BSG S2E7 - A Lot of Fee-fees on Kobol
Laura and Xhafer question AI's Googling ability. Laura wonders about Cylon god. Xhafer plays a numbers game. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 7: Home Part 2.
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Transcript
Hello and welcome to Who Are You?
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:We're a reasonably well done sci-fi
watch cast by a couple of former
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:strangers who are now friends watching
:
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:I'm Laura
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:Xhafer: And I'm Jair.
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:Laura: and we get to
talk reunification today.
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:Ge Fair.
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:Xhafer: We're Star Trek,
TNG, season four episode.
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:Oh God, I don't even know if I'm in the
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:Laura: Google.
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:Google.
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:Google.
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:Xhafer: I want to say seven.
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:Season five, episode seven.
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:Damn.
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:So close.
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:Laura: You were really close.
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:Xhafer: Okay.
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:Laura: You messed up the, the thing
that should have been easier to
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:get than the one that was harder
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:to get.
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:I'm impressed.
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:Xhafer: I just remember that it was the
year that undiscovered country came out.
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:I guess I could have sat and figured it
out rather than shooting from the hip.
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:Laura: I feel like there's gotta
be more than one Star Trek episode
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:called Reunification, but maybe not.
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:Xhafer: It might not even
be reunification, it might
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:just be reunification.
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:That would actually make more
sense than reunification, but
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:neither here nor there.
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:Uh, Before we get into this episode,
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:I did want to briefly mention
that there's, in the last time on
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:Bit, they did, they did a fool.
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:You moment, I don't know if you know
caught this, but they do the voice
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:from the back of the head when Zurich's
talking to mayor and they use a different
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:light of dialogue than what was in
the scene from the previous episode.
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:They dub it over and they, the guy
who's supposed to be speaking is Meyer,
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:and it's not even the same actor.
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:Laura: wow, okay.
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:Yeah, no, I didn't catch that.
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:I thought I caught one unusual moment,
and I don't know if this actually happened
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:or not, but when they're showing the
last time on of like Boomer getting
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:shot, someone like yells Callie shot her
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:and I was
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:Xhafer: I don't think that
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:Laura: I don't, I don't
think that happened.
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:And I think they were just doing it to
like, by the way, it was Callie, remember.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Well, I mean, the thing where they were,
the conversation that Zurich and Meyer
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:were having was about killing Lee, but
they weren't saying Lee's name on purpose.
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:They were being super cagey where
it's all like, oh, someone's
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:gonna die on the surface.
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:And then like the line they dubbed over
and that someone is Captain Apollo,
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:but it wasn't Meyer's voice and it
was like showing the back of his head
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:Laura: That's hysterical.
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:I didn't notice that one, but
the, the Cali shot her, I was
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:like pretty sure that, no one ever
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:Xhafer: you know, I didn't think about it.
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:But the second you said it, I recognized
that as the truth is what happened
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:that did not happen in that scene.
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Okay.
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:That's fun though.
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:I like, I mean, I, I get it.
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:Sometimes you gotta add a little
something to make it clear if you
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:don't remember from a week ago what
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:Xhafer: I mean, we were warned
that this show does this.
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:I don't, I never caught any of
this in the first run through
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:when it was airing originally.
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:But Ryan told us, right, that this
is, the show does this sometimes,
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:so
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:Laura: think it was Ryan.
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:Yeah.
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:But see, look, I need someone to come up
and, and tell me with a different actor's
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:voice, please use an Australian accent.
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:That'll be important.
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:No, we, we've gotta come back together.
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:We're watching season two,
episode seven, home part two.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:We open on those bear strings.
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:Bear McCreary, just, man, the soundtrack
in this season is so, I mean, it, the
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:soundtrack in this show is so good,
but specifically the soundtrack in
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:this season, I think is my favorite.
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:Laura: Very strong.
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:Xhafer: Very good.
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:Everyone is hiking in the rain on cobol.
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:We're cutting back and forth
between here and Galactica where
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:they're trying to figure out their
path and discussing the plan.
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:Kind of, they're like
going back and forth.
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:It's like, oh, they might follow this.
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:And we see a little bit of them going
on that way, and they're like, oh,
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:well what are we gonna do and do is
all like, well, we're gonna do a low
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:atmosphere or a high atmosphere jump.
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:And Gada is immediately
like, we can't do that.
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:The ship is way too big for that.
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:What are you fucking talking about?
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:He's like, well, I'm going in a raptor.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:He's like, we're only taking the
people we absolutely need to take.
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:Like, we're not risking any more lives.
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:We never figured out the blood ebitda, so
we're just gonna take a couple of people
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Laura: and uh, it's raining on cobol.
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:I think that's very important because
we have a lot of feelings on cobol.
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:Xhafer: There's a lot of
fifis on COBOL right now.
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:but yeah, so they, they decided
they're take in the Raptor and
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:we go to theme survivor count.
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:We're down three 47,855.
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:This is a lota and two
red shirts on the surface.
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:I have a thing written down here, Laura.
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:Laura: Oh, okay.
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:Xhafer: Um, we're not quite halfway
through the season, but the halfway point
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:of the season is before the halfway point
in number of episodes, in my opinion.
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:Laura: Oh, okay.
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:Xhafer: I think the halfway point is
in between nine and 10 instead of 10
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:and 11 for well, it's because spoily
tens is gonna end in a big cliffhanger.
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:Laura: Uhhuh.
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:Xhafer: Um, and I don't want to, like,
I was thinking about moving the movie
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:break to be between nine and 10, and
while it was going over all of this
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:stuff, I thought it might be fun at the
halfway point of the season or somewhere
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:abouts, like Now since we're talking about
the survivor count, we've been talking
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:about the survivor count every episode.
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:Laura: Uhhuh.
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:Xhafer: what do you think the difference
is going to from now, 47 8 55?
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:I don't want you to guess the number
we're gonna be at, at the end of
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:season two, but I want you to guess
how much of a change there is.
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:Laura: Hmm.
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:Okay.
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:Like a percentage.
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:Xhafer: Um, you could do a percentage,
you could do a total number.
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:Um, I have the, I have the
actual number written down.
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:The difference,
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:Laura: okay.
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:And you're not gonna tell me?
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:Xhafer: not gonna tell you.
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: Um, but I will give you
a very ambiguous hot, cold answer
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:based off of the percentage.
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:Let's say that,
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:Laura: yeah.
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:Well, it's not going up, right?
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:Xhafer: real quick.
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:Laura: Oh, I guess it can go up because we
can go back and get people off of Caprica.
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:Xhafer: So I'm, I'm, I did
just write down the flat, total
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:change between the numbers.
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:I'm using absolute values for
everything for the sake of
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:So we'll just say it's absolute values.
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:Total change.
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:Laura: Hmm.
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:Well.
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:I'm a little afraid.
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:Let me do, let me do a
little calculator here.
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:What would a 25% drop be?
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:25% drop would be about 35,000 8 91.
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:Xhafer: a lot.
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:Laura: It's a lot.
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:I have a feeling this show
would do that to me though.
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:Xhafer: Would it do it to you
by the end of the season though?
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:Laura: Well, okay, so
there's four seasons, right?
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:I think it would do this to me.
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:Clear the old calculator.
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:Try again.
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:what if we had a 20% drop?
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:That'd be about 38,284, and then we gain
maybe 5% by rescuing everyone on Caprica.
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:That'd be a 15%, that'd be about 40,000.
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:Xhafer: So you think
in a 15% change overall
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:by the end of this season.
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:Laura: I'm gonna say 15 to 20.
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:I'm gonna give it a nice little like
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:Xhafer: Okay.
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:Laura: range.
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:That's overall change, not including,
like, we might individually drop more,
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:but we gain some from Caprica Africa.
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:Xhafer: I will say you're very cold.
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:Laura: Oh, no.
