Episode 164

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Published on:

12th Mar 2025

BSG S1E11 - Idiots of Caprica

Season 1 of BSG has already dealt with heavy topics like genocide and nuclear war, but today's episode explores the most frightening topic of all: presidential elections. Laura hates political podcasts in every universe. Xhafer proposes a new podcast for polyamorous specters. It's Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 11: Colonial Day.

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Transcript
Laura:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci fi

watchcast by a couple of friends who are

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going through 2004 Battlestar Galactica.

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My name is Laura,

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and we are on Season 1, Episode 11.

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Colonial day.

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Xhafer: Colonial day.

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Laura: I have a really

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big trigger warning for this one, guys.

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Trigger warning?

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Politics.

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Xhafer: Yeah, right.

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Yikes.

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Laura: Yikes.

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Don't like.

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Xhafer: I uh, I am gonna make

some jokes that might make

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you uncomfortable, listener.

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And, I'm, I'm sorry if you

feel that way but I also have

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no self control nor responsibility.

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So,

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fuck it.

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Laura: Yeah, I

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You are kind of responsible.

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Xhafer: well, I mean,

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I'm, I'm responsible as a person.

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I'm not

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responsible for the

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current situation of politics.

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Laura: No, no,

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no, no.

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That's true.

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I get what you're saying now.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: I, try to be responsible.

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Laura: yeah, no, I mean, this show I never

expected to be fully, like, escapism but

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still, I was like, very uncomfortable

this whole episode, like, oh, I don't

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want to think about any of this.

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Xhafer: This will be uncomfortable.

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Um, It will get worse

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Laura: I can tell, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: true, generally speaking.

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Laura: But okay, if we

want to just dive right in.

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We don't really have cold

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open stuff planned, right?

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So,

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Xhafer: no,

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we need to really sit down

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and see what we could possibly fucking do.

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Listeners,

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if you have ideas for

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some cold opens that don't involve things

like character arcs that haven't happened,

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let or you know, decks of cards that

might reveal who a Cylon is on accident.

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Um, you know, anything that we could do

that would keep the spoiler free nature.

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I would love to get some

of that stuff going.

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So if you got any ideas,

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let us know.

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And uh, we'll, we'll bring

it up in the Discord.

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Hey, the Discord.

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We're plugging the

Discord early this time.

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Get in the Discord.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Go ahead and throw some

ideas for cold opens because

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we were talking about it

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earlier in the discord today

And I'm just all like look guys.

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I got nothing.

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That's true.

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So if you got

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something, let's hear it.

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I want to.

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know

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Laura: happy to.

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If you're afraid that it might need

any level of secrecy, run it by

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Ja'far

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first.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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you can throw it in spoiler town

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Laura: Yeah, I'm not there.

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Xhafer: yeah, I can be

all like ooh, but what

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about this?

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so Anyways, open on a

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Laura: Oh, no, no, no.

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I don't want to start on

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the recording

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just yet.

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So we open with our usual, like,

kind of last time on stuff, right?

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And in there is that clip of Six, and

Hilo, when he meets her at the very

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beginning of his stay on Caprica.

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And I'm reminded, why did

Six kiss him in the first

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place?

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Xhafer: cause she's fucking weird.

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Laura: Yeah.

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that's not a thing that gets resolved.

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Xhafer: I don't, I don't think it comes up

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ever.

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I'm it might get, there might be an

allusion to it later that I'm not

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recalling.

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But like, I definitely

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don't remember it ever being a thing.

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Laura: Okay.

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They just brought it back up, because

it's a provocative scene here in the last

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time ons, but I was like, what the fuck?

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Yeah, why did that happen?

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Such a weirdo.

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Yes.

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Xhafer: it is, yeah, it's, those clips,

it's all just about getting you engaged,

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much more so than anything else.

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Like sometimes, like, I think, was it

last episode, there was like this really

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dramatic one of like, someone like, moving

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their hand around a board or

something, that looked like something

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was happening, but it ended up

just being like, the first scene of

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the episode, and it

was not a thing at all.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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It's, you know, anytime our hyper

sexualized Cylon comes on, that's to

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get the audience's attention, right?

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So, let's just start this

off with reminding everybody

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about Hila's whole thing.

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And, and, you know, there's a

little bit of the like Six and

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Hilo confusion in this episode.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I think

you need to show Hilo

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encountering a Six, and

if you need to show Hilo

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encountering a Six,

that's the scene you use.

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Laura: the encounter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So,

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that was, that caught me even

before we got into the episode.

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Xhafer: okay, well, when we get into this

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episode, we open on a recording

of Pod Save the Colonies.

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And, And

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they just aren't having it with unelected

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Rosalind's dictatorship, Only putting

deep state cronies and sycophants

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in the Quorum of Twelve.

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You know?

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They're really sick of it.

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These

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unelected bureaucrats.

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Laura: I uh, I called these

guys the McLaughlin Group after

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a beloved bit on a different

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podcast, but I do like

Pod Save the Colonies.

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It, you know, I mean,

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I guess McLaughlin Group

is kind of like the origin

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of this sort of thing, but we have just,

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like,

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taken it to a whole new extreme in this

current world we live in, and I hate it.

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I hate them all, even these guys.

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Xhafer: We hear that Zarek is

gonna represent Sagittaron.

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And Adama immediately calls to be all

like, You want me to put him on the no fly

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list?

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Heh heh

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heh heh

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, He's got timing, Adama does,

like, you could tell all 45 ish thousand

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of us are listening to the same broadcast

at the same time, like, we are on

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Xhafer: there's only

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one broadcast, I'm sure.

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Laura: Yeah, like, how many people

are actually, like, broadcasting

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professionals in the fleet?

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Like, this is a time before

YouTube and social media, so.

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Xhafer: I mean, I don't know, I don't

feel like I have a good judge for how

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many people in the fleet have jobs

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that are, Like,

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required.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: You know, like, I'm

sure people are learning

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stuff uh,

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but if you were, like, you

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know,

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an anthropologist before and

now you're just stuck on a ship,

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you know, like, I mean,

you'll find stuff to do.

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There will be times

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when your expertise will be

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needed,

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but it's probably not an everyday gig.

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Laura: Yeah, it's probably more like

we need your physical labor of some

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kind, or, you know, if you have that

anthropology intellectual skill, like

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there's probably a bunch of children

running around that we need to have some

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sort of system to keep them learning.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: but your main

skill probably getting

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repurposed a little bit.

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Laura: Yeah, well, I really

appreciated the listener.

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I believe it might have been Dominion

Media Television that put up.

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A map or theoretical maps of the colonies

because I was picturing something

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much, much more diverse in scale.

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So

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like bringing them all into the same set

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of nearby stars made a lot more sense than

what I was picturing of these colonies.

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I mean, maybe what I pictured

makes more actual science sense.

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Uh, But story sense, this makes a lot more

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sense.

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Xhafer: I mean, uh, the double binary

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systems is a uh,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The

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Xhafer: I mean, the four body

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problem, right?

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Like, whole thing.

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Laura: the science is rough out there,

but I was picturing, you know, like,

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I don't know,

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Xhafer: It seems like some of these

planets are habited very close to the

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sun or very far from the sun as well.

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Not good times.

