BSG S1E10 - Oops, All Cylons (Featuring Victor from Dominion Media TV)

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci

fi watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends, who are currently

watching Battlestar Galactica: 2004

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I'm Jafar.

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Laura: and I always forget to

put in the reasonably well done

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part, but it's so important

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Xhafer: so important.

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Laura: is Lara

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Xhafer: And we've got a

friend with us today, Vic.

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Hey, Vic.

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Victor: Hey, glad to be

back here with you guys.

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You guys are my favorite

podcast to guest host on.

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Yes.

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Laura: Galactica and watching me

be super wrong about everything

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Victor: God, it is so exciting.

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I'm reliving it through you.

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like having the experience of

watching it the first time.

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It's really interesting because Babylon

5, for the longest time, was my number

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one Uh, so it was super fun being

able to guest host on you with that

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when you guys were covering Babylon

5 and then you cover story coming.

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Now you're doing Battlestar Galactica.

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I vividly remember Being so hooked on

this show when it first came out and

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we had little watch parties at my house

like my roommates We would come over and

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we'd watch the new episode together this

is back when before the streaming days

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when you actually had to wait until the

day in time and set a reminder and you

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know, shut your phone off and Someone

you know, someone would call and be all

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just like don't turn your phone off.

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Yes

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Victor: it.

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I'm like, man, I love the show, but

still Babylon five is my number one.

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And I held that held onto that until

the season finale of season one.

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And I got to say, you're, I cannot wait

to listen to the episode of you, you

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know, because after that one, after

it ended, I was like, Oh, that did it.

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You got crown crown, the

new king of sci fi for me.

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And Battlestar Galactica held that

spot until the Expanse came along, so.

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So, for my personal rankings, this

is a very important thing to me.

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My mental spreadsheet of all my

favorite sci fi franchises and whatnot.

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So,

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Laura: Wow.

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This is a strong endorsement.

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And we only have a few

episodes left to get to

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Victor: I know, I'm so excited to

hear your reaction to the finale.

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It's

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Laura: gosh, I'm excited now.

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Xhafer: I, in the spoiler chat, I

have predicted a moment where you

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are going to message or call me.

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Victor: Ha, same.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Laura: I can't wait.

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I can't

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Victor: Ha ha ha Yeah, it's,

it's really I feel like The

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What's the word I'm looking for?

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This new, new golden era of sci fi

TV Is largely in part to Battlestar

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Galactica, because I remember this

show, it brought in a lot of the

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mainstream audience, you know people

who are typically not sci fi fans

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We're really into Battlestar Galactica.

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I remember at the time, my sister

in law at the time was living with

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us in our apartment and we would be

watching the newest PSG episode in

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the living room and she'd come in

to get something from the fridge.

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And next thing you know, she's

like parked, I see herself, I see

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her parked up behind us watching

a show like, Whoa, what, who's

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this red lady that no one can see?

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Like, what's going on here?

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Or the lady in the red dress and shit.

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And then she'd be into it.

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And then we would like, okay, well,

we got to start the season over

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because you have to get caught up.

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You can't just jump in.

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You have to we restarted season one so

many times because we would have friends

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over and be like, you haven't seen it yet.

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Okay.

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Pull up a chair.

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Yeah.

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That was, that was good times.

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Good memories.

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Yeah.

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And uh, so when it was first airing,

another little thing I wanted to talk

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about like in relation to Babylon five

as well when the show first aired, they

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occasionally had like, an after show,

kind of like the, the ready room almost

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Laura: Oh,

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Victor: like occasionally they would do

that and it would have Rondy more in there

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and they'd be talking about like the,

the writing and the background and stuff.

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And I remember, so, There was uh, it was

the episode where, so, you know, no, no

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spoilers but it was the episode where they

finally revealed the identity of the, of

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the final Cylon and it was a big deal.

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And I remember watching Ron D.

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Moore talk with him and he said

like, yeah, so we got together

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with the writer of the room and we.

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Started tossing around ideas about

who the final Cylon should be, And

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we just kept on coming back to uh,

yeah, it had to be this person.

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And we were all just in agreed,

in agreeance, and I'm like, wait a

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minute, wait a minute, You didn't have

this planned out from the beginning?

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You're telling me, like, I didn't know how

TV, like, typical TV writing worked back

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then, And, I was like, offended, almost,

like, You've been taking me on this ride,

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and you don't even know where we're going?

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Like, what the

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Laura: you bought into

the JMS, is what you did.

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Victor: exactly, as, as much as a

personal beef I have with JMS now uh,

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Xhafer: ha

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Victor: I do gotta say

he kinda spoiled me,

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Xhafer: Heh heh heh heh.

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Victor: Well, he knows where reason will

be well done, so, yeah yeah, I was just,

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um, shocked, cause yeah, JMS set that

standard for me, I just love the fact

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that all throughout the series it had the

same consistent thing, cause didn't you,

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I think it was on this show that I found

out from you guys that He was he wrote

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every episode except like one or two.

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Xhafer: He wrote, so, in seasons

one and two, he would have friends

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or esteemed writers kinda do

it, take it one here or there.

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And then, I wanna say it's Two thirds

of the way through season two, he

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wrote everything until Season five's

He Who Will Not Be Named episode.

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Laura: Right, yeah, yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, yeah, no, I mean, this

was a time and a place for sure.

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Uh, I was in college when this was airing,

and it was definitely a, like, event.

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Like, I was already a sci fi nerd,

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Victor: Mm

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Xhafer: so that wasn't new, but definitely

definitely was, like, requisite,

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like, oh, it's uh, you know, it's

Wednesdays or whatever it was airing on.

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most of college is a blur

for a number of reasons.

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Um,

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Laura: Weird, yeah.

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Xhafer: crazy how that happens.

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Couldn't possibly have

been all the alcohol.

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Anyways

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Victor: I remember the, for the, for the

season finale I was playing Eve online

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at the time and The people in my guild,

I think they're called corporations.

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It was basically a guild and an MMO.

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A lot of them lived in the UK and one of

them sent me a link for like a torrent

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to download the season because it aired

like a week earlier for them in the UK.

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So they had already seen

the season finale and any.

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It did a file share for me and we all,

me and my roommates, we all watched

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it a day early on my computer,

just huddled around it, like, you

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know, the big CRT monitor and shit.

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And that was pretty epic.

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And I want to say, I think

the UK version has a different

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intro song than the U S version.

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I'll have to look that up.

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Laura: That's a thing that happens

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Xhafer: I think the theme song

changes after season one, if you're

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Victor: Hmm.

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Xhafer: doesn't it?

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Anyways,

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Laura: We'll find

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out.

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Xhafer: out in a couple weeks.

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Yeah, we're not that far away.

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Um, but yeah, so we're

not at the season finale.

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We're, a couple episodes before, we're at

season one, episode 10, The Hand of God.

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Now, now,

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Victor: Hand of Dog.

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Xhafer: That's just your dyslexia.

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Um, you picked this episode,

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Victor: Yes, I did.

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Xhafer: So I gotta ask, why this episode?

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Or if you wanna save it till at the end.

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Victor: uh, It is simply, it's,

it's my, it's my favorite, second

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favorite episode of season one.

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My favorite being the finale,

and I thought it would just be

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presumptuous of me just to jump

in for the finale episode, so,

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Xhafer: Hmm.

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That's what, that's the

one Beth picked, so.

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Victor: oh,

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Xhafer: heh heh heh heh

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Laura: Beth has privilege, I suppose.

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Certain, certain privileges.

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Victor: Totally understandable.

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Xhafer: I, I, I believe her

exact reason was, You know me.

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I want the most dramatic bitch

episode that's in that season.

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Heh heh heh heh heh.

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Victor: Yeah.

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So, mm hmm, it's, oh god, I'm so excited.

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I won't, yeah.

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Ah, I can't wait to hear

your reaction, Laura.

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It's gonna be so good.

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Xhafer: but

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Victor: two seasons

aren't my favorite, but

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Xhafer: oh yeah,

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Victor: doing it on a binge

watch these days is a lot better.

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I just remember being really

upset back in the day, having to

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wait a week in between episodes.

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And

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Xhafer: the like year in between the

first half and the second half of

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season four was fucking miserable.

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Victor: And this was the era where

they were doing mid season finales

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or mid season breaks because

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Xhafer: this and Breaking Bad

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Victor: yeah, Breaking Bad Walking Dead,

a lot of them, they discovered that the

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highest ratings come from the finale.

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So they were all just like, well,

we can't have, we can't have more

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finales, but, but wait, could we, you

know, the TV executives are all just

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sitting around like, how can we milk

more, more ratings out of our audience?

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You know?

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Xhafer: And you can't make it another

season, because if it's another

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season, you have to renegotiate because

everyone gets signed for seasons.

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Not num well, I mean it's changed

since then, but that used to be how

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it was, is you get signed for seasons.

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And so they would split it

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Victor: yeah,

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,

Xhafer: Alright, well, let's get into this episode.

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We open on a press conference.

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The fleet is almost out of tillium.

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It's starship fuel, guys, this is bad.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: When asked about a backup plan if

the fleet runs out of fuel, Rosalyn has

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a Kamala induced vision of seeing snakes.

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Kamala tried to get us all to see snakes,

and that didn't go too well, did it?

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Victor: knew you were going to make it.

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Xhafer: That was uh,

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Victor: Yeah, no, I

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Xhafer: yeah, too real?

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Sorry.

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Um,

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Victor: on top of current events,

you know, that we can't just

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Xhafer: how else will this

podcast feel dated in six months

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if we don't reference current

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events?

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Victor: Fair enough.

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That's good enough.

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Yeah, so in this episode here, I

don't know if I just never, yeah, I

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never noticed this before, but I'm

just gonna drop this in the discord.

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I took a screenshot of this, this

press conference we have here.

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The guy in the front row here.

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My dude in the front row

here, is he holding a

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Laura: you like, took little props

from other sci fi shows and used them

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as other stuff in your sci fi show?

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Victor: Like that doesn't look

like any microphone I've seen.

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That looks like a freaking phaser.

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Is she about to stun the president or

is he about to stun the president here?

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Laura: ha ha ha.

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Xhafer: I like the, like, 2000s

era minicam that the uh, the the

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person behind the phaser holder has.

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Like that is straight up a piece of

technology that I have seen in person.

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Victor: is one thing I love about

the setting that is just kind of

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brilliant seeing is how this, this

uh, series takes place a long time

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ago in a galaxy far, far away, you

know, in cobalt, um, the colonies and

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everything they can create their own.

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technology thing.

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It's not like other TV shows, like

we watch I don't know, like, say

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in Star Trek TNG, like in the very

first season, they had printers on

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every deck, where they would print

out the orders on paper and stuff.

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That, and we're just

like, that's ridiculous.

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And so the technology

doesn't feel out of place.

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But here, since it's a completely

separate, you know, fictional universe,

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they can do whatever they want.

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And I think that's really brilliant.

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I like that a lot.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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So, uh, Rosalind bails out

of this conference here uh,

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Victor: Ever

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Xhafer: she has these visions.

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We cut over to Crashdown and Boomer,

who are searching for Tillum.

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Yes, it is Starkiller.

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And instead of making us wait a

whole fucking episode, we find

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the Tillium before credits.

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Laura: Yeah.

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They're really good at

finding stuff we need.

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Xhafer: These two.

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Victor: that down.

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there's a term for that.

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He, what, what they do, they,

they bring up more Boomer brings

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up the fact that they, they also

found, was it water previously?

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Yeah.

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And they, she, it's called

lampshading from what I understand.

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It's a trope where if you, if

Something weird and obvious that

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doesn't feel like based in reality.

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Just the fact that these two main

characters will always be making the

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important discoveries or they put a

lampshade on it just to point it out.

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Be like, I I'm pretty sure

these two also later find make

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another important discovery.

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I should know.

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No, no, but

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yeah.

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Laura: okay.

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I loved that Crashdown was, like, doing

the percussive maintenance on the, the TV.

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But it's weird that it was, like,

malfunctioning, and he, he baps it

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a little, and we found the thing!

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You know, I

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was like, hmm, this is so suspicious.

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I'm so suspicious.

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But, we found Tillium.

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Yay!

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But, oh no!

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Oops!

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Someone else is already here.

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Victor: it's not stupid,

it is in fact Cylon.

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Laura: We go to theme we come

back, Galactica's looking a little

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beat up in this little flyby we

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Victor: so good.

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I love the attention to detail

there as the seasons go by.

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Um, they're consistent with the

battle damage on the Galactica

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because Yeah, it makes sense.

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It's not like Star Trek Voyager

where it's just magically

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cleaned and vacuumed every week.

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But no, those scars, they are

consistent on the galactic hull.

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I love that detail.

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It's by, you know, minor spoiler, but

by season five she looks like shit.

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Yeah.

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Laura: D.

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Moore had gotten to run Voyager?

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What she would have looked like.

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Victor: Yeah, well there

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Laura: That'd be fun.

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Xhafer: So yeah, we have

a senior staff meeting.

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They're talking a plan.

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And the old man here says what

they were all trying to avoid.

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They're gonna have to fight the

Cylons and take this Tillium.

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Victor: Hell yeah!

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heh

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: he brings up the, the valid point.

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They have the only advantage that they

ever will at any point, which is surprise.

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Victor: hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Seemingly, anyway.

