Episode 191

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15th Oct 2025

BSG S3E2 - Space Bones

Laura and Xhafer are bemused by football fans. Laura stans Zarek and Roslin. Xhafer gets half of a sunburn. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 2: Precipice.

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Laura:

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of former

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strangers who are now friends and

watching:

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I'm Laura

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Xhafer: I Fair.

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Laura: and uh, we're doing

another Sunday morning

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: cord.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: a little Sunday morning.

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Chill.

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It's nice.

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Laura: what's uh, your beverage choice

for your Sunday morning Chill record.

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Xhafer: This is just black coffee today.

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Laura: Oh, wow.

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Xhafer: That's my second cup of the

day and that's just where I'm at.

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I'm very tired.

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because I have a sunburn covering

about half of my body right now.

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Laura: Listener.

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I need to describe the sunburn covering

half of Jaff Fair's body, at least

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what I can see of it, obviously.

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So jaff fair's face sort of looks

like the red sun is rising over.

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I guess for me, I'm looking at

the right side of your face.

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But it's your left side, huh?

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Xhafer: Is my left side.

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Yeah.

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Now, it doesn't help that the only

source of light right now is the window,

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which is the other side coming in.

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So it's kind of dramatically shading.

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So if I turn, it doesn't look as bad,

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Laura: No, but it's it's still there.

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Xhafer: but it's still like, wow, that's,

it's like dramatic lighting on my face.

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But instead of dramatic

lighting, it's just sunburn.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yep.

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Xhafer: have allied three

times already this morning.

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It is

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10 30 in the

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morning.

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Laura: You wanna tell us how you got

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it?

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Xhafer: I got this sunburn

attending a football game yesterday.

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A buddy of mine won tickets to

go see U of M versus Wisconsin.

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Laura: Oh

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Xhafer: so I was in attendance for uh, U

of M's Victory yesterday over the Badgers.

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Laura: very nice.

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Xhafer: was a good game.

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It was kind of a frustrating game at

times because it's just like we had done

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everything to make a really good play

and then missed a very simple catch.

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I say a very simple catch, like

I could catch fucking football.

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Um, but, you know, was

made all the better.

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I was sitting in like season ticket

holder area, and so almost everyone around

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me was an alumni over the age of 60.

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Laura: yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I was in the

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Laura: Sounds right.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: And like the guy behind me

was just hilarious the entire game.

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'cause he was calling penalties you know,

but he was just all like, eh, you know,

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let the boys play kind of stuff sometimes.

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But only when it was our

penalties, when it was the other

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teams, he'd get really upset.

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Uh, Which I, I love the duality

of the, the mental disconnect

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required for that to be okay.

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Laura: Yeah, the cognitive distortion,

like experiment running right behind you.

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Xhafer: yeah, exactly.

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It's just all like, oh,

we'll let the boys play.

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You know, we can, we can

do holding, that's fine.

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But when they do holding, it's a problem.

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And just like that.

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But also just like the

commentary was just a plus.

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Hilarious.

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He's just all like, oh, we gonna,

we gonna run it up the center

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again because we're Michigan.

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We run it up the fucking center.

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And it's just like me and his wife

dying and no one else can hear this man.

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Laura: he, he's just like narrating his

own version of the game for himself.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Out loud for us.

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And it's just like no one else

is paying attention to him.

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I don't even think he knows

I'm laughing at him so much,

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but his wife definitely does.

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'cause she's like, she's like hooting

and hollering and slapping me on the back

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when I'm laughing with her sometimes.

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Like, you know, like friendly,

but still just like, ha ha ha.

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Um, and also as like the, the young

guy, I say I'm 40 in the area, it

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was also my job to help all the, you

know, oxygens get in and out of their

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seats because standing is a problem.

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And

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Laura: Yeah.

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No, I am not yet 40 and

standing is a problem.

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Xhafer: I, I was a railing

for about a third of the game.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Um, but I had a blast.

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the seats were perfect.

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We were right on the 20 yard line.

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We were like 25, 30 rows up enough to

perfectly see the entire field uh, while

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still being very close to what's going on.

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it was a great time and a great game,

and I am sunburnt and tired for it today.

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Laura: I don't know if we've talked about

this on Pod, but OU played Michigan a

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few weeks ago and it was here in Norman

And I don't know anything about the game.

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I know that we won.

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That's, that's all I know.

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But I was absolutely baffled on Friday as

we like, went down to Campus Corner to get

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some lunch as a, a PhD student cohort at

how many Michigan fans were in town for

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the OU game, Do people, is this a thing?

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Do we travel to the away games?

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Xhafer: It's definitely

like people do that one,

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: I feel like a lot of

Michigan people in general, maybe

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it's just the size of our state.

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'cause like you're like, oh yeah, well,

you know, it's not like Texas, right?

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Michigan is fucking massive to, to

get from where I am at in Michigan

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to go visit Michigan Tech, the

university is a longer drive than

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for me to drive to Washington DC

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Like if you think about a

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Laura: Is it in the other part of Michigan

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Xhafer: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's in, it's

in the top corner of the upper peninsula.

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So you're doing like, it's

not a straight route, but um.

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It's just like, it is a very large

state, so maybe we're just used

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to having to travel for anything.

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Laura: Well, and then I considered

that, you know, maybe some of

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them are just alums who happen

to be nearby, like, 'cause I did

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see a Texas plate with Michigan

stuff on it, and I was like, okay.

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I guess that's, that's an easy sell to me.

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Like if I'm a mic, I'm a U of

M alum working in Dallas, it's

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an easy game for me to attend.

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Xhafer: I mean, it's a big school.

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The attendance at the football

game yesterday was 110,000.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: It's the largest

stadium in North America,

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I think the U of M football stadium.

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And it was mostly full, like I saw

a couple of empty seats here or

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there, but the thing was packed.

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and yeah, I, it's, it's a

very large stadium and it's a,

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it's an experience for sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, I kept thinking about the

ecological disaster that is 110,000 people

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gathering in one place for three hours as

I was walking by and looking at beer cans.

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Laura: Yeah.

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No any football game, it seems

like is a, it's mini, its

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own mini ecological disaster.

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well, you know, Jair.

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Xhafer: Yes,

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Laura: This morning, I feel like

we're standing on a precipice.

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Xhafer: Oh, is that the

name of the episode?

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It is.

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We've got season three, episode two.

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Um,

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I di I di I didn't call

it out last episode.

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But this two-parter, as it aired,

was nominated for both a writing

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Emmy and a Writer Guild Award.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's pretty dang good,

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Xhafer: It's pretty dang good.

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Laura: especially this back half.

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I like it a lot.

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Xhafer: Fun fact.

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The next two-parter also

up for an Emmy for writing.

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Laura: Oh, and it's, it's

somewhere in season three.

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Xhafer: No, the, literally

the next two episodes.

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: Is it two-parter?

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: That sounds like

it's gonna be good.

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Xhafer: I, well you clearly

have not watched it yet.

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Laura: I have not.

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Xhafer: Which given how

this one ends, kudos.

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'cause it's been like a week and

a half since you watched this one.

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That must have been laborious.

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Laura: I have a lot going on at school.

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That's the problem.

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Xhafer: okay.

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Well, the next two

episodes are pretty sweet.

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Laura: Alright.

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Xhafer: I most of what?

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So we played the

Battlestar ACTA board game.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: We recorded us playing it.

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That hasn't aired yet.

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I had mentioned that I had to

remove a bunch of stuff from.

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The board game for us to play it

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in that recording after we hit this

next episode is after, like, after we

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hit the end of that next two-parter.

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Most of that stuff is

in the, is in it now.

