BSG S2E12 - More Sweaties than a Magic Tournament
Laura and Xhafer pitch a BSG Home Alone episode. Laura reminds everyone that you can't fix them. Xhafer reveals the promotion to admiral is sealed with a kiss. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 12: Resurrection Ship, Part 2.
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Transcript
Hey, listener this one gets pretty heavy.
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:There's a fair amount of talk
about suicide in this episode, or
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:at the very least, expressing a
desire to no longer be living, um,
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:that's heavy and a difficult thing.
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:And if that's gonna be difficult for
you to listen to in this episode,
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:just go ahead and skip this one.
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:We'll see you next week.
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:That said.
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:Depending on where you're at in the world,
if you're having thoughts like people
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:don't love you or that the world would be
a better place without you, you're wrong.
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:Somebody out there does, somebody
cares about you, I promise.
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:And the world is a better place with you.
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:You should call 9, 8, 8 or whatever
your regional suicide hotline is.
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:Laura: Hello and welcome to Who Are You.
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:We're a reasonably well done sci-fi
watch cast by a couple of former
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:strangers who are now friends and
watching:
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:I'm Laura.
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:Xhafer: and I'm a thirsty boy.
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:I hope my giant lugging
didn't come across.
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:I'm jair,
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:Laura: I'm sure if your giant
gluing made it through the
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:microphone that Aaron cut it out.
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:Xhafer: that's why he's
the best in the biz.
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:Laura: He is a pro.
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:Xhafer: Just getting that pre-recording
giant glug on before I talk for an hour.
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:You know how
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:she
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:Laura: gotta gotta lube up.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:So we're here, we're talking about.
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:Season two episode 12,
resurrection Ship part two.
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:It's a two-parter, and in this streaming
era, we watched 'em back to back.
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:So this
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:conversation is picking up
maybe 10 minutes after the
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:last episode ended for us.
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:For you listener.
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:It's been a week because to be honest,
we can't produce content like that.
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:Laura: How was your week though?
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:I hope it was good listener.
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:Xhafer: I hope you had a great week.
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:Uh, I hope the world had a great
week and that things at the very
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:least didn't change for the negative.
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:Fuck,
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:Laura: my, my general
hope for the next forever.
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:Xhafer: three years, five
months, and a couple of weeks.
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:No reason.
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:Laura: If I thought that the last time
on for the last episode was long, this
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:was a very, very long last time on
into the part two of Resurrection Ship.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:We get
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:a lot
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:Laura: There's a lot to cover again.
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:We got the long spider ship.
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:If you've forgotten from last
week and boomer part two, we're
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:trying to boomer each other too.
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:Boomer too fast or whatever.
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:Xhafer: to boomer, to shooter.
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:I don't know.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:It it's fine.
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:Yeah, but we're gonna open this episode
in a very peaceful Christ pose, and
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:I thought it was gaas again, because
we're always in gaia's mind, right?
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:Xhafer: I also thought it was Gais for a
moment and it wasn't until the head gets
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:lifted and we see that more of the hair.
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:Laura: uh
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:Xhafer: I mean they're like one,
they're actually really close friends.
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:Before this, they knew
each other like, 'cause
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:they're both British dudes.
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:Who came up around the same acting to the
timeframe and they're around the same age.
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:Laura: Lee's actor is a British dude.
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:Didn't know that.
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:Okay.
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:Xhafer: Um, and they look kind of
similar especially when you can't
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:see their eyes or their hair.
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:Laura: Well, yeah, he put
some like big sunglasses
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:Xhafer: He's got, he's got sunglasses that
are covering like a full half of his face,
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:so I don't feel bad about it,
but it's Lee, he's doing the
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:floaty thing in the water.
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:It's very serene.
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:I do this
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:a lot when I'm in water.
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:Laura: Uhhuh.
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:You do, you do a nice little Christ pose.
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:Xhafer: Well, I'm just floating.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:In the water.
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:It's fun.
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:Right, right.
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:So let's see.
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:We've had some notable Adama Christing.
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:We've had notable Gaia Christing,
and now we're Lee Christing.
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:Very, very
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:Xhafer: father, the son,
and the big asshole.
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:Right.
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:That's how that goes.
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:Laura: Nailed it.
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:You nailed church affair.
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:Xhafer: Got it in won.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Well, if you know, I don't know if you
ever heard this, 'cause you're not from
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:like small Oklahoma town, but uh, like
at school dances, if you were too close
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:Xhafer: you gotta leave room for
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:Laura: they.
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:Gotta leave room for the Holy Spirit.
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:So if he's like in between
two people dancing, he must
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:be a giant asshole, right?
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
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:But like the sun gets really bright
in this peaceful, serene lake, and it
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:turns out it's actually a silent Raider.
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:Xhafer: It is.
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:It is a
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:ship.
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:Yeah.
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:Laura: And Lee is not floating in a lake.
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:He is floating in a spacesuit
in the middle of the battle
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:Xhafer: Does this feel familiar to you?
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:Laura: in media shit show.
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:Xhafer: Well, this exact
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:thing was Kara, in season one,
episode four, they used this
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:exact same thing where she's floating
in space, watching a battle After
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:her, uh, ship got blown up, I.
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:Laura: Oh.
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:I had kind of forgotten about that.
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:Xhafer: Yep.
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:Laura: It's been long enough.
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:I'll say they really have flip
flopped then, haven't they?
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:Xhafer: a hundred percent.
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:Laura: All of this has
happened before and will happen
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Laura: And then we get the 48 hours
earlier, so we're, we're told that,
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:hey, we're mixing up the storytelling
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:Xhafer: Yeah, we're going back.
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:Uh, we have Karen Lee discussing
Papa's orders to kill Kane.
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:He agrees to help Kara, even though
he's just like, the fuck is this?
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:I.
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:Laura: Yeah, he's not happy about it,
but he is like, if we can't trust each
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:other, if you can't trust me to help you.
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:'cause she, she's like, I know you don't
wanna do this, you don't have to do this.
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:And he is like, but if you can't
trust me, then what do we even have?
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:Like without trust, we are no
different from the silence.
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:Xhafer: Which is an
absurd statement to make.
