Crusade 2 - Racist Against Reubens

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and welcome to Who Are You?

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It's the Babylon 5 watch cast by

a couple of former strangers, now

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friends, who are getting to know

each other over one of their favorite

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shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: And I'm Ja'far.

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Laura: and Jaffer, today I get

to ask you, where are you going?

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Xhafer: Well, where I'm going

is I'm going to the motherland.

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Laura: Ja'far?

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Xhafer: Well, the source of my

incredibly distinct name is my

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father's family, and they're all

from Albania, which is where I'll be

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going for the first time in October.

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I'm very excited.

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I am a multi generation American North

American through my Albanian family.

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So I'm not particularly,

I, I have relatives there.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: There, there are

no one I've ever met.

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And I'm going with my sister

her boyfriend, who's also

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one of my college roommates.

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Uh, I'm going, Beth is coming along.

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My uncle is going my mom declined.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: really her family

or her people anyways.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And then I might

have a couple of cousins.

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We had at one point about 75 people

invited to this trip to Europe.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: not many were able to

accept for a number of reasons.

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Laura: Sure.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: But I'm real excited.

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My sister's been once.

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My uncle's been about 10 times.

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Laura: How does one get to Albania?

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Xhafer: An airplane.

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Laura: Well, like, I mean, is there

just like an Albanian airport?

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What's the major city?

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Like, come on.

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Xhafer: Yeah, no no, I'll be, I'll

be flying in through the capital

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Tirana, which is a moderately, like

Albania is in the European union.

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It is a NATO country.

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Like, no, no, it is not large.

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I will be seeing approximately

half the country on my trip

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and that's taking it slow.

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Laura: I've got to do this now

because we just brought up the size.

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I need to know the square miles.

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Xhafer: Oh, it's like Rhode Island sized.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I love these European countries where you

can get from like one side to the other

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side in like, I don't know, an hour.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, it's mountainous where we'll be.

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Laura: Okay.

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Oh, that'll be pretty.

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That'll be nice.

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Xhafer: a handful of spots picked

out where I'm going to be hiking.

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there's a couple of really scenic places.

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The coast is like slowly becoming

a very famous party place.

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Laura: Ooh.

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Xhafer: in Europe.

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Not quite Ibiza, but it's

working its way there.

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so I'm gonna be having a lot

of fun there on that trip.

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We're doing 12 days in Albania working

our way through the southern region of

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it uh, which is where my family is from.

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My grandfather's family

is from the capital.

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My grandmother's family is from

a village of like 120, which Is

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about how big it is currently.

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I've definitely got

living relatives there.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: on the old family lot.

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Um, my, my great uncle actually

had a gravestone installed for

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him and his siblings there.

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none of them are buried there.

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They all died in North America.

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Uh, but I'll probably go visit that

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Laura: Yeah.

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That's neat.

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Xhafer: There's apparently, the village

specifically is, like, it has a cafe.

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I will walk in, be choked out

by cigarettes, get a couple

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strange looks, and leave.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, and then I will go to the

nearest town where we're hanging out.

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That's, yeah, so there's all that.

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And then at the end of that

12 days, I'm going to Prague.

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And we're going to spend four days in

Prague, and then we're going to come home.

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Laura: Mm.

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That'll be really cool.

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Xhafer: I am so excited.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: there.

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Laura: In Prague or just all both

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places in general.

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Xhafer: Albania.

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is so cheap.

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Like,

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Laura: I bet

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Xhafer: like five star hotels

are like 40 bucks a night.

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Like, it is so cheap there.

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The dollar is so strong.

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Laura: BRB planning my next trip going

to Albania so they're not on the Euro.

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Xhafer: They are on the Euro.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: it's just the uh, The local level

of inflation and cost and everything

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is like, oh, you have currency?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, I get it.

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Okay, man.

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Xhafer: I think they actually, I know

that they're EU, but I don't think

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they really use the Euro that much.

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I think they stick to, at the very least

it's preferred to use LEC, I think.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Xhafer: It's the local.

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I was told that I didn't need to worry

about it and that I would just show

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up and buy a bunch when I got there,

and that that was the way to do it.

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Laura: And that's fine.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: All right.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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English, not gonna be

super prevalent everywhere.

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Laura: That was my next question.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: So there is a, at this

point he is a friend of the family,

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because he is the guide for all

of my family when they go over.

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And to my knowledge, this is all he does.

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Laura: Just like translate

for people, take them

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Xhafer: No, no, no, just my family.

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Laura: Oh, just your family.

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Xhafer: Just when someone

from my family goes over,

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you go see Ali.

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He takes care of you while you're there.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Neat.

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Xhafer: Um, and it's funny because

he actually has a sister who

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lives about 15 miles away from me.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: Right?

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The world is so weird.

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Laura: It is.

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That's the truth.

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Xhafer: What are the

fucking chances of that?

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Yeah, so, I'm looking forward to it.

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It's going to be a really fun trip.

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And uh, see, it will be the farthest

away in miles I've ever been from home.

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Probably.

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Laura: Jaffer, that sounds like.

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A long road.

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ha ha.

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Xhafer: Episode 2, the

long road in front of us.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: we open on some

random humans doing stuff.

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And we see this giant CGI

eyeball in their window.

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Yeah.

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Laura: we have this crew, they're

doing something somewhere and then

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things get really shaky and the,

the dude is screaming about, it's

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back, call for help then opens the

curtain to this giant, not great CGI.

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Eyeball.

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That part can't be stressed enough.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We cut over to the Excalibur.

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Where Gideon is on what is

simultaneously the smallest and

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largest basketball court ever made.

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Laura: My god, Ja'far.

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This, Aaron paused this because I

was desperately trying to catch up

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my notes from the previous scene

for a moment and he was like, no,

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no, no, you've got to see this.

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And It's very much that, like, the,

the, the people, the humans are

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clustered in one side of the screen.

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And then we CGI'd the rest of this to

look like there's a gym behind them.

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Xhafer: but it's like the perspective

is all wrong like This gym must be the

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size of like several football fields.

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The way that it's set up, like it just

looked insanely massive to me for a

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basketball court, but we also only ever

see anyone on about five feet of it.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, there's like one shot

where we're like above Gideon on the

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basketball court and you can see people

on like exercise machines off behind him

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and then the rest is just CGI background.

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And then, yeah, and

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then we

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get,

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Xhafer: workout equipment.

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Mm

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Laura: to Gideon, so we get another

shot from, like, their height.

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And behind Gideon is just blank

space of, like, this awful tile

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pattern that goes on into eternity.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Ad infinitum.

