Episode 162

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26th Feb 2025

BSG S1E9 - The Real Housewife of Battlestar Galactica (Featuring Ryan from Yum Yum Podcast)

Ryan from Yum Yum Podcast returns to discuss sci-fi tank tops, BSG's horniness, and the thrilling adventures of Helo and Sharon! Laura wonders what happened to Galactica's HR department. Xhafer appreciates Baltar doing the math. Everyone is drinking the silly juice in Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 9: Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down.

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Transcript
Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci

fi watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers now friends who are currently

watching:

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I'm Jafar

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Laura: And

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I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and today we're joined by

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Ryan: by Ryan.

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Hey

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Xhafer: Hey Ryan

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Laura: back.

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Xhafer: from Yum Yum.

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What are you guys watching right now?

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Ryan: Well, everyone, in case you

weren't tuning in to the Babylon

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5 era of this podcast, I'm Ryan

Slewinski from Yum Yum Podcast.

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My wife and I love to talk about

science fiction television, and

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currently we are going through The

Expanse as first time watchers.

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We are in the final days

of the series itself.

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We're even going The extra legwork and

watching the webisodes, the minisodes,

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the little things in between, because

sci fi TV, no matter which era you go

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to, will have extracurricular material.

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It's never just one and done, even,

even BSG will have little, little TV

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movies and crap that you have to cover.

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And isn't that fun?

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Oh, the miniseries, ooh, extra, ooh,

you gotta do some legwork for it.

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But, um, we also are a Rewatch podcast

for Star Trek Discovery, and we are

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covering its final season as well.

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We're going that extra mile and covering

it and doing the Section 31 movie, and

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we're having guests on and hopefully we'll

have J'fair on to talk about that amazing

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final season of Discovery where they

find God and don't really care about it.

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They're just like, neat!

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We found God!

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Nice!

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Xhafer: We did it, guys.

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Ryan: Teamwork!

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Let's hug!

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Xhafer: I wish I could be in the

room when they're all like, Hey, you

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guys remember this episode of TNG?

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Let's make this a whole

season of television.

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Ryan: episode of

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Xhafer: Of all episodes,

that episode was a choice.

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so.

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Laura: Maybe they were

hoping you forgot it.

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Ryan: Of all episodes.

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Maybe they were hoping you forgot it.

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Xhafer: And he did.

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Yeah.

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Ryan: Why does it look like

the blonde sexy lady in my show

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is like a Jerry Ryan clone?

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And also the guy is Baltar looking

guy is kind of like Michael Pillar.

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What's that all about?

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I don't know.

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Just coincidence.

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I swear, it's not on purpose, guys.

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Xhafer: Don't

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Laura: And the Gaius Baltar

guy is just insufferable.

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So weird.

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Xhafer: So, I mean, we haven't talked

about it on pod, the connection

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between Voyager and Battlestar.

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Cause

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Laura: And I don't know anything about it.

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Xhafer: I don't have a whole lot, I,

I, this is not something I can just

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go and do five minutes on off the

top of my head without some research.

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But I was, I've been doing like my

Star Trek rewatch in the background

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for the last couple of years.

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And I did finish Voyager, I watched the

last two seasons while we were starting

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to record the first episodes of this

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Ryan: basically to sum it up ronald d

more at one point or another was kind

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of working on Voyager But just got super

frustrated with how it doesn't live up

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to its potential of like a ship Stranded

with a crew of people who don't get

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along and there's the terrors out there.

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Ah all of that.

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Why wasn't it more?

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Why wasn't it more and behind the

scenes shenanigans and just got really

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fed up with it and people like well

He made BSG as like a response to

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it and Look, here's a sexy blonde

lady, and there's a sexy blonde

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lady on that, and on and on it goes.

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And it is kind of interesting, like,

if you don't like Voyager, people

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say, well, you'll love Battlestar

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Xhafer: yeah.

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We do

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Ryan: Except for it has a gritty

dude as the leader, instead of

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a nice lady with a big hair bun.

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Xhafer: Like, we watched Babylon 5,

and not Deep Space Nine, never watching

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Battlestar Galactica, and not Voyager

It's coincidence, you know, it's just,

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I mean, we picked this show because

you've been meaning to see it, and It

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was just something that worked for us and

something that I was excited to re watch.

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But, part of me is all like, We

haven't even talked about what

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we're doing after Battlestar yet,

but I'm gonna have to see what the

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Enterprise equivalent is, I suppose.

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Heh heh heh heh heh.

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Laura: Yeah, we're like

the anti Star Trek podcast.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, there's, I

mean, n nothing, this is not shade

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to you at all, Ryan, because I do

enjoy Youngman when I do listen to it.

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But there are a lot of Star

Trek podcasts out there.

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It is a very competitive space, and I

don't think we can hang in that space.

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Maybe we could, I don't know.

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I feel

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like our brand of dick and fart

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Ryan: very competitive space.

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And I don't think can hang in that space.

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Battlestar dominate the sci

fi landscape where Enterprise

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tried to become Battlestar.

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So did Stargate, with Stargate

Universe tried to become Battlestar.

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And the respective fanbases of

those either loved or hated it,

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like people love the final season.

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of Enterprise because

it, like, it does stuff.

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And people hated Stargate Universe

because it wasn't Stargate, it was

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all gritty and mean and people are

wearing tank tops and being angsty

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and the camera is all shaky and

there's no colour anymore and

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it's like, yep, that's Battlestar.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Fair enough.

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Laura: Lots of tank tops.

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So, So many

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tank tops.

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We need two at a time.

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Xhafer: It's an easy Halloween costume

I can say from back in the day.

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heh heh.

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Early 2000s college fair when this

show was on, definitely looked at the

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Battlestar outfits and That's the easiest

Halloween costume I could put together.

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Ryan: went, That's the easiest

Halloween costume I could put together.

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Yeah.

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And I

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Oh, that, I love

that and I hate that.

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Ryan: fun

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's just like, it is a fun

little thing that they do.

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That is how like things

are different here.

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they never talk about it.

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Right.

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I don't, I don't recall

them ever talking it's just

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Ryan: here.

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Like, they never talk about it.

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Right.

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Laura: Wait,

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Ryan: recall them ever talking about it.

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No, only B5 was brave enough to give

them pockets because Jerry Doyle

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wanted to put his hands in something.

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Laura: Oh, for real, Yeah.

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Ryan: That's true,

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Laura: Now I'm gonna be staring

at their, their pants pockets.

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Ryan: BSG, they're gritty

and real, but no pants

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Xhafer: no pants

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Laura: Well, that's just

a day for a woman, so.

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Xhafer: Fair.

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well, we may as well

get into this episode.

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We haven't really been doing cold opens,

or games, or questions in Battlestar.

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So.

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Ryan: Do you want me to

tell you my history with

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Xhafer: I would love to

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Laura: I would love that.

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Ryan: So I saw the miniseries when it

initially aired and I didn't understand

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why there wasn't more of the show because

there was a gap, there was a bit of a

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gap, at least here in Australia, between

the miniseries and then the actual show.

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Then the show came along.

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And I enjoyed the first season,

but for whatever reason, I didn't

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finish watching the first season.

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I dropped off at some point within it.

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I think there was just a lot of shows on.

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You know, I was all into like, Heroes,

and Lost, and Desperate Housewives, you

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know, the big three.

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And you know, it's competing against

the big three, and you know, someone

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has to win out, and in the end, the

only winner was Desperate Housewives.

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Um, it was the best show.

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Great show.

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But um, I, I left it, and I never looked

back, but then, and I won't give it away,

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but a certain actor appears later in the

show, and I said, well, if they're in it.

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I'm going to have to watch the show.

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So without going back or anything,

because this was the days where

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I didn't have any video or DVD

and they weren't re airing it.

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So I just plumped my way a bit

through season 3 and I was just

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like, sure, this is happening now.

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I'll just pick up the pieces as I go.

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I'll just try and figure out

whatever the heck's going on.

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And I watched the show and I have feelings

about how it ends and how it goes,

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but overall I have A slight fondness

for it, but it doesn't rank as high

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in my sci fi stuff as it does for many

other people, but I respect it a lot.

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And it did set the tone for a lot of sci

fi TV to come that we still see today.

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Uh, You know, you still see a lot of

this stuff and, you know, Ronald D.

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Moore is a guy that's still

working, he's still pumping out

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shows, he's still doing his thing.

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And you just, you know, this is a show

where, you know, TNG, you know, really

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cut his teeth on, but this is the one

where he, I think, cemented what his style

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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I will say, um, this rewatch

for me has been very interesting

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from two perspectives.

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One, it is completely, like,

taking the very critical eye,

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especially in this first season.

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Right now has changed how I feel

about the finale a great deal.

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I will say that.

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And then the other thing is my

current airing favorite show, I

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think it's safe to say, is For All

I do really enjoy For All Mankind.

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And to see.

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That through this lens of his earlier

artistic, like, this is the first show

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that he really truly ran himself and

to see what his choices and the things

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that are going on here and compare it

to that, a lot more so in the, like,

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dialogue and cinematography kind of style

stuff, more so than the plot, obviously,

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because they're very different shows,

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but not as different as

one might think sometimes.

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So.

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That's been very interesting for me,

and also, listener, if you haven't

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given For All Mankind a shot, do it.

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Uh, We'll see if

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it

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Ryan: also, listener, if

you haven't given Sprawl

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Mankind a do too.

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I swear he does.

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It's a time travel show, so

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Xhafer: Outlander's a time

travel sho I know nothing

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's a, it's a girly time

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Ryan: yeah, yeah, he does Outlander.

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Yeah yeah.

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It's a time travel y show.

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it's in different time periods.

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He's from the future, he's from

the past, wibbly wobbly nonsense.

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My wife watches it, she seems to enjoy it.

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Xhafer: Yeah, it was always coded

to me as this is a, like, smutty

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romance novel that's on Showtime.

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Ryan: Yep.

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Xhafer: And so,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Oh, okay.

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Ryan: R.

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R.

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Martin loved it.

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He always kept talking about it more

than the last season of Game of Thrones.

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Xhafer: Huh.

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Well, I mean, it must have had

a cohesive plot he could follow.

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so,

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Ryan: And Shatner loves it too.

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He always, he always was tweeting

about it when it was first starting.

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So there you go.

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Laura: Huh.

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Ryan: Ronald D.

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Moore has his finger on the,

on many different pulses.

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I mean, makes sense.

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So think about it.

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BSG is horny.

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Outlander is horny.

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For all mankind, not horny.

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Not really

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Xhafer: mean, it has, and the horny it

does have is horny I'm not interested in.

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there's some stuff there where

I'm just all like, oh god, these

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characters aren't, are they?