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I don't know.

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Do we?

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Xhafer: So, they start to talk

about a plan here, and Adama goes

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and recruits Mary Starbuck for

some outside of the box thinking.

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Laura: Oh,

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Victor: know, at first I was like, I

thought this was a little, um, Tropy.

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I don't want to use the word Mary

Sue, but it kind of like, you

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know, she's the main character.

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: 00:15:07

So

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: 00:15:07

Xhafer: Well, I mean,

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: 00:15:09

Laura: I, I don't feel like this

is Mary Suey if we had not done

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: 00:15:13

that silly interrogation episode.

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: 00:15:16

That's what kind of like

pushes it a little bit.

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: 00:15:18

It's like, maybe we could have pulled

her back for that one, so we do this one.

332

: 00:15:22

Cause this makes a lot of sense.

333

: 00:15:23

This makes more sense than the sniper.

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: 00:15:26

Victor: the sniper was too much.

335

: 00:15:27

I feel like that was too much.

336

: 00:15:29

But the interrogation thing

I could, I rationalized.

337

: 00:15:33

I just figured they were

like, okay, it's a problem.

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: 00:15:36

Personnel is a problem for

our, our heroes here because,

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: 00:15:41

you know, there's less than

50, 000 people left in the

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: 00:15:44

human race.

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: 00:15:45

So there's a shortage on qualified

personnel in certain areas.

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: 00:15:48

Laura: For everything.

343

: 00:15:49

Yeah.

344

: 00:15:50

Victor: so they were like, we have

the Cylon, we need to interrogate him.

345

: 00:15:53

We don't have a trained

interrogator anywhere.

346

: 00:15:55

Who do we know that can

really get under your skin?

347

: 00:15:57

And Colonel Tye is like, Heheheheh Colonel

Tye is like, I have just the person.

348

: 00:16:02

Laura: Yeah.

349

: 00:16:03

Victor: Heheheheheh Yeah.

350

: 00:16:08

I could see them bringing in, Adama

wanting to bring in Starbuck because,

351

: 00:16:13

I've, I've seen it in, you know,

workplace environments where if you

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: 00:16:17

have one person who's good at something,

the management tends to heavily rely

353

: 00:16:22

on that one person for everything.

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: 00:16:24

I have been said person before and I was

back when I gave a shit about my career.

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: 00:16:29

But anyway,

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: 00:16:32

uh, So yeah, then.

357

: 00:16:34

It's like understandable now.

358

: 00:16:35

It's all just like, okay, well, you

just have starbuck do everything because

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: 00:16:38

she is the best pilot, you know She's

probably got the most confirmed Cylon

360

: 00:16:43

kills and everything which I Really

want to want to know more about the

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: 00:16:48

backstory of the characters here.

362

: 00:16:50

It's touched on a little bit in Caprica,

but You know the Cylons they've been

363

: 00:16:56

the They disappeared for 50 years so

all of these Everyone in the colonial

364

: 00:17:03

military here for the majority of

them, this is their first, I think,

365

: 00:17:07

at least, I think it would be their

first experience with like real combat.

366

: 00:17:11

So, I

367

: 00:17:11

Xhafer: So, they do reference

putting down Tom Zarek's uprising?

368

: 00:17:18

Victor: Okay, yeah.

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: 00:17:19

In Caprica, we get a little bit of that.

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: 00:17:21

We see that there was conflict

between the separate colonies.

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: 00:17:26

I don't know, has it been established

yet that the twelve colonies are

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: 00:17:29

actually twelve different planets?

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: 00:17:31

Laura: Yeah.

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: 00:17:32

Yeah, that was pretty clear to me.

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: 00:17:34

Victor: Yeah.

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: 00:17:34

There's a, there's a, a map out there.

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: 00:17:36

You know what?

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: 00:17:36

I'll find it and I'll check to make

sure it doesn't have any spoilers

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: 00:17:39

and then I'll post it in the discord.

380

: 00:17:41

But there's a star map that, that

has the 12 colonies of cobalt.

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: 00:17:46

And I think it's at least two

separate star systems that are

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: 00:17:50

in close proximity to each other.

383

: 00:17:52

And it has all the, all

the separate planets.

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: 00:17:54

If Caprica would have got renewed for

a second season, I have a feeling we

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: 00:17:57

would have seen more of the other.

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: 00:17:59

Planets, like I want to see,

because they're all named after,

387

: 00:18:02

Laura: Like a constellation,

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: 00:18:03

right, or?

389

: 00:18:04

Victor: And I want to

see, like me, I'm a Libra.

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: 00:18:06

I wanted to see more of Libran.

391

: 00:18:08

But we only ever get, only

get one shot of, of Libran.

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: 00:18:11

And it's apparently famous

for its ancient courthouses.

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: 00:18:14

So, because Libra is

a balance scale thing.

394

: 00:18:17

Yeah.

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: 00:18:17

Laura: Yeah.

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: 00:18:17

Justice sort of thing.

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: 00:18:19

Victor: It's pretty cool.

398

: 00:18:20

Yeah.

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: 00:18:20

Laura: Yeah.

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: 00:18:21

Xhafer: Rosalind talks to

Priestess Aloysia after

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: 00:18:25

Laura: Yeah.

402

: 00:18:25

We've seen her before,

403

: 00:18:27

Xhafer: Yeah, she was there

for the so say we alls.

404

: 00:18:29

Victor: Yeah, she was in the

original two part miniseries,

405

: 00:18:35

Laura: miniseries?

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: 00:18:35

Yeah.

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: 00:18:36

Mm

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: 00:18:36

Victor: Yeah.

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: 00:18:37

She's a recurring character.

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: 00:18:38

Yeah.

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: 00:18:38

We see her more.

412

: 00:18:39

Xhafer: and uh, you know, Rosalind

is describing her visions to her, and

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: 00:18:44

she's all like, you're fucking with me.

414

: 00:18:47

Victor: Yeah.

415

: 00:18:48

Are you fracking with me?

416

: 00:18:50

Xhafer: Yeah, because this is like,

you're literally quoting an ancient

417

: 00:18:52

prophecy of the leader who's destined

to bring us to a new land right now.

418

: 00:18:57

Victor: and she tells her, it's all

just like, yeah, but that can't be

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: 00:19:00

you because they said according to the

ancient scriptures, she, the, the leader

420

: 00:19:05

was suffering from a, a mortal disease,

421

: 00:19:08

Xhafer: A wasting disease.

422

: 00:19:11

Victor: Yeah, and Rosalind's,

like, quiet, so, yeah.

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: 00:19:15

I love, I love her reaction,

because, yeah, like you said,

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: 00:19:19

like, you're shittin me, right?

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: 00:19:20

You're just, this is kinda like

426

: 00:19:22

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

427

: 00:19:24

Laura: Yeah, and she basically

tells her you're not going to

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: 00:19:26

live to, to see Earth, basically.

429

: 00:19:29

Xhafer: Yeah, the key here was the

leader takes them to the promised

430

: 00:19:33

land, but dies before they get there.

431

: 00:19:36

Laura: Yeah, so this was a, an ancient

prophet who first saw this, Pythia.

432

: 00:19:40

Yeah,

433

: 00:19:43

Xhafer: Yeah, this is old,

434

: 00:19:45

old, ancient, religious text.

435

: 00:19:48

And this is also where this is

all happened before this will

436

: 00:19:51

all happen again comes from.

437

: 00:19:53

Victor: And it said they were led

by serpents numbering two in ten.

438

: 00:19:57

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

439

: 00:19:58

Mm

440

: 00:19:59

hmm.

441

: 00:20:01

Laura: She supposedly saw a

dozen snakes on her podium.

442

: 00:20:04

I can't tell you guys how many times I

paused to look at the different snakes

443

: 00:20:07

and see what kind of snakes

444

: 00:20:09

Victor: Did you see the one that was,

there was that old thing I learned

445

: 00:20:12

as a kid to tell the difference

446

: 00:20:13

Laura: Uh Huh.

447

: 00:20:14

Which is not totally accurate.

448

: 00:20:16

So don't go by that.

449

: 00:20:17

Victor: Of course.

450

: 00:20:18

Typically.

451

: 00:20:18

Everything I fucking learned in school

has just turned out to be wrong.

452

: 00:20:21

Ha

453

: 00:20:22

Laura: problem is

454

: 00:20:23

Victor: ha ha.

455

: 00:20:24

Yeah, exactly, just

don't fuck with snakes.

456

: 00:20:26

But yeah, one of them was, was, had

red, black, and yellow stripes on it.

457

: 00:20:30

And isn't it Isn't it the coral

snake that's super venomous?

458

: 00:20:34

Laura: Coralsnake is the bad one.

459

: 00:20:35

I believe it's Milksnake?

460

: 00:20:37

Or maybe there's a Scarlet something.

461

: 00:20:39

Yeah, there's, there's one that's fine.

462

: 00:20:41

This is the one that's fine.

463

: 00:20:43

Victor: then you're They

will kill Stringfellow.

464

: 00:20:46

Kil

465

: 00:20:54

Xhafer: had to worry about rattlesnakes.

466

: 00:20:56

Up north here, that's the only snakes

that we have that are a problem.

467

: 00:20:59

So,

468

: 00:21:00

Laura: let you know.

469

: 00:21:01

They do the

470

: 00:21:02

thing.

471

: 00:21:02

Duh duh duh duh

472

: 00:21:03

duh

473

: 00:21:04

Xhafer: any, all rattlesnakes

have stopped rattling.

474

: 00:21:07

Victor: You've heard about this?

475

: 00:21:08

Yeah.

476

: 00:21:08

It's

477

: 00:21:08

Xhafer: Oh, wait, no, I

have heard about this.

478

: 00:21:10

Because the, the like, bone

won't form properly anymore

479

: 00:21:16

because of some pesticide.

480

: 00:21:17

Victor: from what I understand,

it's, it's, we're seeing, we're

481

: 00:21:21

seeing evolution happen within our

lifetime because the snakes that the

482

: 00:21:26

rattlesnakes that don't rattle before

they strike the farmer or whoever it

483

: 00:21:30

Laura: They don't get killed by

484

: 00:21:31

the human.

485

: 00:21:32

Victor: The ones that do

rattle are being killed off.

486

: 00:21:35

So the ones that don't

rattle are breeding.

487

: 00:21:39

And, you know, and inheriting that gene,

488

: 00:21:42

Laura: That's wild.

489

: 00:21:43

Victor: are getting fucking stealthy!

490

: 00:21:46

That's scary!

491

: 00:21:48

Xhafer: Boo!

492

: 00:21:49

Stay obvious!

493

: 00:21:50

Boo!

494

: 00:21:51

Heh heh

495

: 00:21:52

Laura: like obvious.

496

: 00:21:53

We will just leave.

497

: 00:21:54

We won't kill you.

498

: 00:21:55

I promise.

499

: 00:21:56

Victor: my fans on DMTV, um she's one

of the people in the DMTV chess club that

500

: 00:22:01

I play with, and I mentioned something

about, yeah, if you're ever in, visit

501

: 00:22:05

the, the state, she lives in London, and

I'm like, if you ever visit the states,

502

: 00:22:08

you should come visit, and she goes,

No, I'm not gonna visit America, you're

503

: 00:22:11

full of, you're full of rattlesnakes!

504

: 00:22:13

And I'm like, what?

505

: 00:22:14

She goes, yeah, I'm always seeing

things in the news about, you

506

: 00:22:16

know, about, you know, snakes!

507

: 00:22:18

Rattlesnakes!

508

: 00:22:19

I hate snakes!

509

: 00:22:19

I'm like, there's not

rattlesnakes everywhere, stop

510

: 00:22:21

Laura: They're, they're really

not as bad as Australian snakes.

511

: 00:22:24

Australia is where you don't want to go.

512

: 00:22:26

Like, we've got good

513

: 00:22:27

Victor: ha ha

514

: 00:22:28

Laura: can anti venom all

of those ones in Australia.

515

: 00:22:31

That's pretty scary.

516

: 00:22:32

Victor: then, and then a week, like

literally a week later my mother's

517

: 00:22:36

little dog, she has this little Chihuahua

was bitten in the eye by a rattlesnake

518

: 00:22:40

out in her house.

519

: 00:22:41

Thank God she's okay.

520

: 00:22:43

She healed up, but she

sent me the pictures.

521

: 00:22:44

I felt so sorry for this little thing.

522

: 00:22:46

She was, had one eye all swollen

up, but she, by some miracle,

523

: 00:22:50

survived a rattlesnake attack.

524

: 00:22:51

And it was a tiny little

525

: 00:22:52

Laura: we have good anti-venoms

if she went to the vet, like,

526

: 00:22:55

these anti-venoms are good folks.

527

: 00:22:57

Don't say no to anti-venom if you get bit.

528

: 00:22:59

Yeah,

529

: 00:23:00

Xhafer: heh

530

: 00:23:01

Victor: so there's anti vaxxers,

are they anti anti anti venomers?

531

: 00:23:05

Laura: Well, there's people who are

like, oh, you know, 'cause I, I think

532

: 00:23:08

it's made there, there's horse horses

involved, like horse antibodies in

533

: 00:23:13

the process of making anti-venom.

534

: 00:23:15

And I guess it's common

to be allergic to horses.

535

: 00:23:17

So people worry like, oh, I'm

gonna have an allergic reaction.