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:Like there's a bunch of other stuff
that separates you like dying or.
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:Reproduce, like there's all kinds of shit
that makes you different than the cys.
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:This is not the thing.
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:Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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:Uh, I was gonna say, I feel
like the silences have a lot
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:of trust between one another.
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:Like
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:they might not trust humans, but
they certainly trust one another.
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:I.
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:Okay, Lee and I just realized
as you were talking, I think I
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:figured out the cylon problem.
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:Xhafer: Hmm.
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:Laura: So when we were building
the Cylons, we had the slider and
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:we took the slider too far over
on the being able to upload and
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:resurrect oneself into another body.
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:And we didn't put enough on the
slider for reproduction, and
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:that's why they can't reproduce.
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:Xhafer: Okay.
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:Yeah,
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:yeah.
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:yeah.
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:Just fucked up the sliders a little bit.
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:It'll happen.
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:You gotta tune that shit.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Yep.
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:Xhafer: Some fucking assholes
go to Hilo and Terro.
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:They put guns of guns up their
heads so that they can tie them up.
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:And then we cut to theme.
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:Laura: Very important.
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:I think that.
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:They're just like hassling each
other, hassling Te Tyrell and
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:Hilo through the the glass.
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:And then Tyrell is the one who's like,
oh yeah, come say that to my face.
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:And they were just waiting for that.
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:Like they go straight in and
Tyre thinks that he's gonna
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:get like a fair fight, I guess.
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:Xhafer: Right.
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:Yeah.
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:These guys with guns
aren't gonna get involved.
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:Right?
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:The two
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:These guys who like willingly
partook in rape, torture.
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:As the aggressors, are gonna
give you a fair fist fight.
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:Okay.
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:And immediately they're just like
cuffing them to stuff and gonna
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:give them the old thorn treatment.
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:Xhafer: Yep.
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:Survivor count 4 9 6 0 4.
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:Unchanged.
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:Laura: Right.
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:It's only been like a day
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:Xhafer: Well,
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:Laura: max.
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:Xhafer: Back from theme and they are
getting beat up with soap and towels.
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:I had always heard oranges
and socks, but hey.
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:Laura: Huh, I hadn't
heard either of those.
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:And orange seems like it
could be too, too soft, right?
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:Xhafer: Well, the point
is to not leave bruises.
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:I don't think they're concerned
about that right now though.
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:Laura: Oh yeah.
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:No, I don't think they care.
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:They, as far as they care,
these are two dead men anyway.
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:who's gonna care about bruises
on their body after we shoot
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:them in the firing squad, right.
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:Teel calls them cowards and so
they start beating him harder.
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:But Fisk catches them and orders them out.
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:Xhafer: Yep.
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:They
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:thank him.
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:He does not want the thanks and
reaffirms that this bizarre and frankly
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:ugly opinion that silences aren't
alive, so they cannot be assaulted.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:He was doing so well,
like breaking this up.
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:He, he doesn't like punish the
guys, but he gets them outta there
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:Xhafer: They are assaulting an officer,
which is what these guys are in jail for.
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:So,
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:Laura: he should have
maybe done a little more.
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:Right.
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:But he's doing more than anybody
else on Pegasus would, it seems like.
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:And he even gives the
guards like a stiff look.
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Laura: That made me laugh.
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:And I don't know at this moment, I was
like, yeah, Fisk is not great, but I
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:don't know that he's gonna do this.
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:Like if he's ordered.
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:To do the Boomer, is he
actually gonna do it?
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:Xhafer: His allegiance is
a bit of a question mark
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:because he clearly is terrified of Kane.
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:for
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:Xhafer: And if he had an
opportunity to get away from
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:that, it would be through Adama.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Yep.
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:And, and he's buddying with Saul.
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:Like he and Saul kind
of feel for each other.
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:Like they both know, like, this sucks
and we're in maybe one of the hardest
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:positions out of the entire crew, and
they're like doing some bonding over that.
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:So maybe, maybe Fisk can be turned around.
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:Maybe he's not all rotten in the core.
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Uh, what follows is Kane and Kara
having a drink while discussing
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:a little bit of everything.
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:Laura: Yeah, we can't, uh, let it slide.
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:That specs talks about drinking to
excess and ca has to let her know.
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:I know about Colonel Tai,
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:Xhafer: yeah, yeah.
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:Laura: know about his
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:Xhafer: You clocked him.
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:Good for you.
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:Fuck that guy.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: that guy.
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:Um, this show is so, so fucking
good because Kane is like.
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:You know, there will come a time when
you'll have to make a decision that
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:will save other people from dying.
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:And in that moment when it
comes, you cannot hesitate.
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:You have to do the thing you know needs
to be done no matter how difficult it is.
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:And Cain is basically convincing
Kara to go through with killing Kane.
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:They don't say it.
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:Right, but that's what's on her
mind and that's the thing that
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:she's struggling with right now.
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:And that's, Kane sees
that she's struggling.
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:She recognizes that in her,
she's struggling with something
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:and she needs her to execute,
you know, on the mission.
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:But also, I'm pretty
sure Kane knows, we'll
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:talk about it more later.
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:Laura: Uhhuh.
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:Okay.
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:Xhafer: Um, because this is not
the, the moment that tells me
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:that Kane knows, but I think.
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:I think.
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:she understands.
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:Laura: Yeah, no, and she, the way
she phrases this, she talks about,
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:committing horrible sins and she's doing
it to try to keep from putting more of
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:her children in body bags, basically.
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:I.
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:Struggle a little bit with that
characterization like that,
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:I don't know, horrible sins
was some strong, strong words,
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:Xhafer: I mean, nobody
thinks they're evil,
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:right.
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:You know, if you do evil shit, you're
doing it because you've convinced
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:yourself it's the right thing to do,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: not because you think
it's evil, and you are a villain
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:in a poorly written movie.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: how brains work, that's
not how empathy, how humans work.
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:Um, so there's a bit
of that here for sure.
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:You know, she has done
some undeniably evil shit.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: She's, she's ordered for
some terrible, terrible things
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:to happen and she knows that.
