Episode 178

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2nd Jul 2025

BSG S2E11 - The Needs of the Bill

After a downer movie review, it's time for an uplifting episode of Battlestar Galactica. Oh, wait... Laura peeps at sea turtles. Xhafer thinks GoPros are for perverts. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 11: Resurrection Ship, Part 1.

Join us for more discussion on the Discord @ https://discord.gg/MUHKDDk6TN

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Xhafer:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers.

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Now friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jair,

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Laura: Or met Laura.

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Xhafer: aren't you glad to be back

to happy, uplifting Battlestar

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Galactica after Blackhawk Downer.

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Laura: I.

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Have been putting this off,

like watching any more.

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Battlestar has just been like a

little too much for a couple weeks

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I was really nervous

after how Pegasus ended how

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this was all gonna go down.

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So, uh, we do get some

silent answers though.

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That's nice.

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Wasn't as bad as I feared.

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I'd kind of built it

up in my head of like.

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Everything's just a blood bath in the

next two episodes, and it's really not.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, most of the blood

bath is reserved for next episode, but.

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Laura: Yeah, true.

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Xhafer: Uh, not, not as bad as, uh,

you had thought though, the two parter.

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We've both, We've

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both watched both parts and we're planning

on recording these near back to backs,

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even though you've got a weak listener.

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It's gonna be more like one

continuous conversation for us in

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this uh, parasocial relationship.

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So, uh, I, we'll try not to

get ahead of ourselves if you

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haven't watched part two yet, but.

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Laura: Right.

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It wasn't as bad as I feared,

like everything at, at the end of

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Pegasus feels pretty bleak and dark.

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Xhafer: No, just wait.

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Laura: I know everyone keeps saying stuff

like that ominously I with the face.

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But It seems like our situations do have

some ability to work themselves out,

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but I was like, there's just no way.

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There's no way.

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This is all bad.

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it's a brilliant writing on

the part of the writing team.

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Very good.

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Laura: Takes a lot of work to make someone

feel that way and then get them out of it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a, I think it's a very good two.

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I mean, we'll review 'em over the

course of the show, but I mean,

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uh, it's a very strong two-parter.

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I.

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It's a very strong three parter, not

my favorite in television history.

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That stays with Babylon five.

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But

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: on the list, top three parters.

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Laura: it's good.

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And I don't know, maybe

a little more like.

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Realistic.

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Then if we're gonna go back to the,

we talked a lot about Voyager Equinox.

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The Equinox things feels like

it gets tied up pretty ti ti ly.

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Um,

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Xhafer: tidally,

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Laura: yes.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: the ship is destroyed.

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Their crew might be extras for the

next three seasons or whatever's left

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: and

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Laura: fine.

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It's all fine.

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Hand wavy.

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No, no trauma counseling

needed for anybody.

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It's all good.

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Xhafer: This, this very much

has stakes and changes the

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game for the rest of the show,

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Laura: Yeah.

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So at the very top of my notes for

this episode, this is Battlestar

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Galactica, season two, episode

11, resurrection Ship, part one.

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I wrote very long last time on.

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We have a lot to establish

with the Pegasus episode.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, it's important to know.

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Um, I do think, did, did we

just, did you look it up?

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Was there a break?

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Laura: I thought Aaron said he had

looked it up and there was a break

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between Pegasus and Resurrection

Ship, but I never confirmed that.

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Xhafer: I am looking it up right now.

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I'm just

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gonna

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Laura: it's worth

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Xhafer: Google this shit real

quick because I feel like that

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would explain the extra attention.

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Oh yeah.

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Um, it wasn't a huge break, but

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resurrection Ship, part

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Laura: That's a, that's a bit of a break.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: don't handle that well anymore.

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Yeah.

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I mean, midseason like,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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A couple months mid-season, no big deal.

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Now you have to drop it all

for me streaming like within

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three weeks, or I lose my mind.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Did you see what they're doing with

the last season of Stranger Things?

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Laura: Huh.

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Xhafer: It's being spread out over, like,

it's not like Episo episodic weekly, but.

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They've managed to, I think, I

dunno how many episodes there are.

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They may be spreading it out over more

weeks than there are episodes, but it's

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like we're dropping like this chunk

of the season on this day and then

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this chunk of the season on this day.

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And then on this day, the penultimate

episode and on this day, the finale

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Laura: Wow,

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Xhafer: over two

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Laura: a mixed methods approach.

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Xhafer: They're just trying anything.

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Yeah, we pick up, uh,

right where we left off.

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SOL's suggesting getting the

big guns turned on Pegasus.

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While Starbuck is being sneaky

in the silent fleet, she uses her

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GoPro to get some action shots.

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Laura: Yeah, she's got

the Blackbird out there.

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Xhafer: neither ship is willing to fire

first here between Pegasus and Galactica.

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some fucking discipline Must be nice.

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The, the fighters are

dancing around each other.

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The recon mission is recalled to help

Kane's mission to kill Bill Adama.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The Viper's all like flying

around each other, just doing

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this weird game of dancing.

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Chicken is really stressful.

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Xhafer: stressful.