536

: 00:23:20

You can treat an allergic

reaction, get the anti anti-venom

537

: 00:23:24

Victor: I know rattlesnake venom is used

for treating arthritis, I want to say.

538

: 00:23:28

Is that arthritis?

539

: 00:23:29

Some condition.

540

: 00:23:30

Laura: sounds familiar, yeah.

541

: 00:23:32

This is SnakeCast,

542

: 00:23:34

everyone.

543

: 00:23:34

Welcome to

544

: 00:23:34

Victor: yeah!

545

: 00:23:36

ha

546

: 00:23:36

ha

547

: 00:23:37

Xhafer: Don't fuck with snakes.

548

: 00:23:38

We go over to the war room.

549

: 00:23:39

Where Starbuck gets paid the

worst compliment ever by her boss.

550

: 00:23:44

She is not weighed down

by conventional thinking.

551

: 00:23:49

Victor: ha!

552

: 00:23:50

I mean, that's accurate!

553

: 00:23:51

Xhafer: now Vic.

554

: 00:23:52

Laura: I aspire to not be weighed

down by conventional thinking, so.

555

: 00:23:56

Xhafer: feel like you might hear this

more in a military setting than you

556

: 00:23:59

would a traditional work setting.

557

: 00:24:01

If my boss said this to me, I would be

like, probably walking for the door.

558

: 00:24:08

Like, there's no way that this can

be pulled off as a compliment, right?

559

: 00:24:14

Victor: in my experience,

I've never heard that before.

560

: 00:24:17

They're It, no, I've never heard anyone

advocate for outside the box thinking,

561

: 00:24:22

like, in, in my experience, the,

562

: 00:24:25

Xhafer: Well, even if you

563

: 00:24:25

Laura: The army loves a box.

564

: 00:24:27

Xhafer: say

565

: 00:24:27

Victor: their fucking box, dude.

566

: 00:24:29

They're all just like, no,

we're going to go with the box.

567

: 00:24:31

Even though it's outdated and

stinky and moldy and falling

568

: 00:24:36

apart, we're using the fucking box.

569

: 00:24:39

Yeah.

570

: 00:24:40

Fuck that box.

571

: 00:24:41

God damn it.

572

: 00:24:42

Anyway.

573

: 00:24:43

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

574

: 00:24:43

She doesn't think their plan is

any good, and she has reasons why.

575

: 00:24:47

And

576

: 00:24:48

yeah, okay,

577

: 00:24:49

Xhafer: She starts to

578

: 00:24:50

Laura: let's let the lady cook,

579

: 00:24:51

Xhafer: yeah.

580

: 00:24:52

And then we cut over to her

pitching the plan to the president.

581

: 00:24:56

Victor: Because it involved borrowing

a couple of uh, civilian ships.

582

: 00:25:00

Xhafer: Yeah, gonna have

to have some civvy bait.

583

: 00:25:02

Laura: Decoys.

584

: 00:25:03

Yeah.

585

: 00:25:04

Are we using the civilian pilots

as decoys, or do we at least put

586

: 00:25:07

military pilots in the civilian

587

: 00:25:08

Victor: Oh, that's never

they never clarified that.

588

: 00:25:11

Huh.

589

: 00:25:11

Xhafer: The way they talk about it,

they're like, we'll just tell them to

590

: 00:25:13

hightail it as soon as there's trouble.

591

: 00:25:15

Victor: Sounds, sounds like it's the,

592

: 00:25:17

Xhafer: Civilian

593

: 00:25:18

Laura: the civvies, yeah.

594

: 00:25:19

Yeah.

595

: 00:25:19

Yeah.

596

: 00:25:20

Xhafer: I mean, at this point,

any pilot has to be ready

597

: 00:25:25

Laura: You're now a military

598

: 00:25:26

Xhafer: Yeah, like, uh, you have

to be ready for that quick jump.

599

: 00:25:30

You get, You got good at it the first

time, and if you didn't get good at it

600

: 00:25:34

the first time, you got good at it in

the first hundred, or you didn't make it.

601

: 00:25:39

Victor: I loved the guy, um, I wish

he would've, we would've brought

602

: 00:25:42

him back, brought him back for

the series, but in the original.

603

: 00:25:45

Mini series, the the pilot of

Colonial One, that Apollo befriends,

604

: 00:25:51

when the attacks happened.

605

: 00:25:53

That guy was cool.

606

: 00:25:53

I mean, he looked like an airline pilot.

607

: 00:25:56

Or a space line pilot, I guess.

608

: 00:25:57

So.

609

: 00:25:58

Laura: Yeah.

610

: 00:25:59

That would have been

fun to have that sort of

611

: 00:26:01

Victor: Yeah.

612

: 00:26:02

I would have loved more stuff, yeah, I

mean we get a little bit more of it in

613

: 00:26:06

later seasons, but I would have loved

to see more about life in the fleet,

614

: 00:26:10

Xhafer: Yeah.

615

: 00:26:11

Yeah, the cast expands a bit.

616

: 00:26:14

Victor: it does, but you know,

from a production standpoint, it's

617

: 00:26:17

just a lot cheaper to do everything

on Galactica because you don't

618

: 00:26:19

have to build new sets and all

619

: 00:26:21

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

620

: 00:26:22

Xhafer: Balter is brought in to do some

science, specifically to be all like,

621

: 00:26:26

Hey, don't go Gandhi and nuke this bitch.

622

: 00:26:33

Victor: I love a good Civ joke.

623

: 00:26:34

Xhafer: Yeah.

624

: 00:26:36

That has to be one of the most

iconic bugs in video game history.

625

: 00:26:40

Victor: I'm not so sure that was a bug.

626

: 00:26:42

Xhafer: No, no, it was.

627

: 00:26:42

So, uh, So how it worked in like

the coding of the first Civ is, The

628

: 00:26:50

leaders had a like stat on which they

would be like likelihood to nuke.

629

: 00:26:55

And they set Gandhi to the

lowest, and so if you did anything

630

: 00:26:59

that would lower it, it went

631

: 00:27:02

Victor: I'll reset to the

632

: 00:27:03

Xhafer: and went to the top.

633

: 00:27:05

And so that's why, like, if you ever

made peace with Gandhi, he would nuke

634

: 00:27:08

the shit out of you in that game.

635

: 00:27:10

It was a bug.

636

: 00:27:13

Laura: Hilarious.

637

: 00:27:15

Yeah, we can't, we can't Use the

nukes because that's gonna like,

638

: 00:27:19

Victor: They blow up the,

blow up their gasoline.

639

: 00:27:21

Yeah, that

640

: 00:27:22

Laura: Yeah.

641

: 00:27:23

Xhafer: Gaius knows what needs to be

done, but he doesn't know enough to

642

: 00:27:25

be able to spot the unrefined tanks.

643

: 00:27:29

So he asks 6PT for help

on his homework again.

644

: 00:27:34

And she can't help him, but God can.

645

: 00:27:36

And Baltar's like, wait a minute,

this is, this is Cylon God, right?

646

: 00:27:41

Right, why, why would Cylon

God help me blow up Cylons?

647

: 00:27:46

And 6PT is all like, God only cares

about your love, everything else.

648

: 00:27:53

So, so Baltar gives it a guess, and

he confesses that he guessed, and you

649

: 00:27:59

know, God, God's like a mystery, y'all.

650

: 00:28:01

Laura: Yeah, it doesn't

always speak in words.

651

: 00:28:04

Don't worry about it.

652

: 00:28:06

I, I don't know, I'm starting

to think God is a giant ruse.

653

: 00:28:09

Ha ha ha.

654

: 00:28:12

Hmm.

655

: 00:28:13

Victor: that, why, this is one of those

moments that I just cringed at and you

656

: 00:28:18

know, I have the, I get the secondhand

embarrassment a lot for, for Baltar

657

: 00:28:24

because he could have just said, I

don't know, you know, and they could

658

: 00:28:27

have like looked over it and try

to make an educated guess, but he

659

: 00:28:31

Laura: Yeah, the three of us, well,

this looks like this, and that, you

660

: 00:28:34

know,

661

: 00:28:34

like,

662

: 00:28:34

Victor: couldn't have studied it in depth,

but no, he was all just like, right there.

663

: 00:28:39

Like you're playing fucking

pin the tail on the Cylon.

664

: 00:28:41

Like what the

665

: 00:28:42

Laura: Must be smart guy.

666

: 00:28:44

Can't not be smart guy.

667

: 00:28:48

Xhafer: God, I, I've

worked with people like

668

: 00:28:51

Laura: this guy.

669

: 00:28:52

Fuck.

670

: 00:28:52

Victor: I think we've all worked

with the Baltar at some point.

671

: 00:28:57

Xhafer: Just, I have to know everything.

672

: 00:28:59

I have to be right.

673

: 00:29:00

Laura: I've cleaned up

many a mistake by a Baltar.

674

: 00:29:03

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

675

: 00:29:05

Victor: Cleaning up a Baltar mess is never

676

: 00:29:06

Xhafer: For

677

: 00:29:07

Laura: Yeah.

678

: 00:29:09

So, Adama goes to visit Starbuck in

the gym, and she's still under the

679

: 00:29:14

impression that she's gonna get to

go along and do her own plan, right?

680

: 00:29:19

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

681

: 00:29:20

Laura: And he's not having that,

because her knee has not healed

682

: 00:29:24

enough yet, and she's not gonna

be able to take the G forces.

683

: 00:29:28

Right.

684

: 00:29:28

Of, you know, spinning around doing this

thing, which I, I liked that we remembered

685

: 00:29:33

that gravity's a thing in this show.

686

: 00:29:36

Victor: Right, that,

687

: 00:29:37

Laura: They're nice and

conscious of it, where some sci

688

: 00:29:39

fi shows are just like, meh,

689

: 00:29:41

Victor: they gloss over it, it's somewhat

inconsistent, but the vipers, oh not the

690

: 00:29:45

vipers, the raptors very obviously have

artificial gravity cause I mean it's

691

: 00:29:50

a tiny little ship, but occasionally,

and I guess it's just whenever the,

692

: 00:29:56

when the production team remembered

it, occasionally they'll do a little

693

: 00:30:00

thing where something will be floating.

694

: 00:30:02

Inside a raptor, but I would

imagine the vipers themselves

695

: 00:30:06

are, they have no, they're too

696

: 00:30:08

Laura: Yeah, I mean, they're so

small, you don't need it, you're

697

: 00:30:10

just like, in the thing, right?

698

: 00:30:13

And, uh, he He's like

adding weights to her

699

: 00:30:18

training thing to make

700

: 00:30:20

Xhafer: He is setting her physical therapy

701

: 00:30:22

Victor: hmm

702

: 00:30:22

hmm

703

: 00:30:25

Laura: I, I thought the same thing.

704

: 00:30:26

I thought, Starbuck

is, she's, she's great.

705

: 00:30:30

She's a stubborn, she's a

706

: 00:30:31

Victor: ha ha

707

: 00:30:33

Laura: And is she going to blow

out her knee because she will

708

: 00:30:36

not admit that she cannot take

709

: 00:30:38

Victor: That's a very

Starbuck thing to do, I

710

: 00:30:39

can

711

: 00:30:40

Laura: uh huh.

712

: 00:30:41

Victor: Hmm

713

: 00:30:42

Xhafer: Yeah, just delay her from

getting back by a month for this.

714

: 00:30:46

You know,

715

: 00:30:47

to

716

: 00:30:47

Laura: Proving a point.

717

: 00:30:48

Yeah, yeah.

718

: 00:30:50

Xhafer: it's better than her dying because

she refused to listen to the point.

719

: 00:30:53

Laura: I mean, yeah, okay.

720

: 00:30:57

Victor: ha ha ha ha ha ha

721

: 00:30:59

Xhafer: Starbuck and Apollo after

722

: 00:31:00

Victor: ha ha ha

723

: 00:31:01

Xhafer: Close shit talk.

724

: 00:31:03

Their faces are like, Barbie

and Ken kissing distance.

725

: 00:31:08

Laura: kiss.

726

: 00:31:11

already.

727

: 00:31:13

Yeah.

728

: 00:31:14

Xhafer: Before we cut over to

Caprica Orange, Where Hilo and

729

: 00:31:18

Sharon are setting up camp in a barn.

730

: 00:31:21

Victor: You know, in season one, this

was my favorite I love this B plot of,

731

: 00:31:27

of Hilo and not Boomer running around

on, on Caprica and, ah, dude, I loved it.

732

: 00:31:34

It was, but this episode was

the, was the worst part of that.

733

: 00:31:38

It was just so dull and boring and

like, I did not believe that they

734

: 00:31:43

were on a nuked fallout planet

when they were in this barn.

735

: 00:31:48

Xhafer: Even Hilo's like,

Why are there no people?

736

: 00:31:51

Victor: right.

737

: 00:31:52

Laura: Okay.

738

: 00:31:52

So this was a little more interesting

to me than the one in the tunnel

739

: 00:31:59

where they're just like running

through a wet tunnel all episode.

740

: 00:32:03

Uh, Because in this barn, you know,

they're, they're going up to hide.

741

: 00:32:07

Hilo's going to get out some

food and Sharon throws up.

742

: 00:32:11

And I'm like, is she a pregnant Cylon?

