Episode 173

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Published on:

28th May 2025

BSG S2E7 - A Lot of Fee-fees on Kobol

Laura and Xhafer question AI's Googling ability. Laura wonders about Cylon god. Xhafer plays a numbers game. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 7: Home Part 2.

Join us for more discussion on the Discord @ https://discord.gg/MUHKDDk6TN

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Laura:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of former

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strangers who are now friends watching

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I'm Laura

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Xhafer: And I'm Jair.

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Laura: and we get to

talk reunification today.

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Ge Fair.

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Xhafer: We're Star Trek,

TNG, season four episode.

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Oh God, I don't even know if I'm in the

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Laura: Google.

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Google.

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Google.

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Xhafer: I want to say seven.

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Season five, episode seven.

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Damn.

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So close.

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Laura: You were really close.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: You messed up the, the thing

that should have been easier to

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get than the one that was harder

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to get.

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I'm impressed.

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Xhafer: I just remember that it was the

year that undiscovered country came out.

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I guess I could have sat and figured it

out rather than shooting from the hip.

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Laura: I feel like there's gotta

be more than one Star Trek episode

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called Reunification, but maybe not.

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Xhafer: It might not even

be reunification, it might

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just be reunification.

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That would actually make more

sense than reunification, but

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neither here nor there.

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Uh, Before we get into this episode,

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I did want to briefly mention

that there's, in the last time on

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Bit, they did, they did a fool.

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You moment, I don't know if you know

caught this, but they do the voice

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from the back of the head when Zurich's

talking to mayor and they use a different

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light of dialogue than what was in

the scene from the previous episode.

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They dub it over and they, the guy

who's supposed to be speaking is Meyer,

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and it's not even the same actor.

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Laura: wow, okay.

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Yeah, no, I didn't catch that.

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I thought I caught one unusual moment,

and I don't know if this actually happened

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or not, but when they're showing the

last time on of like Boomer getting

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shot, someone like yells Callie shot her

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and I was

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Xhafer: I don't think that

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Laura: I don't, I don't

think that happened.

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And I think they were just doing it to

like, by the way, it was Callie, remember.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, the thing where they were,

the conversation that Zurich and Meyer

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were having was about killing Lee, but

they weren't saying Lee's name on purpose.

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They were being super cagey where

it's all like, oh, someone's

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gonna die on the surface.

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And then like the line they dubbed over

and that someone is Captain Apollo,

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but it wasn't Meyer's voice and it

was like showing the back of his head

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Laura: That's hysterical.

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I didn't notice that one, but

the, the Cali shot her, I was

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like pretty sure that, no one ever

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Xhafer: you know, I didn't think about it.

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But the second you said it, I recognized

that as the truth is what happened

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that did not happen in that scene.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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That's fun though.

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I like, I mean, I, I get it.

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Sometimes you gotta add a little

something to make it clear if you

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don't remember from a week ago what

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Xhafer: I mean, we were warned

that this show does this.

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I don't, I never caught any of

this in the first run through

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when it was airing originally.

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But Ryan told us, right, that this

is, the show does this sometimes,

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so

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Laura: think it was Ryan.

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Yeah.

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But see, look, I need someone to come up

and, and tell me with a different actor's

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voice, please use an Australian accent.

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That'll be important.

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No, we, we've gotta come back together.

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We're watching season two,

episode seven, home part two.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We open on those bear strings.

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Bear McCreary, just, man, the soundtrack

in this season is so, I mean, it, the

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soundtrack in this show is so good,

but specifically the soundtrack in

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this season, I think is my favorite.

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Laura: Very strong.

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Xhafer: Very good.

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Everyone is hiking in the rain on cobol.

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We're cutting back and forth

between here and Galactica where

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they're trying to figure out their

path and discussing the plan.

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Kind of, they're like

going back and forth.

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It's like, oh, they might follow this.

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And we see a little bit of them going

on that way, and they're like, oh,

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well what are we gonna do and do is

all like, well, we're gonna do a low

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atmosphere or a high atmosphere jump.

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And Gada is immediately

like, we can't do that.

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The ship is way too big for that.

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What are you fucking talking about?

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He's like, well, I'm going in a raptor.

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Laura: Yeah.

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He's like, we're only taking the

people we absolutely need to take.

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Like, we're not risking any more lives.

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We never figured out the blood ebitda, so

we're just gonna take a couple of people

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: and uh, it's raining on cobol.

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I think that's very important because

we have a lot of feelings on cobol.

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Xhafer: There's a lot of

fifis on COBOL right now.

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but yeah, so they, they decided

they're take in the Raptor and

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we go to theme survivor count.

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We're down three 47,855.

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This is a lota and two

red shirts on the surface.

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I have a thing written down here, Laura.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: Um, we're not quite halfway

through the season, but the halfway point

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of the season is before the halfway point

in number of episodes, in my opinion.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: I think the halfway point is

in between nine and 10 instead of 10

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and 11 for well, it's because spoily

tens is gonna end in a big cliffhanger.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: Um, and I don't want to, like,

I was thinking about moving the movie

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break to be between nine and 10, and

while it was going over all of this

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stuff, I thought it might be fun at the

halfway point of the season or somewhere

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abouts, like Now since we're talking about

the survivor count, we've been talking

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about the survivor count every episode.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: what do you think the difference

is going to from now, 47 8 55?

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I don't want you to guess the number

we're gonna be at, at the end of

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season two, but I want you to guess

how much of a change there is.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Okay.

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Like a percentage.

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Xhafer: Um, you could do a percentage,

you could do a total number.

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Um, I have the, I have the

actual number written down.

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The difference,

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Laura: okay.

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And you're not gonna tell me?

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Xhafer: not gonna tell you.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Um, but I will give you

a very ambiguous hot, cold answer

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based off of the percentage.

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Let's say that,

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Laura: yeah.

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Well, it's not going up, right?

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Xhafer: real quick.

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Laura: Oh, I guess it can go up because we

can go back and get people off of Caprica.

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Xhafer: So I'm, I'm, I did

just write down the flat, total

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change between the numbers.

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I'm using absolute values for

everything for the sake of

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giving you less information.

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So we'll just say it's absolute values.

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Total change.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Well.

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I'm a little afraid.

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Let me do, let me do a

little calculator here.

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What would a 25% drop be?

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25% drop would be about 35,000 8 91.

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Xhafer: a lot.

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Laura: It's a lot.

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I have a feeling this show

would do that to me though.

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Xhafer: Would it do it to you

by the end of the season though?

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Laura: Well, okay, so

there's four seasons, right?

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I think it would do this to me.

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Clear the old calculator.

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Try again.

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what if we had a 20% drop?

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That'd be about 38,284, and then we gain

maybe 5% by rescuing everyone on Caprica.

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That'd be a 15%, that'd be about 40,000.

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Xhafer: So you think

in a 15% change overall

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by the end of this season.

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Laura: I'm gonna say 15 to 20.

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I'm gonna give it a nice little like

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: range.

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That's overall change, not including,

like, we might individually drop more,

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but we gain some from Caprica Africa.

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Xhafer: I will say you're very cold.

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Laura: Oh, no.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Ah, that was fun.

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I've been thinking about how

to do that for like three

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weeks in the back of my head.

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Like, oh, I know I want to do it.

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I don't wanna, I don't know exactly

when, what would be a good episode two?

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Laura: do it?

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How do I structure it

where it's not spoily?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Structuring it like, like the, the

decision to say absolute values off

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the top was what I made very early on.

