Episode 165

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Published on:

19th Mar 2025

BSG S1E12 - I Believed in McDonald's

It’s the penultimate episode of BSG Season 1, and Laura and Xhafer are still confused by the biological mechanics of the Cylon Raider. Laura is not in to boss fights. Xhafer hates seeing the car crash coming. Don't worry, kids! We have BSG at home. It’s Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 12: Kobol’s Last Gleaming Part 1.

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Xhafer:

Hey listener, it's Battlestar Galactica, which is a pretty dark

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show and this has not nearly the

darkest moment of the show, but

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yikes, it gets pretty dark this one.

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So we're going to just give you a

little content warning because there

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is a attempted suicide in this episode.

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and there's also.

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Someone trying to convince someone to

commit suicide that we will be discussing.

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So if that's not something you're

looking to participate in at this

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time, just go and skip this one.

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We'll see you next week or the week

after, because next week's going to have

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a content warning on it too, I imagine.

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So, just, we'll see you soon.

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Go listen to something else on

What Happened to Her, you know?

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Go listen to some Cool Girls

Don't Look at Explosions, or

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some Last Time On, or something.

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And come back, you know, when uh,

when we're through all this stuff.

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We'll, we'll see you later, listener.

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Laura: We love you and we'll

be here when you're ready.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Hello!

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And wow, you know, like,

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like recording that, and

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Laura: Back to back,

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Xhafer: Yeah, it's, it's, it's

jarring for me too, listener.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci

fi watchcast hosted by two former

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Strangers Now friends who are

working their way through Battlestar

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Galactica, reboot from 2004.

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I'm Ja'far.

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: And I was told

you have a cold open.

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Laura: Yeah, I did alignments.

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Xhafer: Oh, I didn't.

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Laura: It's okay.

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I thought about texting you, but I was

doing this at one of those times when

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it was like, I should probably be doing

something else like homework, but my

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brain is full of Battlestar Galactica,

so I'm going to put that on paper.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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What do we got?

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Laura: So I think if I was going to

start with alignments, and actually

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this is where I started in my head

too, going to start at the most

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obvious place for me right now.

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Remember, listener, that these alignments

are, as of Laura's perspective in

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the show, so I have no knowledge of

anything that happens later, and they

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could be totally wrong, I don't know.

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But, when I first thought about

alignments, one box was very obvious

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for me at this point in time,

and that is the chaotic evil box.

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Xhafer: Oh, who's chaotic evil?

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Laura: Ellen Tai.

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Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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Laura: That was so easy.

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I was like Ellen Tai,

100 percent all the way.

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Like you can talk yourself in all kinds

of ways on some of these other ones.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: But that one, I was like, nah.

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And I put like underneath

it, 6PT question mark.

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Cause I don't, I don't know.

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I'm confused by 6PT.

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So this.

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This perspective is after having

watched this episode, by the way.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: it is up to the penultimate,

episode of season one, is where

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I'm at with these alignments.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Laura: the chaotic column was pretty easy.

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So, for chaotic neutral, I put Mr.

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Gaius Baltar.

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Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I can, I can see that for sure.

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Laura: He's a chaotic man.

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Xhafer: He's a chaotic man.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And he's definitely

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Laura: feeling neutral.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Cause he uh, is kind of the one

who got us into this whole mess, and he

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did that by thinking about himself, right?

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So

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Xhafer: like, When you talk about like,

alignment stereotypes, True neutral

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is like the super selfish person.

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Right?

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Typically.

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And so I could see an argument for that.

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But he is just too much of a chaotic

mess to not be chaotic neutral.

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Laura: then my chaotic good, filling

out that column, you wanna take a guess?

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Xhafer: Oh, it's gotta be Starby, right?

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Laura: Oh yeah, it's Starbees.

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Xhafer: Yeah, hundo.

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Hundo, Starbees.

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Laura: Let me just cut the guts

out of this thing and fly home.

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Xhafer: Let me

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Laura: Not worried about the poop tube.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah,

definitely chaotic good.

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Laura: Okay, so do we want to

go back down the neutral column?

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Xhafer: Yeah, let's hear the neutrals.

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Laura: Okay, so I did have a

hard time with the neutrals.

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And neutral good, I put

Chief Tyrrel question mark.

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Xhafer: That's, I think

that's appropriate.

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He's not, he's not super law, he's

like, he's got lines, he's got,

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you know, he tries to do good.

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He doesn't particularly, like, some, he

does a little chaotic stuff, a little

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lawful stuff, mostly neutral stuff.

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Chief Tierra, I think, is a

good call for neutral good.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And I was coming from the whole, like,

you know, he was having that affair with

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Sharon, but when somebody is like, dude,

this is really inappropriate, he realizes,

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yeah, like, this is inappropriate.

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And he's trying to do good, but

he is kind of shooting himself

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in the foot a little bit.

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But

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Xhafer: I might put

Adama in that box, too.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I could

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Laura: Yeah.

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So of Adama,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Did you put him true

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Laura: in the, I put him in true

neutral, and I, I haven't really,

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because I don't think about this stuff

that often, I think about it when

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we're thinking about it, you know?

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Thinking of it as like, the ultimately

selfish person, I wasn't seeing

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it that way, I was just thinking

of like, he seems to be motivated

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by saving these people, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: He was willing to, violate

Zarek's civil rights for that, but

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got told no, and he respected that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He will do whatever it takes.

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Uh, He's, he's very much like, he, he

tries to be an arbiter, I think, not

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necessarily of like justice, like that

word might be typically associated with,

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but just of like, Generally speaking,

just like, oh, we need a mediator, let

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me take the middle here, um, in a lot

of ways, like, and then, yeah, it's

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just like, he will do good, he will do

evil, he will do law, and he will do

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chaotic, if it means humanity survives.

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That's really all he gives a shit about.

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Laura: yeah, that's kind of

where I was looking at him.

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Xhafer: so it's not selfish true

neutral, it's the other end of the

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same spectrum selfless true neutral.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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I can now reconcile the

things that we've said.

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Xhafer: Yeah, because he doesn't care.

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He's, he's doing it for this reason,

and I would argue that that puts him in

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neutral good territory, because the thing

he wants to do is to save people, but he

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also is, like, really not, I mean, they,

they're living through a genocide, so,

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like, that's gonna fuck up perceptions.

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For sure.

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And like, I don't hold him being

super racist and callous against

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the Cylons against him, really.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: that might change.

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Laura: Tough to at this point, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: At the penultimate

episode of season one.

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Reminding everyone.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, they're like

hunting him down and shit, like,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: they, they are the bad guys

right now uh, without much recourse, no

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matter what Sharon wants to tell Hilo.

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There's really no other way to

look at it at this juncture.

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Laura: Sure.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of Cylons.

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So, for my neutral evil, I have Doral.

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Doral's a good call.

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Laura: yeah, where I'm coming from on

that is Six seems very, like, jealous

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and maybe motivated by some feelings.

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Doral doesn't seem to be

motivated by any feelings in this.

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He seems very clinical about

how they're going about things.

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and it just seems a little

more, like, scientific

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: in his approach.

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Xhafer: There is definitely a more, like,

there is a character in this show who

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is just fucking textbook neutral evil

that we have not spent time with yet.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: And I'm not going to

take it any further than that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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in the lawful column, back up top here.

