xhafer: Edward James Olmos

looks the same 20 years later.

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Laura: So I have a theory about Edward

James Olmos character because he is

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very pimp stylin this whole time.

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And that is how I've decided you know,

we'll get into it about the, you know,

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is Deckard a replicant or not theories,

but I think he is, and this is his pimp.

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And that's, yeah, his handler.

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That's where we're at.

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Xhafer: Gaff brings Deckard in as

he finishes his noodles on the ride.

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They make it to Bryant's office,

who I'm guessing is the police

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commissioner or something, the chief.

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I think they say he's

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Laura: I think he's a

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Xhafer: or something, I don't know.

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Laura: Yeah, he's, he's in charge.

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More so than Gaff.

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Xhafer: his office drives me crazy

because his office has a very low

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ceiling but it's built inside of a

warehouse with a very tall ceiling.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: there's like nothing above

it, it's just like a closed room.

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Laura: Yeah, it's just like a dropped.

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I mean, architecture in this movie

is wild, we've already seen the giant

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pyramids of the Tyrell Corporation, like,

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Xhafer: Dear God.

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Laura: lots of blinky lights on

this giant pyramid, and, you know.

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That's, that's where

oligarchy's going, right?

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That's what they want?

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Xhafer: Big pyramids?

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Probably.

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I don't know.

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Ask Elon how he feels about pyramids.

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Don't ask Elon Musk how

he feels about pyramids.

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You're going to be disappointed by

the response no matter what it is.

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Laura: I sense a new building

project in Austin, Texas, coming up.

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Xhafer: Cylons out on the run.

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They've come from off world.

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Laura: Yeah, we've seen this

giant blimp too, already.

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That is advertising going

off world to the colonies.

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Loudspeaker and everything, it's got the

like, the You know, electronic billboard.

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And then it's also like, go off world.

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It'll be great.

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Xhafer: Yeah, this is the

everyone's having a bad year blimp.

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Laura: you think off world is real?

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Xhafer: Ooh.

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Ooh, there's a question

I hadn't considered.

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Laura: obviously the replicants

did come from somewhere, but do you

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think off world for humans is real?

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Like if you're like, all right,

I'm so tired of this, sign me

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up, I'm going to the colonies.

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Xhafer: They just kill you,

just to get rid of you.

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Laura: I'm just, I'm just saying.

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Xhafer: Sign over all of your

property, we'll send you into space.

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They send you into space

and you never come back.

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Laura: I mean, it's one of

those things that's not really

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seen in the movie and kind of,

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Xhafer: So, I actually, at the very end

of the movie, like, at the absolute end

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of the movie we get some talk about,

like, space battles being witnessed.

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Laura: oh, yes.

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Xhafer: Who the fuck are they fighting?

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Laura: Hmm,

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Xhafer: fighting who?

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Are humans fighting humans?

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Are replicants fighting replicants?

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Are replicants fighting humans?

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Are there aliens in Blade Runner?

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These are questions that might

be answered in Blade Runner

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2049, a film I haven't seen.

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Heh

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Laura: I haven't seen it either.

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Erin has, but I have

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Xhafer: heh.

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Mm hmm.

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Laura: Interesting, interesting.

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Oh, and I had a good laugh too

thinking about the off world

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colonies, and I was like, Caprica?

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Maybe?

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Why not?

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So, Brian just yelling at Harrison Ford.

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Basically.

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You're, you're a little

man and you work for me.

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You don't get to quit.

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We don't know why Harrison Ford quit.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that, I mean, maybe that's

a replicant thing, but here's the thing

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is, he starts this movie retired, right?

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And a retired replicant

is a dead replicant.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: that's the very premise.

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Laura: Hm.

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Xhafer: So that's one in the

column of not a replicant for me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, we've still got Gaff

to keep an eye on him though.

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I think, I think maybe.

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Yeah, I think there's still

some life in the old girl, is

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why we haven't done anything.

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Or who knows, maybe, maybe uh,

Harrison Ford is one of those

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people who just quits every week,

you know, like, fuck this place!

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And then we get him back in,

cause he needs a paycheck.

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The last commission runs dry and he

shows back up with his hat in his hand.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Gaff apparently, one of

his things is making a little

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origami out of gum wrappers.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he makes these

little origamis all over the place.

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They are a reoccurring thing.

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Which is fun.

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I'm sure there's some symbology there,

but I am not bothered to look into it.

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Laura: First one's a rooster.

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I caught that.

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Xhafer: The last one's a unicorn.

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Laura: And that's important.

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Yeah.

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There's like a man in between, like

a little matchstick man, I think.

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But if there's more, I

missed the rest of them.

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Xhafer: But anyways, yeah they gotta

get these four Cylons and they need

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big deck energy to handle it, so.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: That's the plan.

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Laura: Yeah, there were originally six.

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Um, they killed 23 people, stole a

shuttle, and two of them are already

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gone by the time we get to the movie.

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Xhafer: Yeah, they tried to infiltrate

Tyrellcorp and got zapped by anti

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replicant stuff that only exists

inside of Tyrellcorp, I guess.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Interesting that Tyrell Corp would.

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Hang on to that.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Close to the vest, if you will.

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Xhafer: Bryant brings Deckard up to speed.

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We get details on the Voight Kampff tests.

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A working Cylon detector that we need

to get over to Baltar real quick.

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Laura: Yeah, somebody

get him on the phone.

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Xhafer: They found one of the uh,

replicants Leon, posing as an employee.

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And then we see clips of Batty, Zora,

and Pris, the remaining replicants

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to find, and learn they have a

four year lifespan as a failsafe

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for their emotional sentience.

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Thanks!

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Laura: we give them a longer lifespan,

they might develop emotions and presumably

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opinions attached to those emotions.

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Xhafer: I

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Laura: See, this is why I'm always

nice to chat GPT when I ask for help.

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Laughs.

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Xhafer: but I also say what the

fuck are you good for sometimes.

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So you know,

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Laura: It's so weird, you know, I, I

understand that I don't need to, but

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like, I see younger colleagues will just

like copy and paste a thing and just

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slap it in chat GPT, but I always feel

like I need to introduce it to the, my

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problem and say, I'm working on X, you

know, and can you help me with this?

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Thank you.

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You know?

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Xhafer: No, that, that, that

actually helps the model.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: So the way a language learning

model predicts is, um, if you have five

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word sentence, and it takes the first

word and that's a single dimension.

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of space, right?

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The second word adds a second

dimension, and so on and so forth.

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So you're doing incredibly complex

high dimension math when you're

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throwing in thousands of words at once,

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: The better you start it

off by addressing your topic and

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your goal will actually impact the

end results in a positive manner.

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Laura: Okay, I just feel

like context is king, right?

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Xhafer: yes, and it's a robot that

doesn't understand context in the

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way that we do, but by putting

these words into the filter.

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Before you give it the other stuff.

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You are adding dimensions, which

makes it harder to process.

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But you're also guiding

those initial dimensions.

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So that you get a better targeted answer

as you get this giant dimensional cone

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thing that exists in 260 dimension space.

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Yeah, you know, fun stuff, crazy math.

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Laura: if ChatGPT ever develops

emotions, I hope I'm covered.

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Xhafer: Well, here's the thing.

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It

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Laura: I, I know, I know.

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You don't have to do the whole

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thing.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: we've heard you rant about

how AI doesn't have feelings enough.

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It just means that you're

an empathetic person.

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That's all it means.

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It's not a bad thing.

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Laura: I can't change my nature.

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Xhafer: Yeah, no, nor should you.

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It's a good thing to think that the

AI you're talking to has feelings.

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It doesn't, but it means that you are

recognizing patterns in its speech

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and empathizing, and it probably means

you're better at talking to people.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mm.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: well, talking at people, at least.

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We

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Laura: For sure, right?

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Xhafer: we get an hour of

practice of that every week.

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So, you know.

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Over at Terrell Deckard

meets Rachel and Dr.

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Terrell,

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who ask him to administer a Voight

Kampff on Rachel as a demonstration.

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Deckard knows she's a Cylon,

but Rachel is unaware.

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Hmm,

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Laura: Hmm.

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Haven't seen that before.

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Xhafer: Yeah, some of them are

programmed to think that they're human.

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Laura: Weird.

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Xhafer: Deckard questions the purpose of

having a Cylon that thinks it's human.

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Uh, Which, fair question.

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Laura: Yeah, I don't

think this guy answers it.

410

:

Xhafer: he doesn't.

411

:

Laura: I want to say from my memory of the

book that Like, he just wanted a daughter,

412

:

Xhafer: yeah,

413

:

Laura: but I'm not 100

percent sure on that.

414

:

But my impression was he wanted a

daughter, but without the pesky,

415

:

you know, having a human daughter.

416

:

Yeah, she's also very picky

about, you know, have you ever

417

:

retired a human by mistake?

418

:

Xhafer: Yeah, just wants to know.

419

:

Asking for a friend.

420

:

The friend is the police.

421

:

You kill anybody?

422

:

Did you ever have you ever

killed a human person?

423

:

We can't say real person.

424

:

Laura: These questions that we ask

in the Voight Kampff test we've got

425

:

calfskin wallet butterfly collection.

426

:

And the killing jar wasp crawling

on her arm, and, and when we were

427

:

questioning Leon earlier, we had, like,

the tortoise on its back in the sun,

428

:

and did your mom love you or something?

429

:

I

430

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

431

:

Laura: don't, don't remember exactly,

it was something about a mother, and

432

:

that's what provokes the gunshot.

433

:

just goes to show you, we all have

strong feelings about parents, but I do

434

:

remember those questions from the book,

435

:

like, that, that's lifted

straight from the book.

436

:

The material.

437

:

Xhafer: And those are like,

that's like a famous thing.

438

:

Like, that, that is something that

has been touted about a ton of

439

:

science fiction over the years.

440

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

441

:

Yeah.

442

:

Picked up and used other places.

443

:

Yeah.

444

:

Naked girl, raw oysters, um, entree

of boiled dog, like a whole bunch.

445

:

He has to go through a lot of questions,

446

:

and I think at the end they say he

asked her over a hundred questions

447

:

and it finally kicked that she's a

replicant and she doesn't know it.

448

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

449

:

Laura: But she's starting to suspect.

450

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

451

:

We ask why you would give someone

false memories of their past in

452

:

here as well as part of this.

453

:

That's why she's unaware is because

she has a full memory of her history.

454

:

And it's, we get the explanation of

this is the emotional pillow on which

455

:

we rest our heads and build the rest

of our thoughts on, our memories.