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It is just insane how big this gym is!

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I, I literally just was paused

here and I'm just all like,

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I, how does this happen?

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Laura: Right, like, how did

this pass quality control?

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Yeah, but uh, they're gonna

move the plot forward some more

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here and go help these miners.

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As we cut over to the mobile infantry,

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Laura: yes, Aaron, Aaron paused here

as well and said, Tell me those aren't

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the helmets from Starship Troopers.

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Xhafer: They are exactly the

helmets from Starship Troopers.

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Actually, so, fun little fact.

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Starship Troopers was one of the last

big sci fi, big budget sci fi films to do

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full, like, non CGI outfits for people.

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And so, they made thousands of

these fucking helmets for extras.

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Because if you

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think about it, None of the humans

in that movie, I believe, are CGI.

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And think of, like, the waves

of people that you see at

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certain points of that movie.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: visible.

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So, around Hollywood, for at least

a decade after that film was made,

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This stuff was just floating around

and super easy to get your hands on.

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Laura: There's like a warehouse

just full of old Starship Trooper

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Like, oh, you're doing sci fi?

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Here, come get some stuff.

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Xhafer: Right?

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Like, yeah, it's like you know when

you got a big circle of friends

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and everyone's, like, having kids?

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It's all like, oh, it's your turn.

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Here's all the baby clothes that

all of your friend's kids had.

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It's that.

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But for sci fi helmets,

you can google this.

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Like, you can google, like, Starship

Troopers, fi Extended Universe, or like,

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proper usage and stuff, and just see all

of the crazy places this shit turned up.

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Because it's much more than you expect.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, that's fun.

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I really like that.

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Reduce, reuse, recycle, people,

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yeah.

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Xhafer: sure.

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They're perfectly good sci fi helmets.

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There's no reason to not reuse them.

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Laura: yeah.

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Xhafer: And and it's

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podcasting gold for us.

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So

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Laura: And here they're going to face

off against our CGI dragon to theme.

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Xhafer: this looks like it's

straight out of reboot to me.

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That's how bad the CGI is.

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Laura: Yeah, it's not good.

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It could be a lot better.

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Xhafer: I think PlayStation

one had better graphics.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: this is, this is if Lara Croft

Tomb Raider had to fight a dragon.

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And they forgot to render

the dragon for Tomb Raider 1.

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Laura: yeah, yeah, like, I mean,

maybe I'm having a little bit of

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bias Baldur's Gate right now and

that's some fantastic graphics.

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Uh,

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Xhafer: is so good.

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Laura: Have we had any

dragons yet in Baldur's Gate?

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We have not.

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I don't know if dragons

show up in Baldur's Gate.

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Then,

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heh.

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They've sure been mentioned alot

because Tiamat and whatever, but, yeah.

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I feel like that, having that perspective

of like playing this game at the same

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time you're looking at the CGI dragon.

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Mmmmmm.

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Xhafer: Like, I've been playing Dwarf

Fortress lately, which is notoriously

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low res, like, old school graphics.

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Laura: Aha.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Still feels better than this.

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's a golden dragon, which

is important to a plot point.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Not just because uh,

Galen's a total D& D nerd.

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And, and knows that golden

dragons are good dragons.

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Metallic dragons are good guys.

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So.

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We're

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fine.

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Mhmmm.

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Laura: Victor from last time on

would be pretty pissed because

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Gideon is reading a paper report

on the dragon attack, uh, to Galen.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Where do we get paper in space?

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One of the great mysteries.

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Xhafer: so Galen and Gideon

go over to the Medusa.

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Laura: Oh, I didn't catch the ship's name.

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Everything was going a little fast

for me, making notes, you know?

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Xhafer: Yeah, I didn't get the ship's

name until later in the episode.

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I left it blank.

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Uh, I do that a lot in my notes.

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I'll be like, oh, missed it.

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Just blank.

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They'll tell us later or it won't be

important and I won't say anything.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So that's smart.

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That's smart.

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Xhafer: But yeah, it's

an earth force destroyer.

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And they catch them up on their

strip mining of the planet for

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its antiviral mineral that also

extends everyone's lifespan.

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How they figured out that there was

something to even look for here is the

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average lifespan on this planet is 15

years longer than anywhere else in Earth's

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space, despite them having no technology.

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Laura: Yeah, we've already established

that like Earth lifespans are

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already longer because Bester's

like, like a hundred years

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old or something in our book.

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Xhafer: Hundred years old

and getting down in Paris.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Ooooo.

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Ooooo.

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Yeah, this society is a real,

like, up the long ladder situation.

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Uh, If you remember that episode

of The Next Generation, it's that,

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that's the Space Irish episode.

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So, they're not, like, racist

caricatures of anything, but they

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are, like, a medieval society that has

shunned all technology, and they're

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doing the whole agrarian thing.

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but they're, they're, like a human

colony that decided like, we're going to

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get rid of everything that got us here

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and just hang out and farm stuff.

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Xhafer: Not spoil this fucking planet.

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Laura: Uh, Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: we lived in Babylon 5 Universe,

my option one for me is Technomage,

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if Technomage isn't available.

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this.

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be an agrarian colonist

somewhere and just live.

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Laura: there's just like

no, nothing in between.

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Either I am the, the most

technological or I am the least.

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Xhafer: I'm not interested

in any of the middle ground.

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I've done enough fucking

updates of Windows to not be

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interested in that lifestyle.

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Laura: I mean the Babylon 5 future,

um, like a Star Trek future, I

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don't know why you would choose

the agrarian stuff, but a Babylon 5

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future, I can kind of get that, yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah, Star Trek, I'm doing

something different with my time for

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Laura: Yeah, there's, there's more,

more things, more fun to be had.

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Xhafer: got a lot more options.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah,

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Xhafer: Like fucking in the holodeck

man, so I've been rewatching Voyager

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and I forgot how horny they get

about holodeck fucking in that show

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Laura: I had forgotten too, because

I watched it when I was quite young.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm in season six

and they've got the the Irish

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town I Just watched yeah, I just

watched a couple of those episodes.

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: 00:16:21

It's just like man Even

Shikote's all like, Well, yeah,

338

: 00:16:25

but you fuck holograms, right?

339

: 00:16:26

Because it's totally

normal to fuck a hologram.

340

: 00:16:29

I'm just like, oh shit.

341

: 00:16:31

Okay.

342

: 00:16:32

Laura: I have always told people that

my favorite Star Trek was Deep Space

343

: 00:16:36

Nine, but then when I was re watching

Voyager, I was like, oh, could I be wrong?