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Laura: maybe that would come up, right?

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Like, if you live on one of the colonies

that's closer to the sun and you have a

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hard time with, like, crops and stuff, and

you're jealous of the other colonies, or,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean,

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Leonis looked like a straight up mercury.

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Like,

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Laura: You could have some interesting

conflicts between colonies with that,

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Xhafer: so, uh, Rosalyn tells Adama that

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she doesn't want him to be

her personal goon squad.

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Zarek it's on the horn here

to let the oppressed know

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he's coming to drain the swamp

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All the while this opening

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sequence.

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We see somebody packing up

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some a gun

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Laura: Zarek is sounding

rather populist here.

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Xhafer: mm hmm

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Laura: Ugh.

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But one of Rosalind's, like, reasons for

we can't try to stand in front of him is,

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you know, he's not doing anything illegal.

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Even though he was a convicted

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felon on Sagittarion,

that is an actual thing.

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You can still run for politics

or for a political position

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after you've served your

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time.

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Xhafer: Yeah, they let felons vote.

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Or at least felons.

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Ex felons.

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Do you ever become an ex felon?

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I think felon just sticks

around as a title for forever.

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I don't know.

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Laura: Meh.

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Xhafer: Anyways,

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We Galactica where Starbuck is

filling Gaius in on his new career

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in politics.

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He's going to be, yes.

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Laura: Sorry.

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Gaius iS back on his testing bullshit

when Starbuck goes to see him.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: We

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know.

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That Gaius has changed the test so that

everybody passes, so he doesn't have

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to deal with anything uncomfortable,

because that would be the worst, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So why doesn't he also be like,

Oh, I just found an improvement, and the

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test goes faster, and they're all done!

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Xhafer: I'm I'm sure he's waiting

another couple of weeks for that.

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Like, oh I had a breakthrough,

I can do them in 15 minutes now.

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Oh, I had another breakthrough,

I can do two at a time now.

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And just like, continually work

his way down until everyone passes.

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Um, but also like,

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I would think Gaius

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wouldn't do that.

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I think he would rather toil

away and let everyone always pass

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because the more people

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That he tests that.

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don't

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end up being or the less

overall sample size he has

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right if he only ever

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completes 200 tests, right Or

whatever, you know, then he

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only has to worry about being

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wrong those 200

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times Because if he does

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end up being wrong and it matters,

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that's his

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ass,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think, I think the, the head

can, and I can get with this, is

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that he wants to know, he wants to

actually know, like the test is gonna

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show everybody passes, but he wants

to personally himself have an idea

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of who he needs to keep an eye on.

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Xhafer: Maybe

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: He may not want to know

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Laura: It, I mean,

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I don't know that I would at that point

if I, if I had like made that decision.

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If I was in Gaius Issues and I

had the thing and it worked and I

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had chosen to not deal with this,

I'm not sure I would want to know.

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Xhafer: Honestly, like, I woulda let

Sharon walk out of the room and then

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fuckin turned her over

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Laura: I mean, Yeah, I would have too.

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Xhafer: Yeah, like, oh she's

been out of here for 15 minutes?

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Ok, well let me go

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walk up to the bridge and make sure

I'm surrounded by security and make

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sure that she's nowhere around.

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Laura: Mm

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Xhafer: And be all like, piss, ps ps ps

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ps ps, Adam, I don't know why

Adam is a cat I figured it

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out.

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Laura: We've got 12 models of

Cylon and one model of Cat.

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Xhafer: Adama looks like the

type where if you were to set

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a mug on his big console in

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CIC that he would slowly

push it until it fell off.

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I would watch Edward James Olmos do

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that for hours.

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Laura: Yeah, me too.

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He's so engaging.

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Ooh, we should do a cold open

where we figure out who's a cat

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person and who's not on Galactica.

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Xhafer: Is it

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Cylon or is it Cat?

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Laura: I feel like Adama

secretly loves a cat.

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I feel like he pretends like the cat

is an inconvenience, and it is not

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his cat, but It's his cat.

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Xhafer: 100 percent so when Gaius

is getting informed that he's

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going to be representing Cabrica

in the Quorum of Twelve here,

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we get this shot of him, like,

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talking to 6PT, But, she's in the mirror.

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Love it!

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Love this shot!

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It's

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so good!

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: This is one of my

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favorite like, cinematography tricks

ever, is like, the conversation

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where one person's in focus.

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And the other person is

technically out of frame,

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but you see them in a reflection.

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this is a Hitch, this goes

back, I think, to Hitchcock.

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I, I don't, I'm, I'm sure some,

maybe someone did it before, but

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that's one of the examples that,

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pops up in my head.

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The thing that,

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like, it's like, ah, this is

such a stupid fanboy answer.

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But the thing, like,

whenever I think of this

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technique, the example of it that

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always pops into my

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mind as the most prevalent

is from Captain America, the

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Winter Soldier.

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And there is a scene where Steve

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Rogers and Black Widow are, I think,

are they looking over Bucky or someone?

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There's, like, someone in, like,

a surgery room and they're, like,

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standing at the window looking in.

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I forget who's in

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there.

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But she's, like,

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whenever she lies to him.

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It's, we see her as a

reflection, and whenever we,

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she tells the truth, we see her

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in focus, like, as a person,

like, the camera cuts.

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And it's so fucking good.

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It's

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such a good fucking scene, because

it tells you everything you need

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to know without saying it out

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loud.

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It's just so perfectly

visually communicated.

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Fucking A that that movie is

probably The best MCU movie IMO.

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At the very least, it's the most well

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made.

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Laura: yeah, I love stuff like that.

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I love when we do something with

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the visuals that means something else

than just A shot just a picture, you

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know, I can't believe the idiots of

Caprica have picked Gaius Baltar, but

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here we are and I love that he starts

out like hating this, you know, a lot of

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intellectuals would like, Oh no, I have

to go do things that aren't my research.

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Oh, and then 6PT starts

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pointing out the advantages,

namely the ladies,

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Xhafer: gonna be a rager!

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Laura: Yeah.

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So, suddenly he's like, huh,

maybe I can be in politics.

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Xhafer: Yeah, figure it.

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out.

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Over on uh, Cloud 9,

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we get the, it's now repaired after the

initial Cylon attacks damaged the biodome.

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Laura: Hmm,

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Xhafer: Kara and Lee talk the

plot while our gunman gets through

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security, and we finally see them, and

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it is not a known quality.

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like, they've been really

hiding this person's face,

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and my question

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to you was, were you expecting

this to be a like, Sharon

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or a Doral or something?

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Laura: No, I wasn't thinking that

this would be anybody that we knew.

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I was thinking, you know, that we're

kind of alluding to, like, the,

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the unrest is getting bigger, and

so we're introducing a new piece.

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Xhafer: Um, now, I mean,

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we, you've seen the episode we know

that the gunman here dies, right?

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Though, just skipping ahead.

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do you think, and we don't, it's

never really explained, right?

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It's kind of left open.

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Do you think it is more interesting

if they are a human or a Cylon?

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Laura: I think it's more

interesting if they're a human.

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because we're introducing that idea

that humans are not a unified of

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one mind on this whole deal, like,

yeah, maybe we're of one mind about

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like, got to keep running, but we're

not of one mind on how to do that,

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who should be in charge of that.