456

:

And so that's why.

457

:

She could be unawares and still have

the four year term, and also why the

458

:

four year term is so important to

prevent them from going on, as it were.

459

:

Laura: Yeah.

460

:

Xhafer: Because then you might

feel guilty about enslaving people.

461

:

If the

462

:

Laura: If they, if they knew

that they were slaves and, and

463

:

understood and felt ways about that.

464

:

Hmm.

465

:

Xhafer: Gavin Decker, go

check out Leon's hotel room.

466

:

There's, like, minerals in the shower?

467

:

Laura: These are scales, right?

468

:

Xhafer: Are these the scales?

469

:

Is that what this is?

470

:

Laura: Well, I know we get

a scale from the shower.

471

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it seems

like there was like, random

472

:

buildup of other stuff though.

473

:

I was so

474

:

Laura: Oh, you know what?

475

:

I think I saw something that was

like machine oil or something

476

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

477

:

Laura: that reminded me of that

in addition to we get the scale.

478

:

Yeah.

479

:

Yeah.

480

:

But we see that these aren't just

like, gears and oils, robots.

481

:

Xhafer: like, leftover head and shoulders

that didn't make it down the drain.

482

:

Like, this

483

:

is, this is some shit.

484

:

Well, no, it's not.

485

:

That's, I guess, the point.

486

:

Um, yeah, it's like, yeah, I

just, it was so bizarre to me.

487

:

Like, what is this?

488

:

Laura: Yeah.

489

:

I, I remember thinking machine oil,

but they're also like meat robots,

490

:

like our Cylons, like clearly.

491

:

We see it pretty graphically later,

492

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

493

:

Laura: But the important part

is we get a scale out of there,

494

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

495

:

That'll, that'll take us to plot later.

496

:

And then also the photos

are super important.

497

:

Laura: oh, this is where the, the

matchstick man gets left behind,

498

:

but yeah, a stash of photos.

499

:

Yeah.

500

:

Yeah.

501

:

Xhafer: Leon notices that they're

in his place and goes to tell

502

:

Batty that he is being pursued.

503

:

Laura: Yeah.

504

:

Batty asks him if he got his photos,

and now that we're like, talking

505

:

about the photos, I'm like, what was

so damn important about those photos?

506

:

Xhafer: They were his memories.

507

:

They're his emotional pillow.

508

:

It's all photos of him hanging

out with the other three Cylons.

509

:

Laura: Yeah, okay.

510

:

I know we're going to use it to do

our little CSI Enhance later, but

511

:

why were they important to Leon

512

:

was the memories.

513

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so like Rachel has

fake photos of her past, right?

514

:

Has like

515

:

evidence, evidence of her

personhood, effectively.

516

:

Laura: This is, I'm real

because I have this,

517

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I have

memories, I am a real thing.

518

:

This is the same thing as that.

519

:

It's the, these memories are, I

think they represent the group's

520

:

collective sentience, in a way.

521

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

522

:

Yeah, okay.

523

:

Well, and then, just hopping ahead, we're

gonna see Dex's apartment in a little bit.

524

:

And I remember being struck by,

like, all of the old stuff in it.

525

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

526

:

Yep.

527

:

Laura: kind of thing.

528

:

Old sheet music.

529

:

Old pictures.

530

:

Hmm.

531

:

Hmm.

532

:

Xhafer: Before we go to there,

though, we go to iWorld, where uh,

533

:

James Hong is treated like shit.

534

:

Laura: Yeah.

535

:

Xhafer: He doesn't tell them

anything, because he doesn't know

536

:

anything, but he does send them to J.

537

:

F.

538

:

Sebastian, who can take them to Dr.

539

:

Terrell.

540

:

Yeah.

541

:

Cleansecrafters.

542

:

Cleansecrafters.

543

:

Laura: it's implied from this

that like, his technology

544

:

went into the Robits, right?

545

:

but I guess he's also just making eyes.

546

:

Like, if I need a new

eyes, I go get one Mm

547

:

Xhafer: eyes?

548

:

Sure.

549

:

Yeah.

550

:

I mean, if Robits Asylums

are meatbags, right?

551

:

Laura: hmm.

552

:

Xhafer: So, it stands to reason that we

got pretty good at making fake orkans.

553

:

Laura: Yeah.

554

:

Xhafer: Throwin in a person?

555

:

Laura: Yeah.

556

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

557

:

Laura: This is a neat world building

spot though with like the freezing

558

:

store and he's like wearing a parka

that he has like heat piped into it,

559

:

you know, to keep all these eyes on ice.

560

:

Uh, It's a nifty little scene

even though, you know, we get to

561

:

see our actor be treated poorly.

562

:

Xhafer: yeah,

563

:

Laura: But he recognizes Roy right

away as a Nexus type of replicant.

564

:

Xhafer: Nexus 6,

565

:

which it occurred to me this

time that that was probably

566

:

why they named the phone that.

567

:

I had a Nexus 6 phone.

568

:

Laura: Oh, hilarious.

569

:

Xhafer: think, I don't think there was

a Nexus 1 through 4, I think they came

570

:

out with the 5 and 6 at the same time.

571

:

Laura: Well, I wondered if Chief

Tyrell's name was kind of a little

572

:

reference to the Tyrell Corporation

without being, you know, obvious.

573

:

Xhafer: yeah, that, that

could be quite true.

574

:

It's a fun little thing.

575

:

Deckard goes home, but Rachel

is waiting in the elevator.

576

:

She wants to know her test results.

577

:

Deckard gets her to believe

it by recalling memories that

578

:

she's never told anyone about.

579

:

Laura: Yeah.

580

:

Xhafer: How the fuck

does he know this stuff?

581

:

Laura: I guess it seems like Tyrell must

have shared some kind of file with him.

582

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

583

:

Laura: And I think maybe

that does happen in the book.

584

:

Maybe it happens in another version

of, like, another cut of the movie.

585

:

but yeah, it seems like he had been

given some information, extra information

586

:

about her after he uncovered who she was.

587

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

588

:

Laura: Because otherwise, yeah.

589

:

How does he fucking know?

590

:

Xhafer: That doesn't make sense to me.

591

:

But whatever He tries to reverse

course here but the damage is done.

592

:

Deckard looks at her photos and

then Leon's immediately after.

593

:

Laura: Yeah, she drops hers

in a huff when she leaves.

594

:

Xhafer: After this we

see Pris walking around.

595

:

She's hiding out in a trash

pile until she's disturbed by J.

596

:

F.

597

:

Sebastian who is getting

dropped off by a taxi.

598

:

Laura: Yeah, I did not understand

this guy and I called him a

599

:

garbage collector at first,

600

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

601

:

Oh.

602

:

Laura: notes, until we found out he was J.

603

:

F.

604

:

Sebastian.

605

:

Apparently he was also in third space.

606

:

Xhafer: Babylon

607

:

5 Third Space?

608

:

Laura: Sure was.

609

:

Xhafer: Ah, okay.

610

:

Yeah, I'm thinking of a different movie.

611

:

Ugh, God.

612

:

Third Space.

613

:

I've blocked out Third Space

614

:

Laura: Yeah.

615

:

This is a weird character.

616

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they

617

:

they're walking, like, through halls

to get to his apartment, and this

618

:

place is just littered with sex dolls.

619

:

Laura: Yeah.

620

:

Xhafer: Like, Pris, self

aware, knows she's a sex doll.

621

:

If I were to go to a place and saw all

of this, I am not sta Like, obviously

622

:

she's not there because she wants to be,

she's there because she knows who this

623

:

guy is and was waiting for him, and It's

all, it's all so that they can get to Dr.

624

:

Terrell.

625

:

But, like, man, I would

be on high fucking alert.

626

:

Laura: Yeah, he's living

alone in this building.

627

:

It seems like it's abandoned.

628

:

It's implied that enough people are

going off world, that we have some of

629

:

these buildings that are just empty now.

630

:

He says an interesting line, that

there's plenty of room for everyone.

631

:

Xhafer: hmm.

632

:

Laura: it made me wonder what

this guy, like, kind of knows.

633

:

Like, is he Cylon sympathetic?

634

:

And like, yeah.

635

:

I, I live with a bunch of dolls

already, like, bring your friends,

636

:

you know?

637

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

638

:

Laura: because I, I don't know

if he says it any time soon, but

639

:

basically he clocks Pris and Roy.

640

:

Pretty much instantly that they are

replicants and It made me wonder,

641

:

like, why do we need Blade Runners

so bad when we've had two characters

642

:

just completely recognize them?

643

:

No bullshit, you know?

644

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

645

:

Yeah.

646

:

What's the point of the Voight

Kampff when enough people

647

:

work on these fucking things?

648

:

It's like, they're just, like.

649

:

They're just engineers who are like,

Oh, you're a, you know, a:

650

:

I worked on you.

651

:

You know, that happens here in

Deux Trois all the fucking time.

652

:

Laura: Right.

653

:

Right.

654

:

It's like, huh.

655

:

Interesting.

656

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

657

:

I mean, shit.

658

:

I worked on a car that I own, like shit

happens like that all the time here.

659

:

It's, it's the same thing.

660

:

Laura: I just wonder,

661

:

is he a sympathizer in some way, yeah,

662

:

Xhafer: You don't have a

Napoleon teddy bear that you've

663

:

animated to life without being

664

:

some kind of sympathizer.

665

:

Laura: yeah.

666

:

this is fun though, that a lot of

these little toys that he has are

667

:

very clearly, you know, actors.

668

:

They're people.

669

:

We've just painted them up or put them

in some kind of a fantastical costume

670

:

to make this place extra creepy.

671

:

Like it's so creepy.

672

:

Xhafer: the creepiest Daryl Hannah run.

673

:

Laura: Back at Dex's apartment,

he's picking at his piano.

674

:

And hallucinating a unicorn.

675

:

Dick drinks a lot.

676

:

Xhafer: Everyone only drinks

future Johnny Walker in this movie.

677

:

Laura: Yeah.

678

:

But it seems like pretty much every

scene he's either, like, drinking

679

:

a drink or going to get a drink.

680

:

Xhafer: Or smoking.

681

:

Laura: Or smoking.

682

:

Yeah, yeah.

683

:

Xhafer: 80s Harrison Ford.

684

:

Laura: Yeah.

685

:

Fair

686

:

Xhafer: Is it the character?

687

:

Is it the actor?

688

:

Laura: he hallucinates this unicorn.