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I,

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Laura: yeah,

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Xhafer: will say that it

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Laura: yeah.

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But I don't see us gaining any significant

amount of people during this season.

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Like

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Xhafer: well,

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Laura: yeah.

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If, if we managed to not

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lose

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Xhafer: hundred people on Caprica, right?

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Like, I mean, I mean there's

how many women in the uh,

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the farms did Sharon tell us?

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Thousands.

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Laura: said thousands.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: So there, there's

a possibility there.

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Um, for some, for some growth as it

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Laura: Yeah.

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But I, it's still, it's

not gonna be a 15% growth.

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That's

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Xhafer: Now.

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Laura: outta line I think.

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Xhafer: So, well, I mean, presumably

the gro growth would offset the deaths,

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Laura: Right,

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Xhafer: know, so,

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Laura: right.

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Xhafer: okay.

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Well that was fun.

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Laura: Jair is doing a little dance.

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Everyone, he had a, a good time.

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Xhafer: did, there are people who

are going to listen to the first 10

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minutes of this episode like three

times because of the thing I just did.

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Laura: They're gonna, they're gonna go

do some Googling and they're gonna do a

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little math and they're gonna have some

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fun.

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Xhafer: someone's gonna have some fun.

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It'll be good.

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Um,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, did we say Adama was going himself?

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Like he said, I have to go get Rosalyn

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Xhafer: am

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Laura: because Yeah,

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Xhafer: And he's like, don't

even try to argue with me Saul.

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Like, like Ty would go,

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Laura: yeah.

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please.

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please.

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He's a coward.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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I think it's right Adama's.

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Like I'm the one who broke this

party up basically when I arrested

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Rosalyn in the first place.

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So I gotta do this thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Sharon's leading the way.

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When we come back from theme here,

it is too far to make it in one day.

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So Rosalyn wants to push a bit

further before they set up camp.

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And then Baltar is in the silent holding

cell with a, for some reason, naked six.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Um, before this, I wanna talk a

little bit about what Sharon says

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Go for

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Laura: So Sharon's like hypothesizing

about the gates and I think it's

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maybe her and Hilo talking about

how the silos believe in one God.

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And I think she says something

about the human gods are false gods.

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Xhafer: Very In line with

some of the language.

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Six PT is used.

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Laura: Yes.

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And Sharon tells them that she knows

more about their religion than they

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do and says whoever Athena was like,

she doesn't believe she was real or

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doesn't think well, she definitely

doesn't think of her as, as a religious

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deity figure, so.

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right.

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right.

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Xhafer: if, if Athena was

a person, Athena wasn't

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Laura: I am so curious

about cylon God, like.

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I'm wondering if the show is gonna

reveal an actual silent God to me,

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and I think, I don't want that.

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Xhafer: Um, so,

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Not gonna give you any spoilers.

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Laura: okay.

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Xhafer: I will say in the original

series, there is a character

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who's kind of like silent God.

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Um, the cy in the original series

of silence were not made by humans.

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Laura: I didn't know that.

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Xhafer: They were made by wizard people.

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Laura: Oh, that's less

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Xhafer: and there is a like wizard person

who was like the guy who made the silence,

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who's like their god, but he's just like

the lizard person who made the silences.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, so, I guess what I'm

saying is be careful what you wish for.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't, I don't think

I want a silent God.

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I think that's less satisfying somehow.

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I don't know.

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I'm open to being surprised.

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Xhafer: I mean, I don't think it is a big

twist to say that in four Seasons two,

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two and a half seasons of the show that

are left we will learn more about silent

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society and, and religion and stuff.

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You know, I don't think that's, that's a

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Laura: There's no spoilers

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, so I mean, there

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Laura: being laid.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: As far as how detailed it gets.

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I mean, you'll see

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I won't say anything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I am very apprehensive about that.

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I don't know what to expect.

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Just like, I don't know

what to expect with Mr.

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Baltar here.

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Uh, We do a lot with

Baltar in this episode.

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We'd sort of forgotten

about him for a little bit.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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This is arguably a very

important Baltar episode.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I love how nothing is

answered for me really.

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Xhafer: Nothing is answered, but

also if you just take six PT at face

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value here, then you have an answer.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: if you want to trust six pt,

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Laura: Right.

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Do you wanna do that?

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You should never take your artificial

intelligence at face value.

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I

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Xhafer: Agreed.

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A hundred percent.

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Laura: always question what

you get back from Chicha GPT.

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Just even just a little bit.

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Xhafer: Man, the fact that people are

like using chat GPT instead of Googling

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things now blows my fucking mind.

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Just

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don't, don't do That Please.

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Laura: Well, I mean, just, just

doing a Google and getting the Google

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AI result at the top, you can see.

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That, like those ais

don't, don't Google well,

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Xhafer: no they don't.

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Laura: because you'll get

straight up wrong stuff.

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Google AI will say something totally wrong

and then there's all the search results

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right beneath it that contradict the thing

that it said like, don't do it people.

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Xhafer: I've found lately it's gotten

a little bit better because sometimes

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when I search something, it just quotes

the Wikipedia article at me and I will

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like go down one search result and see

the Wikipedia article preview and it's

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the exact text that the AI set above.

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but I'm still reading both

to note that that's the case.

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Laura: yeah.

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Important step.

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There's a fun article and I

wish I could remember exact.

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I think it might be The New Yorker.

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Or New York magazine.

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Are they the same thing?

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They're

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not.

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Right.

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Xhafer: they are.

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Laura: Right.

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I might be one of those two.

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That was like talking about I think they,

they throw chat GPT under the bus, but

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it's like chat GPT is ruining higher

education at an alarmingly fast rate.

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So of course I was like, well,

I have a vested interest in

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that, so I better listen to it.

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And uh, I don't know.

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Some of the things that they said, I'm

not sure I agree with, but some of it I'm

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like, yeah, I don't know how you fix this.

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Like, that's the thing, I, I did

have students before I went back

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when I was teaching adjunct, right.

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That would put their super low stakes,

like introduce yourself to a classmate

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prompt into chat GPT and then copy

and paste exactly what chat GPT said

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back and you could tell, because

there would be a thing of like, sure,

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I'll answer that for you at the top.

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And it's like if you can't even do

basic, like, okay, I'm gonna cut

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this here, I'm gonna edit this here.

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Like, I don't know how to help you.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Cognitive offloading is the, is the

term I hear thrown around pretty

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often in professional AI circles.

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Um, and it is, it is a real concern

because simultaneously there's a lot of

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people who are all, like, if you don't use

ai, you're only working 20% of your ap.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And I mean, some of that's

true, like I've done, you know,

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some quick programming stuff with

you knowis, that are built for it.

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: You know, it's like, yeah, okay.

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That, that sped me up a little

bit rather than fumbling through.

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Um, I like using chat GPT

to uh, troubleshoot Python

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that's not running properly.

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It tends to help me out there where it's

all like, oh, hey, you missed this comma

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or something, and these 500 lines of code.

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I'm like, cool.

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Good job, bro.

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That saved me an hour.

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Laura: exactly like

the, for the code stuff.

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I don't feel guilty about

using it for that at

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Um, you know, and it's like I still

know what everything's doing, um,

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to be able to get to that point.

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But at the same time, it's this cognitive

offloading the uh, letting your brain

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take a vacation while AI does your job,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: you know?

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Those are the people that are on

the precipice of being downsized.