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Like I I don't think I would've

had to have removed anything.

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That's how close we were to being

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able to play with the expansion.

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Laura: So, is there a a,

like a new CAPA expansion?

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Is that kind of

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Xhafer: So it's Pegasus and

it adds the other Battlestar,

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but it also adds new Caprica.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: Um, and then there's

a season three most, the most

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of season three expansion.

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And then there's a season four

expansion for the game too.

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But I only have the first one.

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Um, it's been out of print for

forever and I think it's actually

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quite expensive if memory serves.

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The other expansions, I think I

tried, I looked into it at one

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point and I think the season four

expansion was several hundred dollars.

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For a couple cards and

pieces of cardboard.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, I say having a vast

collection of luxury cardboard

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squares in the basement.

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Yeah.

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Anyways we open on

Rosalyn in a holding cell.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Back in prison, right?

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We were in prison once

in the first episode.

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Xhafer: Baltar comes to visit and he

asks her to make a joint statement

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condemning suicide bombings.

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Laura: Huh.

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Xhafer: Laura takes the moment to speak

to Baltar to condemn si disappearing

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people in the middle of the night torture,

you know, the general outrageous stuff.

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We as a society would

never collectively allow.

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But also doesn't disagree with Baltar

about being against suicide bombings.

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She doesn't sign off.

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Laura: there's a lot of careful

political speech in this prison cell.

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Yeah, because he, he does

the challenge look me in the

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eye and tell me you approve.

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And she never does that.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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Laura: But she never not does that.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Yeah, he does deny that

anyone's being tortured, I guess.

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But not the disappearing too,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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No one's been tortured.

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Laura: Yeah.

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He tells us also that in that

bombing at the end ducks bombing,

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that 33 people died in that.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: So not as large

as it could have been.

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, in the next

scene we see that Jamer survived.

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He was there

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we did see that Jamer

was not close to duck.

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'cause didn't he try to speak to Duck

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or am I okay?

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Um, but Duck just sort of ignored him.

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Um, I think it's funny that Baltar

also says that Rosalyn needs to

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follow her conscience as he has.

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And I'm like, oh,

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Xhafer: I'm sure you have.

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Laura: oh, that thing ain't work.

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That thing ain't right.

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You're doing it wrong.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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She's let go.

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As ball targets fed up at the idea

of being questioned uh, we see

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Jamer after this very quickly.

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He gets some orders from Cavo, and

then we see the three resistance

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leaders gather before the radio before

Adama's fireside chat starts, Tyro

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questions, ties, ends, and means.

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Laura: Yeah, Ty's got this idea that we're

gonna go do a bombing in the marketplace

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: where people are buying their food.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Huh.

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Um, but Ty is like leaning

into, I'm just an evil dude,

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trying to save people, I guess.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He gives this speech about

how their demons meant to just

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rot, destruction and chaos.

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Laura: Does that save people?

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I'm confused.

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Jury is out on this one.

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Um, but the, the raptor's still

there making contact, so that's good.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They get some information about

the number of the silences on the

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surface uh, which they take back to

their meeting in a little bit here,

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Laura: Oh, do they give us that number?

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Yeah.

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There Ty sends.

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I guess Tyrell's, the one actually

typing, sends up the number of cys

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that they believe to be on the surface,

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that 1500 ground surface.

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Um, and as this is going on,

se does an insurgent roundup.

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we see this all through

like night vision goggles.

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It's, it's cut.

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Like, uh, you might see news footage

of a military raid in this time.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's very Blackhawk Downey to me too.

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Like, I don't know if they

actually use night vision goggles,

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but it con conjures that up.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I remember, especially in this

time, seeing lots of night

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vision goggle stuff on the news

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: when they were talking

about the war in Iraq that was

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going on around this time, or it

might've still been Afghanistan.

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I'd have to check when this episode aired.

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Laura: Looking, just looking for those

terrorist leaders in the nighttime.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: But yeah, they're all masked up.

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You can't see their faces

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at all.

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And they go to Tyrell's tent

and rip Callie from the baby.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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They leave baby Nicholas unattended

and take Callie in the night.

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Right.

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Laura: wild.

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Just ripping parents away from

their children and leaving

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the children with no one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's the, like I said earlier, it's

the kind of thing that we as a society

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could never collectively allow.

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I'm proud to live in that

country Is that too much

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It?

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It feels like that might

have been too much.

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Laura: It's like if it

quacks like a duck, you know?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, if it salutes like a Nazi, you

know, um, so, uh, it might be a Nazi.

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So Tiro finds Nicholas alone

here as he comes home to theme.

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No Survivor count, still

very much on purpose.

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It's gonna be another couple episodes.

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I'll, I'll, I'll continue mentioning that.

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There's not one, but I just,

I know that there's not one

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for another couple episodes.

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I think either at least two or three.

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I don't think before they

give us an actual number.

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Laura: Yeah, it's gotta be really

unclear for everybody involved.

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If people have been ripped away, we

don't know if they're alive or dead.

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Xhafer: I like to think we don't get a

number because Baltar isn't keeping track

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Laura: I mean, also possible, right?

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Xhafer: and it's like

an in universe thing.

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The number, even though we know it's not

exactly an in universe thing because of

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how some of the timing works sometimes.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: the number on the board always

matches the number and the credits.

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So if it is just straight up in,

in universe, we have the number.

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When they have the number

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and They just, and they just

don't have the number right now.

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That's so we don't have the number.

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I I kind of love that.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Especially 'cause Baltar is a dipshit who

definitely was not keeping the whiteboard.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Gada might've been, but

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Laura: yeah.

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the whiteboard doesn't go

with his tacky new office.

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That's the problem.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It, it's not gold enough.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Need to get some

gold spray paint visit.

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Home Depot.

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Uh, The fleet leaders are

trying to plan on how to rescue

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as many people as they can.

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The main issue is getting ships

that are currently on the ground

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filled up with people and off the

ground so that they can jump away,

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Laura: yep, yep.

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Xhafer: uh, which makes sense.

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Like they had referenced earlier

that there are too many people

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to just simply fit a board.

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Galactica.

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Laura: right?

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Xhafer: You cannot condense the

fleet down to a single ship.

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So the Flotilla rather?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Cat suggests maybe we need to arm the

people on the surface a little more.

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Maybe we need to weapons drop to

them and Lee's just like shitting

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all over everybody's ideas.

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Xhafer: Oh, the leash.

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It's over this idea for a very specific

reason, which is if we escalate,

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they will escalate and then we will

have more than five bay stars, which

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is going to be a fucking problem.

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Five bay stars is a almost

a manageable problem.

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10 bay stars is, there's no

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point in

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Laura: a, yeah.

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So there are, there are,

we think:

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That's including the battle VAs.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: And then there's bay stars

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Xhafer: yeah.

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There's five bay stars around the

hanging out around the planet.

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Laura: Whew.

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Yeah.

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But we have no idea how many

total silos exist in the universe.

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Xhafer: I mean, however

many they wanted to build.

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Laura: Right.

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So if we have enough materials

and we just keep building and

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building and building forever,

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Xhafer: And we

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haven't met 12 models of silent

that we're aware of yet either,

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Laura: Right.

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So we just have some, some models,

like entire models in reserve

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somewhere that are not being

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Xhafer: because it's not even like

someone new showed up when they

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do their leadership council thing.

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You know?

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Like what?

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That's weird.

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You would think that maybe that

would've been a good time to reveal

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someone was a silent all along.

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But it doesn't mean that the

ones that are hidden, they are

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cognizant of it, the very least.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And trying to keep them hidden

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and that seems to matter.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But I, I do agree with Kat that

like, okay, yeah, maybe this solution

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is not optimal, but Lee could do

a little more than just criticize.