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I was waiting for one of them to

hit another one of them on accident.

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Laura: Yeah, just because like, you

know, we don't even have to have our

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guns blazing to be a danger to each other

when we're all flying in close quarters.

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Xhafer: the worst form of bumper carts.

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Laura: Uh, and, uh, Lee

is out there with his cag.

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They were gonna go on the recon mission.

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Is that right?

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That's why they're out and about,

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Xhafer: Yeah, they're about, they

were about to do the recon mission

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Laura: that Starbuck is actually

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Lee had

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sent Starbucks to like, do the

recon mission on the dl and then,

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uh, Lee and, uh, what's his name?

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Spicer or something?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Some

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Some guy who fucking cares.

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Laura: But yeah, he immediately

relieves Lee of duty like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but he sticks him in the back

where he is still got a computer

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that he still has access to.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he just starts texting.

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Kara,

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you like, guess where I am?

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LOL.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But she's been, she's been busy.

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She got some really close up shots.

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Was she flying through

the resurrection ship?

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I

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She flies through the ship,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Now listener.

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If you haven't watched this episode

lately, I wanna remind you of what

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the resurrection ship looks like.

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So the resurrection ship looks like

we had a like basic spider design that

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we were just gonna put on something

and we just hit Control V, control V,

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or control C, control V, control C,

control V over and over and over again,

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and it just stacked up on itself.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And became like this long

chain of little spidery things.

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Xhafer: It's weird.

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It looks different than

all the other Cy Ships.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: I look at it and I think

it's supposed to be Moby Dick, like I

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think it's supposed to be the whale.

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'cause it looks like it's kind of like

whale bone, like a rib cage almost to me.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: And so I'm wondering if it's

supposed to be like, this is not, I,

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there's nothing about it in the book

that I remember, but I wonder if it was

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supposed to be like evocative of like

that, like this is Kane's white whale.

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Laura: It's kind of a rack of ribs,

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: two racks of

ribs, like put together.

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I don't know,

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Xhafer: that, that's a rib cage.

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Laura: I guess, uh The Cy bodies

that resurrect are like in little

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pods throughout the rib structure.

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Throughout the rib cage.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They're in those glass elevators

on the sides of buildings that

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are way too scary for no reason.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Why?

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Why would you do that?

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Don't do that.

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No one needs to see that.

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Xhafer: No one wants to be there.

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Laura: It give me like vertigo,

just watching things go by.

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Sounds awful.

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Xhafer: It's miserable.

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Laura: Yeah, so weird ship.

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Everything else, I guess.

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We've seen bay stars and we've

seen Raiders and the other

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ship, the like drop ship.

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Yeah.

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Everything else is like very smooth.

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Like we've got curvy

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They're all

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Laura: the resurrection ship is angles.

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Xhafer: they're all crummy and curvy

on the outside, and this is like.

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Not crummy and not curvy at all.

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It

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is very, very different.

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Laura: Interesting.

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Gotta keep it fresh

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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They're not the Borg.

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Come on.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cubes.

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Let's make it weird.

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Let's make one of 'em a circle.

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Xhafer: God, there are some weird

ass Borg ships for no reason.

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Like, let's do other shapes.

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Fuck it.

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Like at the end of Voyager

there, they were just throwing

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all kinds of random shit.

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Borg Octagon, fuck it.

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Or there's a di, there's a diamond.

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I think, actually I don't, there's

not actually an octagon, I don't

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Laura: I mean, if lower decks were to

come back and throw up a dodecahedron,

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everyone would lose their minds.

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Xhafer: it's like we've got the leftover

thing from seven days that's off the air.

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We need just bfy this and

throw it on TV somehow.

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Save a couple bucks.

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I just made like two listeners days.

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Exactly.

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Two.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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So all of this mess gets broken up

by Dradis, contact unknown Dradis,

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Xhafer: Yep.

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It's gotta be a silent Raider because?

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Laura: of course,

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Xhafer: Because what else could it be?

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Laura: and nobody.

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Remembers.

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I think the only person that mentions

like that the Blackbird is gone.

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We have, um, oh, what's

the new chief's name?

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Pegasus.

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Chief

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Xhafer: Well, he's galactic, achieve now

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layered.

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Laura: Well, yeah, yeah.

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But he came from Pegasus,

you know what I mean?

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Um, Laird I think mentions like,

oh, hey, the blackbird's not here.

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Somebody mentions it and then, oh.

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It's not a silent Raider at all.

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Xhafer: She turns her helmet on so that

they can know who she is, and she's all

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like, Hey, we're all friendlies here.

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Let's, let's be friendly, please.

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Laura: And Ty and Adama actually

like thank, they're thanking the

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gods for Starbuck and her crazy ass

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shit.

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Crazy ass

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Xhafer: finally, once it's in our favor

for real, just completely Starbucks

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sends her GoPro footage over to Kane

who loves the sick kick flip or whatever

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people use those things for because

they make Blair Lich look like it was

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shut on a steady cam perverts, right?

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That's who buys GoPros.

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I don't know what else

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Laura: Oh, I bought a GoPro, but it

was when we were going scuba diving.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Well, not sc, we were going

snorkeling, but yeah, I wanted to

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get snorkel pictures with my GoPro.