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so,

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Okay, well, maybe, maybe, listener, if

I uh, if I win this next season of Last

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Time On Here, if I, if I win the Viper

season, maybe Outlander's the show I pick.

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Laura: yes.

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Hell yeah.

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Xhafer: Okay, I'll make a note now.

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Vic, Ben, this is your

official on air warning.

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If I win the Viper season of

LTO, I'm picking Outlander.

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Ryan: The

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Laura: notice given.

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Xhafer: Alright, we ready to

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talk about this episode?

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Xhafer: We've got Season

1, Episode 9, Tie Me Up.

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Tie me down.

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Laura: So

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I think that there were probably other

reasons that Ryan picked this episode,

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but the second I saw this title, I

was like, oh, that's Ryan's episode.

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Ryan: second I saw this title, I

was like, oh, that's Ryan's episode.

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Give, give Ronald this.

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You know he's from Star Trek

because play on word titles

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involving a character's name.

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That's quintessential Star Trek, baby.

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That's quint I think Babylon 5 only did

one of that with Via, Sixth Transit Via.

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That was the only one was like,

oh, let's use a character's name

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and do a little play on words.

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And then never again.

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I think we had whatever happened to Mystic

Araboldi, but that's just a question.

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That's not like a little Punny name.

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This one's BS G's like such a grim

dark show, but they're wearing singlets

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all the time that are really silly

looking and they say frack, but also

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episodes will have time me down,

you know, like this, where he is

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like, oh, the character's name's Ty.

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Let's use it.

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Let's use it for pun.

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Fuck it.

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He's a funny

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I love it.

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A plus title.

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Very good.

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Xhafer: We open in CIC here.

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The president is straight lurking above.

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Adama goes to talk with Gaeta real quick.

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They have their Cylon detector.

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Rosalyn suggests Adama

be the first one tested.

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Which, fair.

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Uh I,

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Ryan: say

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Laura: huh.

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Xhafer: whoever is picking the

order of people to be tested is

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the first one who should be tested.

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And that's either going

to be Adama or Rosalyn.

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And I think,

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I

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mean, Rosalyn I think could have

approached this a little bit differently

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and gone, you're going to pick who

goes, which means you go first.

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And I think you can't argue

with that logic, especially

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someone like Adama, who's a very

straightforward, like, no, that's fair.

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I'll do it.

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Instead of the I don't trust

you way that she goes about it.

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Obviously this is coming off the

end of last episode, where Liobhan

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was all like, Adama's a Psylocke!

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Laura: Yeah.

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And it's only been three days in

show time because they tell us

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later that we're 28 days out and

we were 25 in the last episode.

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So it's a, it's, she's had a

few days to like stew about it.

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Did, did we catch that

this episode is directed

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by Edward James

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Ryan: Yes, his directorial debut,

his first directorial effort in BSG.

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He will have a, a few more,

but this one very distinct and

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I'll give him credit as well.

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Lots of creative visuals,

like interesting visuals.

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Ones that we haven't really seen

in the show up until this point.

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I would say like.

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This episode, from the drop, you

know it's different because it's

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got a playful atmosphere to it.

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From the performances, from

the music, to the visuals.

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And it's so, just, humorous to think

that, that he is given the, the, and

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let's just say it, the kind of comedy

episode of the, of the run so far.

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It's him who gets it,

and I, I love that for

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Xhafer: the, the, this first shot with

like from the, like bottom down up from

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CIC looking up with Rosaly ahead, was

clearly formulated by someone who stood

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in that spot, looked behind them, and

gone, oh, that will be a cool shot.

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And, and he's a hundred percent right,

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Laura: Adama and Rosalind are framed

as mom and dad all the time, and the

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second this opened, I was like, oh,

mom is watching over her children.

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And also dad, like, it was, it was so

good, so I started out noticing it the

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second I saw that Edward James Olmos was

the director, and then just throughout,

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there's so many good visual spots.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Adama tries to get Roslyn to go

first for like a second, but he

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knows an L when he is got one, and

he just accepts being first on the

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Laura: Yeah, I mean, he's the

one in charge of all the guns.

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He needs to be the one trusted the most.

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Like, Roslyn, you know, she's in

charge and whatever, she's the leader

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of the human race at this point,

but she's not the one holding the

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Like, if there's a scale of everyone

alive right now, and we put them

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on 0 to 10 on how easy it would be

for them to just decide the fleet

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was done, ranks a lot higher

than Rosalind on that.

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Ryan: He has a lot of

control, but also a lot

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of respect, which means

he should be tested first.

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Because we see in this episode too,

many people still don't respect her.

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They still joke about her, calling

her a kindergarten teacher,

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and, Oh, is she really a leader?

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Can we, who cares?

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But with him, no one questions it.

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The most they question is, like,

is he stable mentally right now?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, and so much of that is the

great job they did with his history,

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you know, because he's a war hero.

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You know, they talk about

it in the miniseries.

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It's all like, you know, he's

here captaining the last ship.

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He's the hero of the last war.

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He was an ace fighter pilot.

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Like, all this stuff about him.

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He is a known variable.

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Which is why I think the only apprehension

he has is because he probably feels like

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that reputation puts him kind of above

Cylon reproach because he's such a known

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factor for such a long time of human

history, unlike someone like a boomer.

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Who has super mysterious past

and is questioning everything

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and has no living relatives.

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Like we got when she was doing

her Cylon test last episode.

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Laura: Uh

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Huh.

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Xhafer: So, but at the same

time he's just like, Yeah, I,

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I, I'm gonna have to, I should.

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Someone, if I don't, they'll question it.

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So he just goes for it.

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After this we cut over to Billy

and Dee, who are out on a date.

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Laura: In the make out room.

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We just have a room in front

of the ship for making out.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Ryan: you remember in Deep Space

Nine, Jake and Nog used to like

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stand near that big window?

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I feel like this is BSG's version of that

big window, it's like, we're gonna have

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characters have longing conversations

near a big window where they look at

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stuff and like, the thrust of the scene

is like, not romantic, it's the fact

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that he is actually pumping her for

information and she catches him out on

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that, and then he's like, Nooooo, I'm

just a cute little guy, look at me and

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my 2000's haircut, I'm just a little guy!

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You can't blame me for doing

that, I'm just romantic and sweet.

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Xhafer: blame Billy.

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Yeah, she spills that Adama's

been making these, like, off

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the books calls and stuff.

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Some,

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Laura: No, not good.

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Not good.

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:

Not good.

398

:

Xhafer: some, weird behavior.

399

:

So, Laura, having not seen the show

before, And obviously we get to the

400

:

end, and a little bit of this not

knowing what's going on at this moment,

401

:

between last episode and this, was

there a second in your brain where

402

:

you thought Adama might be a Cylon?

403

:

Laura: Well, now I'm questioning Adama

and Rosalyn at every turn because

404

:

of A not hint sort of hint you gave

me a few episodes back and I'm very

405

:

paranoid about the both of them.

406

:

Xhafer: it.

407

:

Okay.

408

:

That's fair.

409

:

Laura: I really don't want mom

and dad to be Cylons, but it feels

410

:

like at least one of a Cylon.

411

:

And I'm just going back and forth

on what could possibly be happening.

412

:

But no, I mean, this, this seemed set up

as like a classic fake out, so I wasn't.

413

:

Yeah.

414

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

415

:

my notes here say, is this show trying to

play this too hard, or am I just a billy?

416

:

And that, of course,

Adama can't be a Cylon.

417

:

Ryan: I just a villain?

418

:

In that, of course, it's not a

419

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

420

:

After this, we cut over to our network

mandated Gaius and Six PTA scene.

421

:

Laura: No, I

422

:

I do actually identify with Gaius in

this scene because he is contemplating

423

:

suicide over the face of a, a

tedious and mind numbing task.

424

:

And I'm like, yeah, okay.

425

:

Xhafer: He's got, he does

the math, I'm so proud.

426

:

Uh, 61 years of Cylon tests await him.

427

:

Which, man, if there's Cylons in the

fleet and you can evade them for 61

428

:

years, you didn't need the Cylon detector.

429

:

Ryan: No.

430

:

Laura: Oh, good point.

431

:

Yeah.

432

:

Xhafer: It doesn't really

433

:

Laura: He, needs an efficiency guy

or some lab techs or something.

434

:

Like.

435

:

For real.

436

:

Xhafer: Yeah, like, I I, I have to

assume that the limiting factor here

437

:

is a nuke because if there wasn't a

limiting factor like that, then he would

438

:

be getting those research, like, Gaius

is way too bored to not be like Hey

439

:

let's hand this over to Gaeta now that

it's working, and give me another nuke

440

:

and I'll build another one, and then we

can do this in 30 years instead of 60.

441

:

just, that's simple sell it math.

442

:

Like, the eight, the eleven hour

time limit, you have to understand

443

:

that's gonna take too long.

444

:

Ryan: He can't trust anyone

else on this project because he

445

:

himself Is the untrustworthy one.

446

:

Like, that's the big thing of this

episode, too, is just like, Oh,

447

:

no, I'll manage it on my own, and

I'll be the one that tells everyone

448

:

if it's a negative or a positive.

449

:

You can trust little old

me, Gaius Baltar, who's

450

:

Laura: Definitely.

451

:

Ryan: in the room with the

452

:

tests.

453

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

454

:

Laura: Oh my gosh.

455

:

Before we go into some of that.

456

:

I really was impressed with the music

in this scene, like such that I'm

457

:

pausing to take my notes and I'm like,

man, I wonder what piece this is.

458

:

I wonder what they got for this.

459

:

And Aaron's Googling it and

he's like, they made it.

460

:

This is called Battlestar

461

:

Operatica.

462

:

Ryan: Yes.

463

:

Laura: McCreary composed it just for this.

464

:

I was thinking like, oh, we found

some like obscure Baroque composer and

465

:

picked an opera of his so that people

wouldn't like clock it as Mozart, you

466

:

Ryan: Nope.

467

:

And the lyrics, some of them

are like references to your

468

:

girlfriend's a toaster and she's a

robot lady and that's very funny.

469

:

Again, this episode top

to bottom is very funny.

470

:

Like, I don't know what happened

in the production where they

471

:

just, they just decided this week

we're drinking the silly juice.

472

:

Laura: Yeah.

473

:

Xhafer: Sci fi

474

:

Ryan: Edward, we need you to direct the

funniest sex scene of the show, please.

475

:

Laura: so, awful.

476

:

It's so awful.

477

:

guys.

478

:

Okay, you want to

479

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so, in the light of how

much monotony is staring Baltar in the

480

:

eyes you know, he's all like, surely there

must be some rewards for my good behavior.

481

:

And so, 6PT kind of just like bends over

the table and he's all like, alright.

482

:

And so, they start to have dream sex.

483

:

Um,

484

:

Ryan: He takes off his pants.