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Lawful, good.

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Do you have a guess?

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Xhafer: So, I know who I would put here.

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Right now, and I think it's colored by

a lot of stuff that hasn't happened yet.

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Laura: Okay.

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So do you want me to just

give you my perspective?

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Xhafer: Well, I'll say, it's

a character who has acted this

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way, and will act more this way.

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for a bit.

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There's stuff.

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But uh, Douala is

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Laura: I don't know Dwalla enough.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Yeah, she's super lawful

good at this for right now.

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Like, I mean, the most example we

have is her being all like, Tom

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Zarek was fighting for my rights

and fuck that guy, he's a terrorist.

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Laura: Right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Xhafer: maybe lawful neutral even.

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but we haven't gotten to spend

a ton of time with her yet.

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So,

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Laura: Okay.

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I went with Lee Adama, actually.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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See, now Lee.

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Is a very, I always saw

him as very neutral good.

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Laura: Okay.

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I, I went with Lawful because he,

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Xhafer: even lawful neutral.

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Laura: he, when, in his, like,

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in his whole thing with, um, Zarek,

you know, definitely Lawful, that

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he wanted to, like, okay, we need

to have an election, we need to

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play by the rules, we don't, our

society doesn't fall apart right now.

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Xhafer: that's all.

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That's all good callouts from

this season and not me thinking

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about stuff that hasn't happened.

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Good answer.

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I just agree and I'm not going

to talk about it anymore.

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Laura: Yes.

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Yes.

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And he does seem to be

motivated by very good reasons.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, his

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Laura: also survival.

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Also upholding our society.

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Like, our society doesn't need

to crumble just because of this.

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Xhafer: I mean, he had the balls

to tell the president to fuck

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off and his dad, so, you know.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: So, lawful neutral, I

did say Laura Roslin for that.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's, that's good.

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Laura: She she definitely

Respects the law.

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You know, she didn't want Tom Zarek

to get his civil rights violated.

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But she also didn't want him

to win a position either.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, this is

commentary on, you know, a little

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bit of Patriot Act America.

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So, you know, him getting spied

on isn't The concern that, like, I

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might consider it to be currently.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay, and that's one box left, right?

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And this was a hard box to fill.

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I mean, some of these

were pretty difficult.

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They were thinkers.

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I thought about it a lot.

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But I went with Lioban on that,

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Xhafer: For

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Laura: seem to have his religious

No, this is where Waffle evil.

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Xhafer: Lawful Evil.

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Oh!

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, I got confused.

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That's fair.

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Laura: Yeah, because he does

seem to be very, like, religious.

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And that usually comes with

some sort of code thing.

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and, I mean, because right

now we're in season one.

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Cylon's mostly evil, right?

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So, that's how I've filled

in the rest of the box.

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So, yeah, that's, that's what I was

thinking about one day instead of work.

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But I don't know how long

that, those boxes will hold.

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Some of them may get completely

destroyed as we go into Season 2.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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Laura: Little, little Ja'far face there.

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Xhafer: yeah, not a full,

but a little, little taste.

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We have uh, we have quite the

montage to open up this episode.

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Season 1, Episode 12, Kobol's

Last Gleaming, Part 1.

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We have five scenes that are

all kinda Going at once here.

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Well, four scenes, two of them

end up being very related.

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and then uh, We see them all pan out.

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Laura: So, in this montage,

we have a second device.

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Remember the Cylon device?

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So, So,

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Xhafer: Oh, that was on

the last time on, yeah.

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They bring back the Cylon device.

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Laura: Yes.

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So there's a second Cylon device.

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And, I was trying to figure

out where it came from.

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Was this a device that

Leo Bintu had on him?

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Xhafer: It must have been, yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I don't remember it being

discussed in the episode, but

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there's lots of visual things that

I might miss while I'm taking notes.

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So, but, but it's important that

we know there's two devices that

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they have in their possession now.

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We had the one from Galactica,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: there's the second

one, probably from Leoben 2.

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Or, I guess maybe it came

from Starbucks Raider?

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Could have

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been

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Xhafer: it could have been.

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I mean, Starbucks Raider is where

it goes at the end of the episode.

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So,

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Laura: know.

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But, it's important that we have

two of them, because we figured

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out something important about them.

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Xhafer: yes, yeah, we know, we

know that they're uh, transponders.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: So, uh, In this montage, we

have Lee and Bill Adama sparring.

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We have Baltar and Kara fuckin

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Laura: Yeah, but no, it's like, the

first couple of shots, it's Leigh.

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Xhafer: Yeah?

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Laura: Yes.

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So she is, cause she's

hallucinating Leigh, right?

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But we find that out pretty quick

that she, she makes it real awkward.

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But like, in the first couple

of shots, that is not Baltar.

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That is Leigh.

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Xhafer: Okay, I was wondering

if that was Lee or if my brain

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was playing tricks on me.

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Laura: No, no, no,

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Xhafer: Because I wrote Lee

down and crossed out for Baltar.

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Laura: no, you were right the first

time because it goes straight from

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like the boxing to Lee's boning

her and you're like, wait, what?

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Because he's back there.

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And then it becomes clear

that that's her imagination.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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We've got Hila runnin we get

Boomer with a pistol, not Sharon.

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And then we get Sharon

with a pistol, not Boomer.

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Laura: Yeah, this is fun.

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Lots of people where they're

not supposed to be things.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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And so it all kind of works out this way.

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Lee gets a good on in on Dad.

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But he returns the favor a few

times over, knocking Lee down.

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He encourages Lee to stop thinking about

sparring, stop treating it like it's

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sparring, and start treating it like

it's a fight if he's ever gonna win.

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Starbuck calls out Lee's name, and is just

like, leaves, has 6PT, watches, and cries.

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Laura: I was right.

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These two need to just kiss.

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Also, Starbuck, Paltar, really, girl?

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Xhafer: I mean, come on.

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Hilo is cornered by Sharon.

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She holsters her pistol, and Hilo shoots

her in the shoulder, and then Boomer

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almost kills herself, but doesn't.

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Laura: I wrote, after I wrote

down everything in this silly

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montage that is really good.

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It's a really good whole thing.

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Juxtapositions everywhere

that are really fun and nice.

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I wrote, this is a lot of crazy

shit that has great music.

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I don't remember the music specifically

now, but it was really good.

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And then we go to theme.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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After theme, Rosalind is talking

to Elosha about her cancer.

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Laura: Oh, is that her name?

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I hadn't caught her name.

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Xhafer: I don't know if they've said it.

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I just look it up every time.

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Laura: I just write Priestess.

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I can't look things up,

that's too dangerous.

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Cottle has given her pretty much

six months to live after an MRI.

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So,

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Xhafer: I thought we knew that.

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Laura: I don't think

we had a number on it.

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Xhafer: Oh, okay.

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Laura: I don't think we had six months.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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We cut over to a galley with

our, some pilots, GATA, and D.

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And uh, Baltar are all playing cards.

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Chara walks in, and

Gaius makes it awkward.

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Laura: He really does, doesn't he?

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Xhafer: In the worst fucking way.