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And so part of me wonders if, you

know, CEOs encouraging everyone to

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just rely on AI to do their jobs

is just a test to see if they could

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fire them and let AI do their jobs,

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Laura: Yeah, it's, it's a

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Xhafer: and and listener.

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I would suggest if your boss asks

you how much AI you use at work,

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you say very little regardless.

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Laura: And maybe throw in like, I've

tried, but it's so bad at what I do.

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Xhafer: A hundred percent.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaking of so bad six PT is wild

here in this episode, so yeah, she's,

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she's all naked in the, silent jail.

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Gaius is like suddenly over it and her and

says that she's not his fantasy anymore.

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There's no way a woman in his

head is bearing this mythical

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baby she's been talking about.

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And then he starts like ranting

about the show at the audience

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Xhafer: Uh, There is

an important note here,

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uh, that plays later in the episode,

which is she does say, I never said

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I was actually going to like bear

a physically bear a child guy, like

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Laura: Yeah,

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:

Xhafer: I'm speaking in

metaphors here, and that's when

423

:

Laura: let's go ahead and

drop that metaphor again.

424

:

Yeah.

425

:

Xhafer: Um, so yeah, Gaius gets fed up

at the ludicrous of ness of it all, and

426

:

when we cut back, this doesn't feel like

six pt to me, this feels like Trisha

427

:

Helfer begging for this storyline to end.

428

:

Laura: Yeah.

429

:

So speaking of metaphors, like we

cut back to six PT and she's gone

430

:

so full casual that you're like,

wait, is this the same actress?

431

:

You're, you're, you cut for a second and

you're like, was Gais just ranting at a

432

:

random crew member for some reason, like.

433

:

Xhafer: you start with just like

the back of her head and stuff,

434

:

and the hair's different, right?

435

:

And so it's like, it, it kind of

baits you in for that for a second.

436

:

Laura: she's in sweatpants and a

hoodie like we have never seen.

437

:

Xhafer: Her hair is normal.

438

:

She's not, you know, an

hour in the makeup chair.

439

:

Laura: yeah.

440

:

Xhafer: beholden

441

:

Laura: There's still

makeup, don't get me wrong.

442

:

Like for the natural look,

there's still makeup.

443

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

444

:

But it's uh, it's, it's not the, the

Hollywood full standard, I suppose.

445

:

I,

446

:

Laura: yeah.

447

:

And she tells him, dude,

I'm your psychosis.

448

:

Duh.

449

:

Xhafer: yeah.

450

:

Laura: You're just a psycho.

451

:

Like your brain broke when you found

out that you helped the silence, destroy

452

:

all of humanity, all of the 12 colonies,

and you're just, you can't cope anymore.

453

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

454

:

She's like, you crazy.

455

:

Fuck.

456

:

Men would rather hallucinate a

model to torture and fuck them

457

:

than go to therapy to deal with

their complicitness and genocide,

458

:

Laura: Yeah,

459

:

Xhafer: you know?

460

:

Laura: it's true.

461

:

It's true.

462

:

And he, this is the first time

he seems like really upset.

463

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

464

:

He's just like, fuck, wait, what?

465

:

No, I'm genius.

466

:

I can't be crazy.

467

:

Those two things never go hand in hand.

468

:

Laura: never happened before.

469

:

And so she taunts him.

470

:

Well just scan your brain.

471

:

If you just scan your brain,

you'll, you might find out, but you

472

:

might not like what you find out.

473

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

474

:

Hmm.

475

:

Laura: so on the Raptor, we're

taking Chief Terell again.

476

:

Xhafer: we got Tyrell.

477

:

I mean, he's a person

who's was out there, right?

478

:

Laura: I know.

479

:

Xhafer: I mean, if you think

about it, you know, Lee was on

480

:

the, on the surface, Lee's gone.

481

:

You know, he's with

482

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

483

:

Mm-hmm.

484

:

Xhafer: in jail.

485

:

Laura: Yeah.

486

:

30

487

:

Xhafer: Baltar.

488

:

Laura: No, no.

489

:

Why would we do that?

490

:

Xhafer: you're not.

491

:

I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't.

492

:

He's got other stuff to do this episode,

but also you wouldn't take him, you know?

493

:

And so your options are the medic who's

not gonna want to go, and the chief

494

:

who will do anything for the old man.

495

:

Laura: Yeah.

496

:

But poor Tyrel.

497

:

My God.

498

:

I, that, that's the thing I wrote down.

499

:

The second I saw him, I was

like, oh, no, Tiro again.

500

:

And then we cut to Poor Billy.

501

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

502

:

It's worth noting.

503

:

Racetrack is also on this ship.

504

:

Laura: Oh

505

:

Xhafer: in the back there because

racetrack is the one who faked the Raptor

506

:

poll so that Lee and the president could

escape and the President doesn't know.

507

:

And uh, Adam never found that out, so.

508

:

Laura: Oh yeah, that's right.

509

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

510

:

Laura: Oh,

511

:

Xhafer: Oh

512

:

indeed.

513

:

Laura: Adama asked Billy if he's

feeling okay about this, and he

514

:

is like, no, of course I'm not.

515

:

And then Adama just like puffs

him up with some straight up lies.

516

:

Like this conversation between Adam and

Rosalyn never happened that we know of.

517

:

Right.

518

:

Xhafer: Uh,

519

:

Laura: Adama tells Billy that, oh yeah,

she thinks you're presidential material.

520

:

Xhafer: I think she said that

he reminds her of a young aar.

521

:

I think I remember that.

522

:

But that might

523

:

Laura: I don't remember that conversation.

524

:

Xhafer: I might, I might just be

making it up 'cause he says it here.

525

:

I might be misremembering.

526

:

It might just be filling in the

527

:

Laura: idea.

528

:

I, I, I could see it, but

at the same time it's like I

529

:

could just be confabulating it.

530

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

531

:

The best part is he's like, I

wouldn't take it too seriously.

532

:

A dar was a moron.

533

:

Laura: Yeah.

534

:

Yeah.

535

:

But I don't think she ever said

he's presidential material.

536

:

Like Adama I think says

that which is like, okay.

537

:

But then we go straight into COBOL

at full GS and the leaf blowers

538

:

are just going at our faces.

539

:

Xhafer: A nice little halo jump, halo

style jump whatever the equivalent

540

:

of that would be for a spaceship.

541

:

it's interesting.

542

:

It's, it's cool to see, um, you know,

we're told that this is dangerous.

543

:

We're told that, you know, and

then we see the effect on the ship

544

:

and on all the people this risky

maneuver to dodge the sirens.

545

:

They aren't even there.

546

:

You know, the DRE is shows that

silences are not an orbit when

547

:

they get there, but they did not

know that until they were there.

548

:

So, you

549

:

Laura: Right.

550

:

Just because there's no silence

in orbit doesn't mean there's

551

:

no silence, like clearly.

552

:

Xhafer: Lee is very distressing of

Hilo and Sharon like Star Bes once

553

:

was and now she gets to deal with it

for Hilo instead of Hilo dealing with

554

:

it for her, which is a nice little

turnaround from several episodes ago.

555

:

Laura: Yeah.

556

:

Sharon is telling Hilo that like, you

know, I, I know I don't know everyone,

557

:

but I feel like I'm home with family now.

558

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

559

:

Yep.

560

:

Laura: I'm not comfortable.

561

:

Um, but speaking of not comfortable,

we're gonna talk about Zurich and

562

:

Meyer uh, discussing Rosalyn's mental

state as she like clutches her book.