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:She has done it for the greater good
of saving humanity because in her
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:mind, the only path forward is for
them to defeat the silence so that they
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:can be free to have a species again.
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:Laura: Right, right.
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:Xhafer: So
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:she does, she doesn't waver on that.
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:Laura: mm-hmm.
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:I struggle
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:with.
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:Yeah, I struggle with that.
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:Like, oh, I am mindlessly fixed on.
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:We need to destroy silence so
we can have a species again.
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:When we know that Cain left civilians
defenseless, like crippled and
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:defenseless, like, how are you gonna
start this human race over with a
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:thousand people on your ship, Ms.
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:Kane?
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:Like genetics don't
work, doesn't work out.
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:It like if, if you didn't save
those civilians, then what
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:are you, what are you doing?
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:Xhafer: Yeah, she skipped, uh, her
like genetics and populations classes
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:at the, uh, colonial Military Academy,
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: like when
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:Laura: And she doesn't have a
guy on board to like do the math.
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:Xhafer: Like what's like the genetic
diversity required to ensure that
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:the civilization doesn't inbred
itself in a number of generations?
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:You know, that's a question she's
never bothered to ask herself.
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:Laura: Right, right.
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:I mean, we were concerned
about the 45,000.
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:Right.
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:So a thousand, I don't
think it's gonna cut it.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:This show is
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:So
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:fucking good.
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:This scene with Kane and Kara
is probably one of my absolute
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:favorites in the entire show.
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:Laura: It got me real worried.
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:I'm worried for star bes.
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:Xhafer: I mean, it's, it's doing
its job as a scene for sure.
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:Um, just like the layers of
conversation and stuff, it's ugh, a
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Leave volunteers for a
courier run to go talk to Papa
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:Dama about what he's asked of.
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:Kara, he learns that Rosalyn is
in on this plan too, and this
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:clearly changes things for him.
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:Laura: Yeah, it bothers him
that this is Mommy's idea.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Mommy's supposed to be the, the
righteous, innocent kind of like,
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:let's, we'll, everything will be fine.
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:One not.
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:Laura: We can all work together.
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:Let's have a few rounds of
Kumbaya, like hold hands.
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:We're gonna get through this.
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:And mommy is ordering
assassinations in the military.
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Laura: So yeah, they are
gonna have a little moment.
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:And then Lee is gonna go
have a private freak out.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, we get a montage
of mission prep after this.
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:The colonel and captain.
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:Pass each other in the hallway,
each witching each other.
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:Good hunting before they go
on their respective missions
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:followed by assassinations.
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:Laura: Uh,
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:I, I was like, star bes has
to know this too, right?
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:Xhafer: Yeah, he's rolling out
with a ton of Marines like, hmm.
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:Laura: Yeah, and the fact that
she wishes him good hunting when
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:like he's not actually going
to do anything theoretically.
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:I mean, I guess the idea is
that the Marines are there
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:in case they get boarded,
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:that Galactica gets boarded,
they've sent extra Marines.
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:That's probably the excuse,
but I mean, come on.
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:Xhafer: Fisk, Informs Ty of his
presence on the ship and that the
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:Marines will be there while Adama
looks at his giant chest scar.
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:Laura: I was really worried as
I'm writing about this scene, he's
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:staring in the mirror at his scar.
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:I'm writing, so I'm not
watching, watching everything.
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:And then all of a sudden I hear
him tell the guards to leave them
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:alone and then boomer's there.
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:And I'm like, is he still like
half naked talking to Boomer and
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:saying, leave the guards outside.
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:'cause this is weird and I don't like it.
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:Xhafer: Look at this giant
chest scar I have from when one
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:of your, uh, siblings shot me.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I was freaked out, but it turns out he
actually had his clothes back on, so
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:it's cool, but, or, uh, Sharon is fine.
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:She brings up his speech from Galata
'cause decommissioning ceremony.
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:Does humanity deserve to survive,
is a question that they've never
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:bothered to ask themselves.
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:Laura: Wait, okay.
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:Maybe was that televised?
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:The decommissioning ceremony.
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:Okay.
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:I was like, wait, how
does she know about that?
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:Xhafer: Well, she was on Galactica.
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:Well, a Sharon was,
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:Laura: Yes.
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:Xhafer: boomer was in
attendance of that speech.
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:Laura: Right.
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:And I guess Boomer was probably
transmitting something at that time,
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:unknowingly transmitting some stuff.
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:But it still should be weird for
Adama to, if it hadn't been televised.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: To be like, how the
fuck do you know about that?
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:You know, like even
though we know Cylons have
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:weird stuff,
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:Xhafer: I mean, she remembers her
relationship with the chief and stuff.
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:There's things that this,
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:that, that Sharon knows about that
are definitely Boomer centric,
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:but it's not like everything.
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:It's kind of, they, they, they kind
of play it fast and loose with it
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:when it's convenient, you know?
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:So,
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:Laura: Well, and I think she, she
says she doesn't know much about
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:the relationship with the chief.
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:I don't know that that's true.
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:Xhafer: Yeah, I mean it's like,
it's weird like that, I guess.
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:I mean,
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:I have a very good memory, like
it's not a hundred percent all the
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:time, but I do have like a ton of
like very photographic memories.
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:In my brains it does.
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:It's not consistent, but I will remember
things like about meeting people sometimes
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:that I know if I were to tell them,
would freak them the fuck out.
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:Like what
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:I'll like, I'll walk into a
restaurant and be like, oh, we
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:had dinner here six months ago.
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:We sat at that table, we ordered this.
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:I was wearing this.
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:You were wearing this.
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:Like, I've got that
level of memory sometimes
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:and.
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:I can't say a lot of it out loud
when it hap when I, when it,
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:when I remember something like
that, I can't communicate it.
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:'cause people get fucking
freaked out naturally.
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:Right.
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:It's fucking weird,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: um, to remember
that stuff sometimes.
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:It's like, why would you even, and
it's just like, it's just my brain.
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:I gotta imagine it's like that for her.
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:Like if she were to say things that
she has those memories of, it would
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:be very jarring for other people.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Terl would probably be
pretty upset if she do.
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:If she expressed that she knew a
whole bunch of stuff I don't know
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:that that matters at this point.
