Episode 161

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Published on:

19th Feb 2025

BSG S1E8 - Surprisingly Religious (Featuring Glo from Cool Girls Don't Look at Explosions)

Glo from Cool Girls Don't Look at Explosions joins Laura and Xhafer to discuss the quiet badassery of the schoolteacher. Laura questions the purpose of having a podcast if you don't use it to swear. Xhafer just wants to know about the food situation. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 8: Flesh and Bone.

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Xhafer:

Welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done podcast

hosted by two friends who got to know each

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other watching Babylon 5, but now we're

watching:

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I'm Jafar,

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Laura: And I'm

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Laura.

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Xhafer: And, today, we're

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joined

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by our friend,

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Glo: and Glow.

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Xhafer: hey,

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Glo: Hi!

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Laura: Glow, tell us, who are you?

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Glo: So,

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I am, well, I'm Ben's wife, Ja'far

and Laura's friend, and also a co

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host on Cool Girls Don't Look at

Explosions with Laura and Beth.

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Laura: Yeah,

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so exciting.

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Glo: but I'm also a high school English

teacher and drama teacher, so I'm

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on here to talk a little bit about

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Laura Roslin.

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Laura: Oh, yay.

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So that leads me into my

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question I wanted to ask

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you.

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Is why this episode?

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why

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Flesh and Bone?

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This is

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Battlestar Galactica's

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Xhafer: Oh, she didn't

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pick this episode.

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Glo: I didn't.

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Xhafer: I picked this episode.

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Laura: Oh,

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okay.

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Xhafer: And I literally, I picked

this episode by googling, what's the

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best Rosalind episode in season one?

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And this was the result that

came up when I hit that result,

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and that's why Glow's here.

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So,

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Glo: Cause it's definitely

more of a Starbuck episode, I

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think, but I can offer a little bit of

insight into the badassery at the end.

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Well, I don't want to get too far

ahead of ourselves, but this, I could

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understand why someone would say

that this is a good Laura Rosalind

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episode because of what happens at the

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end.

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Laura: Yeah, I mean, maybe

more screen time is taken up by

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Starbuck, right?

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But I think that Laura Roslin

has a lot more going on.

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Then Starbuck in many ways, like

Starbuck is just kind of fumbling

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around at being an interrogator

and doing a questionable job, I

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: How is she doing everything?

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Oh, we need a sniper, get Starbuck.

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Oh, we need an interrogator, get Starbuck.

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Oh, we need a pilot

instructor, get Starbuck.

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Laura: That last one at least is like

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plausible

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Glo: Right.

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Laura: since she is like hotshot pilot,

although I, I question whether hotshot

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pilots are often the best teachers, but

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Xhafer: I mean, they at least establish

in the first episode that, like,

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she was doing this professionally.

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Laura: that's true.

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Yeah.

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This is a job she has had

before, so that makes sense.

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Sniper, maybe we can get there.

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I don't know why Starbuck is doing this

interrogation and not, like, Colonel Tye,

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maybe?

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Glo: hmm.

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Xhafer: That could make sense.

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I mean, I would believe,

like, Tyrell over Starbuck.

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Laura: I was gonna suggest

maybe we send Tye and Gaeta

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in there as good cop, bad cop.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Oh.

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Laura: Yeah?

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Laura: But we're just having

Starbuck try to do both, so.

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I don't know,

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man.

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Xhafer: All

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Laura: interesting.

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Well, okay,

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Xhafer: Well, sorry to ruin

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your question I mean,

you've seen the show before,

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Glow.

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: Laura has not, if you

haven't been listening to the

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podcast.

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Glo: Oh, absolutely.

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I have listened to every

episode and made memes on all

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of

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them,

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At

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least

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Laura: I was gonna

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Xhafer: yes, yes, you, you

have taken over our social

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media duties.

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Thank you.

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Glo: follow us on blue sky

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guys,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I do appreciate all of

the work you're putting in there that

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I absolutely refused to for years.

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So.

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Glo: and it's fun.

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It's fun for me So guys if you know

if you're if anybody who's listening

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is on blue sky, please interact

with the posts I watch them, you

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know, I get like four hearts on

something and I'm like, oh my god.

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It's amazing.

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Laura: I think it's hard to,

like, make the memes when you've

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also made the content sometimes.

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Like, it's, you don't

see the meme able moment.

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But Glow is, like,

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capturing all the best.

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Xhafer: a great job.

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Glo: guys

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Yeah,

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Laura: it.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well, I guess we can just

roll in to this episode.

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We open on Rosalyn in the forest.

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She's having a dream.

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That's pretty clear.

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As a Lioban tells her to run.

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He saves her from human soldiers.

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And then she gets pulled away

and he gets kinda pulled away.

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Laura: Yeah.

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he gets, like, sucked

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away.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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In very bad CGI, but maybe that's just,

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Laura: It's the, it's the times, surely.

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Yeah.

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You identify these as

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human soldiers.

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I wasn't sure they were human

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soldiers.

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Xhafer: fair.

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They could be humanoid

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Cylons, but any Cylon soldiers

we've seen are like Robits, not

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humanoids in tack gear and stuff.

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So, it is an assumption on my end.

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But it did feel like he was trying

to save her from human soldiers.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Which plays into what he

says at the end of the episode.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: But yeah she wakes up

in a cold sweat and she's just

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in the bathroom for forever.

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And , Colonial One is a small ship.

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So Billy has to go and check in on her.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is the Kamala extract sweats, right?

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I think she says it's the Kamala.

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So somewhere between the episode where Dot

Cottle is making fun of her for wanting

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alternative medicine And also saying,

where the hell are we going to get that?

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They must have found it on these ships of

40, 000 people because she's taking it.

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Xhafer: she's taking it.

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now.

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Yeah,

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I don't know.

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I don't think you get to bitch about the

hell on your body of holistic treatments.

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Given the alternative.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I don't, I don't know.

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Glo: it sure looked like

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chemotherapy.

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Let's just be real.

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Xhafer: It, yeah, It,

it does and it's treated

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like

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: Um, which makes me wonder what,

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what Doc Cottle wanted to do.

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That was even more aggressive, apparently?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because she's like, I saw

what that stuff did to my mom.

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I don't want to do it.

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I don't know.

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And this just, this hits different

in the world that we're in now.

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I don't know if.

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Ronald D.

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Moore would have written this the same

way when we have like literal influencers

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who tell people not to treat their

cancer with scientific methods and to

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drink apple cider vinegar or whatever.

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I was just reading a, an article about

a couple of Australian influencers,

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one of whom was a fraud and the

other of whom actually died of her

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cancer because she wouldn't treat it.

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And it's like, I don't know if I would.

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Right, this is like, oh, yeah, there's

some alternative natural medicine

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: in the year of Our Lord 2025.

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Xhafer: Ugh.

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This, yeah, this was super

uncomfortable, to be perfectly honest.

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very, for very personal reasons.

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And uh, yeah, I know you do.

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I and this, if you don't want to

talk about this, we don't have to

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have

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this on pod.

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Glo: Oh, no, I'm I'm an

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open

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book.

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Xhafer: yeah, I was

really thinking of you.

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Watching this episode in a lot of

ways, and I felt personally really

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terrible about this episode after I

started watching it in relation to

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that, knowing the struggle that you

went through with watching your dad

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go through chemotherapy for years

and, and his struggles with cancer,

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And

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it was just like, Oh God,

what did I do to glow?

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I felt really, really

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bad.

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Glo: I, you know, I do want

to say, you know, the actress

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here really acted her ass off.

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I mean, you know, she did a really

good job with it, and, you know, all

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I'll say, you know, my dad passed

from melanoma a couple of years ago,

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and go get anything checked out guys,

you know, it, before, before it takes

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over, cause you don't know, but.

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Thanks for being sensitive.

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You know, it's, I, I literally

have no issue talking about it.

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I, I

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think that it's important to talk about

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those

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things, so.

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Xhafer: No, I, I mean, I, I, I

understand and agree, you know, my

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dad passed a couple of years before

yours and also was struggling with

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cancer in addition to a number of other

things and the other stuff was worse.

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So that got a lot more airtime in terms

of what I was speaking about, but, you

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know, he did have liver cancer there

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for six or seven

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Glo: Holy

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Xhafer: that was, that was a whole

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thing

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too.

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So.

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Glo: Fuck

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cancer.

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Xhafer: Fuck cancer.

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anyways uh, they get a call.

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They found a Cylon over

on the Geminon Traveler.

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Laura calls Galactica, who should

really get one of those little speakers

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from an office set up in CIC, because

everyone's got these big old headsets

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that they're trying to hold on to.

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Just get a speakerphone, guys.

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It doesn't count as a

networked computer, I promise.

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Uh, Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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And Adama has the ship pull

out from the fleet just in case

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they have fighters on guard.

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And Adama's all like, well, let's just

go fucking exterminate this thing, right?

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Rosalyn insists on him being interrogated.

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And Adama's like, look,

it's only gonna lie to us.

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And even if it doesn't just

lie to us, anything it does say

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is not in our best interest.

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Laura: Yeah, and this is all so

complicated because if you look at

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Adama's wanting to immediately execute

it in light of what it says at the

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end of the episode, of course he does.

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Of course he wants that, but also

all Cylons seem to be acting in

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their own interest, so he's also.

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Not wrong, and it's just like

Catch 22 is all over the place.

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Glo: Mm

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hmm.

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Xhafer: Yes,

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it's,

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uh, it's a lot.

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Laura: and how did Laura get

that dream in the first place?

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so is Leo been doing a

little 6PT action on her?

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Trying to get her to want to talk to him?