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Like he could actually get in the arena.

421

:

Xhafer: maybe have a plan.

422

:

Maybe.

423

:

Maybe.

424

:

You know, I mean, if we wanted

to give everyone who doesn't have

425

:

a plan shit in this show, then

I feel like everyone gets shit.

426

:

Laura: Except the silence.

427

:

They've got a plan.

428

:

Xhafer: They had a plan,

429

:

Laura: It says so right

there in the theme.

430

:

Xhafer: I think.

431

:

Did they take that out at this point?

432

:

Laura: No, I think it's still there.

433

:

Xhafer: Is it still there?

434

:

Okay.

435

:

Laura: Yeah.

436

:

Yeah.

437

:

Xhafer: Yeah, that's right.

438

:

It's the bit it's not the survivors.

439

:

It's fighting for survival.

440

:

Now that's, yeah.

441

:

That's what we get instead

of the, the survivor count.

442

:

Anyways Tiro and Gada are talking.

443

:

He is so unaware.

444

:

Gada is his source, clearly.

445

:

Laura: yeah.

446

:

This is great though.

447

:

I'm glad we're keeping things secure.

448

:

Like what if one of them gets compromised?

449

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

450

:

Laura: I mean, if you just like rub

two brain cells together for a second.

451

:

Yeah.

452

:

It's probably gata, right?

453

:

Terl like right eight.

454

:

Xhafer: I think he's blinded by

the fact that he like agreed to

455

:

work for Baltar at this point.

456

:

The hate for Baltar is so strong

that anyone in that administration,

457

:

even though we know there's someone

in that administration who does not

458

:

and is an informant everyone who

worked for him must be an asshole.

459

:

Laura: yeah, yeah.

460

:

It's true.

461

:

Xhafer: Jamer talks to Tyro about Callie

looking for a way out of size clearly.

462

:

Laura: Yeah.

463

:

Except Tyrell doesn't

know that he's in size.

464

:

And so Tyrell just like shits

on the size and anyone who tried

465

:

to join or bothered to join.

466

:

Xhafer: for sure.

467

:

Fuck 'em all.

468

:

Laura: Yeah.

469

:

And uh, kind of closes the door

on Jamer trying to like, get out.

470

:

I mean, Jamer made some

fucking choices, right?

471

:

So, yeah.

472

:

If you can't like.

473

:

If you can't just own up and honestly

say like, this is, this is me, it,

474

:

me, I fucked Tyrell, what can we do?

475

:

Like, if you can't say it easily and

honestly, like clearly and honestly,

476

:

I mean obviously it's not easy.

477

:

Um, you're not gonna make

any progress forward on that.

478

:

so I, I get it.

479

:

Tyrell's Tyrell's pretty mad

480

:

Xhafer: I mean, jamer is pretty

regretful here and it's not like he

481

:

can go to Ty having seen what Duck did.

482

:

Laura: right?

483

:

Right.

484

:

Ty's gonna be like, well, you just

signed yourself up to blow yourself up.

485

:

That's the only way out of this.

486

:

Now Jamer, and I think Jamer is

trying to still look for a way out

487

:

that doesn't involve his own death.

488

:

Like,

489

:

I think that gets less likely the

longer you stay in size, right?

490

:

Like

491

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

492

:

Laura: no matter, I'm not saying

everybody has to like strap a bomb

493

:

to themselves, but like the longer

you are in a group that is going

494

:

into danger all the time, the less

likely you're coming out of the group.

495

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

496

:

Laura: whoopsie,

497

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

498

:

Not good for Jamer.

499

:

Bin talks to Kara about the preciousness

of life as he shows up with her daughter

500

:

Laura: fuck this guy.

501

:

Xhafer: Casey, Their daughter,

502

:

Yeah, we get that in a minute.

503

:

Yeah.

504

:

Their daughter.

505

:

Ugh.

506

:

Yeah.

507

:

Laura: Fuck this guy.

508

:

Xhafer: Yep.

509

:

We'll talk about it a little bit more in

a minute 'cause we just get this quick cut

510

:

before we go over to Dee who gets a memo.

511

:

She shares with Lee from Papa

dama, sending Sharon as the liaison

512

:

to the surface of New Caprica.

513

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

514

:

Xhafer: Lee goes over to Galactica

immediately to talk about this.

515

:

And we do learn a couple of fun

things here about Sharon, as Adam

516

:

is kind of explaining his decision,

517

:

Laura: Uhhuh

518

:

Xhafer: there's a little bit that's

all like, did you know that the

519

:

Centurion models can't tell them apart?

520

:

Laura: like the, the 12

models, the centurions

521

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

522

:

Can't tell the 12 models apart.

523

:

They don't know who any individual is.

524

:

Laura: That is very interesting.

525

:

Yeah.

526

:

Xhafer: I wonder if that will come up.

527

:

Laura: Yeah.

528

:

Oh, it would be so interesting if

this Sharon, I, you know, I, I'm

529

:

still, I have no idea if she's

really on the human side or not.

530

:

Like, but it would be so interesting

if this Sharon gets like command

531

:

of a battle bots unit and is them

like firing at other BattleBots.

532

:

Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

533

:

Laura: That'd be great.

534

:

Xhafer: We also get a bit about

how the humanoid cys were worried

535

:

about their centurion's rebelling.

536

:

That's another line Adam

Dama throws in there.

537

:

It's all like they, they, they programmed

them this way specifically so that

538

:

they would not rebel against them.

539

:

Laura: Huh?

540

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

541

:

He's like, you can appreciate

the irony of the situation

542

:

Laura: So the original Cylons that

rebelled were the BattleBots, right?

543

:

In this universe.

544

:

Xhafer: to our knowledge.

545

:

That is how it went down.

546

:

Laura: Huh?

547

:

So then we programmed the 12 models

to kind of hold their leash, but

548

:

we're still worried about them trying

to rebel against the 12 models.

549

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

550

:

Laura: Huh,

551

:

Xhafer: Huh.

552

:

Laura: interesting.

553

:

Yeah.

554

:

What else do we get in here?

555

:

Oh, Lee Lee's trying to do the,

like, original Adama where we should

556

:

just keep going and we don't, we

shouldn't go back because we're

557

:

going to all die if we go back.

558

:

That was that the,

559

:

Xhafer: yeah.

560

:

That's, that's here.

561

:

That's the survival of the species.

562

:

Laura: was that him arguing to

Rosalyn that they needed to.

563

:

Keep going.

564

:

Or was Roslyn telling him

they needed to keep going?

565

:

I think it was Roslyn telling

him they had to keep going.

566

:

Didn't Adama originally wanna go back?

567

:

Xhafer: Adama originally wanted

to go back and fight the silence.

568

:

Yeah.

569

:

Laura: Yeah.

570

:

And so Lee is trying

to do the Roslyn right,

571

:

Xhafer: Yes.

572

:

Laura: and say, we need to keep going, but

Adama's like, no, that was, that was okay

573

:

that time, but it's not okay this time.

574

:

And it's, he's probably right,

because mathematically there's

575

:

not enough people in this fleet to

establish a human race, would be my

576

:

Xhafer: There's like 2000

civvies, he says, plus the crews.

577

:

So we're looking at maybe 5K people if

the, if the ships are on skeleton crews,

578

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

579

:

Xhafer: so,

580

:

Laura: I would hope that in this,

what did, what had we decided had

581

:

been four months that some, at

least some of these:

582

:

been training for like combat,

583

:

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah.

584

:

It's been, it's been four

months per Tom Zurich.