344

: 00:16:40

Was it maybe actually Voyager all along?

345

: 00:16:42

I don't know.

346

: 00:16:45

No, I still love Deep Space Nine.

347

: 00:16:47

I won't give that up.

348

: 00:16:48

Xhafer: I mean, I'm always

just going to be a TNG fanboy.

349

: 00:16:52

But that has a lot more to do with, like,

that show's place in my personal history

350

: 00:16:57

Laura: Sure.

351

: 00:16:58

I think that that is true

for everybody, actually.

352

: 00:17:02

And whether or not you recognize

it, yeah, that's okay, but

353

: 00:17:07

Xhafer: Yeah the same thing happens

with uh, Final Fantasy games.

354

: 00:17:09

Everyone's favorite Final Fantasy game is

the first one that they really got into.

355

: 00:17:13

Regardless of when that was

or how much they played it.

356

: 00:17:16

Laura: hmm.

357

: 00:17:17

Sure.

358

: 00:17:18

Xhafer: Anyways so they go down after uh,

Galen gets Gideon some normie clothes.

359

: 00:17:24

Laura: Yeah, Galen kind of

takes this whole thing over.

360

: 00:17:27

He's like, Oh, well, um, So, us

two are just going to go down,

361

: 00:17:32

no guards, no military stuff.

362

: 00:17:35

We're going to do it in plainclothes,

like, let us try to handle this first.

363

: 00:17:39

And the EA captain is not,

like, super into that.

364

: 00:17:43

Xhafer: Yeah, but fuck him.

365

: 00:17:45

Laura: Yeah.

366

: 00:17:45

Xhafer: piece of shit.

367

: 00:17:47

Laura: Yeah,

368

: 00:17:47

Xhafer: Galen kind of hints that

he might know what's going on here.

369

: 00:17:51

Laura: Mm hmm.

370

: 00:17:51

Yeah.

371

: 00:17:52

Xhafer: He's like, I got an inkling.

372

: 00:17:54

And he's like, so you

gonna tell me if I'm right?

373

: 00:17:57

And what if you're wrong?

374

: 00:17:58

Well that's not gonna happen.

375

: 00:17:59

It's all like, okay dude.

376

: 00:18:02

Laura: I like Kaelin

though, I, I really do.

377

: 00:18:05

Xhafer: Tunas?

378

: 00:18:06

Is that the name of this drink that he

379

: 00:18:07

Laura: Oh, so we watch it with, um, with

the subtitles on, cause I need that.

380

: 00:18:14

And I think they're just called

like Toonies or something.

381

: 00:18:18

it's not Tuna, I think it's Toonie.

382

: 00:18:21

Xhafer: Toonies.

383

: 00:18:21

Laura: Yeah.

384

: 00:18:22

It was definitely

385

: 00:18:22

spelled with

386

: 00:18:23

like, Uh, that's,

387

: 00:18:26

Xhafer: Yeah,

388

: 00:18:28

Laura: Uh,

389

: 00:18:29

Xhafer: And toonies.

390

: 00:18:30

Yeah.

391

: 00:18:30

Laura: yeah, yeah, that's good.

392

: 00:18:32

That's real good.

393

: 00:18:33

they've like stumbled into the

Firefly set or costumes or something.

394

: 00:18:38

Like, it's not totally medieval,

but it's definitely like leaning

395

: 00:18:42

medieval Western, like on this planet.

396

: 00:18:46

Xhafer: For sure.

397

: 00:18:46

Laura: Yeah.

398

: 00:18:47

Gideon makes the classic

mistake of overpaying for

399

: 00:18:51

his beers in a foreign place.

400

: 00:18:53

Xhafer: Oh, man.

401

: 00:18:54

What a Rube, right?

402

: 00:18:56

Laura: indeed.

403

: 00:18:58

Xhafer: What's that even mean?

404

: 00:18:59

I need to look up the etymology

of that word before I say it.

405

: 00:19:02

Laura: Rube?

406

: 00:19:03

Xhafer: Rube.

407

: 00:19:04

I don't know what that means.

408

: 00:19:05

I don't know what that

actually comes from.

409

: 00:19:07

Laura: Oh, yeah.

410

: 00:19:08

Sometimes I've stumbled

into that, for sure.

411

: 00:19:12

But it's one of those things like the word

gets so far from the original meaning that

412

: 00:19:16

it's almost divorced of it and you're,

you don't have any context anymore.

413

: 00:19:20

Xhafer: It's an abbreviation

of the name Ruben.

414

: 00:19:23

racist against

415

: 00:19:25

Laura: racist against Rubens.

416

: 00:19:32

Ruben is a good sandwich.

417

: 00:19:33

I really like a Ruben sometimes.

418

: 00:19:36

Xhafer: Yeah.

419

: 00:19:37

Yeah, I'd get down on a Reuben.

420

: 00:19:38

I like Thousand Island.

421

: 00:19:40

Laura: Yeah, me too.

422

: 00:19:41

On a sandwich.

423

: 00:19:43

Xhafer: yeah, on a burger, I will, I

literally don't get anything besides

424

: 00:19:47

Thousand Island on a burger these days.

425

: 00:19:49

Why would I bother with anything else?

426

: 00:19:52

It's not going to be as good.

427

: 00:19:54

Ketchup and mustard.

428

: 00:19:55

Get out of here.

429

: 00:19:56

Mayo, please.

430

: 00:19:57

Laura: have you ever done

your Ruben with turkey?

431

: 00:19:59

Like if you're trying

to watch your Kcals or

432

: 00:20:02

Xhafer: I've,

433

: 00:20:02

Laura: Love a

434

: 00:20:03

Xhafer: turkey

435

: 00:20:03

Reubens.

436

: 00:20:04

Mm hmm.

437

: 00:20:05

Laura: So good.

438

: 00:20:06

Xhafer: Look, there's not a whole lot

of show for us to talk about here.

439

: 00:20:12

You want an hour long episode, this is

the content you can expect from Crusade.

440

: 00:20:18

Laura: For

441

: 00:20:19

Xhafer: Lord knows the show

isn't doing us any favors here

442

: 00:20:22

by making us talk about it.

443

: 00:20:24

Laura: Yeah.

444

: 00:20:25

So, because Gideon overpaid for

his beers, he really overplayed

445

: 00:20:29

his hand and the townspeople

know that they are not one of us.

446

: 00:20:34

But in addition to being like

out of towners, they're also

447

: 00:20:37

like probably out of planeters.