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What the best way to be running is

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: which I think is

exactly how humans would

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be.

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like we can't be unified for very

long on a thing, in my experience.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: So I think it's more

interesting if, if this is a

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human and we're seeing some of the

breakdown in the initial, Like,

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pulling ourselves together,

gonna put on a united front.

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And now all of that is starting

to fray as time wears on.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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it's been like six weeks and we're

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already never forgetting and forgetting

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Laura: I think if you just

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make it as this person was a Cylon, it's

more like oh, well, we're making them

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dangerous because they're still here and

they're around and I just don't find that

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as interesting as like the actual internal

workings of this society at this point.

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Xhafer: Zarek

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arrives and instantly gets someone on his

case, which gets someone on that person's

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case,

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which gets Lee on that

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person's case.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, we're just uh, ramping

up how controversial Zarek is, like, some

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of these other colonists

are not happy he's here.

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Lee has been plugged into the social

media the whole time, so he's he's

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on, like, high alert for everything.

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Starbuck is a bit more

cynical about all of this.

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Xhafer: real,

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um, Canadians and South Park

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energy.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: We get to the

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reception line, and

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Saul refuses to shake Xeric's

hand, but Ellen does, causing a

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small scene, as Saul isn't pleased

to be pictured with a terrorist.

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But Ellen's just all

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like, just trust me, we're going to be all

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over the papers, like, this

is good for your future.

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Laura: hmm, like,

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I do think that Ellen was right to

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shake his hand.

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She is doing it for all the

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wrong reasons.

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Roslyn clearly wants

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to, like, put on a good

faith show of dealing with

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And so, doing the handshake,

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being the upstanding colonel's

wife, is a good thing to do.

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But she is clearly not doing that.

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She's a little too kind, and I will

not be surprised if she is boning

442

:

Tom Zarek by the end of season two.

443

:

Or whatever.

444

:

She doesn't have much

time left in season one.

445

:

Xhafer: heh heh heh.

446

:

Fair

447

:

Laura: But boy, I do not like any of

448

:

this One little bit.

449

:

Xhafer: Yeah, Rosalyn's all like,

450

:

Waiting for Zarek to roll up.

451

:

He rolls up, And he's all

452

:

like, If I were to offer you

my hand, would you shake it?

453

:

And

454

:

she's all like, Only one

way to find out, bitch!

455

:

Laura: Yeah.

456

:

Xhafer: Like, you are I'm

going to make you offer.

457

:

And then she accepts, and

he's just all like, Ohp!

458

:

Outplayed again!

459

:

Laura: I, I think she's right to do it.

460

:

I think this is a good play, all of it.

461

:

I just don't like this man.

462

:

Ha ha

463

:

Xhafer: Like, obviously,

like, I can't pretend that my

464

:

opinion of Tom Zarek on

465

:

this watchthrough isn't

going to be colored by

466

:

current political events and

467

:

Laura: Some of this rhetoric

is a little too close to home.

468

:

Xhafer: For sure.

469

:

In fact, some of the rhetoric is

470

:

almost prophetic.

471

:

Once again, good job, I guess.

472

:

Laura: Right, right.

473

:

I, I'm sure Ronald D.

474

:

Moore and JMS are both

sitting there like, Well,

475

:

okay.

476

:

ha ha ha.

477

:

Xhafer: I'm sure, I'm sure Ron Moore

is like, well okay, I'm sure JMS is

478

:

like, I warned you motherfuckers!

479

:

Laura: true.

480

:

That's true.

481

:

ha.

482

:

ha

483

:

Xhafer: He should have listened to

484

:

me!

485

:

Um,

486

:

Laura: Not enough people

were watching Babylon

487

:

5, clearly.

488

:

Xhafer: If more people had

489

:

watched Babylon 5, maybe we

490

:

wouldn't be in this political

situation right now.

491

:

Laura: I mean, maybe, but

I've also seen people take the

492

:

wrong lessons from Babylon 5.

493

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

494

:

Laura: They're, they're off to

start a very long meeting and she

495

:

basically says this will be a very

long meeting and Gaius is already

496

:

Being rude and bored.

497

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

498

:

There's boring politics

499

:

as Gaius completely ignores them to.

500

:

deal with ethical non monogamy

with ghosts or hallucinations,

501

:

Laura: Yeah

502

:

Xhafer: I'm not gonna

Google search for it.

503

:

But I have to imagine that

there's already podcast better

504

:

equipped to handle this than us.

505

:

Uh, Maybe a Polyricians?

506

:

Hmm?

507

:

Laura: I get it

508

:

Xhafer: Specter Swingers?

509

:

Hmm?

510

:

Laura: Yeah.

511

:

Xhafer: Maybe some Fae

512

:

fucking?

513

:

I don't know.

514

:

Laura: Oh god, please.

515

:

No

516

:

Xhafer: get in the discord

with your best podcast

517

:

names so somebody else can run with

518

:

it.

519

:

Laura: Yeah, put that out into the

520

:

world make it

521

:

Xhafer: Right.

522

:

Yeah.

523

:

Will it into existence if

524

:

you want to, or make your own

525

:

fucking podcast.

526

:

I mean, it's worked out really well

527

:

for my

528

:

life, so

529

:

Laura: free idea for you.

530

:

Good luck.

531

:

Find your

532

:

people.

533

:

Uh, Yeah, no, she wants him to go

pester the hot lady reporter, I guess.

534

:

So 6BT's like, waking him up to be

like, remember that sex is a thing.

535

:

Xhafer: Zurich is like, we've

got this giant list of shit

536

:

to do, but fuck all that.

537

:

We need a vice president.

538

:

Laura: Uh

539

:

Huh.

540

:

Xhafer: And Baltar like,

wakes up to second as six.

541

:

PT yells at him to do so.

542

:

Laura: Yeah.

543

:

Weird.

544

:

Xhafer: the quorum agrees and they begin

nominating vice presidential candidates.

545

:

Virga nominate Zurich, and then

the session adjourns for 72 hours.

546

:

Laura: Yeah.

547

:

No, Virgon nominated Zarek,

and then Geminon seconded it.

548

:

And so that tells you like, oh, these

two colonies, hmm, they might also

549

:

be having issues like Sagittarion.

550

:

Oh, hmm.

551

:

All very Game of Thrones

y, like our alliances and,

552

:

Xhafer: he's very quick

to get nominated and then

553

:

all of the important shit that

they had to do now does not

554

:

matter because one of them

has to be vice president

555

:

Laura: yeah.

556

:

For the next 72 hours, we're just going

to put all that big, long list on hold.

557

:

Yeah.

558

:

Xhafer: yep.

559

:

God, so fucking dumb.

560

:

Laura: Ugh, so

561

:

Xhafer: you like adjourn

so that you can continue

562

:

the story, right?

563

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

564

:

Xhafer: But really what it should be

565

:

is it

566

:

should be Laura's like, okay.

567

:

Well, we're gonna set that aside

while we do other nominations and

568

:

everyone figures out their shit.

569

:

Why don't we talk about educating our

570

:

children

571

:

now?

572

:

One of the things that

everyone said was important

573

:

before we did this.

574

:

Laura: Right.

575

:

Xhafer: Before we made

it about fucking us.