585

:

He thinks it's been four months.

586

:

We get later in the episode.

587

:

Laura: I, I imagine there's some

that you just know you can't do

588

:

anything with these civilians.

589

:

They're, they're

590

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

591

:

Laura: too old, too young.

592

:

Just for variety of reasons, you

know, medically and firm or something.

593

:

We can't,

594

:

Xhafer: I got my space bones.

595

:

I can't be on the surface too long.

596

:

Laura: yeah, I, I got them Space

bones on the surface of planet Earth.

597

:

Uh, Yeah.

598

:

Like there's, there's not, you're never

gonna get a hundred percent coverage on

599

:

those cities, but hopefully you could

get a couple more somethings out of it.

600

:

Maybe you're not getting pilots,

but maybe you get a marine,

601

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

602

:

I mean, they, they are training

pilots, so they did, they, they did

603

:

get

604

:

Laura: true.

605

:

Yeah.

606

:

yeah.

607

:

They do decide to split.

608

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

609

:

Pegasus is gonna go resume the

search for Earth and he's gonna

610

:

go be new CAPA's Uber driver.

611

:

Laura: Yeah.

612

:

Galactic has gotta go back, but Pegasus

should push forward and we'll, we'll

613

:

catch up with you, I guess, when we can.

614

:

Xhafer: we will or we won't.

615

:

Laura: Oh, what a bummer.

616

:

Xhafer: I will say there is a logic to,

if the fleet had been survivable when

617

:

they encountered Pegasus as a split fleet,

there is a logic to splitting the fleet.

618

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

619

:

And Pegasus will be taking the

civvies, I would assume, like Galactic

620

:

is gonna be just a fighting force

621

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

622

:

Laura: moving forward, so.

623

:

Xhafer: Leo Obin tells us this child was

born in a lab from Kara's ovary, ovaries.

624

:

He doesn't specify half.

625

:

They took

626

:

Laura: no.

627

:

I think it's one.

628

:

I think they took one.

629

:

Xhafer: During her time on the farm with

Leo bin's uh, genetic contribution and

630

:

a surrogate mother who is totes dead.

631

:

Don't read into it.

632

:

Don't ask questions.

633

:

She's so dead guys.

634

:

and just leaves her babysitting.

635

:

Unceremoniously.

636

:

Laura: Unwillingly

637

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

638

:

Laura: to Starbuck I think demands that

he take it several times and he does not.

639

:

Xhafer: No.

640

:

Laura: I hate

641

:

Xhafer: Yeah, he's the

642

:

worst.

643

:

Laura: ballar.

644

:

Freaking sucks.

645

:

Bin's pretty fucking terrible too, like.

646

:

Xhafer: Leo Open is, I

don't want to say too much.

647

:

Laura: Bin seems like a very

personal, kind of terrible, whereas

648

:

Baltar is like a societal level.

649

:

Terrible.

650

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I feel like Leo Obin

feels more abusive in a lot of ways,

651

:

um, whereas what Baltar or a like Cavel

is up to is a lot more wide sweeping.

652

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

653

:

Xhafer: So yeah, personal's

the, I think the right word.

654

:

Laura: Yeah.

655

:

Everything he's doing is on a very

individual level that we've seen so far.

656

:

Like every time he's tortured Starbuck

his like, original discussion with Adama,

657

:

it's all very individual focused, where

Baltar is fucking up everyone's life.

658

:

Xhafer: What that one British hat say

that everyone takes the wrong lesson

659

:

from the death of one is a tragedy.

660

:

The death of millions is a statistic.

661

:

Laura: Yep.

662

:

Yeah.

663

:

Bin is a tragedy.

664

:

Baltar is a statistic.

665

:

yeah,

666

:

So Rosalyn uh, goes to talk to Saul

667

:

Xhafer: yeah,

668

:

Laura: and she says, no

more suicide bombings.

669

:

And at some point she slaps him.

670

:

That was really satisfying.

671

:

Xhafer: yeah.

672

:

And my notes say, slaps

the shit out of him.

673

:

Laura: Yeah.

674

:

Which hurt more

675

:

Saul.

676

:

Losing the eye or getting

slapped by Rosalyn.

677

:

Xhafer: he questioned her loyalty

and she did not have any interest

678

:

in entertaining that idea.

679

:

Laura: Yeah.

680

:

Xhafer: So like, oh, so you, oh,

you don't want suicide bombings.

681

:

You must be working for the Cylons

682

:

Laura: Saul tells Rosalyn that his job

right now is to just stir up the silences

683

:

so he can be a distraction for Adama.

684

:

So I love that we like

planned this part too.

685

:

Like we planned, we're gonna leave

a raptor for you and then you're

686

:

just gonna make as much chaos as you

possibly can so we can like slip in.

687

:

Xhafer: yeah.

688

:

It's a good plan.

689

:

It seems to be working.

690

:

They do slip in.

691

:

Laura: Yeah.

692

:

Yeah.

693

:

Um, and Saul says some stuff about,

like, I, I, I'm a commander, I always

694

:

have to send soldiers to die somehow.

695

:

Like

696

:

Xhafer: Yeah, if I send them in

697

:

a raptor, if I send them on the

ground, it doesn't fucking matter.

698

:

They're still dead.

699

:

Laura: Yeah.

700

:

Xhafer: Jamer goes to Boomer to help

out, try to get her to help Callie.

701

:

Laura: Interesting choice.

702

:

Jamer.

703

:

Xhafer: Well, Jamer was a deckhand, right?

704

:

So Jamer would've worked on Boomer

ship back when Boomer was there.

705

:

They have a connection.

706

:

He knows Boomer and

the Chief were a thing.

707

:

He was around for all of that.

708

:

Laura: Uhhuh.

709

:

Mm-hmm.

710

:

Xhafer: And so he understands that

there's a personal cord to pull here.

711

:

Laura: Yeah.

712

:

Even if Cali shot you

713

:

Xhafer: I mean, she's

not doing it for Callie.

714

:

Laura: right.

715

:

Xhafer: Let's be very clear about that.

716

:

Laura: Yeah.

717

:

Yeah.

718

:

So we don't get any information

about Callie at this point.

719

:

But he's, he's trying to pull

the strings and get some help.

720

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

721

:

We cut back over to Kara, who puts Casey

in a sofa timeout so she can go to the

722

:

bathroom to just be alone for a minute.

723

:

Laura: Yeah.

724

:

Wonder what that's like.

725

:

Xhafer: I, I am not a parent,

but I have heard that this, this

726

:

is something that happens often

727

:

Laura: Yeah.

728

:

Xhafer: from most of my friends with kids,

where it's all like, sometimes you just go

729

:

to the bathroom to be alone for a minute.

730

:

Laura: Uhhuh,

731

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

732

:

Laura: it's real.

733

:

Yep.

734

:

Anytime you can find a good,

like something that they're

735

:

irrationally invested in.

736

:

You know, give 'em some toilet paper

tubes and they're like, or uh, uh, give

737

:

them some paper towel tubes and they're

banging 'em on stuff and having fun, and

738

:

Xhafer: Yep.

739

:

Vanish into the background.

740

:

Laura: zone out for a minute.

741

:

Like, that's great.

742

:

great.

743

:

Xhafer: Yep.

744

:

Uh, While this is going on, Casey

starts running around and runs

745

:

into the completely non-child

proofed concrete and staircase.

746

:

This is only open for

not bringing a baby gate.

747

:

Like

748

:

Laura: I don't think for a second

that's what actually happened.

749

:

Like I,

750

:

Xhafer: oh.

751

:

I mean, yeah.