448

: 00:20:40

Xhafer: Yeah.

449

: 00:20:41

Laura: And they try to intimidate

Gideon and Galen here in this

450

: 00:20:47

inn, but they're interrupted by

lightning and thunder and wind.

451

: 00:20:53

Obviously another

technomage at this point.

452

: 00:20:55

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, Alwyn shows

up through the fog machines.

453

: 00:21:00

I like to think that, like,

they talk about, like, their

454

: 00:21:03

advanced technology and stuff.

455

: 00:21:05

It is just fog machines and,

like, light shows, right?

456

: 00:21:08

They're just, like, effectively,

like, middle school dance DJs.

457

: 00:21:12

Laura: Yeah, we've seen, what, one

Technomage before in Babylon 5?

458

: 00:21:16

Or do we actually have two Technomages?

459

: 00:21:17

I forget.

460

: 00:21:19

But,

461

: 00:21:19

Xhafer: Alrick.

462

: 00:21:21

And he's important for later.

463

: 00:21:23

Laura: Yeah!

464

: 00:21:25

Xhafer: He comes back in this episode.

465

: 00:21:26

Laura: we had

466

: 00:21:27

him.

467

: 00:21:27

and now we have Galen, and we have Alwin.

468

: 00:21:30

And, all Technomages do, as far as

I can tell so far, is hollow demons.

469

: 00:21:38

Xhafer: They fuckin love their Hollow

Demons, which comes up in a scene later in

470

: 00:21:43

this episode that I actually really liked.

471

: 00:21:45

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

472

: 00:21:46

So he's, he's doing the, the like bluff.

473

: 00:21:50

He's passed his bluff check

to make a D& D reference.

474

: 00:21:54

And he says, well, these guys are mine.

475

: 00:21:57

That coin that was, gave them

away, that was supposed to be

476

: 00:22:01

the signal to give them to me.

477

: 00:22:02

Like, get out of my way.

478

: 00:22:04

I'm going to, I'll take

care of this, you know?

479

: 00:22:07

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

480

: 00:22:07

So, they all leave.

481

: 00:22:09

They catch up a little.

482

: 00:22:11

Galen calls Alwyn out on the Gold

Dragon being, like, his calling card.

483

: 00:22:15

Laura: Yeah.

484

: 00:22:18

That made sense, though.

485

: 00:22:19

I was like, at least they, there was

a reason that Galen, like, hopped

486

: 00:22:23

to it to get involved in this.

487

: 00:22:25

Xhafer: Yeah.

488

: 00:22:26

And uh, Owen has them over for dinner.

489

: 00:22:29

Uh, We learn that he

is a former Technomage.

490

: 00:22:32

He has been removed from the Order.

491

: 00:22:34

He stayed in the galaxy as a protest

when the others decided to leave instead

492

: 00:22:39

of participate in the Shadow War.

493

: 00:22:41

Laura: Yeah.

494

: 00:22:42

This was interesting, and I really wanted

them to, like, connect the dots between

495

: 00:22:49

him getting kicked out for staying here

during the Shadow War and, like, the

496

: 00:22:52

responsibility he feels to these people.

497

: 00:22:55

Like, he's got some, like,

survivor's guilt about not Having

498

: 00:22:59

been able to do more in the

Shadow War, not explored at all.

499

: 00:23:05

Xhafer: Yet.

500

: 00:23:07

Just, just hold on.

501

: 00:23:09

Laura: Okay.

502

: 00:23:10

Xhafer: There, there's more about

the Technomages and the leaving

503

: 00:23:12

for the Shadow War to come.

504

: 00:23:15

Laura: Okay.

505

: 00:23:16

Alright.

506

: 00:23:17

Xhafer: We get some, there's

very specific reasoning for why.

507

: 00:23:22

Anyways yeah.

508

: 00:23:23

So Alwin makes clear that from

his perspective, he's tried

509

: 00:23:26

everything to end this peacefully.

510

: 00:23:29

And it's like, look, when they show up

with guns, they're leaving in boxes.

511

: 00:23:34

And then, you know, as he says this,

IceCube's natural born killas just

512

: 00:23:37

starts playing in the background.

513

: 00:23:40

Everyone puts on sunglasses.

514

: 00:23:42

Gets a lean on.

515

: 00:23:43

Yeah.

516

: 00:23:44

It's good stuff.

517

: 00:23:45

I really like that scene.

518

: 00:23:46

With the IceCube.

519

: 00:23:48

The uh, locals, um, move in the

night to halt the mining operation.

520

: 00:23:52

Shortly thereafter here

they kidnap a ton of people.

521

: 00:23:55

Laura: Yeah.

522

: 00:23:56

Hostages.

523

: 00:23:57

Let's talk fonts.

524

: 00:23:58

Let's fontcast this

525

: 00:24:00

Xhafer: Let's fontcast.

526

: 00:24:01

This is the exact moment I knew you

were going to want to talk about.

527

: 00:24:07

I knew immediately.

528

: 00:24:09

Because the villagers, like, stab a

note through the wall with a knife.

529

: 00:24:15

Which, have you ever done that before?

530

: 00:24:18

Laura: but it seems probably like one

of those things that's not as easy

531

: 00:24:21

as it always looks in the movies.

532

: 00:24:23

Xhafer: Oh, it's totally

as easy as it always looks.

533

: 00:24:25

It's super easy.

534

: 00:24:26

As long as you've got a decent knife, it's

535

: 00:24:28

Laura: Okay.

536

: 00:24:29

Sure.

537

: 00:24:29

I've probably never had

538

: 00:24:30

a,

539

: 00:24:30

decent knife.

540

: 00:24:31

Xhafer: I have done this.

541

: 00:24:32

I have also had a friend do this at an

apartment drunk off their ass in college.

542

: 00:24:37

And it's especially noteworthy because

he decided to do it by the front door,

543

: 00:24:42

and he did it right above the power box.

544

: 00:24:45

Laura: Oh,

545

: 00:24:46

Xhafer: like the, we were all just

like, Like, everything was fine.

546

: 00:24:51

Uh, He missed all the wires,

but he just threw a knife

547

: 00:24:54

through it right there to put a

548

: 00:24:56

Laura: Yeah.

549

: 00:24:57

Yeah.

550

: 00:24:58

Xhafer: terrifying in retrospect.

551

: 00:25:00

Laura: I want to know a

couple of things about this.

552

: 00:25:02

Xhafer: Yeah, let's talk.

553

: 00:25:03

Laura: Where did this agrarian

society get a printer?