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:Hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Ah, that was fun.
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:I've been thinking about how
to do that for like three
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:weeks in the back of my head.
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:Like, oh, I know I want to do it.
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:I don't wanna, I don't know exactly
when, what would be a good episode two?
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:Laura: do it?
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:How do I structure it
where it's not spoily?
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Structuring it like, like the, the
decision to say absolute values off
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:the top was what I made very early on.
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:I,
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:Laura: yeah,
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:Xhafer: will say that it
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:Laura: yeah.
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:But I don't see us gaining any significant
amount of people during this season.
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:Like
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:Xhafer: well,
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:Laura: yeah.
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:If, if we managed to not
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:lose
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:Xhafer: hundred people on Caprica, right?
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:Like, I mean, I mean there's
how many women in the uh,
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:the farms did Sharon tell us?
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:Thousands.
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:Laura: said thousands.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: So there, there's
a possibility there.
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:Um, for some, for some growth as it
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:But I, it's still, it's
not gonna be a 15% growth.
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:That's
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:Xhafer: Now.
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:Laura: outta line I think.
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:Xhafer: So, well, I mean, presumably
the gro growth would offset the deaths,
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:Laura: Right,
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:Xhafer: know, so,
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:Laura: right.
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:Xhafer: okay.
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:Well that was fun.
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:Laura: Jair is doing a little dance.
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:Everyone, he had a, a good time.
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:Xhafer: did, there are people who
are going to listen to the first 10
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:minutes of this episode like three
times because of the thing I just did.
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:Laura: They're gonna, they're gonna go
do some Googling and they're gonna do a
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:little math and they're gonna have some
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:fun.
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:Xhafer: someone's gonna have some fun.
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:It'll be good.
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:Um,
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Well, did we say Adama was going himself?
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:Like he said, I have to go get Rosalyn
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:Xhafer: am
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:Laura: because Yeah,
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:Xhafer: And he's like, don't
even try to argue with me Saul.
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:Like, like Ty would go,
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:Laura: yeah.
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:please.
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:please.
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:He's a coward.
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:Yeah.
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:No, no, no.
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:I think it's right Adama's.
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:Like I'm the one who broke this
party up basically when I arrested
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:Rosalyn in the first place.
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:So I gotta do this thing.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Sharon's leading the way.
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:When we come back from theme here,
it is too far to make it in one day.
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:So Rosalyn wants to push a bit
further before they set up camp.
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:And then Baltar is in the silent holding
cell with a, for some reason, naked six.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Um, before this, I wanna talk a
little bit about what Sharon says
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Go for
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:Laura: So Sharon's like hypothesizing
about the gates and I think it's
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:maybe her and Hilo talking about
how the silos believe in one God.
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:And I think she says something
about the human gods are false gods.
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:Xhafer: Very In line with
some of the language.
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:Six PT is used.
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:Laura: Yes.
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:And Sharon tells them that she knows
more about their religion than they
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:do and says whoever Athena was like,
she doesn't believe she was real or
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:doesn't think well, she definitely
doesn't think of her as, as a religious
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:deity figure, so.
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:right.
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:right.
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:Xhafer: if, if Athena was
a person, Athena wasn't
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:Laura: I am so curious
about cylon God, like.
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:I'm wondering if the show is gonna
reveal an actual silent God to me,
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:and I think, I don't want that.
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:Xhafer: Um, so,
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:Not gonna give you any spoilers.
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:Laura: okay.
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:Xhafer: I will say in the original
series, there is a character
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:who's kind of like silent God.
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:Um, the cy in the original series
of silence were not made by humans.
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:Laura: I didn't know that.
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:Xhafer: They were made by wizard people.
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:Laura: Oh, that's less
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:Xhafer: and there is a like wizard person
who was like the guy who made the silence,
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:who's like their god, but he's just like
the lizard person who made the silences.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Um, so, I guess what I'm
saying is be careful what you wish for.
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:Uh.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I don't know.
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:I don't, I don't think
I want a silent God.
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:I think that's less satisfying somehow.
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:I'm open to being surprised.
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:Xhafer: I mean, I don't think it is a big
twist to say that in four Seasons two,
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:two and a half seasons of the show that
are left we will learn more about silent
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:society and, and religion and stuff.
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:You know, I don't think that's, that's a
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:Laura: There's no spoilers
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Um, so I mean, there
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:Laura: being laid.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: As far as how detailed it gets.
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:I mean, you'll see
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:I won't say anything.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I, I am very apprehensive about that.
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:I don't know what to expect.
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:Just like, I don't know
what to expect with Mr.
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:Baltar here.
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:Uh, We do a lot with
Baltar in this episode.
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:We'd sort of forgotten
about him for a little bit.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:This is arguably a very
important Baltar episode.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I love how nothing is
answered for me really.
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:Xhafer: Nothing is answered, but
also if you just take six PT at face
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:value here, then you have an answer.
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: if you want to trust six pt,
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:Laura: Right.
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:Do you wanna do that?
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:You should never take your artificial
intelligence at face value.
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:I
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:Xhafer: Agreed.
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:A hundred percent.
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:Laura: always question what
you get back from Chicha GPT.
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:Just even just a little bit.
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:Xhafer: Man, the fact that people are
like using chat GPT instead of Googling
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:things now blows my fucking mind.
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:Just
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:don't, don't do That Please.
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:Laura: Well, I mean, just, just
doing a Google and getting the Google
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:AI result at the top, you can see.
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:That, like those ais
don't, don't Google well,
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:Xhafer: no they don't.
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:Laura: because you'll get
straight up wrong stuff.
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:Google AI will say something totally wrong
and then there's all the search results
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:right beneath it that contradict the thing
that it said like, don't do it people.
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:Xhafer: I've found lately it's gotten
a little bit better because sometimes
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:when I search something, it just quotes
the Wikipedia article at me and I will
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:like go down one search result and see
the Wikipedia article preview and it's
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:the exact text that the AI set above.
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:but I'm still reading both
to note that that's the case.
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:Laura: yeah.
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:Important step.
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:There's a fun article and I
wish I could remember exact.
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:I think it might be The New Yorker.
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:Or New York magazine.
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:Are they the same thing?
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:They're
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:not.
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:Right.
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:Xhafer: they are.
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:Laura: Right.
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:I might be one of those two.
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:That was like talking about I think they,
they throw chat GPT under the bus, but
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:it's like chat GPT is ruining higher
education at an alarmingly fast rate.
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:So of course I was like, well,
I have a vested interest in
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:that, so I better listen to it.
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:And uh, I don't know.
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:Some of the things that they said, I'm
not sure I agree with, but some of it I'm
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:Like, that's the thing, I, I did
have students before I went back
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:when I was teaching adjunct, right.
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:That would put their super low stakes,
like introduce yourself to a classmate
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:prompt into chat GPT and then copy
and paste exactly what chat GPT said
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:back and you could tell, because
there would be a thing of like, sure,
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:I'll answer that for you at the top.
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:And it's like if you can't even do
basic, like, okay, I'm gonna cut
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:this here, I'm gonna edit this here.
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:Like, I don't know how to help you.
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:Like,
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:Cognitive offloading is the, is the
term I hear thrown around pretty
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:often in professional AI circles.
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:Um, and it is, it is a real concern
because simultaneously there's a lot of
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:people who are all, like, if you don't use
ai, you're only working 20% of your ap.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: And I mean, some of that's
true, like I've done, you know,
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:some quick programming stuff with
you knowis, that are built for it.
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:Laura: Sure.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: You know, it's like, yeah, okay.
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:That, that sped me up a little
bit rather than fumbling through.
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:Um, I like using chat GPT
to uh, troubleshoot Python
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:that's not running properly.
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:It tends to help me out there where it's
all like, oh, hey, you missed this comma
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:or something, and these 500 lines of code.
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:I'm like, cool.
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:Good job, bro.