752

:

I mean, do you believe this is

actually a child of Karen Leo, open

753

:

Laura: Mm.

754

:

Xhafer: because you've got no reason to.

755

:

Laura: Yeah.

756

:

We know that they did

medical stuff to her,

757

:

Xhafer: Yeah, they took it over.

758

:

He.

759

:

Laura: yeah.

760

:

It seems dubious that we would just be

able to implant an embryo into another

761

:

woman and make it work if we're having

so much trouble making it work already.

762

:

You know what I mean?

763

:

Like that the, the biology's

not playing nice between the,

764

:

and the human components.

765

:

And to also add in the complications of

like surrogacy into that, I don't know.

766

:

But where'd we get a child then?

767

:

What did we do?

768

:

Is this like, is this a young six?

769

:

Like, does the, does the 12 model

silent have to grow up from.

770

:

A small one or do they

just come out fully adult?

771

:

Like Dunno.

772

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

773

:

Laura: I dunno.

774

:

I don't know if I believe it or not, but

I don't believe for a second this is just

775

:

a slip and fall on the concrete stairs.

776

:

Xhafer: Yeah, you shouldn't.

777

:

we'll get

778

:

Laura: hope Starbuck doesn't believe it.

779

:

I can't tell.

780

:

I don't know.

781

:

Xhafer: I mean, silences

are master manipulators.

782

:

So

783

:

Laura: Is Starbuck just playing along

because she realizes like, I've gotta

784

:

play along maybe a little bit in order

to get some freedom and get outta here?

785

:

Or is she finally starting to crack back?

786

:

Xhafer: We go over to Boomer, who goes to

see Callie who opens with, I wish I had a

787

:

gun shooting her once is just not enough.

788

:

That's Callie's opinion on things.

789

:

Laura: Yeah, Kelly.

790

:

Okay.

791

:

I don't know, I, I'm just

not just told on Kelly

792

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

793

:

Laura: she, you know, boomer tries

to be, she tries to overlook that.

794

:

She says like, I'm really happy

for you and Tyrell and Callie just

795

:

says, you're a fucking toaster.

796

:

Get outta here.

797

:

Leave us alone.

798

:

So, I dunno, dunno about that.

799

:

Xhafer: Another suicide bomber

takes out a power plant.

800

:

Only five more ma reactors to go as

the silences gather and decide to

801

:

escalate and send a message ordering

the execution of all the resistance

802

:

detainees they have right now.

803

:

They want ballar to

sign this order, though.

804

:

Laura: Yeah.

805

:

So they don't a hundred percent

agree on this being the right thing.

806

:

Like Caprica six is pretty objective.

807

:

Uh, She says no.

808

:

And they, they manipulate Kaka

six by putting a gun to Gaia's

809

:

head to do the signature.

810

:

And then they wind up shooting

her just to get her outta the way.

811

:

They're not gonna brick her.

812

:

In the S vault or whatever, but it's

gonna take her a minute to reboot.

813

:

Like so you're all on your own Gais for

this minute and now sign the damn papers.

814

:

But the second we shoot

Caprica six, guess who's back?

815

:

Xhafer: Six pt.

816

:

Laura: Yeah.

817

:

Xhafer: PT just rolls in.

818

:

Laura: Yeah.

819

:

Heavenly Glow

820

:

around six pt.

821

:

And she says, go ahead guys.

822

:

It's okay.

823

:

Sign it.

824

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

825

:

Laura: You need to live

for whatever reason.

826

:

Fuck

827

:

Xhafer: Yep.

828

:

Yep.

829

:

Your work isn't done.

830

:

You need to live.

831

:

So sign this thing.

832

:

And he's even refusing to her

833

:

Laura: Uhhuh,

834

:

Xhafer: and

835

:

Laura: is doing it.

836

:

Xhafer: Well, that's the

thing is he doesn't know it.

837

:

I would argue that he does

not consciously sign this.

838

:

Laura: It is true.

839

:

Yeah.

840

:

His hand is working without him.

841

:

Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

842

:

Yeah.

843

:

It's uh, this scene.

844

:

Is maybe the most consequential

scene of this season.

845

:

Laura: Wow.

846

:

Xhafer: I'll throw that out

there as a little, as a little

847

:

bait, a little, almost spoily.

848

:

Laura: Okay.

849

:

Xhafer: Um, this, the, if you think

that we've dealt with the repercussions

850

:

from this scene, you're wrong.

851

:

Laura: Oh yeah.

852

:

No, I don't think we have for sure, for

853

:

Xhafer: well, I mean, at any

point for the next 20 episodes,

854

:

Laura: Wow.

855

:

Okay.

856

:

Interesting.

857

:

Yeah, so

858

:

we get.

859

:

Xhafer: and wide.

860

:

Laura: We go from that dramatic moment

to another rather dramatic moment

861

:

as Adama takes Sharon's oath.

862

:

Xhafer: Yes.

863

:

She takes the colonial officer

oath and gets reinstated as a

864

:

Laura: Question mark.

865

:

Xhafer: I don't know

how much of that counts.

866

:

It was definitely boomer's rank.

867

:

Yep.

868

:

Duh,

869

:

Laura: hand wavy a little bit.

870

:

Xhafer: it definitely couldn't

just be that they already had

871

:

the uniforms tailored in her size

with those rank pins attached.

872

:

Laura: you know, she's gotta

have some kind of rank maybe to

873

:

get people to listen to her, so,

874

:

Xhafer: I'm sure

875

:

Laura: okay.

876

:

Because I'm sure they're all gonna

love listening to her on the surface.

877

:

Xhafer: Yeah, I, I'm sure lieutenant

doesn't mean what it meant.

878

:

When when Boomer got the rank,

879

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

880

:

Xhafer: just given the, I mean, helos

an XO right now and he's a lieutenant

881

:

or a captain or something like, I

think he, I think he was a lieutenant.

882

:

He might be promoted now.

883

:

Lee's commanding a Battlestar as a major.

884

:

So I mean, it's just like

885

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

886

:

Xhafer: a lot of it goes out the window

pretty quick when the ranks collapse.

887

:

Laura: Yeah.

888

:

Helo the Jimbo is our xo.

889

:

I hadn't thought about that.

890

:

Oh gosh.

891

:

Um, but he congratulates her and

reminds her that like, this uniform

892

:

is a symbol that means a lot to me.

893

:

Please don't fuck it up.

894

:

Basically,

895

:

Xhafer: yeah,

896

:

Laura: Oh.

897

:

And, and Sharon asks Adama like,

how do you know you can trust me?

898

:

Xhafer: yeah.

899

:

This is great.

900

:

Laura: Yeah.

901

:

Xhafer: 'cause he's just like,

I don't, that's what trust is.

902

:

Laura: yeah, yeah.

903

:

He, he doesn't know he

can trust anyone, right?

904

:

Like, do we ever know we can trust people?

905

:

We just do.

906

:

Xhafer: I mean, what

other options do you got?

907

:

Laura: it's so good.

908

:

It's so good.

909

:

But he wishes her good hunting, which

to me is like, yeah, I don't know.

910

:

I can trust you, but I am a

hundred percent trusting you.

911

:

So let's go.

912

:

Xhafer: It's what you got.

913

:

Laura: Good luck.

914

:

Use it wisely.

915

:

Use this power for good and not for evil.

916

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

917

:

Laura: Hey, remember Ellen?

918

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

919

:

Just barely

920

:

Laura: Yeah.

921

:

Xhafer: tried to forget.

922

:

Laura: She's

923

:

still doing the thing.

924

:

Xhafer: Yep.

925

:

She's sleeping with Cavel again.

926

:

And this time he's asking for stuff.