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That was my goal.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: All right.

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It's just, it's a tiny camera that you

could just put anywhere, and I'm just all

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like, what use does this have?

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Laura: I'm just peeping

on some T turtles, bro.

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Xhafer: You didn't get those sea

Turtles permission to be filmed.

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Laura: Oh, that's true.

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That's true.

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Next time I'll go down

with a little clipboard.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Yeah, Get some waiver signed.

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A hundred percent.

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Ask if they wanna be

guests on the podcast.

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Fuck it.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Why not?

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Xhafer: Kain agrees to stand down and

meet on Colonial one to talk it out

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while the footage star bes brought back

is CSI enhanced to reveal a block of

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sixes just naked, facing out into space.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Weird choices.

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Laura: Weird elevator.

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So weird.

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Xhafer: Just like put them on the inside.

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They're the precious cargo.

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Right?

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Like

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are these like the ones that

you care about less than the

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ones that you resurrect in the

lat worst case scenario, like,

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Laura: Maybe they have to be on the

outside in order to pick up the signals.

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You know, like when one dies and

is like beaming itself back, like

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if they're too far in the ship,

they're just not gonna make it.

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Xhafer: Also, I want to bitch

about something right now.

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I don't

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remember if this comes up later,

but wouldn't you like instantly

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know all of the cys now?

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Laura: Ah, we should, I guess maybe,

maybe they're implying that this

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is just like a ship full of sixes.

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I don't know,

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it's like you would think you

would be like, at the very least,

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you'd get one that you don't

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know about.

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Laura: you would think that if

this ship is following the fleet.

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It should have everybody

of the CYS in the fleet on

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Xhafer: At the, yeah.

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Every, every silent who's in the

fleet would be on this thing, and you

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might not bother with if there were

silences that were not in the fleet,

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like, what's his name back on Capa.

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Jonas

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Laura: If we have no

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Simons in the fleet,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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whatever.

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Simon doesn't need to be on board, but

like, maybe that's what six is like.

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They know.

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They know six, so they just put

all the sixes on the outside.

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I don't think it's ever addressed.

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I don't remember it being addressed.

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Um, and it's definitely not

addressed in part one or part two

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after they, and I'm just like, this

is such a fucking glaring pothole

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to me, where it's just like, you

figure you'd at least get one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Or that

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somebody,

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Xhafer: is.

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Laura: that somebody looking at

those pictures might say, Hey,

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before we go totally destroy this.

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Somebody needs to try to get

pictures of the rest of 'em.

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Xhafer: Well, she

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Laura: You know?

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Xhafer: she got up in there so close.

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It's like she took so many

photos, you're gonna tell me

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that there's nothing in there.

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They could only enhance

the one to show sixes.

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Laura: She had her thumb over

the lens for like half of it.

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That's gotta be it.

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Xhafer: That's gotta be it.

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Survivor count, we go to theme

survivor Count 49,000 6 0 4.

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We are down just one dead rapist.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Hmm.

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There's my tiny violin.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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That guy was the fucking worst.

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: Rosalyn lectures the

military leaders on how this

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is their collective fuck up.

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Laura: Okay.

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So.

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I don't remember if we came up with this

last time, or I just came up with it in my

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notes, but if, if Rosalyn is mommy Right.

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And Adama is Papa Dama, as we've said

I started calling Kain Auntie Kain.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I'm here for that.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Kane is like, fuck y'all, fuck

everything as MPUs gets my way or the

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highway plays and she treats Colonial

one like our personal rage room.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Auntie Kane's got some things

she's needing to work out.

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Xhafer: Rosalyn is like our op.

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Your options are fight or compromise.

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There is no other option.

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And Kane is like lies.

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Delay is an option.

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I'll be choosing Delay.

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Laura: I do, I do agree with, uh,

the k and m on this point that

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like, when you feel like you have

no good options, maybe delay.

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Xhafer: Yeah, maybe wait a

little bit, see what happens.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Never know.

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Xhafer: A little more information

might make things a lot better.

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Laura: It's the procrastinator's anthem.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: was, this is a good time to delay.

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Laura: Not bad.

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Not bad.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Kane promotes Kara to

captain and makes her Pegasus

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cag stinger let the whole thing

with her sneaking off and doing a

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mission happen and Elise and Adama.

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But Kane sees herself in Starbuck

and rewards her initiative.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She starts to win

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Kara over a little bit here by

not giving a fuck about Earth and

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asserting the fleet's real goal should

be returning to the colonies after

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genocide and all of the silence.

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Laura: Yeah, we're just gonna go get

Caprica back is her promise to Starbuck.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And I don't think I ever

get to find out how genuine this

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thought was because, I don't know.

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'cause she's just saying

what Starbuck wants to hear.

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I mean, she probably really does

wanna kill all the cys and just like,

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Xhafer: She's very prosy genocide.

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Laura: yeah.

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but I don't know how realistic

your thoughts are here.

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Auntie Kane.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Bit of a stretch goal.

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Probably not gonna hit it on

this Kickstarter campaign.