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:It would almost be kinder to freak teel
out and make him not wanna be near you,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Laura: as we can discuss
at the end of this episode.
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
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:Laura: But yeah, maybe humanity
doesn't deserve to survive.
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:And then we're in battle already.
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:Xhafer: Oh yeah.
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:yeah.
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:We cut to mid mission.
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:We see one of the silent Bay stars
has taken a bunch of fire as both
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:the battle stars launch on it.
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:While Lee Mo moves in on the resurrection
ship, he takes out its FTL Drive as
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:the Blackbird gets hit by some debris.
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:Lee Auto ejects.
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:And then it starts to run away.
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:The Vipers launch Search and Rescue
Raptors going after Lee as he
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:finds a small leak in his suit.
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:And Galactica, CIC kind of
hears all about all this stuff.
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:As Marines enter with fis
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:all very quickly, a
bunch of stuff happens.
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:Laura: yeah, Adama is very calm as he
orders for the rescue, and this was one
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:of those moments as I'm watching it, you
know, we don't see like a whole tense
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:Lee going in and getting into the ship
and finding his target and all that.
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:Like we've just jumped.
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:Into battle.
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:He's already there.
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:He's already got Target.
475
:And so, you know, when you're making
that kind of a jump in the story that
476
:like something worse is gonna happen
because we're not ramping up tension
477
:with like the Death Star run or anything.
478
:Like, we're just there and
it was fine, and you're like,
479
:oh no, it's gonna get worse.
480
:So yeah, he's.
481
:Out in space.
482
:And at one point he looks at
the air gauge, I think, and can
483
:see that like he's, he's leaking
from that hole quite a lot.
484
:But I love the shots of
him watching the battle.
485
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
486
:Laura: Like that work that
they did is really good.
487
:Xhafer: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's so good.
488
:Over on Pegasus Geis is with
Gina, and while six PT is like,
489
:pick me, she can't help you.
490
:Like I can help you.
491
:And I'm just like, man, I.
492
:I find this completely unrelatable.
493
:Like I do not understand being
jealous of not ghost you as you exist
494
:in this person.
495
:Like it's so abstract at this point
that her jealousy is so alien to me
496
:that I just cannot understand it.
497
:Laura: It's weird.
498
:Well, to me, the whole fact
that like Gaas is with Gina
499
:right now is also weird to me.
500
:Like when you're going into this
battle, wouldn't you be like, sorry,
501
:GAAS, you need to go be somewhere else.
502
:You can't be with the silent
prisoner right now, like.
503
:The fact that nobody was thinking
like, we should probably just like
504
:secure her for now, and Gais needs
to go back to Galactica or go hang
505
:out with the president or whatever.
506
:Like while we're doing this big mission,
weird oversight to leave him in here.
507
:Um, but yeah, six PT.
508
:Jealous of herself.
509
:It seems like is this another argument for
actually like a defect in gaia's brain?
510
:Like not an actual six or six personality?
511
:I don't know.
512
:Like, but yeah, it, it, when he
makes this choice to take care
513
:of Gina six, PT disappears.
514
:She's
515
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
516
:Laura: Really unhappy and it's so
weird that he starts parroting back
517
:to Gina what six PT told him in the
last episode about missing sports.
518
:Xhafer: Yeah.
519
:He quotes six PTs thing about feeling
the waves of emotion from the stands
520
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
521
:Xhafer: ball game.
522
:Yeah.
523
:Laura: And I, and I always had two tickets
'cause I wanted you to come with me
524
:Xhafer: Yeah.
525
:Laura: or something.
526
:And six, six PT is like, how dare you?
527
:Xhafer: That's fair.
528
:Laura: Yeah.
529
:Yeah.
530
:But I, I don't understand, I,
531
:Xhafer: Yeah, it's fucking weird.
532
:Laura: understand why she, I
mean if, if Caprica six or.
533
:That that Caprica six, I don't
know if she actually blew up in
534
:the nuclear explosion or not.
535
:I'm just gonna call her Caprica six.
536
:But if that Caprica six had really
done that, had really like gone
537
:to the Pyramid Games, getting two
tickets, one and Gais to come with
538
:Xhafer: And never asked him.
539
:Yeah.
540
:Laura: wouldn't Gina know that like.
541
:Unless maybe not all the information
uploads or maybe that Capric six
542
:really did never make it back, and
she just jumped into Gaas instead.
543
:I don't know.
544
:Xhafer: I mean, the other
thing is that like, you know,
545
:I Gina's been through a lot,
546
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
547
:Xhafer: maybe her
memories are a bit jumbly.
548
:She hears this thing and it's
relatable to her, and she doesn't
549
:understand that it's her memory
that's being described back to her
550
:Laura: Yeah.
551
:Xhafer: trauma will do that.
552
:Laura: Yeah.
553
:Gais.
554
:I, I don't know.
555
:This doesn't seem good.
556
:Xhafer: No, it's not.
557
:It's
558
:not good and it's, it's
very bad and just you wait.
559
:I.
560
:You, you, you couldn't even guess
561
:where this storyline goes in.
562
:I don't know how many episodes
offhand, but I'm gonna just say five.
563
:Laura: I was like, man, I don't know.
564
:'cause he seems to be doing the
thing of like, I can fix her.
565
:Jaffer is making the face
and spoilers for life.
566
:Everyone, the I can fix
them never goes well.
567
:So.
568
:I don't think it's gonna go well for Mr.
569
:Gaas.
570
:Baltar either.
571
:Xhafer: Don't fix people.
572
:People
573
:fi one fix People hopefully
will fix themselves.
574
:You don't fix people.
575
:You can help someone grow,
but you're not fixing them.
576
:They're
577
:gonna, they, they will fix
themselves or they won't.
578
:Laura: Right?
579
:Yeah.
580
:Never ever think you can fix people.
581
:That's my life lesson for today.
582
:Xhafer: Yeah.
583
:Laura: Yeah, so Lee is floating still.
584
:Xhafer: Yeah.
585
:He's just missing all of Dee's calls.
586
:Laura: yeah.
587
:D Dee's calling and he can't answer.