927

:

He's asking for the location of soul's.

928

:

Next, big resistance leadership meeting.

929

:

Laura: Yeah.

930

:

She does try to play stupid.

931

:

Like the what now,

932

:

Saul?

933

:

Xhafer: it?

934

:

Laura: No, not my teddy bear.

935

:

Saul.

936

:

Not that guy who's definitely not

totally unhinged at this point.

937

:

And she does try to like,

distract him from all this,

938

:

but he's like, no more games.

939

:

You work for me now.

940

:

I require information and you must get it.

941

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

942

:

Laura: I'm not sure how

Ellen is still wound up here.

943

:

Like, I don't know, maybe

that will become clearer.

944

:

Xhafer: Um, yes,

945

:

Laura: Hmm.

946

:

Xhafer: ish.

947

:

I'll leave it at that.

948

:

Anyways Tyrell tells Ty about the Marines

ordinance and Sharon that are incoming.

949

:

Anders suggests the location, they plot

where they're gonna meet, and then when

950

:

Ty goes to burn the map, Ellen's all like,

oh, let me handle that for you, honey.

951

:

And then STEs it.

952

:

Laura: Yeah, I think like half

of it, she does drop in the fire,

953

:

but the rest of it, she keeps,

I don't know how much she heard.

954

:

I didn't write that down.

955

:

'cause she, she comes in in

the middle of their discussion.

956

:

So I don't know.

957

:

I don't remember if she actually

heard that it's Sharon coming or

958

:

she just knows someone is coming.

959

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

960

:

Laura: That might be important.

961

:

I kind of wish I'd written it down.

962

:

Xhafer: I uh, just, yeah.

963

:

I don't know how much of

it she actually catches.

964

:

I think she just thinks it's

a, a resistance leadership

965

:

meeting that he won't be at

because Anders is the one going

966

:

that's all that matters to her.

967

:

Laura: That's all that matters to her.

968

:

Yeah.

969

:

Okay.

970

:

She's willing to sell out Anders,

but not a hundred percent willing

971

:

to sell out Ty at this point.

972

:

Yeah.

973

:

So she, she does care about him

in her own weird way, I guess.

974

:

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

975

:

Laura: But we get to cut to

ga, us screaming at Gaas.

976

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

977

:

Someone yelling about

this executive order.

978

:

Laura: Mm.

979

:

We get Rosalyn being arrested.

980

:

Is she like, pulled out from the

classroom, if I remember right.

981

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

982

:

Yeah.

983

:

The I se shows up and to

grab her in the classroom.

984

:

Laura: Mm-hmm.

985

:

Yeah.

986

:

And we get a boomer arguing with

Deanna about killing Callie.

987

:

She's, she's going to go ahead

and have some empathy for Callie,

988

:

even though Callie like didn't

make the best impression in the

989

:

last.

990

:

Hmm.

991

:

Oh, and hey, guess who's back?

992

:

Remember

993

:

Xhafer: Yeah.

994

:

So Laura gets thrown in the back

of this van and next to her is Tom

995

:

Zarik, and they get to be buddy buddy

for a couple of minutes in light of

996

:

everything that is about to happen.

997

:

Laura: Yeah.

998

:

This is where he tells us like, I

think I've been gone for four months.

999

:

I guess he was just arrested.

:

00:43:49,044 --> 00:43:53,004

The second the silence showed up and

he's just been hanging out in a cell.

:

00:43:53,769 --> 00:43:54,279

Xhafer: Yep.

:

00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:56,589

That has been, that has been the thing.

:

00:43:56,839 --> 00:44:01,459

He has just been, he refused

to help Baltar immediately

:

00:44:02,169 --> 00:44:02,589

Laura: Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:03,289 --> 00:44:11,929

Xhafer: and was just kind of there and was

immediately thrown in a cell and he's just

:

00:44:11,929 --> 00:44:16,189

been rotting in a cell this entire time.

:

00:44:16,249 --> 00:44:17,929

Unable to help the resistance.

:

00:44:18,964 --> 00:44:19,294

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:44:19,894 --> 00:44:21,634

Smart though, like on their part,

:

00:44:22,084 --> 00:44:22,174

like.

:

00:44:23,444 --> 00:44:25,484

Xhafer: Zurich's not a guy

you want running around.

:

00:44:26,178 --> 00:44:28,098

He could be an actual problem.

:

00:44:29,298 --> 00:44:29,808

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:44:29,928 --> 00:44:33,108

I don't think it's quite, maybe

it is quite here, but there I

:

00:44:33,108 --> 00:44:37,458

definitely was like, oh, Eric

and Rosalyn are kind of cute

:

00:44:40,458 --> 00:44:41,268

together.

:

00:44:41,568 --> 00:44:42,318

Xhafer: Yeah,

:

00:44:42,438 --> 00:44:43,518

this is a good time.

:

00:44:46,283 --> 00:44:46,823

. Laura: Uh,

:

00:44:47,123 --> 00:44:50,753

Maybe it's just that Zarek has like,

been imprisoned for four months and

:

00:44:50,753 --> 00:44:54,233

he is just so happy to see anyone

that he's like glowing at Roslyn.

:

00:44:54,233 --> 00:44:54,413

But

:

00:44:58,973 --> 00:45:03,443

I thought there might be a little

something there that's all as we're

:

00:45:03,443 --> 00:45:10,383

like taking this caravan of arrested

people somewhere Anders and his

:

00:45:10,383 --> 00:45:12,723

team are headed to the drop point.

:

00:45:13,626 --> 00:45:14,046

Xhafer: Yes.

:

00:45:14,046 --> 00:45:17,476

Anders and his, Anders and his

team are going to be meeting

:

00:45:17,476 --> 00:45:19,456

up with whoever gets sent.

:

00:45:20,596 --> 00:45:25,746

Um, they are aware at this point, but they

go and we get this fun little callback.

:

00:45:26,378 --> 00:45:28,208

Uh, their little code words

:

00:45:28,973 --> 00:45:30,533

Laura: Yeah, it's all pyramid stuff.

:

00:45:30,788 --> 00:45:33,488

Xhafer: well, it's very

specifically not just pyramid stuff.

:

00:45:33,728 --> 00:45:37,118

It's when Papa Dama met Anders,

:

00:45:37,433 --> 00:45:37,553

Laura: Uhhuh.

:

00:45:37,798 --> 00:45:38,158

Mm-hmm.

:

00:45:38,528 --> 00:45:41,288

Xhafer: it's all like, the celebrity

of him is there because he's

:

00:45:41,288 --> 00:45:42,788

a famous sports player, right.

:

00:45:43,298 --> 00:45:48,008

And Adama responds to the celebrity

by saying, oh, well yeah, you

:

00:45:48,008 --> 00:45:51,398

were good on this team, but I

was always a Picon Panthers fan,

:

00:45:51,878 --> 00:45:52,228

Laura: Uhhuh

:

00:45:52,988 --> 00:45:53,378

Xhafer: right?

:

00:45:53,408 --> 00:45:56,558

And so the call word is Go Panthers.

:

00:45:56,708 --> 00:45:59,498

Sea B rule is in the Capric Buccaneers.

:

00:46:00,158 --> 00:46:03,938

So it's the two teams that, the

team that Anders played for, and

:

00:46:03,938 --> 00:46:08,415

then Adama's favorite team which

is how they were first introduced.

:

00:46:08,605 --> 00:46:12,025

As you know, it's like, oh yeah, I,

I like the other teams to fuck off.

:

00:46:12,355 --> 00:46:14,425

Um, your celebrity won't work here.

:

00:46:15,325 --> 00:46:17,635

So it's a callback to that moment,

which I thought was a lot of fun.