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Laura: Yeah, those cylons pretty strong.

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That's all I'm saying.

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Xhafer: Laura tells Bill that he's going

to have to kill Kane, and then that's

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the only way to protect the fleet.

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Laura: Yeah, and I mean, I kind

of felt this way too right here.

439

:

Like I was like, there's no way.

440

:

They talked about Laird having

been a civilian, and they're very

441

:

cagey about how he got on Galactic.

442

:

I was like, there's no way she's gonna.

443

:

Like be down for protecting this small

group of slower ships, undefended

444

:

ships, or, you know, they can't

truly defend themselves from silents.

445

:

There's no way this woman is

gonna be like, oh yeah, I'm

446

:

gonna be your new babysitter.

447

:

Like, nah.

448

:

So

449

:

Xhafer: That can

450

:

Laura: I don't think she has

their interest in mind at all.

451

:

Xhafer: Nope.

452

:

Coddle has examined Sharon and they

talk with Adama about what happened.

453

:

Man, that coddles fucking great.

454

:

Laura: Yeah.

455

:

Xhafer: don't feel like I've got a

whole lot to say about this scene,

456

:

uh, because it's so fucking sad and

deep that I don't feel like I really

457

:

have any place to comment on it.

458

:

Laura: Yeah.

459

:

They do, like, do the, the rundown of

she's got no permanent physical damage.

460

:

The baby seems to be

461

:

Xhafer: Broken rib,

462

:

Laura: rib.

463

:

Adama tries to be comforting, I

464

:

guess.

465

:

cause he, he reassures Sharon that, you

know, these, these men were not from

466

:

Galactica that tried to do that to you.

467

:

And, he's trying to promise that

Helo and Tear aren't gonna get

468

:

executed, even though that's

so not within like his power.

469

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

470

:

Laura: and I, I feel like these two

men are doing their best in this scene.

471

:

Like Doc Cuddles telling her

that that was unforgivable

472

:

what was happening to you and.

473

:

Adama takes the chance to personally

apologize because it was on his

474

:

ship, which means it was under his

eyes and it shouldn't have happened.

475

:

and he wants her to be fully

taken care of before she's

476

:

returned back to her prison cell.

477

:

So all kind of weird, but I feel

like they're doing their best under

478

:

some gosh dang weird circumstances

that they don't know how to navigate.

479

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

480

:

It's, uh, it's shitty.

481

:

Laura: Yeah, and I mean, we can always

argue and say, well, they should

482

:

have done X, Y, Z, but like sometimes

doing your best is still not the best.

483

:

Xhafer: yeah.

484

:

Laura: But they're making an

attempt and some people aren't

485

:

even making an attempt, so,

486

:

Xhafer: Oh well, yeah.

487

:

Most people don't give a fuck

488

:

unfortunately.

489

:

But that comes a little bit later.

490

:

Before we get there Gaas is in his mind.

491

:

Palace telling us he's bored of his mind.

492

:

Palace, he doesn't miss Caprica anymore.

493

:

Six PT does.

494

:

She misses the Pyramid Games.

495

:

Laura: Yeah.

496

:

Weird.

497

:

Xhafer: I have a like logistics question.

498

:

Laura: Okay.

499

:

Xhafer: make the Pyramid Games

sound like this is like a

500

:

soccer or football type thing,

501

:

Laura: Yeah, that's what I was assuming.

502

:

Xhafer: We have seen a

regulation pyramid court

503

:

and it is a third of the

size of a tennis court.

504

:

Laura: I guess it would.

505

:

So that was a regulation size court.

506

:

Xhafer: That Starbuck, that

Starbuck calls it a regulation court

507

:

Laura: Hmm.

508

:

Xhafer: when she's giving

Sanders shit about how they,

509

:

the re revolution or whatever is

spending their time and resources.

510

:

Laura: Yeah,

511

:

it does seem pretty small.

512

:

Xhafer: it's so tiny how many people

would be able to like, watch this game?

513

:

Laura: Yeah.

514

:

Xhafer: 'cause they're talking

about it like it's this huge crowd.

515

:

But if it's like.

516

:

That tiny, you know, you're fitting

517

:

what, like a third of a

basketball game audience in there?

518

:

Laura: Yeah, even if you have like

where you've got the giant screens

519

:

like they have at the basketball game,

so the people who are way, way up can

520

:

just watch the game on the screens

or see most of the details up there.

521

:

Yeah.

522

:

Huh.

523

:

That is weird.

524

:

Xhafer: yeah.

525

:

Eh.

526

:

Laura: That's pretty small.

527

:

Well, and she's talking about pyramid

and I'm sitting there going, oh.

528

:

You like the Pyramid Games 'cause

you wanted to go watch the other

529

:

Cylon Anders, is that right?

530

:

Xhafer: We cut back to reality

to find him in Gina's cell.

531

:

As Kane rolls in she kicks Gina.

532

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

533

:

Xhafer: is like, what the fuck?

534

:

And then Gina starts to beg him for death.

535

:

Yeah.

536

:

Laura: Yeah, I was already pretty

pissed at Kane for allowing

537

:

Thorn to operate, period.