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:That saved me an hour.
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:Laura: exactly like
the, for the code stuff.
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:I don't feel guilty about
using it for that at
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:Xhafer: for sure.
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:Um, you know, and it's like I still
know what everything's doing, um,
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:to be able to get to that point.
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:But at the same time, it's this cognitive
offloading the uh, letting your brain
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:take a vacation while AI does your job,
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: you know?
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:Those are the people that are on
the precipice of being downsized.
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:And so part of me wonders if, you
know, CEOs encouraging everyone to
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:just rely on AI to do their jobs
is just a test to see if they could
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:fire them and let AI do their jobs,
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:Laura: Yeah, it's, it's a
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:Xhafer: and and listener.
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:I would suggest if your boss asks
you how much AI you use at work,
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:you say very little regardless.
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:Laura: And maybe throw in like, I've
tried, but it's so bad at what I do.
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:Xhafer: A hundred percent.
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:Yeah.
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:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
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:Speaking of so bad six PT is wild
here in this episode, so yeah, she's,
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:she's all naked in the, silent jail.
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:Gaius is like suddenly over it and her and
says that she's not his fantasy anymore.
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:There's no way a woman in his
head is bearing this mythical
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:baby she's been talking about.
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:And then he starts like ranting
about the show at the audience
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:Xhafer: Uh, There is
an important note here,
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:uh, that plays later in the episode,
which is she does say, I never said
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:I was actually going to like bear
a physically bear a child guy, like
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: I'm speaking in
metaphors here, and that's when
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:Laura: let's go ahead and
drop that metaphor again.
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:Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Um, so yeah, Gaius gets fed up
at the ludicrous of ness of it all, and
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:when we cut back, this doesn't feel like
six pt to me, this feels like Trisha
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:Helfer begging for this storyline to end.
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:So speaking of metaphors, like we
cut back to six PT and she's gone
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:so full casual that you're like,
wait, is this the same actress?
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:You're, you're, you cut for a second and
you're like, was Gais just ranting at a
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:random crew member for some reason, like.
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:Xhafer: you start with just like
the back of her head and stuff,
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:and the hair's different, right?
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:And so it's like, it, it kind of
baits you in for that for a second.
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:Laura: she's in sweatpants and a
hoodie like we have never seen.
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:Xhafer: Her hair is normal.
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:She's not, you know, an
hour in the makeup chair.
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:Laura: yeah.
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:Xhafer: beholden
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:Laura: There's still
makeup, don't get me wrong.
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:Like for the natural look,
there's still makeup.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:But it's uh, it's, it's not the, the
Hollywood full standard, I suppose.
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:I,
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:Laura: yeah.
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:And she tells him, dude,
I'm your psychosis.
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:Duh.
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:Xhafer: yeah.
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:Laura: You're just a psycho.
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:Like your brain broke when you found
out that you helped the silence, destroy
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:all of humanity, all of the 12 colonies,
and you're just, you can't cope anymore.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:She's like, you crazy.
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:Fuck.
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:Men would rather hallucinate a
model to torture and fuck them
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:than go to therapy to deal with
their complicitness and genocide,
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:Laura: Yeah,
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:Xhafer: you know?
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:Laura: it's true.
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:It's true.
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:And he, this is the first time
he seems like really upset.
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:Xhafer: Yeah.
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:He's just like, fuck, wait, what?
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:No, I'm genius.
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:I can't be crazy.
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:Those two things never go hand in hand.
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:Laura: never happened before.
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:And so she taunts him.
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:Well just scan your brain.
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:If you just scan your brain,
you'll, you might find out, but you
472
:might not like what you find out.
473
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
474
:Hmm.
475
:Laura: so on the Raptor, we're
taking Chief Terell again.
476
:Xhafer: we got Tyrell.
477
:I mean, he's a person
who's was out there, right?
478
:Laura: I know.
479
:Xhafer: I mean, if you think
about it, you know, Lee was on
480
:the, on the surface, Lee's gone.
481
:You know, he's with
482
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
483
:Mm-hmm.
484
:Xhafer: in jail.
485
:Laura: Yeah.
486
:30
487
:Xhafer: Baltar.
488
:Laura: No, no.
489
:Why would we do that?
490
:Xhafer: you're not.
491
:I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't.
492
:He's got other stuff to do this episode,
but also you wouldn't take him, you know?
493
:And so your options are the medic who's
not gonna want to go, and the chief
494
:who will do anything for the old man.
495
:Laura: Yeah.
496
:But poor Tyrel.
497
:My God.
498
:I, that, that's the thing I wrote down.
499
:The second I saw him, I was
like, oh, no, Tiro again.
500
:And then we cut to Poor Billy.
501
:Xhafer: Yeah.
502
:It's worth noting.
503
:Racetrack is also on this ship.
504
:Laura: Oh
505
:Xhafer: in the back there because
racetrack is the one who faked the Raptor
506
:poll so that Lee and the president could
escape and the President doesn't know.
507
:And uh, Adam never found that out, so.
508
:Laura: Oh yeah, that's right.
509
:Xhafer: Yeah.
510
:Laura: Oh,
511
:Xhafer: Oh
512
:indeed.
513
:Laura: Adama asked Billy if he's
feeling okay about this, and he
514
:is like, no, of course I'm not.
515
:And then Adama just like puffs
him up with some straight up lies.
516
:Like this conversation between Adam and
Rosalyn never happened that we know of.
517
:Right.
518
:Xhafer: Uh,
519
:Laura: Adama tells Billy that, oh yeah,
she thinks you're presidential material.
520
:Xhafer: I think she said that
he reminds her of a young aar.
521
:I think I remember that.
522
:But that might
523
:Laura: I don't remember that conversation.
524
:Xhafer: I might, I might just be
making it up 'cause he says it here.
525
:I might be misremembering.
526
:It might just be filling in the
527
:Laura: idea.
528
:I, I, I could see it, but
at the same time it's like I
529
:could just be confabulating it.
530
:Xhafer: Yeah.
531
:The best part is he's like, I
wouldn't take it too seriously.
532
:A dar was a moron.
533
:Laura: Yeah.
534
:Yeah.
535
:But I don't think she ever said
he's presidential material.
536
:Like Adama I think says
that which is like, okay.
537
:But then we go straight into COBOL
at full GS and the leaf blowers
538
:are just going at our faces.
539
:Xhafer: A nice little halo jump, halo
style jump whatever the equivalent
540
:of that would be for a spaceship.
541
:it's interesting.
542
:It's, it's cool to see, um, you know,
we're told that this is dangerous.
543
:We're told that, you know, and
then we see the effect on the ship
544
:and on all the people this risky
maneuver to dodge the sirens.
545
:They aren't even there.
546
:You know, the DRE is shows that
silences are not an orbit when
547
:they get there, but they did not
know that until they were there.
548
:So, you
549
:Laura: Right.
550
:Just because there's no silence
in orbit doesn't mean there's
551
:no silence, like clearly.
552
:Xhafer: Lee is very distressing of
Hilo and Sharon like Star Bes once
553
:was and now she gets to deal with it
for Hilo instead of Hilo dealing with
554
:it for her, which is a nice little
turnaround from several episodes ago.
555
:Laura: Yeah.
556
:Sharon is telling Hilo that like, you
know, I, I know I don't know everyone,
557
:but I feel like I'm home with family now.
558
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
559
:Yep.
560
:Laura: I'm not comfortable.
561
:Um, but speaking of not comfortable,
we're gonna talk about Zurich and
562
:Meyer uh, discussing Rosalyn's mental
state as she like clutches her book.
563
:Xhafer: Yeah, she's having a bad day.
564
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
565
:Xhafer: you know, one of her
closest friends and advisors died.
566
:So you know
567
:Laura: Yeah.
568
:Xhafer: that's a rough day.