743

: 00:32:15

Victor: do, do, do do do, do, do

744

: 00:32:17

I gotta, I gotta,

745

: 00:32:18

do the

746

: 00:32:19

Xhafer: Is that

747

: 00:32:20

Victor: the

748

: 00:32:20

Xhafer: Hmm.

749

: 00:32:22

Laura: didn't Six and Doryl, like, want

her to go off with him to some cabin

750

: 00:32:29

and set up shop and have a family?

751

: 00:32:33

Victor: Mm-hmm.

752

: 00:32:33

Laura: are They trying to see if we

can interbreed ourselves with these

753

: 00:32:40

Victor: Mm.

754

: 00:32:40

Now, Jaffa already told me I can't

drop the spoiler that I wanted to drop,

755

: 00:32:43

so B, so I'm not gonna say anything

756

: 00:32:46

Laura: I'm just like, oh.

757

: 00:32:48

Oh, the Hoth goss.

758

: 00:32:51

Victor: does bring up the fact

that they haven't seen any people.

759

: 00:32:54

And

760

: 00:32:55

that, we explore that more later

on, I don't think in this season,

761

: 00:32:58

but I think it's in season 2 we

762

: 00:33:00

Laura: Super sus that

763

: 00:33:02

Victor: That there are

764

: 00:33:03

Laura: here, she's here, but no

765

: 00:33:06

Xhafer: no people.

766

: 00:33:08

There's no horses in this barn.

767

: 00:33:11

There's no

768

: 00:33:12

Laura: you know what?

769

: 00:33:13

Have they all been, like, rounded

up somewhere and we're gonna

770

: 00:33:17

start trying to do stuff to them?

771

: 00:33:20

Poor Victor.

772

: 00:33:22

I'm doing horrible things to him.

773

: 00:33:24

Ha ha ha

774

: 00:33:25

Victor: Um, Oh, yeah, I was going to say

that I, I, it bothers me that we didn't

775

: 00:33:31

get more about post nuclear Caprica

or any of the other colonies honestly,

776

: 00:33:37

like I would have loved like a fucking

video game that is like Fallout Caprica.

777

: 00:33:42

That would have been badass, dude,

where you're just wandering around

778

: 00:33:44

trying to survive in the wasteland.

779

: 00:33:46

Cause yeah, there are still,

780

: 00:33:48

Laura: I

781

: 00:33:49

Victor: survivors

782

: 00:33:50

Laura: I bet in this game, in this

game you've come up with, that if

783

: 00:33:53

you crouch, the toasters can't see

784

: 00:33:55

Victor: Yes.

785

: 00:33:57

Laura: uh, They can't look down, you know?

786

: 00:33:59

Victor: That's right.

787

: 00:34:00

Yeah.

788

: 00:34:00

The

789

: 00:34:00

Laura: that's a good game

790

: 00:34:01

Victor: they, they, they

can't, they can't see.

791

: 00:34:05

Xhafer: I don't know, can you ask

ChatGPT to make a video game for you yet?

792

: 00:34:08

We

793

: 00:34:08

Victor: Yes.

794

: 00:34:10

No, there, there is, there's

actually, I just saw this on

795

: 00:34:13

one of my favorite podcasts core

where they talk about video games.

796

: 00:34:16

There's a new, I forget who is, it's

probably EA because they, they're always

797

: 00:34:21

the evil empire of the video game world.

798

: 00:34:24

But there's a.

799

: 00:34:25

An AI program that will study

your video game habits, how you

800

: 00:34:31

play a game and it tracks your

mouse controls and keyboard stuff.

801

: 00:34:36

And then it will make a video game

for you based on your preferences.

802

: 00:34:41

And it showed, they showed a demo of

it and it looked just like, it looked

803

: 00:34:45

exactly like, um, like Fortnite,

the, the video game that it created.

804

: 00:34:50

Yeah, I was going to say if it, if, if for

me, what it would do is it would create

805

: 00:34:56

a game where you have a library of games

like a steam library and just show you

806

: 00:35:02

things on sale and you would, you would

just do, I would just buy games and never

807

: 00:35:07

play them because that's what, that's what

808

: 00:35:09

Laura: Yeah, yeah,

809

: 00:35:10

Xhafer: would just load up Civ

810

: 00:35:12

V.

811

: 00:35:13

Call it a day.

812

: 00:35:15

Victor: Ah, I was, I was

wondering which Civ you preferred.

813

: 00:35:19

Mm

814

: 00:35:20

Xhafer: They're 8 10 days out from

Delphi, which they're pronouncing wrong,

815

: 00:35:28

Laura: oh yeah, it should

be Delphi, right, yeah.

816

: 00:35:30

Oh well, um, it's a

different alternate universe,

817

: 00:35:34

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, they can't

pronounce it wrong, it's their word.

818

: 00:35:38

but yeah.

819

: 00:35:39

Anywho over in the hangar bay,

Lee is just chillin with his viper

820

: 00:35:45

as his dad comes to check in.

821

: 00:35:48

Victor: Hmm.

822

: 00:35:48

Xhafer: The commander gives Lee his dad's

lighter from when he finished law school.

823

: 00:35:53

The family, good luck charm.

824

: 00:35:56

Victor: ha

825

: 00:35:57

ha ha ha.

826

: 00:35:58

ha.

827

: 00:35:59

ha.

828

: 00:36:00

ha.

829

: 00:36:02

Laura: Yeah, he's gonna bring it

back under threat of ass kicking,

830

: 00:36:06

so it's all gonna be fine.

831

: 00:36:08

Yeah, yeah.

832

: 00:36:09

Xhafer: Yeah.

833

: 00:36:10

Laura: He kind of apologizes

for being a bad dad.

834

: 00:36:13

I

835

: 00:36:14

Victor: his own way.

836

: 00:36:15

Yeah, in his own, um, Edward James

Olmos kind of, ha ha ha, kind of way.

837

: 00:36:20

Laura: He at least, like,

kind of admitted it.

838

: 00:36:22

Victor: all throughout, it's something

I didn't notice until like way late

839

: 00:36:26

into the series that Edward James Olmos

wears contacts to turn his eyes blue.

840

: 00:36:31

Because Apollo has blue eyes.

841

: 00:36:34

And something I didn't even realize until,

842

: 00:36:36

Laura: They didn't need to do that.

843

: 00:36:37

You can have one brown eyed

parent and one blue eyed parent.

844

: 00:36:40

Victor: Yeah.

845

: 00:36:41

Laura: That's our children,

or one of our children.

846

: 00:36:44

well, I can understand why they

did it, but they didn't have to.

847

: 00:36:47

Ha,

848

: 00:36:49

Xhafer: they just have to

establish that bond there.

849

: 00:36:51

The commander says he believes

Lee is a better pilot than

850

: 00:36:55

Starbuck because of nepotism.

851

: 00:37:01

We cut back over to Caprica Golden Hour

as a Six and some Centurions roll in.

852

: 00:37:10

And we don't have time for ladders as they

jump down and Hilo almost figures it out.

853

: 00:37:16

Laura: He's so close.

854

: 00:37:17

He's so close.

855

: 00:37:18

He's like, how is this lady alive?

856

: 00:37:21

He, he just doesn't

know about the new Cys.

857

: 00:37:25

Victor: This, this bugged me a lot because

they just glossed over the fact that you

858

: 00:37:31

know, not Boomer here, just Hilo is just

not bringing up the fact that he, that she

859

: 00:37:36

just randomly killed this woman, you know,

860

: 00:37:38

Xhafer: Yeah.

861

: 00:37:39

Victor: Oh, that happened.

862

: 00:37:40

You know, it didn't ask

her why she shot her.

863

: 00:37:44

Like, it's just, Oh,

that's just a thing that

864

: 00:37:46

Xhafer: She was hanging out with

Centurions, so I mean, you know,

865

: 00:37:50

she's a, she's a Cylon Defector.

866

: 00:37:53

Yeah.

867

: 00:37:54

Victor: did they, did they

bring ever touch on that?

868

: 00:37:56

I mean, They could have just said

at some point, like, Hilo could

869

: 00:38:00

have just said, just like, Oh

yeah, in any war you end up having

870

: 00:38:02

collaborators or some shit like that.

871

: 00:38:06

It just, that would have done it.

872

: 00:38:07

But it just seems like a writing error

to me, that Hilo was never concerned

873

: 00:38:11

about the fact that Sharon just randomly

shot this blonde lady for no reason.

874

: 00:38:18

Laura: and he, he's

875

: 00:38:18

Victor: was making out

with her for crying out

876

: 00:38:23

Laura: and he's just.

877

: 00:38:24

He's like so close, but he, he didn't even

get it when they were in the wet tunnel.

878

: 00:38:30

And Sharon just doesn't get tired, you

879

: 00:38:33

Victor: yeah,

880

: 00:38:34

Laura: The wet tunnel

is a sewer, by the way.

881

: 00:38:36

I forgot what sewers were.

882

: 00:38:37

Victor: right,

883

: 00:38:39

she, she even said last episode

like you're the one who needs sleep.

884

: 00:38:44

Xhafer: Yeah.

885

: 00:38:45

So close yet so far, Helo.

886

: 00:38:47

Smooth brain.

887

: 00:38:49

Victor: Smooth brain Hilo,

888

: 00:38:51

Laura: Hilo's here to look pretty.

889

: 00:38:53

Victor: he is.

890

: 00:38:55

Laura: Yeah, okay, so they're

running and the operation kicks off

891

: 00:38:59

Xhafer: they're in

Galactica's telethon room.

892

: 00:39:02

Laura: Yeah.

893

: 00:39:02

Victor: with all the,

894

: 00:39:04

it does look like it, it

does look like a telethon.

895

: 00:39:06

Oh my

896

: 00:39:07

God.

897

: 00:39:07

That is a throwback.

898

: 00:39:10

Laura: So, if you donate 50 to

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899

: 00:39:15

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900

: 00:39:18

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901

: 00:39:20

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902

: 00:39:21

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903

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904

: 00:39:27

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905

: 00:39:36

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906

: 00:39:42

Victor: So, with the, this battle

kicks off, um, Well, take us into it,

907

: 00:39:46

Ja'far, because I got a, I got a thing.

908

: 00:39:47

Xhafer: They wait for the raiders

to take the bait and launch

909

: 00:39:51

the strike force when they do.

910

: 00:39:53

Kara has a hard time on the sidelines.

911

: 00:39:55

And Adam is all like,

yeah bro, first time.

912

: 00:39:58

Uh, uh, is the Reality of what

it's like whenever they do anything

913

: 00:40:04

hits her on what it's like for him.

914

: 00:40:08

He's very empathetic here.

915

: 00:40:09

But this is the reality

that they're stuck with.

916

: 00:40:12

You know, you, you don't have the

reflexes or you don't have the physical

917

: 00:40:16

strength or you don't have the uninjured

body to be a fighter pilot anymore.

918

: 00:40:22

So this is what you have to do.

919

: 00:40:24

Laura: Yeah.

920

: 00:40:25

Xhafer: Fifty raiders

come for the dozen vipers.

921

: 00:40:29

They launch out of the base,

and it does not go well.

922

: 00:40:32

Victor: Yeah, they start getting torn up.

923

: 00:40:33

Now, I did want to bring up

something here about the Vipers.

924

: 00:40:37

And you've seen before how, when the

Vipers go in to attack, they, they do

925

: 00:40:42

this really cool spinny move, like a

little aileron roll where they're there.

926

: 00:40:47

They do that a lot.

927

: 00:40:48

And I.

928

: 00:40:49

Yeah.

929

: 00:40:49

the hard six.

930

: 00:40:50

Yeah, we'll just call

it the hard six role.

931

: 00:40:53

now back in the day before the modern

social media thing that we have

932

: 00:40:59

here, we uh, the me and the rest of

the Galactica fans uh, would, would

933

: 00:41:04

hang out on the, the sci fi forums

after each episode and talk about it.

934

: 00:41:08

And I remember someone had brought

up about how the vipers, how they're,

935

: 00:41:13

they're somewhat realistically designed.

936

: 00:41:15

Because in space the optimal shape

of a, of a spacecraft for maneuvering

937

: 00:41:22

would be almost like a pyramid and

the Vipers are almost like that.

938

: 00:41:25

And they have the, the, the thrust

nozzles to make the Vipers spin

939

: 00:41:29

around that you see that they do that.

940

: 00:41:31

again, it's a lot like Babylon 5 with

the Starfuries were a realistic design.

941

: 00:41:36

And I remember someone pointed out

that the reason that they roll, and

942

: 00:41:40

there was a whole article about this.

943

: 00:41:42

Oh damn, I should've looked it

up beforehand to see if it's

944

: 00:41:44

still there, but I think it's on

a website called atomic rockets.

945

: 00:41:47

It's a real hard sci fi web blog

talking about the realities of

946

: 00:41:53

science fiction and all that.

947

: 00:41:56

But I mentioned that, In reality,

you wouldn't need to have thrust

948

: 00:42:02

nozzles like that to maneuver.

949

: 00:42:04

Like modern space shuttles use a gyroscope

and it's called a control moment.

950

: 00:42:10

Gyroscope or CMG.

951

: 00:42:12

And it's, it's something that the

space shuttle is used to reorient

952

: 00:42:16

themselves without having to

use like thrusters and stuff.

953

: 00:42:18

It's basically like shifting the center

of gravity around so it can roll and turn.