588
:It seems like, whether he
can't answer because there
589
:is something physically wrong
590
:with him or because he is so mentally
short circuited at this moment.
591
:Unclear.
592
:He's back floating in the lake.
593
:He tries to say something
to Dee, but passes out.
594
:And then Aaron and I were arguing
about whether in the lake if he's
595
:sunburned, 'cause he's like very red
all of a sudden and the glasses are off.
596
:Or if the lake is like super
cold and he's turned red.
597
:But I am, I'm voting sunburn.
598
:Xhafer: Seems pretty bright.
599
:Laura: Yeah, there was that bright sun.
600
:That
601
:Xhafer: He spends almost
all of his time indoors, so
602
:Laura: Yeah.
603
:Pretty, pretty pale British man.
604
:Xhafer: One of the bay stars goes down is
the Vipers destroyed the resurrection ship
605
:race track finds Lee and saves him, and
the remaining silent ships all jump away.
606
:We did it guys.
607
:There's only
608
:15 minutes or 30 minutes of
episode left or whatever we're at.
609
:Laura: Yeah, yeah, no,
like a lot happened there.
610
:It was pretty fast.
611
:And Lee was like drowning in the
lake as the Raptor pulls up to him.
612
:So that was like a good
613
:visual.
614
:Um,
615
:and yeah, we did it.
616
:Pegasus hears that the resurrection
ship has been destroyed.
617
:And Gina knows too.
618
:We get the flash
619
:Xhafer: Yeah.
620
:She feels the, the, the cloud connection.
621
:Drop G Gina
622
:lost her wifi signal.
623
:Now the drama begins.
624
:Laura: Yeah, we have literal
ticking in the soundtrack.
625
:Tick, tick, tick.
626
:Xhafer: Uh, Starbucks slow marches
to CNC on Pegasus as Fisk and the
627
:Marines haunt CIC on Galactica.
628
:Laura: There is so much sweating.
629
:Fisk is sweating to commercial.
630
:Starbuck is sweating.
631
:Xhafer: There is, there's more sweaty
than a magic tournament in here.
632
:It's bad.
633
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
634
:Yeah.
635
:Gaas.
636
:Gaas is sweating.
637
:So like Gina is telling him,
yep, it's, I'm ready to die now.
638
:And Kaas is just.
639
:Sweating at her.
640
:Xhafer: Kain tells Starbuck that she's so
very proud of her and then calls Adama.
641
:They're talking for a minute.
642
:Adama talks to Starbuck and doesn't
give the code word, and then Kane
643
:follows suit.
644
:They both decide against assassination.
645
:Laura: I
646
:Xhafer: I am a hundred
percent convinced here.
647
:Laura: the Kane knew.
648
:Xhafer: Can do.
649
:Laura: Well, I wondered because
what Adama says to Starbuck is that
650
:it's not enough to just survive.
651
:We have to be worthy of that
652
:survival and then doesn't give
the code word and all that.
653
:And I was like, I wonder if Kane
could hear him, like if she could
654
:hear him on the phone or if there
was some sort of like she had some
655
:sort of bug device or something.
656
:And that convinced her
also not to make the call.
657
:I don't know, or I guess she might have
been prepared in some way that she knew
658
:if Starbuck was gonna try to shoot her.
659
:She had a plan and then she
would have Fisk take Alma out.
660
:I don't know.
661
:Xhafer: Yeah.
662
:I don't know.
663
:I think she knows.
664
:I think she wants to die.
665
:I think she knows she's a problem.
666
:I
667
:think she knows that her time is
668
:done.
669
:I think she knows that her
way of doing things isn't
670
:going to work with this fleet.
671
:Laura: Yeah, like once she saw all those
civilians and there's a president, even
672
:if she was a school teacher or whatever,
everyone says derogatorily about her.
673
:Like, how many ships did
we say were in the fleet?
674
:Xhafer: There's 30 or something.
675
:There's, there's a bunch
676
:40, maybe 50 I think.
677
:Okay.
678
:So like how many episodes ago
when the, this fleet split?
679
:They said like 20 ships went
and they think, they said
680
:it was a third of the fleet.
681
:So there's like
682
:60 ships in the Flotilla.
683
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
684
:Yeah, and they, they've like made a
honest to God attempt at government,
685
:like not only do we have the president,
we did a whole thing where we had
686
:a vice president and we had an
election, and we've got a quorum of 12.
687
:Like we're really trying to do the thing.
688
:And especially if those people find out
what she did to the other civilians,
689
:Xhafer: Oh yeah,
690
:Laura: it's not gonna work.
691
:Xhafer: for sure.
692
:Yeah, I think she knows, I
think she's expecting Starbuck
693
:to shoot her right here.
694
:Um, and that she had Jack in
place in case Starbuck fails
695
:Laura: Yeah.
696
:Xhafer: and Starbuck doesn't fail, so
she doesn't order the assassination.
697
:Laura: Yeah.
698
:Xhafer: there's like this
smirk that goes across her
699
:face when Starbucks says,
I think that's wise.
700
:Laura: and Fisk is like, so, I mean, I
don't know this actor's name 'cause I
701
:am absorbing them little by little and
he's not been around long enough, but
702
:his facial expressions are so good, like.
703
:So, so good.
704
:You can see the terror on his face the
whole time, and he, he's like horrified
705
:that she wants to talk to him and
she just says, Hey, good job buddy.
706
:Xhafer: Yeah,
707
:Laura: That's it.
708
:Xhafer: That's
709
:Laura: Bye.
710
:And the relief when he
gets just a good job.
711
:Bye.
712
:Ty tells him he could, he looks like he
could use a drink and he just has this
713
:like raucous laughter of like, and, and
it's not totally outta place because
714
:it's like one of those things when
you've had this big battle operation,
715
:like you might have this reaction at
the end when everything's over and you
716
:realize you're safe of, of laughter.
717
:Like that's a thing we've
seen in media before.
718
:But we, the audience know
like what it's really about.
719
:So Gais and Gina are
doing a ruse on the guard.
720
:They knock him out for his gun.
721
:Do you think they knocked him
out or do you think he's dead?
722
:Xhafer: Subtitles on said neck cracks.
723
:Gita goes over there and snaps it so.