569
:And then also they don't say it, but
if she were to be having some Kamala
570
:withdrawal side effects or something, you
know, she's been like squirreled away and
571
:stuff, so who knows where that's at too.
572
:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
573
:Xhafer: Coddle in a bit, you know?
574
:Laura: but Zurich is kind
of pulling out on the plan.
575
:He's like, I don't, I don't
think we should kill Lee.
576
:Like, this might not be the time.
577
:And Meyer is just full steam ahead.
578
:He does not want to back out of
579
:Xhafer: We're gonna kill Lee or
we're gonna get that Cy to kill
580
:Lee and then we'll kill that silent
581
:like gonna do the thing.
582
:Laura: Yeah.
583
:He's going to play the pawns
he thinks against each other.
584
:'Cause this has to happen.
585
:And Zurich is like, well, no, let's not
do anything till we find the tomb like we.
586
:We do have to do that.
587
:That seems to be important.
588
:Xhafer: Star bes pitches rescuing the
resistance to Roslyn as Sharon gives.
589
:In 2005, I would've described it
as the worst gender reveal party,
590
:but god damn is that going off
a cliff in the last 20 years?
591
:Uh, as she tells Hilo, it's a girl.
592
:Laura: I just don't trust this man.
593
:Something about her face,
I was like, I see lies.
594
:I don't see that this is a true thing.
595
:Xhafer: Yeah.
596
:Are you just racist
against silence, Laura?
597
:Laura: I don't know.
598
:Maybe.
599
:Maybe I can't read their expressions.
600
:but I was just like, I don't know.
601
:I don't trust this face.
602
:Xhafer: not supposed to trust her.
603
:They, they do a very good job of
uh, of making you not trust her.
604
:Laura: Yeah, like.
605
:Sharon was explicitly good,
it would be clear, I think.
606
:And it is definitely not, even
though we have moments in this
607
:episode where it's like, we're gonna
establish her as the better, Sharon,
608
:she's better.
609
:I'm still not like
everything I'm questioning.
610
:Xhafer: No, that's, that's what
you're supposed to be doing.
611
:That, that's what all of
the characters are doing,
612
:Laura: yeah.
613
:Hilo is surprised to silence
by the revelation that it's
614
:a girl and that she can tell.
615
:So,
616
:Xhafer: She just knows.
617
:Laura: But Rosalyn never committed
to a rescue mission on Caprica.
618
:Xhafer: Yeah.
619
:Laura: She says, we've
gotta do this thing first.
620
:Xhafer: yeah.
621
:We'll figure it out later.
622
:Laura: I mean, she's a politician too.
623
:Like, you don't wanna
make a promise and then
624
:Xhafer: Also like what kind
of rescue mission is she gonna
625
:fucking mount to Caprica?
626
:Like that's a Galactica gig.
627
:Laura: Oh yeah.
628
:'cause they don't know about it on it yet.
629
:Um, but also Star Bes doesn't tell her
everything about Caprica either yet.
630
:Like she just basically
says there are survivors.
631
:We have to go back for them.
632
:She doesn't tell her the, we're
hooking women up to incubation
633
:Xhafer: I mean, I don't, maybe you
don't lead with that with the president.
634
:Maybe.
635
:Maybe that's the second sentence.
636
:But you get shot down at the first.
637
:Laura: Yeah.
638
:Xhafer: Like, I, I, I, I think the
news is that there are people still
639
:alive on capa and then you say that
they need our help and then here's why.
640
:Yeah.
641
:And she doesn't get to say, here's why.
642
:Laura: right.
643
:She'll get there.
644
:But we've gotta go back to Galactica
for a bit as GAAS is getting scanned
645
:and Dot coddle is over his shit.
646
:Xhafer: I have that exact phrase.
647
:God is over guys'.
648
:Shit.
649
:Six.
650
:PT will not let him rest for the scan
that she was encouraging him to get.
651
:Dick
652
:move.
653
:Laura: Yeah.
654
:Oh, speaking of six stuff.
655
:So I didn't notice for sure.
656
:I didn't go back and check it, but
it seems like when they were in the
657
:cages talking six's music did not play.
658
:But the six music is back
as he's getting scanned.
659
:Xhafer: Hmm.
660
:Laura: So I don't know
if that means anything.
661
:Xhafer: I didn't clock that.
662
:Laura: seems deliberate.
663
:I don't know.
664
:Maybe somebody can go check for sure
and see if the six music was playing
665
:in the cages, but I don't think it was
666
:Xhafer: Hmm.
667
:Laura: so.
668
:Hmm.
669
:Xhafer: After this Meyer tries
to convince Sharon to kill Lee.
670
:While Adama catches up to the party on
Cobol, there is a briefly tense moment,
671
:and that a mostly happy reunion until
Sharon rounds the corner a fucking again.
672
:At least this time she didn't know.
673
:But man, the Sharon round the
corner, two people threatening to
674
:kill her has got to be getting old.
675
:Laura: We're all very good at pulling
all of our guns on each other.
676
:They do it again when
Adama shows up at camp.
677
:Xhafer: He fucking choke slams her.
678
:I had to see, because there was a period
of time while Battlestar Galactica
679
:was on the air that ECW professional
wrestling would've been airing around
680
:the same time on sci-fi, and I'm
all like, they didn't, did they?
681
:And no, this was 10 months before
ECW started airing on sci-fi.
682
:Laura: Okay.
683
:Xhafer: But I had to check.
684
:Laura: He is just panicking.
685
:yeah, he, he gets her down.
686
:but right before that Rosalyn sees
Billy and it's very cute the way
687
:she's like, so happy to see Billy.
688
:She needs her other advisor
back, you know, she's got him but
689
:Adama's heart, like malfunctions as
they're pulling him off of Sharon.
690
:Xhafer: yeah.
691
:Laura: And we, we had like a little
Adama flashback of being shot,
692
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
693
:Laura: And him asking
the corpse why I believe,
694
:Xhafer: Yeah.
695
:Laura: and as they're pulling him off
of Sharon, she says, and you ask why?
696
:So how the fuck would Sharon know that
unless she can like scan his experience
697
:or the Cylon cloud finally uploaded?
698
:I don't know,
699
:Xhafer: I mean, it could be those things.
700
:Just to throw a wrench in either
of those, for the sake of devil's
701
:advocate, it could just be that she
knows the old man well enough where
702
:she'd assume that would happen.
703
:You know, it's one,
704
:Laura: the Sharon persona has
enough information about Adama
705
:because she's never met Adama.
706
:Xhafer: to know that he would ask why.
707
:He might just because she knows that he
would ask why doesn't mean that she knows.
708
:He stood over her co corpse and
asked why physically, right.
709
:It doesn't have to be intimate
knowledge of that moment.
710
:It could just be the general knowledge
of the person and knowing that that's a
711
:question that they would ask themselves.
712
:Laura: Yeah.
713
:Yeah.
714
:Xhafer: But it's played like she
knows, like they show us the flashback.
715
:They're trying to make
us think that she knows.
716
:Laura: yes.
717
:So if we've got like one tick
mark on the chalkboard of.
718
:Weird things Sharon has said.
719
:We had the the baby thing and the look
on her face, and now we've got this.
720
:We're gonna get more
before this episode's over.
721
:but yeah, do coddle shows.
722
:Gaia, a whole lot of nothing
going on in his brain.
723
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
724
:Yep.
725
:The scans are clear and he's just like,
the only thing in your brain is bullshit.
726
:You feel free to take these
and look at 'em as much as you
727
:want on your own fucking time.
728
:Get out of my Med bay.
729
:Laura: There's always a
hypochondriac on every freaking ship.
730
:Xhafer: Uh,
731
:Laura: It.
732
:Love doc Coddle.
733
:I, I've turned around.
734
:I I will allow it.
735
:I like doc coddle.
736
:Xhafer: yeah.
737
:I knew, I knew this would happen.