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Like,

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Huh,

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Glo: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Huh,

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Glo: yeah,

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Xhafer: sure is a real

Cylon y dream she had,

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huh?

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Laura: It is,

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Xhafer: Especially for

someone who never met Leoben.

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Laura: Uh huh.

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Yeah.

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She's seen the dead one, right?

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Because she showed the pictures

at the press conference.

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And that's why she recognizes

him and is like, oh shit.

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But like, I feel like it's a little bit

too much cognitive leaping to have a

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dream of the alive person when you've

only seen their corpse, you know?

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Just like, in that grade of detail.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: it's, it's a bit of a leap.

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Uh, so, Adama's like, Okay, we'll

send someone to interrogate.

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So he decides to send Starbuck,

because we've paid our actors for every

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episode, so they need something to do.

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Laura: Sure, yeah, that's, there's no

logical reason for this to me, because

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we, Starbuck is like famous little hothead

and like not quite thinking it through

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and sometimes it pays off big, right?

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But, I don't know that it always does.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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He's like, go, go, go talk to

Lioban, but know that Lioban's gonna

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be a manipulative little bitch.

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Laura: Yeah, he orders her not to

let Leoben achieve his goal, whatever

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his goal is, which they don't know,

so how are you gonna, I don't know.

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Good luck, Starbuck.

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Xhafer: right,

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I don't know what the goal is,

but don't let it lie to you too

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much, and then please kill it.

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After theme here Boomer is

hanging out with the raider.

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And, at this point, Boomer knows, right?

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She thinks she knows.

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And she tells Tyrell.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Just outright, I'm a Cylon.

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Right?

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He's all like, oh, that's, don't say that.

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Do you think this is actually her attempt

to come out and try and save her friends?

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Cause she knows she blacks

out and, and bad shit happens.

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She knows she's finding

inconspicuous things.

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She suspects she's a Cylon.

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Laura: right.

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Glo: It sounds like she's, you

know, testing the waters, for

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sure.

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Laura: Yeah, like what what's gonna

happen to us if I say this and and

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he of course just like denies it

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and Don't know man Tyrell makes

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me sad

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Tyrell is I mean, from my original watch

through, I remember Tiro being one of

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my favorite characters in the show.

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and there's growth to happen.

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I

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won't

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say anything

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Laura: I

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Glo: is really, this

is really hard, Ja'far.

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. Like, um, yeah, like, knowing,

knowing the development of

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different characters and like,

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I'm gonna

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Laura: Not being able to talk

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Glo: I know, it's

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Xhafer: Not being able to talk about

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a ton.

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Yeah.

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It's

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Glo: This is not like Airwolf.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: dance we do on this podcast.

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And,

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Laura: I will say this, that after

this episode, this was the hardest

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I found it not to go to Google.

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Like, I've been pretty I'm fine with

that most of the time, but for some

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reason after this one I was like,

God, I really want to Google some

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stuff, but I can't and I won't.

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Xhafer: Have you watched

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the next one yet?

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Because we're recording these

in pretty rapid succession.

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I would think next episode

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Laura: No, it hit me here.

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It hit me here.

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Yeah.

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Is that weird?

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I don't know.

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Maybe it's something about Leoban.

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He's, he's pretty compelling in

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Xhafer: He is an interesting character.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But Tyrell, the thing that makes me so

sad about this man is like, he has been

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slapped in the face with the evidence.

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Like, all of the same evidence

that Boomer has, he has been

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slapped in the face with it.

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Boomer, obviously, like, programming

reasons or something, can't face it.

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Like, there is a bridge too far in that

brain and we cannot mechanically go there.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Tyrell is like, I guess, I mean

he's doing the same thing as a human

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being, but for some psychological reason

also won't face the same evidence.

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It's not necessarily a mechanical

reason, it's like I'm choosing

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not to and it makes me so sad.

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But people do this all the time.

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It's a thing that human beings

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do.

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We don't want to face

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stuff.

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Sigh.

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Xhafer: Uh, Over on the Geminon Traveler,

Starbuck is watching Leoben Sweat.

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Starbuck is all business to

start this interrogation,

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refusing to answer any questions.

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But he knows who she is.

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He says that he's hidden a

nuke in the fleet, and that

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they have a lot to talk about.

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Laura: it's gonna go off

at:

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He says he was just there to

commit sabotage left a nuke

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and then got discovered.

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And I think when he's sweating,

he's also praying to one god, as

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our Cylons keep doing.

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Xhafer: Yes, yes, Leoban

is big One God supporter.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Very, very monotheistic.

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Laura: Surprisingly religious.

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Xhafer: Well he fancies

himself a bit of a soothsayer.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: he says he has

knowledge of Starbuck's future.

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He's not willing to share it yet.

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We get that later in the episode.

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She has his lunch in front of him.

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Absolutely demoralizing.

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I don't know if this is the B5 in me,

but I hope that sandwich was corned beef.

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Hehehehe.

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Laura: yeah.

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Apparently this sandwich and,

like, salad is just absolutely

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terrible because she's being a

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total bitch about, oh, this food is awful.

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You want some?

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Xhafer: So we're a month out

from the attacks now, right?

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Laura: I think this one, 25.

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Yeah.

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Almost a

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month.

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Xhafer: So just about a month.

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I imagine Galactica has food

rations, and like MREs, and

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other ways of like storing food

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Laura: Oh, true.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: a lot of these ships

have to be running out of food.

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I imagine most ships in the colonial

fleet, given that there were not

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exploration vessels, none of these are

exploration vessels are probably like

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two weeks tops, like how much food fits

on a seven 47, you know, like exactly

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enough for the trip it's going on.

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So I would be, we don't get a

lot of that in this first season.

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I want to know more about the food.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Glo: yeah,

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because they obviously have,

like, lettuce that is fresh.

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So.

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There has to be some sort of

hydroponics going on somewhere.

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Laura: Yeah, we had that one ship that

I think was some sort of garden ship,

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but it got left behind, unfortunately.

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So,

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maybe there's another garden

ship out there, I hope.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it seems like that's going

to have to be a going concern,

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and I could see that waiting until

later, later season, surely season

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two, because we don't actually have

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that many episodes left

of season one, right?

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Right.

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Xhafer: shorter season.

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I think after this we have four

or five episodes and another

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three guest spots, by the way.

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We got three in

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Laura: cramming them in there,

448

:

just boom, boom, boom.

449

:

Xhafer: Yeah, but we'll talk about

that at the end of the episode.

450

:

yeah, Leoben knows that hunger

is the best spice while Starbuck

451

:

wonders why he needs to eat it all.

452

:

Laura: it does seem like a design

flaw, I think she calls it that.

453

:

Like, poor programming is

454

:

her words.

455

:

Xhafer: well, I mean, She's imagining

a purpose for him different than the

456

:

purpose that was imagined for him,

457

:

Laura: Yeah, it seems like you know,

if you build them without hunger you

458

:

can do battle bots, but if you build

them with hunger you can do more

459

:

things.

460

:

Perhaps, like intellectually.

461

:

Xhafer: I mean, I don't see a USB C port

on this guy anywhere, so he's gotta do

462

:

something to charge those batteries.

463

:

Laura: Yeah, point.

464

:

Xhafer: also just like, big picture

speaking, I have to imagine the

465

:

point of designing humanoid Cylons.

466

:

With all of the humanoid characteristics.

467

:

If you, I mean, if it was just

infiltration, that'd be one thing,

468

:

but that's clearly not the case.

469

:

Right.

470

:

They are designed to better know humanity.

471

:

That is their purpose

within the Ceylon OVWA.

472

:

Laura: Yeah, at least the experiments

that Six and Doral are running, for sure.

473

:

And so, okay, we have the four Cylons

that we know of right, right now.

474

:

We have Lioban, we have Six,

we have Doral, we have Sharon.

475

:

it seems like there's a, Kind of

a scale of religiosity among them.

476

:

I haven't really heard Sharon mention

much religious stuff, Doryl not so much

477

:

either, but Six and Lioban seem to be

a little more religious, quote unquote.

478

:

Seems to be more on their

479

:

mind.

480

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they're definitely

of the more spiritual side

481

:

compared to their other Cylon

counterparts that we've met so far.

482

:

At least that we know we've met so far.

483

:

Oooooh.

484

:

Okay, alright,

485

:

Laura: Well I think we, we've skipped

past also Starbuck did inform Adama

486

:

in all of this that he says there's

a nuke and so they're like, in the

487

:

background behind this, the Starbuck

488

:

drama, they're trying to do

radiological sweeps and stuff.

489

:

Xhafer: Yes, yeah, they're doing

radiological sweeps, they're

490

:

checking the fleet for things,

and there's other precautions

491

:

that will come into place soon.

492

:

Laura: Yeah, but she

starts beating him up.

493

:

Xhafer: oh yeah, the hitting begins.

494

:

Like, part of me is like, is this a

test to see if they experience pain

495

:

as a like, know your enemy thing?

496

:

Or is

497

:

Laura: think so at first, sure.

498

:

Xhafer: It's either that or it's

499

:

a completely archaic view on interrogation

that is so often found in media.

500

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

501

:

Yeah.

502

:

Xhafer: actually works when most people

are trying to do it in the modern era, um,

503

:

Laura: is how you get false

confessions real fast.

504

:

Xhafer: 100%.

505

:

Yeah, like, I'm not saying that this

stuff doesn't happen, it definitely

506

:

does, and it's definitely a war crime

but there's also a whole, like, Modern

507

:

interrogation method that is very,

very different from this that does not

508

:

involve anything along these lines.