576

:

politicians.

577

:

Laura: I hate this guy.

578

:

I'm not

579

:

into it.

580

:

And neither are they

into it on Colonial One.

581

:

They just go back to their ship and hate

on Zarek and look for another candidate.

582

:

And again, I don't think

we've seen Wally before.

583

:

But Rosalind presses him, this is the guy

584

:

now, widening

585

:

the circle.

586

:

Xhafer: He's been so

crucial that we haven't met

587

:

him.

588

:

Laura: Right, right.

589

:

Xhafer: He's kept the fleet running single

handedly, but also we never knew his

590

:

name or saw him, or heard anyone reference

591

:

Laura: He's a real, like, Mac and Bo.

592

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's like, I

have to, I don't remember what

593

:

it was like the first time I

594

:

watched this, but I have to

595

:

imagine it's all like, Oh, weird

that we haven't met this super

596

:

important guy, wonder if he's gonna

make it to Vice President, instead

597

:

of the character that

they've been building up to.

598

:

Laura: You know what?

599

:

I really want now that I said those words,

a Battlestar Galactica Mac and Bo episode,

600

:

and I don't know that I'm gonna get it.

601

:

But God, that would be so fun.

602

:

Xhafer: No spoilers.

603

:

Laura: two, like, two dudes who are in

charge of, like, cleaning the toilets

604

:

on Battlestar Galactica or something.

605

:

Just all the shit going down around them

while they just try to do their jobs.

606

:

Give me that.

607

:

That's what I need.

608

:

Xhafer: But anyways, Yeah Wallace

Gray here accepts after Rosalyn really

609

:

puts the screws to him about it.

610

:

He really did not

611

:

want this job.

612

:

So much so that when he's upset about

it later in the episode, it's hard to

613

:

believe.

614

:

Laura: Well, it's one of those things,

like, if you've accepted it and

615

:

then it's, like, wrenched back away

from you, it's like, what the fuck?

616

:

Yeah, I get it.

617

:

Um, but Zarek is still courting the press.

618

:

He's,

619

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

620

:

Laura: like, every host of Pod the

Colonies, he's looking to get their time.

621

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

622

:

He's, uh, he's talking, he pulls out

his little red book to talk about

623

:

the shackles of capital without a

wage and what that actually means.

624

:

I think he would be more interesting

at this point if he had just come out

625

:

and said you're effectively slaves.

626

:

Laura: Eh, yeah.

627

:

Xhafer: no self determination,

you're stuck in one place,

628

:

and you're working a job for no wage.

629

:

Laura: I mean, the thing

about this is context, right?

630

:

Like, we have been fighting for our

lives, maybe not 50 percent of the

631

:

time, I forget what day we're on.

632

:

Oh, we're on day 47.

633

:

There it is in my notes.

634

:

Um, but, fighting for our lives, a

good percentage of the time, more

635

:

than an average person usually has

to fight for their lives, right?

636

:

so,

637

:

his You're all slaves is like well, you

know Maybe some people are just doing

638

:

their job because it's like cool to have

some normalcy Like it feels good right now

639

:

and you know, we'll figure the other stuff

out Like that's that's why we're here.

640

:

We're to figure this stuff out.

641

:

Like

642

:

don't freak out guy.

643

:

I don't know

644

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I have to wonder

if, like, I don't know, if Richard

645

:

Hatch wasn't playing this character.

646

:

If.

647

:

If

648

:

they had cast someone, I don't know,

maybe with a different set of chops

649

:

or I wonder if there's a way for

these words to not feel slimy and to

650

:

feel more appealing.

651

:

But, yeah, um, and if coming from

someone else that that might be the case.

652

:

But I think with the

background that we've got, I

653

:

don't know, it's hard to say.

654

:

Laura: Yeah, it feels sinister Even

though he's ostensibly, like, trying

655

:

to fight for the people, it doesn't

feel, I don't feel good about it,

656

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

657

:

Lee tries to relax but gets

into a bar slash shared space.

658

:

and it leads into a squabble over

what should be on the radio or TV.

659

:

At least they're handling this

between the two of them instead

660

:

of making some poor member of the

waitstaff constantly change the

661

:

TV from one football game to another.

662

:

I don't know if you've ever been

present for something like that

663

:

happening around you in a bar, but

664

:

man.

665

:

Yeah,

666

:

Laura: CNBC debate of, you know,

somebody coming in and being

667

:

angry about one end or the other.

668

:

I mean, that's what this is, but

I've never had to sit through

669

:

somebody actually hectoring the

waitstaff about it, thank God.

670

:

Yeah, so the Sagittarian guy, who was

one of the guys involved in the earlier

671

:

Xeric incident is back with his friends.

672

:

He clocks Lee with a bottle and then

Starbuck, even though she's still

673

:

limping around on her cane, she holds

her own and she sees the gun fall out

674

:

of the other guy's briefcase, who seems

to be unrelated to these folks, right?

675

:

He's just like doing

his own, having his own

676

:

Xhafer: well, he did

interact with them earlier,

677

:

Laura: Oh, he did?

678

:

Xhafer: Yeah, there was a slight

interaction with them where they

679

:

were chatting or something in one

of the common spaces where Lee was

680

:

around when he got into shit with the guy.

681

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

682

:

I didn't see them interact.

683

:

But, you know, it's hard

to catch everything.

684

:

Yeah.

685

:

When I'm taking the notes.

686

:

But yeah, Spucks caught him

and gets a hold of the gun

687

:

and points it right at him.

688

:

Xhafer: She does kick

689

:

Lee a bottle here so

690

:

Laura: Yeah.

691

:

Yeah.

692

:

she's like hobbling over on her crutch.

693

:

She's like, here, you take care of that.

694

:

Super fun.

695

:

Xhafer: we cut over to Caprica Yellow.

696

:

Laura: Day

697

:

47.

698

:

Xhafer: Hilo and Sharon,

they've made it to Delphi.

699

:

Delphi, they say.

700

:

It's at Delphi.

701

:

Hilo comes.

702

:

So close to realizing

they're humanized Cylons.

703

:

Laura: So close.

704

:

Xhafer: He's like, maybe they're

just clones grown by the Cylons.

705

:

Laura: Yeah.

706

:

Xhafer: And Sharon's all like,

maybe they're not just human

707

:

allies, maybe they have regrets

708

:

about their participation in

genocide, maybe they, have advanced

709

:

emotional feelings and those are

complicated and they regret What?

710

:

they've done and he was all

like, no, all that's dumb.

711

:

You're dumb.

712

:

That's dumb.

713

:

No.

714

:

All Cylons are evil.

715

:

Stop.

716

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

717

:

Yes.

718

:

This is especially awkward given our

hypothesizing in the previous episodes

719

:

about human, Cylon reproductive

interactions because Sharon has stopped

720

:

feeling sick and now she's hungry

721

:

and, yeah, I, that feels

like a familiar thing.

722

:

Yeah.

723

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

724

:

I think

725

:

they call it eating for two.

726

:

Yeah.

727

:

Laura: Uh, Back on, is this on cloud nine?

728

:

This is on Battlestar Galactica, isn't

729

:

this?

730

:

Xhafer: nine.

731

:

Laura: Where we're

questioning the prisoner?