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Laura: Yeah, he wants to be called Mr.

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Vice President.

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Xhafer: Duh.

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Yeah.

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Duh.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Ugh.

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And then uh, tells her she

should sit down next to Lee, and

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she's like, nah, I'm a bounce.

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Xhafer: Fuck this.

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Rightfully so.

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Um.

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Laura: Very much.

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Xhafer: Speaking of making it awkward,

6PT demands Gaius answer questions

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about sleeping with Chara while he's

trying to pay attention to Rosalind

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rambling on about a fiat currency.

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Laura: Oh my gosh, yes.

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This is some hoops that he's

having to jump through to try

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to figure out an answer that

makes sense for both situations.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: Man, 6PT.

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Xhafer: This is the rudest

fucking timing, 6PT.

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I'm not saying you're not right

to question Gaius about this,

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but to do it here is a bit much.

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Laura: Here and now.

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And she really doesn't care.

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She is a very jealous little Cylon.

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Even though she was like, I know I

have your heart, you go do whatever,

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with all these little ladies,

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and then she's not as

secure as she thinks she is.

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Xhafer: Mhm.

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Laura: Oh man, it is an amusing breakdown

because he's basically trying to pass

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off to Rosalind that he's like freaking

out about his responsibilities as vice

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president, and that he wasn't capable.

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And whatever.

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And she's like, I think this

means we need to take a break.

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And then he's doing the,

yes, we need a break at 6BT.

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It's beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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But then he goes to the bathroom and

she smashes his head into the mirror.

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So, whatever.

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Xhafer: She warns guys to stay off

the Galactica as it's not going

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to be safe there very, very soon.

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Laura: Huh.

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I just cannot figure 6BT out.

416

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that's, that's the point.

417

:

Laura: Huh.

418

:

I I am so confused by her, and I'm really

ready for her to be out of Gaius's head.

419

:

Like, I was hoping that would be

a, like, season one ending thing.

420

:

Doesn't seem to be.

421

:

Oh,

422

:

Xhafer: You got a long way

to go before the end of that.

423

:

Laura: that sucks.

424

:

Okay, well, Boomer and Crash are

jumping around looking for supplies.

425

:

And they jump right on top of a planet

and curse Gaeta for planning this jump.

426

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they're so

427

:

close.

428

:

Laura: he did a bad job.

429

:

He put us too close to this planet.

430

:

I think the implication there

is that Gaeta didn't know there

431

:

was a planet there at all.

432

:

Like, that's what it's supposed to be.

433

:

I don't know if that's true or not.

434

:

Cause, I don't know.

435

:

Xhafer: That's, uh, it's definitely,

they did not know this was here.

436

:

Laura: okay.

437

:

They did not know this was

here, but did Gaeta not know?

438

:

I

439

:

Xhafer: I don't, I don't think

anyone knows this is here.

440

:

Laura: alright.

441

:

I mean, the Cylons obviously know

it's here, because they show back up

442

:

Xhafer: Not, not at this point.

443

:

Laura: Oh, you don't think they do?

444

:

You think they find out

because of Galactica?

445

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

446

:

Laura: Okay, alright.

447

:

So Okay.

448

:

Xhafer: Well, no one knows where

this is that is plotting jumps or

449

:

working on maps or making decisions.

450

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

451

:

Sure.

452

:

Xhafer: Let me say that.

453

:

That's carefully chosen words enough.

454

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know.

455

:

I'm not convinced that everyone

doesn't know where this is.

456

:

How about that?

457

:

So they see oceans, continents, and

there's nitrogen, oxygen, atmosphere,

458

:

cool, cool, cool, cool, cool but

Crashdown kind of hypothesizes,

459

:

well, could this be Earth?

460

:

And Boomer just knows

461

:

Xhafer: Yep.

462

:

Yeah, Boomer knows what this is.

463

:

The second she sees it,

she's all like, Fuck.

464

:

I know what this is.

465

:

Laura: yeah, maybe the Cylon's

got it from Boomer, I don't know.

466

:

But we're gonna go to Caprica Black now.

467

:

Xhafer: It's day 50.

468

:

Laura: Yeah.

469

:

Xhafer: Hilo is still with

Sharon, whose arm is in a sling,

470

:

and Hilo is still yelling.

471

:

I believe it's been three days.

472

:

Laura: Yeah, I believe

our last count was 47, so.

473

:

Xhafer: We don't know when

the gunshot takes place.

474

:

Laura: Right.

475

:

Xhafer: But, that could be 47, that could

be 50, it could be somewhere in between.

476

:

Yeah.

477

:

Laura: But I like the idea

of thinking that he shot her

478

:

on day 47 and then fell bad.

479

:

And bandaged up her arm and has just

been yelling at her for three days.

480

:

That's pretty funny to me.

481

:

Xhafer: that's same.

482

:

100%.

483

:

I'm here for that.

484

:

Laura: They're sitting

and talking in the rain.

485

:

Sharon keeps trying to talk to him,

but he just refuses to listen and

486

:

demands that she get him off Caprica.

487

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

488

:

Yep.

489

:

Laura: of logic to think that she can

do that, but that's what he wants.

490

:

All Cylons can do everything, right?

491

:

They're just all, all powerful.

492

:

Xhafer: Kara is working on the raider

when Lee comes to visit, and is just a

493

:

complete asshole until she punches him.

494

:

Laura: He's giving her

a bad time about Baltar.

495

:

Xhafer: This.

496

:

Scene.

497

:

Did you notice that there's like six

extras, like, twenty feet away from them

498

:

watching this entire thing in silence?

499

:

Laura: Yes.

500

:

Well, I mean, presumably they're

both commanding officers, right?

501

:

Of these extras who are sitting around?

502

:

Like, if my two bosses are fighting

in front of me I am seeing nothing.

503

:

I am saying nothing.

504

:

I am not here.

505

:

I am dissociating out of my body.

506

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

507

:

Laura: Yeah, that's the,

that's incredibly real.

508

:

yeah, so they can't seem

to just kiss and do it.

509

:

And we're going to have to probably

do three seasons, three more

510

:

seasons of Will they, won't they?

511

:

Xhafer: Well, we'll find out.

512

:

Yeah.

513

:

Rosalind, Billy, and Elosha discuss

the ruins, and Rosalind sees

514

:

the city as it was for a moment.

515

:

Laura: Hmm, more hallucinations.

516

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

517

:

Elosha pulls up some scripture, and

the time frame of the ruins confirms.

518

:

This is Kobol.

519

:

Birthplace of humanity.

520

:

Laura: Yeah, they left

about 2, 000 years ago.

521

:

Hmm.

522

:

Xhafer: Man uh, did you see in the

Discord Ryan left us a little bit

523

:

of stuff about Mormonism and Koval?

524

:

I,

525

:

Laura: Uh, maybe I missed that.

526

:

Xhafer: it was like maybe 15 minutes

before we started recording and it

527

:

Laura: Oh, then I did miss that,

528

:

Xhafer: and it's not anything I had.

529

:

Oh, it's also in spoiler

town, so you can't see it.

530

:

Laura: Oh, there we

531

:

Xhafer: Um, even though it's not

a spoiler, because I want to talk

532

:

about it uh, but it was like, yeah,

it was very soon after recording,

533

:

so I had no time to look into this.