563

:

Xhafer: Yeah, she's having a bad day.

564

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

565

:

Xhafer: you know, one of her

closest friends and advisors died.

566

:

So you know

567

:

Laura: Yeah.

568

:

Xhafer: that's a rough day.

569

:

And then also they don't say it, but

if she were to be having some Kamala

570

:

withdrawal side effects or something, you

know, she's been like squirreled away and

571

:

stuff, so who knows where that's at too.

572

:

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

573

:

Xhafer: Coddle in a bit, you know?

574

:

Laura: but Zurich is kind

of pulling out on the plan.

575

:

He's like, I don't, I don't

think we should kill Lee.

576

:

Like, this might not be the time.

577

:

And Meyer is just full steam ahead.

578

:

He does not want to back out of

579

:

Xhafer: We're gonna kill Lee or

we're gonna get that Cy to kill

580

:

Lee and then we'll kill that silent

581

:

like gonna do the thing.

582

:

Laura: Yeah.

583

:

He's going to play the pawns

he thinks against each other.

584

:

'Cause this has to happen.

585

:

And Zurich is like, well, no, let's not

do anything till we find the tomb like we.

586

:

We do have to do that.

587

:

That seems to be important.

588

:

Xhafer: Star bes pitches rescuing the

resistance to Roslyn as Sharon gives.

589

:

In 2005, I would've described it

as the worst gender reveal party,

590

:

but god damn is that going off

a cliff in the last 20 years?

591

:

Uh, as she tells Hilo, it's a girl.

592

:

Laura: I just don't trust this man.

593

:

Something about her face,

I was like, I see lies.

594

:

I don't see that this is a true thing.

595

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

596

:

Are you just racist

against silence, Laura?

597

:

Laura: I don't know.

598

:

Maybe.

599

:

Maybe I can't read their expressions.

600

:

but I was just like, I don't know.

601

:

I don't trust this face.

602

:

Xhafer: not supposed to trust her.

603

:

They, they do a very good job of

uh, of making you not trust her.

604

:

Laura: Yeah, like.

605

:

Sharon was explicitly good,

it would be clear, I think.

606

:

And it is definitely not, even

though we have moments in this

607

:

episode where it's like, we're gonna

establish her as the better, Sharon,

608

:

she's better.

609

:

I'm still not like

everything I'm questioning.

610

:

Xhafer: No, that's, that's what

you're supposed to be doing.

611

:

That, that's what all of

the characters are doing,

612

:

Laura: yeah.

613

:

Hilo is surprised to silence

by the revelation that it's

614

:

a girl and that she can tell.

615

:

So,

616

:

Xhafer: She just knows.

617

:

Laura: But Rosalyn never committed

to a rescue mission on Caprica.

618

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

619

:

Laura: She says, we've

gotta do this thing first.

620

:

Xhafer: yeah.

621

:

We'll figure it out later.

622

:

Laura: I mean, she's a politician too.

623

:

Like, you don't wanna

make a promise and then

624

:

Xhafer: Also like what kind

of rescue mission is she gonna

625

:

fucking mount to Caprica?

626

:

Like that's a Galactica gig.

627

:

Laura: Oh yeah.

628

:

'cause they don't know about it on it yet.

629

:

Um, but also Star Bes doesn't tell her

everything about Caprica either yet.

630

:

Like she just basically

says there are survivors.

631

:

We have to go back for them.

632

:

She doesn't tell her the, we're

hooking women up to incubation

633

:

Xhafer: I mean, I don't, maybe you

don't lead with that with the president.

634

:

Maybe.

635

:

Maybe that's the second sentence.

636

:

But you get shot down at the first.

637

:

Laura: Yeah.

638

:

Xhafer: Like, I, I, I, I think the

news is that there are people still

639

:

alive on capa and then you say that

they need our help and then here's why.

640

:

Yeah.

641

:

And she doesn't get to say, here's why.

642

:

Laura: right.

643

:

She'll get there.

644

:

But we've gotta go back to Galactica

for a bit as GAAS is getting scanned

645

:

and Dot coddle is over his shit.

646

:

Xhafer: I have that exact phrase.

647

:

God is over guys'.

648

:

Shit.

649

:

Six.

650

:

PT will not let him rest for the scan

that she was encouraging him to get.

651

:

Dick

652

:

move.

653

:

Laura: Yeah.

654

:

Oh, speaking of six stuff.

655

:

So I didn't notice for sure.

656

:

I didn't go back and check it, but

it seems like when they were in the

657

:

cages talking six's music did not play.

658

:

But the six music is back

as he's getting scanned.

659

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

660

:

Laura: So I don't know

if that means anything.

661

:

Xhafer: I didn't clock that.

662

:

Laura: seems deliberate.

663

:

I don't know.

664

:

Maybe somebody can go check for sure

and see if the six music was playing

665

:

in the cages, but I don't think it was

666

:

Xhafer: Hmm.

667

:

Laura: so.

668

:

Hmm.

669

:

Xhafer: After this Meyer tries

to convince Sharon to kill Lee.

670

:

While Adama catches up to the party on

Cobol, there is a briefly tense moment,

671

:

and that a mostly happy reunion until

Sharon rounds the corner a fucking again.

672

:

At least this time she didn't know.

673

:

But man, the Sharon round the

corner, two people threatening to

674

:

kill her has got to be getting old.

675

:

Laura: We're all very good at pulling

all of our guns on each other.

676

:

They do it again when

Adama shows up at camp.

677

:

Xhafer: He fucking choke slams her.

678

:

I had to see, because there was a period

of time while Battlestar Galactica

679

:

was on the air that ECW professional

wrestling would've been airing around

680

:

the same time on sci-fi, and I'm

all like, they didn't, did they?

681

:

And no, this was 10 months before

ECW started airing on sci-fi.

682

:

Laura: Okay.

683

:

Xhafer: But I had to check.

684

:

Laura: He is just panicking.

685

:

yeah, he, he gets her down.

686

:

but right before that Rosalyn sees

Billy and it's very cute the way

687

:

she's like, so happy to see Billy.

688

:

She needs her other advisor

back, you know, she's got him but

689

:

Adama's heart, like malfunctions as

they're pulling him off of Sharon.

690

:

Xhafer: yeah.

691

:

Laura: And we, we had like a little

Adama flashback of being shot,

692

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

693

:

Laura: And him asking

the corpse why I believe,

694

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

695

:

Laura: and as they're pulling him off

of Sharon, she says, and you ask why?

696

:

So how the fuck would Sharon know that

unless she can like scan his experience

697

:

or the Cylon cloud finally uploaded?

698

:

I don't know,

699

:

Xhafer: I mean, it could be those things.

700

:

Just to throw a wrench in either

of those, for the sake of devil's

701

:

advocate, it could just be that she

knows the old man well enough where

702

:

she'd assume that would happen.

703

:

You know, it's one,

704

:

Laura: the Sharon persona has

enough information about Adama

705

:

because she's never met Adama.

706

:

Xhafer: to know that he would ask why.

707

:

He might just because she knows that he

would ask why doesn't mean that she knows.

708

:

He stood over her co corpse and

asked why physically, right.

709

:

It doesn't have to be intimate

knowledge of that moment.

710

:

It could just be the general knowledge

of the person and knowing that that's a

711

:

question that they would ask themselves.

712

:

Laura: Yeah.

713

:

Yeah.