732

:

Xhafer: They don't take them off.

733

:

Laura: Oh, okay.

734

:

Okay.

735

:

I thought maybe they

took him to Galactica.

736

:

Xhafer: It's an

737

:

Laura: either one makes

738

:

Xhafer: beat that he

739

:

stays on cloud

740

:

Laura: Oh, it is?

741

:

Okay.

742

:

Alright.

743

:

Because I could see what I had in

my head as happening, happening

744

:

on either place.

745

:

So

746

:

Yeah, but I, I don't know.

747

:

Okay.

748

:

Alright.

749

:

Xhafer: else is around.

750

:

Laura: Okay.

751

:

Yes.

752

:

Xhafer: he gets killed.

753

:

Laura: So, this guy had every Rosalind

754

:

appearance marked in his little

755

:

notebook.

756

:

Uh, Yeah, he but, no that's not

757

:

his book.

758

:

That's his buddy's

759

:

book or something.

760

:

I don't know, he, he tries

to claim it's not his or,

761

:

I don't know, he probably

says many things.

762

:

Lee is a very bad cop.

763

:

Which is not how I would have

pictured this scene going down, so

764

:

that's fun.

765

:

Laughter.

766

:

Xhafer: uh, He, they're,

they're a very bad cop here.

767

:

and he's just like,

768

:

You know, he's got the gun from the

bar fight and they're just all like,

769

:

it's 3:00 AM Do you know where your law

770

:

is?

771

:

Laura: Yeah, Spux says

that Grimes gave him up.

772

:

I don't know who Grimes is,

773

:

Xhafer: I don't know,

one of the other goons.

774

:

Laura: yeah, other than our

context for Grimes, which I

775

:

don't want to think about either.

776

:

But there's no more due process,

and he tries to claim he was just

777

:

here for the booze and the food.

778

:

Which weren't we talking about

779

:

rations?

780

:

In the beginning of this

781

:

episode?

782

:

Xhafer: I believe they

have a need to ration.

783

:

Yeah, but I mean, you

know, it's a political

784

:

event.

785

:

So

786

:

no rations there

787

:

Laura: No rations for

booze and food there.

788

:

Weird.

789

:

Xhafer: Man it's almost Like,

people who have to make decisions

790

:

that, impact other people's lives

should you know Have to know

791

:

what's going on in other people's lives

792

:

Laura: Hmm.

793

:

Yeah.

794

:

Lee wants Zarek sent home.

795

:

But Rosalind's Not going to violate his

civil rights and play into his hands.

796

:

Which I still think is smart.

797

:

Yeah.

798

:

Xhafer: Rosalind

799

:

wants Lee to follow him, though.

800

:

Uh, Follows

801

:

Eric around.

802

:

Yeah, yeah, I want you to just

surveil and monitor his every move.

803

:

And if he says anything about

trying to kill me, take him out.

804

:

But, uh, don't, don't,

don't infringe on his

805

:

civil liberties.

806

:

Bruh.

807

:

Just, just,

808

:

Laura: Not until he's about to infringe

809

:

on mine.

810

:

Xhafer: Yeah, just surveil the

shit out of him, because that's not

811

:

infringing, because this is Patriot Act

812

:

Laura: Uh huh.

813

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

814

:

Xhafer: we move over to Quorum here, where

815

:

Wally is making his case for

VP, while Lee offers a soft

816

:

threat, as we cut over to

Ellen talking with Tom Zarek.

817

:

Zarek wants information on Valance,

uh, who Lee was, uh, having held.

818

:

Which leads to

819

:

Lee and Starbuck going to check

820

:

on him, and they

821

:

find him dead.

822

:

Laura: Just wild.

823

:

Yeah.

824

:

I guess they do tell us that cause

he's, he's his wrists are cuffed,

825

:

but they're also slit, right?

826

:

And there's some kind of

827

:

vent.

828

:

perhaps?

829

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

830

:

Laura: somebody got in

831

:

Xhafer: a vent.

832

:

Yeah.

833

:

Laura: Cause there were

guards on the doors.

834

:

Like

835

:

outside.

836

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

837

:

Laura: Why wasn't there a guard

838

:

inside?

839

:

Xhafer: Uh, that'd be too

convenient for the story.

840

:

Laura: Yeah.

841

:

Xhafer: I

842

:

mean, if there was,

843

:

you'd just kill the

844

:

guard

845

:

Laura: You just killed

that guard too, right?

846

:

I don't

847

:

know.

848

:

But then it's obvious that

849

:

he

850

:

didn't slit his own

851

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

852

:

You want, you

853

:

Laura: Because that's,

854

:

Xhafer: it.

855

:

Laura: right, right, right.

856

:

I mean, that's the first

thing I wrote down.

857

:

Oh no, did he, you know, not have

the cyanide tooth or whatever?

858

:

And

859

:

so this was the best thing he could do?

860

:

Or did

861

:

somebody do this to

862

:

him?

863

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

864

:

While Ty, Lee, and Starbuck discuss with

the President, she's listening to Gaius

865

:

on Pod Saves the Colonies, who gives

a very convincing speech that causes

866

:

Rosalind to dump, uh, Gary, who uh,

his name's not Gary, it's Gray, uh, who

867

:

does not take it well for someone who

868

:

24 hours ago had to be

forced into accepting this

869

:

job.

870

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

871

:

He, he was really reluctant,

but now he's, I guess

872

:

he's like talked

873

:

himself into it.

874

:

Like, yeah,

875

:

I'm the guy for the job.

876

:

This is the thing that I'm going to do.

877

:

she gives him the old

878

:

good line of step aside

for health reasons.

879

:

And yeah, he gives her a really backhanded

880

:

compliment.

881

:

He never

882

:

saw her as one of

883

:

the backstabby other politicians

884

:

and

885

:

I was wrong or something and, ouch,

886

:

Xhafer: Rosalind tracks Baltar

down in just an opulent men's room.

887

:

Just, like, the nicest men's

888

:

room I've ever seen.

889

:

Laura: the second we go

into this men's room,

890

:

I'm like.

891

:

He's not here alone.

892

:

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

893

:

like, the way that, like, the

894

:

camera frames everything,

it tells you that.

895

:

Hundred percent.

896

:

Laura: Yeah.

897

:

There's the little flush

of like, he was finishing

898

:

up something, but I was like,

899

:

no.

900

:

Nope.

901

:

That's not what's

902

:

happening.

903

:

Uh, She gives him a nice compliment on his

904

:

speech.

905

:

Asks him If he's voting for Zarek, and

906

:

he's like, of

907

:

course

908

:

not.

909

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

910

:

Laura: I'm voting for

911

:

Wally.

912

:

Xhafer: yeah.

913

:

Laura: But she says that while

he's stepping aside, and she asks

914

:

him to be her vice president.

915

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

916

:

a couple of weeks ago, I

said you were gonna hit a

917

:

moment in an episode where

I thought you were gonna

918

:

text me as soon as you hit it.

919

:

This

920

:

Laura: oh, is this it?

921

:

Ugh, well, the problem is,

922

:

Zarek was actually pretty odious

right before this, so I was like,

923

:

Man, I don't like Gaius Baltar.

924

:

We all know that, but

I was like, uh, lesser

925

:

of two evils, maybe?