534

:

But there's a little bit of talking

about how BSG handles the inherent

535

:

Mormon foundation of Battlestar

Galactica, being the original

536

:

Battlestar Galactica was very Mormon.

537

:

and the, I guess, I don't know

much about Mormonism, so I'm

538

:

just reading what, People are

posting in the discord right now,

539

:

Laura: Which could be, it's just asterisk.

540

:

Could be wrong.

541

:

Xhafer: If I, I trust

everyone here who's talking.

542

:

So, but if I get something wrong, it's

probably me misreading or misinterpreting.

543

:

So apologies.

544

:

Um, so they're talking about how Kobol

comes from the Mormon mythos being

545

:

Kolob is a place in Mormon mythos,

which is like, The planet nearest to

546

:

God, and the idea of Battlestar being

this is where humans were, and then

547

:

they leave to go find other places,

548

:

Laura: For some reason,

549

:

Xhafer: And art's, like, coming

back is inherently dangerous, um,

550

:

and how it's kind of, like, reverse

Mormonism in a way, because Mormonism

551

:

is about getting back to that, right?

552

:

And I thought that was very interesting,

and I wanted to talk about it, but

553

:

you hadn't read any of this, and I

hadn't had time to do research, so.

554

:

Laura: Yeah, I mean,

555

:

Xhafer: Talk about it more in the Discord,

everyone, though, because I'm, I, I, I'm

556

:

digging the conversation with uh, there's

a handful of people in there right now

557

:

Laura: Victor might have some,

some perspective on that as well.

558

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

559

:

Laura: So, basically Rosalind

is hallucinating things

560

:

that scripture confirms.

561

:

I'm curious how scripture

works in this society.

562

:

Because, like, just standard

Christian society, say, or even, okay,

563

:

Abrahamic religion society, I think.

564

:

The holy book is, like, in

everybody's living room, right?

565

:

And you can just whip out a copy and see

stuff on it, in it, whenever you want.

566

:

Xhafer: Right

567

:

Laura: So, if, if the book is in

our living rooms in the society,

568

:

which it doesn't seem like it is,

Rosalind could have just come across

569

:

that picture and hallucinated that,

like, you know, she just saw it once,

570

:

and now she's on these weird drugs.

571

:

And then it goes, boom, back

into her mind, you know?

572

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

573

:

Laura: But it could be some sort

of, not secret priest knowledge,

574

:

but maybe just, like, guarded

priest knowledge or something?

575

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean, Alosha accuses

her of having read Pythia just

576

:

to fuck with her at one point.

577

:

Laura: Yeah, and it's,

578

:

but,

579

:

Xhafer: holy books.

580

:

Well, it's like, you read this,

and now you're fucking with me, so.

581

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

582

:

But in the land of Oklahoma,

where the Bible is everywhere,

583

:

just, just everywhere.

584

:

Like, even places it shouldn't be.

585

:

Like our schools.

586

:

Uh, Like, you, that'd be like saying, You

read Proverbs, and you're fucking with me.

587

:

You know, it's like, well, I

mean, lots of people have read

588

:

Proverbs, so, like, I don't know.

589

:

Xhafer: I mean, we've established

that Laura has not read the holy book.

590

:

Like that's something that's been said.

591

:

Laura: Oh, have we established

her as maybe, like, not religious?

592

:

Okay.

593

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she is becoming a believer.

594

:

Like even like, when she talks to

Adama about it, you know, it's like,

595

:

Oh, I didn't think you were religious.

596

:

And she's like, I didn't either.

597

:

Laura: Okay.

598

:

Yeah, I, I, guess when, that was

probably an early establishing fact.

599

:

And it was one of those things

that I didn't collect as

600

:

that important at the time.

601

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

602

:

Laura: Like, how everybody feels

about religion is just whatever to me.

603

:

Like, um, we all have, we can

all have our own thoughts.

604

:

It's okay.

605

:

But yeah, I see, I see

what you're saying there.

606

:

This is a bit of a turnabout.

607

:

And she wouldn't probably have

just been leafing through her

608

:

scripture bible and seen a picture.

609

:

Xhafer: Well, I don't know that

she, like, she might have had one

610

:

in her home even, but unlikely given

her professed non religious status.

611

:

It's very unlikely that she has one now.

612

:

Given everything.

613

:

Laura: Giving everything, yes, yes.

614

:

Xhafer: yeah, Rosalind saw the

forum at the opera house on Kobol.

615

:

Laura: Oh, you know, I do remember

those words being said and that makes

616

:

something else make a lot more sense now.

617

:

Okay.

618

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I'm calling

it out for a reason.

619

:

Yeah it's, they, they mentioned that

it was, there's a bit on Caprica

620

:

that was modeled after it as well

while they're talking about it.

621

:

Which will come into play next episode.

622

:

Laura: Cool.

623

:

Neat.

624

:

Back on Battlestar, Boomer

comes close to suicide.

625

:

She's been cleaning this gun for a while.

626

:

And Baltar interrupts and

clearly clocks the situation

627

:

at this moment.

628

:

6PT tells him that she unconsciously knows

she's a Cylon, but she can't accept it.

629

:

Uh, And she is very judgy

of the Sharon model.

630

:

She says, this model is weak, but

it will carry out its mission.

631

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

632

:

Laura: Boomer talks

about her dark thoughts.

633

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

634

:

Laura: Baltar tells her there are

things worse than death, to listen

635

:

to her heart, embrace what she

knows to be the right decision.

636

:

And this moment kind of cemented the

chaotic neutralness of Baltar for me,

637

:

because

638

:

Xhafer: Well, I mean, I agree,

because he's talking someone

639

:

into killing themselves.

640

:

Laura: he is, but he's also

encouraging her to self determine.

641

:

Xhafer: Yeah, but he knows what

that self determination is.

642

:

She's clearly, like, he, when he walks

in, she's got a gun in her mouth.

643

:

Like, there's not a lot of,

oopsie, I'm cleaning my gun weird

644

:

there that can be explained.

645

:

You know, it's pretty clear that's,

that usually, that means one thing.

646

:

And he knows she's a Cylon.

647

:

And he knows that there is danger

on this ship coming from the Cylons.

648

:

Laura: Yeah.

649

:

If it looks like a duck and it quacks

like a duck, it's probably her.

650

:

Yeah.

651

:

So

652

:

Mm

653

:

Xhafer: easily be incredibly

self serving of him to do this.

654

:

Laura: hmm.

655

:

Xhafer: get me out of danger, you

are the problem, you are the danger.

656

:

Laura: Yeah.

657

:

He leaves, and We get the gunshot

sound on the other side of the door.

658

:

And 6PT looks kind of mad,

but she doesn't say anything.

659

:

Xhafer: yeah.

660

:

The uh, collected senior

staffs between the politics

661

:

senior staff and the military.

662

:

Military senior staff discussed cobol.

663

:

Adama wants to consider settlement

while organizing a survey party

664

:

of which Gaas volunteers, and then

Valenti tells Atma he's going,

665

:

Laura: Yeah, throwing a little bit

of that political weight around now.

666

:

Uh, And you know, this is a planet full

of science and I'm the science guy.