689

:

Not clear why.

690

:

Why he's thinking about unicorns.

691

:

Xhafer: Man, that is a point

in the uh, replicant though.

692

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

693

:

Oh, yeah.

694

:

Definitely.

695

:

Xhafer: Knowing that Gaff

leaves one for him later.

696

:

100%.

697

:

Laura: Yeah.

698

:

He Goes and sticks the one of

Leon's pictures into the TV to

699

:

enhance His apartment's just

like a big mess, isn't it?

700

:

I

701

:

mean, I don't know if this is

just like the darkness of the

702

:

visual style, but I was like

703

:

Xhafer: The thing that gets me is

like, The 3D printed kitchen backsplash

704

:

of the weird, like, maze pattern.

705

:

Laura: It's like on all the walls it's

everywhere and we have like weird pillars

706

:

that are also covered in the backsplash

707

:

Xhafer: Yeah, who would do this to a home?

708

:

Laura: Like he goes out on the balcony at

one point And it's on the outside balcony.

709

:

It's like, we just took the stuff

that we made the outside of and

710

:

also made the inside of that.

711

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's

712

:

Laura: It's weird.

713

:

Ha ha ha.

714

:

Xhafer: God, this guy

carpets over hardwood.

715

:

I know everything I need to about him.

716

:

Laura: Oof.

717

:

Oof.

718

:

Xhafer: Fucking, so, We get what

I think is the biggest piece of

719

:

science fiction in this here,

which is a printer that just works

720

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

721

:

Xhafer: as he prints out some

his enhanced photos for later.

722

:

Laura: Right?

723

:

Xhafer: he takes the scale that

he found in the markets and learns

724

:

that it was a Cylon snake, which he

follows to Taffy Lewis in Chinatown.

725

:

Laura: Yeah.

726

:

The snake salesman is fun.

727

:

Xhafer: Timestamp 4857.

728

:

If you're in the Discord,

you saw me post this as well.

729

:

this is the uh, two dancing girls

wearing Jason hockey masks, like

730

:

old school hockey goalie masks.

731

:

Laura: Now, Ja'far,

don't yuck anyone's yums.

732

:

ha ha.

733

:

I had to go look at the picture,

too, because I hadn't seen it

734

:

yet, and this is hilarious.

735

:

Xhafer: I'm not kink

shaming, I'm kink asking why.

736

:

I mean if it's just like Jason

Mask monster fucker stuff, I don't

737

:

understand it but I acknowledge it.

738

:

Laura: Yeah, that's a,

that's a real fun picture.

739

:

I did not catch that.

740

:

Xhafer: It was, it was so quick

that like I had paused it, right?

741

:

And Beth was in the other room,

comes back in, sees what's paused

742

:

on the screen as I'm just laughing.

743

:

And is like, what are you watching?

744

:

And I'm like, this is Blade Runner.

745

:

Laura: This is just Blade Runner, man.

746

:

Like, this is an

747

:

Xhafer: This isn't in Blade

Runner, what are you talking about?

748

:

I'm all like,

749

:

Laura: Oh, yes it

750

:

Xhafer: rewind 30 seconds,

see Harrison Ford.

751

:

Like, no, it's fucking Blade Runner.

752

:

What is going on?

753

:

Laura: Deckard asks about the snake.

754

:

To Taffy Lewis, and Taffy orders him

a drink, so more drinking and he goes

755

:

to call Rachel on the payphone and

invite her to the weird strip club?

756

:

Xhafer: Yeah, weird choice, dude.

757

:

Laura: is so weird.

758

:

And she basically tells him like,

I'm really upset at you for one

759

:

thing, like that's the big vibe, is

you've hurt my feelings very badly.

760

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

761

:

my real human feelings.

762

:

Laura: my real human feelings,

and I'm not that kind of girl.

763

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

764

:

Laura: I don't know how he

couldn't tell from the hairdo.

765

:

That's a very, not that

kind of girl hairdo she has.

766

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so Harrison Ford

watches the Cylon snake sex show?

767

:

What the fuck Ridley Scott?

768

:

Laura: this is really funny to me

though, because like, She hangs up on

769

:

him, he goes back to the thing, and

they announce Salome and the snake, I

770

:

think is the name of the, the act here.

771

:

And it's like a beat where

he's watching it come on and

772

:

then he just like turns away.

773

:

And I was like, what is happening

over there that he was like, oh no.

774

:

But he goes in and coughs

Salome after the show.

775

:

Xhafer: This is Zora.

776

:

Laura: mm

777

:

Xhafer: don't say it.

778

:

They give us, I was, like, they

give us one name at the start of

779

:

the movie and then a different name

in the second half of the movie and

780

:

they never say it's the same person.

781

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

782

:

Are we supposed to wonder if he might

perhaps have gotten the wrong person?

783

:

Because they never verify it.

784

:

I mean, I guess they do

verify that she's a replicant.

785

:

At least the chief does.

786

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

787

:

Laura: but he's pretending

to be, like, some union rep.

788

:

and this is some very

good Harrison Ford here.

789

:

He's his best, like, nerd,

innocent nerd act, obviously.

790

:

Mm hmm.

791

:

Xhafer: He clearly learned this

hanging out with Mark Hamill.

792

:

Like, he does such

793

:

Laura: Oh, do you think

he's channeling Mark

794

:

Xhafer: 100 percent he's channeling Mark

795

:

Hamill here.

796

:

Um, I have questions about this scene.

797

:

Namely what happens to all to Zora's

bedazzlement because she's like covered

798

:

in like rhinestone stickers when she

goes into the shower and then they're

799

:

all off when she gets out of the shower.

800

:

Laura: That's not good for your drains.

801

:

Xhafer: No, it's terrible for your drains.

802

:

What is it with replicants ruining

fucking drains and just having all

803

:

kinds of stuff they shouldn't in there?

804

:

Laura: For real, they're like, well, we

don't have to worry about these pipes.

805

:

We won't be here in four years.

806

:

This is someone else's problem.

807

:

Xhafer: They're just treating their

homes like they're rental cars.

808

:

I hate it.

809

:

Laura: It's crazy to me that she,

like, gets in the shower and he's

810

:

just Like, looting the dressing room,

talking to her at the same time.

811

:

there's no respect for anybody

who shares this dressing room.

812

:

Xhafer: No.

813

:

Deckard's questions get him tossed,

choked, and embarrassed as Selene makes

814

:

a run for it in a fucking plastic poncho?

815

:

Laura: Yeah, like her

underwear and a plastic poncho.

816

:

See through, See through, poncho.

817

:

Makes for a dramatic

818

:

Xhafer: We get it, Ridley Scott.

819

:

You're horny.

820

:

We understand.

821

:

Laura: It makes it really

dramatic when she runs through

822

:

several plate glass windows.

823

:

Xhafer: It does.

824

:

He gives Chase through crowds and buses.

825

:

And he has to shoot her like

three times as she runs through

826

:

all of that aforementioned glass.

827

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah as, you know,

we're confirming she's been shot dead

828

:

Leon sees the scene, but isn't seen.

829

:

Xhafer: Yes.

830

:

And so he goes to confront Deckard.

831

:

Laura: Yeah, and no one on the

street seemed to care about the

832

:

murder they witnessed either.

833

:

Xhafer: Oh, cop showed up?

834

:

Oh, it's a replicant?

835

:

Whatever.

836

:

Yeah, no one gives a fuck.

837

:

I mean, honestly, this is super

police state y, so they probably

838

:

just don't give a fuck anyways.

839

:

Laura: they're like, this is Tuesday.

840

:

At this point I wrote, is

Deck an alcoholic robot?

841

:

Cause he like, goes to get a bottle

of liquor at the liquor store

842

:

or a bar window or something.

843

:

I don't know, I was like, got a little

bit of like, the bender going on here.

844

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

845

:

If you stay drunk, you never

have to deal with sobering up.

846

:

Laura: Hmm.

847

:

Xhafer: That's, that's, that's not real.

848

:

That's ironic advice, audience.

849

:

Please, please seek help if you need it.

850

:

Laura: Yeah.

851

:

Xhafer: Please.

852

:

Laura: For sure.

853

:

Xhafer: Gaul uh, tracks him down when

he's going through this to take him

854

:

back to Bryant, who adds Rachel to the

list because she's gone missing now.

855

:

Laura: Oh yeah, and he's very

cavalier about the whole thing.

856

:

it's like

857

:

Ah, well, there's another one, so

whatever you can do, go, go get him.

858

:

Xhafer: Deckard sees Rachel across the

way here and goes to catch up when Leon

859

:

grabs him and puts the hurt on him.

860

:

As they scrap, Rachel gets Deckard's

gun and kills Leon, saving Deckard.

861

:

Hmm.

862

:

Laura: in here.

863

:

He says, wake up, time to die.

864

:

I was like, hmm, that's, I wonder

if that's a reference to like,

865

:

You are also one of us, and,

866

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean, Time to Die is

also at the end of the film too, so.

867

:

Laura: Mm,

868

:

Xhafer: Which was ad libbed, so.

869

:

That's interesting.

870

:

Laura: yeah.

871

:

Xhafer: anyways they go back to

Deckard's place to talk and drink.

872

:

She asks if she runs, if Deckard

would be the one to hunt her down.

873

:

He says he wouldn't hunt her

down but somebody else would.

874

:

They sit down at the piano,

and uh, he kisses her.

875

:

She goes to leave after this, and

it's all really fucking gross power

876

:

dynamics since she literally needs

him to let her escape to live.

877

:

Laura: Yeah.

878

:

Xhafer: is no possible way

she could consent here.

879

:

Laura: Yep.

880

:

Xhafer: This is fucking

gross and I hate it.

881

:

Laura: Yeah.

882

:

The, the whole thing is really gross.

883

:

she clearly doesn't, like,

want to kiss him, and we know

884

:

because she is so human like

885

:

That she has feelings.

886

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

887

:

Laura: So, this like,

forced intimacy, I guess?

888

:

I don't know, that's not a great

word for what it is, you know?

889

:

but it's so, it's so jarring because we

have, him violently forcing her to stay.

890

:

And we also have just like, sexy

saxophone in the background.

891

:

Xhafer: Yeah!

892

:

I wonder how much of this is just

like, this was acceptable in the 80s.

893

:

And,

894

:

I will, I mean, I haven't seen this

movie in, I wanna say probably 15 years.

895

:

Right.

896

:

It's been a

897

:

long time.