926

:

I don't

927

:

know.

928

:

Except that Baltar can always get worse.

929

:

Xhafer: Yep.

930

:

Laura: And of course he goes back

to, uh, giving the reporter an

931

:

exclusive in the bathroom

932

:

after

933

:

he's been

934

:

Xhafer: yeah, Um.

935

:

But like, I've got questions here.

936

:

Like, security is posted

all around, right?

937

:

Like, this is clearly a, like, private

938

:

bathroom,

939

:

for all intents and purposes.

940

:

Laura: Uh huh.

941

:

Xhafer: Why are you limiting

942

:

yourself to a stall?

943

:

Like What's

944

:

he gonna do?

945

:

Laura: It all sounds unpleasant

946

:

Xhafer: little Uh, yeah, really cool

947

:

Laura: These people are all younger

and more athletic than me, So,

948

:

Xhafer: Amen.

949

:

Babe,

950

:

Laura: Starbuck and Leigh are discussing

the situation, and they have some

951

:

banter re Starbucks hygiene.

952

:

Like, her uniform isn't

953

:

Xhafer: yeah, she doesn't clean up nice.

954

:

Is the

955

:

Laura: she yeah, yeah, she, she,

uh, Hasn't, hasn't, cleaned this

956

:

uniform from the fight or something.

957

:

And, oh, we go back to the vote!

958

:

And it's shifting towards Gaius.

959

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

960

:

Comes down to one vote, and if there's

a tie, then Rosalyn is the tiebreaker,

961

:

and instead of showing

962

:

us the last vote

963

:

and the tiebreaker, we cut

over to the celebration

964

:

of new vice president,

965

:

Gaius Baltar.

966

:

I like this much better than

showing us the boring political

967

:

stuff.

968

:

Laura: I wrote in my notes, it's almost

a tiebreaker, but psych, it's Gaius.

969

:

But, did it go to the

tiebreaker, or it didn't have

970

:

to go to the tiebreaker?

971

:

Xhafer: to go to

972

:

the

973

:

Laura: that.

974

:

Xhafer: It was, it was 6 5

975

:

Tom Zarek,

976

:

one vote left to read, and if it's a tie,

977

:

Rosalind gets to pick.

978

:

There's 12 colonies, so there was only

979

:

one vote left.

980

:

Laura: Right.

981

:

Xhafer: So it.

982

:

had

983

:

to have been 6 6, which would then

984

:

cause the tiebreaker vote.

985

:

Laura: You know what it?

986

:

is, though?

987

:

It's 6BT is the vice president.

988

:

because every time she yells something at

989

:

Gaius in a scary voice, he does

990

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

991

:

Yeah.

992

:

I can't imagine what it'd

be like having someone,

993

:

you know, just standing

over your executive

994

:

leader, just shouting at them, making

sure they did whatever you said.

995

:

Just, you know, completely

in charge of the situation,

996

:

clearly, whenever they're both in the same

room, but they're not an elected official.

997

:

That'd drive

998

:

me crazy,

999

:

Laura: That would be a

wild world to live in

:

00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:45,561

wouldn't

:

00:39:45,624 --> 00:39:46,964

Xhafer: Can't imagine.

:

00:39:47,441 --> 00:39:48,951

Laura: I just don't even know.

:

00:39:49,251 --> 00:39:50,151

So weird.

:

00:39:51,941 --> 00:39:56,351

Anyway, oh, now we know why we're

talking about hygiene, because Starbuck.

:

00:39:56,881 --> 00:39:58,571

Gets cleaned up in a real nice

:

00:39:58,571 --> 00:39:59,261

little dress.

:

00:40:00,884 --> 00:40:04,144

Xhafer: Uh, this is

definitely at Lee, in the

:

00:40:04,221 --> 00:40:04,591

Laura: Uh huh.

:

00:40:04,794 --> 00:40:05,134

Xhafer: uh,

:

00:40:06,736 --> 00:40:08,356

Laura: He is flabbergasted.

:

00:40:08,356 --> 00:40:10,156

And this is where I wrote, JUST KISS

:

00:40:11,356 --> 00:40:11,816

in my notes.

:

00:40:14,124 --> 00:40:18,841

Xhafer: but yeah, uh, Zarek tells Rosalyn

he'll see her again at the election,

:

00:40:19,516 --> 00:40:19,616

Laura: Uh

:

00:40:19,989 --> 00:40:24,899

Xhafer: uh, And also he didn't

kill Valance, so someone else is

:

00:40:24,899 --> 00:40:26,829

around that wants her dead, is how

:

00:40:26,829 --> 00:40:28,029

that's kind of left open,

:

00:40:28,604 --> 00:40:29,504

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:40:29,674 --> 00:40:31,614

I mean, I don't know.

:

00:40:31,614 --> 00:40:33,994

It's not just that he didn't kill Valance.

:

00:40:34,034 --> 00:40:36,514

And, Oh it must be

somebody else that once he

:

00:40:36,534 --> 00:40:36,994

did.

:

00:40:38,084 --> 00:40:38,654

like,

:

00:40:39,177 --> 00:40:39,807

I didn't kill

:

00:40:39,807 --> 00:40:40,437

Valance.

:

00:40:41,582 --> 00:40:45,242

But, that doesn't mean

he wasn't my guy, to me.

:

00:40:45,392 --> 00:40:47,503

Like, uh, But, yeah, he wonders who

:

00:40:47,503 --> 00:40:48,003

did.

:

00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:52,272

Like, he's, he's, it's so threatening,

it's like, I have things going

:

00:40:52,272 --> 00:40:54,002

on that you have no idea.

:

00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:56,524

Xhafer: Uh, we see a

bunch of people dancing.

:

00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:58,434

Uh, We see Billy and Dee dance,

:

00:40:58,434 --> 00:41:00,514

we see Saul and Ellen

dance, we see Starbuck

:

00:41:00,514 --> 00:41:02,084

and Baltar dancing,

:

00:41:02,881 --> 00:41:03,081

Laura: Mm

:

00:41:03,244 --> 00:41:04,294

Xhafer: and even

:

00:41:04,934 --> 00:41:05,664

Bill and

:

00:41:05,804 --> 00:41:06,494

Laura.

:

00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:09,471

Laura: Yeah, Adama shows up

:

00:41:09,481 --> 00:41:12,911

because he's a real patriot,

and this is Colonial Day.

:

00:41:13,164 --> 00:41:14,994

Xhafer: it's the uh, anniversary of the

:

00:41:15,031 --> 00:41:20,369

Laura: Oh, yeah, that must feel weird,

:

00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:21,359

weird celebrating

:

00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:21,649

that,

:

00:41:21,649 --> 00:41:21,959

huh?

:

00:41:22,702 --> 00:41:24,862

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, I don't

know what else it could be.

:

00:41:24,862 --> 00:41:25,712

They don't tell us what

:

00:41:25,712 --> 00:41:27,022

it is except that it's the

:

00:41:27,022 --> 00:41:28,742

52nd Colonial Day.

:

00:41:28,782 --> 00:41:29,252

So,

:

00:41:29,659 --> 00:41:31,839

Laura: Yeah, so it can't be like, this is

:

00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:33,519

us founding the colonies, because

:

00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,779

that wasn't just 50 years ago.