485

:

It has to be noted.

486

:

He fully takes off

487

:

Xhafer: yeah, no.

488

:

Ryan: not

489

:

just He's

490

:

Xhafer: This is real sex for Baltar.

491

:

100%.

492

:

In his mind, this is actual sex.

493

:

I don't,

494

:

I don't know how this is actually working.

495

:

Like, like when you remove 6, it

kind of looks like his hand was

496

:

in an area to be masturbating.

497

:

But he also could have just been, like,

setting it up for some penetration.

498

:

And his hand might not have

been there the whole time.

499

:

Ryan: hand might not have

500

:

been there the I just don't

know if he was like, I

501

:

Xhafer: Man I just don't know if he was

like, I wanna know what Starbucks sees.

502

:

Just, cause I have to imagine it's obvious

503

:

to him, or obvious to her,

that he is just masturbating.

504

:

Right.

505

:

Ryan: And she doesn't care.

506

:

She's just so beat down, so

world weary, she doesn't care.

507

:

She's just like, you want

me here for blood tests, so

508

:

let's get this fucking going.

509

:

I've got other things to do.

510

:

I will praise the direction on this

scene, because The six, you know,

511

:

whenever she appears, I find many

times over it's very uncreative.

512

:

She just is there.

513

:

Like, oh, she's popped

out from behind his head.

514

:

But Edward James almost goes out

of his way to come up with creative

515

:

ways of having her show up.

516

:

Like, we have the camera there looking

at Boltar from like, you know, profile

517

:

and it pans down and now we see her

legs underneath the table and you're

518

:

like, okay, where did they come from?

519

:

And then when we pan up She's fully there

and we keep doing that like going up and

520

:

down the table and making her disappear

and appear and all of that and then The

521

:

door opened and the hard cut and she's

disappeared entirely and then when she

522

:

reappears It's actually quite a startling

image as Boltar's talking to Starbuck, but

523

:

like, there's Six there with her arse out,

and it's like, very confronting, and very

524

:

awkward, and you actually get, for once, a

real sensation of what it must be like for

525

:

Boltar to kind of have the pat your head

rub your tummy approach to conversations,

526

:

because he has Starbuck talking to

him, but also he's kind of just had

527

:

his penis in a lady, and it's just this

awkward, weird, weird world he lives in.

528

:

Laura: Yeah.

529

:

Ryan: woad for this poor little guy.

530

:

Laura: Ugh.

531

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

532

:

Laura: I, 6PT goes away

at some point, right guys?

533

:

I don't, I

534

:

Xhafer: Oh, oh, like the car.

535

:

Oh, I thought you mentioned the scene.

536

:

Um, I'm just gonna do the,

the not answer face for that

537

:

Laura: Yeah.

538

:

I mean, obviously 6 has to stay a

going concern for a while, but I

539

:

need 6PT to disappear at some point.

540

:

I am so tired of these shenanigans.

541

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

542

:

Starbuck is just so done with his shit.

543

:

I have to imagine like you're a

fighter pilot on an aircraft carrier.

544

:

Walking on someone masturbating

is like, not, hopefully not an

545

:

everyday thing, but also this

546

:

is

547

:

Ryan: but also Yeah, no, truly.

548

:

I think if they had like a little

549

:

Laura: Yeah, no, truly, I think HR,

if they had like a little office for

550

:

HR on Battlestar Galactica, you know,

the poor little blonde lady that's

551

:

sitting there, like, making sure all

the paychecks get cut and everything?

552

:

She just like barricaded

herself in her office, right?

553

:

She's just

554

:

not

555

:

Ryan: and everything.

556

:

She just

557

:

like, barricaded herself

in her office, right?

558

:

Xhafer: think I need to move

to Colonial One, no reason.

559

:

Uh,

560

:

Ryan: After this, we cut over

561

:

Xhafer: yeah.

562

:

after this, we cut over to Colonel

Tye, who is at the last of his whiskey.

563

:

Presumably whiskey, I don't think

they ever define what liquor it is.

564

:

It's a brown liquor,

I assume it's whiskey.

565

:

Ryan: He gets green liquor

566

:

Xhafer: Yes.

567

:

But he's at the end, he pours out the

last little bit, and is just like, Okay,

568

:

well, at least I didn't drink that.

569

:

I must be, I must be cured

of my alcoholism now.

570

:

I turned down half of a

571

:

shot.

572

:

Laura: Uh huh.

573

:

I didn't drink it all.

574

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

575

:

Laura: Not all of

576

:

Ryan: small

577

:

Xhafer: It is a step in the

right direction for to start

578

:

to deal with this issue.

579

:

Ryan: Yeah, thank god he's quit drinking.

580

:

Finally, I hope this won't come up

in the episode that we're watching.

581

:

Xhafer: He pulls out a picture

with the face burned out of it.

582

:

Ryan: Mhmm.

583

:

Xhafer: So there's this scene, and

then in a couple of scenes, to skip

584

:

ahead a little bit, we'll go back,

but When Adama arrives with Mrs.

585

:

Tai, we only see her legs

for a little bit, too.

586

:

Do you think they're trying

587

:

to make us think he was married to a six?

588

:

Just for like a minute, just like

plant that idea in your head.

589

:

Laura: well, we've seen her face before

because we saw him burn the hole in her

590

:

face in the miniseries, I'm pretty sure.

591

:

Ryan: Yeah, well, yes and no.

592

:

So battle style does this it's kind

of dirty pool, so Yes, you did,

593

:

but it was a different actress.

594

:

It was a picture of a producer's

wife in the miniseries because they

595

:

didn't obviously know they were gonna

get one, and so they re-shot the

596

:

scene for the previously on with this

actress's face in the photo instead.

597

:

So.

598

:

That way it's like, see, you

guys have subliminally been

599

:

taught that this woman exists.

600

:

Xhafer: I love all the research

you do when you come onto this

601

:

podcast that we refuse to.

602

:

Thank you so much, Ryan.

603

:

Laura: I can't.

604

:

I can't.

605

:

do the

606

:

Xhafer: And I just won't,

607

:

so.

608

:

Ryan: I yeah, without getting into it,

the Battlestar Galactica previously

609

:

ons are notorious and nefarious,

is how I would describe them.

610

:

They tell you things, and then sometimes

they just put stuff in there that wasn't

611

:

in other episodes, and you just have

to go, whatever, I'm in for the ride,

612

:

and that's like one of those where it's

like, it's kinda not really there, but

613

:

it doesn't matter, cause we're gonna

meet her anyway, and she'll be here.

614

:

You just have to be like,

she's in the episode.

615

:

Laura: Yeah,

616

:

okay, I definitely remembered seeing

the picture and burning the hole, but I

617

:

didn't know it was a different picture.

618

:

That's very nice.

619

:

Very clever.

620

:

Thank you, Ryan.

621

:

Xhafer: And then we get our B plot.

622

:

Finally kicks off here.

623

:

As a raider jumps in

Apollo hits it real quick.

624

:

Jumps out.

625

:

but it's like right back immediately.

626

:

So, the raider's been damaged,

and its jump drive is failing

627

:

somehow, and it can't get

628

:

Is what we see to be going on here.

629

:

Laura: Yeah, we call him a wounded bird.

630

:

I think it's Colonel

Tai who gets that line

631

:

Xhafer: yeah.

632

:

and so, when this happens,

Adama is off ship.

633

:

So Ty's in charge, and he's

kind of bewildered because Ty

634

:

is not used to being in charge.

635

:

But he does the right

636

:

thing.

637

:

Ryan: he doesn't know where he is.

638

:

He doesn't know where Adama is.

639

:

He hasn't been informed.

640

:

That's like another part of the whole,

like, wind up of why Rosalind starts

641

:

getting a fever pitch during the episode.

642

:

Because it's like, ah, he's doing

all of these things without going

643

:

through the chain of command!

644

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

645

:

Laura: too many secrets.

646

:

Too many secrets.

647

:

Xhafer: But Ty's all like, okay, well

if this thing can't jump away, throw

648

:

a raptor out there and start watching

its signals and pay attention to it

649

:

and maybe we can get some intelligence.

650

:

we

651

:

Ryan: can get some intelligence.

652

:

Is it the same ship that we have in

653

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

654

:

Ryan: already?

655

:

Laura: Another one though, right?

656

:

Is it the same ship

that we have in the bay

657

:

Xhafer: No, it's a, it's a different ship.

658

:

Laura: Oh, it's a different kind?

659

:

Ryan: but

660

:

Xhafer: So.

661

:

Ryan: different, it's

662

:

Xhafer: Well, it's the same type of

ship, but it's a, different it's not the

663

:

exact, it's not the one in the bay that

664

:

Laura: Right, right.

665

:

But we have this type

666

:

Xhafer: so at this point, Adama

makes it back to the hangar

667

:

bay and we get the reveal.

668

:

Saul's wife, Elantai, is alive.

669

:

Laura: Yeah.

670

:

Xhafer: Dun, dun,

671

:

Laura: I started calling her

the real housewife of Battlestar

672

:

Ryan: Yes, this actress has been in

a bunch, she's in a million things,

673

:

her father was in even more things,

he was the dean in Animal House, so

674

:

there's that fun.

675

:

Um, and often played

those type of characters.

676

:

But I, I, I'm, she was in a Star Trek or

two and I'm like, oh, and I looked it up.

677

:

Yeah, she was in a Ronald D.

678

:

Moore Star Trek episode.

679

:

So I was like, oh, that's why you're here.

680

:

Laura: Yeah.

681

:

Makes sense.

682

:

Xhafer: after this we cut over to Cabrica

Blue as Sharon and Hilo are on the run.

683

:

Sharon suggests that they go to

Delphi to find a ship off world.

684

:

Laura: Yeah.

685

:

She tells him that they're running because

she I overheard some critical information,

686

:

Xhafer: some deployment

687

:

Laura: and now they're chasing her,

688

:

Ryan: a great plot this is, huh guys?

689

:

Real riveting stuff.

690

:

I'm glad that we cut away from the,

the high stakes action and story on,

691

:

on the Galactica side to, to this.

692

:

I sure hope that the episode

isn't just, they climb a ladder.

693

:

I hope that isn't the end

result of their storyline.

694

:

I sure hope that

695

:

they can do some, some major

696

:

I sure hope it isn't just about

two boring people walking around

697

:

for two scenes and that's it.

698

:

I sure hope that there's more to this.

699

:

I'm glad that this didn't completely

cut the legs off the pacing of

700

:

a really fastly paced episode.

701

:

Oh, I'm so glad that

we, we have this here.

702

:

Xhafer: this first season is tight.

703

:

It's 13 episodes.

704

:

And part of me wonders if you got

rid of an episode in here and maybe

705

:

shifted them all back a little

bit or something and then before

706

:

the two part finale you just

did all of the Boomer and Hilo

707

:

stuff in a single episode.