898

:

And I know that I am a different

person now than the person

899

:

that I was 15 years ago.

900

:

And I don't remember

anything this jarring.

901

:

I don't know if it's just not

in the other cut of the film,

902

:

or if it's handled differently.

903

:

And it's not as jarring there

because they're not shoving the

904

:

sexy saxophone on at the same time.

905

:

Or, if there's a little maybe different

dialogue or a different read or

906

:

a different cut where it's not as

like, outwardly violent as this.

907

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

908

:

Xhafer: So like, keeping that in mind,

part of me is just like, Oh, it's

909

:

the 80s, this was just acceptable.

910

:

Laura: I mean, it can be that.

911

:

Xhafer: Duhhhhhh.

912

:

I hate it here.

913

:

Laura: It's interesting that I wonder

if he really thought she was a woman,

914

:

if he would behave the same way,

but she's been, like, dehumanized.

915

:

She's, like, not on the same level

916

:

Xhafer: Because she's a robot, it's okay.

917

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know.

918

:

I feel like there's a feminist

message in here as well about how

919

:

women are treated as not people.

920

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

921

:

Laura: parts of our society and culture.

922

:

And then we like, cut over to Pris,

who is also a not people, and she's

923

:

airbrushing a mask on herself.

924

:

Xhafer: She's just putting on some doll

makeup to hang out with the other dolls.

925

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

926

:

Sebastian's asleep in his

chair and we find out he's 25.

927

:

Xhafer: Yeah, he's got Methuselah

Syndrome, which means he ages

928

:

rapidly, so he can't go to space.

929

:

Laura: Yeah.

930

:

Xhafer: we have to talk

about something else here.

931

:

This is the most prominent

example of this in the movie,

932

:

so I wanted to call it out here.

933

:

Um, there is a thing with

the replicants that we see

934

:

continuously throughout this movie.

935

:

Uh, before this and after this.

936

:

Where, um, you know when you take a

picture of like an animal on like an

937

:

old film and their eyes are different?

938

:

That happens with all of the

replicants in this movie.

939

:

Laura: all have a yellow glow to the

940

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

941

:

Yeah, it's all, like, that red,

yellow, like, animal pupil glow

942

:

thing that happens in photographs.

943

:

And Pris has it most prominently

here out of any of the

944

:

replicants outside of the owl,

945

:

Laura: Yeah, the owl's

like, super obvi, yeah.

946

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

947

:

Laura: I was really interested

in Methuselah Syndrome, I was

948

:

like, is this a real thing?

949

:

Xhafer: A normal

direction Benjamin button.

950

:

Laura: It's like, we just kind of drop

this in there, but we don't do anything

951

:

with it and it doesn't go anywhere.

952

:

And I was very confused.

953

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

954

:

Laura: Uh, But Roy comes

in and kisses Pris.

955

:

He's found them.

956

:

Sebastian is trying to be diplomatic here.

957

:

He offers them breakfast.

958

:

Roy does not give a shit though.

959

:

Xhafer: No.

960

:

Laura: Tells her that Leon is dead,

and she says, we're stupid and

961

:

we'll die, and I feel the same way.

962

:

Xhafer: Oh, Laura

963

:

Hugs.

964

:

Laura: I think that's Ph.

965

:

D.

966

:

student syndrome.

967

:

Pris,

968

:

Xhafer: Oh, no.

969

:

Laura: Pris, where, what

program did you get into?

970

:

Where are you going?

971

:

I kid, I

972

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

973

:

Sebastian's a real fucking

nerd here talking about what

974

:

model silent are you and stuff.

975

:

And then Batty reveals the reason

that they stole that shuttle, killed

976

:

all those people, and came to Earth.

977

:

It's because their expiration date

is near, and they don't want to die.

978

:

Laura: They want Tyrell to fix it.

979

:

Xhafer: Sebastian can't help but say

he'll ask Tyrell, and again, helps them.

980

:

Uh, He takes Batty to go to

Tyrell after uh, some chess.

981

:

Laura: For some reason, this

scientist gets to play chess

982

:

with the CEO all the time.

983

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

984

:

Laura: This weird scientist who

lives alone in the building of sex

985

:

dolls gets to play chess with the CEO

986

:

Xhafer: This is what happens when

you've got a, like, billionaire who

987

:

just comes into a bunch of money and

just, like, hires a bunch of, like,

988

:

nerdy antisocial kids to work for him.

989

:

But then, I mean, you know, it's

just, it's pure science fiction.

990

:

Laura: Seems legit.

991

:

Uh, He's, JF is sympathetic,

but he's starting to seem

992

:

pretty reluctant at this point.

993

:

This is getting a little weird and

violent, even for the weird sex doll guy.

994

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

995

:

Batty and Terrell go back and

forth about the possibility

996

:

of replicant lifespan here.

997

:

But they seem pretty set.

998

:

They techno jargon at each other

for like three minutes here.

999

:

Just like, well, what about this?

:

00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:18,143

Well, that will form a virus.

:

00:47:18,143 --> 00:47:18,933

Well, what about this?

:

00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:21,183

Oh, well, then we'll do

this, and then this happens.

:

00:47:21,193 --> 00:47:24,363

It's just like, they've clearly

tried all their shit, bro.

:

00:47:26,348 --> 00:47:29,738

You didn't have any answers, which you

knew, which is why you're here, because

:

00:47:29,738 --> 00:47:31,668

if you had answers, you wouldn't be here.

:

00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:35,688

And so throwing the answers that didn't

work at him, I don't know why you

:

00:47:35,688 --> 00:47:38,128

think that's a good idea, but whatever.

:

00:47:38,792 --> 00:47:42,462

they can't change him after the

second day of their incubation.

:

00:47:42,992 --> 00:47:44,852

For lack of a better term, birthing.

:

00:47:45,372 --> 00:47:49,652

And then baddies straight up Oberyn's

Tyrell for his inability to help.

:

00:47:50,252 --> 00:47:51,752

Laura: My gosh, yes.

:

00:47:52,384 --> 00:47:53,284

This is uh,

:

00:47:53,603 --> 00:47:58,750

Xhafer: mean, maybe it was, you know,

patricide, maybe deicide for Batty?

:

00:47:58,820 --> 00:47:59,440

I don't know.

:

00:47:59,992 --> 00:48:00,432

Laura: yeah.

:

00:48:00,704 --> 00:48:04,384

Xhafer: I mean, I've played enough

JRPGs to know what my feelings are if

:

00:48:04,384 --> 00:48:06,064

I have the opportunity to kill God.

:

00:48:06,594 --> 00:48:07,334

So,

:

00:48:09,288 --> 00:48:09,718

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:12,530

And the owl watches the whole time.

:

00:48:12,695 --> 00:48:13,095

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,470

Laura: Unmoved.

:

00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:19,697

Xhafer: Deckard hears the news of

Terrell's passing and goes to the

:

00:48:19,707 --> 00:48:22,747

Bradbury to check out Sebastian's place.

:

00:48:22,902 --> 00:48:24,062

Laura: Yeah, very nice.

:

00:48:24,192 --> 00:48:24,902

Very, very nice.

:

00:48:25,452 --> 00:48:28,812

Xhafer: Pris screens the call and

hangs up so that way she can hide

:

00:48:28,812 --> 00:48:32,922

in the sex dolls as Deckard makes

his way through Sebastian's place.

:

00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,990

Laura: This is a pretty good plan, Pris.

:

00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,220

Because she's, she's painted

on that mask and she, like,

:

00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:40,360

drapes herself a little bit.

:

00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,925

And she's just so, you know, thin

and lithe and like, Doll like.

:

00:48:45,155 --> 00:48:45,475

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:45,875 --> 00:48:46,535

Laura: It's perfect.

:

00:48:46,575 --> 00:48:50,889

Like, if you could just get the drop on

him, maybe you could get out of this.

:

00:48:51,099 --> 00:48:52,549

Xhafer: And she does get the drop on him.

:

00:48:52,839 --> 00:48:57,179

But then she decides to do flippy shit

instead of something useful in a fight

:

00:48:57,629 --> 00:48:57,999

Laura: Mmm.

:

00:48:58,219 --> 00:48:58,829

Oops.

:

00:48:59,049 --> 00:49:00,329

Xhafer: and she gets shot for it.

:

00:49:00,609 --> 00:49:05,209

Like as someone who's done enough

martial arts to know where you've

:

00:49:05,209 --> 00:49:07,939

got people who think that it's a

cinematic thing and they're doing

:

00:49:07,939 --> 00:49:10,139

flippy shit and they just get.

:

00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:12,819

In my case, stabbed,

but in this case, shot.

:

00:49:13,409 --> 00:49:14,519

Yeah, never works.

:

00:49:14,759 --> 00:49:16,099

Never fucking works.

:

00:49:16,669 --> 00:49:17,109

Laura: Mm hmm.

:

00:49:17,439 --> 00:49:20,909

Xhafer: There's like three reasons you

ever have to do anything like this,

:

00:49:20,939 --> 00:49:22,879

and they are few and far between.

:

00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:28,245

Laura: Yeah, Pris's death is really

dramatic in a different way from Zora's.

:

00:49:28,445 --> 00:49:28,845

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:29,335 --> 00:49:30,935

Laura: She's, like, seizureing

:

00:49:31,505 --> 00:49:33,165

on the floor to death.

:

00:49:33,175 --> 00:49:34,345

It's, it's very

:

00:49:35,705 --> 00:49:36,065

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:36,615 --> 00:49:40,025

Batty has made his way back at

this point and finds Pris's body.

:

00:49:40,525 --> 00:49:44,165

He grabs Deckert through the

wall and breaks his fingers.

:

00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:46,227

Laura: Oh, yeah.

:

00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,050

Ugh.

:

00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,560

Xhafer: But Batty's like trying to

give him a sporting chance, or is

:

00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,290

just trying to like, fuck with him?

:

00:49:54,745 --> 00:49:56,745

Laura: Yeah, like, why, man?

:

00:49:56,825 --> 00:49:57,445

Come on.

:

00:49:57,625 --> 00:50:00,905

I guess all his feelings that

he's developed are pretty nasty.

:

00:50:01,137 --> 00:50:04,807

Xhafer: Well, he's impaired of

some variety because he is dying.

:

00:50:05,237 --> 00:50:07,027

This is his expiration date.

:

00:50:07,275 --> 00:50:11,465

Laura: We have seen him act weird,

too, like, his hand clenching up.