714

:

Xhafer: But it's played like she

knows, like they show us the flashback.

715

:

They're trying to make

us think that she knows.

716

:

Laura: yes.

717

:

So if we've got like one tick

mark on the chalkboard of.

718

:

Weird things Sharon has said.

719

:

We had the the baby thing and the look

on her face, and now we've got this.

720

:

We're gonna get more

before this episode's over.

721

:

but yeah, do coddle shows.

722

:

Gaia, a whole lot of nothing

going on in his brain.

723

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

724

:

Yep.

725

:

The scans are clear and he's just like,

the only thing in your brain is bullshit.

726

:

You feel free to take these

and look at 'em as much as you

727

:

want on your own fucking time.

728

:

Get out of my Med bay.

729

:

Laura: There's always a

hypochondriac on every freaking ship.

730

:

Xhafer: Uh,

731

:

Laura: It.

732

:

Love doc Coddle.

733

:

I, I've turned around.

734

:

I I will allow it.

735

:

I like doc coddle.

736

:

Xhafer: yeah.

737

:

I knew, I knew this would happen.

738

:

Laura: Yeah.

739

:

Didn't love the, like, mansplaining

as mansplaining breast cancer

740

:

as we're smoking a cigarette.

741

:

But everything else pretty good.

742

:

Xhafer: was it mansplaining or was it,

you're asking about herbal remedies?

743

:

Splaining?

744

:

Laura: Yeah, I don't know.

745

:

It was, it was just like whatever we're

doing here about her female cancer,

746

:

but I probably have like stage three

lung cancer going on at the same time.

747

:

I was like, okay.

748

:

All right.

749

:

But anyway uh, so we get to, mom and

dad are gonna sit down and talk it out.

750

:

Xhafer: Adama forgives Rosalyn.

751

:

She's like,

752

:

I

753

:

didn't, I didn't ask for that.

754

:

And he's like, well, you have it anyways.

755

:

Like you betrayed me.

756

:

Like that.

757

:

The thing that hurt wasn't you

disobeying, like making someone

758

:

disobey orders the things that hurt?

759

:

Was you lying to me?

760

:

That that's what hurt.

761

:

I mean, that's also a shitty

reason to do a military coup.

762

:

Which it would've been

nice for him to say,

763

:

Laura: Yeah.

764

:

Yeah.

765

:

Xhafer: But he does, he does, you

know, he gives her forgiveness.

766

:

He, he should be apologizing

767

:

as well.

768

:

Laura: yeah, for real.

769

:

Like I

770

:

Xhafer: forgiveness and asking

for forgiveness because they

771

:

both owe that to each other.

772

:

Her,

773

:

Laura: definitely.

774

:

Um, but Sharon also is talking

to Hilo because Meyer told

775

:

her everything about Boomer.

776

:

Apparently, somehow Meyer knew it all,

777

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

778

:

Laura: And she's, you know, pretty upset

that Kelly got 30 days in the break.

779

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

780

:

I mean, they're arguing like uh, it's

because they don't see me as human.

781

:

And it's all like, there is another

side to that, and I'm not saying that

782

:

Sharon's take is wrong here because

they don't see her as human, but.

783

:

They also see her as the enemy

and they're actively at war.

784

:

Laura: Right.

785

:

Xhafer: You know, like,

786

:

Laura: that enemy did actually

shoot the commanding officer.

787

:

Xhafer: yeah.

788

:

It's not like Boomer didn't do anything,

you know, they didn't find out Boomer

789

:

was a silent because of, you know,

she tripped, fell, and a little bit

790

:

of robot parts spilled out of her

arm, you know, when she got hurt, you

791

:

know, like she fucking shot Adama.

792

:

Like

793

:

Laura: Right,

794

:

Xhafer: there's a lot more to it and they

think they play that down a lot to be all

795

:

like, oh, it was this cold-blooded murder.

796

:

It's all like, well, I'm

not saying it's great.

797

:

I don't agree with how it was handled by

798

:

Laura: For sure.

799

:

Right.

800

:

Xhafer: but

801

:

there is more to the situation than that.

802

:

You are oversimplifying.

803

:

Laura: Right.

804

:

And uh, teal can't stay

away from the hot stove.

805

:

He decides to approach Sharon and ding.

806

:

Number three, weird, creepy thing

Sharon does in this episode.

807

:

She manipulates Tyrell and

says, wow, it's good to see you.

808

:

Xhafer: It's, It's,

809

:

a lot like, I feel like the

audience is Hilo in this moment.

810

:

'cause we're just watching this super

awkward thing that we can't stop.

811

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

812

:

Xhafer: Just like, oh God, uh mm.

813

:

Like I'm making the same face as Helo is

making like, God, no, this is happening.

814

:

It's okay.

815

:

It's okay.

816

:

It's, it'll be done in a minute.

817

:

Laura: Because she obviously knew that

Boomer and Helo, or not Boomer and

818

:

Helo, excuse me, boomer and Tyrell

were a thing because at the beginning

819

:

of all the Sharon Hilo stuff, he was

like, well, I know you were with the

820

:

chief, and she's knowledgeable of that.

821

:

So,

822

:

Xhafer: Yeah, like there, there is a

gap on like, some of it, like whether

823

:

or not that gap's been filled and

that silent cloud download happened,

824

:

whether there's just permanently a

gap because of when this Sharon woke

825

:

up, maybe, you know, like I don't,

we don't know how it works exactly.

826

:

Laura: right.

827

:

She, we don't know that she knows

everything that Boomer and Teel were up

828

:

to, but she knows there was something.

829

:

So a hug is not an appropriate

way to handle this.

830

:

If you wanna establish a

boundary with this person,

831

:

Xhafer: gives him a

little kiss on the cheek.

832

:

Laura: Uhhuh Uhhuh,

833

:

shake his hand, don't hug and

kiss on the cheek, like that's

834

:

manipulation right there.

835

:

And I am not trusting it.

836

:

Xhafer: yeah.

837

:

Laura: I am unhappy.

838

:

So, Zurich and Meyer discussed the

plan while taking a piss for a minute,

839

:

Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

840

:

Okay.

841

:

I forgot

842

:

that.

843

:

Laura: Meyer tries to convince

Zurich that we should just

844

:

kill everyone and take over.

845

:

And Zurich is like,

fucking let it go, guy.

846

:

Like, this is, this is not healthy.

847

:

And then Rosalyn and Adama

talk a little bit about what

848

:

Starbucks said about Caprica

849

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

850

:

Laura: and.

851

:

Rosalyn is feeling very guilty

for deciding to leave everyone.

852

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

853

:

Laura: but Adama says, no, we

made this decision together.

854

:

And it was right, like if, because I

think Adama did wanna go back and fight,

855

:

Xhafer: He did.

856

:

Laura: and she said, we can't do that.

857

:

he says that every day since they

left is a gift from Rosalyn to him

858

:

because that was the right choice.

859

:

And they're still here because

they left not, you know, because

860

:

they tried to go back and fight.

861

:

They wouldn't be here.

862

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

863

:

Laura: So I think that's important too.

864

:

Like she's second guessing herself,

but Adama is like, no, you don't need

865

:

to second guess yourself over this.

866

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

867

:

No, this was, you made the

right decision for sure.

868

:

Sharon tells Meyer she's gonna

kill Papa Damo while he kills Lee.

869

:

Shortly after they find the tomb.

870

:

The guns get drawn.

871

:

Sharon kills Meyer.