:

00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:26,080

Laura: Yes, it it is a lot of fun and

it reminds us that this Sharon worked

:

00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,710

with Anders on the surface of capa.

:

00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:36,790

So yes, Sharon is probably gonna be a

problem for a lot of resisting humans.

:

00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:41,320

But she is not a problem necessarily

for Anders because his experience

:

00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,677

with her is that she was trying.

:

00:46:44,254 --> 00:46:46,834

Xhafer: Yeah, they, yeah,

they immediately hug.

:

00:46:47,455 --> 00:46:47,875

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:46:48,295 --> 00:46:49,105

Xhafer: it's nice to see,

:

00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:54,175

Laura: Now, as the, the convoy

is like heading out Gita's

:

00:46:54,175 --> 00:46:55,735

looking for someone in it.

:

00:46:55,735 --> 00:46:56,365

Yes.

:

00:46:57,205 --> 00:46:57,715

Xhafer: yes,

:

00:46:58,195 --> 00:47:00,085

Laura: Is he looking for Roslyn or Callie?

:

00:47:00,385 --> 00:47:03,895

Xhafer: he is looking,

presumably for Callie,

:

00:47:04,385 --> 00:47:06,065

he might be looking for Rosalyn.

:

00:47:06,755 --> 00:47:10,755

Um, we don't know who, they don't say

who Gada is looking for, but he has been.

:

00:47:11,375 --> 00:47:17,225

He has been broached about helping Callie

and I would think that he has a super

:

00:47:17,225 --> 00:47:19,404

invested interest in Rosalyn as well.

:

00:47:19,974 --> 00:47:25,194

Laura: yeah, so Jada's just doing

his damnedest, but he's up a creek.

:

00:47:25,766 --> 00:47:31,826

We go over to the silent

hospital, I guess,

:

00:47:32,218 --> 00:47:33,268

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:33,705 --> 00:47:39,135

Laura: Where Star Bees is praying

for Casey at her hospital bed.

:

00:47:39,465 --> 00:47:39,915

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:47:40,305 --> 00:47:42,255

They might have just

moved this into the cell.

:

00:47:42,915 --> 00:47:45,675

We don't really get a good

view of what the room is like.

:

00:47:45,705 --> 00:47:46,215

Laura: don't.

:

00:47:46,545 --> 00:47:51,336

Xhafer: Uh, but uh, Kara is

offering prayers up for Casey.

:

00:47:52,161 --> 00:47:55,461

Laura: And Leo's like trying to

comfort her saying it was an accident.

:

00:47:55,461 --> 00:47:58,191

And I'm like, no, it

absolutely was not you.

:

00:47:58,191 --> 00:47:58,791

Fool.

:

00:47:59,286 --> 00:47:59,706

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:01,641 --> 00:48:04,161

Laura: Don't, don't

fall for the star be's.

:

00:48:04,191 --> 00:48:06,856

Please don't, don't.

:

00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:12,519

But star be's seems moved

when Casey like wakes up.

:

00:48:12,609 --> 00:48:13,029

So.

:

00:48:14,169 --> 00:48:14,589

Hmm.

:

00:48:14,919 --> 00:48:19,257

Is it real or is it subterfuge?

:

00:48:20,937 --> 00:48:24,057

Xhafer: we will see in an

episode or two, I'm sure.

:

00:48:24,957 --> 00:48:30,025

Uh, Zurich asked Rosalyn about stealing

the election as they all get pulled out

:

00:48:30,025 --> 00:48:32,111

of the uh, backs of these cargo trucks.

:

00:48:32,471 --> 00:48:33,226

Laura: This is so cute.

:

00:48:34,151 --> 00:48:34,586

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:35,201 --> 00:48:37,781

It's all like, wish you had me too.

:

00:48:40,871 --> 00:48:43,331

That'll teach you not

to steal an election.

:

00:48:44,171 --> 00:48:46,721

Laura: He's like, yeah, you would've

been way better than this, fool.

:

00:48:46,721 --> 00:48:47,921

I'm really sorry.

:

00:48:50,831 --> 00:48:52,751

I made a horrible mistake.

:

00:48:52,751 --> 00:48:54,281

Can you ever forgive me?

:

00:48:54,486 --> 00:48:54,776

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:48:57,221 --> 00:49:04,421

Laura: And then Jamer and his si

comrades allow the prisoners a rest

:

00:49:04,871 --> 00:49:06,491

Xhafer: Yeah, they're

gonna stretch their legs.

:

00:49:06,941 --> 00:49:08,471

Laura: air quotations.

:

00:49:08,501 --> 00:49:09,461

Very important.

:

00:49:11,833 --> 00:49:16,003

Xhafer: We see a centurion shoot up

the resistance meetup at the same

:

00:49:16,003 --> 00:49:21,973

time we see cys coming up over the

hilltop at the Gather detainees.

:

00:49:22,783 --> 00:49:28,393

Cali is freed by Jamer, and while she

is running away, we hear gunshots.

:

00:49:29,533 --> 00:49:30,763

End of episode.

:

00:49:31,513 --> 00:49:35,083

How did you not watch the

next th the first two or

:

00:49:35,083 --> 00:49:36,583

three minutes of the next one?

:

00:49:37,078 --> 00:49:37,678

Laura: I

:

00:49:37,843 --> 00:49:38,713

Xhafer: I don't even remember.

:

00:49:38,713 --> 00:49:42,643

If they tell us that quickly

what happens here, but I would've

:

00:49:42,643 --> 00:49:45,703

immediately gone, if not held back by.

:

00:49:46,433 --> 00:49:51,588

One my fore knowledge at this venture

and previously forced to wait a week.

:

00:49:52,223 --> 00:49:54,203

Laura: no, I, I really want to watch it.

:

00:49:54,323 --> 00:50:05,153

Um, I think that in my heart, I feel

this is a faint, like, because we

:

00:50:05,153 --> 00:50:07,913

do see Zurich like, pull Rosalyn

away and I'm like, we're not

:

00:50:07,913 --> 00:50:11,783

killing Zurich and Rosalyn here now.

:

00:50:13,223 --> 00:50:19,433

So I wonder if the gunfire we're

hearing is actually them shooting at the

:

00:50:20,063 --> 00:50:22,013

detainees or something else is happening.

:

00:50:22,013 --> 00:50:25,253

And, and part of me's like this

could be classic, faint, like.

:

00:50:26,003 --> 00:50:28,853

We're supposed to think they're

gunning down these detainees right

:

00:50:28,853 --> 00:50:30,323

now, but something else has happened.

:

00:50:30,833 --> 00:50:31,223

So

:

00:50:31,748 --> 00:50:32,098

Xhafer: Maybe

:

00:50:32,993 --> 00:50:34,043

Laura: I don't know.

:

00:50:34,763 --> 00:50:35,003

I don't

:

00:50:35,228 --> 00:50:35,428

Xhafer: know

:

00:50:36,357 --> 00:50:37,297

in the next episode

:

00:50:38,062 --> 00:50:38,662

Laura: Yeah.

:

00:50:39,155 --> 00:50:40,565

Xhafer: You'll, you'll know soon enough.

:

00:50:40,875 --> 00:50:43,755

But before then, we should

probably rate this one.

:

00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:44,850

Laura: oh.

:

00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:45,660

It's so good.

:

00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:46,980

It's so good.

:

00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:51,210

I, I can give this an 11,

like there wasn't anything

:

00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:53,160

where I'm poking holes at it.

:

00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:56,130

Everything kept me engaged.

:

00:50:56,970 --> 00:51:00,720

I'm glad to see Eric

'cause I think he could be.