509

:

If you want to learn more about

that, I suggest reading about the

510

:

guy who interrogated Saddam Hussein.

511

:

at the end of Gulf War II.

512

:

That is a really interesting There's

an interview that he did with, I

513

:

think it was CNN, but it might have

been a different news site, probably

514

:

like, six or seven years ago.

515

:

Um, where he talks about the interrogation

methods and like, reading Saddam Hussein's

516

:

books and using that as a way to like,

ingratiate himself to him and stuff.

517

:

Just like, it's very, very interesting.

518

:

Uh,

519

:

Laura: That's got to be a

weird read, especially with

520

:

your, your purpose in mind.

521

:

Xhafer: yeah, for sure.

522

:

Glo: I wanted to talk a little

bit about this interrogation.

523

:

Not even really being about Lioban,

but for the writers to Do some,

524

:

character building for Starbuck's

525

:

character.

526

:

Because we definitely see, I

don't know, a, unhinged side

527

:

of Kara come out.

528

:

and, you know, not getting too far

ahead, but we also are dropped, Hey,

529

:

she's gone through some trauma and

this is It's, you know, for, somehow,

530

:

Leoban knows about it, um, and he, he is

exploiting that character flaw in her.

531

:

Xhafer: 100%.

532

:

That's a good call out.

533

:

Laura: I kind of was reading the whole

thing as, Well, here at the beginning,

534

:

you know, she's just like trying

to figure out, do they feel pain?

535

:

Can I get him to, like, turn

off the pain software, like she

536

:

says.

537

:

and then, I feel like Starbuck is a

person who is not qualified for this

538

:

situation and has been thrown into it.

539

:

And that's where it gets,

like you said, unhinged.

540

:

Like,

541

:

You know, I've been ordered to do my

best and my best is actually not very

542

:

good here.

543

:

I'm just gonna

544

:

go off

545

:

the

546

:

rails.

547

:

Glo: and, you know, it's even

hinted at that, you know, she has

548

:

to kind of almost become her mother,

549

:

um, in this as well.

550

:

Sorry, English teacher diving

551

:

in

552

:

here,

553

:

but, you

554

:

Laura: No, I

555

:

need

556

:

Glo: yeah,

557

:

I, yeah, I think, you know, I think it's

really important for her character here.

558

:

to see that she's not just a jock.

559

:

There's a lot of pain under there.

560

:

And Leoban is, is, you know,

pushing all the buttons.

561

:

Maybe even allowing her to do this.

562

:

I know it's not like he has

really any choice, but he's

563

:

able to draw that out of her.

564

:

Laura: Yeah, like he, he knows he's just

here for character development, basically.

565

:

Glo: Yeah?

566

:

Laura: I do want to take a part of as

much of it as we can especially in some

567

:

of these wordier spots where Leoban

kind of has monologue time or something,

568

:

because I feel like when I'm watching

this show, trying to take notes, I stop

569

:

a lot, and I'm not really, it's a trees

versus forest thing, I'm getting a lot

570

:

of trees, I'm not seeing the forest.

571

:

So if you got insights to

give to me, I would love them.

572

:

Xhafer: I mean, part of that,

too, is, like, I don't know

573

:

what I can say sometimes.

574

:

Glo: Mm

575

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

576

:

yeah, yeah.

577

:

Yeah.

578

:

Well, we'll let Glo give us, like,

English teacher analysis today.

579

:

That's plenty.

580

:

That's fine.

581

:

Glo: What is the author's intent?

582

:

Laura: Exactly, exactly.

583

:

I was pretty annoyed at the

author's intent here, though, when

584

:

we moved back to 6PT and Baltar.

585

:

I really thought I was going to have a

no 6PT and Baltar episode and I really

586

:

wanted one.

587

:

And I, didn't get it.

588

:

Xhafer: I, uh, I actually wrote, We get

our network mandated Gaius in 6PT scene.

589

:

Laura: Ugh.

590

:

Xhafer: In my notes.

591

:

It really felt that

592

:

way.

593

:

Glo: complete with her, you know,

behind him massaging sensuously.

594

:

Xhafer: Mhm.

595

:

Laura: Ugh.

596

:

I'm just so tired of these two.

597

:

I'm so mad at Baltar.

598

:

Boomer comes to visit.

599

:

And wants to be in the first batch

tested with the Cylon detector.

600

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

601

:

Laura: And 6BT is like right over his

shoulder and is like, What's the rush?

602

:

So, I don't know what, I mean, obviously

she knows the truth about her, but Huh.

603

:

What does, what does Six

know about the Sherins?

604

:

She seems

605

:

pretty annoyed, I think, here.

606

:

Xhafer: I mean, we see a bit

of that on Caprica as well.

607

:

Laura: Yes.

608

:

Xhafer: Um, that generally speaking,

The 6s and the Sharons, Not besties.

609

:

Laura: No.

610

:

She's pretty annoyed.

611

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

612

:

They seem to be very different people, so.

613

:

Laura: yeah Baltar can't say no to

a pretty lady, and even though it's

614

:

not ready, he's gonna do a beta test

615

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

616

:

Yeah, this is the control group, right?

617

:

I'm sure that won't mess up

the results for everyone.

618

:

Laura: Yeah, it'll be fine.

619

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

620

:

we go back to Caprica, which is,

we're on Caprica Green this time.

621

:

As Sharon is late for a

meetup with Six and Doral.

622

:

Who are like, what a fucking

skinbag Sharon is, hanging out

623

:

with the Humeys all the times.

624

:

Laura: But isn't this the

assignment they gave her?

625

:

Xhafer: 100%!

626

:

Well, actually, I guess it maybe

gave her isn't quite correct.

627

:

It was maybe more It depends on the Cylon

structure which might lead into spoilers.

628

:

I'm not gonna say anything right now.

629

:

I'm gonna purposefully avoid this topic.

630

:

Laura: Well, it seems like,

631

:

Xhafer: They're definitely overseeing her

632

:

operation

633

:

Laura: yeah, they're here

to watch this happening.

634

:

And it seems like, it seemed in episodes

previous, like, we're all in on it.

635

:

You know, whether or not somebody ordered

somebody to do something, I don't know.

636

:

But, like, we all know

637

:

what's going on and we're

all trying to achieve this

638

:

thing.

639

:

And I, I think I caught from the scene

that Sharon is like they, they're

640

:

saying she's supposed to convince him to

641

:

stay and like live in this cabin.

642

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

643

:

Yeah.

644

:

So that

645

:

The next step

646

:

Laura: here.

647

:

Xhafer: is, now that you guys have

fucked, go live in this cabin.

648

:

And we'll leave you alone.

649

:

We've We've We've set up this place to be

nice and quiet and away from everything.

650

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

651

:

Or he's gonna get killed.

652

:

Like

653

:

Xhafer: Yeah, oh yeah,

654

:

Laura: we don't need him.

655

:

If he won't do this thing.

656

:

Xhafer: exactly.

657

:

Laura: And Sharon is pretty

reluctant about this.

658

:

Uh, which Six is clocking immediately,

because they're not friends.

659

:

And Sharon runs back to Helo

and tells him that she's seen

660

:

Xylons and they have to go now.

661

:

Now, now.

662

:

Now,

663

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

664

:

Time to get the fuck outta here.

665

:

Laura: So she's not going to convince

him to stay in the cabin, where he would

666

:

be safe, it sounds like, for a time.

667

:

Xhafer: Yeah, well,

668

:

Laura: Or maybe not.

669

:

I don't

670

:

know.

671

:

Xhafer: not.

672

:

Back over on The Traveler Starbuck

talks shit while Leoben says he is God.

673

:

And then he clarifies, not

really me specifically, but

674

:

all of us, we're all God,

675

:

Laura: Yeah.

676

:

Xhafer: But then he goes on to say, well,

when I say we, I don't mean you humies

677

:

uh, because you betrayed God's ideals.

678

:

Which is why the Cylons were

created by God, of God, in the first

679

:

place, to punish you for your sins.

680

:

Laura: Yeah, and she's

like, well, we created the

681

:

Cylons.

682

:

And he's like, but did you?

683

:

Xhafer: Heheheheh.

684

:

But did you?

685

:

Laura: Yeah.

686

:

Uh.

687

:

Maybe God created us through you.

688

:

Boom.

689

:

Xhafer: Huh.

690

:

Anyways Leoben alludes to a

bunch more rivers and streams.

691

:

This is imagery he really

likes going back to.

692

:

Going back to the well on,

if you'll forgive the pun.

693

:

Laura: Yeah.

694

:

Xhafer: gimo around this time.

695

:

So let's just go ahead and lean in.

696

:

Glo: It's not like it's open again, right?

697

:

right?

698

:

right?

699

:

Xhafer: Right?

700

:

right.

701

:

Laura: Right?

702

:

Xhafer: I mean, I don't expect

this to make you feel better, but

703

:

what we're presented with here

is not actually water boarding.

704

:

Water boarding is actually a

very different form of torture.

705

:

Glo: This is just like, dipping

someone's head in a bucket.

706

:

And, until

707

:

they are sad,

708

:

right?

709

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I think I call it dunkin

for bullshit instead of apples at one

710

:

point in my notes but yeah waterboarding

is, they put like a thick fabric

711

:

over you, like a canvas or a towel or

something, and then they drench that

712

:

in water, and it makes your brain think

you're drowning even though you're not.

713

:

Yeah, It's it's arguably worse.

714

:

I don't know.

715

:

I don't want to know.

716

:

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do

any empirical testing to find out.

717

:

I can fucking say that for sure.

718

:

Laura: Probably a war

719

:

crime.