554

: 00:25:06

Because this is clearly a font.

555

: 00:25:09

Xhafer: That is the exact thing I

have written in my notes, Laura.

556

: 00:25:12

Ha

557

: 00:25:13

Laura: The other thing is, where did

they get access to the Harry Potter font?

558

: 00:25:19

Because

559

: 00:25:20

Xhafer: movies

560

: 00:25:20

Laura: this is.

561

: 00:25:21

Xhafer: out yet!

562

: 00:25:21

Laura: Yeah, that's what this is.

563

: 00:25:23

This is, oh, maybe this is like an

early, you know, we're, we're testing

564

: 00:25:28

fonts for the next big magic book.

565

: 00:25:31

I don't know.

566

: 00:25:32

Xhafer: Hey Turner was part of Time

Warner, Warner Brothers made Harry Potter.

567

: 00:25:37

Laura: Oh,

568

: 00:25:38

Xhafer: that font's proprietary,

it might actually just been like

569

: 00:25:40

lurking in a database for them to use.

570

: 00:25:44

Laura: Crusade is now

canonical Harry Potter.

571

: 00:25:48

Xhafer: How you gonna

fuck this one up, Joanne?

572

: 00:25:52

Fuck you.

573

: 00:25:55

Anyways,

574

: 00:25:57

Laura: This, this note made me laugh.

575

: 00:25:59

There's just a lot of reasons.

576

: 00:26:01

Like, why didn't you have somebody

handwrite this, like, in a big marker?

577

: 00:26:05

Like, come on.

578

: 00:26:06

Xhafer: The only way this would have

been better, in my opinion, is if it

579

: 00:26:11

was the like, super stereotypical,

like, cut together newspaper magazine

580

: 00:26:16

stuff.

581

: 00:26:18

Because you know that society

doesn't have those things.

582

: 00:26:22

Laura: Mhmm.

583

: 00:26:25

Well, maybe they have a

subscription to Vogue.

584

: 00:26:27

Like, you don't know.

585

: 00:26:29

Xhafer: Space Vogue.

586

: 00:26:33

Laura: Cosmo.

587

: 00:26:36

Xhafer: They don't even

have to change their name!

588

: 00:26:41

Laura: I hope Cosmo makes

it into: 2270

589

: 00:26:44

I don't know.

590

: 00:26:45

Just just for funds.

591

: 00:26:47

Xhafer: I really want Cosmo to

turn into a spacefaring magazine.

592

: 00:26:52

Laura: Me too.

593

: 00:26:54

Xhafer: It's so good.

594

: 00:26:59

Anyways we learned that

Galen was Alric's apprentice.

595

: 00:27:04

Laura: Yeah,

596

: 00:27:05

we remember him.

597

: 00:27:06

Xhafer: Yep, he's the one who

fucked with Veer back on B5.

598

: 00:27:10

We learned that Galen's parents

were both Technomages as well.

599

: 00:27:14

Another fucking Nepo, baby.

600

: 00:27:16

Laura: Oh yeah.

601

: 00:27:18

Xhafer: You just get

602

: 00:27:19

inducted in the order when your

parents are fucking techno maids.

603

: 00:27:22

You just get born into your

billion dollar lifestyle, Galen.

604

: 00:27:28

Instead of having to fuckin

earn it like the rest of us.

605

: 00:27:30

Laura: Well, so far all we've seen of

techno mages is like, middle aged to old

606

: 00:27:35

bald men and it is kind of nice White too.

607

: 00:27:39

Yeah.

608

: 00:27:40

It is kind of nice to know that

theoretically, well, we don't

609

: 00:27:43

know that Galen's parents were

mom and dad, but maybe women are

610

: 00:27:47

allowed to be techno mages too?

611

: 00:27:49

Xhafer: Yeah.

612

: 00:27:51

right now is this is just

what happens to Bezos.

613

: 00:27:55

Like, everyone who's super rich in

the future by the time you get to

614

: 00:27:58

Babylon 5, like, instead of inheriting

wealth, you just become a technomage

615

: 00:28:03

and that's just, that's just how

you flaunt your wealth around.

616

: 00:28:07

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

617

: 00:28:08

That's, that's what Elon and,

Bezos are all gunnin for it, right?

618

: 00:28:12

They want to

619

: 00:28:12

Xhafer: Yeah.

620

: 00:28:14

For sure.

621

: 00:28:14

For sure.

622

: 00:28:15

I mean, Bezos already's got the haircut.

623

: 00:28:18

Laura: Mm hmm.

624

: 00:28:19

Yeah.

625

: 00:28:20

The haircut is most of it, right?

626

: 00:28:22

Xhafer: For sure, it's haircuts and robes.

627

: 00:28:24

Word makes it to Gideon about the

miners being held by the locals.

628

: 00:28:29

And we see the asshole captain

send down his lieutenant and some

629

: 00:28:32

mobile infantry to handle it.

630

: 00:28:34

Laura: Yeah.

631

: 00:28:35

He's gung ho.

632

: 00:28:36

He's like, this is how you

earn your stripes, bro.

633

: 00:28:39

Like, get down there and bust some heads.

634

: 00:28:41

Combat.

635

: 00:28:43

Xhafer: You need some combat experience

if you ever gonna be promoted, son!

636

: 00:28:46

Laura: Yeah.

637

: 00:28:47

Bleh.

638

: 00:28:48

Xhafer: They fly through the

dragon on their way down.

639

: 00:28:52

And we've got, I'll just call him,

I didn't write down his actual name.

640

: 00:28:55

I'm calling him Lieutenant JGDB.

641

: 00:28:58

Cause he's junior grade douchebag.

642

: 00:29:00

Laura: Yeah, I like that.

643

: 00:29:01

Okay.

644

: 00:29:02

Xhafer: He pushes all the

locals at the inn down.

645

: 00:29:06

And starts making demands as Olwen

and Galen uh, show up in the inn.

646

: 00:29:11

No quicker, does he say, not to worry,

they're all holograms, than does

647

: 00:29:15

he get socked in the face by one?

648

: 00:29:18

Laura: Yeah.

649

: 00:29:19

Xhafer: Perfection.

650

: 00:29:20

Laura: I do like that.

651

: 00:29:21

That's, that's got like overtones

of Londo and the Hollow Demons.

652

: 00:29:26

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

653

: 00:29:27

Laura: Yeah.

654

: 00:29:27

Xhafer: I was here for it.

655

: 00:29:28

Laura: Pretty good.

656

: 00:29:29

Pretty good.