738
:Laura: Yeah.
739
:Didn't love the, like, mansplaining
as mansplaining breast cancer
740
:as we're smoking a cigarette.
741
:But everything else pretty good.
742
:Xhafer: was it mansplaining or was it,
you're asking about herbal remedies?
743
:Splaining?
744
:Laura: Yeah, I don't know.
745
:It was, it was just like whatever we're
doing here about her female cancer,
746
:but I probably have like stage three
lung cancer going on at the same time.
747
:I was like, okay.
748
:All right.
749
:But anyway uh, so we get to, mom and
dad are gonna sit down and talk it out.
750
:Xhafer: Adama forgives Rosalyn.
751
:She's like,
752
:I
753
:didn't, I didn't ask for that.
754
:And he's like, well, you have it anyways.
755
:Like you betrayed me.
756
:Like that.
757
:The thing that hurt wasn't you
disobeying, like making someone
758
:disobey orders the things that hurt?
759
:Was you lying to me?
760
:That that's what hurt.
761
:I mean, that's also a shitty
reason to do a military coup.
762
:Which it would've been
nice for him to say,
763
:Laura: Yeah.
764
:Yeah.
765
:Xhafer: But he does, he does, you
know, he gives her forgiveness.
766
:He, he should be apologizing
767
:as well.
768
:Laura: yeah, for real.
769
:Like I
770
:Xhafer: forgiveness and asking
for forgiveness because they
771
:both owe that to each other.
772
:Her,
773
:Laura: definitely.
774
:Um, but Sharon also is talking
to Hilo because Meyer told
775
:her everything about Boomer.
776
:Apparently, somehow Meyer knew it all,
777
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
778
:Laura: And she's, you know, pretty upset
that Kelly got 30 days in the break.
779
:Xhafer: Yeah.
780
:I mean, they're arguing like uh, it's
because they don't see me as human.
781
:And it's all like, there is another
side to that, and I'm not saying that
782
:Sharon's take is wrong here because
they don't see her as human, but.
783
:They also see her as the enemy
and they're actively at war.
784
:Laura: Right.
785
:Xhafer: You know, like,
786
:Laura: that enemy did actually
shoot the commanding officer.
787
:Xhafer: yeah.
788
:It's not like Boomer didn't do anything,
you know, they didn't find out Boomer
789
:was a silent because of, you know,
she tripped, fell, and a little bit
790
:of robot parts spilled out of her
arm, you know, when she got hurt, you
791
:know, like she fucking shot Adama.
792
:Like
793
:Laura: Right,
794
:Xhafer: there's a lot more to it and they
think they play that down a lot to be all
795
:like, oh, it was this cold-blooded murder.
796
:It's all like, well, I'm
not saying it's great.
797
:I don't agree with how it was handled by
798
:Laura: For sure.
799
:Right.
800
:Xhafer: but
801
:there is more to the situation than that.
802
:You are oversimplifying.
803
:Laura: Right.
804
:And uh, teal can't stay
away from the hot stove.
805
:He decides to approach Sharon and ding.
806
:Number three, weird, creepy thing
Sharon does in this episode.
807
:She manipulates Tyrell and
says, wow, it's good to see you.
808
:Xhafer: It's, It's,
809
:a lot like, I feel like the
audience is Hilo in this moment.
810
:'cause we're just watching this super
awkward thing that we can't stop.
811
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
812
:Xhafer: Just like, oh God, uh mm.
813
:Like I'm making the same face as Helo is
making like, God, no, this is happening.
814
:It's okay.
815
:It's okay.
816
:It's, it'll be done in a minute.
817
:Laura: Because she obviously knew that
Boomer and Helo, or not Boomer and
818
:Helo, excuse me, boomer and Tyrell
were a thing because at the beginning
819
:of all the Sharon Hilo stuff, he was
like, well, I know you were with the
820
:chief, and she's knowledgeable of that.
821
:So,
822
:Xhafer: Yeah, like there, there is a
gap on like, some of it, like whether
823
:or not that gap's been filled and
that silent cloud download happened,
824
:whether there's just permanently a
gap because of when this Sharon woke
825
:up, maybe, you know, like I don't,
we don't know how it works exactly.
826
:Laura: right.
827
:She, we don't know that she knows
everything that Boomer and Teel were up
828
:to, but she knows there was something.
829
:So a hug is not an appropriate
way to handle this.
830
:If you wanna establish a
boundary with this person,
831
:Xhafer: gives him a
little kiss on the cheek.
832
:Laura: Uhhuh Uhhuh,
833
:shake his hand, don't hug and
kiss on the cheek, like that's
834
:manipulation right there.
835
:And I am not trusting it.
836
:Xhafer: yeah.
837
:Laura: I am unhappy.
838
:So, Zurich and Meyer discussed the
plan while taking a piss for a minute,
839
:Xhafer: Oh, yeah.
840
:Okay.
841
:I forgot
842
:that.
843
:Laura: Meyer tries to convince
Zurich that we should just
844
:kill everyone and take over.
845
:And Zurich is like,
fucking let it go, guy.
846
:Like, this is, this is not healthy.
847
:And then Rosalyn and Adama
talk a little bit about what
848
:Starbucks said about Caprica
849
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
850
:Laura: and.
851
:Rosalyn is feeling very guilty
for deciding to leave everyone.
852
:Xhafer: Yeah.
853
:Laura: but Adama says, no, we
made this decision together.
854
:And it was right, like if, because I
think Adama did wanna go back and fight,
855
:Xhafer: He did.
856
:Laura: and she said, we can't do that.
857
:he says that every day since they
left is a gift from Rosalyn to him
858
:because that was the right choice.
859
:And they're still here because
they left not, you know, because
860
:they tried to go back and fight.
861
:They wouldn't be here.
862
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
863
:Laura: So I think that's important too.
864
:Like she's second guessing herself,
but Adama is like, no, you don't need
865
:to second guess yourself over this.
866
:Xhafer: Yeah.
867
:No, this was, you made the
right decision for sure.
868
:Sharon tells Meyer she's gonna
kill Papa Damo while he kills Lee.
869
:Shortly after they find the tomb.
870
:The guns get drawn.
871
:Sharon kills Meyer.
872
:Lee kills another one of Zarik
Koons, and then Sharon kind of like
873
:has her gun on Adama for a second.
874
:And everyone's really tense and she's
all like, Hey, I'm not programmed.
875
:I, I'm not, I'm not Boomer, right?
876
:I'm Sharon, but I'm not Boomer.
877
:Uh, I don't have any deep programming.
878
:My decisions are my own.
879
:I'm making a decision right now and
I want you to remember that this is
880
:my decision and hands him her gun.
881
:Laura: Yeah.
882
:But would she a hundred percent
know if she had deep programming?
883
:Xhafer: Well, what, what would, what would
a silent, like who's lying say would they,
884
:Laura: Right?
885
:Xhafer: you know, it's like,
oh, every silent says they don't
886
:have deep programming to override
whatever they're gonna do.
887
:Because, I mean, even Sharon didn't
know, like Bo well, boomer didn't know.
888
:That was the whole point is
she was struggling with that
889
:for so long as a character.
890
:You know, that's why she
tried to kill herself.
891
:'cause she knew she was gonna
hurt somebody on the ship.
892
:Laura: this, Sharon, like has no reason
to, to know, be like, oh yeah, I know
893
:I don't have any deep programming.
894
:'cause it's like the other
one didn't know either.
895
:Xhafer: Yeah.
896
:Laura: I don't know, don't
like it, don't trust it.
897
:But yeah, she's like, no, Meyer
was, was gonna kill you at all.
898
:And I got the gun and I killed him.
899
:So I'm, I'm a good guy.
900
:And then Meyer like dies in Zurich's
arms, which isn't suspicious at all.
901
:Claiming that he just wanted
to see him get his due respect.