720

:

Xhafer: We're really earning our explicit

721

:

rating today, and by earning, and we,

I mean me, dropping a bunch of f bombs.

722

:

Laura: What is a podcast for if

you can't say fuck all the time?

723

:

Xhafer: Right!

724

:

Laura: I

725

:

don't even know.

726

:

Xhafer: Leoban says he'll, he could

kill Starbuck before the guards even

727

:

get back in, and she's all like, Yeah,

whatever, and then he proves his point

728

:

by breaking his chains, throwing the

table, and instantly choking her.

729

:

Laura: So stressful.

730

:

Glo: I mean, one thing that this

does show us too, which might

731

:

add to the confusion, is he is

willing to show some of his cards.

732

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

733

:

Laura: Yeah.

734

:

Glo: So what what has he shown

us that's real and what's not?

735

:

Because when it wasn't working for

him, he showed his hand, right?

736

:

You know, oh, you don't

think I can do this?

737

:

Okay, here we go.

738

:

So how human is he and

how provocable is he?

739

:

Laura: Yeah.

740

:

And I wonder, you know, the other

guards rush in and pull him off

741

:

of her, but how much of that is

742

:

him just letting it

743

:

happen?

744

:

Glo: Right.

745

:

So is this

746

:

whole Is the whole thing he knew

he was going to be messed with

747

:

and he just is letting this whole

thing happen because he could have

748

:

gotten out of the situation already.

749

:

Laura: And he's got that kind

of, um, was it Zarek who we met?

750

:

What was the character's name?

751

:

Xhafer: Tom Zarek?

752

:

Laura: Yeah, Tom Zarek.

753

:

He's got that kind of martyr

754

:

energy.

755

:

going on.

756

:

He doesn't really care

what happens to him.

757

:

He's trying to achieve

a goal, as Adama said.

758

:

Xhafer: Mm hm.

759

:

Laura: Always knowing that he's gonna die

760

:

in this, like there's no way out.

761

:

Glo: But, I mean, one thing we didn't hit

on is he does, they do make a big thing

762

:

out of He doesn't know if he's close

enough to do the reincarnation thing,

763

:

so he, he might actually die if

764

:

he dies, which is, you know, which is

also very interesting and very testing

765

:

of the limits of his humanity because

he might be the most human at this

766

:

moment.

767

:

Laura: That's true.

768

:

That's true.

769

:

Which would make his, his whole

martyr vibe even stronger.

770

:

Because if he's not sure he's gonna

reincarnate, you know, most martyrs don't.

771

:

I

772

:

think they're going to

reincarnate, I think.

773

:

I don't know.

774

:

I haven't been inside

the mind of a martyr.

775

:

I hope to not.

776

:

But, yeah.

777

:

He's, He's,

778

:

really bought into the cause, then.

779

:

Xhafer: sure has.

780

:

Um, at this point we get

a little bit of a go back.

781

:

We know that there's no

luck on finding the nuke.

782

:

Laura: Yeah, we, we visit Leoben's corpse,

783

:

as well, as Adama is

784

:

thinking about this and calling Ty.

785

:

Xhafer: Was it jarring for you

how much better this corpse looked

786

:

than the photo Rosalind showed of

the corpse like five episodes ago?

787

:

Am I the only one who

caught that, clocked that?

788

:

Laura: Yeah, I didn't

really notice anything about

789

:

that.

790

:

Xhafer: The photo she showed

of the corpse, I remember being

791

:

like, this is a fucking corpse.

792

:

Like.

793

:

This is, this is, this has been dead.

794

:

Right?

795

:

And fucked up from radiation and stuff,

because Leoben was not having a good

796

:

time on his way out of Ragnar station.

797

:

Laura: was real sick.

798

:

Xhafer: He was real sick.

799

:

And then, this Leoben looks

almost recently dead and healthy.

800

:

Laura: I wonder if that's

continuity problem or an

801

:

on purpose problem.

802

:

I don't know.

803

:

Xhafer: It's safe to say

it's a continuity problem.

804

:

Laura: Okay.

805

:

Xhafer: Um, if it was a thing they

were teasing to be a spoiler for later,

806

:

I would not be bringing it up right

807

:

now.

808

:

Heh

809

:

Laura: they didn't, yeah.

810

:

I don't know, for one, why

he goes to visit the corpse.

811

:

That is never obvious to me.

812

:

And, two, why we have this corpse and

we haven't done any testing on it.

813

:

We're like ripping the raider

ship apart trying to find the

814

:

poop tube, and we're not looking

815

:

the Lioban?

816

:

What?

817

:

Guys!

818

:

Hmm.

819

:

Xhafer: I'm not gonna say That it's for

certain, because maybe they haven't.

820

:

Like, an autopsy is usually chest down.

821

:

If you open up and see that it's all

just normal organs and stuff, I got

822

:

to imagine anything that you think

might be Cylon bits, you've already

823

:

But maybe not.

824

:

Maybe they're just fucking up.

825

:

There's a lot of that in this show.

826

:

Just generally speaking.

827

:

It's almost like they're human.

828

:

Laura: Ha ha ha ha ha.

829

:

Almost, though.

830

:

Yeah.

831

:

Uh, And I mean, I guess it's possible

that the Cylons have just done such

832

:

a good job recreating these human

models that you just open it up and

833

:

from all the things that you have, all

the microscopes or the tools or the

834

:

whatevers, you're just like, damn, it's

835

:

all the same.

836

:

Like, I don't know what I'm

supposed to learn from this.

837

:

Xhafer: Where's the transmitter?

838

:

Where's the red glowy spine shit?

839

:

Laura: Yeah, it seems like they

should have given Baltar some

840

:

The way to use this corpse.

841

:

Like, shouldn't that have been,

like, part of the Cylon detector is

842

:

like, Oh, yes, I can figure

out, but I don't know.

843

:

Xhafer: I mean, also, if he doesn't ask

for it, are you going to give it to him?

844

:

Laura: Does he, he knows that

It's there though, right?

845

:

Xhafer: You know what I mean?

846

:

He uses

847

:

the basis of Leoben dying in

the radiation of Ragnar Station.

848

:

That's why he says he needs the nuke.

849

:

That's what makes the Cylon detector.

850

:

Laura: so he knows it's there.

851

:

is he being a dipshit I, he's

852

:

Xhafer: is is Balter being a dipshit.

853

:

is like, that could be

the name of this podcast

854

:

Laura: a bear shit in the woods?

855

:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

856

:

Is the

857

:

Pope Catholic?

858

:

Ha ha ha.

859

:

Xhafer: Oh, here we are.

860

:

So we start bobbing for bullshit

and uh, Leoben is unfazed.

861

:

, Leoban goes about Starbucks problems.

862

:

Laura: yes, this is where

some of the mother's story,

863

:

I'm not sure I really caught

864

:

it.

865

:

so, recap the mother's story for me.

866

:

Xhafer: so, Leoban, Leoban here goes

on about how Starbucks problems all

867

:

stem from a need to injure herself

and others as a way of proving her

868

:

suffering which was instilled as

a sense of worth by her mother.

869

:

Glo: Yep.

870

:

Xhafer: her mother was all You

aren't worthy if you don't suffer.

871

:

I doubt those words ever left a

human being's mouth in a meaningful

872

:

way to their child, I fucking hope.

873

:

But there are ways that you can

demonstrate that through action, or in

874

:

less straightforward ways that are less

875

:

psychoanalytical.

876

:

Laura: context comes to mind,

877

:

yeah.

878

:

Xhafer: For sure,

879

:

religious

880

:

context

881

:

comes to mind.

882

:

Glo: Did they, did they make a

point that this was religious?

883

:

Mm hmm.

884

:

I don't remember.

885

:

Laura: know.

886

:

I don't know that they explicitly did, or

if I just went like, Oh yes, of course,

887

:

I see that all the time in Oklahoma.

888

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

889

:

yeah,

890

:

yeah, yeah, it's,

891

:

Laura: Those people are all around me.

892

:

Glo: Oh

893

:

Xhafer: yeah.

894

:

you know, I mean, I mean, Jesus

suffered, so you must suffer

895

:

to be more Christ like, right?

896

:

Laura: Yeah, some of

897

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

898

:

Yeah, it's not it wasn't that he did

it so that you wouldn't have to, right?

899

:

Asking questions.

900

:

I'm

901

:

the worst

902

:

Glo: Ooh, but I mean if we're playing

into the martyr trope, are we, are we

903

:

setting up Starbuck as a martyr now?

904

:

Laura: I think that's kind of

what he's saying then, right?

905

:

Is like, you've been

trying to martyr yourself.

906

:

And Also,

907

:

making people around you

suffer, though, is interesting.

908

:

I

909

:

don't know

910

:

Xhafer: yeah, well, if your goal, I

mean, she's a flight instructor, right?

911

:

Her goal is to make others better.

912

:

So she's someone who spent a lot of

time teaching and her method of her

913

:

understanding of worthiness stems

from your ability to handle suffering.

914

:

Laura: Mmm.

915

:

Xhafer: Then one would lead to

believe that she was a shitty teacher.

916

:

Glo: Oof.

917

:

Laura: She's teaching

through suffering, yeah.

918

:

Which is not always an

919

:

effective tool, or maybe effective

at the totally wrong things.

920

:

Xhafer: I mean Glow, as an

English teacher, what's the worst

921

:

book

922

:

you teach?

923

:

Glo: Oh, God.

924

:

Well, you know, it's funny.

925

:

Yeah, I'm not going to answer that,

but like, you know, I, I, I have been

926

:

very fortunate that I've had a lot of

control over the curriculum that I teach.

927

:

Um, I just have to teach

certain standards, but.