:

00:41:35,902 --> 00:41:36,482

Xhafer: I don't think

:

00:41:36,482 --> 00:41:36,862

so.

:

00:41:36,979 --> 00:41:39,359

Laura: It doesn't seem implied

anyway, it seems like the

:

00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:39,999

colonies have been

:

00:41:40,009 --> 00:41:41,369

around much longer than that.

:

00:41:41,991 --> 00:41:42,601

Xhafer: I think you'd

:

00:41:42,613 --> 00:41:47,143

Laura: Uh, Well, yeah, because

Caprica is a, is a prequel,

:

00:41:47,511 --> 00:41:50,521

Xhafer: Yeah, and I think

it's set 60 years, so.

:

00:41:50,977 --> 00:41:52,477

Laura: Before the first Cylon War?

:

00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:56,205

Xhafer: Uh, 60 years Before

the start of Battlestar, I

:

00:41:56,205 --> 00:41:56,605

think.

:

00:41:56,752 --> 00:42:00,302

Laura: Okay, but still, it's

before the first Cylon War, but not

:

00:42:00,772 --> 00:42:01,802

by much.

:

00:42:01,985 --> 00:42:02,315

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:42:02,654 --> 00:42:03,084

Laura: Okay.

:

00:42:03,092 --> 00:42:05,222

So, uh, I just want to point out.

:

00:42:05,222 --> 00:42:07,822

that Adama feels about Baltar like I

:

00:42:07,822 --> 00:42:08,722

feel about Baltar.

:

00:42:09,065 --> 00:42:09,435

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:42:10,172 --> 00:42:12,502

Laura: But, uh, you know,

it's, nice that she admits

:

00:42:12,512 --> 00:42:14,822

that, yeah, it is the devil I

:

00:42:14,822 --> 00:42:17,642

know and I would rather do that

:

00:42:17,642 --> 00:42:18,212

right now.

:

00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:21,979

Um, I hate Elantai.

:

00:42:22,301 --> 00:42:22,741

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:42:22,939 --> 00:42:23,629

Laura: they're dancing

:

00:42:23,629 --> 00:42:25,139

and having this conversation.

:

00:42:25,381 --> 00:42:26,141

Xhafer: Me too.

:

00:42:27,689 --> 00:42:27,839

Laura: Ah.

:

00:42:27,931 --> 00:42:28,731

Xhafer: the worst.

:

00:42:29,419 --> 00:42:30,129

Laura: She's

:

00:42:30,259 --> 00:42:30,449

the

:

00:42:30,449 --> 00:42:31,439

worst.

:

00:42:31,709 --> 00:42:33,799

Maybe the only person I hate more

:

00:42:33,799 --> 00:42:35,305

than Baltar.

:

00:42:36,277 --> 00:42:39,067

Xhafer: Oh, for sure, she's the

person that I hate the most on this

:

00:42:39,067 --> 00:42:39,317

show.

:

00:42:39,317 --> 00:42:42,712

Just because she's like Such a force

:

00:42:42,792 --> 00:42:45,852

of evil, like actual evil.

:

00:42:46,092 --> 00:42:48,712

Like, even the Cylons, I'm like,

:

00:42:49,482 --> 00:42:50,862

Like, I'm not pro

:

00:42:50,862 --> 00:42:55,242

genocide here, but like, You were like, in

:

00:42:55,242 --> 00:42:59,662

oppressed people, like, It's

definitely a more complicated issue.

:

00:43:00,067 --> 00:43:02,937

than saying that they are directly, like,

:

00:43:02,967 --> 00:43:05,647

what they do is reprehensible and evil.

:

00:43:06,157 --> 00:43:07,227

Like, for sure.

:

00:43:07,737 --> 00:43:08,537

Um, but their

:

00:43:08,537 --> 00:43:10,134

motives, are

:

00:43:10,324 --> 00:43:12,664

more nuanced than Alan's,

:

00:43:12,774 --> 00:43:13,774

is all that I'm saying.

:

00:43:14,601 --> 00:43:17,231

Laura: Ellen is like, chaos is a ladder.

:

00:43:17,271 --> 00:43:18,901

I want power and I'm going

:

00:43:18,901 --> 00:43:24,981

to be doing everything I can

to knock other people down so

:

00:43:24,981 --> 00:43:26,081

I can climb on top of them.

:

00:43:26,241 --> 00:43:29,331

Um, And I do not like it.

:

00:43:29,341 --> 00:43:31,601

you know, what I just realized

we could do though for a cold

:

00:43:31,601 --> 00:43:31,991

open?

:

00:43:32,971 --> 00:43:33,121

We

:

00:43:33,121 --> 00:43:33,481

could do

:

00:43:33,481 --> 00:43:33,611

some

:

00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:34,541

alignments.

:

00:43:35,521 --> 00:43:41,521

and that would be a thing that like, we're

just doing it as I know it at this point.

:

00:43:42,451 --> 00:43:44,891

And you know, if somebody is a

Cylon later, that's extra fun.

:

00:43:47,174 --> 00:43:47,884

Xhafer: we can give that a go.

:

00:43:48,208 --> 00:43:48,508

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:43:48,548 --> 00:43:49,238

Just a thought.

:

00:43:49,649 --> 00:43:49,789

Xhafer: so

:

00:43:49,789 --> 00:43:53,789

yeah, Ellen, Straight, Grima, Wormtongue,

and Saul here, about a day off

:

00:43:54,179 --> 00:43:57,699

to go meet with folks

about their future on this

:

00:43:57,801 --> 00:43:58,311

Laura: Mm hmm.

:

00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,490

Xhafer: Then we cut over to Caprica

:

00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,003

Blue, where

:

00:44:03,913 --> 00:44:04,983

Sharon and Hilo

:

00:44:04,983 --> 00:44:09,043

play Metal Gear Solid

when Hilo sees two sixes.

:

00:44:09,823 --> 00:44:11,653

And another Sharon.

:

00:44:12,886 --> 00:44:16,076

He fucking finally puts it

:

00:44:16,076 --> 00:44:16,906

all together.

:

00:44:17,868 --> 00:44:20,728

Laura: yeah, we were

running out of time, so

:

00:44:21,188 --> 00:44:21,508

good

:

00:44:21,508 --> 00:44:23,338

penultimate shot there.

:

00:44:23,348 --> 00:44:24,008

I mean, I know this

:

00:44:24,008 --> 00:44:25,828

isn't the penultimate

episode, but because the

:

00:44:25,828 --> 00:44:30,357

next two are a two parter, I'm kind

of considering it like that, but

:

00:44:30,357 --> 00:44:34,727

yeah, Helo's finally seeing the light

:

00:44:35,254 --> 00:44:35,454

And

:

00:44:35,454 --> 00:44:39,804

Sharon shoots the other Sharon, like

our, our Sharon that we've been with

:

00:44:39,834 --> 00:44:42,504

this whole time, shoots new Sharon.

:

00:44:42,734 --> 00:44:45,914

Uh, But Hilo has put it together

:

00:44:45,944 --> 00:44:51,004

and does not trust the Sharon he's been

with this whole time now, because that's a

:

00:44:51,074 --> 00:44:54,924

massive deception that

has been revealed, right?