667

:

So I should go.

668

:

I'm, I'm big science genius.

669

:

Xhafer: He's like, if you're going

to be having, if we're going to be

670

:

testing samples and shit, I should

go and just test samples rather than

671

:

have your goons bring them back to me.

672

:

Laura: Yeah.

673

:

Xhafer: You know, just let me go collect

the shit that I need to collect to be

674

:

able to say what the hell is going on.

675

:

I,

676

:

Laura: not important.

677

:

That's not important right now.

678

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

679

:

Laura: It's kind of wild to me that Dodama

is like, ready to talk settlement here.

680

:

Like, it doesn't feel like

we've gone far enough, you know?

681

:

Like, we were still running into

Cylons in like, the last episode.

682

:

Xhafer: right.

683

:

Laura: Like You're just gonna,

you're just gonna hide, like?

684

:

You don't think they'll just come

through this section of space ever?

685

:

Like, you're like, oh well we

didn't know this was here so

686

:

they don't know this was here.

687

:

And like, it's fine.

688

:

I don't think it's fine, guy.

689

:

Xhafer: It's like, you know, there's

like stuff like Ragnar station

690

:

where like, okay, well, silence die

within a couple hours here, right?

691

:

Laura: Mm hmm.

692

:

Xhafer: You know, like 12 hours and

you're a dead Cylon if we're on here.

693

:

So Like, if you know stuff like

that exists, I don't know how

694

:

you consider settlement anywhere

else at this opportunity.

695

:

Laura: You know what even

would be useful right now?

696

:

Go take the whole fleet to Ragnar Station.

697

:

And make everybody in the fleet

just hang out for 12 hours.

698

:

Xhafer: Just jump in, hang out,

699

:

Laura: mm hmm,

700

:

Xhafer: don't tell anyone where you're

at, close every window on every ship,

701

:

Laura: uh Huh.

702

:

Xhafer: just wait.

703

:

Right.

704

:

Laura: down like Leoben, like

crayons in an oven, like,

705

:

Xhafer: hmm.

706

:

That would solve too many problems, Laura.

707

:

Laura: just saying.

708

:

Xhafer: Take the eagles and drop

the ring in on the top of Mount Doom

709

:

version of Battlestar Galactica.

710

:

At

711

:

Laura: won't get to have all this

intrigue if we do that, you know?

712

:

Xhafer: least we're not being

sabotaged or tracked anymore.

713

:

Laura: Okay, I'll amend,

I'll amend my plan.

714

:

Let's just have Starbuck

jump Ellen Tai out there.

715

:

And if she melts down in

12 hours, then okay, good.

716

:

And if she doesn't, we

just leave her there.

717

:

Cause she sucks.

718

:

Problem solved.

719

:

Yeah, so

720

:

Xhafer: goes to visit Boomer in Med Lab,

who's blown out the side of her cheek.

721

:

She tells the chief it wasn't an accident,

and then also puts this all on him

722

:

in a way that was very uncomfortable.

723

:

It was all like, oh, you care now?

724

:

Fuck you, dude.

725

:

And it's like, if, if you are hurt,

regardless of whether or not your

726

:

ex knows how you got hurt initially,

and they reach out to you, that is.

727

:

Probably a selfless act of

caring, I would imagine.

728

:

You know, that's not going to be

an easy conversation and you know

729

:

that before you say something and

you decide to check in anyways.

730

:

I don't know.

731

:

Maybe don't be a

732

:

dick.

733

:

But also, like, clearly things

are not emotionally stable.

734

:

Laura: right, she doesn't know

who she is, she tells him, and he

735

:

won't help her, he's already said

that, so she gives him a dismissal,

736

:

Xhafer: Yep.

737

:

Laura: and uh, he salutes and leaves.

738

:

Like this whole situation

is just super ugly.

739

:

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

740

:

Rosalind tells Adama

about the Arrow of Apollo?

741

:

Laura: Uh huh, yeah, it's the

742

:

Xhafer: Arrow The Arrow of Apollo?

743

:

Okay.

744

:

Laura: We gotta go get it.

745

:

It's back on Caprica.

746

:

It's really important.

747

:

Having that arrow and knowing where

Kobol are will point us to Earth somehow.

748

:

Not clear yet how.

749

:

Xhafer: Do thing.

750

:

Get Arrow.

751

:

Laura: Yeah.

752

:

Prophet.

753

:

Xhafer: He is not

754

:

\ Adama is not interested.

755

:

Laura: Yeah.

756

:

He knows there's no Earth.

757

:

He's like, you know what,

you know that I made that up.

758

:

And she says, no.

759

:

You're wrong.

760

:

Things are happening, I really believe.

761

:

And he asks her not to let her

faith blind her to reality.

762

:

And the bleakness of it.

763

:

But he's blinding himself to

the bleakness of reality by

764

:

thinking he can settle Cobalt.

765

:

I don't know.

766

:

So, she really believes that that

Cylon Raidership, which apparently

767

:

these have a different FTL drive

system, they can jump farther.

768

:

Xhafer: Better technology.

769

:

Laura: Yeah.

770

:

Better technology.

771

:

That could jump back to Caprica

and bring Apollo's arrow back.

772

:

Obviously Starbuck would have to

be the one who flies this thing.

773

:

If they get the arrow to the tomb of

Athena on Kobol, then they can find Earth.

774

:

Still not clear how, how that happens.

775

:

But Adama refuses.

776

:

He's not going to give up

his military asset right now

777

:

when he needs military asset.

778

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that raider can

do a bunch of other things.

779

:

Like something we're going

to talk about in 15 minutes.

780

:

Laura: Yeah.

781

:

So we get the exploration party

going back to Cobalt and whoopsie

782

:

doodle, just crawling with Cylons.

783

:

Just everywhere.

784

:

Xhafer: We get my favorite,

least favorite shot.

785

:

In all of TV.

786

:

This is a thing that happens a ton.

787

:

I want to say, like, this predates the

example that I always use of this shot.

788

:

but the example that I always use

is in the first season of Glee.

789

:

Laura: Uh

790

:

Xhafer: There is a car accident where

you see, it's like, it's like you see the

791

:

driver and you see out the side window

and you see the car flying in, in the

792

:

background while the driver is unaware.

793

:

Um, and there's been, like, auto insurance

commercials with this shot now and stuff.

794

:

Like, this shot has been

around for a minute and I

795

:

don't know what originated it.

796

:

And I didn't do the research to check.

797

:

Um, surprise.

798

:

But this shot is like, I love

this shot, but I hate this shot.

799

:

Cause it always gets, every single time

I'm just like, oh god, fucking look!

800

:

UGH!

801

:

Every time it gets me so UGH!

802

:

Mm.

803

:

Oh, yeah, so see,

804

:

Laura: You want to tell

the people what the

805

:

Xhafer: 2.

806

:

Laura: Smash.

807

:

Xhafer: Is it that gets taken out?

808

:

3 gets taken out.

809

:

And it's, when they jump in, it's a side

view of the pilot and we see a Cylon

810

:

Raider just like, way too close to react.

811

:

Just smash right through it.

812

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

813

:

I guess that probably means

that the raiders weren't

814

:

expecting them to jump in there.