928

:

I, I was going to make the

point that, you know, I, I know

929

:

teachers who are like Cara Thrace.

930

:

You know what I mean?

931

:

The ones who are, you know,

emotionally closed off.

932

:

They don't make connections

with their students.

933

:

They are all about the school

of hard knocks and they think

934

:

that they are effective.

935

:

They are not effective.

936

:

Um, they're

937

:

scary.

938

:

Xhafer: so yeah, that was, that

was kind of what Leoben was getting

939

:

into there, in his little brief

940

:

Laura: And he touches a

941

:

nerve,

942

:

yeah,

943

:

just, just right on

944

:

it, just like right there, just

like, He smiles in his bucket,

945

:

too, while he's being drowned.

946

:

Xhafer: yeah.

947

:

Laura: So clearly achieving our

948

:

goals.

949

:

Yeah,

950

:

Glo: excellent little piece of writing

there because it's just enough of him,

951

:

again, playing his hand, you know, just we

see a little bit of it for the audience.

952

:

You could have like looked down at your

phone and not seen that part, right?

953

:

Laura: totally.

954

:

Or at your

955

:

notes.

956

:

Glo: yeah, right, yeah,

957

:

totally.

958

:

totally.

959

:

And you know, just a little bit of

character development to show, oh,

960

:

he's actually in a lot more control.

961

:

Just like, you know, him going

berserk on her a moment ago.

962

:

Laura: Yeah.

963

:

Xhafer: We cut over to Boomer, who

talks a little bit about her past.

964

:

How mysterious, her whole

family died, you know.

965

:

Laura: The whole colony was

966

:

Xhafer: career.

967

:

Yeah.

968

:

Crazy.

969

:

Weird.

970

:

Huh.

971

:

Man, do we know any other

characters like that?

972

:

Huh.

973

:

Maybe we should think about that.

974

:

Anyways,

975

:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

976

:

What was

977

:

Glo: a good face!

978

:

Sorry this is audio format,

979

:

guys.

980

:

Laura: Oh,

981

:

Xhafer: Man.

982

:

But yeah the Cylon

detector actually works?

983

:

Laura: seems like it does, because we know

984

:

that she's a Cylon, and it pops.

985

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

986

:

Big red over here.

987

:

No Chewleys double mint for her.

988

:

Only big red.

989

:

Laura: And Now we know that Baltar knows,

990

:

but Baltar knows that she doesn't know.

991

:

It's

992

:

a whole thing.

993

:

Xhafer: Yep.

994

:

6BT is like grabbing the popcorn meme

embodiment here while taunting Gaius

995

:

about how absolutely fucked he is.

996

:

Like his options are Lie

to Boomer, Or get killed.

997

:

Laura: Yeah.

998

:

Glo: Wait, why would he get

999

:

killed?

:

00:42:26,526 --> 00:42:30,426

Xhafer: 6PT talks about how if

Boomer is confronted with the fact

:

00:42:30,426 --> 00:42:35,786

that her cover has been blown, her,

like, inner Cylon will reveal itself

:

00:42:35,816 --> 00:42:36,026

and

:

00:42:36,026 --> 00:42:36,936

just rip his

:

00:42:37,088 --> 00:42:38,058

Glo: Whoa!

:

00:42:38,308 --> 00:42:39,168

Missed that!

:

00:42:39,988 --> 00:42:44,478

Laura: Yeah, no, she's like mocking him,

saying, Well, you know, now you've stepped

:

00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,778

in it, cause she'll just kill you, right?

:

00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:52,948

And, I still am so mad at Baltar.

:

00:42:53,498 --> 00:42:56,398

Like, obviously, okay, he's

gotta get out of this room.

:

00:42:56,528 --> 00:43:00,068

Like, he's in the room with the

Cylon, and he's about to be a

:

00:43:00,168 --> 00:43:01,888

big threat to that Cylon, right?

:

00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:02,676

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:06,113

Laura: You can still say something later.

:

00:43:06,353 --> 00:43:08,963

Like, get out of the

damn room, okay, fine.

:

00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:11,423

Go directly to Commander Adama and

:

00:43:11,883 --> 00:43:12,603

say something.

:

00:43:12,664 --> 00:43:13,854

Glo: Ooh, good point.

:

00:43:14,213 --> 00:43:18,663

Laura: But he fucking doesn't, cause

he's a chicken shit little asshole man.

:

00:43:19,482 --> 00:43:19,822

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:22,032

Just wait.

:

00:43:22,232 --> 00:43:25,172

Like, like you think

you've been mad at Baltar?

:

00:43:25,332 --> 00:43:27,082

You have not been mad at Baltar.

:

00:43:28,042 --> 00:43:30,262

You think you've been disgusted with him?

:

00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:32,662

You haven't even started to

:

00:43:32,672 --> 00:43:34,762

be disgusted with Gaius Baltar yet.

:

00:43:35,182 --> 00:43:35,882

Just.

:

00:43:36,052 --> 00:43:36,702

You.

:

00:43:36,932 --> 00:43:37,662

Wait.

:

00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:40,858

Laura: and he's the whole

reason all this shit happened.

:

00:43:41,492 --> 00:43:42,092

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:43:42,604 --> 00:43:44,014

Laura: He's the whole reason.

:

00:43:44,154 --> 00:43:47,164

And he's just doing all these

little mental flippity flips to like

:

00:43:47,164 --> 00:43:49,004

conserve his own corpse and it's like

:

00:43:49,004 --> 00:43:50,744

your own corpse doesn't fucking matter.

:

00:43:51,642 --> 00:43:53,542

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, let's take a

:

00:43:53,542 --> 00:43:56,352

hypothetical example of just a shitbag

:

00:43:56,682 --> 00:43:57,712

person, right?

:

00:43:58,382 --> 00:44:01,982

And let's say the shitbag

person fucks up real bad.

:

00:44:02,322 --> 00:44:06,612

They fuck up so bad they're probably

gonna go to jail for a while, right?

:

00:44:07,162 --> 00:44:10,092

And so now they're just doing

everything they can to make themselves

:

00:44:10,102 --> 00:44:12,142

useful in the eyes of the public.

:

00:44:12,922 --> 00:44:17,792

You know, do you think that person

would maybe even go as far as to run for

:

00:44:17,792 --> 00:44:20,422

president to avoid what was going on?

:

00:44:20,894 --> 00:44:21,274

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:44:21,454 --> 00:44:21,464

Hmm.

:

00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,029

Glo: Hmm.

:

00:44:24,982 --> 00:44:25,452

Xhafer: right,

:

00:44:28,412 --> 00:44:28,772

huh?

:

00:44:29,619 --> 00:44:31,119

Laura: Do you think it would work, though?

:

00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,539

This

:

00:44:36,012 --> 00:44:39,612

Xhafer: if that shitbag person who

had to run from their problems So they

:

00:44:39,612 --> 00:44:43,222

ran for president so that they could

be self exonerated because you don't

:

00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:48,872

persecute presidents You know, one, what

a crazy world that would be to live in.

:

00:44:49,212 --> 00:44:54,522

Clearly a work of fiction Because

we're still just talking about

:

00:44:54,532 --> 00:44:56,302

Battlestar Galactica, Right?

:

00:44:57,899 --> 00:44:59,829

Laura: is a Battlestar Galactica podcast.

:

00:44:59,859 --> 00:45:01,089

It couldn't be about anything

:

00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:01,399

else,

:

00:45:01,687 --> 00:45:02,707

Xhafer: A hundred percent.

:

00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:05,129

Glo: ruining everybody's

escapism right now.

:

00:45:06,957 --> 00:45:12,777

Xhafer: I feel like, you know, if I

got a dollar for every time I ruined

:

00:45:12,787 --> 00:45:18,557

one of our listeners escapisms by

dropping in some political nonsense,

:

00:45:19,527 --> 00:45:21,647

I would not have a normal job.

:

00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:24,007

I would be a professional podcaster.

:

00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:24,819

Laura: Right.

:

00:45:25,197 --> 00:45:26,957

Xhafer: And we don't

have that many listeners.

:

00:45:29,011 --> 00:45:29,721

Anyways

:

00:45:29,753 --> 00:45:29,773

Laura: Sigh.

:

00:45:30,478 --> 00:45:30,688

Yeah,

:

00:45:30,688 --> 00:45:31,528

so he fakes it.

:

00:45:32,017 --> 00:45:33,307

Xhafer: Yeah, so he just says fuck it.

:

00:45:33,862 --> 00:45:35,772

Greens, I lied.

:

00:45:35,812 --> 00:45:37,772

Julie's double meant for you after all.

:

00:45:38,749 --> 00:45:43,477

Rosalyn uh, keeps seeing Leoben

here in like the corner of her eyes

:

00:45:43,487 --> 00:45:47,602

and little visions and her dreams

and decides to go see him herself.

:

00:45:48,102 --> 00:45:53,672

Leoben quotes scripture to Starbuck

here which I'm gonna call out is

:

00:45:53,672 --> 00:45:56,882

very important because this is

the first time we hear this in the

:

00:45:56,882 --> 00:45:57,242

show.

:

00:45:57,584 --> 00:45:58,354

Glo: Interesting.

:

00:45:58,744 --> 00:46:02,194

Xhafer: And it is something that

you will be hearing a lot of.

:

00:46:03,070 --> 00:46:04,860

Laura: Like this specific line or just

:

00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:05,800

quotes from this

:

00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,450

scripture.

:

00:46:06,684 --> 00:46:10,094

Xhafer: This, this specific line,

all of this has happened before

:

00:46:10,094 --> 00:46:11,664

and all of this will happen again.