:

00:44:54,924 --> 00:44:56,681

Uh.

:

00:44:56,799 --> 00:44:58,599

And he runs away to

:

00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:59,409

credits.

:

00:45:00,575 --> 00:45:01,235

Hmm,

:

00:45:03,455 --> 00:45:06,565

I am really nervous for

the next two episodes now.

:

00:45:07,107 --> 00:45:08,917

Xhafer: Have you watched

either of them yet?

:

00:45:09,338 --> 00:45:11,198

Laura: I have not, but

I'll do it, I promise.

:

00:45:11,198 --> 00:45:15,761

Uh, Especially, you

know, you And others have

:

00:45:15,761 --> 00:45:17,601

really hyped up the Season 1 finale

:

00:45:17,601 --> 00:45:23,231

as being a bit dramatic, and this was

dramatic, and I'm like, oh god, am I

:

00:45:23,231 --> 00:45:31,021

gonna, like, need to I do have some

CBD before I go watch this, like, ah,

:

00:45:31,021 --> 00:45:33,041

but I really am ready for things to get

:

00:45:33,041 --> 00:45:33,561

answered.

:

00:45:33,621 --> 00:45:34,761

I want Hilo and

:

00:45:34,761 --> 00:45:40,706

Sharon to wrap Up, I want Hilo to get

where he's going, and I'm hoping there's

:

00:45:40,706 --> 00:45:43,146

actually some kind of a reveal, maybe a

:

00:45:43,146 --> 00:45:46,981

Cylon, because we already know

about Sharon, I don't know.

:

00:45:47,781 --> 00:45:50,253

Got a lot of concerns and expectations

:

00:45:50,263 --> 00:45:50,793

for this one.

:

00:45:51,103 --> 00:45:52,673

Xhafer: I'm excited to re watch it.

:

00:45:52,673 --> 00:45:52,993

I haven't

:

00:45:52,993 --> 00:45:54,823

watched this finale in a long time.

:

00:45:55,296 --> 00:45:59,876

I have, I have, uh, I remember

really liking it, and it's been

:

00:45:59,876 --> 00:46:01,406

hyped up a bit, so

:

00:46:02,006 --> 00:46:03,376

I'm excited to watch it again.

:

00:46:04,218 --> 00:46:06,468

Laura: And the title

is certainly dramatic,

:

00:46:06,498 --> 00:46:09,388

Cobalt's Last Gleaming,

for both parts one and

:

00:46:09,746 --> 00:46:13,886

Xhafer: Yeah, well we'll talk about

the, that episode in a second, but

:

00:46:13,886 --> 00:46:15,186

before we do we should probably rate

:

00:46:15,186 --> 00:46:15,696

this one.

:

00:46:16,279 --> 00:46:16,979

Laura: Yeah, I guess we

:

00:46:17,297 --> 00:46:23,747

Xhafer: On a scale of the quorum

of twelve, How are you feeling on

:

00:46:23,877 --> 00:46:24,677

this one?

:

00:46:26,189 --> 00:46:28,379

Laura: I already gave

out my fuck this episode.

:

00:46:28,657 --> 00:46:30,467

Xhafer: I mean, there's no rules.

:

00:46:30,837 --> 00:46:32,327

Or rather, any rules that do

:

00:46:32,327 --> 00:46:32,827

exist

:

00:46:32,827 --> 00:46:33,577

we make, so

:

00:46:33,577 --> 00:46:34,177

fuck them.

:

00:46:35,129 --> 00:46:37,969

Laura: I mean, I It's good.

:

00:46:38,939 --> 00:46:42,404

It doesn't make me feel

as, like, I don't know.

:

00:46:43,434 --> 00:46:45,564

Bad as the one did.

:

00:46:45,664 --> 00:46:46,834

Oh, what was that one?

:

00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:49,500

As, uh, Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down

:

00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:49,900

did.

:

00:46:50,553 --> 00:46:51,003

Xhafer: hmm.

:

00:46:51,673 --> 00:46:52,513

Yeah, that's fair.

:

00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:54,540

Laura: Cause there was a lot of

:

00:46:54,540 --> 00:46:55,880

like hijinks and

:

00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:57,740

awkwardness in that one.

:

00:46:58,610 --> 00:47:00,700

But it also feels so

:

00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:01,550

real.

:

00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:02,670

I'm like, yeah.

:

00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:05,070

Or

:

00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,470

two

:

00:47:08,363 --> 00:47:10,543

Xhafer: how different it would feel.

:

00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:16,330

Laura: years ago, cause last year

had the election anxiety in it.

:

00:47:16,733 --> 00:47:17,193

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

:

00:47:17,521 --> 00:47:22,271

Laura: Uh, But yeah, you're right, I

think that if I wasn't living in this

:

00:47:22,271 --> 00:47:24,411

timeline, I would feel differently.

:

00:47:24,431 --> 00:47:25,091

But it is very

:

00:47:25,091 --> 00:47:25,581

good.

:

00:47:26,123 --> 00:47:29,063

I don't know that I've rated

anything under, like, a 10,

:

00:47:29,786 --> 00:47:30,166

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:30,763 --> 00:47:32,513

Laura: and maybe that's where

:

00:47:32,513 --> 00:47:33,653

I'm at on this one.

:

00:47:33,683 --> 00:47:38,137

It's quite good, but uncomf

the uncomfortableness

:

00:47:38,717 --> 00:47:40,447

I have to acknowledge.

:

00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:41,899

Xhafer: Yeah.

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I also went with 10 on this one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: it just seems appropriate.

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It's a very strong

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season.

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Laura: It's a strong start to a show.

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I'm just so excited to watch more.

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The only apprehension I have

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is because it's so

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good.

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Because it's so well written and it makes

me feel things I don't want to feel.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

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Laura: give me some, give me

some teaser for the next one.

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Xhafer: we've got Season

1, Episode 12, Kobols!

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Last

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Gleaming, Part 1.

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Colonial raptors locate the planet Kobol,

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legendary birthplace of man.

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Laura and Adama battle over

the benefits and dangers of

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unlocking Kobol's

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ancient mysteries.

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Laura: Oh.

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I didn't really expect that.

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I figured kobol would

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just be kind of a, you know,

some of that mythos, but we

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were never actually going to.

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Explore that.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Xhafer: We goin And we

goin there next episode.

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But before we

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get there, we have to say thank you.

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Hey, Jeremy.

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Jeremy Siegel.

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JeremySegal42.

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bandcamp.

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com

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Appreciate the hell out of you,

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buddy.

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Thanks so

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much for our theme music.

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You can find more of

Jeremy's work on streaming

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services as Nuclear

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Jaguar.

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Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

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for our podcast artwork.

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Xhafer: Aaron?

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Oof.

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Gave you a doozy.

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Uh, But appreciate the hell out of you.

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Thanks so much for

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putting it

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together.

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Laura: And thank you to you the

listener for being here with me as I

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get so many things wrong on the show.

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I'm just happy to be here and

I'm happy you're here with me.

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Discord.

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We

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gotta plug the

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Xhafer: Oh yeah, there's a Discord.

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Um, rate the podcast.

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I haven't looked at that

in a minute, actually.

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see you next week,

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Internet!

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Laura: bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.