815

:

Because you wouldn't, like, kamikaze

the raptor if you didn't need to, right?

816

:

You would shoot the thing.

817

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I think it's, it definitely

seems like, given there's a moment

818

:

of like, Oh fuck, from everyone,

and the Raptors have to like, turn

819

:

around, and the base starts like,

what the fuck's going on, and it's

820

:

definitely a surprise for all parties.

821

:

Laura: yeah.

822

:

So, whole base star up in there.

823

:

Baltar's ship and the pilot get shot.

824

:

They patch the hole,

but they can't jump out.

825

:

Their FTL drive, gone.

826

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

827

:

So we've got Raptor 2, who jumps home

to let everyone at Galactica and the

828

:

fleet know what the fuck's going on.

829

:

Laura: So on Galactica, they were

talking about the Cylon devices.

830

:

And GATA has cracked the code that

these are some kind of transponder.

831

:

Xhafer: hmm.

832

:

Laura: Lets the Cylons

know, Hey, I'm a friendly.

833

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

834

:

Laura: Weird.

835

:

Xhafer: Could be useful.

836

:

Yeah.

837

:

Laura: jumps back in to Galactica.

838

:

Xhafer: Crashdown crashes down.

839

:

Laura: So, Ty tells Adama and Rosalyn,

Starbuck is working on a plan to nuke

840

:

the base star with the captured raider.

841

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

842

:

And immediately, Immediately

they're like, The frack?

843

:

Laura: huh.

844

:

She didn't talk to the Adamas about this.

845

:

Either one of them.

846

:

Uh

847

:

Xhafer: My My vibe is that when

she originally pitched this it was

848

:

100 percent a like, Independence

Day style fly into the mothership.

849

:

And only instead of putting a

virus in, it's just setting the

850

:

nuke off while smoking a cigar in

your raider and getting atomized.

851

:

Laura: And uh, Lee is like, you went

over my head to talk to Ty about this.

852

:

I feel, kind of feel bad for Ty in this

853

:

one.

854

:

He's just like, yeah, Starbucks is

working on this thing and, and everybody

855

:

else is like, Like, freaking out

that she didn't tell them, and he's

856

:

just like, I just, she just, just is

doing the thing, I'm sorry, you know?

857

:

Lee's screaming at her, he wants to

know the plan, and obviously, yes,

858

:

she is planning to just randle case,

I believe is that character's name,

859

:

just gonna do a randle case on this

thing, and he's not gonna have that.

860

:

Lee's not gonna let her.

861

:

off the hook that easy.

862

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

863

:

Laura: Objects to Rosalind's

drug induced visions of prophecy.

864

:

Billy's not down anymore, guys.

865

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

866

:

He's like, you are inviting the

military to dissolve our fledgling

867

:

government by doing something

incredibly stupid right now.

868

:

Like, Adama would be right if you went

with this plan to say the government

869

:

can't be trusted to save humanity.

870

:

Laura: yeah, Rosalind doesn't care and

she demands that he get her Starbuck.

871

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she needs Starbees

to door dash the arrow here.

872

:

Laura: Yeah, she, and here's

the thing, like, Starbuck is

873

:

not totally down with this,

874

:

right?

875

:

She is 100 percent Adama all the way.

876

:

She respects Father Adama.

877

:

Rosalind is trying to

give her, like, reasons.

878

:

Reasons you should trust this, and

you should trust this religious

879

:

experience we're all having.

880

:

And we know Starbuck had a religious

mother, but she doesn't seem

881

:

particularly religious herself.

882

:

She's prayed a couple of times,

but you know, no atheists

883

:

and foxholes and whatever.

884

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

885

:

Laura: So Rosalind tells

her, you know, I have cancer.

886

:

The scripture says the person who's going

to lead us the way has a wasting disease.

887

:

This may be their only chance.

888

:

Starbuck is like, what

are you talking about?

889

:

Adama says he knows where Earth is.

890

:

Xhafer: He said us.

891

:

He said

892

:

Laura: Dad said he knows.

893

:

Xhafer: Dad said it was okay.

894

:

Yeah.

895

:

Laura: Yeah.

896

:

Xhafer: Mom, fuck off.

897

:

Dad said it was okay.

898

:

Dad said we're getting McDonald's.

899

:

Laura: Exactly.

900

:

And uh, Rosalind says, Alright.

901

:

ask Dad.

902

:

Xhafer: Yeah, we have McDonald's at home.

903

:

Is the answer.

904

:

Because she goes and asks Dad.

905

:

And is not inspired by

his bullshit answers.

906

:

Laura: He just totally

avoids her Earth question.

907

:

She, I think she asks him how

long till we get to Earth,

908

:

or how far away is it?

909

:

And

910

:

Xhafer: Hard to say.

911

:

Laura: yeah.

912

:

Xhafer: Are we there yet?

913

:

No.

914

:

Are we there yet?

915

:

No.

916

:

Laura: Uh huh.

917

:

And he blows her off with

a good luck on your flight.

918

:

Your test flight.

919

:

She's supposed to be test flying

with the new transponder, right?

920

:

And they're doing something.

921

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they're doing

a little testy of something.

922

:

Laura: They're not She's not

ready to go do nuke flight.

923

:

This is just test flight.

924

:

Xhafer: Yeah,

925

:

make sure that nuke flight can happen.

926

:

Yeah.

927

:

Laura: Right.

928

:

So, it's still meaty inside this bitch.

929

:

Xhafer: It's meaty, and like, she's not

in a like, fully enclosed flight suit.

930

:

Which is wild to me.

931

:

Because it's like, isn't part of this

plan, like, Low key just dropping

932

:

yourself out of the back of this ship

like cuz I miss she she climbs in

933

:

through the ships butthole, right?

934

:

Laura: Uh Huh.

935

:

Xhafer: Or equivalent thereof.

936

:

Laura: Obviously, yes.

937

:

Xhafer: obviously it's a butthole and

so, you know, it's like her isn't her

938

:

plan to just like Autopilot and drop

out this thing's butthole while it's

939

:

flying into the base star with the

nuke armed Would you not want to test

940

:

that bit and make sure you can get?

941

:

Out of the ship from your crawled

in position while it's in flight.

942

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know, man.

943

:

Maybe they were just gonna

drop the nuke out the butthole?

944

:

And then she was gonna

get to keep the ship?

945

:

But

946

:

Xhafer: Oh, that'd be gravy, but

947

:

Laura: Yeah.

948

:

It's not clear how the

butthole works, unfortunately.

949

:

Xhafer: a nuke.

950

:

We know there's a butthole.

951

:

We know there's a Starbuck.

952

:

Instructions unclear.

953

:

Laura: Is there a flared

base on that nuke?

954

:

Anyway.

955

:

So,

956

:

she heads out for her little test flight.

957

:

Calls Adama on the scrambled channel.

958

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

959

:

Laura: And uh, tells him

angrily, I believed you, Dad.

960

:

I believed in McDonald's.

961

:

Xhafer: Right.

962

:

Not happening.

963

:

Laura: And he knows that she's

up to something, but she spins

964

:

up that FTL and jumps away.

965

:

Xhafer: My favorite part of this

scene is not Starbuck's righteousness.

966

:

It is not Adama calmly

trying to convince her.