:

00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:12,070

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:50:12,485 --> 00:50:16,275

Laura: We see it a couple times before

things get to the fight, I think, and

:

00:50:16,275 --> 00:50:19,515

he's now you can see it's a real problem.

:

00:50:20,015 --> 00:50:23,885

Xhafer: Yeah, he's, he is

in the process of expiring,

:

00:50:24,445 --> 00:50:29,005

Laura: He, like, sticks a nail through

his hand to get it to stop clenching,

:

00:50:29,255 --> 00:50:33,235

Xhafer: Yeah, the pain just like, I

assumed it was like an adrenal response,

:

00:50:33,235 --> 00:50:35,695

like the pain will keep me alive right

:

00:50:35,885 --> 00:50:39,335

Laura: Mm, yeah, definitely

not a Jesus metaphor at all.

:

00:50:39,525 --> 00:50:40,105

Xhafer: No, no.

:

00:50:40,115 --> 00:50:42,645

Why would there be a Jesus

metaphor in a movie about Robits?

:

00:50:42,645 --> 00:50:43,355

That's absurd.

:

00:50:47,237 --> 00:50:50,747

they fight through a bathroom

up on the side of the building.

:

00:50:51,247 --> 00:50:55,227

Deckard climbs up to try and escape,

but he's followed and almost bites

:

00:50:55,227 --> 00:50:56,957

it trying to jump over rooftops.

:

00:50:57,572 --> 00:50:57,722

Laura: Mm

:

00:50:58,536 --> 00:51:02,536

Xhafer: When Deckard slips baddie

catches him and drags him up on the roof.

:

00:51:03,099 --> 00:51:04,959

He says he's seen some shit

:

00:51:05,227 --> 00:51:08,697

Laura: Before we talk about seeing

some shit, which is a really good

:

00:51:08,697 --> 00:51:13,499

line, and we obviously have to talk

about it, where did he get this bird?

:

00:51:14,662 --> 00:51:16,632

He's like holding a bird now.

:

00:51:17,592 --> 00:51:18,832

A white dove.

:

00:51:19,566 --> 00:51:22,006

Xhafer: he just needs he knew he

was gonna need to dramatically

:

00:51:22,006 --> 00:51:23,186

let it go when he died.

:

00:51:23,641 --> 00:51:27,505

Laura: Yeah, we've gotta see his soul

ascend to heaven I guess, so he's just

:

00:51:27,505 --> 00:51:29,565

like pulled a bird out of his pants.

:

00:51:30,895 --> 00:51:34,165

He was getting more and more

naked as this fight goes on too.

:

00:51:34,451 --> 00:51:34,901

Xhafer: does

:

00:51:35,266 --> 00:51:38,776

Laura: He just starts like losing pieces

of clothing, and I think we're down

:

00:51:38,776 --> 00:51:40,526

to boxers at this point, aren't we?

:

00:51:40,551 --> 00:51:44,959

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, this was pretty

par for the course for me because one

:

00:51:44,959 --> 00:51:48,549

of my best friends would get drunk in

college and just start losing articles

:

00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:53,649

of clothing, no matter what the

situation where we were did not matter.

:

00:51:54,169 --> 00:51:58,704

Like, Very rarely fully naked, but

just like, Oh, I lost my shirt.

:

00:51:58,964 --> 00:52:01,024

Like, how did you lose your shirt?

:

00:52:01,594 --> 00:52:03,784

Like, actually losing his clothes.

:

00:52:03,784 --> 00:52:05,864

Like, how did you lose your shirt?

:

00:52:06,474 --> 00:52:09,834

Laura: I think this is a clear sign

that the bird was in his pants, just

:

00:52:09,834 --> 00:52:10,834

waiting, so.

:

00:52:11,454 --> 00:52:12,904

And it's a robot bird, right?

:

00:52:12,994 --> 00:52:13,534

So.

:

00:52:14,124 --> 00:52:14,404

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:52:14,434 --> 00:52:15,644

Well, we know he's a magician.

:

00:52:15,644 --> 00:52:16,814

His first name's Roy.

:

00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:17,710

Laura: Oh.

:

00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:18,450

Xhafer: So,

:

00:52:18,725 --> 00:52:20,825

Laura: And obviously great with animals.

:

00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:21,890

Xhafer: yeah, 100%.

:

00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:22,960

he catches Deckard.

:

00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,510

Deckard's just like, I'm fucked,

but, but Batty knows he's dying.

:

00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:31,840

So he talks about, you know,

seeing the laser arcs outside

:

00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,200

the Tannhauser gate and stuff.

:

00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:36,570

Space battery things.

:

00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:41,600

And then he, he says his memories

are like tears in the rain.

:

00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:43,690

Time to die.

:

00:52:45,019 --> 00:52:45,959

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:46,029 --> 00:52:47,669

Speech.

:

00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:51,930

Xhafer: So I read a bit about this

scene because this is like the

:

00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:53,760

iconic scene from this movie, right?

:

00:52:54,259 --> 00:52:54,649

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:59,380

Xhafer: And Originally, it was just

a bunch of like space battle stuff

:

00:52:59,380 --> 00:53:01,130

he talks about and then he dies.

:

00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,940

He does not say, like Tears in

the Rain, he does not say time

:

00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:08,310

to die in the script as written.

:

00:53:08,849 --> 00:53:10,819

Laura: I think that that's

not in the book either.

:

00:53:10,819 --> 00:53:16,239

I think the townhouser gate is in

the book, but not this other stuff.

:

00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:19,580

Xhafer: It was compl it

was ad libbed by the actor,

:

00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,940

who, the night before filming,

was like, This does not have the

:

00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:26,820

emotional resonance that it should.

:

00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:31,430

Did not tell anyone, and just

shot the scene like that.

:

00:53:32,103 --> 00:53:38,253

And, apparently, it was so impactful,

that once there was, like, enough silence

:

00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:44,003

cleared for the scene to be done filming,

the entire crew erupted in applause.

:

00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:45,593

Laura: Oh, yeah.

:

00:53:46,522 --> 00:53:47,132

they should.

:

00:53:47,317 --> 00:53:47,697

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:47,877 --> 00:53:49,147

Well, yeah, it's fucking great.

:

00:53:49,937 --> 00:53:51,897

It's, it's, it's the part of this movie.

:

00:53:52,097 --> 00:53:54,877

I wouldn't recommend only watching

one scene from this movie if

:

00:53:54,877 --> 00:53:57,987

you're going to watch, if you want

to get experience Blade Runner.

:

00:53:58,677 --> 00:54:00,857

But if you do, it's this fucking scene.

:

00:54:01,397 --> 00:54:01,877

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:54:02,167 --> 00:54:03,107

If you had to.

:

00:54:03,367 --> 00:54:03,707

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:54:04,257 --> 00:54:07,177

Laura: So his robo soul ascends to heaven.

:

00:54:07,607 --> 00:54:08,067

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:54:08,407 --> 00:54:12,057

Laura: And then Gaff tosses

him his gun and congratulates

:

00:54:12,057 --> 00:54:14,057

him on doing a man's job.

:

00:54:14,907 --> 00:54:15,657

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:54:16,177 --> 00:54:16,607

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:54:17,007 --> 00:54:18,137

Xhafer: Weird.

:

00:54:19,177 --> 00:54:19,497

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:54:19,827 --> 00:54:22,287

Xhafer: Point, point in

the replicant category.

:

00:54:22,957 --> 00:54:23,267

Laura: Yep.

:

00:54:24,787 --> 00:54:27,017

And tells him, oh, by the

way, Rachel's going to die.

:

00:54:27,567 --> 00:54:29,417

Xhafer: Yeah, well, I mean,

they're all going to die.

:

00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:30,247

Laura: Yeah,

:

00:54:30,437 --> 00:54:34,157

Xhafer: That's, I mean, I guess that's

what he says too, but you know, shame

:

00:54:34,157 --> 00:54:37,327

she's gotta die, but we all have

to some point anyways, you know.

:

00:54:38,277 --> 00:54:44,294

Yeah, and uh, he goes back to his place

Rachel is like fully asleep, and in

:

00:54:44,294 --> 00:54:47,714

his apartment, and also loves him now.

:

00:54:48,604 --> 00:54:48,624

Laura: Ugh.

:

00:54:50,474 --> 00:54:52,654

Xhafer: You've known each

other for two fucking days.

:

00:54:53,274 --> 00:54:56,684

Laura: And you were forced to

stay here, and then he left, and

:

00:54:56,684 --> 00:54:58,334

you probably could have left.

:

00:54:59,074 --> 00:54:59,474

Xhafer: Ugh.

:

00:55:01,754 --> 00:55:02,924

Laura: I don't know, man.

:

00:55:03,779 --> 00:55:05,429

Xhafer: They run off together.

:

00:55:05,479 --> 00:55:06,509

End of movie.

:

00:55:07,204 --> 00:55:07,534

Laura: Yep.

:

00:55:07,694 --> 00:55:07,974

Oh!

:

00:55:08,644 --> 00:55:09,814

Gum wrapper unicorn,

:

00:55:09,814 --> 00:55:10,144

though.

:

00:55:10,344 --> 00:55:14,584

On our way out the door, we find a

gum wrapper unicorn in the hallway.

:

00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:17,494

And we get in the elevator, to credits.

:

00:55:18,328 --> 00:55:18,698

So.

:

00:55:19,373 --> 00:55:20,493

Big mysteries.

:

00:55:21,205 --> 00:55:22,365

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:24,600

Okay.

:

00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:26,280

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:28,440

Xhafer: Replicant.

:

00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,050

Yay.

:

00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:30,260

Nay.

:

00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:31,760

Laura: 100%.

:

00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:32,690

Replicant.

:

00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:38,355

Xhafer: I think that it is a better

movie if Deckard is replicant.

:

00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,450

I don't think the intention

is to make him a replicant.

:

00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:43,920

Laura: You don't think so?

:

00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:50,330

Xhafer: No, I think that a lot of that

came out of the discourse after the

:

00:55:50,330 --> 00:55:56,250

movie, um, because I think both Ridley

Scott and Harrison Ford have said, no,

:

00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:59,430

Laura: I recall Harrison Ford saying no.

:

00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:01,600

I thought the director

had finally admitted it.

:

00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:07,390

But maybe he's admitting it

because it's convenient too.

:

00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:08,090

You know what

:

00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:14,830

Xhafer: yeah, it's gotta be, it's

like such a prevalent fan theory.

:

00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:17,010

It's like, it's beyond fan theory.

:

00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:20,172

You know, it's, I, I think it's fun.