:

00:51:01,074 --> 00:51:02,964

I hope he is like, learned a lesson

:

00:51:03,314 --> 00:51:03,734

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:04,014 --> 00:51:04,734

Laura: from all this.

:

00:51:07,464 --> 00:51:11,484

I hope that he's been the guy who

spent his four months in jail,

:

00:51:11,484 --> 00:51:18,504

like journaling and developing

some better ideas than like.

:

00:51:19,148 --> 00:51:22,838

A motivation of just like I have

to beat Rosalyn and be in charge

:

00:51:22,898 --> 00:51:26,078

because that went so poorly for him.

:

00:51:26,228 --> 00:51:34,478

So I would love to see a little like,

change arc for Zarik, but I don't know.

:

00:51:34,838 --> 00:51:39,368

And I wanna see how we get

Zrich and Rosalyn out of this.

:

00:51:39,488 --> 00:51:43,298

Like, it, it could be one, I guess

you could kill either one of them.

:

00:51:43,298 --> 00:51:45,398

But you're not killing

both at this moment?

:

00:51:45,428 --> 00:51:46,508

I think so.

:

00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:47,243

Xhafer: Yeah.

:

00:51:47,828 --> 00:51:52,058

Laura: Oh, and we've just set up so much

with like, now Sharon's on the surface.

:

00:51:52,058 --> 00:51:53,288

How's that gonna go?

:

00:51:53,348 --> 00:51:55,238

Oh, it's just such an exciting setup.

:

00:51:55,988 --> 00:51:56,528

I'm happy.

:

00:51:57,216 --> 00:51:57,816

What do you think?

:

00:51:58,371 --> 00:51:59,691

Xhafer: I agree with

you a hundred percent.

:

00:52:00,151 --> 00:52:01,831

It's an, I wrote down 11 outta 12.

:

00:52:02,581 --> 00:52:06,661

Anything I would say about this

episode you have just said, so

:

00:52:06,991 --> 00:52:10,781

I will uh, not just repeat those

things and instead acknowledge

:

00:52:10,781 --> 00:52:12,401

that we are in complete agreement.

:

00:52:13,226 --> 00:52:16,736

Laura: I am so curious how you

have been able to doctor up a,

:

00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:18,850

teaser for the next episode,

:

00:52:18,985 --> 00:52:21,415

Xhafer: I had to take out

like two or three sentences,

:

00:52:21,580 --> 00:52:21,880

Laura: okay.

:

00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,120

I was like, I imagine there

had to be some spoilers, like,

:

00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,140

Xhafer: There was a little bit,

um, but some of them I feel like

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are worth leaving in some of them.

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I cut.

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It wasn't too bad.

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The one, the one I had was pretty bland.

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I think spoilers, 'cause

this is a two-parter.

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We've got season three episode

three, Exodus part one.

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So it says part one right on it.

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So that's, that in itself

is kind of a spoiler.

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Um, and I will say I would

expect the spoiler description on

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Exodus part two to be a lot more

that I'm gonna have to edit out

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if my memory of this two parter is intact.

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We'll see how much happens

in one, what happens in two,

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Laura: I feel like the name Exodus

seems to imply that we're gonna get

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off this planet in these next two

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Xhafer: which is, which is why I leave

the first sentence alone because the

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name of the episode implies things.

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Sharon helps the resistance as

Adamo leads the rescue operation.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Anders uncovers treachery

amongst the humans, and number

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three meets the Oracle oid.

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I think I'm saying that right.

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After Strange Dreams.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That one I really wanted to leave in

there because it's just like, huh?

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Laura: Number

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three.

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Xhafer: going on.

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Laura: Number three is Deanna.

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Right.

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Xhafer: Correct.

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Laura: Okay.

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And there's an Oracle.

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Xhafer: There's an oracle.

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We love

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Laura: Huh?

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I don't remember what the Oracle

Act like is in this society.

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I feel like we've talked about

Oracles, but are they like, like

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high priests and priestesses or,

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Xhafer: We'll get into it more.

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Next episode.

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I'm just gonna let it linger.

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I thought it was a fun little tease at

another storyline that's gonna start.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So does this, I'm wondering, and you

don't have to tell me yet, I guess, but

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I think in, in our midpoint episode, I

said something about like, I feel like

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we're gonna get four or five episodes on

this planet and then we're gonna leave.

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Xhafer: You did,

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Laura: That seems like if, if

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the end of

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Xhafer: nailed it.

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Yeah, you

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might've nailed

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Laura: I might have nailed it.

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That would be great.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Wow.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: you know, so, like I said you

know, there's a reason that Spoiler chat

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was all like, Hey, some things were said.

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So,

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Laura: Love you.

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Spoiler chat.

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Xhafer: You know, I'll leave it at that.

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I won't get into the details.

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Uh, you'll see it one day,

you'll see it in like two years.

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Until then.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Love you guys.

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Xhafer: Um, I mean really once we

hit the end of Galactica, there's

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no reason to not open up spoiler

chat for you because there's nothing

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in Caprica or Blood and Chrome.

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I feel like that is sufficiently

spoilery that will be anything

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at that point that is coming.

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Doesn't matter

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after you hit the finale.

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Even the stuff in the plan,

I think probably wouldn't

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even matter at that point.

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Laura: cool.

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Xhafer: but that's a while away.

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What's not a while away is us thanking

Jeremy Siegel for our lovely theme music.

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Hey Jeremy, thanks so much.

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Appreciate you.

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00:55:37,697 --> 00:55:39,257

Thanks for composing

our lovely theme music.

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You can find more of Jeremy's work

at Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com

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or on streaming services

as nuclear Jaguar.

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00:55:47,432 --> 00:55:49,742

Laura: And thanks to angry

duck time machine on Instagram

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for our podcast artwork.

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00:55:51,422 --> 00:55:55,052

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks for editing

this podcast and dealing with my inane

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ramblings when I ask for a drop and

then having to search the internet

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for a thing that I had a memory of

that I was probably poorly describing.

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Appreciate you, buddy.

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Laura: Hey, and listeners,

thanks for being here.

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Thanks for everything.

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Spoiler chat.

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You're just the best group.

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We really appreciate you guys

listening and engaging in the discord

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00:56:17,724 --> 00:56:19,734

and being here for each other.

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00:56:19,734 --> 00:56:24,474

There was just a chat the other

day that just delighted me where

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00:56:24,474 --> 00:56:29,394

someone was having like a computer

problem and they posted about it in

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00:56:29,394 --> 00:56:32,124

the Discord and we started Diagno.

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00:56:32,304 --> 00:56:37,344

I say we, I had nothing to do with it,

but the, the group started diagnosing

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00:56:37,344 --> 00:56:39,534

the problem and helping get it solved.

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00:56:39,534 --> 00:56:43,644

And I was like, man, what a

nice little group of people

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00:56:43,644 --> 00:56:45,024

to take care of this together.

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00:56:45,925 --> 00:56:46,165

Xhafer: Yeah.

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00:56:46,850 --> 00:56:50,180

Laura: I, I had nothing to add, but

it warmed my heart to see it happen.

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00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:50,948

Xhafer: Yeah.

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00:56:51,653 --> 00:56:54,639

Laura: So if you wanna join that

group, make sure uh, check out the

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00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,199

Discord link in the show notes.

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00:56:56,499 --> 00:56:58,059

Xhafer: Yeah, get in there.

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00:56:58,218 --> 00:57:00,168

Join the group, hang out.

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It's a great time.

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All right.

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Well, I guess we'll see you next weekend.

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Laura: Bye.

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Who Are You?
A Babylon 5 Watchcast
Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.