538

:

And it's despicable no matter

what, but I, I find a woman

539

:

who's like, yeah, that's fine.

540

:

To be extra despicable.

541

:

and she's not above the kicking

'em while they're down either.

542

:

So.

543

:

Xhafer: Nope.

544

:

Laura: Auntie Kane got some issues.

545

:

Xhafer: Cali gives dama the T about

Pegasus former civilian fleet.

546

:

Just a little, a little

547

:

Laura: Now we find out why this is weird.

548

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

549

:

A little hint that Saul follows up on

he loosened some lips with some alcohol

550

:

and hears about how they were stripping

ships down, leaving civilians stranded,

551

:

and using violence on their families to

ensure compliance when drafting them.

552

:

Laura: Yeah, they, he says

they killed two families to

553

:

get the useful people on board.

554

:

They don't specify whether Laird's

family was one of those families.

555

:

Do they?

556

:

Xhafer: Not here.

557

:

Laura: Okay.

558

:

I imagine since you've mentioned Razor is

a prequel type thing that has to do with

559

:

what happened to Pegasus before this?

560

:

I would think it would come

up there, I would hope.

561

:

Xhafer: A whole bunch of stuff

comes up there that is important

562

:

from these three episodes.

563

:

Laura: Yeah, I would imagine so.

564

:

Okay.

565

:

Xhafer: it's kind of in a weird place.

566

:

Razor.

567

:

I mean, it's designed to have stuff that

like feeds in a little bit to season four.

568

:

but it takes place exclusively in the past

from where we are in the show right now.

569

:

Laura: Yeah.

570

:

Xhafer: But it's also, they just had

the time and the budget so they just

571

:

said, fuck it and did it.

572

:

Laura: Well, I'm, I'm interested.

573

:

I'm already anticipating it's

going to be incredibly dark.

574

:

Xhafer: you don't even know.

575

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

576

:

Somewhere in between here.

577

:

We also had Hilo and 2-year-old

just like wondering what's up,

578

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

579

:

Laura: why aren't we dead yet?

580

:

We were told we're being executed.

581

:

And then they get told, Hey.

582

:

We are postponing your execution till

after this military event that's going on.

583

:

Xhafer: the big thing,

there's gonna be a parade.

584

:

yeah, so they're waiting.

585

:

Uh,

586

:

Laura: Yeah.

587

:

Lee goes to visit

588

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

589

:

On Kara and a surprise to

find her carrying on given

590

:

all of this man empathized.

591

:

Laura: Yeah.

592

:

Yeah.

593

:

Um, he's like given her the, the rundown

on Hilo and Terl and she's like, I

594

:

need help figuring out the schedule.

595

:

Xhafer: Yep.

596

:

Yeah.

597

:

Uh, listener for a little bit of context.

598

:

We recorded Black Hawk down last week,

599

:

Uh,

600

:

when we had mentioned that, uh,

there's some stuff going on with Iran,

601

:

but nothing had really happened yet.

602

:

Well, shit happened for us

as of recording last night.

603

:

Not a whole lot has gone on since.

604

:

So that's where we're at for when

this comes out in a couple of weeks.

605

:

Laura: Hmm.

606

:

Xhafer: Yep.

607

:

Laura: Yeah, and I'm sure it'll be

different by the time this comes

608

:

out too, so that'll be even more

609

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

610

:

Ho Hopefully it's better in a good way.

611

:

I, I don't know how that's

possible right now, but

612

:

Laura: right?

613

:

Xhafer: I'll, I'll hope,

614

:

Laura: Lee is surprised that she's

just carrying on and she's like, well,

615

:

what the fuck else am I supposed to do?

616

:

Like there's nothing that we can

do about this, which is such a like

617

:

flip-flop of their two attitudes, right?

618

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

619

:

Laura: I feel like beginning of the

show, Starbuck would be railing at

620

:

this moment and Lee would be reminding

her, Hey, we have a job to do.

621

:

And somewhere along the line they flipped.

622

:

Xhafer: Yeah, it's uh, it's an interesting

little like, 'cause she's got the

623

:

captain now, he's the lieutenant.

624

:

So they've, they've, they've

flopped ranks, they've flopped

625

:

jobs, and in a lot of ways

they've flopped personalities.

626

:

Laura: Yeah,

627

:

it is very strange.

628

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

629

:

Laura: Is it just because she had Auntie

Kain, like stroking her ego a little bit?

630

:

I don't

631

:

Xhafer: Um, I'm, I mean,

I'm sure that's a factor.

632

:

There's enough stuff going on.

633

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

634

:

Xhafer: Balter brings Gina a

fresh summer fit so that she

635

:

can stop wearing a potato sack.

636

:

Balter wants to help,

but she only seeks death.

637

:

And when he's like, well, that's

not really a thing for you.

638

:

She

639

:

tells us the reason for the eponymous

episode, and this is where we learned

640

:

that that weird ship is resurrection ship.

641

:

Laura: Yeah.

642

:

This is where we upload back to when

we die and we get our new bodies.

643

:

Xhafer: Yep.