967

:

Otherwise, it is Saul Tye's face only

hearing half of this conversation.

968

:

Yeah.

969

:

Laura: Starbuck and their superiors.

970

:

Well, he's not the superior,

but you know what I mean.

971

:

And now he's in the bad

position of hearing one half

972

:

of the landline conversation.

973

:

That is clearly going off the rails.

974

:

And uh, she jumps away.

975

:

Tai wants to know where she went.

976

:

Where'd she go?

977

:

And Adama just says, Home.

978

:

To credits.

979

:

So dramatic.

980

:

Wow.

981

:

What an episode.

982

:

Xhafer: What an episode.

983

:

It is just fucking wild.

984

:

Laura: Yeah.

985

:

So many things.

986

:

A penultimate episode should

do this to you though, right?

987

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, you texted

me immediately after watching this

988

:

to be all like, Hey, I need to

watch the next one fucking ASAP.

989

:

Laura: Uh

990

:

Xhafer: Like, Shafir, whatever

you're doing, you need to stop

991

:

so that we can record so I can

go watch this next one now.

992

:

Laura: Yeah.

993

:

Yeah.

994

:

Xhafer: And it's been five days, so sorry.

995

:

Laura: That's okay.

996

:

I did it without you.

997

:

Xhafer: I know it's fine.

998

:

You can watch one ahead.

999

:

You can watch whatever ahead.

:

00:49:34,201 --> 00:49:37,921

I'm not going to fucking, I'm

not here to police anyone.

:

00:49:38,611 --> 00:49:38,961

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:49:39,461 --> 00:49:41,291

We're the last people to do that, guys.

:

00:49:41,401 --> 00:49:42,361

Xhafer: It's a hundred percent.

:

00:49:42,381 --> 00:49:43,441

Do what you fucking want.

:

00:49:43,971 --> 00:49:44,911

Laura: Exactly.

:

00:49:45,281 --> 00:49:47,041

Yeah, watch Battlestar.

:

00:49:47,071 --> 00:49:48,051

Don't watch Battlestar.

:

00:49:48,254 --> 00:49:50,454

listen to other What Happened

Here shows, or don't listen to

:

00:49:50,454 --> 00:49:51,434

other What Happened Here shows.

:

00:49:51,594 --> 00:49:51,994

It's fine.

:

00:49:52,214 --> 00:49:52,894

Join the Discord.

:

00:49:52,904 --> 00:49:53,824

Don't join the Discord.

:

00:49:54,194 --> 00:49:57,304

You're, you're perfect

as you are, listener.

:

00:49:58,051 --> 00:50:03,531

Xhafer: I mean, if anyone on Earth

doesn't have the high ground to say

:

00:50:04,151 --> 00:50:08,491

watch episodes in order, it's the

guy whose podcast purposefully skips

:

00:50:08,491 --> 00:50:10,181

a ton of episodes all the time.

:

00:50:10,181 --> 00:50:14,654

So, you know, do what you want.

:

00:50:15,864 --> 00:50:21,064

But uh, I gotta know, Laura,

on a scale of 1 to 12 colonies,

:

00:50:23,059 --> 00:50:24,609

Laura: Where do I rate this on

:

00:50:24,609 --> 00:50:27,050

1 Hmm.

:

00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:30,480

I mean, I'm pretty hooked.

:

00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:32,970

I'm pretty hooked.

:

00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:34,860

Xhafer: it's a really good app.

:

00:50:35,819 --> 00:50:37,329

Laura: Did we have a mechanism?

:

00:50:38,059 --> 00:50:40,059

We had the fuck this episode mechanism.

:

00:50:40,289 --> 00:50:40,669

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:50:41,179 --> 00:50:41,419

Laura: Did we,

:

00:50:41,419 --> 00:50:42,519

have another mechanism?

:

00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:46,339

Xhafer: Yeah, the, you can

rate an episode a 13 out of 12.

:

00:50:47,149 --> 00:50:48,209

Laura: Oh, right, right.

:

00:50:48,209 --> 00:50:50,969

Hmm.

:

00:50:51,269 --> 00:50:52,389

Xhafer: Make something up right now.

:

00:50:52,439 --> 00:50:53,039

I don't give a fuck.

:

00:50:53,649 --> 00:50:54,969

Whatever, fuck it.

:

00:50:55,729 --> 00:50:56,739

There are no rules.

:

00:50:56,899 --> 00:50:59,599

The only rules that exist are the

ones that we impose upon ourselves.

:

00:51:00,722 --> 00:51:03,442

Laura: I mean, I don't have

anything wrong with this episode.

:

00:51:03,782 --> 00:51:04,082

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:04,812 --> 00:51:05,952

Laura: I, I just don't.

:

00:51:05,992 --> 00:51:08,352

And I feel like I haven't had

anything wrong with this whole

:

00:51:08,352 --> 00:51:10,202

season except fuck Ellen Tai.

:

00:51:10,392 --> 00:51:11,672

Xhafer: Yeah, well,

she's the fucking worst.

:

00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:15,406

Laura: I, I've, the suspense is very real.

:

00:51:16,816 --> 00:51:18,236

It's really good.

:

00:51:18,266 --> 00:51:21,726

I'm so glad I'm not watching this

back in the days when you had to

:

00:51:21,726 --> 00:51:23,936

wait a week in between your episodes.

:

00:51:24,926 --> 00:51:25,226

Xhafer: Oh,

:

00:51:25,276 --> 00:51:25,846

it's

:

00:51:26,016 --> 00:51:27,036

Laura: I can get to it.

:

00:51:27,756 --> 00:51:31,726

Xhafer: Uh, We'll talk about

how long the breaks were in

:

00:51:31,726 --> 00:51:33,816

between seasons of this show when

:

00:51:33,916 --> 00:51:35,116

Laura: Next episode?

:

00:51:35,286 --> 00:51:35,806

Yeah.

:

00:51:36,046 --> 00:51:38,626

Xhafer: But, fuckin Yikes.

:

00:51:38,941 --> 00:51:41,776

I, I think season one and

two was pretty normal.

:

00:51:42,346 --> 00:51:50,116

I think season two and three was delayed

a little, and if memory serves three

:

00:51:50,116 --> 00:51:53,176

and four was delayed quite a bit.

:

00:51:53,686 --> 00:51:57,316

And then four, they only gave

us half of a season at a time.

:

00:51:57,496 --> 00:51:59,656

They might've done that with three too.

:

00:51:59,746 --> 00:52:01,846

There might've been a

decent break in the middle.

:

00:52:02,056 --> 00:52:02,956

I'd have to check.

:

00:52:03,570 --> 00:52:03,930

Laura: Okay.

:

00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:04,970

Well, you know what I'm going to do?

:

00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:05,560

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:05,815

What are doing.

:

00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:07,830

Laura: I'm going to give

it the penultimate number.

:

00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:09,025

I'm going to give it 11.

:

00:52:09,025 --> 00:52:09,060

11.

:

00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:09,480

11.

:

00:52:10,205 --> 00:52:11,405

Xhafer: Yeah, that's exactly what I did.

:

00:52:11,405 --> 00:52:12,255

12.

:

00:52:12,815 --> 00:52:14,895

Penultimate number for

a penultimate episode.