:

00:56:20,292 --> 00:56:21,352

I think it's interesting.

:

00:56:21,792 --> 00:56:23,122

I think it's good world building.

:

00:56:23,372 --> 00:56:27,442

I don't know if they give us an answer

in:

:

00:56:27,912 --> 00:56:30,302

They're making a third one right now, too.

:

00:56:30,312 --> 00:56:30,452

They're

:

00:56:30,452 --> 00:56:35,442

making a:

:

00:56:35,692 --> 00:56:36,412

Laura: Oh, wild.

:

00:56:36,422 --> 00:56:37,002

Okay.

:

00:56:37,552 --> 00:56:38,102

Xhafer: Um,

:

00:56:38,242 --> 00:56:41,212

Laura: I thought:

critically didn't do so well.

:

00:56:41,212 --> 00:56:41,922

Am I wrong?

:

00:56:42,472 --> 00:56:43,762

Xhafer: I don't think it did great.

:

00:56:43,932 --> 00:56:47,702

But it was Denis Villeneuve

who just did the Dune movies.

:

00:56:47,942 --> 00:56:48,382

Laura: Oh,

:

00:56:48,632 --> 00:56:52,802

Xhafer: those did enough where he can

do whatever the fuck he wants now.

:

00:56:53,032 --> 00:56:53,632

Laura: Gotcha.

:

00:56:53,722 --> 00:56:54,052

Gotcha.

:

00:56:54,082 --> 00:56:54,622

Gotcha.

:

00:56:55,237 --> 00:56:55,887

Xhafer: so,

:

00:56:56,372 --> 00:57:01,902

Laura: I do think that this story is

a better story than the original book.

:

00:57:01,942 --> 00:57:04,622

If that's not too rude to say

:

00:57:04,622 --> 00:57:05,672

Xhafer: I mean, Philip K.

:

00:57:05,672 --> 00:57:09,105

Dick as an author, like good,

:

00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:09,920

Laura: some

:

00:57:10,435 --> 00:57:10,855

Xhafer: definitely,

:

00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:12,490

Laura: ideas, like,

:

00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:17,710

how many movies have we made, sci fi

movies have we made based on an idea,

:

00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,450

at least, within one of his stories?

:

00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:21,250

There's this one, there's, um,

:

00:57:22,244 --> 00:57:22,674

Report

:

00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:25,939

Xhafer: there's that

animated Keanu Reeves one

:

00:57:25,949 --> 00:57:26,239

that's

:

00:57:26,294 --> 00:57:27,284

Laura: Scanner Darkly,

:

00:57:27,369 --> 00:57:29,439

Xhafer: yeah, Um.

:

00:57:29,889 --> 00:57:33,239

I mean, uh, The Man in the

High Tower ran for like three

:

00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:34,939

seasons on Amazon or something.

:

00:57:35,204 --> 00:57:36,434

Laura: yeah, The Man in the High Castle,

:

00:57:36,609 --> 00:57:37,009

Xhafer: That's it.

:

00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:37,329

Yeah.

:

00:57:37,629 --> 00:57:39,149

Which is an excellent book.

:

00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:41,479

I think that's his, his best book.

:

00:57:42,059 --> 00:57:46,349

Personally, I've read a couple of his

and it's just like, he's really good

:

00:57:46,359 --> 00:57:52,239

at the story and the world surrounding

it and making things interesting.

:

00:57:52,249 --> 00:57:59,144

And he's good at crafting a page turner

and he's good at Making you ask questions

:

00:57:59,224 --> 00:58:05,884

by not telling you everything, but by the

same token, he never tells you everything,

:

00:58:06,534 --> 00:58:06,794

Laura: yeah,

:

00:58:06,844 --> 00:58:11,314

Xhafer: which is like, fine, like, that's

what you get when you're reading Philip K.

:

00:58:11,314 --> 00:58:14,124

Dick and you can do that and move

on with your life and know that

:

00:58:14,124 --> 00:58:16,114

you're never going to know anything

and you're going to have questions.

:

00:58:16,766 --> 00:58:18,016

Laura: The questions are important.

:

00:58:18,056 --> 00:58:20,676

It's, it's important to feel

things and ask things and

:

00:58:20,676 --> 00:58:22,156

not have everything handed to

:

00:58:22,156 --> 00:58:23,696

you all the time.

:

00:58:24,036 --> 00:58:25,426

Like, there's a place for this.

:

00:58:25,746 --> 00:58:31,356

Um, one of the main differences, I

think, in the book is Deckard has a wife.

:

00:58:33,126 --> 00:58:33,806

Yeah.

:

00:58:34,586 --> 00:58:42,981

He has a wife and He is doing these

jobs because he really wants to buy her

:

00:58:42,981 --> 00:58:46,151

a real animal as like a status symbol.

:

00:58:47,411 --> 00:58:52,381

Um, and it's, she needs one, like

she's kind of like depressed and

:

00:58:52,381 --> 00:58:53,911

needs something to take care of.

:

00:58:55,301 --> 00:59:00,811

And that's a, a theme in this so

that's his like pressure to go

:

00:59:00,811 --> 00:59:03,581

back to Bryant and do this job.

:

00:59:04,481 --> 00:59:05,861

Oh, this is funny.

:

00:59:06,081 --> 00:59:09,731

It was originally set in:

the first versions of the story.

:

00:59:12,078 --> 00:59:15,048

But I feel like that changes

things a lot and I think it's

:

00:59:15,048 --> 00:59:17,058

more interesting without the wife.

:

00:59:17,518 --> 00:59:18,388

Actually.

:

00:59:18,983 --> 00:59:23,363

Xhafer: I think it's easier for

him to be a replicant he's alone.

:

00:59:24,122 --> 00:59:24,832

Laura: Oh, that's true.

:

00:59:25,112 --> 00:59:29,212

It'd be funny if if the wife had

bought a replicant husband and

:

00:59:29,212 --> 00:59:30,702

then not found it satisfying.

:

00:59:32,717 --> 00:59:34,207

Xhafer: That's why she's depressed.

:

00:59:34,512 --> 00:59:37,562

Laura: That's why she's depressed and

he feels pressured to get her a real

:

00:59:37,562 --> 00:59:41,372

animal because he doesn't realize

it, but he's the disappointment, you

:

00:59:41,387 --> 00:59:41,787

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:59:42,597 --> 00:59:44,467

So, speaking on that,

:

00:59:45,249 --> 00:59:45,339

Laura: Uh

:

00:59:45,344 --> 00:59:49,252

Xhafer: uh, Spoilers for a

movie that came out in theaters

:

00:59:49,322 --> 00:59:51,462

last weekend as of recording.

:

00:59:52,082 --> 00:59:56,062

I think it'll be like two or three

weeks when this episode airs.

:

00:59:56,652 --> 00:59:58,572

Um, it's only two weeks.

:

00:59:58,592 --> 01:00:01,722

Um, I just watched Companion with Beth.

:

01:00:03,007 --> 01:00:03,897

Laura: Oh, okay.

:

01:00:04,002 --> 01:00:08,142

Xhafer: Which, if you watch the trailers

for, not all of them spoil this twist.

:

01:00:08,442 --> 01:00:13,532

But it is revealed very early on that,

like, this is a future society where

:

01:00:13,932 --> 01:00:20,262

there are robots that are Exactly

that, they're like companion robots,

:

01:00:20,702 --> 01:00:22,392

they're emotional support robots,

:

01:00:23,551 --> 01:00:25,011

they're sex dolls,

:

01:00:25,921 --> 01:00:29,221

Laura: Yeah, also that, I

mean, that's a thing that we're

:

01:00:29,221 --> 01:00:30,831

definitely going to do, right?

:

01:00:31,121 --> 01:00:32,381

Have already done,

:

01:00:32,661 --> 01:00:36,541

Xhafer: as a society, yeah, robot

sex dolls, yeah, that's on its way.

:

01:00:37,161 --> 01:00:41,421

Um, man, iTunes, I, pfft,

:

01:00:41,491 --> 01:00:45,001

Laura: there, there are chatbots

that people are out there, like,

:

01:00:45,531 --> 01:00:49,001

Xhafer: oh yeah, no, there's

ads for like AI girlfriends all

:

01:00:49,121 --> 01:00:52,971

Laura: like, acknowledging like

I would rather have AI girlfriend

:

01:00:53,001 --> 01:00:56,791

than go through the effort of

trying to make a real human friend.

:

01:00:57,756 --> 01:01:03,426

Xhafer: I maybe I'm just old, maybe

this is, maybe this is the sign, um, but

:

01:01:03,876 --> 01:01:04,816

I don't get it.

:

01:01:05,376 --> 01:01:11,086

Like, I mean, I, I, the need for

companionship is strong, that's a very

:

01:01:11,096 --> 01:01:17,596

human thing, and I encourage everyone who

feels the need for companionship to seek

:

01:01:17,596 --> 01:01:23,256

it out, and if that's with people or with

animals or with AI, I guess, whatever.

:

01:01:23,826 --> 01:01:29,146

Um, maybe I just know too much about

how that technology works to be

:

01:01:29,276 --> 01:01:32,386

ever be able to truly humanize it.

:

01:01:33,486 --> 01:01:35,836

Um, I can't Pac Bond with a Roomba.

:

01:01:37,286 --> 01:01:39,886

Actually, I could probably Pac Bond

better with a Roomba than an AI.

:

01:01:41,196 --> 01:01:45,226

Um, but It's just like,

I don't know, not for me.

:

01:01:45,526 --> 01:01:45,806

I'm not

:

01:01:45,886 --> 01:01:55,841

Laura: it's, no, no, no, but I don't

know that an AI can, help you achieve

:

01:01:55,841 --> 01:02:00,331

the same self improvement that you get

by relationships with other people?

:

01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:04,441

I mean, not all people are going

to improve us in some way, right?

:

01:02:04,471 --> 01:02:07,101

But the practice is good.

:

01:02:07,101 --> 01:02:09,271

Yeah,

:

01:02:09,662 --> 01:02:10,192

Xhafer: talk.

:

01:02:10,372 --> 01:02:13,452

Like, real, real heavy talk, I guess.

:

01:02:13,902 --> 01:02:18,102

Sometimes the things that make us

grow are the things that hurt us.

:

01:02:18,755 --> 01:02:19,235

You know?

:

01:02:19,865 --> 01:02:25,495

And that can be a bad breakup, that

can be the death of a loved one, that

:

01:02:25,495 --> 01:02:28,225

can be losing a friend in your life.