644

:

Laura: So he also asked her if she knew

she was a silo plant when she was in

645

:

there because you know, boomer didn't

know that she was a silent plant.

646

:

And she says, yeah, I knew who and what

I was, and I thought that when they

647

:

caught me, they would just kill me.

648

:

And I would be uploaded into a new body

and everything would be fine, but instead

649

:

they kept me alive and did all this

shit to me and now I just want to die.

650

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

651

:

Laura: but if you don't destroy that ship,

I'm just gonna upload into a new body.

652

:

Having experienced all the things I've

experienced, knowing all the things

653

:

that I know and I don't want to.

654

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

655

:

Kaby and Baltar discuss and are even more

intent on targeting that big old ship now.

656

:

Laura: Yeah.

657

:

They think that maybe the silence will

stop chasing us if they don't have the

658

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

659

:

Laura: it would be too much work.

660

:

But gais, oof.

661

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

662

:

Laura: He's, this isn't gonna

make the six in his head.

663

:

Very happy.

664

:

Xhafer: Just wait.

665

:

Bill goes to see Laura and shares what

Saul and Callie had heard about Kain.

666

:

She reaffirms that Kain is dangerous

to his life and must be stopped

667

:

now almost every other time.

668

:

She's talked about the danger before

669

:

it has been.

670

:

The fleet is in danger.

671

:

The crew is in danger.

672

:

The flotilla is in danger this

time, it is very poignantly.

673

:

Bill, you are in danger.

674

:

She is going to try and kill you,

675

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

676

:

Xhafer: which is a notable

turn of language for Laura,

677

:

nor someone who's normally very

particular about what she says.

678

:

Laura: Yeah.

679

:

Yeah.

680

:

She's focused on the

needs of the many, but.

681

:

Now she's focused on

the needs of the bill.

682

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

683

:

Laura: Oh, and throughout this, like

Rosalyn is in her bathrobe in the

684

:

scene, like she is extremely unwell.

685

:

Xhafer: yeah.

686

:

Laura: And Adama asks if he

can get her anything 'cause

687

:

he's being very sweet to mom.

688

:

Rosalyn

689

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

690

:

Laura: And she says, A new body

from the resurrection ship.

691

:

And that just like made me

sure that Rosalyn is a silent.

692

:

Xhafer: Yeah, just, you know, one

of those, uh, ti super tiny blunts,

693

:

please, you know, make me one of those.

694

:

Laura: Yeah, no, I was like, Aw, she's

probably a silent, I just think she is.

695

:

and I don't know.

696

:

'cause I, she supposedly got

like weeks to days left at

697

:

Xhafer: It's not good.

698

:

Yeah.

699

:

Laura: and we're not gonna lose her.

700

:

I think.

701

:

I think this is gonna resolve somehow.

702

:

So this feels very silent.

703

:

Tyre and Hilo were just like

talking about their girlfriend in

704

:

the cell while they're hanging out.

705

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they talk about

their past and their future.

706

:

You

707

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

708

:

Xhafer: chief is all like,

I thought I was over.

709

:

I was not over.

710

:

I need to be over this and.

711

:

He all like, man, I

question shit all the time.

712

:

I am in love with the fucking robot.

713

:

So,

714

:

yeah, that's, it's a weird place, dude.

715

:

Laura: Yeah.

716

:

And he was like, I know I can't let

go, but you should definitely let

717

:

go if you can, because this sucks.

718

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

719

:

Laura: Uh.

720

:

Xhafer: both spend time at their

desks figuring out how they are

721

:

going to handle after the attack.

722

:

Star bes takes everyone over their plan.

723

:

We're gonna use this diversion tactic.

724

:

We're gonna make it look like

we're mining, but that's, you

725

:

know, false flag operation.

726

:

They're gonna fall for it.

727

:

We're gonna drag 'em off this

way, you know, we're gonna make

728

:

'em think they're ship's injured.

729

:

And then surprise, boom, battle

stars blowing up your shit.

730

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

731

:

I, and I mean, star

Be's is a good planner.

732

:

She's had some crazy shit that

worked, so I, I trust her with this.

733

:

Uh, she does say we're gonna

need all the Viper squadrons.

734

:

There is nobody who can sit in reserve.

735

:

Xhafer: Yep.

736

:

Laura: This is the time.

737

:

Xhafer: Everyone's flying on this one.

738

:

Laura: And Adama at the end of this says

he has some more questions for the cag.

739

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

740

:

Let's talk about it a little bit more.

741

:

Laura: Yeah.

742

:

Auntie Kane split everyone up for

a reason, though she's not super

743

:

keen on Adama talking to Stary, but

she's going to allow them one hour.

744

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

745

:

Laura: And he tells, uh, Adama tells

Lee to stay focused as he leaves.

746

:

Xhafer: We cut back and forth here as Kain

and Adama both put their plots in place.

747

:

Kain is embedding marines

on Galactica razors.

748

:

She calls 'em while Ja or

Exo will be stationed there.

749

:

He's to kill Adama on her

command execute case orange.

750

:

Laura: Yeah,

751

:

Xhafer: Three words you would

not say randomly together.

752

:

So.

753

:

Laura: yeah.