:

00:46:13,374 --> 00:46:17,634

I would say that of everything

quoted from scripture in this

:

00:46:17,634 --> 00:46:20,874

show, this is, we probably hear

this more than So Say We All.

:

00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:23,355

Laura: Wow, okay.

:

00:46:23,834 --> 00:46:25,354

Xhafer: Um, and maybe, I mean, I'm not

:

00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:30,754

gonna, like, count the number of times,

but, and also, you know, I'm remembering

:

00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:35,204

a show from 20 years ago that I haven't

watched since it aired, so, I could very

:

00:46:35,204 --> 00:46:37,184

easily be wrong there, but we hear it.

:

00:46:37,649 --> 00:46:37,749

A

:

00:46:37,749 --> 00:46:38,259

lot.

:

00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:41,279

And maybe I'm just remembering,

like, maybe it was very prominently

:

00:46:41,279 --> 00:46:42,859

in the advertising materials.

:

00:46:43,887 --> 00:46:47,547

I still can't listen to All American

Rejects without thinking of Battlestar

:

00:46:47,547 --> 00:46:49,997

Galactica because they were in,

like, all of the ads for Season 4.

:

00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:51,483

Laura: Really?

:

00:46:52,117 --> 00:46:52,857

Xhafer: Yeah!

:

00:46:53,167 --> 00:46:57,516

Um, the, the uh, that All American

Rejects song, like, It ends

:

00:46:57,516 --> 00:46:59,436

tonight, it ends, like, that one.

:

00:46:59,646 --> 00:47:04,756

That was, like, in every Season 4

commercial for Battlestar Galactica.

:

00:47:04,756 --> 00:47:05,326

from

:

00:47:05,743 --> 00:47:06,673

Laura: You know they're from here,

:

00:47:06,673 --> 00:47:07,003

right?

:

00:47:07,287 --> 00:47:07,717

Glo: Oklahoma?

:

00:47:08,475 --> 00:47:09,285

Xhafer: from Oklahoma?

:

00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:09,862

Laura: Yeah,

:

00:47:10,012 --> 00:47:10,342

Glo: Wow.

:

00:47:11,072 --> 00:47:11,802

Laura: Mm hmm.

:

00:47:11,802 --> 00:47:12,122

Tulsa.

:

00:47:12,132 --> 00:47:14,272

I'm pretty sure it's Tulsa.

:

00:47:14,682 --> 00:47:15,412

I don't know, it's one of the

:

00:47:15,412 --> 00:47:15,892

two metros.

:

00:47:16,632 --> 00:47:18,722

Glo: You know, who else is from Tulsa?

:

00:47:19,382 --> 00:47:20,072

The Hanson

:

00:47:20,072 --> 00:47:20,722

Brothers.

:

00:47:21,192 --> 00:47:21,762

Laura: yes, they

:

00:47:21,762 --> 00:47:22,232

are.

:

00:47:22,642 --> 00:47:24,902

Glo: I was a huge Hanson fan.

:

00:47:25,192 --> 00:47:25,372

And

:

00:47:25,372 --> 00:47:31,032

if, listener, if you are somebody who

only knows Hanson from Oombop, they

:

00:47:31,032 --> 00:47:33,562

have grown up and they are very talented

:

00:47:33,562 --> 00:47:34,422

musicians.

:

00:47:34,892 --> 00:47:36,932

Laura: Yeah, they still,

they're still musicking.

:

00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:37,032

I

:

00:47:37,042 --> 00:47:37,802

think one of them

:

00:47:37,812 --> 00:47:38,142

owns

:

00:47:38,142 --> 00:47:39,012

a brewery

:

00:47:39,082 --> 00:47:39,252

Glo: Oh,

:

00:47:39,252 --> 00:47:39,732

wow.

:

00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,090

Xhafer: they've got a beer called

:

00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:41,780

Mhops.

:

00:47:42,272 --> 00:47:42,652

Glo: Yeah.

:

00:47:43,012 --> 00:47:43,612

Laura: Yes, they

:

00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,150

Xhafer: Yep, that's the only thing I know.

:

00:47:47,077 --> 00:47:47,207

Laura: they're.

:

00:47:47,207 --> 00:47:50,157

funny, I mean, come on, if you do a song

:

00:47:50,157 --> 00:47:51,947

like that, you have to

:

00:47:52,027 --> 00:47:52,327

riff

:

00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:53,507

on it later in life.

:

00:47:53,517 --> 00:47:54,347

Yeah, yeah.

:

00:47:54,757 --> 00:47:55,467

they were children.

:

00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:56,510

Xhafer: So,

:

00:47:57,497 --> 00:47:59,847

Laura: I went to see

them in Tulsa once, yeah.

:

00:48:01,797 --> 00:48:03,707

I was probably like 11, I don't

:

00:48:03,962 --> 00:48:04,082

Glo: Oh,

:

00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:04,560

Xhafer: So were

:

00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:04,860

they.

:

00:48:05,387 --> 00:48:06,257

Glo: Yeah, probably.

:

00:48:06,417 --> 00:48:07,907

Laura: We're about the same age, it's

:

00:48:08,067 --> 00:48:09,177

Glo: Yeah, seriously.

:

00:48:09,423 --> 00:48:10,603

Laura: That's, that's our claim to fame.

:

00:48:10,603 --> 00:48:12,423

We have the All American

Rejects, we have Hanson.

:

00:48:13,653 --> 00:48:15,053

We've got more, but some of them aren't

:

00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:15,263

worth

:

00:48:15,263 --> 00:48:15,713

mentioning.

:

00:48:16,343 --> 00:48:18,313

Glo: Yeah, nothing comes out of Detroit.

:

00:48:18,314 --> 00:48:19,255

Just a mate.

:

00:48:19,255 --> 00:48:20,032

We we

:

00:48:20,032 --> 00:48:20,421

have

:

00:48:20,474 --> 00:48:21,824

Laura: You guys, you guys have

:

00:48:21,974 --> 00:48:23,528

Glo: that was totally wrong.

:

00:48:23,528 --> 00:48:27,024

Like we have an amazing Motown is a thing.

:

00:48:27,864 --> 00:48:28,214

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:48:29,364 --> 00:48:29,664

Yeah.

:

00:48:29,664 --> 00:48:31,074

you guys are just like, okay,

:

00:48:31,244 --> 00:48:31,774

Glo: Yeah.

:

00:48:32,014 --> 00:48:33,214

Oh musicians.

:

00:48:33,676 --> 00:48:34,666

Xhafer: we've got a few.

:

00:48:34,942 --> 00:48:37,792

Uh, We're proud of most of them.

:

00:48:37,922 --> 00:48:38,222

But

:

00:48:38,242 --> 00:48:39,572

not all of them.

:

00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:40,209

Glo: fair.

:

00:48:41,029 --> 00:48:41,519

Mm hmm.

:

00:48:42,071 --> 00:48:43,291

Xhafer: Anyways, yeah.

:

00:48:43,401 --> 00:48:47,406

So Leoben, At this point,

drops the prophecy.

:

00:48:48,006 --> 00:48:50,236

Kara is going to find cobalt

:

00:48:50,398 --> 00:48:51,008

Glo: Yeah

:

00:48:51,656 --> 00:48:56,186

Xhafer: and that, that, that Kara finding

cobalt is what will lead them to earth.

:

00:48:56,842 --> 00:48:58,062

Laura: Okay, clarification

:

00:48:58,062 --> 00:48:58,752

question here.

:

00:48:58,802 --> 00:49:00,942

I assume this is not a too spoilery

:

00:49:00,972 --> 00:49:01,772

clarification.

:

00:49:01,876 --> 00:49:02,776

Xhafer: is, I won't answer

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00:49:03,012 --> 00:49:03,882

Laura: Kobol,

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00:49:04,512 --> 00:49:07,332

is he speaking of a planet or of a god?

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00:49:08,146 --> 00:49:08,836

Xhafer: cobalt.

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00:49:08,856 --> 00:49:09,346

So.

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00:49:09,771 --> 00:49:12,201

The lords of kobol are the gods,

:

00:49:12,881 --> 00:49:14,951

but they are the 12 colonies of

:

00:49:14,951 --> 00:49:22,811

kobol because kobol is the originator

of Humanity so so in the lore we've

:

00:49:22,811 --> 00:49:27,101

gotten bits of this enough where I don't

feel like I'm ruining anything right

:

00:49:27,101 --> 00:49:35,663

now by saying this is like the origin

planet of I don't want to they're not I

:

00:49:35,663 --> 00:49:40,248

don't say humans Because they're, that

would mean they came from Earth, right?

:

00:49:40,488 --> 00:49:45,548

So, like, they are, they are, the

humans that we see, for lack of a

:

00:49:45,548 --> 00:49:47,188

better term, all came from Kobol.

:

00:49:47,678 --> 00:49:51,308

There was a thing on Kobol

where they all had to leave.

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00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:52,705

Laura: Okay, like an

:

00:49:52,738 --> 00:49:53,928

Xhafer: space, Yeah.

:

00:49:54,648 --> 00:49:55,698

They had space faring

:

00:49:55,698 --> 00:50:00,278

technology, and then they left, and

they founded the Twelve Colonies.

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00:50:00,595 --> 00:50:03,525

Laura: But there's the

13th colony that was lost,

:

00:50:03,545 --> 00:50:03,795

that

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00:50:03,838 --> 00:50:06,088

Xhafer: Which, which is Earth, yes.

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00:50:06,698 --> 00:50:10,078

And so, Kobol is like

the originator planet.

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00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:11,024

Laura: Okay.