708

:

If that would

709

:

Ryan: Uh,

710

:

you're indicating that their story

throughout the season just feels

711

:

like you could have told it in

one episode rather than spreading

712

:

it across as a

713

:

multi

714

:

Xhafer: Yes.

715

:

Ryan: Yeah.

716

:

Yep.

717

:

Laura: Yeah.

718

:

But I rely on this to tell me how

long it's been since everything,

719

:

since this is the only time they

give me the day's timestamps,

720

:

You

721

:

Ryan: You know what it should do?

722

:

It should just, whenever this plotline

comes up, it should just be these two

723

:

characters holding up the wiki and

holding it to the screen just for you.

724

:

Just

725

:

Laura: Yeah.

726

:

Ryan: the update on what's

happening in the show.

727

:

Laura: That would fulfill

my needs, yeah, yeah.

728

:

Xhafer: I feel like it would have been

a good episode, better than the uh,

729

:

the sum of its parts would be better

than the little clips we get of the

730

:

storyline as it progresses the season.

731

:

But at the same time, I don't

know what episodes you cut.

732

:

Ryan: season.

733

:

But at the

734

:

Xhafer: And that, that's like, I

don't, I think that's the actual issue

735

:

here, is if it had been a 14 episode

season, you pull all this out, you

736

:

make it its own episode But because

737

:

Ryan: a 14 episode season,

you pull all this out, you

738

:

make it its own episode easy.

739

:

Xhafer: yeah,

740

:

Laura: Uh

741

:

huh.

742

:

Xhafer: Carl, I mean, it's pretty clear,

like, I think we maybe talked about

743

:

this, I think Ben brought it up, that

he wasn't meant to survive, they weren't

744

:

planning on going back to Hilo initially.

745

:

He just was going

746

:

to be left on Caprica in the

miniseries, and then they liked the

747

:

actor enough where they did this.

748

:

And I will say he

749

:

Ryan: to be left on left on

Caprico in the miniseries.

750

:

And then they liked the actor

enough where they did this.

751

:

Laura: Yeah.

752

:

We, We, just keep shooting

ourselves with the Anti radiation.

753

:

It'll be, it'll be fine.

754

:

Xhafer: I do wonder, because they're

like very much in a city, and

755

:

they're planning on going to a uh,

a military base of some variety.

756

:

It's just like, how is this stuff still

757

:

Ryan: just little nukes.

758

:

Xhafer: They've just carpet

bombed the planet with nukes.

759

:

Like, we see nukes everywhere.

760

:

Ryan: I've played enough Metal

Gear Solid to believe that.

761

:

So, uh,

762

:

Xhafer: I've played enough Metal

Gear Solid to believe that.

763

:

Alright, so, uh Rosalyn calls

Baltar to check in on Adama's test,

764

:

Laura: Uh

765

:

Xhafer: and this is where we

learn that he, Adama had his test

766

:

replaced in the priority by Ellen's.

767

:

To the audience, of course, this

is understandable, but with the

768

:

last name missing, the president

is all like, Who the fuck?

769

:

What?

770

:

And instead of just calling

Adama and having a conversation,

771

:

Ugh, we get drama.

772

:

Laura: So speaking,

773

:

Ryan: he call her and tell

her that's what he's doing?

774

:

Xhafer: Fair.

775

:

Communication

776

:

is

777

:

Laura: I'm gonna counter you both.

778

:

Why didn't Baltar call Roslyn

779

:

and say,

780

:

Adama cancelled his test?

781

:

Ryan: He was too busy exercising.

782

:

That's what he was doing.

783

:

He was just going to bring up his back.

784

:

Xhafer: Baltar didn't call because

that would be confrontation.

785

:

And if there is a defining characteristic

of this man, it is avoiding confrontation.

786

:

Laura: Ugh, I'm so tired of this man.

787

:

Ryan: I love him.

788

:

I love him.

789

:

You know, I'll say this.

790

:

No other actor Could make this work

the way that James Callis does this.

791

:

He's so Good as Bolta

because he's despicable.

792

:

He's slimy.

793

:

He's funny He's I wouldn't say

charming, but he's engaging nonetheless.

794

:

Like he's very engaging I'm loving his

performance Castlevania show as Alucard.

795

:

It's just like great.

796

:

I love him He reminds me of Bashir

They look similar to one another.

797

:

It's a crime that they got

him on uh, James Callis on

798

:

Picard to not play a Bashir.

799

:

It's actually quite

evil that they did that.

800

:

Um,

801

:

Xhafer: been so easy.

802

:

Just make the character's name Bashir.

803

:

It's fine.

804

:

Ryan: No, he's Picard's dad somehow.

805

:

I don't know.

806

:

Cause he's British.

807

:

Laura: Right.

808

:

Yeah, no, James Callis

is doing a fantastic job.

809

:

I have to keep, like, acknowledging

that, that this actor is incredible,

810

:

this is a feat that he is pulling off,

that I hate this man so, so very much.

811

:

Xhafer: This is like Here's how good

of a job James Callis does, right?

812

:

The evil doctor who's with the good

guys but is kind of a bad guy is a

813

:

sci fi trope in all of sci fi history.

814

:

Until this point, and there are other

examples of it after this, but James

815

:

Callis does it so well that most other

shows just don't bother for a decade.

816

:

Ryan: hmm.

817

:

Xhafer: It's just like,

818

:

it's not going to be as good as Baltar,

and everyone's just going to say

819

:

that about this character regardless

of it really being more of a Dr.

820

:

Smith from Lost in Space

situation or something.

821

:

Like, it doesn't matter.

822

:

It's not going to be

823

:

Ryan: What happens if one of our main

ensemble members was Judas Iscariot?

824

:

Wouldn't that be fun, guys?

825

:

Wouldn't that be lovely and just nice?

826

:

Xhafer: Yeah, so anyways

Rosalind's all like, fuck this,

827

:

get back to Adama's sample.

828

:

Gaius is like, okay,

829

:

Ryan: to Adamu's sample.

830

:

and Saul, who start to catch We learn she

831

:

Xhafer: yep.

832

:

We go over to Ellen and

Saul, who start to catch up.

833

:

We learn she remembers

nothing of the last few weeks,

834

:

huh.

835

:

Ryan: Hmm.

836

:

Eh.

837

:

Just convenient.

838

:

Xhafer: She was on Pycon.

839

:

She was miraculously rescued.

840

:

Someone just threw her over their

shoulders and threw her on the ship.

841

:

And she's only been awake for a few days.

842

:

Ryan: she doesn't remember anything at

all until later in the episode where

843

:

she's like, I actually remember quite

a lot of things, especially about Bill.

844

:

But where did that come from?

845

:

I'm a trustworthy person.

846

:

Xhafer: Over in CIC we get an update

on the data gathering from the raider.

847

:

When Bill invites Lee to dinner.

848

:

Laura: Yeah,

849

:

big family dinner gonna happen.

850

:

You guys.

851

:

Xhafer: we cut back over to the

ties and learn their marriage

852

:

was in a pretty rough spot.

853

:

Laura: No no way.

854

:

I had no idea from the

burned hole in the face.

855

:

Xhafer: like, they agree to start

over as the president calls.

856

:

To talk to Ty about Adama and that's

when all of the pieces come together

857

:

I love this cut we get like a hard cut

to Baltar Restarting the test on Ellen

858

:

as soon as she knows what's going on.

859

:

I Love this cut.

860

:

This is such a good cut

861

:

Ryan: There's great comedic

cuts throughout this episode.

862

:

There's a lot of great blocking

for the comedic effect.

863

:

There's, you know, Edward James almost

isn't Isn't, like, stopping himself

864

:

to stick to the gritty handheld

style that we are so accustomed to.

865

:

There's a lot of sitcom framing in

this episode, and I appreciate it.

866

:

It gives it a bit more of a

unique quality to the episode.

867

:

Like, one of the reasons I chose this

one is like, when I think of season one,

868

:

What's an episode other than, like, the

first one, 33, that stands out real tall?

869

:

And, like, this is one of them, and it's

because of these little things, like, this

870

:

hard cut, like, people looking directly

to the camera with wild eyes, like, you

871

:

know, the sex scene with Six, like, all

of these things are extremely memorable,

872

:

and I think for, for good reasons.

873

:

Xhafer: so,

874

:

uh Ellen has booze ready.

875

:

Sol had finally given up on the

drinking, but he toasts to starting over.

876

:

And,

877

:

maybe I've got some prejudice here,

878

:

against Ellen's, admittedly, in general.

879

:

Laura: Oh

880

:

Xhafer: Uh,

881

:

but

882

:

Ryan: Uh, I love

883

:

Ellen.

884

:

Xhafer: worst.

885

:

But

886

:

Ryan: What a queen.

887

:

Laura: I knew you would.

888

:

Ryan: She's a fucking piece of shit.

889

:

I love her.

890

:

He doesn't just toast.

891

:

Don't Don't don't don't don't let's

not underplay this She takes a

892

:

drink and then she kisses him and

the implication is She's she spits

893

:

some into his mouth and the kiss

894

:

and that's him tasting and then she

forces it It's not just oh, come on.

895

:

It's not just peer pressure for C She

puts liquor in his mouth and now he

896

:

can't help himself She's a piece of

shit, but the way she's played and the

897

:

way they write her is pitch perfect, and

what I love is you're thinking, well,

898

:

how is their marriage dysfunctional?

899

:

Oh, let me guess.

900

:

He was their bad alcoholic, he's a

prick, we've seen Ty throughout the

901

:

show, look at him and Starbuck, they're

always clashing, oh, it'll be like that.

902

:

No, no, no, no.

903

:

His wife is the exact same as him.

904

:

That's where the conflict is.

905

:

They're both raging alcoholic weirdos.

906

:

Who don't know how to shut the fuck up.

907

:

I

908

:

Xhafer: They just spiral off of each

other and make each other so much worse.

909

:

Laura: The most suspicious thing that

happens in this scene to me is where

910

:

the fuck did she get that skimpy dress?

911

:

And Ty even asks, Where did

you get that skimpy dress?

912

:

And she won't say, and We've seen

Six doing this the whole time.

913

:

SixPT in her skimpy fucking dress.

914

:

That's, that's like the first,

oh shit, is she really a Cylon?

915

:

I cannot tell you guys how many

times I stopped to make notes.

916

:

Like, I had Erin pause the show and I'm

making my notes about whatever crazy

917

:

fucking thing Ellen is doing in this

particular scene and I'm sitting there

918

:

going, she is a Cylon, she isn't a

Cylon, she is a Cylon, she isn't a Cylon.

919

:

Like, So many times,

920

:

Xhafer: They, it's, it's so

obvious that it can't be true.