:

01:02:28,767 --> 01:02:35,617

Those cause moments of introspection

that lead to personal growth sometimes.

:

01:02:36,347 --> 01:02:42,867

Um, I hope that, you know, those

are never good experiences, but

:

01:02:42,997 --> 01:02:44,757

there is a silver lining there.

:

01:02:45,177 --> 01:02:49,247

That it does change who you are and

hopefully it changes you for the better.

:

01:02:50,247 --> 01:02:53,587

Laura: I would, I would amend your

statement and say that they're

:

01:02:53,587 --> 01:02:55,457

not comfortable experiences.

:

01:02:55,817 --> 01:02:56,367

Xhafer: That's fair.

:

01:02:56,987 --> 01:02:57,287

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,360

Xhafer: but that's not something

you'll ever get with A chatbot,

:

01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:04,290

because the chatbot will always be

there waiting to respond to you.

:

01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,530

Because the chatbot is a

product that you are being sold.

:

01:03:08,105 --> 01:03:08,335

Laura: Yep.

:

01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:11,740

Xhafer: And that company is

invested in making sure that

:

01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:12,880

you keep coming back to it.

:

01:03:13,677 --> 01:03:14,117

So.

:

01:03:15,047 --> 01:03:19,637

If anything capitalism ruins chatbots

from being meaningful companions.

:

01:03:20,622 --> 01:03:22,132

Laura: It was capitalism again.

:

01:03:23,062 --> 01:03:25,102

Xhafer: capitalism all along

:

01:03:25,612 --> 01:03:27,492

Laura: The main villain of our podcast.

:

01:03:28,832 --> 01:03:32,722

Xhafer: the main villain of all podcasts,

let's be real, I mean, except Joe Rogan

:

01:03:33,082 --> 01:03:33,412

Laura: right.

:

01:03:34,082 --> 01:03:38,442

Xhafer: and I think that's, that, that's

the difference for me, um, is that

:

01:03:38,858 --> 01:03:47,423

there is an inherent risk that I think

makes a relationship more meaningful.

:

01:03:48,303 --> 01:03:54,783

Um, the fact that it is not one sided, the

fact that things can go poorly, the fact

:

01:03:54,813 --> 01:03:59,743

that, you know, someone can leave you,

the fact that someone will change that

:

01:03:59,753 --> 01:04:03,303

people will not always be the compatible

people that they were when they met.

:

01:04:04,263 --> 01:04:08,803

Um, and that makes it work.

:

01:04:09,083 --> 01:04:11,473

And making it work.

:

01:04:11,913 --> 01:04:16,783

You know, making it difficult to maintain

relationships over time is one of the

:

01:04:16,783 --> 01:04:18,986

things that makes them meaningful.

:

01:04:19,346 --> 01:04:19,737

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:04:19,852 --> 01:04:22,812

Xhafer: Well, this wasn't the conversation

I was expecting to have about this movie.

:

01:04:23,357 --> 01:04:26,177

Laura: Crap.

:

01:04:26,232 --> 01:04:27,102

Xhafer: and fart jokes!

:

01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:31,120

Yeah,

:

01:04:31,184 --> 01:04:32,324

Laura: sex dolls, I guess.

:

01:04:32,364 --> 01:04:32,444

I

:

01:04:32,444 --> 01:04:32,604

don't

:

01:04:32,604 --> 01:04:32,784

know.

:

01:04:32,784 --> 01:04:37,104

It got, no, that's, no, that's

where, that's how this got weird.

:

01:04:37,254 --> 01:04:37,504

Oh

:

01:04:37,504 --> 01:04:38,024

no.

:

01:04:38,734 --> 01:04:40,404

Oh, well, I guess we should wrap it.

:

01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:48,600

Xhafer: Um, yeah, I don't know, like if

Deckard were a sex doll that his wife got,

:

01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:50,920

that'd be an interesting twist as well,

:

01:04:51,324 --> 01:04:51,944

Laura: Yeah,

:

01:04:52,114 --> 01:04:52,694

right?

:

01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,870

So, we don't rate movies, right?

:

01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:57,550

But I had a good time with this movie.

:

01:04:57,550 --> 01:04:59,150

It is very thoughtful.

:

01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,920

And the world is really neat.

:

01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:07,375

Xhafer: I enjoyed this movie

significantly less this time

:

01:05:07,535 --> 01:05:09,685

than I have any previous viewing.

:

01:05:10,059 --> 01:05:13,769

And I don't know if it's

because the world has changed.

:

01:05:13,819 --> 01:05:15,839

I don't know if it's

because I have changed.

:

01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:17,749

Um, probably both.

:

01:05:18,705 --> 01:05:23,735

but I did, um, and this is something

I've talked about a couple of times

:

01:05:23,745 --> 01:05:28,475

since we started podcasting and

you don't just watch a TV show.

:

01:05:28,475 --> 01:05:29,485

You watch TV

:

01:05:29,555 --> 01:05:29,935

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:05:29,935 --> 01:05:30,716

Yes.

:

01:05:30,716 --> 01:05:32,278

Hard to

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01:05:32,355 --> 01:05:32,615

Xhafer: that's a

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01:05:33,059 --> 01:05:33,840

Laura: Yep.

:

01:05:34,005 --> 01:05:34,745

Xhafer: experience

:

01:05:35,403 --> 01:05:36,184

Laura: Mm

:

01:05:36,635 --> 01:05:43,035

Xhafer: me to be a lot more critical

about everything that is going on

:

01:05:43,305 --> 01:05:46,885

and it's, it's interesting dichotomy

too because so often when I'm like.

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01:05:47,265 --> 01:05:49,235

Just watching a show to watch a show.

:

01:05:49,505 --> 01:05:52,715

I'm also, like, playing on my

phone or doing something else.

:

01:05:53,835 --> 01:05:58,778

And to give something complete

undivided attention, that

:

01:05:58,778 --> 01:06:03,955

demands undivided attention in

the way that taking notes does.

:

01:06:03,955 --> 01:06:11,080

Um, I Not saying that, like, I don't enjoy

doing it, because if I didn't enjoy doing

:

01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,900

it, this podcast still wouldn't exist.

:

01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:13,460

Like, at

:

01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:14,210

Laura: we would have,

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01:06:14,340 --> 01:06:15,010

Xhafer: exist with me.

:

01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:16,230

Yeah.

:

01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:16,690

for sure.

:

01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:21,250

Um, but it's a very different

experience and that also colors

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01:06:21,279 --> 01:06:23,320

my perception of the film.

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01:06:23,790 --> 01:06:27,230

In a way that made me really

appreciate the world building.

:

01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,850

A lot more than I have

on previous viewings.

:

01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,170

So even though I didn't like the film

as much as previous viewings, I did

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01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:38,870

like, I want to go watch Blade Runner

:

:

01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:41,480

I was interested in two weeks ago,

:

01:06:41,850 --> 01:06:43,090

Laura: I've heard it's long.

:

01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,650

I think When did that movie come out?

:

01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,800

Xhafer: like five, six years ago.

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01:06:49,284 --> 01:06:49,924

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:06:50,468 --> 01:06:53,408

I think for some reason that's one

of those that Aaron went by himself

:

01:06:53,408 --> 01:06:57,148

to see, because like, I didn't have

a, like, a long enough block of time

:

01:06:57,178 --> 01:06:59,318

for whatever reason to go with him.

:

01:06:59,848 --> 01:07:00,608

Isn't that wild?

:

01:07:00,872 --> 01:07:04,027

Yeah,

:

01:07:04,137 --> 01:07:04,767

Xhafer: been too young.

:

01:07:06,207 --> 01:07:07,367

Laura: it must be something like that.

:

01:07:07,437 --> 01:07:08,941

But,

:

01:07:09,163 --> 01:07:09,524

I don't know.

:

01:07:09,584 --> 01:07:10,244

I'm interested.

:

01:07:10,294 --> 01:07:12,204

I'm sure I can find it

streaming somewhere now.

:

01:07:12,344 --> 01:07:16,694

And that comes with the ability to pause

and do something else if I need to.

:

01:07:17,189 --> 01:07:23,219

Xhafer: Yeah I definitely had to, like,

get up and walk away from this during the

:

01:07:23,219 --> 01:07:26,242

uh, very uncomfortable Harrison Ford scene

:

01:07:26,952 --> 01:07:27,732

with Rachel.

:

01:07:28,232 --> 01:07:33,692

Um, which is also a thing, too, that

sometimes, like, because you're forced

:

01:07:33,692 --> 01:07:37,492

to pay attention to it when something

like that happens and you're made super

:

01:07:37,592 --> 01:07:42,162

uncomfortable and you're still, you're

trying to find ways to either talk

:

01:07:42,172 --> 01:07:46,862

about it or Not necessarily make light

of it, but acknowledge that we are,

:

01:07:47,032 --> 01:07:50,547

at our heart, a crude humor podcast.

:

01:07:51,337 --> 01:07:51,857

Laura: yeah.

:

01:07:52,497 --> 01:07:56,077

Sometimes we just want to make jokey jokes

about a thing and not take it too serious.

:

01:07:56,077 --> 01:07:57,096

But that, yeah,

:

01:07:57,207 --> 01:07:58,277

Xhafer: Yeah, and there's, there's

:

01:07:58,277 --> 01:08:00,247

things that obviously we we, can't make.

:

01:08:00,971 --> 01:08:03,422

Jokes about, or we

shouldn't make jokes about,

:

01:08:04,002 --> 01:08:07,852

um, which makes it difficult to come back.

:

01:08:07,862 --> 01:08:11,402

And it's not about being funny

in that moment, it's about

:

01:08:11,412 --> 01:08:13,122

being funny ten minutes later.

:

01:08:13,502 --> 01:08:16,782

And it's really hard to be

funny ten minutes after that.

:

01:08:17,062 --> 01:08:20,182

And so I know that's a thing where

I just have to fucking get up

:

01:08:20,182 --> 01:08:22,131

and walk away for a couple hours.

:

01:08:22,297 --> 01:08:24,227

Laura: Discharge something, yeah.

:

01:08:25,292 --> 01:08:27,922

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

01:08:28,131 --> 01:08:32,482

Laura: watch in the evening when Owen was

still up and he started the movie with

:

01:08:32,482 --> 01:08:35,902

us and was pretty quickly bored and left.

:

01:08:38,692 --> 01:08:40,612

It's not for 10 year

olds, that's for sure.