:

00:52:14,935 --> 00:52:16,805

It's really fucking good.

:

00:52:17,155 --> 00:52:21,905

Laura: Yeah, it is really good,

especially that, that art at the

:

00:52:21,905 --> 00:52:27,869

beginning, that is the montage, the crazy

drama that we've managed to build up.

:

00:52:28,749 --> 00:52:31,429

And some things have been building

for some of the characters over

:

00:52:31,429 --> 00:52:35,399

the whole season, like Boomer.

:

00:52:36,149 --> 00:52:39,389

We've had kind of the Starbuck

Baltar tension, maybe.

:

00:52:39,882 --> 00:52:43,052

In the last couple episodes, building up.

:

00:52:43,702 --> 00:52:47,042

Um, oh, Baltar VI tension, for sure.

:

00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:49,882

Like, she's getting

real crazy up in there.

:

00:52:50,389 --> 00:52:54,479

and there's just a lot of like, it's

not necessarily payoff in that like

:

00:52:54,479 --> 00:52:59,049

it's over, but it's payoff in that

like it's setting up the next thing.

:

00:52:59,519 --> 00:52:59,859

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:01,189

Laura: A new thing.

:

00:53:01,389 --> 00:53:04,519

That is going to happen because of all

this tension that's been building up.

:

00:53:05,217 --> 00:53:05,687

Xhafer: For sure.

:

00:53:05,856 --> 00:53:06,786

Laura: I'm very interested.

:

00:53:07,481 --> 00:53:09,781

Xhafer: Well, let's talk about

the next episode briefly.

:

00:53:09,781 --> 00:53:14,681

We've got Season 1, Episode 13,

Cobalt's Last Gleaming, Part 2.

:

00:53:15,381 --> 00:53:19,761

I'm gonna read this description

because I've been purposefully

:

00:53:19,771 --> 00:53:24,821

trying to find the least descriptive

descriptions I can, I feel like, for

:

00:53:24,821 --> 00:53:25,591

episodes.

:

00:53:25,956 --> 00:53:28,706

Laura: been sanitizing a

little for my sake, I think

:

00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:29,026

yeah.

:

00:53:29,438 --> 00:53:33,218

Xhafer: While Adama makes plans

to destroy the base ship over

:

00:53:33,218 --> 00:53:38,918

Kobol, Laura focuses on an ancient

prophecy to find a path to Earth.

:

00:53:39,906 --> 00:53:40,286

Laura: Okay.

:

00:53:40,456 --> 00:53:41,076

Xhafer: That's it.

:

00:53:41,906 --> 00:53:45,096

That is technically a true

synopsis of the next episode.

:

00:53:47,446 --> 00:53:49,486

Laura: technically, a true synopsis.

:

00:53:49,556 --> 00:53:52,256

Those things definitely happen, yeah.

:

00:53:53,626 --> 00:53:55,816

Xhafer: There might be some

other things that are more

:

00:53:55,886 --> 00:53:59,406

impactful, perhaps, we'll see.

:

00:53:59,966 --> 00:54:05,556

Uh, But we won't see until next week, and

if, it's gonna be a whole week, listener.

:

00:54:06,326 --> 00:54:06,726

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:54:06,766 --> 00:54:12,657

Xhafer: If you're gonna wait a whole

week, I want you to go through that week.

:

00:54:13,042 --> 00:54:14,422

With a couple of thank yous.

:

00:54:14,432 --> 00:54:15,692

You'll have your thank yous.

:

00:54:15,722 --> 00:54:19,892

Everyone has the people that

they appreciate in their lives.

:

00:54:20,152 --> 00:54:24,262

The people who make the things

that they do better or possible,

:

00:54:24,642 --> 00:54:25,922

just like Laura and I have that.

:

00:54:25,932 --> 00:54:29,442

And so thanks Jeremy Siegel

for our awesome theme music.

:

00:54:29,442 --> 00:54:31,992

You can find more of Jeremy's

work at JeremySiegel42.

:

00:54:32,052 --> 00:54:32,712

bandcamp.

:

00:54:32,712 --> 00:54:34,622

com or on streaming services.

:

00:54:36,442 --> 00:54:39,312

Laura: And if you don't have streaming

services and still want to hear

:

00:54:39,312 --> 00:54:41,922

more Jeremy Siegel, guess what?

:

00:54:42,042 --> 00:54:45,474

He also did the theme song for Cool

Girls Don't Look at Explosions.

:

00:54:45,739 --> 00:54:46,229

Xhafer: It's true.

:

00:54:46,359 --> 00:54:46,899

Yeah.

:

00:54:46,959 --> 00:54:48,419

Go, go listen to Cool Girls.

:

00:54:48,419 --> 00:54:49,509

Go listen to LTO.

:

00:54:50,059 --> 00:54:51,809

And, you know, it's fun stuff.

:

00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:53,039

What happened to her podcast?

:

00:54:53,049 --> 00:54:53,659

we got

:

00:54:54,654 --> 00:54:55,484

Laura: We got stuff!

:

00:54:58,144 --> 00:54:59,334

We got stuff.

:

00:54:59,904 --> 00:55:01,274

Reasonably well done stuff.

:

00:55:01,434 --> 00:55:01,734

Yeah.

:

00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:03,869

Xhafer: Reasonably well done stuff.

:

00:55:05,178 --> 00:55:07,788

Laura: you to Angry Duck Time

Machine on Instagram for our

:

00:55:07,798 --> 00:55:09,308

reasonably well done artwork.

:

00:55:12,073 --> 00:55:13,743

Xhafer: Thanks for finding this podcast.

:

00:55:14,443 --> 00:55:18,053

I want you to stop editing, hit pause,

pat yourself on the back right now.

:

00:55:18,627 --> 00:55:22,257

You can unpause, and I don't know if that

made it through the edit, through the

:

00:55:22,257 --> 00:55:24,237

pause process or not, but that's fine.

:

00:55:25,292 --> 00:55:26,542

Laura: You'll, we'll never know.

:

00:55:26,757 --> 00:55:27,957

Xhafer: Yeah, I won't.

:

00:55:28,787 --> 00:55:30,377

I will never fucking know.

:

00:55:32,122 --> 00:55:32,912

Laura: And you know what?

:

00:55:32,912 --> 00:55:35,032

Thanks, listener, for being here with us.

:

00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:36,532

We really appreciate you.

:

00:55:36,932 --> 00:55:37,682

You're great.

:

00:55:38,202 --> 00:55:40,172

And we would love to talk

to you in the Discord.

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You know, if it's cool.

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If you're cool with it, it's fine.

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Xhafer: If you're cool with it, it's cool.

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It's a cool place to be.

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All the uh, the whole podcast

community, everyone's there chatting.

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You know, come talk about Battlestar,

come talk about Airwolf, come ask for

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tech supports, questions, whatever, you

know, it's a pretty open show place.

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It's a good time.

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Laura: it is a good

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time.

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The only caveat is you keep your

spoilers in Spoiler Town, so if you

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need to be there, ask when you get in.

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Xhafer: a hundred percent.

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All right.

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Well, with all that said, I guess we'll,

we'll see you next week, internet.

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bye!

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.