921

:

right?

922

:

That's this show.

923

:

Ryan: be true.

924

:

That's the show.

925

:

She just

926

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

927

:

Ryan: that much.

928

:

Yeah.

929

:

Yeah.

930

:

Laura: she just sucks that much.

931

:

Yeah.

932

:

Yeah.

933

:

Is is it silent or is it stupid?

934

:

With Ellen Tai, for real,

935

:

she's like the epitome.

936

:

We need to like,

937

:

take that and change the

battle bot to Ellen d

938

:

Ryan: said that her and Sol have a

lot in common, but the thing that we

939

:

take away from the end of this episode

is, we know the authentic version of

940

:

Sol, like that's reaffirmed at the

end, like, you're good at your job.

941

:

What's the authentic version of Ellen?

942

:

Like, every moment, very much in

this scene, she's just constantly

943

:

spinning different things

to get whatever she desires.

944

:

Like, she

945

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

946

:

Ryan: changes emotions just like that.

947

:

Laura: Yeah.

948

:

You know, one of the.

949

:

moments I had where I'm

like, is she a Cylon?

950

:

is she not a Cylon?

951

:

Like, I was talking myself in really

weird logics and one of them was Well,

952

:

we already have a sexy blonde lady Cylon.

953

:

So if we had a second

sexy blonde lady Cylon.

954

:

there's no diversity there.

955

:

But

956

:

then I

957

:

was

958

:

like,

959

:

Ryan: if they were like

an older Luxana Troi type

960

:

Laura: I was like, well, then

we have the older one now.

961

:

So that would be a thing,

962

:

Xhafer: Do they age?

963

:

Is she just an old six?

964

:

Like, how long have they been around?

965

:

What's going on?

966

:

There's a lot of questions.

967

:

Laura: And this one's dress is black

instead of red, and like, I, just so many

968

:

weird trades of thought that I went on.

969

:

Xhafer: We go to dinner.

970

:

Mrs.

971

:

Tai offers a view from the rest of the

fleet as she firmly inserts foot into

972

:

her mouth when she asks about Zack.

973

:

Ryan: Oh, that's not the only

place where she firmly puts her

974

:

Laura: Oh, it's just like

wedged up there the whole time.

975

:

Yeah, she calls Rosalind a

kindergarten teacher, and everybody's

976

:

wondering about that, and man.

977

:

Xhafer: your, your, your

husband's best friend.

978

:

and you don't know that his

son died, like, two, three

979

:

years ago at this point, right?

980

:

Whatever the time frame was.

981

:

Two years before the start of the

show, one year before the start

982

:

of the show, whatever it is.

983

:

and it's just like, they were

on, they're on the rocks.

984

:

And then there is, I have been

completely out of your life.

985

:

Laura: Uh

986

:

Huh.

987

:

Xhafer: clearly the latter.

988

:

Ryan: But she's also, really

drunk during this entire scene.

989

:

So is Sol.

990

:

Like, they're sloshed.

991

:

They're, they're completely off.

992

:

She, she is going all over the place.

993

:

She's like, Lee, you look

so much like your mother.

994

:

You're the spitting image of your mother.

995

:

I loved your mother.

996

:

She was great.

997

:

But also, she wants to fuck Lee.

998

:

And it's like, that's weird.

999

:

Very weird dynamic.

:

00:48:37,498 --> 00:48:39,868

She's like, Rosalyn, who the fuck are you?

:

00:48:39,868 --> 00:48:41,178

You're some kindergarten teacher.

:

00:48:41,208 --> 00:48:42,148

Well, I'm not saying that.

:

00:48:42,588 --> 00:48:43,318

I haven't said that.

:

00:48:43,338 --> 00:48:44,478

Everyone else is saying that.

:

00:48:44,548 --> 00:48:46,568

By the way, I've only been

awake a couple of days.

:

00:48:46,568 --> 00:48:47,758

I don't know much what's going on.

:

00:48:47,768 --> 00:48:51,028

Although, although, I do know

that the Cylons look like us.

:

00:48:51,108 --> 00:48:52,568

I've just heard that, actually.

:

00:48:53,118 --> 00:48:54,748

I guess word gets out fast, huh?

:

00:48:54,788 --> 00:48:57,988

And just like, they're all like,

they're all trying to read her, but

:

00:48:57,988 --> 00:49:03,468

she just is so over the top that she's

impossible for them to get a handle on.

:

00:49:03,588 --> 00:49:07,948

Like, is she In on something

or is she just annoying?

:

00:49:07,998 --> 00:49:12,528

Which is such What a wonderful

concept for a character.

:

00:49:12,948 --> 00:49:16,668

Like, oh, is she in on this or is she

just really fucking weird and annoying?

:

00:49:17,301 --> 00:49:21,911

Laura: Adama absolutely

invited Leigh as bait, right?

:

00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:22,590

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:49:23,152 --> 00:49:27,941

Laura: He, he was like, you know what, I'm

gonna see if she has changed throughout

:

00:49:27,941 --> 00:49:30,701

this life altering experience at all.

:

00:49:31,615 --> 00:49:32,715

Xhafer: There's, there's that.

:

00:49:32,845 --> 00:49:35,775

Also, like, obviously, they have history.

:

00:49:35,835 --> 00:49:39,075

Like, he's met Ellen Tai before, you know,

:

00:49:40,215 --> 00:49:40,735

So,

:

00:49:40,895 --> 00:49:42,175

it was part of that, too.

:

00:49:43,455 --> 00:49:45,855

So, I, it's, ugh, yeah.

:

00:49:46,025 --> 00:49:49,140

Rosalind being there is

the weird bit, admittedly.

:

00:49:49,582 --> 00:49:50,079

Ryan: a

:

00:49:50,146 --> 00:49:55,376

Laura: he's gotta prove to Rosalind,

like, that I was worried about this thing,

:

00:49:55,406 --> 00:49:57,636

you know, this person is a real thing.

:

00:49:58,251 --> 00:50:02,251

And I love that Rosalind, like, the

second Ellen walks out of the room

:

00:50:02,251 --> 00:50:04,791

is like, You think she is a Cylon?

:

00:50:04,801 --> 00:50:06,981

This woman is just a drunk, messy bitch.

:

00:50:07,001 --> 00:50:07,381

Like,

:

00:50:07,753 --> 00:50:08,463

Ryan: hmm.

:

00:50:08,983 --> 00:50:14,033

You know, this scene is

cringe inducing, of course.

:

00:50:14,033 --> 00:50:15,362

That's its nature.

:

00:50:16,192 --> 00:50:22,632

But, it, you know, oftentimes when you

get an actor who's the director, you

:

00:50:22,632 --> 00:50:28,667

often will see that those are the greatly

acted episodes, or the very, like Funny

:

00:50:28,747 --> 00:50:35,017

episodes, and I think what really is,

you know, held up in this scene is all

:

00:50:35,017 --> 00:50:38,957

of these actors are like using what

we love best about them in the scene,

:

00:50:38,957 --> 00:50:44,077

even though it's a comedic scene, like

Rosalyn, she's being very like, Stern

:

00:50:44,077 --> 00:50:47,107

but also inquisitive and like there's all

these moments where she's just kind of

:

00:50:47,107 --> 00:50:51,837

like coily looking at things and I love

her for doing that like as a performer.

:

00:50:51,837 --> 00:50:56,477

I love when she does like, a scene will

just be her giving that little insincere

:

00:50:56,477 --> 00:51:00,837

smile as someone says something and you

can tell she's just like logging that away

:

00:51:00,837 --> 00:51:02,647

as like, I'm gonna use that later on them.

:

00:51:02,897 --> 00:51:06,547

Or you guys have Lee who's just

like the ultimate stick in the mud.

:

00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:09,387

And you're like, what happens

if this stick in the mud got,

:

00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:11,057

something shoved up them?

:

00:51:11,097 --> 00:51:12,257

And you're like, oh good.

:

00:51:12,617 --> 00:51:17,847

And then, you know, even though Ellen,

we've just met her, you're like, it's

:

00:51:17,847 --> 00:51:21,257

actually quite amazing that they find

a way of like, how can we ramp this

:

00:51:21,257 --> 00:51:25,207

character up even more, even though

we've just met her for like two scenes.

:

00:51:25,417 --> 00:51:30,657

And of course Saul, you know, he's,

he's always complicated because he's

:

00:51:30,657 --> 00:51:31,927

my favorite character of the show.

:

00:51:31,927 --> 00:51:32,987

I like him a lot.

:

00:51:33,337 --> 00:51:38,087

And I think what I like about him is, I

both love and hate him as a person, like,

:

00:51:38,087 --> 00:51:42,927

he's very good at his job, and he's a good

friend, and he can get stuff done, but

:

00:51:42,927 --> 00:51:47,627

he's a very destructive personality, like,

he's drinking, but also he's militarism,

:

00:51:47,917 --> 00:51:52,537

and we see all of that play out in this

scene, it's just like, very, very messy,

:

00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:57,907

and messy scenes are difficult to actually

get right, but this is one where they

:

00:51:57,907 --> 00:52:02,667

get it right, and it says a lot about

the characters, and moves the plot along.

:

00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:03,763

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:52:04,073 --> 00:52:06,713

I, I love this scene even

though I hated this scene.

:

00:52:06,723 --> 00:52:10,363

Like, inside, I'm just dying

because this is the worst family

:

00:52:10,363 --> 00:52:11,603

dinner you've ever been to.

:

00:52:11,943 --> 00:52:15,683

You know, it's, I'm putting myself in

Lee's position even though I'm not close

:

00:52:15,683 --> 00:52:19,963

to Lee's age anymore, but, you know,

you've got mom, and you've got dad, and

:

00:52:19,963 --> 00:52:26,856

you've got your Poor, like, just kind

of a mess uncle and his crazy ass wife.

:

00:52:27,166 --> 00:52:32,836

Like, all at the dinner table, and you're

just trying to have a meal, and it's

:

00:52:33,016 --> 00:52:35,906

just the one awkward thing after another.

:

00:52:35,916 --> 00:52:38,726

Like, it is almost

sitcom y, like we've said

:

00:52:38,931 --> 00:52:39,281

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:39,871 --> 00:52:44,691

The suspicion laid on, and the way

everything's handled here, the suspicion

:

00:52:44,691 --> 00:52:47,771

is so thick that if it were frosting,

you would have forgotten the cake.

:

00:52:48,711 --> 00:52:49,191

Speaking

:

00:52:49,191 --> 00:52:52,591

of cake, Ellen does get a

handful on her way out the door.

:

00:52:53,648 --> 00:52:59,855

Ryan: way out the She took her shoe

And put her foot right up there.

:

00:53:00,535 --> 00:53:04,465

And one of the trivia facts that I, I

just cannot stop thinking about is his

:

00:53:04,465 --> 00:53:08,835

reaction to that is genuine because he

did not know she was going to do that.