902
:Xhafer: Yeah.
903
:Yeah.
904
:Zurich's all, like I told
you not to do anything.
905
:Right.
906
:Look at how innocent I am
guys as his buddy dies.
907
:Laura: I mean, to give Sarah some credit,
he was like, no, I don't wanna do this.
908
:But still,
909
:Xhafer: Yeah.
910
:Laura: this next part where we're trying
to figure out how to open the door and
911
:Sharon's like rubbing the door with the
arrow and like trying to figure, I'm
912
:like, this is, this is humans right there.
913
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm.
914
:Laura: I don't see where to put it in.
915
:Like, I don't know what to do with this.
916
:And then like, adama's, like, well just
Lee and Hilo like, help me with this.
917
:And they shove it open.
918
:Xhafer: I'm just gonna push this open.
919
:It's fine.
920
:They find statues representing
the colonies inside.
921
:They place the arrow on Sari on
the archer's bow, and when they
922
:do, the door closes and they
find themselves transported.
923
:Starbucks has the best line
here where they're just like,
924
:I thought we were at the tomb.
925
:And she's all like, I think we
we're just not in the lobby anymore.
926
:Laura: Yeah.
927
:Xhafer: So good.
928
:Laura: Yeah.
929
:So is this like Stonehenge on earth?
930
:Is that what we're
trying to make you think?
931
:Xhafer: I mean, there are stone monoliths.
932
:That are very Stonehenge esque, but
they're not connect like Stonehenge
933
:has the ring that connects them.
934
:So it's not like actual Stonehenge,
but it is definitely meant to invoke
935
:like old ass stone age ruins for sure.
936
:Having just like seen a bunch of
these in Malta like three weeks ago.
937
:Yeah, a hundred percent.
938
:Nailed it.
939
:Laura: Yeah.
940
:Yeah.
941
:And Starbuck is the one who puts
it together first and realizes
942
:that like, oh, we can see all the
constellations and this, this is Earth.
943
:So we're standing on the place.
944
:We need to find the place
that has this star pattern.
945
:Xhafer: Yeah.
946
:Rosalyn has says something super
interesting here 'cause she's like,
947
:well, if we call them, you know,
like these formations were all
948
:on the colonies, original flags.
949
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
950
:Xhafer: years ago, and they're
going by their ancient names,
951
:not their modern names, you know,
Aries and Leo and cancer and stuff.
952
:You know, our constellations,
um, are astrology, so,
953
:Laura: Yeah.
954
:Xhafer: yeah.
955
:Super interesting.
956
:Laura: I have a question
about constellations, though,
957
:Xhafer: Yeah, go for it.
958
:I don't know if I have an answer, but,
959
:Laura: isn't the way the Constellation
960
:Xhafer: oh, you can't see them all at
961
:Laura: on
962
:Xhafer: time, if that's your
963
:Laura: Well, there's that, that
there's that, but also isn't the way
964
:a group of stars would look together
highly dependent on where you are.
965
:Xhafer: Yes.
966
:Laura: So if I'm like not in our
solar system, I don't know that
967
:I would see Sagittarius, right?
968
:Xhafer: I would think
that hype, aesthetically.
969
:With a powerful enough computer, you could
do find places where certain patterns of
970
:stars existed because you like knowing
where all the stars are is like the
971
:easiest part of mapping the galaxy, right?
972
:So if you can go there, you can
probably figure out what solar
973
:system, maybe if this were like a a
hundred percent accurate depiction
974
:of the sky, you might be able to go
these stars this, you know, and know
975
:that that's a view from my planet.
976
:So the stars would look like this from
there, and then mathematically cut a cross
977
:section of where all the known stars are.
978
:To get something that lines up
with that, you might have options,
979
:Laura: Yeah.
980
:Xhafer: um, especially if you've only
got like a point in time and a frame that
981
:would make it very hard to figure out.
982
:But.
983
:They, they see the nebula, which at the
very least gives them a direction ahead.
984
:I guess they have to be in a
part of the, the, the galaxy
985
:where that nebula is visible.
986
:Laura: I think maybe I'm overthinking
it because I was thinking of
987
:it as like we've, we've seen
Sagittarius from our colonies.
988
:Right?
989
:Have they actually, or are they
just realizing that like, oh,
990
:these stars together, go with this
pattern that goes with Sagittarian?
991
:Xhafer: Yeah.
992
:I, I don't think that, like you
saw Sagittarius from Sagittarian,
993
:Laura: okay.
994
:'cause I was like, I don't think
that, I think the constellations
995
:are dependent on POV.
996
:Right?
997
:So if I'm somewhere else, I'm not
gonna see that cluster of stars
998
:in that same pattern and be like,
that's obviously Sagittarius.
999
:Xhafer: I would expect most
of the constellations to be.
:
00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:33,595
Close enough from like a Mars
:
00:45:35,095 --> 00:45:36,115
or a Venus,
:
00:45:36,625 --> 00:45:36,925
Laura: yeah.
:
00:45:37,135 --> 00:45:37,675
Xhafer: not
:
00:45:38,035 --> 00:45:41,605
definitively, not from like
a alpha cent to, you know,
:
00:45:42,445 --> 00:45:44,755
a couple or 12 B, they're
gonna look very different.
:
00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:46,075
Laura: yeah, yeah.
:
00:45:46,165 --> 00:45:46,495
Okay.
:
00:45:46,705 --> 00:45:52,315
But I, I guess I had been thinking
of the colonies as like, they are
:
00:45:52,315 --> 00:45:55,975
aware of the constellations, and
so I was like, I don't, this isn't
:
00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:59,575
making any sense anymore, but
they're, they're aware of the names,
:
00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,195
they know The
:
00:46:01,195 --> 00:46:05,215
patterns, the shapes, but they
didn't realize that they were like
:
00:46:05,215 --> 00:46:10,585
star patterns until this moment when
we're on, on earth looking at them.
:
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:14,305
Xhafer: yeah, when Starbucks goes,
you know, they saw their 12 brothers
:
00:46:14,305 --> 00:46:19,435
and sisters in the heavens, that's
when it's like, oh, constellations.
:
00:46:19,885 --> 00:46:20,395
Fuck.
:
00:46:21,625 --> 00:46:22,045
Laura: Okay.
:
00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:22,795
Alright.
:
00:46:22,795 --> 00:46:25,820
I will allow this, but I was
very confused for a little
:
00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:26,020
bit.
:
00:46:26,888 --> 00:46:29,978
Xhafer: we recognizes that
Nebula to start on their search.
:
00:46:30,518 --> 00:46:33,758
And Starbuck, as I mentioned,
posits that they're actually
:
00:46:33,758 --> 00:46:35,378
standing on earth right now.
:
00:46:35,888 --> 00:46:40,028
And then we cut over to Adama doing
a big speech with the reunited fleet,
:
00:46:40,658 --> 00:46:42,338
just like the end of the mini series.
:
00:46:42,338 --> 00:46:45,938
Only instead of, so say we all,
it's clapping for introducing
:
00:46:45,938 --> 00:46:47,858
Laura as the president again.
:
00:46:48,968 --> 00:46:49,258
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:46:50,183 --> 00:46:52,043
Dad is back on board.
:
00:46:52,148 --> 00:46:52,568
Xhafer: Yep,
:
00:46:53,152 --> 00:46:54,652
Laura: Mom can still be president.
:
00:46:54,652 --> 00:46:56,092
I'll still be head of the military.
:
00:46:56,092 --> 00:46:57,232
We're all fine here.
:
00:46:57,232 --> 00:46:58,222
Everything's fine.
:
00:46:58,627 --> 00:46:58,867
Xhafer: yep.
:
00:46:59,689 --> 00:47:02,779
Laura: Except we are gonna keep
sharing in one of those cages.