954

: 00:42:23

It's like, imagine if you were in space

or if you're underwater and you could just

955

: 00:42:27

twist your spine to turn your body around.

956

: 00:42:29

That's basically the

science of how it works.

957

: 00:42:31

And someone had posted this really

in depth Yeah, that's the reason the

958

: 00:42:37

Vipers spin like that whenever they're

going into battle, because you got

959

: 00:42:40

to think like for a, for a combat air

spacecraft, it would need a much more

960

: 00:42:45

powerful gyro than what we have on

the space shuttles currently, because

961

: 00:42:48

it would need to spin a lot faster.

962

: 00:42:50

And you could

963

: 00:42:52

Xhafer: so the ship itself is the gyro?

964

: 00:42:55

Like, because you have to just

make it the pivots at the end?

965

: 00:42:58

Yeah,

966

: 00:42:58

Victor: And the, the idea was that a

powerful gyro like that would probably

967

: 00:43:03

have a lot of stored up kinetic energy

that you would just need to release once

968

: 00:43:07

in a while to keep it from burning out.

969

: 00:43:10

And the chief even says on occasion,

like, Oh, the, the gimbals blown again

970

: 00:43:13

and the gimbal is a part of the gyro.

971

: 00:43:15

And this post actually got a reply.

972

: 00:43:18

I remember, I don't remember if it

was from Ron DeMore himself, but

973

: 00:43:20

it was from someone on the show.

974

: 00:43:22

From sci fi who came in and said,

that's a really great analysis, but now

975

: 00:43:26

we just do it because it looks cool.

976

: 00:43:28

Laura: Yeah.

977

: 00:43:32

I mean, sometimes it just looks cool.

978

: 00:43:35

Yeah.

979

: 00:43:36

Victor: Yeah.

980

: 00:43:37

That's just such a typical sci fi

nerd thing that we just do a deep dive

981

: 00:43:41

and explain something on the show.

982

: 00:43:42

And the, the, yeah, it's like,

no, I just fucking look cool.

983

: 00:43:44

So

984

: 00:43:45

Xhafer: It does.

985

: 00:43:46

So This fight's not going well.

986

: 00:43:48

They call for a retreat, and when the

Cylons hear the retreat, they send the

987

: 00:43:51

hundred raiders away from the civvy decoys

to the Galactica and the raiders there.

988

: 00:43:59

this starts Starbuck's real plan, as she

laughs and does the finger thing like Mr.

989

: 00:44:06

Burns.

990

: 00:44:07

Lee hears that the back door is open.

991

: 00:44:11

Victor: Good thing Ben's not

here because I know he'd be

992

: 00:44:13

making a terrible pun joke right

993

: 00:44:16

now.

994

: 00:44:16

Xhafer: yep.

995

: 00:44:17

Victor: But I do love in

this scene the way Baltar is

996

: 00:44:19

freaking out.

997

: 00:44:20

Xhafer: your own terrible

998

: 00:44:20

Ben pun here.

999

: 00:44:22

Victor: joke, yeah.

: 1000

00:44:24,007 --> 00:44:27,617

But I love the way Baltar

is, is, is freaking out here.

: 1001

00:44:27,627 --> 00:44:27,827

That is,

: 1002

00:44:27,827 --> 00:44:29,557

it is

: 1003

00:44:29,837 --> 00:44:29,987

a laugh.

: 1004

00:44:31,897 --> 00:44:32,727

Laura: He's losing his

: 1005

00:44:32,727 --> 00:44:33,167

shit.

: 1006

00:44:33,282 --> 00:44:37,542

Victor: It's just as the little

3D printed Cylon models get pushed

: 1007

00:44:37,552 --> 00:44:39,352

closer and closer to the Galactica.

: 1008

00:44:40,117 --> 00:44:40,807

Laura: Yeah.

: 1009

00:44:40,867 --> 00:44:42,977

He's like, where's the backup fighters?

: 1010

00:44:43,161 --> 00:44:43,591

Victor: like, there

: 1011

00:44:43,591 --> 00:44:44,341

Is no backup.

: 1012

00:44:44,916 --> 00:44:45,216

Xhafer: it's

: 1013

00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:48,976

not that there's no backup, it's

all the pieces are on the board.

: 1014

00:44:48,991 --> 00:44:50,011

Laura: Right, right.

: 1015

00:44:50,491 --> 00:44:56,561

So he's all obsessed with being

smart guy, but he doesn't, he doesn't

: 1016

00:44:56,561 --> 00:45:00,021

have it all like, and he can't

accept that he doesn't have it all.

: 1017

00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:03,531

Like they are doing a thing and

they've been outsmarting him

: 1018

00:45:03,591 --> 00:45:05,151

on this thing the whole time.

: 1019

00:45:05,151 --> 00:45:09,621

And come on guys, just

like get a little humility.

: 1020

00:45:09,801 --> 00:45:11,971

Victor: He can't be an expert

in everything, but that's what

: 1021

00:45:11,971 --> 00:45:13,171

he feels like he needs to be.

: 1022

00:45:13,661 --> 00:45:14,261

Laura: Yeah.

: 1023

00:45:14,391 --> 00:45:17,788

Victor: But yeah, His anxiety

is just palpable in this scene.

: 1024

00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:18,398

It's such, it's

: 1025

00:45:18,463 --> 00:45:18,843

Laura: Yeah.

: 1026

00:45:19,233 --> 00:45:19,983

It's pretty good.

: 1027

00:45:20,596 --> 00:45:23,806

Xhafer: we get a quick shot of

the decoy freighters, and hey,

: 1028

00:45:23,946 --> 00:45:25,466

they've got shipping crates!

: 1029

00:45:26,356 --> 00:45:29,436

We're hiding shit in shipping

crates, just like the Expanse, I love

: 1030

00:45:29,751 --> 00:45:30,311

Victor: Ah, yeah.

: 1031

00:45:30,311 --> 00:45:31,621

Shipping crates in space.

: 1032

00:45:32,121 --> 00:45:34,231

Except these are square and not octagonal.

: 1033

00:45:35,006 --> 00:45:37,856

Xhafer: These ships, these ships are,

: 1034

00:45:38,012 --> 00:45:38,672

Victor: Hex.

: 1035

00:45:39,207 --> 00:45:39,467

Xhafer: yeah.

: 1036

00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:40,707

the ships are hexagons.

: 1037

00:45:41,182 --> 00:45:41,482

Victor: Mm hmm.

: 1038

00:45:42,016 --> 00:45:44,876

Xhafer: Uh, With the

shipping crates layered in.

: 1039

00:45:45,481 --> 00:45:45,791

Victor: Mm hmm.

: 1040

00:45:45,796 --> 00:45:50,300

Xhafer: Um, and One of them kind of

like breaks off and they were hiding a

: 1041

00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:52,390

viper wing in this giant shipping crate.

: 1042

00:45:52,669 --> 00:45:53,309

Laura: So good.

: 1043

00:45:53,539 --> 00:45:54,001

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1044

00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:56,724

And they very quickly make it to the base.

: 1045

00:45:57,099 --> 00:46:00,809

Victor: Now, I stopped to, I paused and

I stopped to count the number of ivers.

: 1046

00:46:00,809 --> 00:46:05,089

And there are, in fact, Twelve

vipers in Apollo's squadron here.

: 1047

00:46:05,784 --> 00:46:06,504

Laura: Mmm.

: 1048

00:46:07,144 --> 00:46:08,944

I wonder if that means anything.

: 1049

00:46:08,944 --> 00:46:14,034

Hmm.

: 1050

00:46:14,109 --> 00:46:16,539

Victor: Haha!

: 1051

00:46:16,854 --> 00:46:18,764

Xhafer: missile guidance

systems are jammed.

: 1052

00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:25,517

And Chuckles doesn't get the last laugh,

so Lee decides to go on a trench run here.

: 1053

00:46:26,177 --> 00:46:27,297

Victor: Digiclock chuckles.

: 1054

00:46:28,347 --> 00:46:29,937

It's our plant guy from The Expanse.

: 1055

00:46:29,937 --> 00:46:32,647

Hehehehe.

: 1056

00:46:33,527 --> 00:46:33,947

Yeah.

: 1057

00:46:34,637 --> 00:46:34,757

Hehehehe.

: 1058

00:46:34,757 --> 00:46:35,377

Same actor.

: 1059

00:46:35,987 --> 00:46:37,957

Yeah, it was his only appearance, I think.

: 1060

00:46:38,127 --> 00:46:38,377

In

: 1061

00:46:38,387 --> 00:46:39,017

Galactica.

: 1062

00:46:39,062 --> 00:46:39,692

Laura: Prax?

: 1063

00:46:40,007 --> 00:46:40,577

Victor: Yeah, Prax.

: 1064

00:46:40,607 --> 00:46:40,867

Yep.

: 1065

00:46:41,082 --> 00:46:42,572

Laura: I only know the books, but

: 1066

00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:43,682

Victor: yeah, Mmhmm.

: 1067

00:46:44,042 --> 00:46:44,212

yeah.

: 1068

00:46:44,212 --> 00:46:45,052

plant guy bought it.

: 1069

00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,767

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

: 1070

00:46:46,767 --> 00:46:46,935

Ha

: 1071

00:46:47,016 --> 00:46:53,185

Xhafer: Lee goes on a trench run here,

landing a bomb right where the doctor told

: 1072

00:46:56,376 --> 00:47:01,276

Laura: I love that in all of this,

Rosalind is really mad at first.

: 1073

00:47:01,346 --> 00:47:01,726

She's

: 1074

00:47:01,956 --> 00:47:04,256

Victor: Yeah, you didn't

tell me about the plan.

: 1075

00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:10,436

Which made sense to me because we still

don't know who the Cylons are, So,

: 1076

00:47:10,476 --> 00:47:12,466

you wanna keep this shit a secret, so.

: 1077

00:47:12,621 --> 00:47:15,381

Laura: Yeah, Adama's right

to defend it really quick

: 1078

00:47:15,411 --> 00:47:18,031

about like, you know, this is

tactical, we're just, we're just

: 1079

00:47:18,031 --> 00:47:20,621

working out the details, you

didn't need to know, like, all the

: 1080

00:47:20,736 --> 00:47:25,596

Victor: We just had the episode Was it

the one previous to this where, where she

: 1081

00:47:25,596 --> 00:47:33,297

was fuckin trying to get Adama to do a

blood test because he was like Ahahahahaha

: 1082

00:47:33,455 --> 00:47:35,505

Laura: And we never found out

about that blood test, did we?

: 1083

00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:38,180

Victor: Didn't find out about

any of them to be honest.

: 1084

00:47:38,521 --> 00:47:40,011

Laura: Yeah, they don't explicitly state.

: 1085

00:47:40,126 --> 00:47:42,946

Xhafer: that everyone

passes, so it doesn't matter.

: 1086

00:47:43,551 --> 00:47:46,161

Laura: Yeah, he's just,

he's a fucking loser.

: 1087

00:47:46,171 --> 00:47:47,161

That's right, I forgot.

: 1088

00:47:47,661 --> 00:47:49,681

Xhafer: But they blow up

the Death Star, fuck yeah.

: 1089

00:47:49,821 --> 00:47:51,151

Everyone celebrates,

: 1090

00:47:51,276 --> 00:47:55,136

Victor: something that bugged

me about this was that we never

: 1091

00:47:55,206 --> 00:47:59,986

address the 100 Cylon Raiders that

were coming towards Galactica.

: 1092

00:48:00,196 --> 00:48:00,996

Laura: Right.

: 1093

00:48:01,056 --> 00:48:01,256

They're

: 1094

00:48:01,311 --> 00:48:03,511

Xhafer: They blow up the

base and they just bug out.

: 1095

00:48:03,581 --> 00:48:04,031

Why?

: 1096

00:48:04,201 --> 00:48:08,131

They, there's so many of them, there's

no way they couldn't destroy Galactica.

: 1097

00:48:08,486 --> 00:48:11,866

Victor: And there's less than a

dozen fighters, Vipers left in

: 1098

00:48:11,886 --> 00:48:14,507

the The Galactica's hangar bay,

: 1099

00:48:14,642 --> 00:48:15,482

Xhafer: they're outnumbered

: 1100

00:48:15,627 --> 00:48:18,297

Victor: still outnumbered They

didn't, they didn't suddenly stop

: 1101

00:48:18,297 --> 00:48:21,470

being outnumbered, but uh, Adama

tells them they can stop they can

: 1102

00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:23,320

stop running and try and fight

: 1103

00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:23,450

them.

: 1104

00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:28,110

I much would have rather preferred

it if they just would have done a

: 1105

00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:30,280

scene, like I understand there's

budget concerns, but they could have

: 1106

00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,570

just reused the scenes they already

have of Galactica firing its guns and

: 1107

00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:39,190

just make it to where the Galactica

destroyed that big fleet of Raiders.

: 1108

00:48:39,575 --> 00:48:43,972

Laura: You know, there's, there's another

like, little, one line you could do

: 1109

00:48:43,992 --> 00:48:49,172

of like, there's some kind of central

computer or guidance system down there in

: 1110

00:48:49,172 --> 00:48:54,992

the mine, and by doing that they all panic

or they all lose what they're doing and

: 1111

00:48:54,992 --> 00:48:57,422

they, they're just like, easy to kill now.