:

00:53:09,325 --> 00:53:10,575

That actress did that.

:

00:53:11,775 --> 00:53:14,825

Edward James almost is like,

hey, hey, come here, come here.

:

00:53:15,295 --> 00:53:16,205

Do this to him.

:

00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:17,310

Let's see what happens.

:

00:53:18,325 --> 00:53:21,955

so his reaction of shock is

genuine on that actor's part.

:

00:53:22,937 --> 00:53:25,495

go back to that scene, you can tell.

:

00:53:25,525 --> 00:53:29,665

He's not prepared for

that and I, I, I hate Lee.

:

00:53:29,675 --> 00:53:32,105

Like, he's a character I do not

like because I think he's such

:

00:53:32,105 --> 00:53:35,275

a fucking square, but this is a

scene where I'm like, I love Lee

:

00:53:35,275 --> 00:53:37,115

because now he's a fucking oval.

:

00:53:38,012 --> 00:53:39,852

Xhafer: The best line in this scene.

:

00:53:40,822 --> 00:53:44,762

After everyone leaves, and Rosalind's

all like, You think she's a Cylon?

:

00:53:44,762 --> 00:53:47,662

And Leigh goes, If she's not,

we're in for a lot of trouble.

:

00:53:48,721 --> 00:53:52,094

Laura: Yeah, this is one person

that like, no matter what

:

00:53:52,094 --> 00:53:53,904

they are, they are a problem.

:

00:53:54,323 --> 00:53:55,893

Xhafer: If they're a

Cylon, we can just space

:

00:53:55,893 --> 00:53:56,163

her.

:

00:53:56,303 --> 00:53:57,403

Like, it's easy.

:

00:53:57,923 --> 00:54:01,353

If she's not a Cylon, this

is a long term problem now.

:

00:54:02,095 --> 00:54:17,121

Ryan: If she's not a Cylon,

this is a long term problem now.

:

00:54:17,445 --> 00:54:17,805

Laura: Nope.

:

00:54:18,515 --> 00:54:18,705

Mm

:

00:54:19,354 --> 00:54:22,464

Xhafer: Back on Caprica, Hilo

is hitting his limits, but

:

00:54:22,464 --> 00:54:24,154

Sharon can just keep going.

:

00:54:25,354 --> 00:54:28,974

She checks the streets, it's

still a swarm of robots, and Hilo

:

00:54:28,974 --> 00:54:31,114

is all, How aren't you tired?

:

00:54:31,114 --> 00:54:32,854

It's, it's like you're not human.

:

00:54:32,864 --> 00:54:35,344

You have, you have the

endurance of a machine.

:

00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:36,984

You're like the Energizer bunny.

:

00:54:37,244 --> 00:54:40,124

Anyway, I see nothing

wrong with this situation.

:

00:54:40,262 --> 00:54:47,499

Ryan: with this let's go.

:

00:54:47,929 --> 00:54:52,089

Slowing of the pace after quite

a raucous scene of debauchery.

:

00:54:52,099 --> 00:54:53,669

Thank God we cut to this.

:

00:54:53,937 --> 00:54:58,257

Laura: Well, I mean, it's

furthered my theory that the

:

00:54:58,257 --> 00:54:59,877

Battlebots can't look down.

:

00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:00,777

Like.

:

00:55:01,277 --> 00:55:05,475

she peeks up out of that manhole and it's

just swarming, but none, nobody clocks it.

:

00:55:05,565 --> 00:55:10,235

There's no like motion sensor

that goes off and detects this.

:

00:55:10,235 --> 00:55:14,035

So yeah, I think that's

going to be a going concern.

:

00:55:15,245 --> 00:55:20,825

Xhafer: Baltar runs into tie as Ellen

is drunkenly defaming the commander.

:

00:55:21,375 --> 00:55:22,095

This is fun.

:

00:55:22,305 --> 00:55:25,835

Uh, 6PT is all like, This one's bad news.

:

00:55:25,835 --> 00:55:27,575

heh heh heh heh.

:

00:55:27,956 --> 00:55:28,636

Laura: Uh Huh.

:

00:55:28,796 --> 00:55:30,156

Is, is it a Cylon?

:

00:55:30,186 --> 00:55:31,126

Is it not a Cylon?

:

00:55:31,446 --> 00:55:31,766

I don't know.

:

00:55:31,771 --> 00:55:31,973

Ryan: asylum?

:

00:55:31,973 --> 00:55:35,793

Yeah, she says it in a very sinister way.

:

00:55:35,813 --> 00:55:42,943

Like, 6PT isn't Being comedic in this

episode that much like she's the butt

:

00:55:42,943 --> 00:55:46,123

of a joke or two, but she's like,

yeah I don't know about this one.

:

00:55:46,123 --> 00:55:48,473

And it's like, oh, but it would

be too good to be true, huh?

:

00:55:48,483 --> 00:55:49,083

No, it won't.

:

00:55:49,923 --> 00:55:55,158

And it's just but this seems great because

the writers said What happens if we

:

00:55:55,158 --> 00:56:00,458

had the two perverts of the show have a

conversation with Baltar and now Ellen?

:

00:56:00,818 --> 00:56:01,598

And let's

:

00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:02,136

Laura: Uh huh.

:

00:56:02,398 --> 00:56:05,438

Ryan: hold each other's hand and

let's see how Sol would react to that.

:

00:56:05,918 --> 00:56:09,308

Oooh, like they're off

the leash in this episode.

:

00:56:11,568 --> 00:56:14,698

Xhafer: Ellen tries to drive

a wedge between Sol and Bill.

:

00:56:15,068 --> 00:56:16,688

After Baltar gets paged.

:

00:56:17,298 --> 00:56:24,221

And it ends with a emotional explosion

next to the bomb in Baltar's first

:

00:56:24,221 --> 00:56:26,971

Baltar says he had to restart the tests.

:

00:56:27,231 --> 00:56:28,611

Rosalind owns that.

:

00:56:28,861 --> 00:56:30,621

Admits her concerns about Adama.

:

00:56:31,401 --> 00:56:35,301

Adama says that he was trying

to keep Saul in the dark about

:

00:56:35,351 --> 00:56:37,141

Ellen since she's a fucking mess.

:

00:56:37,331 --> 00:56:40,351

And as he says that,

the two of them walk in.

:

00:56:40,958 --> 00:56:41,138

Laura: Uh,

:

00:56:41,918 --> 00:56:44,088

Xhafer: And just Gets crazy from here.

:

00:56:44,088 --> 00:56:45,358

Everyone's yelling at everyone.

:

00:56:46,548 --> 00:56:51,608

Laura: Ty is so like righteously

indignant about how dare you say

:

00:56:51,608 --> 00:56:57,738

my wife's a mess and it's like

look man, look guy, look, look.

:

00:56:58,271 --> 00:56:58,448

Xhafer: I

:

00:56:58,712 --> 00:57:01,270

Ryan: my favorite part of there's

so many great parts of this.

:

00:57:01,270 --> 00:57:04,510

My favorite part is when Boltart

tries to diffuse it by being like,

:

00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:06,410

Now everyone, we've got to calm down.

:

00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:08,580

There is a bomb in this room, by the way.

:

00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,070

Like, there is a nuclear device here.

:

00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,090

If we if there's there's chemicals.

:

00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:13,140

Anything could go wrong.

:

00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:18,855

I just I just love Mild mannered British

person trying to keep calm and carry on

:

00:57:18,855 --> 00:57:21,145

in a room full of hot headed Americans.

:

00:57:22,795 --> 00:57:23,975

And Canadians, of course.

:

00:57:23,975 --> 00:57:25,335

Let's, let's respect the Canadians.

:

00:57:25,855 --> 00:57:29,285

Um, I just love that for,

for him and, oh, this scene.

:

00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:34,250

It is a sitcom, like the classic like,

you know, I was interested in her, then

:

00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:38,390

the door opens, you were interested

in my wife, you pig, I respected you

:

00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:39,870

until this moment, how could this be?

:

00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,050

See, he wanted me, I told

you that Bill wanted me.

:

00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:46,778

This is

:

00:57:47,678 --> 00:57:51,375

Xhafer: As this is all going

down, it almost hits an end as

:

00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:55,010

Uh, Adama and Rosalyn kind of

realize they're on the same page,

:

00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:56,540

even though they've been at odds.

:

00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,990

But before anything can happen with

it, all the military leadership is

:

00:57:59,990 --> 00:58:04,740

called to CIC, because the Raider plot

has finally decided to move forward.

:

00:58:05,331 --> 00:58:07,881

Uh, We find out it was

fine the whole time.

:

00:58:08,571 --> 00:58:13,311

It starts to make a suicide run,

but a moment before, Saul had

:

00:58:13,311 --> 00:58:15,261

launched the alert fighters early.

:

00:58:15,326 --> 00:58:17,181

Yeah,

:

00:58:17,539 --> 00:58:18,119

Laura: Yeah,

:

00:58:18,379 --> 00:58:19,249

Weird timing.

:

00:58:20,263 --> 00:58:21,803

Xhafer: it's all very quick.

:

00:58:21,813 --> 00:58:24,333

Saul's just all like, launch the

alert fighters in the background,

:

00:58:24,343 --> 00:58:25,763

but it does save the day.

:

00:58:26,275 --> 00:58:28,345

and Adam is just like, who made that call?

:

00:58:28,615 --> 00:58:30,375

And Lee goes, It was Saul.

:

00:58:30,405 --> 00:58:31,605

You know, the XL ordered it.

:

00:58:31,615 --> 00:58:34,137

We did it, yep.

:

00:58:35,382 --> 00:58:41,337

So, we get a little bit here

about, from Adama and Ty, just

:

00:58:41,337 --> 00:58:43,537

like, Hey, you can do your job.

:

00:58:43,577 --> 00:58:44,927

You are good at your job.

:

00:58:45,537 --> 00:58:49,147

Even though you're drunk right

now, you did the right thing.

:

00:58:49,667 --> 00:58:52,267

But focus on doing the

right thing, please.

:

00:58:55,422 --> 00:58:57,492

Laura: That's not gonna

come up later, I bet.

:

00:58:58,316 --> 00:58:58,676

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:58:59,434 --> 00:59:00,494

Ryan: It's a nice scene.

:

00:59:00,934 --> 00:59:07,374

Because their friendship goes, you know,

like, you know, their friendship is solid.

:

00:59:07,424 --> 00:59:12,184

Your wife's back, yeah, I kept her from

you for a little bit because I don't

:

00:59:12,184 --> 00:59:15,594

trust her, not only because I think

she could have been asylum, but because

:

00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:17,504

she makes you a bit worse person.