872

:

Lee kills another one of Zarik

Koons, and then Sharon kind of like

873

:

has her gun on Adama for a second.

874

:

And everyone's really tense and she's

all like, Hey, I'm not programmed.

875

:

I, I'm not, I'm not Boomer, right?

876

:

I'm Sharon, but I'm not Boomer.

877

:

Uh, I don't have any deep programming.

878

:

My decisions are my own.

879

:

I'm making a decision right now and

I want you to remember that this is

880

:

my decision and hands him her gun.

881

:

Laura: Yeah.

882

:

But would she a hundred percent

know if she had deep programming?

883

:

Xhafer: Well, what, what would, what would

a silent, like who's lying say would they,

884

:

Laura: Right?

885

:

Xhafer: you know, it's like,

oh, every silent says they don't

886

:

have deep programming to override

whatever they're gonna do.

887

:

Because, I mean, even Sharon didn't

know, like Bo well, boomer didn't know.

888

:

That was the whole point is

she was struggling with that

889

:

for so long as a character.

890

:

You know, that's why she

tried to kill herself.

891

:

'cause she knew she was gonna

hurt somebody on the ship.

892

:

Laura: this, Sharon, like has no reason

to, to know, be like, oh yeah, I know

893

:

I don't have any deep programming.

894

:

'cause it's like the other

one didn't know either.

895

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

896

:

Laura: I don't know, don't

like it, don't trust it.

897

:

But yeah, she's like, no, Meyer

was, was gonna kill you at all.

898

:

And I got the gun and I killed him.

899

:

So I'm, I'm a good guy.

900

:

And then Meyer like dies in Zurich's

arms, which isn't suspicious at all.

901

:

Claiming that he just wanted

to see him get his due respect.

902

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

903

:

Yeah.

904

:

Zurich's all, like I told

you not to do anything.

905

:

Right.

906

:

Look at how innocent I am

guys as his buddy dies.

907

:

Laura: I mean, to give Sarah some credit,

he was like, no, I don't wanna do this.

908

:

But still,

909

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

910

:

Laura: this next part where we're trying

to figure out how to open the door and

911

:

Sharon's like rubbing the door with the

arrow and like trying to figure, I'm

912

:

like, this is, this is humans right there.

913

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

914

:

Laura: I don't see where to put it in.

915

:

Like, I don't know what to do with this.

916

:

And then like, adama's, like, well just

Lee and Hilo like, help me with this.

917

:

And they shove it open.

918

:

Xhafer: I'm just gonna push this open.

919

:

It's fine.

920

:

They find statues representing

the colonies inside.

921

:

They place the arrow on Sari on

the archer's bow, and when they

922

:

do, the door closes and they

find themselves transported.

923

:

Starbucks has the best line

here where they're just like,

924

:

I thought we were at the tomb.

925

:

And she's all like, I think we

we're just not in the lobby anymore.

926

:

Laura: Yeah.

927

:

Xhafer: So good.

928

:

Laura: Yeah.

929

:

So is this like Stonehenge on earth?

930

:

Is that what we're

trying to make you think?

931

:

Xhafer: I mean, there are stone monoliths.

932

:

That are very Stonehenge esque, but

they're not connect like Stonehenge

933

:

has the ring that connects them.

934

:

So it's not like actual Stonehenge,

but it is definitely meant to invoke

935

:

like old ass stone age ruins for sure.

936

:

Having just like seen a bunch of

these in Malta like three weeks ago.

937

:

Yeah, a hundred percent.

938

:

Nailed it.

939

:

Laura: Yeah.

940

:

Yeah.

941

:

And Starbuck is the one who puts

it together first and realizes

942

:

that like, oh, we can see all the

constellations and this, this is Earth.

943

:

So we're standing on the place.

944

:

We need to find the place

that has this star pattern.

945

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

946

:

Rosalyn has says something super

interesting here 'cause she's like,

947

:

well, if we call them, you know,

like these formations were all

948

:

on the colonies, original flags.

949

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

950

:

Xhafer: years ago, and they're

going by their ancient names,

951

:

not their modern names, you know,

Aries and Leo and cancer and stuff.

952

:

You know, our constellations,

um, are astrology, so,

953

:

Laura: Yeah.

954

:

Xhafer: yeah.

955

:

Super interesting.

956

:

Laura: I have a question

about constellations, though,

957

:

Xhafer: Yeah, go for it.

958

:

I don't know if I have an answer, but,

959

:

Laura: isn't the way the Constellation

960

:

Xhafer: oh, you can't see them all at

961

:

Laura: on

962

:

Xhafer: time, if that's your

963

:

Laura: Well, there's that, that

there's that, but also isn't the way

964

:

a group of stars would look together

highly dependent on where you are.

965

:

Xhafer: Yes.

966

:

Laura: So if I'm like not in our

solar system, I don't know that

967

:

I would see Sagittarius, right?

968

:

Xhafer: I would think

that hype, aesthetically.

969

:

With a powerful enough computer, you could

do find places where certain patterns of

970

:

stars existed because you like knowing

where all the stars are is like the

971

:

easiest part of mapping the galaxy, right?

972

:

So if you can go there, you can

probably figure out what solar

973

:

system, maybe if this were like a a

hundred percent accurate depiction

974

:

of the sky, you might be able to go

these stars this, you know, and know

975

:

that that's a view from my planet.

976

:

So the stars would look like this from

there, and then mathematically cut a cross

977

:

section of where all the known stars are.

978

:

To get something that lines up

with that, you might have options,

979

:

Laura: Yeah.

980

:

Xhafer: um, especially if you've only

got like a point in time and a frame that

981

:

would make it very hard to figure out.

982

:

But.

983

:

They, they see the nebula, which at the

very least gives them a direction ahead.

984

:

I guess they have to be in a

part of the, the, the galaxy

985

:

where that nebula is visible.

986

:

Laura: I think maybe I'm overthinking

it because I was thinking of

987

:

it as like we've, we've seen

Sagittarius from our colonies.

988

:

Right?

989

:

Have they actually, or are they

just realizing that like, oh,

990

:

these stars together, go with this

pattern that goes with Sagittarian?

991

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

992

:

I, I don't think that, like you

saw Sagittarius from Sagittarian,

993

:

Laura: okay.

994

:

'cause I was like, I don't think

that, I think the constellations

995

:

are dependent on POV.

996

:

Right?

997

:

So if I'm somewhere else, I'm not

gonna see that cluster of stars

998

:

in that same pattern and be like,

that's obviously Sagittarius.

999

:

Xhafer: I would expect most

of the constellations to be.

:

00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:33,595

Close enough from like a Mars

:

00:45:35,095 --> 00:45:36,115

or a Venus,

:

00:45:36,625 --> 00:45:36,925

Laura: yeah.

:

00:45:37,135 --> 00:45:37,675

Xhafer: not

:

00:45:38,035 --> 00:45:41,605

definitively, not from like

a alpha cent to, you know,

:

00:45:42,445 --> 00:45:44,755

a couple or 12 B, they're

gonna look very different.

:

00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:46,075

Laura: yeah, yeah.

:

00:45:46,165 --> 00:45:46,495

Okay.

:

00:45:46,705 --> 00:45:52,315

But I, I guess I had been thinking

of the colonies as like, they are

:

00:45:52,315 --> 00:45:55,975

aware of the constellations, and

so I was like, I don't, this isn't

:

00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:59,575

making any sense anymore, but

they're, they're aware of the names,

:

00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,195

they know The

:

00:46:01,195 --> 00:46:05,215

patterns, the shapes, but they

didn't realize that they were like

:

00:46:05,215 --> 00:46:10,585

star patterns until this moment when

we're on, on earth looking at them.