754

:

So Auntie Kane and Papa dama are

planning to boomer each other.

755

:

Xhafer: Yeah, Adama's like star bees.

756

:

You're gonna hear me say downfall and

you're gonna fucking shoot her in the head

757

:

Laura: Yeah.

758

:

Xhafer: and that's how we go to

credits, which is just crazy.

759

:

Laura: Yeah, and I turned to immediately

Aaron and I said, they're gonna boomer

760

:

each other, and he was like, oh,

761

:

I guess they are.

762

:

Xhafer: they are.

763

:

Yeah, a hundred percent.

764

:

That's the plan.

765

:

Walk into

766

:

CIC and shoot the commander.

767

:

Yep.

768

:

Laura: it's a real boomer.

769

:

Xhafer: I mean, it worked

well the first time, so

770

:

no reason to not go back to that.

771

:

Well,

772

:

Laura: Yeah.

773

:

Yeah.

774

:

I was like, huh, well that

makes it like extra interesting

775

:

how this is gonna turn out.

776

:

Then like I, I was like, all

this has happened before and

777

:

all this will happen again.

778

:

Huh.

779

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

780

:

Yeah.

781

:

You get it.

782

:

You get it.

783

:

Next episode starts with one of those two.

784

:

Laura: I got it.

785

:

Ronnie d I'm with you.

786

:

I'm there.

787

:

Xhafer: All right.

788

:

That is the episode.

789

:

Laura: Yes.

790

:

Xhafer: was like.

791

:

It was not as dense as normal.

792

:

It's very clear that this is a two-parter.

793

:

It needed to be a two-parter,

794

:

I think.

795

:

I think this episode could have

been maybe five minutes shorter.

796

:

I don't think it'd be made better for

it, but it it definitely could have been.

797

:

Um,

798

:

Laura: Yeah.

799

:

Yeah.

800

:

But we have like the fun scenes

of Adama and Kane ruminating

801

:

separately in their other quarters.

802

:

And Adama has like his little

ships, you know, and Kane has

803

:

like her antique weaponry,

804

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

805

:

Laura: juxtaposing their positions.

806

:

And I don't know, I just, I, I liked it.

807

:

I did feel even more stress in a way

at the end, because I was thinking

808

:

about how these two folks are

setting up to boomer each other and.

809

:

It wouldn't surprise me if

Kane went through with it.

810

:

I would feel bad if Adama

went through with it.

811

:

Because like literally that's

exactly what happened to you guy.

812

:

Like,

813

:

and then you going and

inflicting that upon someone

814

:

else would not feel good, right?

815

:

Like,

816

:

hmm.

817

:

So somehow I was more stressed at the

end of this episode wanting Adama not

818

:

to like lower himself in that way.

819

:

'cause Daddy Adama makes mistakes

and he's allowed to be a human, but

820

:

like that would be a pretty big one.

821

:

Xhafer: Yes, it would.

822

:

Laura: Yeah.

823

:

Xhafer: Well,

824

:

that's

825

:

Laura: very suspenseful.

826

:

Xhafer: We're to be continued.

827

:

Before we start talking about the

next episode, we gotta rate this one

828

:

on a scale of one to 12 colonies.

829

:

Where you at?

830

:

Laura: Oh gosh.

831

:

I feel like I give everything a 10.

832

:

This is like grade inflated.

833

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

834

:

Laura: Viewing.

835

:

I'm a very generous first

time viewer, I think.

836

:

Xhafer: I mean, you're,

you're enraptured right now.

837

:

That's the show does that,

838

:

that's why it's one of the

greatest shows of all time

839

:

on almost any list.

840

:

So.

841

:

Laura: I really wondered this last

episode that I watched, why, like,

842

:

it never hit my radar before this.

843

:

Like, I mean, Aaron had watched

it and we talked about it and he.

844

:

Encouraged me that it was a good

show, but like none of my other sci-fi

845

:

friends really like pushed it at me.

846

:

And maybe part of it's the darkness of it.

847

:

Like it's not one that I can see

myself or or many people just

848

:

watching over and over and over again.

849

:

Like you could put Star Trek on a loop and

you could watch a Star Trek every day and

850

:

feel fine and happy, and maybe even like.

851

:

Encouraged and better about yourself.

852

:

I don't think you could

just watch a battle.

853

:

Most people cannot just watch a

Battlestar Galactica every day

854

:

and feel great and happy and fine.

855

:

Xhafer: No.

856

:

No, I don't think they can.

857

:

Nor should they.

858

:

Laura: Yeah.

859

:

Like the ones that, I mean, if

you're out there and that's you, I'm,

860

:

you're strong, but I'm not there.

861

:

Like,

862

:

Xhafer: I mean,

863

:

it's, it's a lot of show.

864

:

There's a lot

865

:

Laura: it's good.

866

:

And I, I gotta give this a 10 like I am.

867

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I'm pretty impressed with it.

868

:

I am appropriately suspended.

869

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Xhafer: Yeah.

870

:

Laura: And I didn't even think about

the thing they glossed over the thing

871

:

that like, we should have seen more

than just six in that damn ship.