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00:50:11,337 --> 00:50:15,377

Xhafer: So, um, we'll, there

will be more, obviously, this is

:

00:50:15,377 --> 00:50:17,017

a prophecy, it's seeding story.

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00:50:17,687 --> 00:50:20,497

Um, so we'll learn more about Kobol

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00:50:21,367 --> 00:50:22,927

before the end of this season.

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00:50:23,594 --> 00:50:23,934

Laura: Okay.

:

00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:26,737

Xhafer: That's a fair statement.

:

00:50:27,104 --> 00:50:29,974

Laura: Yeah, I was just, like, wanting

to know, like, is it, is Kobol a

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00:50:29,974 --> 00:50:34,374

literal place or is he saying, like,

you're going to find God and then

:

00:50:34,384 --> 00:50:35,494

you're going to find Earth?

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00:50:35,574 --> 00:50:35,904

So,

:

00:50:36,094 --> 00:50:36,514

okay.

:

00:50:36,627 --> 00:50:39,517

Xhafer: Well, if we're talking

about interpreting prophecy,

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00:50:40,067 --> 00:50:41,967

Laura: I mean, it could be two things.

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00:50:42,072 --> 00:50:42,152

Glo: Hmm.

:

00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,270

Xhafer: Rosalind walks in on this

scene and is just like, what the hell?

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00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:51,110

She apologizes for the torture.

:

00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,670

She says that we can stop this

conflict with the Cylons now

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00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:56,360

if they just trust each other.

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00:50:56,816 --> 00:50:56,906

Laura: Uh

:

00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,639

Xhafer: Leoban tells Rosalind

that Adama is a Cylon.

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00:51:01,546 --> 00:51:02,126

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:51:02,176 --> 00:51:07,366

Well, I feel like we're skipping over

some bits here in that, like, she's pretty

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00:51:07,366 --> 00:51:12,091

sincere with this offer of, We could

trust each other, we could stop this, in

:

00:51:12,091 --> 00:51:17,162

that she, like, takes off his restraints

and, you know, gives him some freedom.

:

00:51:17,162 --> 00:51:20,792

He, like, rushes to hug her

and she doesn't have him,

:

00:51:20,792 --> 00:51:22,682

like, immediately killed.

:

00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:23,600

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:27,152

Laura: She seems pretty genuine about it.

:

00:51:27,152 --> 00:51:30,380

And then he whispers

that Adama is a Cylon.

:

00:51:30,991 --> 00:51:31,841

Glo: Oh, man.

:

00:51:31,951 --> 00:51:36,451

So, you know, I was watching this through

a teacher's lens because that's what

:

00:51:36,711 --> 00:51:38,781

you guys asked me to do to come on here.

:

00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:45,661

And I, I don't know if, you know,

the writers here knew a teacher

:

00:51:45,661 --> 00:51:50,021

or, you know, but the way that

she deals with this situation.

:

00:51:50,381 --> 00:51:57,961

It feels like my teaching style when it

comes to very difficult personalities,

:

00:51:58,411 --> 00:52:05,831

um, giving, giving the opportunity

for relationship and giving students

:

00:52:05,831 --> 00:52:09,481

the benefit of the doubt and, you

know, that there's, there's good in

:

00:52:09,481 --> 00:52:13,531

everybody and that they can make a

choice because they have agency, right?

:

00:52:14,091 --> 00:52:15,681

Um, and.

:

00:52:16,121 --> 00:52:17,341

He breaks that.

:

00:52:17,689 --> 00:52:22,209

And I think everybody who, I don't

know, you know the teacher look, right?

:

00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,099

Like, you get that down.

:

00:52:24,099 --> 00:52:25,709

I think parents have that too.

:

00:52:25,759 --> 00:52:28,999

You know, the thing that like, you

know, strikes fear into the heart of,

:

00:52:29,009 --> 00:52:31,439

you know, your, your band of kids.

:

00:52:31,439 --> 00:52:32,429

Yeah, exactly.

:

00:52:32,903 --> 00:52:34,173

You can see that

:

00:52:35,263 --> 00:52:39,843

little shift and she's like, oh,

okay, this is what I'm dealing with.

:

00:52:39,883 --> 00:52:41,853

And she goes scorched earth.

:

00:52:43,083 --> 00:52:44,873

And sometimes you have to do that.

:

00:52:45,743 --> 00:52:46,693

Laura: That's, That's, how I

:

00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:47,283

felt about

:

00:52:47,283 --> 00:52:47,563

it.

:

00:52:48,073 --> 00:52:52,643

You know, he does, like,

start owning up to truth.

:

00:52:52,963 --> 00:52:54,913

He says, I made the warhead up.

:

00:52:55,603 --> 00:52:56,993

I was buying more time.

:

00:52:57,543 --> 00:53:01,813

Don't go too hard on Starbuck because

the military is made to dehumanize.

:

00:53:01,823 --> 00:53:02,283

Which I was

:

00:53:02,283 --> 00:53:03,183

like, oh, oh.

:

00:53:03,603 --> 00:53:05,013

Like, oh.

:

00:53:05,013 --> 00:53:06,773

boy, there's a whole lot to unpack there.

:

00:53:07,273 --> 00:53:07,773

Um.

:

00:53:08,694 --> 00:53:15,543

And he gives her that hug, and it seems

like she's still genuinely like, trying to

:

00:53:15,543 --> 00:53:20,083

restrain everyone else, trying to, maybe

we can break through on this situation.

:

00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:25,813

And then, like you said, he

breaks the trust and she shuts

:

00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:26,323

him down.

:

00:53:26,513 --> 00:53:27,173

Entirely.

:

00:53:27,203 --> 00:53:27,923

Literally.

:

00:53:28,403 --> 00:53:28,633

Out

:

00:53:28,633 --> 00:53:29,303

the airlock.

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00:53:29,588 --> 00:53:33,468

Glo: And I think sometimes that's one of

the hardest things, especially as you get

:

00:53:34,095 --> 00:53:38,905

in more into your career as a teacher,

because you definitely go in knowing that

:

00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:44,035

there are, you know, you know, wanting

to see the good in everybody, wanting to

:

00:53:44,035 --> 00:53:47,515

help everybody, and you end up helping

thousands of people, you know, over

:

00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:49,602

your career, at this point, I've known,

:

00:53:49,978 --> 00:53:55,278

couple thousand students, but you

also have to come to terms with the

:

00:53:55,278 --> 00:54:01,997

very real human thing, that there

are some, I guess statistically you

:

00:54:01,997 --> 00:54:07,227

are going to come across murderers,

psychopaths, people, you know what I mean?

:

00:54:07,237 --> 00:54:09,537

Like I have, I have a student.

:

00:54:09,852 --> 00:54:10,932

who is a murderer.

:

00:54:11,312 --> 00:54:13,302

I have students who are rapists.

:

00:54:13,582 --> 00:54:18,322

I have, you know, things that I know,

you know, and they come through just

:

00:54:18,322 --> 00:54:23,972

like everybody else and you have to

have that discernment, you know, to, you

:

00:54:23,972 --> 00:54:27,962

know, you give them the education, you

give everybody the education, but, you

:

00:54:27,962 --> 00:54:31,992

know, sometimes they do show their ass

and you have to, you know, lock it down.

:

00:54:32,577 --> 00:54:36,367

Laura: That's, that's very real,

and she says we're not going to

:

00:54:36,367 --> 00:54:37,807

keep a deadly machine around.

:

00:54:37,817 --> 00:54:42,677

Starbuck, unfortunately, seems to have

kind of flipped on this whole thing.

:

00:54:42,727 --> 00:54:43,447

She feels a little

:

00:54:43,447 --> 00:54:43,927

bad.

:

00:54:44,597 --> 00:54:48,447

She knows he's not afraid of

dying, but he's afraid his

:

00:54:48,447 --> 00:54:50,897

soul might not make it back.

:

00:54:51,556 --> 00:54:51,926

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:54:52,507 --> 00:54:55,169

Laura: And uh, Rosalind does not care.

:

00:54:56,289 --> 00:54:58,509

It's not that she doesn't

care, but, you know.

:

00:54:59,789 --> 00:55:00,641

Yeah.

:

00:55:00,670 --> 00:55:01,600

Xhafer: I mean, it's airlock time.

:

00:55:01,610 --> 00:55:01,620

Mm

:

00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:01,650

hmm.

:

00:55:02,292 --> 00:55:02,802

Glo: Yep.

:

00:55:03,139 --> 00:55:07,889

Xhafer: And then kind of briefly goes

over all the damage that he's done

:

00:55:07,949 --> 00:55:12,219

with his words here, with Starbuck,

is the other side of this too.

:

00:55:12,755 --> 00:55:15,345

You know, the fleet's spread

out, they're defenseless.

:

00:55:15,889 --> 00:55:19,734

And as he gets sucked out, it's

exactly like Rosalind's dream.

:

00:55:20,243 --> 00:55:22,043

It's literally the same

scene, they just CGI'd,

:

00:55:23,203 --> 00:55:24,573

cut him out and did the thing.

:

00:55:24,643 --> 00:55:24,983

Yeah.

:

00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:25,680

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:26,393 --> 00:55:26,663

Xhafer: Um,

:

00:55:26,663 --> 00:55:27,753

it's exactly the same.

:

00:55:28,415 --> 00:55:33,350

We See Starbuck after Praying to the

Lords of Kobol for Leoban's Soul.

:

00:55:33,786 --> 00:55:34,276

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:55:34,386 --> 00:55:35,956

She's got her little idols.

:

00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:36,863

And

:

00:55:37,303 --> 00:55:39,293

hopes that they will take care of him.