657

: 00:29:31

Xhafer: and Galen are just watching

this demon program destroy everything.

658

: 00:29:35

And they're just like talking

shop during this whole thing.

659

: 00:29:39

Like they're just completely

ignoring what it's actually doing.

660

: 00:29:41

It's under control, whatever.

661

: 00:29:43

Right.

662

: 00:29:43

And they're just like talking about

like the actual design and writing

663

: 00:29:46

of the program and code and stuff

in a very nonchalant manner while it

664

: 00:29:51

is running roughshod over everyone.

665

: 00:29:53

I have had this conversation.

666

: 00:29:57

I have been in a, like, Security session.

667

: 00:30:01

So in managed service provider world,

one thing that we off service that we

668

: 00:30:06

offer for our clients that they usually

take us up on is security testing.

669

: 00:30:10

So we'll do something called a pen

test and that could be a phishing

670

: 00:30:14

attempt or whatever, right?

671

: 00:30:15

Like we fake a phishing

email and send it to you.

672

: 00:30:17

So then, and we know who clicks

it so that we can, we can

673

: 00:30:20

yell at those people, right?

674

: 00:30:21

That kind of stuff.

675

: 00:30:23

And so I have been in a like war room at

the start of like an aggressive pen test.

676

: 00:30:29

That we are conducting

on one of our clients.

677

: 00:30:32

And we're just like watching it

run across their network as we're

678

: 00:30:36

just sitting here talking about

what it's doing very nonchalantly.

679

: 00:30:40

And I was just transported back

to that moment of my life while

680

: 00:30:44

watching this conversation take place.

681

: 00:30:46

Laura: is a very Babylon 5 conversation.

682

: 00:30:48

Like you could see Zack and Garibaldi

sitting there having a conversation

683

: 00:30:53

during something crazy happening

or Lockley and Sheridan having this

684

: 00:30:59

conversation.

685

: 00:31:00

Like this is that kind of

dialogue that I missed and we're

686

: 00:31:04

not getting nearly enough of.

687

: 00:31:06

Haha.

688

: 00:31:06

Haha.

689

: 00:31:07

Xhafer: greed.

690

: 00:31:08

Over on the Medusa, Lieutenant JGDB

reports that the mission failed and

691

: 00:31:14

that they are now all also hostages.

692

: 00:31:18

Laura: Oops.

693

: 00:31:20

I want more of Lt.

694

: 00:31:22

J.

695

: 00:31:22

G.

696

: 00:31:23

D.

697

: 00:31:23

D.

698

: 00:31:24

B.

699

: 00:31:25

Damn, I can't do it.

700

: 00:31:26

It's all yours.

701

: 00:31:27

Xhafer: it is six letters in my

notes too because I abbreviate

702

: 00:31:30

the lieutenant so it's LTJGDB.

703

: 00:31:39

Laura: Lower Decks journey now.

704

: 00:31:40

Like, things aren't going well for

you after you get taken hostage on the

705

: 00:31:45

mission to take back the hostages, right?

706

: 00:31:48

You're gonna be scrubbing

some decks, is all I'm saying.

707

: 00:31:52

Xhafer: over at all wins the bar.

708

: 00:31:53

Heep also, resistance leader wants to

press their advantage as all wind says.

709

: 00:31:59

They must let the hostages go.

710

: 00:32:01

And this is when his daughter collapses?

711

: 00:32:04

Laura: Hmm, yeah, apparently the

antiviral dust Not so good for the lungs.

712

: 00:32:12

Xhafer: take her up to the

Excalibur for their Med Bay.

713

: 00:32:16

Where our doctor, who I'm sure is an

interesting character, will handle

714

: 00:32:20

things, but we don't get to find

out anything more about that person.

715

: 00:32:24

Owen lectures the colonists

with some indignation here.

716

: 00:32:28

He's gonna settle this his way.

717

: 00:32:31

The Excalibur and the Medusa

talk as uh, Galen radios in.

718

: 00:32:37

He's To describe Alwyn's plan here, he

has set himself up in the mine, and he's

719

: 00:32:43

going to use the circular nature of the

mine as a reflection chamber to make a

720

: 00:32:49

beam that is going to destroy the Medusa.

721

: 00:32:52

Laura: Yeah, Gideon in between,

like, we're glossing over,

722

: 00:32:55

Gideon is really trying.

723

: 00:32:57

Like, he's saying like, you've gotta

stop mining this stuff right now,

724

: 00:33:02

it's killing their kids, like Uh,

there needs to be a different solution

725

: 00:33:06

and the Earth Force captain is just

like, no, I'm not going to do that.

726

: 00:33:11

Earth needs this stuff more than these

people's lives are worth, basically.

727

: 00:33:16

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

728

: 00:33:17

Laura: I mean, we don't even know

that this is going to be that

729

: 00:33:20

helpful against the Drak Plague.

730

: 00:33:22

I'm like, that's such a weak argument,

731

: 00:33:25

Xhafer: Agreed.

732

: 00:33:26

I mean, they do say that the mineral has

been showing promise in trials back home.

733

: 00:33:32

That's all we hear of it, though.

734

: 00:33:34

Laura: Yeah, it's so vague.

735

: 00:33:35

Also what's happening to the girl is

very vague, like they're just like,

736

: 00:33:39

oh, you know, you have to adjust

to small quantities of the mineral

737

: 00:33:44

over your whole life and she's been

exposed to too much through the dust

738

: 00:33:48

in the air and now she's dying and

it's like, well, what's happening?

739

: 00:33:52

Are her lungs failing?

740

: 00:33:54

Is it building up in her blood?

741

: 00:33:57

Can we get some more, like, details?

742

: 00:34:00

Otherwise, I just feel like

we're just kind of glossing

743

: 00:34:02

over it and it's not important.

744

: 00:34:05

Xhafer: How does this stuff work?

745

: 00:34:06

Is it replacing her white blood cells?

746

: 00:34:09

Like, is her body, is it

attacking her whole body now?

747

: 00:34:13

Like, just A line.

748

: 00:34:15

A line.

749

: 00:34:15

It's not hard.

750

: 00:34:17

And one of my classic metrics

of how good an episode is.

751

: 00:34:22

So,

752

: 00:34:23

Laura: Yeah.

753

: 00:34:24

Good point.

754

: 00:34:26

Continue.

755

: 00:34:28

Xhafer: So the Excalibur and the Medusa

are talking, the captain in the Medusa

756

: 00:34:31

here begs Gideon to just fucking fire the

lasers down on the surface to kill all

757

: 00:34:37

wind before he can blow up their ship.