:

00:59:17,574 --> 00:59:21,104

Like, that's the, like, that's a

hard thing to say, but they're able

:

00:59:21,104 --> 00:59:25,654

to have that conversation, and, you

know, even spin it around from instead

:

00:59:25,654 --> 00:59:28,574

of like, you know, I'm allowed to

celebrate, it's like, yeah, you are.

:

00:59:29,209 --> 00:59:31,549

Because you did a good job now,

but like, that's the thing.

:

00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:32,959

I need you steady.

:

00:59:32,959 --> 00:59:37,049

I need you to make these hunches and do

this stuff because that's the guy you are.

:

00:59:37,049 --> 00:59:39,549

You are the guy that

can pull shit together.

:

00:59:39,549 --> 00:59:42,179

I just don't like it when

you spin out and fall apart.

:

00:59:42,518 --> 00:59:42,936

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:59:43,372 --> 00:59:46,032

Laura: And that's the last

thing anybody needs right now.

:

00:59:47,306 --> 00:59:49,366

Xhafer: We cut over to

Caprica Yellow real quick.

:

00:59:49,751 --> 00:59:53,771

And, Six and Doral, they

just love love, guys.

:

00:59:54,285 --> 00:59:55,305

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:59:55,475 --> 00:59:59,165

They like to talk about it and think

about it, but they don't understand it.

:

01:00:00,275 --> 01:00:02,075

Six wants to understand it, I think.

:

01:00:02,075 --> 01:00:03,015

I don't think Doral

:

01:00:03,035 --> 01:00:04,085

gets it at all.

:

01:00:04,604 --> 01:00:05,282

Ryan: at all.

:

01:00:05,946 --> 01:00:06,926

I love Doral.

:

01:00:07,076 --> 01:00:08,646

He's one of my favorites.

:

01:00:08,656 --> 01:00:12,966

He's just, I just like that he looks

like a mild mannered accountant.

:

01:00:13,254 --> 01:00:13,624

Laura: Mm hmm.

:

01:00:14,011 --> 01:00:17,791

Ryan: And he talks like one in all

of his scenes, and I love that.

:

01:00:17,861 --> 01:00:22,651

He's one of my favorites in the show

just because he's just so dweeby.

:

01:00:23,381 --> 01:00:27,201

But I must admit, this scene,

I don't know what it is.

:

01:00:27,201 --> 01:00:30,821

Battlestar has a type of dialogue,

especially with Cylons, where I

:

01:00:30,821 --> 01:00:32,961

go, I know they're saying stuff.

:

01:00:33,291 --> 01:00:35,821

It's very poetic, and

oh, aren't we so clever.

:

01:00:36,171 --> 01:00:39,471

But it just goes in one ear, out the

other, like this whole entire scene,

:

01:00:39,471 --> 01:00:43,151

they're just blabbing on and on and on

and I just go, I don't care, I don't

:

01:00:43,151 --> 01:00:47,131

know, I mean, I know what they're saying,

I just don't really care that much.

:

01:00:47,354 --> 01:00:51,524

Laura: I kind of felt that way with

Leoben last episode, if you've watched it,

:

01:00:51,591 --> 01:00:52,341

Ryan: Oh god.

:

01:00:53,331 --> 01:00:53,721

Yeah.

:

01:00:54,271 --> 01:00:58,064

Xhafer: So, uh, after this, we get the

last scene of the episode, which is

:

01:00:58,094 --> 01:01:04,714

Ellen's test results, which are green,

but SixPT reveals that the test has been

:

01:01:04,714 --> 01:01:06,944

altered, everyone passes regardless.

:

01:01:07,454 --> 01:01:10,594

Baltar knows the truth,

and he is withholding.

:

01:01:11,302 --> 01:01:17,922

Laura: The look on James Callis face as

we, like, pull out and end this episode.

:

01:01:18,182 --> 01:01:20,611

And he's just, like, in his spinny chair.

:

01:01:21,512 --> 01:01:24,072

We know that in his mind,

like, six is in his lap.

:

01:01:24,132 --> 01:01:29,982

But he's just, like, bug eyes up at the

ceiling, spinning around in his chair.

:

01:01:30,822 --> 01:01:32,162

That was really good.

:

01:01:32,452 --> 01:01:35,232

I did love that, like, pull out of the

:

01:01:35,232 --> 01:01:35,702

scene.

:

01:01:37,755 --> 01:01:57,702

Ryan: I did that, like,

pull out of the scene.

:

01:01:57,932 --> 01:02:00,432

He's got a screw loose, he's

clearly got something going on,

:

01:02:00,472 --> 01:02:04,262

he's smiling and sitting there,

twizzling, like twirling in his chair.

:

01:02:05,062 --> 01:02:09,182

He's hiding stuff, but it's not

subtle, like he's not a subtle

:

01:02:09,222 --> 01:02:13,792

person, but they just keep not really

engaging with him the way they need to

:

01:02:13,792 --> 01:02:16,592

because they need him to do the job.

:

01:02:17,132 --> 01:02:20,682

And I just love that final shot, it's

just, he's almost like angelically

:

01:02:20,682 --> 01:02:28,935

lit, it's just, it's just this great

Yeah, what a fucking loser he is.

:

01:02:28,935 --> 01:02:35,796

I feel like two of the main characters,

:

01:02:36,138 --> 01:02:38,758

Laura: Yeah, what a fucking loser he is.

:

01:02:38,788 --> 01:02:39,198

Yeah.

:

01:02:39,618 --> 01:02:43,348

I feel like, too, the main

characters, well, the like

:

01:02:43,348 --> 01:02:44,768

characters in charge, right?

:

01:02:44,948 --> 01:02:46,858

You're Adama, you're Rosalyn, you're Ty.

:

01:02:48,008 --> 01:02:51,418

totally oblivious to some of this stuff.

:

01:02:52,218 --> 01:02:55,468

I feel like the lower ranking

characters that we've seen encounter

:

01:02:55,468 --> 01:03:01,808

him, like, Starbuck, watching him

masturbate in the lab, and his encounter

:

01:03:01,808 --> 01:03:03,488

with Boomer in another episode.

:

01:03:03,518 --> 01:03:06,318

They're like, they've clocked,

like, something ain't right with

:

01:03:06,318 --> 01:03:06,908

this guy.

:

01:03:07,338 --> 01:03:07,908

But they don't

:

01:03:07,918 --> 01:03:13,488

have, like, they can't, like, it,

it, it, and, what's the word I need?

:

01:03:13,708 --> 01:03:15,628

They can't, like, escalate that anywhere.

:

01:03:15,947 --> 01:03:16,257

Xhafer: Mm

:

01:03:16,786 --> 01:03:18,686

Laura: Oh, man, I just wish they could.

:

01:03:20,116 --> 01:03:21,306

HR

:

01:03:21,306 --> 01:03:23,096

lady, barricaded in her office.

:

01:03:23,498 --> 01:03:26,758

Ryan: Thank god we got the most

untrustworthy person to be in charge

:

01:03:26,768 --> 01:03:31,758

of the tests Who tells us who should

be trustworthy or not Thank gods

:

01:03:31,768 --> 01:03:35,748

for that And he's just sitting

there smiling, I'll never tell

:

01:03:36,925 --> 01:03:40,535

Laura: So I think the conclusion the

episode wants me to have at this point

:

01:03:41,475 --> 01:03:43,354

is, yeah, she's just a messy bitch.

:

01:03:44,405 --> 01:03:45,915

She's a human,

:

01:03:46,225 --> 01:03:46,445

but

:

01:03:46,445 --> 01:03:46,884

she's

:

01:03:47,006 --> 01:03:47,636

Ryan: girlboss?

:

01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,250

Laura: She's uh, she's Girlbossin the

Real Housewives of Battlestar Galactica,

:

01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:56,930

like she's gonna start that up.

:

01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,330

But she's human.

:

01:03:58,340 --> 01:03:59,760

That's what they want me to think.

:

01:04:00,542 --> 01:04:06,782

I don't know what I think, but I do

have a headcanon for if she is a human

:

01:04:06,942 --> 01:04:08,622

and why she has all this missing time.

:

01:04:08,936 --> 01:04:09,286

Xhafer: Okay.

:

01:04:10,322 --> 01:04:15,450

Laura: And I think that that

would be She got off of PyCon

:

01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,900

by, like, seducing a random dude

:

01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:22,240

and thought, Okay, this

is my new thing now.

:

01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,950

And she gloms onto this

guy for several weeks.

:

01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,279

And then he turns out, like,

not to be interesting anymore.

:

01:04:30,279 --> 01:04:32,040

And she's like, Well, you know what?

:

01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,140

Galactic is probably the safest place.

:

01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:36,340

Ty is on that ship.

:

01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:38,930

I guess I better go back.

:

01:04:40,005 --> 01:04:44,175

And comes up with her little coma

story and all of this stuff and gets

:

01:04:44,175 --> 01:04:48,065

herself back into the thing that

she knows that she can manipulate.

:

01:04:48,561 --> 01:04:53,341

So that's my, my headcanon for if she

is a human, how she managed to get here.

:

01:04:53,864 --> 01:04:54,413

Xhafer: Alright.

:

01:04:54,804 --> 01:04:57,797

Well, neither confirming nor denying.

:

01:04:59,977 --> 01:05:03,007

Ryan: that's just, that's Gaia, you

just use the Gaia's line from now on.

:

01:05:03,257 --> 01:05:04,017

I'll never tell.

:

01:05:04,429 --> 01:05:04,819

Xhafer: Uh,

:

01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:05,879

That's the episode.

:

01:05:05,879 --> 01:05:11,179

So, we rank things on a

scale of 1 to 12 colonies.

:

01:05:11,179 --> 01:05:13,279

Ryan as our guest, you get first dibs.

:

01:05:13,669 --> 01:05:16,269

Feel free to give it a

yum or a yum yum as well.

:

01:05:16,877 --> 01:05:18,177

you know, whatever you're feeling.

:

01:05:18,299 --> 01:05:19,424

Ryan: 12's the highest.

:

01:05:19,447 --> 01:05:21,187

Xhafer: well, 13's the highest, but yeah,

:

01:05:22,104 --> 01:05:22,529

Ryan: highest.

:

01:05:22,529 --> 01:05:28,239

13, Well, in an ideal

world, this would be a 13.

:

01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:30,209

But we do cut to Caprica.

:

01:05:30,814 --> 01:05:33,804

So that does, that does, that

does take it down a notch.

:

01:05:33,894 --> 01:05:36,163

So let's go with a, let's

go with a sturdy 12.

:

01:05:36,204 --> 01:05:37,594

I really like this episode.

:

01:05:37,594 --> 01:05:38,844

I'm a big fan of it.

:

01:05:39,374 --> 01:05:42,214

I chose it for the numerous

reasons I said throughout.