:
00:47:03,184 --> 00:47:03,514
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:47:04,354 --> 00:47:05,854
As we cut over to Hilo.
:
00:47:06,394 --> 00:47:10,204
Who's visiting Sharon in the
cell they built for Boomer, Gais,
:
00:47:10,204 --> 00:47:14,434
overhears Sharon, talking about
their baby being born in a cell.
:
00:47:14,824 --> 00:47:17,764
And this is where six PT
shows up in the dress.
:
00:47:18,244 --> 00:47:21,244
To be all told you so.
:
00:47:21,797 --> 00:47:22,517
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:47:22,817 --> 00:47:27,557
GAAS tries one more time to
demand to know who or what she is.
:
00:47:27,797 --> 00:47:29,237
Like she's not a computer chip.
:
00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:30,137
We figured that out.
:
00:47:30,137 --> 00:47:35,842
There's definitely not a chip in the
brain, but six PT doesn't need a chip.
:
00:47:36,112 --> 00:47:37,612
Like we, I don't know.
:
00:47:37,852 --> 00:47:41,092
We've, we've seen that silences are
extremely meaty, like they might
:
00:47:41,092 --> 00:47:44,722
know to how, how to hack human
meat without actual physical chip.
:
00:47:45,127 --> 00:47:45,787
Xhafer: That's fair.
:
00:47:45,847 --> 00:47:46,147
Yeah.
:
00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:49,397
I mean, she gives him an answer
whether or not you believe it.
:
00:47:49,397 --> 00:47:54,827
She says that she's an angel sent
by the one true God to lead gais
:
00:47:55,127 --> 00:47:57,017
to the end of the human race.
:
00:47:57,528 --> 00:48:01,609
Laura: Yeah, like to the end of the
human race or to end the human race
:
00:48:03,343 --> 00:48:03,793
Xhafer: Uh, yeah.
:
00:48:03,793 --> 00:48:03,883
Hmm.
:
00:48:04,663 --> 00:48:10,157
Laura: Um, little worried now again,
if there is an actual pregnancy
:
00:48:10,157 --> 00:48:12,227
here, an actual silent baby.
:
00:48:13,037 --> 00:48:17,357
You know, GAAS was flipping
out in that vision where Adama
:
00:48:17,357 --> 00:48:19,247
was gonna destroy the baby.
:
00:48:19,277 --> 00:48:23,357
And six PT said, Adama will kill our baby.
:
00:48:24,257 --> 00:48:28,237
yeah, can see Gaas may
be doing some rash things
:
00:48:28,917 --> 00:48:29,267
Xhafer: Maybe
:
00:48:29,277 --> 00:48:32,877
Laura: in response to that, the
way he freaked out at that dream.
:
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:34,917
Xhafer: depends a lot on how
much he believes right now.
:
00:48:36,357 --> 00:48:36,717
Laura: oh man.
:
00:48:36,717 --> 00:48:37,887
And I don't even freaking know.
:
00:48:38,892 --> 00:48:43,507
But it also seems like maybe
Adama's kind of like softening on
:
00:48:43,986 --> 00:48:44,316
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:48:45,066 --> 00:48:49,176
Laura: some stuff with, because
he didn't like kill Sharon.
:
00:48:49,386 --> 00:48:50,736
He didn't airlock her.
:
00:48:51,624 --> 00:48:53,394
Rosalyn didn't get to airlock her.
:
00:48:54,234 --> 00:48:54,444
Like,
:
00:48:55,734 --> 00:48:56,394
I don't know.
:
00:49:00,189 --> 00:49:00,399
Xhafer: All
:
00:49:00,654 --> 00:49:01,614
Laura: I don't know what to think.
:
00:49:01,809 --> 00:49:04,809
Xhafer: well we can talk about it a
little bit more 'cause we gotta talk
:
00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:06,429
about how we feel about this episode.
:
00:49:06,429 --> 00:49:08,559
On a scale of one to 12 colonies,
:
00:49:09,141 --> 00:49:09,501
Laura: Hmm.
:
00:49:10,926 --> 00:49:11,706
Xhafer: what are you thinking?
:
00:49:14,498 --> 00:49:16,203
Laura: I mean, it wasn't a bad episode.
:
00:49:16,994 --> 00:49:18,934
Xhafer: That, that it.
:
00:49:22,244 --> 00:49:24,734
Laura: I guess I'm not as high
on it as some of the others.
:
00:49:24,734 --> 00:49:27,514
Like, you'd think I would be
really satisfied with some
:
00:49:27,514 --> 00:49:29,074
resolution, but I'm not.
:
00:49:29,776 --> 00:49:31,126
maybe, maybe a nine.
:
00:49:32,101 --> 00:49:33,421
Xhafer: Yeah, I, I love
:
00:49:33,496 --> 00:49:33,826
Laura: yeah.
:
00:49:35,021 --> 00:49:35,591
Xhafer: I think this
:
00:49:35,726 --> 00:49:36,746
Laura: The tomb is fun.
:
00:49:37,691 --> 00:49:43,541
Xhafer: this is the best episode
of this season before episode 10.
:
00:49:45,176 --> 00:49:46,106
Laura: Oh, geez.
:
00:49:47,201 --> 00:49:47,621
Xhafer: I'll say
:
00:49:47,846 --> 00:49:50,636
Laura: Start starting to have
anxiety about episode 10.
:
00:49:50,981 --> 00:49:51,671
Xhafer: You should.
:
00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:54,311
Um, yeah.
:
00:49:54,421 --> 00:49:55,321
No, I really like this one.
:
00:49:55,321 --> 00:49:56,671
I'm gonna give this an 11 outta 12.
:
00:49:56,731 --> 00:50:03,541
Um, we see Adama having to
like, reach out and be a person
:
00:50:03,901 --> 00:50:07,471
and, you know, there's
a lot I really like.
:
00:50:07,521 --> 00:50:12,351
It's not a perfect resolution with
him and Rosalyn, nor should it be.
:
00:50:12,811 --> 00:50:17,251
So that was great to see, um,
them interact like that and in
:
00:50:17,251 --> 00:50:19,651
a way that is more believable.
:
00:50:20,341 --> 00:50:25,981
I feel than you know, a lesser TV show
would've just had them set all of their
:
00:50:25,981 --> 00:50:29,581
problems aside and move on with their
lives, and they would've said everything
:
00:50:29,581 --> 00:50:31,201
that they needed to for that to happen.
:
00:50:31,951 --> 00:50:34,291
And that is not what happens here.
:
00:50:35,041 --> 00:50:38,551
They agree to move forward and they
agree to move forward together in a way
:
00:50:38,551 --> 00:50:44,161
where they can recognize each other as
a strength instead of an adversary, but
:
00:50:44,161 --> 00:50:47,431
they do not solve all of their problems.
:
00:50:47,581 --> 00:50:49,801
And that's one of the things
that makes this show good.
:
00:50:50,611 --> 00:50:51,061
Laura: yeah.
:
00:50:51,181 --> 00:50:54,061
I, I love the DAMA Roslyn resolution.
:
00:50:54,391 --> 00:50:58,651
I think the thing that's
dragging me down is that nothing
:
00:50:58,651 --> 00:51:00,511
with Sharon feels satisfying.
:
00:51:01,351 --> 00:51:05,821
It should feel satisfying that like, oh
look, she turned the gun, she shot the
:
00:51:05,821 --> 00:51:10,081
bad guy, and she gave a doma the gun
and, and like submitted to his will.
:
00:51:10,681 --> 00:51:14,401
But she did several
suspicious things before that
:
00:51:15,064 --> 00:51:15,354
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:51:15,799 --> 00:51:16,669
Laura: and uh,
:
00:51:17,568 --> 00:51:24,438
I don't feel good about her in the cage.
:
00:51:24,588 --> 00:51:27,648
Like, let me try to be
more articulate about that.