758

: 00:34:39

Like you would let

these men and women die.

759

: 00:34:41

And he, at this point, he just seems to

be all like, well, you could just say

760

: 00:34:44

you're gonna move the mine and he'll stop

761

: 00:34:46

Laura: Yeah.

762

: 00:34:48

Sounds like you're going to

let these men and women die.

763

: 00:34:52

Xhafer: Right?

764

: 00:34:53

But, but this is the plan though.

765

: 00:34:55

Obviously, this is the plan.

766

: 00:34:58

Laura: Yeah.

767

: 00:34:58

I have a question.

768

: 00:35:00

Is this the gun that's firing the, like,

gun where we can't move afterwards?

769

: 00:35:08

Or is this just, like, regular guns?

770

: 00:35:10

Xhafer: This is the gun that

you can't move afterwards

771

: 00:35:13

because it comes from the arms.

772

: 00:35:15

When it's the death star and

it's the lasers that become

773

: 00:35:18

the big laser, that's the gun.

774

: 00:35:20

You can't fire afterwards when

it's just the normal guns.

775

: 00:35:24

It's only at the front of the ship.

776

: 00:35:25

Laura: Okay.

777

: 00:35:26

I feel like that should be clearer, like,

778

: 00:35:29

Xhafer: They showed us

that in call the arms when

779

: 00:35:32

Laura: yeah.

780

: 00:35:34

I don't know that it was super

maybe I wasn't watching close enough

781

: 00:35:38

because, you know, we're trying

to take notes at the same time.

782

: 00:35:40

Xhafer: I'm also making excuses

for a terrible TV show, so fuck me.

783

: 00:35:44

Like,

784

: 00:35:45

Laura: no, no, I

785

: 00:35:46

Xhafer: they could also explain it.

786

: 00:35:48

Laura: yeah, I feel like if it

was just one scene versus another

787

: 00:35:52

scene, I easily missed it because

I was making notes, like, if we saw

788

: 00:35:56

the guns fire and they were just

straightforward and then he's like,

789

: 00:36:00

no, more power and now it's Death Star.

790

: 00:36:03

Yeah, I, I totally missed that.

791

: 00:36:04

So I was like, okay, what, happening?

792

: 00:36:07

Like, is this the

793

: 00:36:08

Xhafer: would argue that

you've missed nothing.

794

: 00:36:14

Laura: Indeed.

795

: 00:36:15

Indeed.

796

: 00:36:16

Okay.

797

: 00:36:17

So we've destroyed the mine

at the same time as we've

798

: 00:36:21

Xhafer: Glassed that shit.

799

: 00:36:22

Yeah.

800

: 00:36:23

Laura: Yep.

801

: 00:36:24

So we've got to move the mine now.

802

: 00:36:27

So guess what, dude?

803

: 00:36:29

Like, if you just agreed to

move the mine, same effect here.

804

: 00:36:35

Xhafer: Right?

805

: 00:36:37

Gideon and the barkeep discuss the

colonists are going to help the miners

806

: 00:36:41

find a new location that is safe,

807

: 00:36:43

Laura: Yeah.

808

: 00:36:44

They feel a little guilty.

809

: 00:36:45

Xhafer: as well.

810

: 00:36:46

Laura: Mm hmm.

811

: 00:36:47

Xhafer: And we learn Alwyn

wasn't dead, because of course.

812

: 00:36:52

He waxes philosophical about uh,

kind of like the point of living,

813

: 00:36:57

like entering living memory becoming

legend, living on past your death.

814

: 00:37:04

know,

815

: 00:37:04

Laura: Yeah, and it was like time

to leave these people because they

816

: 00:37:09

specifically said in one of their heated

moments, like, we don't need reason.

817

: 00:37:15

We have this guy, and he's

like, no, they're abandoning

818

: 00:37:21

reason because of my power.

819

: 00:37:23

So it's time for me to go.

820

: 00:37:26

Xhafer: Yep.

821

: 00:37:27

Laura: that was a really powerful

message, actually, within this.

822

: 00:37:31

episode.

823

: 00:37:32

Xhafer: I would

824

: 00:37:33

Laura: Uh, because I definitely feel

like people around me have abandoned

825

: 00:37:37

reason because of the power they

think they have from their religion

826

: 00:37:42

and then the power that they have

actually from the systems around them.

827

: 00:37:46

And it's like, I would like

a little more reason, please.

828

: 00:37:51

Somebody, anybody.

829

: 00:37:53

Xhafer: Please.

830

: 00:37:55

Please.

831

: 00:37:55

Fuck.

832

: 00:37:56

We just had to watch those

two old fucks debate.

833

: 00:37:59

Laura: I didn't watch it.

834

: 00:38:01

I couldn't do it, man.

835

: 00:38:03

Xhafer: Oh, it's so bad.

836

: 00:38:06

Laura: yeah,

837

: 00:38:07

yeah,

838

: 00:38:07

What are we doing, guys?

839

: 00:38:09

What are we doing?

840

: 00:38:11

Xhafer: I saw a TikTok the other

day that has made me laugh more than

841

: 00:38:15

anything else in the last several weeks.

842

: 00:38:18

Laura: Uh Huh.

843

: 00:38:19

Xhafer: And it was a guy in the mirror,

and he's just fucking tired, right?

844

: 00:38:23

He's just so exhausted.

845

: 00:38:24

He's all like, It's happening again.

846

: 00:38:27

Somehow, we have to choose

between these two fucks.

847

: 00:38:32

Again.

848

: 00:38:33

It's like we're cursed.

849

: 00:38:35

It's like we built this country on

an ancient Indian burial ground.

850

: 00:38:38

Laura: Oh.

851

: 00:38:39

Hmm.

852

: 00:38:40

Hmm.

853

: 00:38:43

Xhafer: Oh fuck!

854

: 00:38:48

Anyways, the show.

855

: 00:38:49

I hope you're here for

anything but Crusade Pod.

856

: 00:38:55

Yeah,

857

: 00:39:02

Laura: in the forest.

858

: 00:39:03

We've gotta leave.

859

: 00:39:04

Uh, Alwyn's gonna get

back on the long road.

860

: 00:39:12

Xhafer: I am kind of sick.

861

: 00:39:12

So, originally, listener Ben was

going to join us for this episode.

862

: 00:39:16

And when Well, that's the only

reason he wanted this episode.

863

: 00:39:21

He has never seen Crusade.

864

: 00:39:22

And so he's all like, oh,

what are the episode titles?

865

: 00:39:25

Oh, that one, I can make a

Star Trek Enterprise joke.