:

01:08:40,612 --> 01:08:41,562

It's not the right

:

01:08:41,562 --> 01:08:42,332

pacing,

:

01:08:42,796 --> 01:08:44,645

Xhafer: there's a

surprising amount of nudity.

:

01:08:45,276 --> 01:08:49,296

Laura: Yeah, no, the pacing was enough to

get him gone before anything questionable

:

01:08:49,306 --> 01:08:51,696

happened, so thanks a lot, Ridley Scott.

:

01:08:51,926 --> 01:08:53,236

Licking out for me.

:

01:08:53,286 --> 01:08:55,576

Xhafer: all that violence

didn't need any of that.

:

01:08:55,935 --> 01:08:56,286

Laura: Yeah.

:

01:08:56,875 --> 01:09:01,375

Xhafer: Alright, well,

that's that, I suppose.

:

01:09:01,694 --> 01:09:03,385

Did you have anything else you

wanted to throw out there about

:

01:09:03,385 --> 01:09:04,595

the movie before we move on?

:

01:09:05,055 --> 01:09:08,255

Laura: Nope, I just want everybody

to go listen to some Vangelis

:

01:09:08,255 --> 01:09:09,604

and chill out for a while.

:

01:09:09,815 --> 01:09:10,345

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:09:10,444 --> 01:09:11,225

Laura: It's real good.

:

01:09:11,683 --> 01:09:13,973

Xhafer: Take a jazz gummy

listen to some Vangelis

:

01:09:14,518 --> 01:09:16,818

Laura: Actually that sounds

like a goddamn delight.

:

01:09:16,818 --> 01:09:19,298

That's Hmm.

:

01:09:19,747 --> 01:09:20,228

Yeah.

:

01:09:20,528 --> 01:09:22,438

Oh, he, he is deceased.

:

01:09:22,438 --> 01:09:25,818

He, he passed away in:

there won't be anything new out,

:

01:09:25,818 --> 01:09:27,667

but there are so many albums.

:

01:09:27,678 --> 01:09:29,598

He has just so many albums.

:

01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:33,050

Xhafer: You should you should go

check it out listener Just like

:

01:09:33,059 --> 01:09:35,779

you should check us out next week.

:

01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:37,380

We're back to Babylon.

:

01:09:37,790 --> 01:09:38,630

No fuck

:

01:09:41,524 --> 01:09:42,375

Laura: Back to what now, Ja'far?

:

01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:45,359

Xhafer: Back to Battlestar Galactica habit

:

01:09:45,807 --> 01:09:51,852

we're watching Season 1,

Episode 8, Flesh and Bone.

:

01:09:53,142 --> 01:09:57,132

Glorianne from Cool Girls Don't

Look at Explosions is joining us.

:

01:09:57,381 --> 01:09:58,391

Laura: Oh, yay!

:

01:09:58,911 --> 01:10:00,011

I'm so excited.

:

01:10:00,091 --> 01:10:01,171

I'm even more excited.

:

01:10:01,582 --> 01:10:05,053

Xhafer: And uh, yeah, we're gonna

say the uh, the little synopsis.

:

01:10:05,193 --> 01:10:07,143

Are the Cylons man or machine?

:

01:10:07,303 --> 01:10:11,633

Carithrace discovers the limits to

her own humanity when she's ordered

:

01:10:11,643 --> 01:10:16,103

to torture a Cylon who claims

he's put a bomb aboard Galactica.

:

01:10:16,889 --> 01:10:18,859

Laura: dun dun.

:

01:10:19,139 --> 01:10:22,239

Xhafer: really strong Laura Roslin

episode, which is why I asked Glow on.

:

01:10:22,889 --> 01:10:26,799

Laura: I'm just glad that flesh and bone

didn't mean we were going to have more of

:

01:10:26,799 --> 01:10:31,449

Baltar and Six, like, centric weirdness.

:

01:10:31,649 --> 01:10:32,849

It sounds like not.

:

01:10:33,254 --> 01:10:34,324

Xhafer: Yeah!

:

01:10:36,529 --> 01:10:39,099

Laura: I mean, I could just have

shot myself in the foot and it's

:

01:10:39,099 --> 01:10:43,269

actually, like, much more Baltar

and Six than I had anticipated,

:

01:10:43,269 --> 01:10:45,829

but that sounds like not as much,

:

01:10:45,854 --> 01:10:47,794

Xhafer: I haven't, I haven't

seen this episode in a long

:

01:10:47,794 --> 01:10:49,074

time, so I don't remember.

:

01:10:49,434 --> 01:10:55,554

But, we will remember when it's in

our recent memory after we watch it,

:

01:10:56,114 --> 01:10:57,724

before we record the next episode.

:

01:10:57,734 --> 01:11:00,354

Because that's, that's how time works.

:

01:11:00,809 --> 01:11:02,859

Laura: That's, that's literally

the thing we do, yeah.

:

01:11:02,889 --> 01:11:05,659

Xhafer: God, I was choping so

hard for a segue in there, but I

:

01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:09,068

didn't find one, so instead I'm

just gonna say thank you, Jeremy.

:

01:11:09,759 --> 01:11:14,689

Jeremy Siegel, the only Jeremy Siegel

42 on Bandcamp that makes music.

:

01:11:15,149 --> 01:11:17,769

So much for a theme song, we

appreciate the hell out of it.

:

01:11:17,769 --> 01:11:21,479

You can find Jeremy's work at the

aforementioned Bandcamp site and on

:

01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,149

streaming services as Nuclear Jaguar.

:

01:11:24,701 --> 01:11:27,041

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

:

01:11:27,051 --> 01:11:28,591

for our podcast artwork.

:

01:11:28,591 --> 01:11:33,661

Hehehe.

:

01:11:34,461 --> 01:11:35,761

Xhafer: Appreciate the hell out of you.

:

01:11:35,771 --> 01:11:37,491

Thanks for editing this podcast.

:

01:11:37,925 --> 01:11:38,684

Laura: Hey, listener.

:

01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:43,085

Thank you for being here, and I

just want to say, I'm proud of you.

:

01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:48,210

We had a lot of listeners in the discord

today talking about tough weeks that have

:

01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:51,320

been had like this week or previous weeks.

:

01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,620

And I'm just really happy that

we all made it through those

:

01:11:54,620 --> 01:11:56,059

weeks and we're here together.

:

01:11:56,130 --> 01:11:59,580

And I'm sorry that I

make PhD sadness jokes.

:

01:11:59,980 --> 01:12:03,780

But it's one of those things you,

you make the jokes to get through it.

:

01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:04,140

Right.

:

01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,650

And uh, I really appreciate that.

:

01:12:06,965 --> 01:12:11,865

Everybody in the Discord who was

like, empathizing with each other and

:

01:12:11,895 --> 01:12:13,425

getting each other through this week.

:

01:12:13,485 --> 01:12:13,885

So,

:

01:12:14,215 --> 01:12:14,615

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

01:12:14,615 --> 01:12:14,855

Hey,

:

01:12:14,855 --> 01:12:15,985

Discord community.

:

01:12:15,995 --> 01:12:17,275

I appreciate the hell out of you.

:

01:12:17,755 --> 01:12:22,684

We've seen a jump in numbers over

there the last couple of weeks, and

:

01:12:22,684 --> 01:12:26,775

it's been great to have a bunch of

new people hanging out, joining the

:

01:12:26,775 --> 01:12:28,415

conversation over in the Discord.

:

01:12:29,145 --> 01:12:32,934

Which you should do, you can find the

link, you found the, you found us!

:

01:12:33,184 --> 01:12:36,255

If you've made it to this far in the

episode, you've clearly found us, so

:

01:12:36,255 --> 01:12:37,765

you can find the link to the Discord.

:

01:12:38,205 --> 01:12:42,325

Probably wherever you're listening

to this, I, I fuckin hope so.

:

01:12:42,475 --> 01:12:45,355

But if you can't, whoareyoub5atgmail.

:

01:12:45,385 --> 01:12:45,885

com

:

01:12:46,928 --> 01:12:47,128

Laura: We're

:

01:12:47,128 --> 01:12:48,198

still on that email.

:

01:12:48,228 --> 01:12:48,928

We'll get ya.

:

01:12:49,168 --> 01:12:53,338

Xhafer: we still have the Facebooks,

um, the Twitter is officially

:

01:12:53,338 --> 01:12:55,093

a Abandoned at this point.

:

01:12:55,583 --> 01:13:01,013

I log in every couple of weeks Maybe

just to see if anyone like messaged me

:

01:13:01,013 --> 01:13:06,093

that hadn't made it over to blue sky

yet but the blue sky is popping Um,

:

01:13:06,103 --> 01:13:11,043

thanks to glow From cool girls who's

been doing a lot more of the engagement

:

01:13:11,043 --> 01:13:16,803

and stuff on there instead of my Three

posts a week about new episode drops that

:

01:13:16,803 --> 01:13:21,202

are typically what it was so it's been

great to see that popping off as well.

:

01:13:21,788 --> 01:13:22,158

Laura: And

:

01:13:22,208 --> 01:13:25,358

we would love to Facebook

if you're not a bot.

:

01:13:25,378 --> 01:13:27,618

We've had a bot in our DMs lately.

:

01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:30,893

Xhafer: Oh yeah, I was wondering

if you saw me talking to that bot.

:

01:13:31,128 --> 01:13:33,268

Laura: Oh, I didn't see that

you were talking to the bot.

:

01:13:33,327 --> 01:13:36,518

I just was like, okay, obviously a bot.

:

01:13:36,548 --> 01:13:37,827

You know what my next thought was?

:

01:13:38,178 --> 01:13:39,768

I'll let Ja'far handle this.

:

01:13:40,103 --> 01:13:43,883

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, that's typically

my job as I handle the Facebook messages.

:

01:13:44,543 --> 01:13:47,243

But if you should go read it,

it's fun because I'm all like,

:

01:13:47,423 --> 01:13:49,702

wow, that seems impossible.

:

01:13:49,853 --> 01:13:51,923

How could you accomplish this?

:

01:13:54,438 --> 01:13:56,258

Laura: Well, that'll be fun for me later.

:

01:13:56,403 --> 01:13:58,083

Xhafer: Yeah, a little treat.

:

01:13:58,339 --> 01:14:00,079

All right, we'll see

you next week, Internet.

:

01:14:00,257 --> 01:14:00,657

Laura: All right.

:

01:14:00,687 --> 01:14:01,467

Bye.

:

01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:01,742

Xhafer: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.