:

00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:14,305

Xhafer: yeah, when Starbucks goes,

you know, they saw their 12 brothers

:

00:46:14,305 --> 00:46:19,435

and sisters in the heavens, that's

when it's like, oh, constellations.

:

00:46:19,885 --> 00:46:20,395

Fuck.

:

00:46:21,625 --> 00:46:22,045

Laura: Okay.

:

00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:22,795

Alright.

:

00:46:22,795 --> 00:46:25,820

I will allow this, but I was

very confused for a little

:

00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:26,020

bit.

:

00:46:26,888 --> 00:46:29,978

Xhafer: we recognizes that

Nebula to start on their search.

:

00:46:30,518 --> 00:46:33,758

And Starbuck, as I mentioned,

posits that they're actually

:

00:46:33,758 --> 00:46:35,378

standing on earth right now.

:

00:46:35,888 --> 00:46:40,028

And then we cut over to Adama doing

a big speech with the reunited fleet,

:

00:46:40,658 --> 00:46:42,338

just like the end of the mini series.

:

00:46:42,338 --> 00:46:45,938

Only instead of, so say we all,

it's clapping for introducing

:

00:46:45,938 --> 00:46:47,858

Laura as the president again.

:

00:46:48,968 --> 00:46:49,258

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:46:50,183 --> 00:46:52,043

Dad is back on board.

:

00:46:52,148 --> 00:46:52,568

Xhafer: Yep,

:

00:46:53,152 --> 00:46:54,652

Laura: Mom can still be president.

:

00:46:54,652 --> 00:46:56,092

I'll still be head of the military.

:

00:46:56,092 --> 00:46:57,232

We're all fine here.

:

00:46:57,232 --> 00:46:58,222

Everything's fine.

:

00:46:58,627 --> 00:46:58,867

Xhafer: yep.

:

00:46:59,689 --> 00:47:02,779

Laura: Except we are gonna keep

sharing in one of those cages.

:

00:47:03,184 --> 00:47:03,514

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:04,354 --> 00:47:05,854

As we cut over to Hilo.

:

00:47:06,394 --> 00:47:10,204

Who's visiting Sharon in the

cell they built for Boomer, Gais,

:

00:47:10,204 --> 00:47:14,434

overhears Sharon, talking about

their baby being born in a cell.

:

00:47:14,824 --> 00:47:17,764

And this is where six PT

shows up in the dress.

:

00:47:18,244 --> 00:47:21,244

To be all told you so.

:

00:47:21,797 --> 00:47:22,517

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:47:22,817 --> 00:47:27,557

GAAS tries one more time to

demand to know who or what she is.

:

00:47:27,797 --> 00:47:29,237

Like she's not a computer chip.

:

00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:30,137

We figured that out.

:

00:47:30,137 --> 00:47:35,842

There's definitely not a chip in the

brain, but six PT doesn't need a chip.

:

00:47:36,112 --> 00:47:37,612

Like we, I don't know.

:

00:47:37,852 --> 00:47:41,092

We've, we've seen that silences are

extremely meaty, like they might

:

00:47:41,092 --> 00:47:44,722

know to how, how to hack human

meat without actual physical chip.

:

00:47:45,127 --> 00:47:45,787

Xhafer: That's fair.

:

00:47:45,847 --> 00:47:46,147

Yeah.

:

00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:49,397

I mean, she gives him an answer

whether or not you believe it.

:

00:47:49,397 --> 00:47:54,827

She says that she's an angel sent

by the one true God to lead gais

:

00:47:55,127 --> 00:47:57,017

to the end of the human race.

:

00:47:57,528 --> 00:48:01,609

Laura: Yeah, like to the end of the

human race or to end the human race

:

00:48:03,343 --> 00:48:03,793

Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

:

00:48:03,793 --> 00:48:03,883

Hmm.

:

00:48:04,663 --> 00:48:10,157

Laura: Um, little worried now again,

if there is an actual pregnancy

:

00:48:10,157 --> 00:48:12,227

here, an actual silent baby.

:

00:48:13,037 --> 00:48:17,357

You know, GAAS was flipping

out in that vision where Adama

:

00:48:17,357 --> 00:48:19,247

was gonna destroy the baby.

:

00:48:19,277 --> 00:48:23,357

And six PT said, Adama will kill our baby.

:

00:48:24,257 --> 00:48:28,237

yeah, can see Gaas may

be doing some rash things

:

00:48:28,917 --> 00:48:29,267

Xhafer: Maybe

:

00:48:29,277 --> 00:48:32,877

Laura: in response to that, the

way he freaked out at that dream.

:

00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:34,917

Xhafer: depends a lot on how

much he believes right now.

:

00:48:36,357 --> 00:48:36,717

Laura: oh man.

:

00:48:36,717 --> 00:48:37,887

And I don't even freaking know.

:

00:48:38,892 --> 00:48:43,507

But it also seems like maybe

Adama's kind of like softening on

:

00:48:43,986 --> 00:48:44,316

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:45,066 --> 00:48:49,176

Laura: some stuff with, because

he didn't like kill Sharon.

:

00:48:49,386 --> 00:48:50,736

He didn't airlock her.

:

00:48:51,624 --> 00:48:53,394

Rosalyn didn't get to airlock her.

:

00:48:54,234 --> 00:48:54,444

Like,

:

00:48:55,734 --> 00:48:56,394

I don't know.

:

00:49:00,189 --> 00:49:00,399

Xhafer: All

:

00:49:00,654 --> 00:49:01,614

Laura: I don't know what to think.

:

00:49:01,809 --> 00:49:04,809

Xhafer: well we can talk about it a

little bit more 'cause we gotta talk

:

00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:06,429

about how we feel about this episode.

:

00:49:06,429 --> 00:49:08,559

On a scale of one to 12 colonies,

:

00:49:09,141 --> 00:49:09,501

Laura: Hmm.

:

00:49:10,926 --> 00:49:11,706

Xhafer: what are you thinking?

:

00:49:14,498 --> 00:49:16,203

Laura: I mean, it wasn't a bad episode.

:

00:49:16,994 --> 00:49:18,934

Xhafer: That, that it.

:

00:49:22,244 --> 00:49:24,734

Laura: I guess I'm not as high

on it as some of the others.

:

00:49:24,734 --> 00:49:27,514

Like, you'd think I would be

really satisfied with some

:

00:49:27,514 --> 00:49:29,074

resolution, but I'm not.

:

00:49:29,776 --> 00:49:31,126

maybe, maybe a nine.

:

00:49:32,101 --> 00:49:33,421

Xhafer: Yeah, I, I love

:

00:49:33,496 --> 00:49:33,826

Laura: yeah.

:

00:49:35,021 --> 00:49:35,591

Xhafer: I think this

:

00:49:35,726 --> 00:49:36,746

Laura: The tomb is fun.

:

00:49:37,691 --> 00:49:43,541

Xhafer: this is the best episode

of this season before episode 10.

:

00:49:45,176 --> 00:49:46,106

Laura: Oh, geez.

:

00:49:47,201 --> 00:49:47,621

Xhafer: I'll say

:

00:49:47,846 --> 00:49:50,636

Laura: Start starting to have

anxiety about episode 10.