866

: 00:39:28

Give me that one.

867

: 00:39:29

Literally what he said to me.

868

: 00:39:31

And I think he actually would

have really enjoyed talking

869

: 00:39:34

shit about this episode with us.

870

: 00:39:36

Laura: Oh, yeah.

871

: 00:39:36

Xhafer: This

872

: 00:39:37

has been a bit of a very coded episode.

873

: 00:39:39

Laura: yeah, it leans hard into that,

like, medieval fantasy stuff, which

874

: 00:39:44

I, I love the, the fantasy part of Babylon

5, like, you know, a lot of sci fi is

875

: 00:39:49

just grounded in hard science, right?

876

: 00:39:52

But in Babylon 5, there's some

fantastical, some mysterious, unexplained,

877

: 00:39:57

you know, science indistinguishable from

magic, like the technomages and then the

878

: 00:40:02

first ones and whatever.

879

: 00:40:03

And I like that.

880

: 00:40:04

I think the show is trying to lean

into it and it's not doing it.

881

: 00:40:09

Xhafer: Yeah.

882

: 00:40:10

It's trying.

883

: 00:40:10

It's trying real hard.

884

: 00:40:13

It's trying so hard that it's time

to rate this episode on a scale

885

: 00:40:17

of one to four main guns fired.

886

: 00:40:20

Laura: Okay.

887

: 00:40:21

Well.

888

: 00:40:22

You've already alluded to your scale about

dialogue, so let's go ahead and get your

889

: 00:40:28

Xhafer: Yeah, fair enough.

890

: 00:40:30

Um, as I have stated countless times

over the course of this podcast, if

891

: 00:40:37

I feel like I could make the episode

better with one line of dialogue,

892

: 00:40:42

To fix a thing with the plot.

893

: 00:40:44

To just explain just a little

bit more than was explained.

894

: 00:40:48

That drops it a whole rating for me.

895

: 00:40:51

Laura: Yeah.

896

: 00:40:52

Xhafer: That said, This

episode was stupid fun.

897

: 00:40:57

I really, I really actually genuinely

enjoyed this episode of Crusade.

898

: 00:41:01

Laura: Okay.

899

: 00:41:02

Xhafer: not good.

900

: 00:41:03

Laura: Uh Huh.

901

: 00:41:04

Xhafer: But it was fun.

902

: 00:41:05

It's fun in the way that

you watch a B movie.

903

: 00:41:08

and of everything we've seen between the

other episode and Call to Arms so far,

904

: 00:41:14

that moment with Galen and Alwyn talking

about stuff calmly while shit was going

905

: 00:41:18

everywhere felt very trademark B5 to

906

: 00:41:22

me.

907

: 00:41:23

Laura: Yeah.

908

: 00:41:24

That was a good moment.

909

: 00:41:25

Xhafer: And so I would probably start

this episode at a three out of four guns.

910

: 00:41:32

Laura: Mm hmm.

911

: 00:41:33

Xhafer: And after my

point reduction penalty.

912

: 00:41:37

I'm gonna say it's two

out of four main guns.

913

: 00:41:42

Laura: Okay, okay, I like that because

we're a little bit flip flopped on this

914

: 00:41:46

one and I'm not sure how it happened but

915

: 00:41:48

Xhafer: you hate this?

916

: 00:41:49

Laura: I didn't hate it.

917

: 00:41:50

That's too strong.

918

: 00:41:52

This one I felt much more, I felt very

indifferent to it, um, We were having

919

: 00:41:59

trouble staying awake during this one, and

immediately afterwards, I needed a nap.

920

: 00:42:05

Like, we finished this episode,

and then I took an hour nap.

921

: 00:42:12

Uh, So, I think I'm gonna give this

one main guns for one hour nap.

922

: 00:42:17

Oh,

923

: 00:42:21

Xhafer: week, we're skipping

ahead to episode eight

924

: 00:42:26

appearances and other deceits.

925

: 00:42:33

What a JMS fucking episode title.

926

: 00:42:35

Laura: yeah.

927

: 00:42:36

That's true.

928

: 00:42:37

That's classic, too.

929

: 00:42:39

Oh,

930

: 00:42:41

Xhafer: consciousness that

takes over the Excalibur's crew.

931

: 00:42:50

This also, from that description,

sounds like a good episode.

932

: 00:42:57

How will Crusade disappoint me this time?

933

: 00:43:00

Laura: It sounds like a very

TNG episode, doesn't it?

934

: 00:43:04

Xhafer: It does.

935

: 00:43:04

Laura: I'm sure we've done this

in Star Trek several times.

936

: 00:43:08

Xhafer: Yeah, most assuredly.

937

: 00:43:10

Laura: Every season.

938

: 00:43:11

I can picture this in TNG, Deep

Space Nine, and Voyager, and I'm

939

: 00:43:15

sure someone in the Discord can give

me the exact episodes, but yeah.

940

: 00:43:18

Yeah.

941

: 00:43:21

Xhafer: in that field house for sure.

942

: 00:43:24

You know what else is in our field house?

943

: 00:43:26

Saying thank you.

944

: 00:43:28

Thank you Jeremy Siegel

for our lovely theme music.

945

: 00:43:30

You can find more of Jeremy's

work at jeremysiegel42.

946

: 00:43:33

bandcamp.

947

: 00:43:34

com and on your favorite streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

948

: 00:43:38

Laura: Yeah, and thank you

to Angry Duck Time Machine on

949

: 00:43:40

Instagram for our podcast artwork.

950

: 00:43:42

Xhafer: Aaron!

951

: 00:43:44

This is probably actually the

softball we're throwing here.

952

: 00:43:48

Laura: Yeah, yeah, this

one's a little better.

953

: 00:43:50

And

954

: 00:43:53

Xhafer: your contribution.

955

: 00:43:54

Laura: to you, the listener, for

being here on this crusade with us.

956

: 00:43:58

Ah, why didn't I say that last time?

957

: 00:44:00

God damn it.

958

: 00:44:02

Yeah,

959

: 00:44:04

Xhafer: Remember it for next up.

960

: 00:44:07

Laura: If you want to talk about

any thoughts you have on Crusade,

961

: 00:44:11

you can join us in the Discord or

send those to whoareyoub5 at gmail.

962

: 00:44:15

com.

963

: 00:44:16

We would love to hear from you.

964

: 00:44:18

Xhafer: And we'll see

you next week, internet.

965

: 00:44:20

Laura: Bye.

966

: 00:44:21

Xhafer: Bye.