724
:Laura: Okay.
725
:He's dead.
726
:And I, I kind of thought he must have
to be because of like Gaas being there.
727
:If he woke up and is like, how did
the silent escape, like Gaas is
728
:kind of gaas and his word against
each other would not be very smooth.
729
:Like Gaas is just Bumble fuck Gaas.
730
:And these things happen around him.
731
:Xhafer: Fuck guy.
732
:Laura: So everyone on Galactic
is gonna roll their eyes and
733
:be like, God, this guy again.
734
:You know?
735
:Um, but if the guard has things
to say, that would be a problem.
736
:Xhafer: Yeah,
737
:Laura: So he did.
738
:Okay.
739
:Xhafer: did.
740
:Laura: she's trying to get guys to shoot
741
:Xhafer: Yeah.
742
:But suicide is a sin.
743
:She doesn't wanna die with sin.
744
:So, uh, guy
745
:needs to kill her and he's just
like, fucking, no, you don't
746
:need death.
747
:You need justice.
748
:I know a place I can hide you.
749
:Here's the gun.
750
:Laura: Where do we think that place is?
751
:Xhafer: Yeah.
752
:Laura: It's not Galactica.
753
:I mean, I guess we're
gonna find out right?
754
:I'm getting in the
755
:Xhafer: Yeah, you get in the face,
I think you find out next episode.
756
:Um,
757
:it, it will not be a surprise
nor something that has
758
:never been mentioned before.
759
:Laura: Yeah, I was like, I
feel like it's Zurich, right?
760
:Zurich is the last
761
:Xhafer: it's not like guidance has
some surprise ship that he hangs
762
:out in sometimes when he is not on
Galactica that they just never bothered
763
:to build a set for or something
764
:like you'll hear and you go, oh yeah, of
765
:course.
766
:Um, so I won't say
767
:Laura: We are gonna put
her on, um, what was that?
768
:Cloud nine is the luxury liner.
769
:Xhafer: That's, yeah.
770
:Laura: Poster her up in
the hotel with Zurich.
771
:Xhafer: Uh,
772
:Laura: don't know,
773
:Xhafer: out next step.
774
:I think next step, if not
the episode after, it's fine.
775
:You'll find out soon.
776
:Laura: Yeah.
777
:It feels like, we can't leave
this hanging for too long.
778
:But yeah, he's gonna take her somewhere
and he's gonna look after her.
779
:He's gonna take care of
780
:her.
781
:And he's gonna fix her.
782
:Xhafer: But before then
she's gonna get that justice.
783
:Uh, we cut over to Kane's quarters where
Gina is waiting and she kills the admiral.
784
:Laura: Yeah.
785
:She throws her own words back at her
about, can you roll over, can you beg?
786
:Of course, Kane does not.
787
:And we just get quick bullet to the
788
:head, Right in the face.
789
:Xhafer: Lee's pretty fucked up here.
790
:He's laying in bed.
791
:He's still kind of out of it.
792
:And we cut over to Fisk conducting
Kane's military funeral.
793
:Laura: Yeah, it's, it's
nice enough, right?
794
:I got a little nervous when he
pledged to uphold her values.
795
:'cause some of those values,
man, I think we could, we might,
796
:could let some of them go.
797
:Xhafer: I mean, it's a lot of
posturing when you take over a
798
:ship in this means, I'm sure.
799
:Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
800
:And for some reason,
star Bes is gonna talk,
801
:Xhafer: Yeah.
802
:Laura: star Bes, who's known
her for Chex Watch three days.
803
:Xhafer: I mean, she even acknowledges
that like, Hey, I haven't known that long.
804
:Laura: Yeah, I was like, I don't know, you
probably should have passed on this one.
805
:But she's gotta let the audience know
that she's making her turn to dark star
806
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
807
:Laura: She's definitely getting dark.
808
:And the dark truth that she shares
with everyone is that we were
809
:safer with her than we are without,
810
:Xhafer: Yep.
811
:Eh.
812
:Laura: uh.
813
:I don't know if all those civilians were,
814
:Xhafer: Hey Aaron, quick question.
815
:Asking for a friend.
816
:The friend is you.
817
:How do you make two podcast hosts
going, eh, at the same time?
818
:The title of an episode?
819
:Laura: I, I think we've dropped
a couple of good ones throughout
820
:here.
821
:I was
822
:like,
823
:Xhafer: yeah, for sure.
824
:Laura: we are, we're doing good
today, especially for a back to back.
825
:Xhafer: Yeah.
826
:Laura: Okay.
827
:So Starbeck is gonna try to talk to Lee
828
:Xhafer: Yeah, he's pretty upset.
829
:He feels like he's let
Kara down by getting hit.
830
:Um, Dee is listening to
this all in the hallway.
831
:They cut to her a couple
of times very quickly.
832
:Laura: Why is D listening
to this in the hallway?
833
:Why D Hmm hmm.
834
:She's, I mean.
835
:Is it natural that because she's
like the communications officer, she
836
:also wants to know all the hot goss?
837
:Xhafer: I know everything that
gets communicated off of the ship.
838
:Dammit.
839
:I'll know everything that
gets communicated on it.
840
:Laura: Yeah.
841
:I could see that being like a
unofficial part of the position is
842
:like if you are handling all the
channels, you also have to know
843
:like all of the,
844
:Xhafer: she's got cameras
and mics everywhere.
845
:There's actually an un shot script
that is D alone on Galactica for some
846
:reason, and home alone's the place.
847
:God, I'd watch that episode.
848
:Laura: Oh, if only she could do
all the like traps for those Cy
849
:Xhafer: For sure.
850
:Oh
851
:Yeah.
852
:Yeah.
853
:She's got traps everywhere.
854
:A hundred percent
855
:Laura: Yeah.
856
:The cys like stepping in hot tar as
they try to come down the hallway,
857
:their feet melt to the bulkheads.
858
:Xhafer: warm up the doorknob
when they try to turn it.
859
:Yeah.
860
:Laura: With their, with their scary razor
861
:Xhafer: Yeah.
862
:Their hand gets like
melted to the doorknob.
863
:Ah.
864
:Laura: Yeah, no.