:

01:05:42,224 --> 01:05:46,304

But it just, I don't know, it

just snaps into place for me.

:

01:05:46,324 --> 01:05:52,334

And also, I just like being drawn

to, like, these anarchic characters.

:

01:05:52,334 --> 01:05:53,413

Like, I like Ellen.

:

01:05:53,554 --> 01:05:56,714

BSG fans, not fans of her.

:

01:05:57,424 --> 01:06:00,994

You know, people get threatened

by sexy older ladies.

:

01:06:01,014 --> 01:06:03,534

You know, I'm a Lwxana Troi fan as well.

:

01:06:04,354 --> 01:06:07,804

People do not like Ellen and people

point to this episode as like the low

:

01:06:07,804 --> 01:06:09,324

point of the first season and like

:

01:06:09,632 --> 01:06:09,857

Laura: What?

:

01:06:10,274 --> 01:06:11,094

Ryan: I love this.

:

01:06:11,094 --> 01:06:14,034

Give me this.

:

01:06:14,307 --> 01:06:15,867

Xhafer: I, do think

this is a great episode.

:

01:06:15,867 --> 01:06:17,887

I really enjoyed this episode all around.

:

01:06:18,187 --> 01:06:20,777

Even the Caprica stuff for me.

:

01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:28,127

is important because it's seeding,

like obviously it's, I don't think it's

:

01:06:28,137 --> 01:06:31,987

spoilers to talk about where they're

saying this is going right now, which

:

01:06:31,987 --> 01:06:36,807

is they're trying to get off world,

which means hypothetically they'll

:

01:06:36,807 --> 01:06:40,527

work their way back to Galactica

and when that happens, it's going

:

01:06:40,527 --> 01:06:42,887

to be very obvious who's a Cylon.

:

01:06:43,462 --> 01:06:46,552

You know, both for, for

both Sharon and Boomer.

:

01:06:47,122 --> 01:06:52,892

And so, for them to plant the

seed of doubt in Hilo right now

:

01:06:53,942 --> 01:06:56,732

is important for that payoff later.

:

01:06:56,732 --> 01:06:58,272

That, how are you still doing this?

:

01:06:58,282 --> 01:07:03,232

How are you still and if only

for that scene on Caprica.

:

01:07:03,902 --> 01:07:07,362

Which I think is the only important

bit we get in that storyline for

:

01:07:07,362 --> 01:07:13,698

probably the last two episodes, to so

Knowing that, I'm also gonna go ahead

:

01:07:13,698 --> 01:07:15,363

and give this a 12 out of 12 colonies.

:

01:07:16,144 --> 01:07:16,404

Laura: Part

:

01:07:16,404 --> 01:07:18,654

of me wanted to give

it a fuck this episode,

:

01:07:18,663 --> 01:07:25,534

just because of the constant, constant

stream of just awkwardness, that we know

:

01:07:25,534 --> 01:07:30,324

I have like that secondhand embarrassment

problem where I just can't handle it.

:

01:07:30,704 --> 01:07:33,413

But I have to admit that

it is a work of art.

:

01:07:33,464 --> 01:07:38,904

Like I think this episode is Just, it's

really funny for such a grimdark show

:

01:07:39,541 --> 01:07:43,211

as much as I hate Ellen, just

from the like, I can see that

:

01:07:43,211 --> 01:07:44,841

she's gonna destroy Saul's life,

:

01:07:45,297 --> 01:07:47,402

it was really well done.

:

01:07:49,327 --> 01:07:52,797

So can I give it like a fuck

this episode slash twelve?

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Like it was

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Xhafer: whatever you fuckin want.

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The scale is meaningless.

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Laura: I mean, I try not to give more

than one fuck this episode in a season,

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and we are, like, a little over midway,

so it seems like, eh, maybe, you know,

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Xhafer: It's safe.

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Laura: it.

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Xhafer: You probably

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Ryan: Safe, Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Probably another

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01:08:09,904 --> 01:08:13,254

I'm glad you're so high on

an episode where Boltar took

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01:08:13,254 --> 01:08:15,054

his pants off And fucked the

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air.

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Laura: Ugh.

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Yeah,

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01:08:19,764 --> 01:08:23,613

Ryan: If they didn't, again, this

actor, they have to ask him to pull

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01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:25,904

off so much stuff with this character.

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Think about it, like, at the start of the

show, he is like, Evil epitome, like he's

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:38,649

slimy, self interested, fucking capitalist

fuckboy, responsible for, in part, the

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01:08:38,649 --> 01:08:40,738

genocide of the, you know, species.

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01:08:41,309 --> 01:08:44,578

And then, what is this, nine episodes in?

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You're the, the, the silly little guy.

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01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:50,809

You're like the, you're the,

you're the funny guy of the show.

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You fuck, you fuck in the air and

everyone just goes, oh, that's Bolta.

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01:08:55,698 --> 01:08:57,429

a, what a wild character.

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01:08:57,459 --> 01:09:00,988

Like, he's such a wild character

and yet he pulls it off as an actor.

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Xhafer: I really fuckin wish our slimy

capitalist fuckboys who find themselves

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way too close to our government

could just turn into comedic relief.

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That's that's the dream,

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isn't it?

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Laura: Like, unironic comedic relief.

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01:09:14,187 --> 01:09:14,447

Yeah.

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01:09:14,856 --> 01:09:17,066

Xhafer: not not a threat,

yeah, hundred percent.

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Laura: Yeah, that would be super great.

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Xhafer: Alright, well thanks so much!

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Laura: that.

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Xhafer: Thanks so much for joining us,

Ryan really appreciate having you on.

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I, I think this conversation has

made me like this episode more.

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I don't think I would have given it

a 12 before we had this conversation.

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And a lot of that was your insights.

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So I really appreciate

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having you on tell the

people where they can find

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01:09:39,564 --> 01:09:44,264

Ryan: you can find my podcast

on all of the podcasting sites

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01:09:44,304 --> 01:09:47,634

under YumYumPod or YumYumPodcast.

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01:09:48,174 --> 01:09:51,964

We are on those social medias,

we're posting on there.

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01:09:51,984 --> 01:09:56,274

You can probably find us in the

Discord of this podcast as well.

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01:09:56,274 --> 01:10:00,404

We like to chat and drop

things from time to time.

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01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:04,644

We have our Patreon if you want to support

the podcast and get other content as well.

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01:10:04,943 --> 01:10:09,619

But yeah, if you're wanting a podcast

that talks about various sci fi shows.

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01:10:09,639 --> 01:10:10,459

Check us out.

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01:10:10,509 --> 01:10:15,579

We've done Babylon 5, we've done Star

Trek Discovery, Space Above and Beyond,

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01:10:15,859 --> 01:10:19,299

where we got some interviews with some

of the cast and crew of that show.

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01:10:19,329 --> 01:10:23,989

And if people love Battlestar Galactica,

you should check out some Space Above

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01:10:23,989 --> 01:10:28,455

and Beyond, because there's a lot of uh,

bleed over from that show to this show.

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01:10:28,994 --> 01:10:29,454

Xhafer: for sure.

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01:10:29,979 --> 01:10:30,679

All right.

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01:10:30,739 --> 01:10:35,959

Well, next week we got season

one, episode 10 hand of God.

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Vic from Dominion Media and Television and

Last Time On is going to be joining us.

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01:10:40,581 --> 01:10:41,376

Laura: Oh, hey, cool.

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01:10:41,621 --> 01:10:45,610

Xhafer: After months of fleeing

from the Cylon, Adama decides

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to take the fight to the enemy.

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01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:48,615

That's our episode description.

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Laura: Huh.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:10:50,932 --> 01:10:54,434

So, we'll uh, we'll get there

when we get there, next week, but

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01:10:54,465 --> 01:10:57,330

until then, we should probably

say a couple of thank yous.

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01:10:58,015 --> 01:10:59,485

Starting off with Jeremy Siegel.

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Hey, Jeremy.

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01:11:01,115 --> 01:11:01,580

How you doing?

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01:11:02,178 --> 01:11:02,428

going

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01:11:02,428 --> 01:11:02,678

well?

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01:11:02,688 --> 01:11:04,848

How's New Year, New

Year going well, I hope?

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01:11:05,437 --> 01:11:06,237

That's great to hear.

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01:11:07,017 --> 01:11:09,477

You can find more of Jeremy's

work at JeremySiegel42.

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bandcamp.

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01:11:10,237 --> 01:11:12,677

com or at streaming

services as NuclearJaguar.

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01:11:13,205 --> 01:11:14,175

Laura: And thank you to angry.

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01:11:14,175 --> 01:11:14,235

duck.

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01:11:14,445 --> 01:11:17,760

timemachine on Instagram

for our podcast artwork.

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01:11:17,804 --> 01:11:19,744

Xhafer: that a aforementioned Discord?

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01:11:19,854 --> 01:11:20,954

Go ahead and jump in there.

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01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:23,164

You can hang out with us,

hang out with YumYum, and hang

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01:11:23,164 --> 01:11:24,554

out with Aaron, our editor.

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01:11:24,844 --> 01:11:27,374

Thanks so much for putting this episode

together, we really appreciate all

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01:11:27,374 --> 01:11:32,094

the time you spend making sure that we

sound coherent and putting in drops that

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01:11:32,094 --> 01:11:33,693

make us funnier than we actually are.

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01:11:33,734 --> 01:11:34,584

Thank you so much.

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01:11:34,818 --> 01:11:35,049

Laura: Yeah.

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01:11:35,049 --> 01:11:37,959

There's a lot of sneezes from me

that are coming out of this one.

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01:11:37,959 --> 01:11:40,749

I think that I might be

catching our daughter's cold,

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01:11:41,639 --> 01:11:42,409

Not cold.

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01:11:42,519 --> 01:11:44,449

She has the flu A, excuse me.

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01:11:44,629 --> 01:11:45,009

So,

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01:11:45,762 --> 01:11:46,582

yay!

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01:11:49,682 --> 01:11:53,542

Well, hop on over to the discord if you

want to talk about Battlestar Galactica

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01:11:53,572 --> 01:11:57,872

But if you're gonna be talking spoilies,

you got to get in the spoiler only zone,

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01:11:57,882 --> 01:12:02,492

please I would like to stay pure as

long as I can through this process.

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01:12:03,302 --> 01:12:04,032

Best of luck

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01:12:04,066 --> 01:12:04,456

Xhafer: Yeah.

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01:12:05,056 --> 01:12:09,036

I have not managed to ruin

anything significant yet.

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01:12:09,786 --> 01:12:11,806

But, whew, we've come close.

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01:12:15,666 --> 01:12:16,026

Alright.

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01:12:16,072 --> 01:12:18,042

Laura: All right, everybody bye

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Xhafer: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.