:

00:49:50,981 --> 00:49:51,671

Xhafer: You should.

:

00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:54,311

Um, yeah.

:

00:49:54,421 --> 00:49:55,321

No, I really like this one.

:

00:49:55,321 --> 00:49:56,671

I'm gonna give this an 11 outta 12.

:

00:49:56,731 --> 00:50:03,541

Um, we see Adama having to

like, reach out and be a person

:

00:50:03,901 --> 00:50:07,471

and, you know, there's

a lot I really like.

:

00:50:07,521 --> 00:50:12,351

It's not a perfect resolution with

him and Rosalyn, nor should it be.

:

00:50:12,811 --> 00:50:17,251

So that was great to see, um,

them interact like that and in

:

00:50:17,251 --> 00:50:19,651

a way that is more believable.

:

00:50:20,341 --> 00:50:25,981

I feel than you know, a lesser TV show

would've just had them set all of their

:

00:50:25,981 --> 00:50:29,581

problems aside and move on with their

lives, and they would've said everything

:

00:50:29,581 --> 00:50:31,201

that they needed to for that to happen.

:

00:50:31,951 --> 00:50:34,291

And that is not what happens here.

:

00:50:35,041 --> 00:50:38,551

They agree to move forward and they

agree to move forward together in a way

:

00:50:38,551 --> 00:50:44,161

where they can recognize each other as

a strength instead of an adversary, but

:

00:50:44,161 --> 00:50:47,431

they do not solve all of their problems.

:

00:50:47,581 --> 00:50:49,801

And that's one of the things

that makes this show good.

:

00:50:50,611 --> 00:50:51,061

Laura: yeah.

:

00:50:51,181 --> 00:50:54,061

I, I love the DAMA Roslyn resolution.

:

00:50:54,391 --> 00:50:58,651

I think the thing that's

dragging me down is that nothing

:

00:50:58,651 --> 00:51:00,511

with Sharon feels satisfying.

:

00:51:01,351 --> 00:51:05,821

It should feel satisfying that like, oh

look, she turned the gun, she shot the

:

00:51:05,821 --> 00:51:10,081

bad guy, and she gave a doma the gun

and, and like submitted to his will.

:

00:51:10,681 --> 00:51:14,401

But she did several

suspicious things before that

:

00:51:15,064 --> 00:51:15,354

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:15,799 --> 00:51:16,669

Laura: and uh,

:

00:51:17,568 --> 00:51:24,438

I don't feel good about her in the cage.

:

00:51:24,588 --> 00:51:27,648

Like, let me try to be

more articulate about that.

:

00:51:28,366 --> 00:51:32,236

you know, it'd be one thing if I felt like

she was just like, this is, this is it.

:

00:51:32,626 --> 00:51:37,126

I am going to prove myself,

do my time in this cage.

:

00:51:37,186 --> 00:51:43,606

And instead she's just kind of whining

about my baby's gonna be born in a cage.

:

00:51:44,236 --> 00:51:44,866

And

:

00:51:45,286 --> 00:51:46,636

Xhafer: me Hilo.

:

00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,326

Laura: yeah, it still

feels really manipulative.

:

00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:52,906

So I don't know.

:

00:51:54,046 --> 00:51:54,886

I don't like it.

:

00:51:56,056 --> 00:51:56,356

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:56,536 --> 00:51:56,686

No.

:

00:51:56,686 --> 00:52:00,676

Should you that's stuff I really like

about this episode because the level

:

00:52:00,676 --> 00:52:03,766

of ambiguity they put around Sharon.

:

00:52:04,351 --> 00:52:05,311

Is required.

:

00:52:05,641 --> 00:52:09,511

Because if they just made you, if they

went out of your, their way to be all like

:

00:52:09,511 --> 00:52:12,661

No, this Sharon's trustable and all this

:

00:52:12,676 --> 00:52:14,086

Laura: This is the good silent.

:

00:52:14,086 --> 00:52:15,136

This is the good one.

:

00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:15,526

Yeah.

:

00:52:15,691 --> 00:52:16,261

Xhafer: yeah.

:

00:52:16,801 --> 00:52:22,591

Like if we had gotten scenes of her,

like actively betraying the cylons back

:

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on Caprica to know that she had actually

broke ties in a way that was believable

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to us as a viewer and not like something

that was staged for Hilos benefit.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: You know, like if we had gotten

true resolution on some of that stuff

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instead of just a, they don't seem

to be particularly happy, but this

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could all still be some Cy bullshit.

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you know, then I don't think she's

as interesting as a character.

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Laura: We really don't know where

she went when she took that raider.

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Do we?

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Xhafer: No.

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Laura: Like, it's, they, they want

you to think that she just went and

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fucked off and hid for a little while

and then showed back up when she had

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something useful and helpful to do

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Xhafer: That'd be real convenient.

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Laura: it.

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It would be way too convenient, wouldn't

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it?

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Like, it seems like the, the

other cylon should really be able

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to easily find another cylon.

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Like it should be hard for her to hide.

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And now suddenly I'm a little

worried about her being on galactic.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Well, I mean, there's eight

silences in the fleet.

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I guess nine

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Laura: That's true.

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Xhafer: Well, eight again, if

she counted herself before.

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Laura: yeah.

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Who knows.

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Who knows if that was

even a good number, like.

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Xhafer: I wouldn't trust it.

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Laura: I wouldn't trust it, but

Gaia seemed to like explicitly trust

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it and it's like, but why, man?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She was under duress.

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That's the only time

people tell the truth.

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Right?

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Right.

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Duh God torture and tv.

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Anyways yeah, so this next episode,

you got season two, episode eight.

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This is not in the preview notes.

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This is my little note here.

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It's a Babylon five did it episode

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: reporter is sent to

Galactica to chronicle the harsh

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realities of life during wartime.

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Laura: Oh my God.

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IS N's coming on board.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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And it's fun because the episode

after this is a Star Trek, Voyager

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did an episode, but we'll get to that

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next week.

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Well, two

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Laura: Okay.

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I'm a little apprehensive about episode

10 now based on many things you have said,

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but I am looking forward to

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Xhafer: I I can't wait.

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I am so excited to get to that episode.

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Laura: I am stressed out now.

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Xhafer: Ben called Dibs on that

episode before he called Dibs on his

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season one episode, or maybe not.

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No, no.

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He called 33 real quick, but I

think he, these were like the two

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episodes out of the entire show.

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He was all like this one and this one

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Laura: Must haves.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Xhafer: So

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Laura: Next time.

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Xhafer: next time, but before we

get to next time, we should probably

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say a couple of thank yous for this

time, like Jeremy, Jeremy Siegel

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composing our lovely theme music.

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Thanks so much, Jeremy.

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You can find more Jeremy's work at

Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com

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and on streaming services, ASUA Jaguar.

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Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time machine on Instagram

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for our podcast artwork.

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Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for

editing this podcast and taking

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out my incoherent babbling.

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I really appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Laura: And thank you listener for being

here with us as we go for more survivors

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and silences in Battlestar Galactica.

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If you want to discuss further,

if you are someone who's already

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seen the whole series, you can hop

into our discord into Spoiler Town.

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00:56:02,822 --> 00:56:07,022

Or if you're like me and you haven't

seen it all and you wanna be unspoiled

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00:56:07,022 --> 00:56:10,262

on everything, just hang out with

me everywhere else in the Discord.

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Xhafer: All right,

we'll see you next week.

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Internet.

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Laura: bye.

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Xhafer: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.