865
:Um, she's like, man, it's fine.
866
:Like people get hit sometimes.
867
:Like, you didn't let me down.
868
:It's just the luck of the draw.
869
:And he's like, actually it wasn't.
870
:Just that like, and we start to think that
maybe he could have called home at any
871
:time and just didn't.
872
:Xhafer: He just really doesn't
want to hear Dre's voice.
873
:It's like someone else, please Gada.
874
:Sure.
875
:I'll pick up D though.
876
:Laura: Yeah, I feel like she's doing
too much gossiping behind my back.
877
:Xhafer: yeah.
878
:Laura: Don't want her to know.
879
:No he's not so glad to be alive.
880
:Starbuck is trying to say,
I'm just glad you're here.
881
:And he's like, Hmm, I'm not
882
:Xhafer: Yeah.
883
:Big,
884
:Laura: so.
885
:We've got Starbeck turning into Dark Star
bes and we've got Lee turning into, sadly.
886
:Xhafer: Not the most ridiculously phase.
887
:We'll get on this show.
888
:Put a pin in
889
:that for season
890
:Laura: no, I mean we've already had like
891
:Xhafer: Oh,
892
:believe me, I, everyone listening who's
seen this show, knows exactly what
893
:I'm talking about right now without
me needing to say anything else.
894
:Laura: Okay.
895
:Xhafer: You'll find out soon enough.
896
:Laura: I'm, I'm not criticizing
sadly, like this is just a phase
897
:that he's going into, right.
898
:Because we've already had petulant
childly and like sadly is at least
899
:like reflecting on some stuff.
900
:Xhafer: depression Lee, um, is a thing
that we'll be reckoning with for a minute.
901
:Laura: Yeah.
902
:And you know, fair.
903
:Yeah.
904
:Yeah.
905
:Xhafer: Speaking of making it back though,
Helo and Chief say, Hey to Sharon, at
906
:least they go to say, Hey, and then helos
there, and then chiefs all like, oh,
907
:this got super awkward, super quick peace
and just kind of sneaks out the back.
908
:Laura: Yeah, they're just like
this weird little triad that can't
909
:admit like what they are and, and
also she's not the same person as.
910
:Terl had been with sort of, I don't know.
911
:It's weird, and I don't know if
this is gonna be the end of this
912
:or not, but I kinda hope it is.
913
:Xhafer: Yeah.
914
:Laura: I mean, I thought when
we had the stupid Sharon phone
915
:call that we didn't hear.
916
:You know it's at the end of the
episode and it just cuts off.
917
:And I was like, shit.
918
:Well, I hope that's the end of it.
919
:I hope that was ti old being
like I'm through, but I kind
920
:of feel like it's probably not.
921
:Xhafer: Hmm.
922
:Laura: Who
923
:knows?
924
:But we're gonna end this episode.
925
:Mommy and daddy are gonna talk
with our son, Billy, our other son.
926
:Xhafer: Our stepson, I don't know.
927
:It's weird, but you are here, so
928
:Laura: Maybe he's the
nephew we had to adopt.
929
:I.
930
:Xhafer: Yeah.
931
:Nobody knows how Gina
escaped, but she did.
932
:Laura needs a nap, but Bill won't be
getting one since he's now a damn roll.
933
:A dom roll.
934
:I don't know.
935
:We'll workshop it after.
936
:Uh, Now it is.
937
:Colonial tradition that this
promotion is only granted by
938
:smooches with the president.
939
:Uh, historically a very awkward
ceremony regardless of any
940
:context but it kind of works here.
941
:Laura: All right.
942
:I'll admit it.
943
:I fucking loved this.
944
:I want mommy and daddy to
be together, to be together.
945
:I want them to be happy.
946
:I don't care that mommy's a silent.
947
:I want them to be happy.
948
:And it was very cute, although the
president was kinda like, oh my.
949
:Yeah.
950
:And he, you know, she tells
him to never give up hope.
951
:She's like, I'm so glad you didn't
have to do that thing that I did.
952
:And that the silent did it for us.
953
:And he doesn't say, I was
not gonna do it, sorry.
954
:but she says, never give up hope.
955
:And he tells her the same and
gives her a s moochie kiss.
956
:And I just really liked it.
957
:I'm shipping it hard,
958
:uh, but then Billy has to
practically carry her away
959
:because she is very, very frail.
960
:Xhafer: Yeah.
961
:And that's it.
962
:That's the episode we got
through the two-parter.
963
:Laura: Oh, thank God.
964
:Xhafer: All right, well, on a scale
of one to 12 colonies, where you at?
965
:Laura: I give it 12 smooch kisses.
966
:Xhafer: 12 Smooch kisses.
967
:Laura: I love it and I was really, I
mean, relieved that we wrote this the way
968
:that we did that our daddy Adama didn't
have to take the dark turn as well,
969
:although I'm very worried about Darby's,
970
:very worried about that.
971
:Um, daddy Doma didn't take the dark turn.
972
:Admiral Kane turned out better
than I thought, and was.
973
:I mean, Gina got justice.
974
:I don't know that Gina's
gonna be not a problem.
975
:I think she's gonna be a big problem.
976
:But at least the humans got
to be better than I feared.
977
:So,
978
:Xhafer: Yep.
979
:Just uh, well, you'll see
980
:Laura: yeah.
981
:Oh, you didn't tell me your rating.
982
:Xhafer: Oh, okay.
983
:Laura: Unless you wanna be
12 smooch kisses with me.
984
:Xhafer: I, I had written down
in 11, but I had also written
985
:down, I don't know, talk it out.
986
:Um, so.
987
:I, I like this episode a lot.
988
:Um, I
989
:like the previous episode a lot.
990
:Like I said, one of my favorite
three parters of all time, not my
991
:most favorite, that's in Babylon
five, but really enjoyed this app.
992
:Uh, I think of the three, I don't
know where I'd put this in comparison.
993
:Um, I think last episode's
probably my favorite of the three.
994
:Laura: okay.
995
:Xhafer: Um, really, really
enjoyed this episode though.
996
:Um.
997
:It's a lot of resolution, a lot of stuff
we've been building for in episodes
998
:before Pegasus comes to fruition here.