: 1112

00:48:57,832 --> 00:48:58,212

But,

: 1113

00:48:58,617 --> 00:48:59,727

Victor: No, no because the

: 1114

00:49:00,002 --> 00:49:00,531

Laura: I don't

: 1115

00:49:00,717 --> 00:49:03,687

Victor: that like they already said

it's because it's not a spoiler

: 1116

00:49:03,697 --> 00:49:06,927

because we've already said it But

as we boomer pointed out there.

: 1117

00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:09,007

They're living machines the

: 1118

00:49:09,382 --> 00:49:11,982

Laura: Yeah, but she did say

they were to treat it like a pet.

: 1119

00:49:12,587 --> 00:49:13,297

Victor: they're like trained

: 1120

00:49:13,297 --> 00:49:13,617

that

: 1121

00:49:13,882 --> 00:49:15,002

Laura: the smartest.

: 1122

00:49:15,107 --> 00:49:17,947

Victor: they're like trained attack

dogs is what the the Raiders are.

: 1123

00:49:17,947 --> 00:49:19,317

They're they're living machines.

: 1124

00:49:19,317 --> 00:49:20,577

Just like all the Cylons.

: 1125

00:49:20,587 --> 00:49:20,927

So

: 1126

00:49:21,152 --> 00:49:21,512

Laura: Yeah.

: 1127

00:49:21,522 --> 00:49:22,922

But, I don't know.

: 1128

00:49:22,972 --> 00:49:24,962

I mean, they're not the smart ones, right?

: 1129

00:49:24,972 --> 00:49:29,822

So maybe there's some sort of central

thing that if you disrupt it, you

: 1130

00:49:29,872 --> 00:49:31,212

can kill them much easier now or

: 1131

00:49:31,222 --> 00:49:32,612

Victor: that wouldn't work.

: 1132

00:49:32,722 --> 00:49:33,202

That wouldn't work.

: 1133

00:49:33,342 --> 00:49:33,542

Nah.

: 1134

00:49:34,387 --> 00:49:36,737

Xhafer: It's inconsistent

with later stuff,

: 1135

00:49:37,057 --> 00:49:37,397

Victor: Yeah,

: 1136

00:49:37,847 --> 00:49:41,447

but uh, yeah, they could have just

shown the Galactica using, using its

: 1137

00:49:41,457 --> 00:49:43,367

guns to, to kill the fleet of Raiders.

: 1138

00:49:43,397 --> 00:49:46,867

Or I thought, I thought this

would be really fun to do like a

: 1139

00:49:46,867 --> 00:49:51,077

Sheridan maneuver where maybe Adama

had a couple of nukes planted in

: 1140

00:49:51,077 --> 00:49:54,647

between on some of the asteroids

and just blow up all the Raiders.

: 1141

00:49:54,967 --> 00:49:55,737

That would have been cool.

: 1142

00:49:55,777 --> 00:49:58,297

But I understand they couldn't

do that for budget constraints,

: 1143

00:49:58,297 --> 00:50:01,017

but again, there's no reason they

couldn't have just reused the shot of.

: 1144

00:50:01,477 --> 00:50:06,727

The turrets on Galactica oh, oh, oh,

one more thing that we haven't seen yet.

: 1145

00:50:06,747 --> 00:50:10,057

I don't think we ever see in the

show, so no spoiler here, but uh,

: 1146

00:50:10,193 --> 00:50:14,283

the, the gun turrets on Galactica,

if you pause and zoom in, you can

: 1147

00:50:14,283 --> 00:50:15,363

see that they're not automated.

: 1148

00:50:15,363 --> 00:50:16,413

There's a dude in there.

: 1149

00:50:17,253 --> 00:50:17,693

someone

: 1150

00:50:17,693 --> 00:50:21,343

in there manning the guns, the

turrets, and I'm sad we never

: 1151

00:50:21,343 --> 00:50:23,343

got to see that point of view.

: 1152

00:50:23,413 --> 00:50:28,313

That'd be cool as shit, cause

those are some big ass guns, yo!

: 1153

00:50:29,053 --> 00:50:30,493

I wanna be the dude in the turret.

: 1154

00:50:32,043 --> 00:50:33,963

Xhafer: Your hearing would suck.

: 1155

00:50:34,358 --> 00:50:34,818

Victor: What?

: 1156

00:50:36,778 --> 00:50:38,068

You want me to shoot stuff?

: 1157

00:50:38,548 --> 00:50:39,028

Okay!

: 1158

00:50:41,113 --> 00:50:46,190

Xhafer: I just think of uh, there's a

webcomic for Warhammer 40k where it's

: 1159

00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:50,500

like one of the space marines, and he's

like, where he sits to pilot the vehicle

: 1160

00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:55,350

has two giant cannons right next to

his head, and he's just like, someone's

: 1161

00:50:55,350 --> 00:50:58,580

trying to talk to him, he's like, brother,

I cannot hear you, I have tinnitus!

: 1162

00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:05,070

It's exactly that.

: 1163

00:51:05,315 --> 00:51:06,115

Victor: For the Emperor!

: 1164

00:51:06,905 --> 00:51:08,225

I'm right here dude, you don't have to

: 1165

00:51:09,985 --> 00:51:14,875

Xhafer: Yeah so big celebrations

in the hangar bay, Champagne, and

: 1166

00:51:14,885 --> 00:51:19,655

the last cigar, And a look that

says, I'm proud of you, but we'll

: 1167

00:51:19,655 --> 00:51:21,905

not be saying that out loud today.

: 1168

00:51:24,935 --> 00:51:25,335

Laura: Right.

: 1169

00:51:25,335 --> 00:51:30,325

Right, Now, isn't this last cigar,

didn't Adama give this to Starbuck?

: 1170

00:51:30,875 --> 00:51:31,445

Xhafer: Tie,

: 1171

00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:32,670

Laura: Tie, maybe?

: 1172

00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,090

Somebody gave it to Starbuck and

: 1173

00:51:34,095 --> 00:51:34,665

Victor: Um,

: 1174

00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:35,700

Laura: it on to Lee.

: 1175

00:51:36,025 --> 00:51:36,855

Victor: spoiler alert.

: 1176

00:51:36,865 --> 00:51:40,655

The uh, the cigars in the show

are a lot like the shuttles

: 1177

00:51:40,655 --> 00:51:41,915

and torpedoes and voyager.

: 1178

00:51:41,925 --> 00:51:45,095

They're just the Starbucks

always got a cigar.

: 1179

00:51:45,235 --> 00:51:45,885

Uh,

: 1180

00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:46,440

Laura: that.

: 1181

00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,650

I can, yeah.

: 1182

00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,310

I mean cigars are so easy

to have on ships, you

: 1183

00:51:51,375 --> 00:51:52,035

Xhafer: Yeah, you're just

: 1184

00:51:52,105 --> 00:51:52,315

Victor: Yeah.

: 1185

00:51:52,315 --> 00:51:53,575

Smoking in a spaceship.

: 1186

00:51:53,585 --> 00:51:53,965

Geez.

: 1187

00:51:54,015 --> 00:51:54,295

Yeah.

: 1188

00:51:54,295 --> 00:51:54,425

So,

: 1189

00:51:54,435 --> 00:51:54,815

Laura: Yeah.

: 1190

00:51:55,065 --> 00:51:58,615

Maybe you had a cigar merchant

on one of those civilian vessels,

: 1191

00:51:58,615 --> 00:51:59,225

you know, moving his

: 1192

00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:59,890

Victor: they, uh,

: 1193

00:52:00,037 --> 00:52:03,627

Maybe they, they, they started

using alternatives to tobacco.

: 1194

00:52:03,627 --> 00:52:05,867

They have like, they're

smoking algae cigars now.

: 1195

00:52:06,122 --> 00:52:07,012

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

: 1196

00:52:11,035 --> 00:52:12,125

in the Expanse books.

: 1197

00:52:12,125 --> 00:52:14,015

I don't know if it did on

the show, but they're always

: 1198

00:52:14,015 --> 00:52:15,170

talking about like, uh, yeasts.

: 1199

00:52:17,628 --> 00:52:21,688

Xhafer: it's a, it's a microorganism

that you can consume for nutritional

: 1200

00:52:21,688 --> 00:52:24,278

value that can grow on almost

: 1201

00:52:24,503 --> 00:52:25,113

Victor: anything.

: 1202

00:52:25,253 --> 00:52:25,553

Yeah.

: 1203

00:52:26,033 --> 00:52:26,343

Laura: Yep.

: 1204

00:52:27,048 --> 00:52:32,918

Xhafer: I've read books about using,

like, crab to make alcohol and stuff,

: 1205

00:52:32,948 --> 00:52:35,898

like yeast, you can do fuckin anything.

: 1206

00:52:36,448 --> 00:52:37,628

Yeah.

: 1207

00:52:37,823 --> 00:52:38,223

Laura: a crab.

: 1208

00:52:38,223 --> 00:52:41,953

Yeah,

: 1209

00:52:42,313 --> 00:52:45,603

Victor: chopped and they did a

themed episode once where they

: 1210

00:52:45,603 --> 00:52:47,794

had past present and future.

: 1211

00:52:47,794 --> 00:52:51,672

They had like a themed meals based on

like, they had one from the sixties

: 1212

00:52:52,112 --> 00:52:55,142

that was like filled with ingredients

that are like canned food and stuff

: 1213

00:52:55,142 --> 00:52:56,932

from war rationing from world war two.

: 1214

00:52:57,502 --> 00:53:02,022

And then they had 90s food trends,

which was like apple, appletinis

: 1215

00:53:02,042 --> 00:53:04,182

and Asian chicken salads.

: 1216

00:53:04,242 --> 00:53:09,482

But anyway, but the interesting part was

they did a future chopped chef challenge

: 1217

00:53:09,482 --> 00:53:14,682

where they had to use ingredients that

would probably be from the future in

: 1218

00:53:14,682 --> 00:53:17,592

like a, a scarcity wasteland type idea.

: 1219

00:53:17,742 --> 00:53:19,042

And one of them was ostrich meat.

: 1220

00:53:19,052 --> 00:53:23,492

Cause apparently ostriches are

really don't use a lot of resources

: 1221

00:53:23,763 --> 00:53:24,203

to

: 1222

00:53:24,253 --> 00:53:27,983

Laura: that was like a fad too, where

people were like, Oh yes, ostrich

: 1223

00:53:27,983 --> 00:53:29,293

meat is going to be the next big

: 1224

00:53:29,303 --> 00:53:29,563

thing.

: 1225

00:53:29,563 --> 00:53:31,983

And so people were like

buying ostriches and emus.

: 1226

00:53:32,258 --> 00:53:34,718

Victor: apparently it's a lot

more sustainable than, than

: 1227

00:53:34,998 --> 00:53:37,008

cattle or horses.

: 1228

00:53:37,008 --> 00:53:40,168

And another one was oh, algae

oil was one of the ingredients.

: 1229

00:53:40,468 --> 00:53:43,158

It looked just like olive oil,

but it was made with algae and

: 1230

00:53:43,343 --> 00:53:44,463

Laura: Algae's cool.

: 1231

00:53:44,608 --> 00:53:45,058

Victor: Yeah.

: 1232

00:53:46,868 --> 00:53:46,988

Xhafer: Mm

: 1233

00:53:47,123 --> 00:53:48,523

Laura: I also like algae.

: 1234

00:53:48,543 --> 00:53:49,793

Very interested.

: 1235

00:53:49,958 --> 00:53:52,818

Victor: I don't think I've ever, I

cannot imagine that tastes good though.

: 1236

00:53:52,948 --> 00:53:53,208

That

: 1237

00:53:53,243 --> 00:53:57,883

Laura: don't laugh, but years ago, I got

really interested in a biofuel company,

: 1238

00:53:57,903 --> 00:53:59,393

was like, kind of following their stuff.

: 1239

00:53:59,393 --> 00:54:01,543

Like, yeah, algae fuel is

going to be the next thing.

: 1240

00:54:01,543 --> 00:54:01,983

And, you know, okay.

: 1241

00:54:02,418 --> 00:54:03,788

Spoiler, it didn't work out.

: 1242

00:54:04,188 --> 00:54:05,858

Um, not yet, anyway.

: 1243

00:54:06,248 --> 00:54:10,338

But they also launched,

like, a side skincare line?

: 1244

00:54:11,118 --> 00:54:16,988

And I am still using alginist skincare.

: 1245

00:54:17,403 --> 00:54:17,973

Victor: so I guess it's

: 1246

00:54:18,168 --> 00:54:19,308

Laura: Oh, thank you.

: 1247

00:54:19,308 --> 00:54:20,488

Yeah, no, Aaron

: 1248

00:54:20,498 --> 00:54:20,778

likes

: 1249

00:54:20,803 --> 00:54:22,033

Victor: red nose from being sick, but

: 1250

00:54:22,043 --> 00:54:22,973

hey, sorry, I wasn't going to

: 1251

00:54:23,128 --> 00:54:27,788

Laura: not That's not alginist's

fault, but we like to call it me

: 1252

00:54:27,788 --> 00:54:32,989

going to slap the algae on my That's

: 1253

00:54:33,194 --> 00:54:33,654

Victor: Nice.

: 1254

00:54:34,407 --> 00:54:36,894

Xhafer: But yeah uh, we

have one last scene here.