872

:

Like, until you said it, I was

like, oh, that seems legit, you

873

:

Xhafer: Where the fuck

are the other silos?

874

:

How can we see one?

875

:

No, and none of the other ones,

it does not make any sense.

876

:

Laura: You know what, it would be

cool if like, and I understand why

877

:

they can't do this, but if, if like

the cylon bodies were just like blank

878

:

and then like once the CY personality

uploaded, then they started growing

879

:

their hair or whatever, you know?

880

:

Xhafer: Yeah, not

881

:

on, not in the 2000 fives budget.

882

:

Laura: yeah, that's for the reboot.

883

:

Xhafer: Um, quite

884

:

possibly.

885

:

Yeah,

886

:

Laura: the, rebooted reboot.

887

:

Xhafer: I do.

888

:

I would a hundred percent expect

that actually that'd be a thing

889

:

that you do very easily these days.

890

:

Laura: Yeah.

891

:

Xhafer: Um, I really like this episode.

892

:

I think this is one of the

stronger ones of season.

893

:

One of a lot of my problems with season

one was that everything moved too fast

894

:

and it did not have the breathing room

to tell the story that it needed to tell.

895

:

That is not what happens here.

896

:

We get the breathing room to tell

the story that we want to tell,

897

:

and I'm here for it and I love it.

898

:

11 out of 12,

899

:

Laura: Yeah.

900

:

I mean when you think about it,

Pegasus to end of Resurrection Ship

901

:

part two, how many days even is that

902

:

Xhafer: so it, the start, Pegasus

903

:

Laura: Uhhuh?

904

:

Xhafer: is probably a day and a half.

905

:

Laura: Okay.

906

:

Xhafer: Um, you know, we from the uh,

thorn getting killed to Lee showing up

907

:

and talking to Teel and Hilo about a

third of the way through this episode.

908

:

So like the last third of Pegasus through,

the first third of this is under two hours

909

:

Laura: Wow.

910

:

Xhafer: because, 'cause their

trial was immediate and they said

911

:

they were going to be executed in

an hour, and then they're like,

912

:

yeah, it's been has, it's been almost two.

913

:

Right.

914

:

Laura: We're not dead yet.

915

:

This is weird.

916

:

Xhafer: the phone call basically to

now has been maybe an hour and a half.

917

:

So

918

:

yeah.

919

:

that said, um, the next episode

does jump back 48 hours to

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:

start where this one ends.

921

:

Laura: That's true.

922

:

Xhafer: So the next one

takes place over two days,

923

:

like three days, probably

three and a half.

924

:

But we'll talk about that next

week when we're talking about.

925

:

Battlestar Galactica, season two,

episode 12, resurrection Ship Part D.

926

:

The struggle between Aam and Cain is

temporarily put on hold while the two

927

:

battle stars combine forces for an

assault on the silent resurrection ship.

928

:

Apollo faces a momentous decision,

and Baltar takes an interest

929

:

in Gina, the silent prisoner

930

:

Laura: You already took

an interest in Gina.

931

:

That's,

932

:

Xhafer: Lee, not the one who

faces a monumentous decision, but

933

:

that's the episode description.

934

:

Laura: I don't know.

935

:

I could argue that, but go ahead.

936

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

937

:

Well, we'll, we'll argue it next week.

938

:

But until we get there, we

should probably say thank you.

939

:

Start with, uh, Jeremy.

940

:

Jeremy Siegel, are you the

Jeremy Siegel 42 from Jeremy

941

:

Siegel, 40 two.bandcamp.com.

942

:

I believe you are.

943

:

Thank you so much for our theme music.

944

:

We appreciate the hell out of it.

945

:

You can find more Jeremy's work on

streaming services as nuclear jaguar.

946

:

Laura: Hey, did you know.

947

:

Dropped today.

948

:

New nuclear jaguar.

949

:

Xhafer: I did not, actually,

950

:

I did.

951

:

I missed that.

952

:

Laura: Yeah.

953

:

Three hours ago.

954

:

So I don't blame you.

955

:

You were

956

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

957

:

I was taking notes or I was

at the work pride thing.

958

:

Yeah.

959

:

Okay.

960

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

961

:

Three hours ago.

962

:

Go, go get it.

963

:

Xhafer: Let's go.

964

:

Laura: and thanks to angry

duck time machine on Instagram

965

:

for our podcast artwork.

966

:

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much

for editing this podcast.

967

:

We appreciate the hell out of you

making us funnier, making us listenable,

968

:

and making sure we release on time.

969

:

Best in the biz.

970

:

Thanks so much.

971

:

Laura: And always cutting out the

section that we say needs cut out.

972

:

Xhafer: I wouldn't know.

973

:

Laura: Yeah.

974

:

And hey, if you enjoyed Resurrection

Ship and you wanna talk about it,

975

:

please get in our Discord, or you

can always review the podcast.

976

:

That wouldn't hurt either.

977

:

Five star reviews only.

978

:

Please

979

:

one star reviews.

980

:

Keep it to yourself.

981

:

Xhafer: channeling that Vic Energy.

982

:

Alright, well we'll see you next week.

983

:

Internet.

984

:

Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.