999
:And there's also a lot of stuff that
will pay off in coming episodes here.
:
00:46:59,197 --> 00:47:01,837
Um, solid, solid episode.
:
00:47:02,377 --> 00:47:03,367
Very avy.
:
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,237
I was, I was engaged the entire time.
:
00:47:07,637 --> 00:47:11,087
When an episode is hard to
pause, to take notes for.
:
00:47:11,447 --> 00:47:13,877
And you're like, damn it, I don't
wanna pause and you watch some and
:
00:47:13,877 --> 00:47:15,647
then rewind to take your notes.
:
00:47:16,097 --> 00:47:16,637
I think that's the
:
00:47:16,637 --> 00:47:18,407
mark of a truly excellent episode.
:
00:47:18,407 --> 00:47:20,717
And that was the case for
these, both of these last two.
:
00:47:21,752 --> 00:47:22,832
Laura: yeah, for sure.
:
00:47:23,192 --> 00:47:26,732
I almost am apprehensive again.
:
00:47:26,732 --> 00:47:28,862
You know, I was apprehensive
about how this all was gonna
:
00:47:28,862 --> 00:47:30,932
turn out and it turned out fine.
:
00:47:31,472 --> 00:47:34,292
And now I'm like, well, what
crazy shit is gonna happen now?
:
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,047
Xhafer: Well, let's talk about it.
:
00:47:36,047 --> 00:47:36,947
We've got season
:
00:47:36,947 --> 00:47:40,247
two, episode 13.
:
00:47:41,327 --> 00:47:42,167
Epiphany is
:
00:47:42,722 --> 00:47:45,547
Laura: I feel like this is a sci-fi
title that's been used in other things.
:
00:47:45,722 --> 00:47:46,292
Xhafer: for sure.
:
00:47:47,252 --> 00:47:48,692
Let's see here.
:
00:47:49,403 --> 00:47:53,303
I like this episode description better
than the one I've got written down.
:
00:47:53,933 --> 00:47:56,828
President Roslyn flashes
back to her life on Caprica.
:
00:47:57,308 --> 00:48:02,513
A group of silent sympathizers
destroy the Tillium refinery.
:
00:48:03,406 --> 00:48:05,806
Laura: Silent sympathizers.
:
00:48:05,896 --> 00:48:06,556
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:07,971
Laura: Huh?
:
00:48:08,661 --> 00:48:09,441
Interesting.
:
00:48:10,881 --> 00:48:11,061
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:48:11,061 --> 00:48:14,451
I like that better than the, the,
the one I wrote down is actually
:
00:48:14,451 --> 00:48:16,761
more spoiler spoils than that.
:
00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:19,415
Laura: The Tillium
Refinery is a ship right.
:
00:48:20,061 --> 00:48:20,361
Hmm.
:
00:48:21,156 --> 00:48:21,726
Wow.
:
00:48:22,251 --> 00:48:23,691
Wonder how we got sympathizers?
:
00:48:24,216 --> 00:48:28,506
Xhafer: We'll talk about it next week,
but before we get there, I should probably
:
00:48:28,506 --> 00:48:31,296
say thank you to a couple of people.
:
00:48:31,806 --> 00:48:35,166
Like, Hey, Jeremy Siegel
40 two.bandcamp.com.
:
00:48:35,166 --> 00:48:36,846
Buddy, how you doing?
:
00:48:37,236 --> 00:48:39,096
I hope it's well, hope things
are going good for you.
:
00:48:39,886 --> 00:48:44,086
You can find more Jeremy's work and
streaming services has nuclear Jaguar.
:
00:48:44,866 --> 00:48:46,606
You know, thanks for
giving us our theme song.
:
00:48:46,756 --> 00:48:47,571
We really appreciate it.
:
00:48:48,233 --> 00:48:51,833
Laura: Yeah, and thanks Eck Time machine
on Instagram for the podcast artwork.
:
00:48:52,403 --> 00:49:00,989
Xhafer: Aaron, look, I don't listen to
this podcast, but, but if I did, I would
:
00:49:01,439 --> 00:49:06,539
only know even more what a great editor
you are because anytime I have listened
:
00:49:06,539 --> 00:49:08,219
to this podcast, you fucking nailed it.
:
00:49:08,609 --> 00:49:09,719
So keep it up.
:
00:49:09,959 --> 00:49:10,919
Appreciate the hell outta you.
:
00:49:10,919 --> 00:49:11,699
Thanks so much.
:
00:49:12,629 --> 00:49:13,439
Laura: yeah, yeah.
:
00:49:13,529 --> 00:49:18,918
I've been listening because
like the stress of schooling.
:
00:49:19,323 --> 00:49:22,143
Makes me wanna spend more time with
my friends, but I don't have a lot
:
00:49:22,143 --> 00:49:26,883
of time to spend with my friends, so
I get an extra 45 minutes with Jair
:
00:49:27,123 --> 00:49:29,823
if I listen to our podcast again.
:
00:49:30,153 --> 00:49:33,153
Also, I have a commute that makes
it a lot easier to do that, so,
:
00:49:34,218 --> 00:49:38,478
Xhafer: I, I listened to, like, I actually
sat down and listened to podcasts for the
:
00:49:38,478 --> 00:49:42,408
first time in like, probably eight months,
two weeks ago, or three weeks ago when I
:
00:49:42,408 --> 00:49:44,598
was driving to and from Chicago for work.
:
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,370
Laura: yeah.
:
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,370
Xhafer: It was almost exclusively
behind the bastards though.
:
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:50,440
What a good podcast.
:
00:49:51,925 --> 00:49:54,290
Laura: You didn't just listen
to eight hours of yourself.
:
00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:56,770
Xhafer: No, no, no.
:
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:57,100
no.
:
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:58,510
I hear my own voice quite enough.
:
00:49:58,510 --> 00:49:58,990
Thank you.
:
00:49:59,860 --> 00:50:01,070
Laura: Yeah, indeed.
:
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,290
Xhafer: All right,
we'll see you next week.
:
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:02,710
Internet.
:
00:50:03,247 --> 00:50:03,467
Laura: Bye.