:
00:51:28,366 --> 00:51:32,236
you know, it'd be one thing if I felt like
she was just like, this is, this is it.
:
00:51:32,626 --> 00:51:37,126
I am going to prove myself,
do my time in this cage.
:
00:51:37,186 --> 00:51:43,606
And instead she's just kind of whining
about my baby's gonna be born in a cage.
:
00:51:44,236 --> 00:51:44,866
And
:
00:51:45,286 --> 00:51:46,636
Xhafer: me Hilo.
:
00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,326
Laura: yeah, it still
feels really manipulative.
:
00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:52,906
So I don't know.
:
00:51:54,046 --> 00:51:54,886
I don't like it.
:
00:51:56,056 --> 00:51:56,356
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:51:56,536 --> 00:51:56,686
No.
:
00:51:56,686 --> 00:52:00,676
Should you that's stuff I really like
about this episode because the level
:
00:52:00,676 --> 00:52:03,766
of ambiguity they put around Sharon.
:
00:52:04,351 --> 00:52:05,311
Is required.
:
00:52:05,641 --> 00:52:09,511
Because if they just made you, if they
went out of your, their way to be all like
:
00:52:09,511 --> 00:52:12,661
No, this Sharon's trustable and all this
:
00:52:12,676 --> 00:52:14,086
Laura: This is the good silent.
:
00:52:14,086 --> 00:52:15,136
This is the good one.
:
00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:15,526
Yeah.
:
00:52:15,691 --> 00:52:16,261
Xhafer: yeah.
:
00:52:16,801 --> 00:52:22,591
Like if we had gotten scenes of her,
like actively betraying the cylons back
:
00:52:22,651 --> 00:52:28,501
on Caprica to know that she had actually
broke ties in a way that was believable
:
00:52:28,501 --> 00:52:34,741
to us as a viewer and not like something
that was staged for Hilos benefit.
:
00:52:35,171 --> 00:52:35,591
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:52:36,571 --> 00:52:40,501
Xhafer: You know, like if we had gotten
true resolution on some of that stuff
:
00:52:40,501 --> 00:52:44,731
instead of just a, they don't seem
to be particularly happy, but this
:
00:52:44,731 --> 00:52:46,771
could all still be some Cy bullshit.
:
00:52:47,298 --> 00:52:50,898
you know, then I don't think she's
as interesting as a character.
:
00:52:51,558 --> 00:52:54,768
Laura: We really don't know where
she went when she took that raider.
:
00:52:54,768 --> 00:52:55,278
Do we?
:
00:52:55,518 --> 00:52:55,878
Xhafer: No.
:
00:52:56,958 --> 00:53:03,348
Laura: Like, it's, they, they want
you to think that she just went and
:
00:53:03,348 --> 00:53:08,238
fucked off and hid for a little while
and then showed back up when she had
:
00:53:08,238 --> 00:53:10,248
something useful and helpful to do
:
00:53:10,338 --> 00:53:11,298
Xhafer: That'd be real convenient.
:
00:53:11,784 --> 00:53:12,054
Laura: it.
:
00:53:12,144 --> 00:53:14,064
It would be way too convenient, wouldn't
:
00:53:14,064 --> 00:53:14,274
it?
:
00:53:15,504 --> 00:53:19,884
Like, it seems like the, the
other cylon should really be able
:
00:53:19,884 --> 00:53:21,714
to easily find another cylon.
:
00:53:21,714 --> 00:53:24,324
Like it should be hard for her to hide.
:
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,239
And now suddenly I'm a little
worried about her being on galactic.
:
00:53:29,859 --> 00:53:30,189
Xhafer: yeah.
:
00:53:30,879 --> 00:53:33,879
Well, I mean, there's eight
silences in the fleet.
:
00:53:33,879 --> 00:53:34,479
I guess nine
:
00:53:34,779 --> 00:53:35,439
Laura: That's true.
:
00:53:36,459 --> 00:53:39,009
Xhafer: Well, eight again, if
she counted herself before.
:
00:53:39,609 --> 00:53:39,819
Laura: yeah.
:
00:53:39,819 --> 00:53:40,479
Who knows.
:
00:53:41,409 --> 00:53:43,599
Who knows if that was
even a good number, like.
:
00:53:44,019 --> 00:53:44,859
Xhafer: I wouldn't trust it.
:
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,579
Laura: I wouldn't trust it, but
Gaia seemed to like explicitly trust
:
00:53:48,579 --> 00:53:50,409
it and it's like, but why, man?
:
00:53:50,464 --> 00:53:50,754
Xhafer: Yeah.
:
00:53:51,879 --> 00:53:53,139
She was under duress.
:
00:53:53,139 --> 00:53:55,509
That's the only time
people tell the truth.
:
00:53:56,409 --> 00:53:57,099
Right?
:
00:53:57,579 --> 00:53:57,759
Right.
:
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,359
Duh God torture and tv.
:
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:07,636
Anyways yeah, so this next episode,
you got season two, episode eight.
:
00:54:08,366 --> 00:54:10,076
This is not in the preview notes.
:
00:54:10,076 --> 00:54:12,116
This is my little note here.
:
00:54:12,626 --> 00:54:15,026
It's a Babylon five did it episode
:
00:54:16,067 --> 00:54:16,774
Laura: Okay.
:
00:54:17,004 --> 00:54:21,174
Xhafer: reporter is sent to
Galactica to chronicle the harsh
:
00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:23,244
realities of life during wartime.
:
00:54:23,514 --> 00:54:24,984
Laura: Oh my God.
:
00:54:25,254 --> 00:54:27,384
IS N's coming on board.
:
00:54:27,744 --> 00:54:27,954
Xhafer: Yep.
:
00:54:30,834 --> 00:54:33,774
And it's fun because the episode
after this is a Star Trek, Voyager
:
00:54:33,774 --> 00:54:36,564
did an episode, but we'll get to that
:
00:54:37,194 --> 00:54:37,974
next week.
:
00:54:38,124 --> 00:54:38,544
Well, two
:
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:39,009
Laura: Okay.
:
00:54:39,729 --> 00:54:44,959
I'm a little apprehensive about episode
10 now based on many things you have said,
:
00:54:45,379 --> 00:54:47,179
but I am looking forward to
:
00:54:47,299 --> 00:54:49,429
Xhafer: I I can't wait.
:
00:54:49,459 --> 00:54:53,869
I am so excited to get to that episode.
:
00:54:56,269 --> 00:54:57,049
Laura: I am stressed out now.
:
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,619
Xhafer: Ben called Dibs on that
episode before he called Dibs on his
:
00:55:00,619 --> 00:55:02,959
season one episode, or maybe not.
:
00:55:03,139 --> 00:55:04,429
No, no.
:
00:55:04,429 --> 00:55:07,189
He called 33 real quick, but I
think he, these were like the two
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episodes out of the entire show.
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He was all like this one and this one
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Laura: Must haves.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Xhafer: So
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Laura: Next time.
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Xhafer: next time, but before we
get to next time, we should probably
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say a couple of thank yous for this
time, like Jeremy, Jeremy Siegel
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composing our lovely theme music.
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Thanks so much, Jeremy.
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You can find more Jeremy's work at
Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com
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and on streaming services, ASUA Jaguar.
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Laura: And thank you to Angry
Duck Time machine on Instagram
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for our podcast artwork.
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Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for
editing this podcast and taking
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out my incoherent babbling.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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Laura: And thank you listener for being
here with us as we go for more survivors
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and silences in Battlestar Galactica.
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If you want to discuss further,
if you are someone who's already
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seen the whole series, you can hop
into our discord into Spoiler Town.
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Or if you're like me and you haven't
seen it all and you wanna be unspoiled
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on everything, just hang out with
me everywhere else in the Discord.
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Xhafer: All right,
we'll see you next week.
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Internet.
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Laura: bye.
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Xhafer: Bye.