: 1255

00:54:36,894 --> 00:54:39,434

Gaius and 6BT talk prophecies from

: 1256

00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:41,594

Victor: yeah, in his

little mind palace again.

: 1257

00:54:41,854 --> 00:54:45,734

Xhafer: Yeah, and Gaius's

place in the Order Cosmic.

: 1258

00:54:46,281 --> 00:54:50,241

Laura: And we do a nice little Christ

pose on the balcony to credits.

: 1259

00:54:50,241 --> 00:54:50,861

ha

: 1260

00:54:50,861 --> 00:54:51,481

ha

: 1261

00:54:51,586 --> 00:54:51,946

Victor: yeah.

: 1262

00:54:52,101 --> 00:54:52,721

Laura: ha

: 1263

00:54:52,721 --> 00:54:53,341

ha

: 1264

00:54:53,356 --> 00:54:58,486

Victor: Now he, he did this, this is

the, the light bulb moment where six PT

: 1265

00:54:58,486 --> 00:55:03,376

quotes the scripture again talking about

led by serpents numbering two and 10.

: 1266

00:55:03,916 --> 00:55:07,276

And Baltar says, oh, the vipers.

: 1267

00:55:07,281 --> 00:55:08,206

They're the serpents.

: 1268

00:55:08,206 --> 00:55:08,476

And

: 1269

00:55:08,776 --> 00:55:09,496

yeah, that's why, that's

: 1270

00:55:09,496 --> 00:55:10,306

why, I paused.

: 1271

00:55:10,871 --> 00:55:12,581

Laura: Wait, Wait, you guys!

: 1272

00:55:13,121 --> 00:55:15,541

You know what else numbers two and ten?

: 1273

00:55:16,256 --> 00:55:17,366

Victor: The 12 colonies?

: 1274

00:55:17,831 --> 00:55:19,141

Laura: of Cylons.

: 1275

00:55:19,181 --> 00:55:21,721

There are twelve models

of Cylons, you guys!

: 1276

00:55:21,941 --> 00:55:23,841

Xhafer: Oh, are they, are they the snakes?

: 1277

00:55:24,221 --> 00:55:24,751

Hmm.

: 1278

00:55:25,671 --> 00:55:28,491

Victor: Well, she specifically

says, or he specifically says

: 1279

00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:30,171

the vipers are the serpents.

: 1280

00:55:30,641 --> 00:55:32,311

But I guess there could be

multiple interpretations.

: 1281

00:55:32,311 --> 00:55:32,581

But yeah,

: 1282

00:55:32,616 --> 00:55:33,836

Laura: That's a prophecy, man.

: 1283

00:55:33,846 --> 00:55:36,236

Prophecy's always got

multiple ways to do it.

: 1284

00:55:36,296 --> 00:55:37,426

We learned that from George R.

: 1285

00:55:37,426 --> 00:55:37,496

R.

: 1286

00:55:37,516 --> 00:55:37,936

Martin.

: 1287

00:55:38,131 --> 00:55:38,621

Victor: Yeah.

: 1288

00:55:39,081 --> 00:55:42,641

But numbering two and ten, that's, you

know, twelve, that's why I paused and

: 1289

00:55:42,641 --> 00:55:46,621

counted how many vipers, and yeah, there

were, there were twelve in Apollo's squad.

: 1290

00:55:47,016 --> 00:55:47,696

Laura: Uh huh.

: 1291

00:55:48,126 --> 00:55:48,886

Interesting.

: 1292

00:55:49,406 --> 00:55:50,616

Very interesting.

: 1293

00:55:51,271 --> 00:55:52,521

Xhafer: So that's the episode!

: 1294

00:55:52,861 --> 00:55:53,611

Victor: our episode.

: 1295

00:55:53,611 --> 00:55:54,354

Heh

: 1296

00:55:54,354 --> 00:55:55,097

heh

: 1297

00:55:55,331 --> 00:55:55,881

Xhafer: so,

: 1298

00:55:55,881 --> 00:55:58,471

Vic, on a scale of 1

: 1299

00:55:58,501 --> 00:55:58,651

Victor: heh.

: 1300

00:55:59,201 --> 00:56:02,131

Eleven Vipers, because this is,

like I said, my second favorite

: 1301

00:56:02,131 --> 00:56:03,661

episode of the first season.

: 1302

00:56:04,171 --> 00:56:08,081

Um, Yeah, yeah, this,

it was just so much fun.

: 1303

00:56:08,101 --> 00:56:12,431

And in the end, this is one

of the very few, I feel like,

: 1304

00:56:13,211 --> 00:56:15,371

happy episodes that we get.

: 1305

00:56:15,931 --> 00:56:20,521

Because most of them are pretty fucking

dark But it ends with the celebration

: 1306

00:56:20,521 --> 00:56:24,221

where we have where they're all breaking

out the the last bottles of champagne

: 1307

00:56:24,221 --> 00:56:29,867

in existence You know to celebrate And

uh, and yeah, it's a big victory you

: 1308

00:56:29,867 --> 00:56:32,637

know just glossing over the fact that

they even specifically mentioned there's

: 1309

00:56:32,637 --> 00:56:37,107

nothing to stop the Cylons from jumping

back in and wiping them out, but We just

: 1310

00:56:37,107 --> 00:56:42,147

ignore that little fact and they yeah,

they it's a big victory for the fleet.

: 1311

00:56:42,157 --> 00:56:46,547

It's a huge boost of morale I I

love the President and Starbuck

: 1312

00:56:46,547 --> 00:56:49,657

hugging, that's just, that's

just a really feel good moment.

: 1313

00:56:49,667 --> 00:56:52,087

And the music is great, it

almost brings a tear to my eye.

: 1314

00:56:52,157 --> 00:56:53,337

It's, yeah, it was a

: 1315

00:56:53,482 --> 00:56:55,282

Laura: The music is

really good in this one.

: 1316

00:56:55,292 --> 00:56:58,252

This one made me, you know, I, I

kind of went on my Vangelis kick for

: 1317

00:56:58,252 --> 00:56:59,612

a little while after Blade Runner.

: 1318

00:56:59,909 --> 00:57:02,689

Cause I, I've discovered I really

need to like listen to something on

: 1319

00:57:02,689 --> 00:57:08,079

my noise canceling earbuds when I'm

working in my group office to like tune

: 1320

00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:09,559

everybody out and not talk to them.

: 1321

00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,119

Cause I'll just talk,

I'll just talk too much.

: 1322

00:57:12,569 --> 00:57:14,199

And uh, I was like, you know what?

: 1323

00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,899

I'm going to add the Battlestar

Galactica soundtrack.

: 1324

00:57:17,149 --> 00:57:19,619

I'm not going to look at any

of the titles on anything.

: 1325

00:57:19,629 --> 00:57:21,712

I'm just going to let it play and add

: 1326

00:57:21,712 --> 00:57:22,092

that into my

: 1327

00:57:22,092 --> 00:57:22,932

music rotation.

: 1328

00:57:23,187 --> 00:57:26,507

Victor: I used to use the, the

BSG soundtrack for some of my

: 1329

00:57:26,507 --> 00:57:27,877

D& D games that I would run.

: 1330

00:57:28,047 --> 00:57:30,087

So, it works good as background music.

: 1331

00:57:30,232 --> 00:57:30,492

Xhafer: I've

: 1332

00:57:30,492 --> 00:57:35,032

been, listening to a lot of the

Metaphor ReFantasio soundtrack,

: 1333

00:57:35,562 --> 00:57:39,602

which is a JRPG that I was

obsessed with about a month ago.

: 1334

00:57:39,962 --> 00:57:44,522

Um, it has lots of Buddhist

chanting and Esperanto in It

: 1335

00:57:45,017 --> 00:57:46,157

Victor: Oh, I love Esperanto!

: 1336

00:57:46,337 --> 00:57:46,487

Heh.

: 1337

00:57:46,662 --> 00:57:51,222

Xhafer: it is very interesting,

very unique, very cool.

: 1338

00:57:51,716 --> 00:57:54,216

Um, remind me, I'll send a track out

: 1339

00:57:54,661 --> 00:57:56,371

Victor: Ha, nice.

: 1340

00:57:56,371 --> 00:57:57,971

It's I've been hearing

a lot about that game.

: 1341

00:57:58,211 --> 00:57:58,921

Xhafer: It's so

: 1342

00:57:59,011 --> 00:57:59,741

Victor: a lot on Core.

: 1343

00:57:59,781 --> 00:58:00,421

Xhafer: good.

: 1344

00:58:00,551 --> 00:58:01,681

Victor: Ha ha ha ha

: 1345

00:58:01,721 --> 00:58:05,141

Xhafer: Like, instantly in my top

three video games of all time.

: 1346

00:58:05,741 --> 00:58:07,441

Like, it's just, it's so good.

: 1347

00:58:07,441 --> 00:58:12,371

I have to let it sit maybe another

month before I really firm up on that.

: 1348

00:58:12,391 --> 00:58:18,231

But, I put it up there pretty

instantly with Fantasy VI.

: 1349

00:58:18,614 --> 00:58:19,494

V.

: 1350

00:58:20,104 --> 00:58:23,234

Um, I have a Final Fantasy VI tattoo, Vic.

: 1351

00:58:23,579 --> 00:58:27,469

Victor: Bro okay we need we'll talk

about this more on LTO That's it

: 1352

00:58:27,469 --> 00:58:27,689

yeah.

: 1353

00:58:28,129 --> 00:58:28,879

Anyway back to Galactica.

: 1354

00:58:28,879 --> 00:58:33,389

Yeah, I give this one an 11 And if

nothing else it has a trench run

: 1355

00:58:33,409 --> 00:58:37,529

and anything that has a trench run

automatically gets gets some high points

: 1356

00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:39,239

Laura: Yeah.

: 1357

00:58:39,439 --> 00:58:41,659

I feel like that's just

for us as fans, right?

: 1358

00:58:42,019 --> 00:58:44,909

Anybody throws a trench run in, they're

like, you know, you know the one.

: 1359

00:58:45,304 --> 00:58:45,514

Xhafer: You

: 1360

00:58:45,514 --> 00:58:45,804

know the

: 1361

00:58:45,879 --> 00:58:46,629

Laura: talking about.

: 1362

00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:47,554

Yeah.

: 1363

00:58:47,554 --> 00:58:48,044

Yeah.

: 1364

00:58:48,524 --> 00:58:53,424

I, you know, I would give it an

11, except we really glossed over

: 1365

00:58:53,424 --> 00:58:56,514

those fighters leaving at the

end and that kind of annoys me.

: 1366

00:58:56,764 --> 00:58:58,484

So I'm going to have to give it a 10.

: 1367

00:58:59,184 --> 00:59:01,734

Everything else was really good,

but when, when it's just like,

: 1368

00:59:01,774 --> 00:59:03,814

Oh, they're just, we're just gonna

: 1369

00:59:04,294 --> 00:59:04,664

Victor: Yeah,

: 1370

00:59:04,994 --> 00:59:06,594

just gonna not address that fact.

: 1371

00:59:06,594 --> 00:59:06,894

Yeah.

: 1372

00:59:07,614 --> 00:59:07,774

I

: 1373

00:59:07,774 --> 00:59:08,324

could do it.

: 1374

00:59:08,584 --> 00:59:13,564

I could probably fix this in an edit and

just reuse some shots of Galactica's guns

: 1375

00:59:13,564 --> 00:59:18,974

and show some Cylon Raiders exploding and

problem solved and then pothole fixed.

: 1376

00:59:20,104 --> 00:59:22,714

Laura: it's just, they left

it a little hanging for me.

: 1377

00:59:22,714 --> 00:59:24,664

I wasn't quite sold on that.

: 1378

00:59:25,514 --> 00:59:26,364

What about you, Ja'far?

: 1379

00:59:26,704 --> 00:59:28,524

Xhafer: I'm gonna split the

difference and do ten and a half.

: 1380

00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:30,389

Laura: Oh, look at this.

: 1381

00:59:30,794 --> 00:59:32,794

Xhafer: Yeah, nah, I was

right, I was right there.

: 1382

00:59:32,824 --> 00:59:36,584

Um, I agree, the, the Raiders is

vanishing, but everything else about

: 1383

00:59:36,584 --> 00:59:38,514

this episode, absolutely fantastic.

: 1384

00:59:38,744 --> 00:59:39,694

Loved it.

: 1385

00:59:40,249 --> 00:59:40,589

Laura: Yeah.

: 1386

00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:41,919

is a good time.

: 1387

00:59:42,124 --> 00:59:46,157

Victor: Solidified uh, Apollo as

just as capable as Starbuck,

: 1388

00:59:46,972 --> 00:59:49,162

Laura: Of being out of the box insane.

: 1389

00:59:49,512 --> 00:59:49,882

Victor: Yeah.

: 1390

00:59:50,332 --> 00:59:54,282

oh yeah, we, sorry, we didn't, we didn't

mention the, the thing where he decides to

: 1391

00:59:54,282 --> 00:59:59,212

do the trench run and Baltar's like, what,

what, what, why are you doing this Apollo?

: 1392

01:00:00,142 --> 01:00:00,562

stop!

: 1393

01:00:00,712 --> 01:00:01,012

Laura: yeah.