:

00:55:39,908 --> 00:55:42,978

Xhafer: And Laura and Adama

hang out to the credits.

:

00:55:43,288 --> 00:55:44,228

That's the episode.

:

00:55:44,269 --> 00:55:46,639

Laura: Uncomfortably

hang out to the credits.

:

00:55:46,798 --> 00:55:47,328

Xhafer: For sure.

:

00:55:47,548 --> 00:55:48,438

We follow up on this

:

00:55:48,448 --> 00:55:50,338

very early in the next episode.

:

00:55:50,968 --> 00:55:53,938

They're very much one after the others.

:

00:55:54,343 --> 00:55:57,523

Laura: There's only like three days

between, if I remember my notes

:

00:55:57,523 --> 00:55:58,113

correctly.

:

00:55:58,431 --> 00:55:59,821

Xhafer: yeah, yeah, it's pretty quick.

:

00:56:00,458 --> 00:56:02,568

So, yeah, that's it.

:

00:56:03,138 --> 00:56:07,848

Well, as is Our, our way here,

we're going to rate these episodes

:

00:56:08,068 --> 00:56:10,778

on a scale of 1 to 12 colonies.

:

00:56:11,251 --> 00:56:14,881

Glo, as our guest, you

have a right of first

:

00:56:14,881 --> 00:56:15,281

rating.

:

00:56:15,281 --> 00:56:16,286

Okay.

:

00:56:16,318 --> 00:56:22,408

Glo: Um, I, this is interesting

because I feel like not a lot.

:

00:56:22,908 --> 00:56:28,468

moved forward plot wise but a lot moved

forward character development wise.

:

00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:34,165

Um, I'll give it, I'll give it a 9

out of 12 compared to like what I

:

00:56:34,165 --> 00:56:35,645

know is coming up and like what I've

:

00:56:35,645 --> 00:56:36,415

seen, you know?

:

00:56:36,662 --> 00:56:38,873

the gamut!

:

00:56:38,873 --> 00:56:40,224

Woohoo!

:

00:56:40,667 --> 00:56:41,037

Xhafer: Laura?

:

00:56:41,636 --> 00:56:46,816

Laura: Oh, man, I was ready to

throw it in the toilet when we

:

00:56:46,816 --> 00:56:49,386

had Baltar and 6PT show up again.

:

00:56:49,386 --> 00:56:50,626

I was so mad about that.

:

00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:52,070

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:56:52,116 --> 00:56:54,036

Laura: wanted a fucking

break from those two.

:

00:56:55,482 --> 00:57:02,202

But yeah, it's a big development

episode in that we're seeing the

:

00:57:02,212 --> 00:57:05,142

softer side of Starbuck at the end.

:

00:57:07,562 --> 00:57:11,742

We've kind of seen a lot of touchy feely

soft out of Rosalyn as she tries to

:

00:57:11,792 --> 00:57:16,931

get people to get along and get things

all, all going the same direction.

:

00:57:16,941 --> 00:57:21,181

She's done a lot of diplomacy and now

we've seen her just be complete hard ass.

:

00:57:22,369 --> 00:57:23,639

and that is interesting.

:

00:57:23,739 --> 00:57:26,899

So I, I'm gonna 9 out

of 10, or 9 out of 12,

:

00:57:26,929 --> 00:57:28,369

like, glow as well.

:

00:57:28,625 --> 00:57:33,505

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, I'd say

overall I enjoyed the episode.

:

00:57:33,835 --> 00:57:37,575

There's a lot of big stuff that's

foreshadowed in this episode.

:

00:57:37,575 --> 00:57:41,175

There's a lot of little stuff

that's foreshadowed in this episode.

:

00:57:41,195 --> 00:57:42,845

I

:

00:57:43,082 --> 00:57:43,442

Laura: review.

:

00:57:43,472 --> 00:57:43,792

Okay.

:

00:57:44,205 --> 00:57:45,235

Xhafer: am doing a high well, I

:

00:57:45,245 --> 00:57:45,775

have to.

:

00:57:46,395 --> 00:57:47,835

I I that is where I live.

:

00:57:48,065 --> 00:57:48,585

Um,

:

00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:56,692

But, overall, it's like, I have to admit,

it is colored by the fact that I've

:

00:57:56,692 --> 00:58:00,812

already watched the next episode, because

I watched and did notes back to back.

:

00:58:00,998 --> 00:58:01,498

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:07,237

Xhafer: And the next episode, I have a

lot stronger feelings about than this

:

00:58:07,388 --> 00:58:08,068

Laura: Same.

:

00:58:09,227 --> 00:58:11,677

Xhafer: And so, part of me is

all like, yeah, it was okay.

:

00:58:12,017 --> 00:58:14,287

Because I know how I

feel about the next one.

:

00:58:14,527 --> 00:58:19,627

And I have a lot of, a lot of things to

yell at this microphone next episode.

:

00:58:19,818 --> 00:58:20,578

Laura: I can't wait.

:

00:58:20,578 --> 00:58:21,888

I'm sure Ryan will, too.

:

00:58:22,194 --> 00:58:25,324

Xhafer: I was texting him to like

set up the recording time, right?

:

00:58:25,704 --> 00:58:28,397

And he was just like I chose right.

:

00:58:30,167 --> 00:58:32,027

It's like all he had to say about it.

:

00:58:32,047 --> 00:58:34,737

It's just not like, all right, you did.

:

00:58:35,447 --> 00:58:38,557

But I would say probably

an 8 out of 12 for me

:

00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:39,573

Laura: Okay.

:

00:58:39,623 --> 00:58:40,323

Xhafer: Overall.

:

00:58:41,148 --> 00:58:43,908

Glow, do you have anything

else you want to talk about?

:

00:58:43,908 --> 00:58:44,438

Anything?

:

00:58:45,278 --> 00:58:46,888

It's been a pleasure to have you on here.

:

00:58:47,168 --> 00:58:49,338

Um, this is your first time on Who R U?

:

00:58:49,592 --> 00:58:53,172

as we discussed, you've done

LTO, you're on Cool Girls, Don't

:

00:58:53,172 --> 00:58:58,372

Look At Explosions, so now you've

completed the PodFam trifecta.

:

00:59:00,452 --> 00:59:05,172

You've been on all of the currently

airing shows on the What Happened

:

00:59:05,172 --> 00:59:07,472

Here Network which is a blast.

:

00:59:07,962 --> 00:59:09,762

It was great to have you on.

:

00:59:10,325 --> 00:59:10,705

Laura: Uh Huh.

:

00:59:11,215 --> 00:59:12,365

Will you come back for season

:

00:59:12,365 --> 00:59:12,705

two?

:

00:59:12,705 --> 00:59:13,905

Do you have anything in mind?

:

00:59:13,945 --> 00:59:14,975

Maybe we'll let you pick your

:

00:59:14,975 --> 00:59:15,105

own

:

00:59:15,105 --> 00:59:15,875

episode this time.

:

00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:20,010

Glo: Man, I would absolutely love

to come back and it, you know,

:

00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:25,041

it, it's really nice to hang

out and, be with your friends.

:

00:59:25,081 --> 00:59:29,872

Obviously, this is great and, I know

your guys original concept for this is,

:

00:59:29,882 --> 00:59:32,062

you know, the who are you thing, right?

:

00:59:32,352 --> 00:59:36,147

And through you guys doing

The who are you, I know who

:

00:59:36,147 --> 00:59:38,227

Laura is now, which is amazing.

:

00:59:38,237 --> 00:59:41,657

And I don't know, we've just kind

of been building the pod family.

:

00:59:41,667 --> 00:59:45,396

And, you know, we have, a

really awesome discord now.

:

00:59:45,396 --> 00:59:48,266

And it's, it's just become a

really cool little community.

:

00:59:48,266 --> 00:59:49,816

We've been building around ourselves.

:

00:59:50,712 --> 00:59:52,632

It's hard to do that in your 30s, you

:

00:59:52,632 --> 00:59:52,882

know.

:

00:59:53,108 --> 00:59:54,748

Laura: Yeah, really cool social

:

00:59:54,758 --> 00:59:55,718

media person

:

00:59:56,368 --> 00:59:57,508

keeping us out there.

:

00:59:58,398 --> 00:59:59,448

She does the best.

:

00:59:59,598 --> 01:00:00,778

Glo: Aw, thanks guys.

:

01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,280

Laura: Okay,

:

01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:02,630

well,

:

01:00:02,835 --> 01:00:03,385

Glo: friend.

:

01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,810

Laura: Thank you for being here

:

01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:06,010

with

:

01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:06,400

us.

:

01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,636

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:

01:00:09,906 --> 01:00:12,096

The only Jeremy Siegel that matters on.

:

01:00:12,511 --> 01:00:15,701

Bandcamp or Spotify or any

of the other platforms.

:

01:00:15,721 --> 01:00:22,321

You can catch him there as Nuclear Jaguar

and If you can go see him live in Florida,

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then why haven't you done that yet?

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He's playing with the savants He's

playing with the late night losers

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He's playing with the person's unknown.

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Get yourself to those places Thank you

to angry duck time machine on Instagram

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for our podcast artwork We really

appreciate our cute little selves and

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uh, thanks listeners for being here.

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If you want to continue the

conversation, just hop on over to our

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Discord, linked in the show notes.

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And thanks again, Glow.

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It

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was a great

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time.

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Glo: Yeah.

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Thanks, Laura.

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And

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thank you, Ja'far.

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Laura: if you want more of

Glow, come catch us both on Cool

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Girls Don't Look at Explosions.

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Glo: Yeah.

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Laura: Bye guys.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.