: 1394

01:00:01,012 --> 01:00:01,332

It's

: 1395

01:00:02,302 --> 01:00:06,082

nice for somebody to be like, this is

stupid, whenever it's a trench run.

: 1396

01:00:06,082 --> 01:00:06,712

Yeah, yeah.

: 1397

01:00:06,713 --> 01:00:08,632

Hmm.

: 1398

01:00:08,722 --> 01:00:10,002

Victor: a little trivia piece.

: 1399

01:00:10,062 --> 01:00:13,242

Um, I didn't get to drop my other

spoiler earlier, but I will drop this

: 1400

01:00:13,242 --> 01:00:17,432

one because this one absolutely does

not matter, but we do find out this is

: 1401

01:00:17,432 --> 01:00:23,329

a background detail that is never out

loud addressed in the show, but next

: 1402

01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:25,979

season, no, it's, I promise it's fine.

: 1403

01:00:25,999 --> 01:00:28,539

It's it's Laura's reaching

for her headphones right now.

: 1404

01:00:29,434 --> 01:00:35,194

You see at one point on a printout,

like a dossier roster of the pilots.

: 1405

01:00:35,204 --> 01:00:36,684

It's fine, Laura, I promise.

: 1406

01:00:37,344 --> 01:00:39,784

But we find out, and it's,

again, it's never mentioned.

: 1407

01:00:39,784 --> 01:00:43,394

It's just something you see

written on, um, I don't know if

: 1408

01:00:43,394 --> 01:00:45,144

it's paper or screen or what,

: 1409

01:00:45,154 --> 01:00:50,114

but Apollo is in the

colonial Navy reserves.

: 1410

01:00:50,814 --> 01:00:52,104

So that.

: 1411

01:00:52,459 --> 01:00:56,509

Is something that is never directly

addressed, but by his name, it says,

: 1412

01:00:56,509 --> 01:01:01,039

you know, captain Apollo, colonial

Navy dash R, which is typically for

: 1413

01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:02,509

what he was the only one who had that.

: 1414

01:01:03,139 --> 01:01:07,089

So I think that's a really cool,

it's something that fits his

: 1415

01:01:07,089 --> 01:01:11,069

character, you know, like he's

kind of like wishy washy about it.

: 1416

01:01:11,069 --> 01:01:13,139

He didn't want to fully,

so he was in the Navy.

: 1417

01:01:13,649 --> 01:01:16,139

He was a pilot in the reserves

of the colonial military.

: 1418

01:01:16,579 --> 01:01:19,609

Anyway, I might think that's a lot

more interesting than most people do.

: 1419

01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:22,649

But I think it really fits his character.

: 1420

01:01:22,759 --> 01:01:24,659

That's uh, you know, he

didn't want to fully commit

: 1421

01:01:24,669 --> 01:01:27,047

to the, colonial military life

: 1422

01:01:27,122 --> 01:01:27,892

Laura: Yeah.

: 1423

01:01:28,052 --> 01:01:31,742

I wonder if that's part of why Daddy's

not able to say he's proud of him

: 1424

01:01:31,742 --> 01:01:32,392

and stuff.

: 1425

01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:36,552

Like, you know, Daddy's like, you're,

you're a pilot and you kind of

: 1426

01:01:36,552 --> 01:01:38,272

followed me, but you did the reserves.

: 1427

01:01:38,332 --> 01:01:39,042

Like, hmm.

: 1428

01:01:40,002 --> 01:01:40,522

Yeah.

: 1429

01:01:41,112 --> 01:01:41,382

Hmm.

: 1430

01:01:41,552 --> 01:01:42,112

Interesting.

: 1431

01:01:42,407 --> 01:01:42,677

Victor: Yeah.

: 1432

01:01:43,357 --> 01:01:47,127

Anyway, he made me, he gave me so much

anxiety with your holding your ear.

: 1433

01:01:49,477 --> 01:01:50,177

Like, no, no, no.

: 1434

01:01:50,627 --> 01:01:51,457

I, I got it.

: 1435

01:01:51,457 --> 01:01:52,697

I got to hand it to you, Laura.

: 1436

01:01:52,727 --> 01:01:56,687

I would not be able to resist

spoilers the way you do like

: 1437

01:01:56,702 --> 01:01:58,512

Laura: So far, I'm doing okay.

: 1438

01:01:58,512 --> 01:02:02,022

I did wonder when I went to, like,

pull up the soundtrack, I was

: 1439

01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:04,482

like, oh shit, I probably should

just not look at the titles.

: 1440

01:02:04,482 --> 01:02:06,132

Like, that could be a source,

: 1441

01:02:06,132 --> 01:02:06,662

right?

: 1442

01:02:06,662 --> 01:02:09,193

yeah,

: 1443

01:02:09,243 --> 01:02:13,950

Xhafer: Well, next week we've got

Season 1, Episode 11, Colonial Day.

: 1444

01:02:14,780 --> 01:02:20,020

President Laura Roslin finds herself

pitted against her old nemesis, Tom Zarek,

: 1445

01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:27,700

when she organizes a grand event to

announce her choice for Vice President.

: 1446

01:02:28,395 --> 01:02:29,775

Laura: Oh, no!

: 1447

01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:30,710

Victor: Zarek.

: 1448

01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,760

Zarek, that son of a bitch.

: 1449

01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,930

He's such a good villain.

: 1450

01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:36,390

Next episode.

: 1451

01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:42,610

I re watched it the other day and

it, it hits different with the

: 1452

01:02:43,325 --> 01:02:43,675

Laura: With the

: 1453

01:02:43,775 --> 01:02:44,455

Victor: events.

: 1454

01:02:44,835 --> 01:02:45,365

Yeah.

: 1455

01:02:45,375 --> 01:02:50,905

with the whole, you know, gestures wildly

and going on in our modern era today.

: 1456

01:02:50,925 --> 01:02:55,439

It was, it was, it was hard to

watch, but yeah, you'll, you'll see.

: 1457

01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:56,499

Laura: Okay.

: 1458

01:02:57,229 --> 01:02:57,499

I'll

: 1459

01:02:57,569 --> 01:03:01,409

Victor: Oh, and the, the blonde

reporter from the intro Playa

: 1460

01:03:01,409 --> 01:03:04,159

Palacios, she makes a reappearance.

: 1461

01:03:04,389 --> 01:03:06,719

So she's not just a, a one off character.

: 1462

01:03:07,424 --> 01:03:07,844

Xhafer: alright.

: 1463

01:03:08,884 --> 01:03:09,184

alright.

: 1464

01:03:09,184 --> 01:03:11,064

Vic, well, tell the people

where they can find you.

: 1465

01:03:11,674 --> 01:03:14,104

Victor: Find me on Facebook

at Dominion Media tv.

: 1466

01:03:14,204 --> 01:03:20,157

The, by the time this airs I'm

going to be, for March the fourth.

: 1467

01:03:20,707 --> 01:03:25,097

In celebration, I'm going to be,

I've already started on reviving and

: 1468

01:03:25,097 --> 01:03:29,197

continuing the series, one of my most

popular comics uh, Star Trek A New Hope.

: 1469

01:03:29,577 --> 01:03:33,243

Where I recreate in comic form

Star Wars A New Hope, but with

: 1470

01:03:33,243 --> 01:03:34,833

Star Trek characters and scenes.

: 1471

01:03:34,943 --> 01:03:37,583

Celebrating it for March 4th,

March the 4th be with you.

: 1472

01:03:38,568 --> 01:03:40,148

Xhafer: You know, that's May 4th, right?

: 1473

01:03:40,648 --> 01:03:42,718

Victor: No, you're wrong.

: 1474

01:03:43,368 --> 01:03:44,748

Xhafer: Okay, just checking.

: 1475

01:03:44,938 --> 01:03:45,248

Victor: Yeah.

: 1476

01:03:45,278 --> 01:03:50,077

And you can also find me co hosting

other now third best podcast on

: 1477

01:03:50,077 --> 01:03:51,017

the what happened here network

: 1478

01:03:52,107 --> 01:03:58,437

last time on where we're going through

a Viper, one of the, one of the most,

: 1479

01:03:58,727 --> 01:04:00,687

one of the most shows from the nineties,

: 1480

01:04:03,171 --> 01:04:04,601

Laura: Are there 2 in 10 of them?

: 1481

01:04:04,656 --> 01:04:07,516

Victor: two and 10 Oh, it is a V10 engine

: 1482

01:04:07,996 --> 01:04:08,176

And

: 1483

01:04:08,176 --> 01:04:08,701

a

: 1484

01:04:08,786 --> 01:04:09,456

Xhafer: vipers.

: 1485

01:04:09,761 --> 01:04:11,521

Victor: There are at least two, yeah.

: 1486

01:04:11,701 --> 01:04:12,681

Laura: Hey!

: 1487

01:04:12,921 --> 01:04:14,011

Victor: we've gone through at this point,

: 1488

01:04:14,366 --> 01:04:15,906

Laura: All of this has happened before

: 1489

01:04:15,941 --> 01:04:16,351

Victor: Mm hmm.

: 1490

01:04:17,171 --> 01:04:20,291

Yeah, tune in the last time on to

find out how many shirts Frankie

: 1491

01:04:20,291 --> 01:04:21,771

is wearing or is not wearing.

: 1492

01:04:21,831 --> 01:04:22,671

Listeners of the show

: 1493

01:04:22,716 --> 01:04:23,736

Xhafer: Yeah, the best

: 1494

01:04:23,791 --> 01:04:24,860

Victor: Heh heh

: 1495

01:04:24,926 --> 01:04:26,936

Xhafer: made, ever make,

: 1496

01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:29,896

is on next week's episode of Last Time On.

: 1497

01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:32,966

Or, no, it would have already, it

would have been yesterday's episode

: 1498

01:04:32,966 --> 01:04:34,376

when this airs, because we're behind.

: 1499

01:04:35,216 --> 01:04:35,226

Laura: Ah!

: 1500

01:04:35,408 --> 01:04:35,695

Victor: ha

: 1501

01:04:35,695 --> 01:04:35,982

ha

: 1502

01:04:36,056 --> 01:04:36,616

Xhafer: Okay.

: 1503

01:04:37,195 --> 01:04:40,575

So yeah, with all that said,

it's just a couple of thank yous.

: 1504

01:04:41,225 --> 01:04:42,425

It's Jeremy Siegel.

: 1505

01:04:42,625 --> 01:04:43,165

Jeremy.

: 1506

01:04:43,645 --> 01:04:45,125

Jeremy, I'm looking into the camera.

: 1507

01:04:45,125 --> 01:04:49,355

Jeremy, I'm making eye contact

with you through an audio format.

: 1508

01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:51,476

Laura: He absolutely is,

: 1509

01:04:51,676 --> 01:04:54,356

Xhafer: jeremy, thank you so much

for composing our theme music.

: 1510

01:04:54,416 --> 01:04:55,376

We appreciate the hell out of you.

: 1511

01:04:55,376 --> 01:04:57,586

You can find more of Jeremy's

work at jeremyziegel42.

: 1512

01:04:57,626 --> 01:04:58,276

bandcamp.

: 1513

01:04:58,316 --> 01:05:01,916

com and on streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

: 1514

01:05:02,434 --> 01:05:05,094

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

: 1515

01:05:05,104 --> 01:05:06,604

for our podcast artwork.

: 1516

01:05:07,189 --> 01:05:09,979

Xhafer: Aaron, put you

through the ringer this time.

: 1517

01:05:10,109 --> 01:05:10,869

Always do.

: 1518

01:05:10,869 --> 01:05:11,369

Appreciate

: 1519

01:05:11,369 --> 01:05:12,109

the hell out of you.

: 1520

01:05:12,538 --> 01:05:14,469

Thanks so much for editing this podcast.

: 1521

01:05:15,376 --> 01:05:17,066

And thank you Vic for joining us.

: 1522

01:05:17,326 --> 01:05:18,576

Victor: Thank you, it's always a pleasure.

: 1523

01:05:18,826 --> 01:05:19,856

Xhafer: Appreciate having you on.

: 1524

01:05:20,251 --> 01:05:22,221

Laura: Thank you, listener,

for being here with us.

: 1525

01:05:22,231 --> 01:05:25,781

If you want to be here with us

more, you can join the Discord.

: 1526

01:05:25,781 --> 01:05:27,451

It's linked in the show notes.

: 1527

01:05:27,481 --> 01:05:28,841

Be with us all the time.

: 1528

01:05:28,971 --> 01:05:30,391

It's not weird at all.

: 1529

01:05:33,266 --> 01:05:35,376

It's actually a pretty fun

place, so come on over.

: 1530

01:05:35,391 --> 01:05:35,731

Victor: It is.

: 1531

01:05:35,731 --> 01:05:38,261

I had to turn off my notifications

for the discord because it would

: 1532

01:05:38,261 --> 01:05:41,281

like pop up while I was driving and

get in front of my GPS and stuff.

: 1533

01:05:41,281 --> 01:05:44,331

But yeah, it's been getting pretty

popular lately, so join in guys.

: 1534

01:05:45,336 --> 01:05:45,846

Xhafer: All right.

: 1535

01:05:45,966 --> 01:05:47,496

And we'll see you next week internet.

: 1536

01:05:47,596 --> 01:05:48,186

Laura: Bye!

: 1537

01:05:48,301 --> 01:05:48,881

Victor: Buh Bye.